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You can call in toll-free in the continental U.S. and Canada 888-627-6008 and you will get right to the switchboard and you first come first serve I can't guarantee you get through if you get through you get a chance to speak to today's guest today's guest we have a psychologist who works with forensics and all kinds of great stuff and he's an expert in child abuse and neglect etc I'd like to welcome to the show can you lean over a bit so I can see you this black spot um yeah just like um I'm welcome dr robert riddle out of chicago illinois welcome doctor how are you I'm doing great yeah it's it's great to be here uh like you said this is my my specialty but um this is something that I see day in and day out and um I'm excited to help just educate people. And that is a big, big thing. And you know what? It's funny you should say that because we do a lot of controversial episodes. And this is going to be one. I'm going to do it this way. But we talk about the lack of the education system. So they're definitely not being educated on children. So let me go into the monologue of the show. Then you will know why Dr. Robert Riddle is here. So opening monologue, child abuse is a profound, tragic issue that affects far too many children across the board. Now, there are some tendencies with numbers, with ethnicities and et cetera, but it pretty much goes across the board. In my book, and I'm sure you'll agree with me, Dr. Riddle, one child is too many child. Absolutely. No child should suffer any pain other than falling off their bike or whatever, right? I believe, for my bots and trolls, by the way, I like when you bot and troll me because you actually raise my numbers, so I don't care what you say on social media. Reported about 380,000 cases have been brought to light in the past year. Now, putting my lawyer hat on and your doctor hat, forensics, that's a lot of cases. And I know, as a lawyer, I know how many cases, it's like a funnel. How many cases, one at the bottom of the funnel is what goes to court. It's the same thing. So you're talking probably millions of children are being abused and neglected. We're going to get into your stories at the moment. I'm very excited, and we've got callers calling in already, I understand. So what is great about this show is that we're going to bring to light not just the numbers, but we're going to discuss all the different types of abuse because some people think certain things are abuse. And there are legal definitions that make it a little different. So that's kind of good because I can explain what defines child abuse based on what state you live in. I happen to know a couple of them. So Dr. Riddle, where do you mainly practice at? I know you consult on a lot of cases. And actually, you and I worked on a case together. You just didn't know that I was working on a homicide. Yeah. Yeah, so I normally practice out of the state of North Carolina. I've practiced in Chicago and Denver. Chicago? Are you an Al Capone fan? You better be. I'm playing with you. I'm playing with you. You can say that. It's a riddle, Dr. Riddle. Did you get made fun of in school with that? I have taken the Al Capone tour. Hey, I got one for you. We got to keep it light. Do you know why a gentleman, a chivalrous gentleman, walks with a lady in his arm and he puts the lady to the wall of the buildings and not on the street? I bet you don't know why. I do not. I've heard that that's a rule, but I don't know why. I believe you do think there is another rule. What is that rule you're thinking? you don't know because it's okay I don't yeah well folks so now he's going to tell you right here I'm pulling the curtain back and I'm exposing the truth on an old school chivalry thing so in the 1920s there are the roaring 20s prohibition out the phone you know a lot of things with alcohol um so the man would walk with his woman on the side of the buildings not for any water or dirt, but for machine gun fire, when somebody came by shooting at a bar that was selling illegal liquor. A little pun fact for you, bring that back to Chicago. We'll go to Capone's Pizza. The drive-by shooting. Well, the Tommy Guns. Yeah. So, back to the monologue, folks. So, the impact on these victims really is deep and really more than long lasting. They're life-lasting, right? I mean... People have gone through, we got, on future interviews, I need to have you here. Because I can't make eye contact with you. Let me see the hair here. Do I get a better, I want to, I like to make contact. And I have to look at that. Okay, so, yeah, the impact, though, tell me your experience. It's like the hidden children, right? So, what are, like, some underlying signs that you see forensically? And otherwise, what do you see that is, What is it that you see, you know, is a sign that maybe a mandated reporter or somebody might like a really hidden sign? Basics, simple. Yeah. So things that most people don't know signs of signs of child abuse could be anything from bedwetting, bruises. Now, here's the question of bedwetting, because I worked on these cases. Right. I did multiple years specifically assigned to the special victim section, so I did these cases. And bedwetting was reported a lot, but children bedwet too. So how does a parent out there, how do our listeners and viewers, how do they distinguish between this is a problem going on somewhere or it's another biological problem? Yeah, so I think there's two factors to consider there. One would be the age of the child. For instance, if you have a two-year-old child that's potty training that wets the bed, that would be one thing. If you have an 11-year-old child that's still wetting the bed, that's a good sign that there's some sort of abuse going on. And I remember I used to get a lot of fire centers. Yeah. like they get that like in cutters too yes absolutely and the the thing with child abuse is it's never just one symptom so like bedwetting could be one thing but everybody reacts yeah if you see a delayed socio-emotional development avoidance of certain people especially family members at what age do the children have avoidance issues It depends on the age at which the abuse takes place. You've got a lot of cases. Yeah. You have a great profile. So, as always, folks, I provide you a relevant, famous quote, and I tell you who the person is. So today's quote, Children are the hands by which we take hold of heaven. Children are the hands by which we take hold of heaven. Henry Ward Beecher. This quote reminds us of how precious and the innocence of our children and the important responsibility on each one of us to protect them. They are tomorrow. There's your quote. What did you think? Good quote? What would you quote? I think it's a great quote, yeah. I mean, the children are the future of our country, the future of our world. And we're having so many problems. yeah it's it's about time that someone stood up and protected them um out of the as eric mentioned earlier out of the multi hundreds of thousands of cases just in the u.s per year of child abuse not to mention human trafficking all around the world I got stories on that um about one percent actually end up going to I say that here yeah it will uh less less than one percent actually make it to trial yep and The child is supposed to be appointed their own attorney, guardian, and lie to them. But I know that doesn't happen a lot. Rarely. So who's truly representing the child? You've got a contentious husband and a contentious wife fighting over a divorce, and the child gets stuck in the middle. So who's representing them? The child is being abused, maybe, or neglected. What is your clinical forensic definition between abuse and neglect? And then I'll give you the legal. Yeah. So from a clinical perspective, um, abuse is a very intentional act. That's something, um, when you think about the words active and passive, I like that. Um, I'm going to spend that into legal. Yeah. Neglect is, is very passive. That's, that's a person that just doesn't care and, and isn't around. So now I'm going to spend that for you. Right. I'm going to put the lawyer hat back on. So in the legal world, to prosecute a case, you have to have an act, the act that sprays, the act of the crime. But also, a crime is defined by an act or an omission. That's why you can get neglect. So the act is hurting them, and the omission is what you were supposed to do that you didn't do. That's how we can prosecute. So we are alive here. It's actually a very similar concept. And it requires forethought. You know, you're thinking about it, but I think a problem, honestly, and I've written several columns and I'm published in multiple places and I have slammed some of these child protective agencies, specifically North Carolina. DSS is just a terrible agency. Firstly, here's the problem with DSS in the state of North Carolina. Unlike most states that operate normal, I don't know what goes on in North Carolina. That's a whole episode for another day, but They have what they call DSS, and that is run by each county. So there's no state mandation going on. So if your case is opened up on you, then the county DSS workers, because they don't even go to investigation school, from which, by the way, I wrote and was the first professor in that program in New Jersey to talk about. And the curriculum is pretty tough. They don't have much of that stuff. They have some training, but whatever. But then, but if you are the offender parent, right, then you, if you move out of county, literally from one county to the next, they have to send the file to the next county. And what happens if the next county doesn't want the file? They refuse the case. And the case is over because they don't have jurisdiction to come over and do it. You know, that's a, that's a serious situation. I know a state that I'm very familiar with, the great state of New Jersey, outstanding New Jersey. Shout out to Angelo. Hey, Frankie, I'll see you in a day. I missed the pizza, really. You got to come up here. Anyway, so in Jersey, it is a state agency. overrun by the Attorney General's Office, which is the investigative law enforcement body, like the state police, but the investigative body. And they implant the investigators into that program, and it's a state-wide. So they go anywhere interstate. And there is an interstate compact clause. So they do work together with other states, but if you have problems transferring within your own county, do you think it's really going to get to the state that they went to? I mean, we know what happens when government tries to help. We were talking about this on set before. What was the quote you said? The Reagan quote? It was a great quote. I love that quote. Yeah, Ronald Reagan talked about just being very wary when someone from the government shows up. I'm here to help. Yeah, I'm from the government. I'm from the government. I'm here to help. You know what that means? You're SOL. I don't want to get another FCC violation, but you know what you do on the toilet bowl? You're out of luck. Because it's over. But that was a very good quote, actually. So the other problem, too, in the legal side, the prosecutorial side, where we need a lot more people like you doing this stuff, is it is a very hard case to prosecute. Because you have to, A, interview the child, which is an additional specialized training I had to do. And I had to work with the anatomical dolls. Folks, an anatomical doll is like a teddy bear. Is this Bianca Lee's teddy? No teddy. You figured there'd be a teddy bear. Well, anyway, it's a teddy bear, but it has adult sexual organs. Everything into, you know, so then you can express that. But you know what, folks? 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So very, very well educated and excellent litigator. If you have to go to trial, You want him on your side, hands down, hands down. You heard him, he speaks so eloquently, but he goes into the courtroom and he's a ferocious animal for his twine. If you reach out to the Rambrim Law Firm, we'll be providing a promo code and there's some opportunities that we have going on there. Is it going to be a member and an app coming out if you get pulled over? Coming out along with my book when it gets released. So segueing back into where we were, actually the Ram Ram law firm does a lot of child cases. He actually volunteered to do guardian in light of stuff because they didn't have anybody. Would you like to take a call? I'd love to take a call, yeah. Yeah, we got a whole bunch of callers. We might as well get a live caller in. Let's hear some questions. Yeah, tell me. Okay, let's go to a caller. Let's go to Lexi out of Chicago. Welcome, Lexi. Hi. Hi, can you lean into your phone or whatever you're using a little bit louder? Is this better? Much better. Lexi, welcome to the show. Welcome to the show. I've been watching the show for a long time and I just had a question regarding your topic of today. Absolutely. Fire away. What are the long-term effects of child abuse? On a legal level, I'll give you that standpoint and then we'll go to Dr. Riddle. And I think we're going to align on this one. One of them is fire setting because that becomes problematic for the community. That, I think, is very poignant, because now every little boy plays with matches. They lie and say they don't, but I lit everything on fire I could find. And then I joined the fire department, and then I decided to put them out there. But I wasn't, that was like a normal voice thing, so it's very hard to tell. But you're talking people that light everything on fire, Lexi, like literally playing with matches all the time, that's something to really be alarming. It is a problem for the community, and it will become a problem for the child as they mature into adulthood, aging out of minorhood, if they do that, that is a heavy felony, heavy. We're not talking a stupid, low-level felony. We're talking something that could be life-changing. Also, they tend to have situations where they become easily date raped and molested because they put themselves in the same situation that they were in previously, hanging out with the doctor and shaking his hand. I knew we would rely on this. So I see on the investigative legal side, they literally rush to somebody that's similar to the victim, to the offender. Kind of like they say, you know the thing where they say men try to find a woman to marry that is similar to their mom? I don't know why, but if you believe Freud, they should see your beard, by the way. But what was your specific? Was there something specific you want to know? I mean, nobody knows anything more than your first name and where you are. No, I don't think so. What would you like to add into that now? A clinical one. Yeah. So from a from a clinical perspective, speaking of Freud. They don't call him the father of psychology for nothing. He spoke all about the effects of abuse on children. So did many other psychologists. Yeah, I think Eric Erickson did too. Yes, sir. Yep. Children who have a hierarchy of needs. He did. Yep. I get you there, man. I got the law and it's like, Oh, it's those guys. Children who have experienced abuse or neglect or at an increased risk for a number of problematic developmental health, mental outcomes. um this could include learning problems like oh I didn't think of that yeah yeah learn learning problems like richard smith's diagnosis adhd right well and they're showing similar stuff right it could turn into adhd it could create it yeah I've heard that I haven't I've seen it but I don't know I don't know how I feel about Um, it could also include problems relating to peers, um, like peer rejection, um, internalizing symptoms that could look like depression or anxiety, um, external symptoms like holding in now more like oppositional defiance disorder that a conduct disorder, um, increased address aggression, um, even PTSD. I got an input on here. I'll cut you off. I really do not like PTSD. Here's the fact. It's PTSS, post-traumatic stress syndrome, because you're not broken and it's not a disorder. You aren't born that way. You either served your country or something and got it, or somebody did something to you to create it. I mean, you just don't have those kind of things going on. So I just don't think it's not right to label somebody with a disorder. It's just people look down on them, and they shouldn't. Yeah, it can be controversial, especially with children. As adults, so I think the original question was what were the long-term effects. Yeah, feel free to jump in, Lexi. We didn't catch you from the call. If you want to ask more, keep going. You're still on. As adults, these children that were abused Um, they show an extremely increased risk for psychiatric disorders. Um, uh, PTSD, um, can be also a substance use disorder. Um, yeah, if you were, if you were abused as a child, especially sexually, you're at a, about a 60% increase. So let me ask you a question. I know, I know that it's not in your answer, but it's going to be relevant. And I want your opinion with. that advancement of technology social media and internet pornography so available is this are you seeing in your world and uptake and stuff yeah absolutely children are becoming hypersexualized yeah which could be us looking like a symptom of abuse but you're just learning it from youtube um In 1980, the average age that a young boy would see pornography for the first time, and we're talking about... yeah the the average age would be uh about 12 to 14 years old to see a porno man yeah and it was usually found in a dumpster behind them somewhere to be found yeah or under that under dad's car seat these poor kids today they don't know they don't know how good they have it it's eight years old now so the the average boy sees pornography by the age of eight um and so You know, by the time they get to 15 or 16 years old, they're hypersexualized and there's an increased risk for them raping someone, molesting someone. And I want to add a real problem is that I want you, I think you're going to segue with this on me, but I had a case. I can't say names, but the parents were literally nudists in the house. Right. And. The child was now like 12. This was problematic. I pushed for charges and the higher up told me no. And I put several attempts to charge the family. But at 12 years old, the child was walking around naked in the house too. I mean, come on. Not on this show, not in my house. Yeah, there are so many things. You know, going back to Freud, there are so many things that he said. Let me just say thank you for the call, Lexi. She's off the line. We appreciate your support. Pass out the word. Make sure you take the phone number off there and call in again. We'd love to hear from you. Thank you for calling, Lexi. Yeah, so going back to Freud, There were a lot of things that Sigmund Freud said that were wrong just because he was in the late 1800s, early 1900s. Psychology really hadn't been... Which is the one with the drilling in the forehead, right? Yeah. What's that word again? I've been up in where they drove the whole they let the demons out of your brain. Yeah, I can't bother me. And they had another name, right? He wasn't the he was he the practitioner on that idea? No, that was beforehand. Okay. What was his stance? So he was really one of the first ones to go away from the lobotomies and away from the, you know, terrible psych wards where they literally took part of your brain out. Yeah, they literally took the frontal lobe, which is your emotions. So yeah, they thought it was helping them. You're taking out the section of your brain, folks. The frontal lobe of your brain is the section of your brain that actually helps you decide your emotions and how you're going to respond to something. And there's different sections of your brain actually provide different things. You know, I don't want to go down a seahole. By the way, a seahole is a synonymy. Because I can talk forever. I know you can't because we hung out before the show. I absolutely know what a CEO is. We're not going to fall into a riddle in hell either. So, Freud said something that is very interesting. He said that humans were motivated by two things, sex or aggression. And, you know, a lot of people hear that today and they're like, well, that's not That's not true. That's not right. I don't buy that because you know what? Darwin is still legit. I mean, some things have changed, clearly. Think about this, everyone that's listening. When's the last time that you saw a movie without anything sexual or anything aggressive? And you know what? When they started this crap with PG-13 and this nonsense, when I was younger, I could not go to an R-rated movie. They literally made sure you didn't go in. Now you can freaking download it at home. I mean, and YouTube, what's funny is because we're a syndicated TV talk radio talk show. We can't really be on YouTube until after the show's here, but they don't, I don't work. They don't like my algorithms because I tell the truth, but they'll put a, but I put it on and I look at the garbage and these kids looking, I watched baby Einstein and some other things. People, you have to pay attention to what you let your children want. Now there's a fine line. between having your child become technologically up to speed and maybe more advanced, because you don't want your child to be antiquated. They need to be up to date. But you have to truly look at, mark this down, production. Let me reach out for a sponsor from one of those programs that do an app for the iPhones, et cetera. Mark that down, please. That's a good promo to do. Um, but anyway, like you can, you should control the time and can control what can be picked up on it. Do you want them to learn? I mean, I have a whole other issue with North Carolina because it's off topic, but I got to do it because we talk well here. North Carolina has some stupid law now that pornography is not legal here. Right. What were you thinking? Um, do I need to send you a copy of the constitution? I believe it's, uh, article one, section one. I don't know, maybe. Something to the extent of freedom of speech and expression. Now, I'm not saying pornography is great or whatever. I'm not promoting. But I am promoting free speech. This is the government overreaching. How many times on this show have I said the government has no right reaching into your bedroom, looking at your stuff, and monitoring you? They have no right. And when they do that, they are committing a 1983 crime. federal civil rights and criminal violations. You need to write that down. 1983 federal, easy to beat the statute of limitations. Lots of ways around. You call the Rambo room law firm and we will get you the right place. You call into the show and we have a referral program as well. Um, I just had to put that out there cause you know, it's constitutional, you know what I mean? Absolutely. Yep. Yep. And you know, in this kind of note, I can segue back to us. Um, There has to be some responsibility of the parent to do this, monitoring and doing it. So things must be so bad that a pretty right-leaning state, who you would think would be much more flexible with the laws and the Constitution, yeah, they look down a little bit more with the Bible stuff and... pornography, but they're about free speech. So things must be really bad that they are actually doing it for the parents. At what point, then, are the parents even going to do anything? You know you have to go through how long you get a driver's license. But you can have a baby for nothing. Literally. No training. Tomorrow you get pregnant, have a baby. Whatever you want. Name anything you want. Do whatever you want. Until DSS shows up and you have to finish the night. Because they do anything. Back to the folks out there. I want to let you know something that you know when you talk to a law enforcement officer, whether in uniform or not, they identify themselves as a member of law enforcement. You have your Miranda rights, your right to remain silent, your right to an attorney, your right to not speak, to have counsel, all that stuff. And a speedy trial. You don't need that at the moment. I didn't want to go all the way because I would have fell into a seahole and went all the way to... And I would have got into the 14th amendment. I love the 14th amendment. I used it on a reason. 14th amendment folks is due process. It's a great clause. I love it. It's a great way to beat a stupid judge. So anyway, so, um, with that being said, what's really going on that they have to do that and come in and literally self-sensitive. It doesn't make sense. I mean, are you, are you, are you having hearing anything in your world about that? Um, Yeah, quite honestly, there's not a whole lot of legal stuff that I hear in my world. I just meant like the pornography. Yeah, in terms of pornography, a lot of the children that come in and have been abused, at least in my office and in my experience with observing other people and reading case files and that sort of thing. Are your case files super, super thick? That they can be like hundreds of pages. Yeah, they can be sometimes I had a case that had like, like four folders. Yeah, sometimes it'll take you two or three days to read. Yeah, these kids are being exposed super young. It's really a tragedy, because that, you know, I mean, you, you can't even the tragedy. Yeah, you can't even serve in the military. uh you know until you're a certain age you can't buy tobacco unless you're 21. being a military guy myself um I always never understood why we could do all the stuff right even on the base at least on base we should have been there but then they raised the cigarettes up too I don't understand but even you know as an eight-year-old like you can watch pornography they don't even know what they're doing so then they then you're I'm sure the pregnancy rates are going up too Oh, exactly. Yeah. Oh, it deeply scars children. And that's what I want to get to next. Ask me about repressed memory. Right. Because what are some of the coping mechanisms that you have experienced in your clinical experience and investigative stuff? What is yours? It's called like, what's your assessment? What is it? CCA. And then what's the forensic pieces like other stuff? Oh, yeah. You've done work with sex trafficking stuff too, haven't you? I believe I've seen you around an alphabet agency once or twice. Do you have any experience in that world? I may have. I thought we had mutual friends. Nice to see you, buddy. I've heard the same about you. I'm sure you have. My bots and trolls like to put it out. But, you know, it's good, though. I won't ask you to talk about anything like that, but, I mean, there is stuff. I mean, we did a whole episode on... Did you see the movie Sound of Freedom? I sure did. I bought a whole bunch of tickets, and I gave them out on the show. It was great. And there's a new one coming out. And this show is going to be involved in next year's. Which I don't want to tell you on air what the title of next year's show is. But it's good. You might be able to. So, when they have repressed members, Are you using like biofeedback or hypnotism or anything to work with that? Like, what do you do? Yeah, so there's, there's a few ways to work with that. I would say three, and I'll list them in order here of the effectiveness in terms of like research. The most effective method here would be something called EMDR. What is that? I remember that. They change the terms all the time. What does that stand for? Yeah, so it essentially tricks your brain into thinking that you're asleep. If you think about repressed memories, they're in your unconscious brain. And now, you know, you opened the whole segue here. Right. So I think we're going to take a hard break right now. Thought about turning your spare change into serious investments. Let me introduce you to Acorns. This app makes investing as simple as one easy swipe of your credit or debit card. With Acorns, every purchase you make rounds up and invest the difference. Watch your future grow one swipe at a time. Start small, dream big. 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Yes, sir. So EMDR would be the most effective therapy for... What does that stand for for the folks out there? It stands for eye movement desensitization and reprocessing therapy. Oh, okay. Yeah, like REM. Like REM sleeping, rapid eye movement. Exactly. Yes. So if you think about unconscious memories or repressed memories, same thing. Think about the one time of day you're unconscious, and that would be when you're asleep. EMDR tricks your brain into thinking that you're asleep using bilateral stimulation. Oh, this is like the 427 frequencies and stuff we were talking about. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So it tricks you. This is something nobody should mess with alone. Correct. Yes. You need someone that's certified in EMDR. And you are. Yes. Yep. Good to know. We're going to put all his information, folks, in the description, bio and everything. You can get more information later. Okay, go on. Yeah, so EMDR tricks your brain into thinking that you're asleep. I once saw a case where there was a person that was about 60 years old. He remembered being sexually abused as a child at about five years old. He had repressed that. for 55 years never came back to him this trend this particular style of training did it yes yep yeah emdr did the trick everything came back and you might think well you know, I don't want to remember that. How long does it take to do the EMDR? I just want the folks to better understand it because you're getting really good and I want them to know what it is because maybe somebody needs help. Sure. Yeah. So, so the one thing about EMDR is when it works and it doesn't work for everyone. You have to really want it to work. It's, it depends on the person. It depends on what you've gone through. Um, when it works it works but we can say on on air I tried it out with with the doctor doctor yeah because I i had I i did little uh academic writing in college on biofeedback and stuff so it does work so this was one you had me doing it like that yes sir so basically for the folks that are watching tv describe me so that they can see me doing what it is don't do this at home this is what you do with a licensed professional but we're trying to explain what it is They take both hands, right? Yeah. So bilateral stimulation, essentially when you're in REM sleep, when you're dreaming, your eyes move back and forth and you can't feel this because you're asleep. um but bilateral stimulation means each side of the body one at a time so you can tap on your knees you can cross your arms yeah my eyes close yep and like within like like two minutes I came up with things I hadn't thought of in like years yeah you can really you can work you can I don't know if I wanted to know those things but you you can cross your arms and tap on his shoulder yep which one is more effective with children um most EMDR therapists actually use buzzers that you hold in each hand and one will buzz in your right hand it'll buzz in your left hand it's very rhythmic and it literally tricks your brain into thinking that you're asleep and so all of those unconscious memories start to come back up and again you may think this is not something that I want to remember But here's the thing about that. This is the important part, folks. This is the key right here to the whole show. Here's the thing about that. People think they don't want to know. Right, yeah. Tell them why they need to know. Here's the thing is your brain, like if I said the word elephant right now, you probably just thought of an elephant. You probably just pictured an elephant in your brain. A big pink one in the middle of the room, of course, yeah. and make your bank voter with money you weren't consciously thinking about that but your brain remembered it enough to be able to pull it back into your conscious brain this is similar to people who have heightened sense of smell it is you smell fragrance or something and you're like boom it brings you to a new place it is it is yeah and so this is like forcing it there Right. And so let's say you were, you know, physically, sexually, emotionally abused as a child. You may not actively, consciously remember that. But your brain remembers that. And it still affects you. I didn't mean to cut you off, but that's kind of what we said before, right? They go to find the same people. Right. Because of the subconscious. Yes. It still consciously affects you. And so the only way to actually deal with that is to pull it back into your conscious brain. So let me ask you a question, because when I did it for practice, for fun, you know, it wasn't serious stuff, but I didn't want to think about things, you know, family death and stuff like that. So how do you handle that when something huge popped up during this intensive process? Yeah, so one thing that a trained EMDR therapist should always do is alert you that EMDR, you can accomplish in about two sessions of EMDR what you could in 10 to 12 sessions of normal therapy. Right. It can be very intense and things can come up that again, like the guy who'd repressed something for, you know, 55 years. Um, when those types of things come up, it can be very intense. And so normally do the fight. Yeah. Kind of like my world. You won't get the devil, the devil. what I didn't want to say. Right. Because I'd be censored for saying both. Yeah. But essentially that's what it is, right? You brought the demon out. Yep. The demon's here. And now you have to confront it. Yeah. And the only way the demon's going to be there either way is the thing. It's never going to go away. It's never going to go away as long as it's in your unconscious. And so the only way to actually defeat that and deal with it is to bring it back into the conscious and And maybe you cry for three sessions in a row. And you have an absolute, you know, like breakdown for a few sessions. But it's a good thing for Christ, right? I mean, it's a good thing. Oh, yeah, absolutely. And so, you know, once you once you bring that back into your conscious brain, you're actually able to deal with it. And even confront the person that did that. whether it was physical, sexual, emotional abuse. As an adult. Yeah. And, you know, legally, they changed the laws in some places because generally how it worked, that there was a statute of limitations on misdemeanor, five years, three years, depending on the state, 10 years for a felony, et cetera. But then with children who were sexually assaulted, the statute of limitations, they were already over 18, so they couldn't report. Yep. So, The timeline starts at age 18. So, folks, if you're an offender, don't be one because you'd be a jerk, and then I'll come looking for you. But for real, the timeline of the statute of limitations for the government to prosecute you is 10 years from the age of maturity, aging at 18, which is good enough for you guys because people disclose, and they're like, yeah, my father, and it's 19 years old. Bingo. We'll get together. And speaking of fathers, this is something worth mentioning. You want to be very careful if there are any school teachers, you know, daycare workers, anyone like that nannies and nanny cam all the way. Yeah, you start to experience that, hey, maybe this kid's wedding to bed, he has emotional development problems. He's uh you know every time his dad comes in the house he recoils um if you're experiencing that be very careful like it's kind of like when a child flinches when they get too close you move and they flinch right it's like something that would be like oh yeah why are you punching that's your sign of defense be very careful how you report that um I'm with you on this one because it it opens up a can of worms for people yeah but because let's say you're a school teacher and you see signs of sexual abuse And, you know, dad comes to pick the child up and you say, hey, I think your child's being sexually abused or physically abused, whatever it might be. He goes off the radar screen forever. Yeah, he could be gone forever. North Carolina is really bad because it's only by county. Right. Yeah. So you never know if it's the dad. An uncle, a grandfather. Isn't that disgusting? The grandfather just really nauseates me. I mean, it all nauseates me. Like, literally. Grandpa. You know what else I want to segue into with what you were just saying? Is I don't really like mandatory reporting. I think you should not be required to report because there is some discretion. It's the same in the legal field. You have what they call prosecutorial discretion. So you can, like, what are you going to prosecute? What are you not? Mandatory reporting, everybody's dumping it into the system. There's two reasons I see on why that doesn't work with the system. Number one, you're bogged down with too many cases. So then they start throwing cases out that just seem stupid. Like the neighbor that calls because they hate the person, right? Those calls. And then the people that actually are affected are not being seen because they're going out on stupid cases. What's your opinion? What say you, Duncan? Yeah. Mandating reporting can be... I just realized we have our own Frazier Crane right now. You got that astute going on here. One of my favorite shows growing up. I loved him too. He's back, you know. Maybe Frazier will call him. Yeah, I hope so. Maybe we can get a spin-off show for you. The... Yeah, mandated reporting can be tricky. You kind of have to judge it from a psychology, from a counseling perspective on how to break that down. Yeah. So you have to judge how severe it is. Give us an example to explain. So a child that comes in that has ADD and possibly odd which is oppositional defiance disorder um they were not necessarily sexually abused it's possible because those are are symptoms of it right but you know it let's say they're oppositionally defiant and they have a conduct disorder and they're wedding to bed at 12 years old and every time their dad brings them in They don't want the dad to come into session. When you start to combine symptoms like that, you kind of have to judge. I mean, you have to judge. Do they want to talk about that? Yeah. It doesn't mean he's the offender. And one of the guys really in these systems are really unfairly treated. Yeah. in the whole I could go on about family court I have a whole I've been I'm actually appearing on another show about that I should even come on so um I also have to let you know because this is not a podcast we are a live tv radio show we are at uh we've been five minutes left and I want to give you yeah and then I want to get some more information about you on that but you're welcome back for part two if you want to come back tomorrow Absolutely. And that airs on an all separate morning at 9 o'clock. Yeah, I guess one of the things that I would want to share with America as far as child abuse goes is to watch for a multitude of symptoms, whether it's PTSD, depression, anxiety, fear rejection, problems with attention um you know there there are so many signs bedwetting bruises we could spend forever on this I don't want to cut you off because you are so knowledgeable so I'm going to call it now would you like to come back for another show tomorrow absolutely same audience but additional stations and new airing west coast at night yeah oh you got the floor I just thought I didn't want to cut you I felt they'll cut literally yeah and there there's one more thing that america should know um and that's that most of the rape and child abuse cases that are reported are female um but the research the research shows that males are just as susceptible to rape and child abuse especially child abuse and so I was thinking the sex thing because the guy the guy's like yeah I want my teacher they think it's cool right right yeah it's really not cool yeah yeah so anything from child abuse from a father a mother an aunt by the way we had like 150 callers on hold so guys call back tomorrow yeah a teacher um it's all statutory rape if you're not 18 years old let me now explain that and then I'm going to go into a closing monologue um Statutory rape, folks, because there is differences in the jurisdiction from which you reside. So I'm going to speak for New York and New Jersey right now because I'm keenly knowledgeable in those particular states that have a very good system. So statutory rape in the state of New Jersey is when you have sexual relations willingly. They're talking willingly. Anything other than that is straight up rape. Willingly. sexual relations with somebody who is under the age of 16 but they must be less than less than four years difference so basically a 19 year old man or girl may have sex with a 15 year old yeah a 15 year old and um this Oh, yeah, right. Oh, I definitely like that. Say that into the mic real loud. Yeah, the other thing about that is they can't be intoxicated. They have to be able to consent. We were just talking about that, and that's something that comes up. So with the statutory in New Jersey, it's a four-year rule. So bottom line, if you are 15, then you may date a 19-year-old. and your parents have no say in it. Statutory rape. However, there are some caveats. Caveat one, folks. If you are a person of authority over that child, this is the confusion for people. This it is, folks, right here. Pull back that curtain. Give it a real deal. In New Jersey, at least, specifically. If you are a teacher, that doesn't mean that it's statutory rape. But if you are that student's teacher, That is right. Because we had a case with a police officer who was a cop in the neighboring town. And he met a girl down in Jersey Shore, my favorite place. And he started dating her and it went bad. And he was up. He was she was in high school and he was got no charge because he did not have power over. He met her on the beach and it was consensual. Had he been a cop in school resource officer in her school, it would be that sort of thing. 13 in New Jersey is always illegal. Always that story. You cannot consent to 13. Be very careful. Don't be stupid. It's really not worth it, folks. Now, New York is a little bit different, but we're coming to a hard close, and I must put a disclaimer on it. Number one, the good doctor here is offering you informational advice. He is not providing therapeutic environment. He's not, maybe not licensed in your jurisdiction because our show is in 54 countries, 2300 FM stations, iHeartRadio, all that. So every location, he may not be licensed. Doesn't mean he couldn't be. Or he couldn't refer you to someone. But I just want to be clear to my bots and trolls. He is here to inform and educate the public in a broad-based manner, not in a therapeutic sense. With that, caveat two. when I'm discussing the constitutionality of an issue and the legal process, I am providing you professorial advice and education, not legal advice, because I too may not have any dealings with your jurisdiction. So sadly, in this current day and age, Doc, we have to put this out there because we get a lot of reports on it. Absolutely. Yeah, way too many. So with that, Doc, I really, really appreciate you coming to the show. I appreciate you having me. And you will be back tomorrow because we have callers and we've been telling them to call back tomorrow. And they're actually taking numbers of some of the people so they actually don't have to wait in line. So if you've waited in line, you will actually get to the front of the line because Thomas took your number. Thank you again, Doc. Give your name out again one more time for the folks. Give it to them. Dr. Fraser Crane. No, I'm kidding. I'm going to call you Fraser. We'll go with Dr. Frasier Crane for now. Dr. Frasier Crane, I'm listening. Anyway, folks, it is the exciting conclusion of another episode of the House Tile Zone. Syndication within our first year. Seven days a week. We're on more than 2,000 stations. Seven days a week. Mondays, two live shows. One at 7 p.m. Eastern. One at 9 p.m. Western. Separate networks. 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