[00:01] Speaker 1: Welcome, everyone. It is Sunday, March 1st, the first day of March, and it is coming in kind of like a lion here in the Berkshires. I am Robin, the co-host. This is the Morgellons-

[00:17] Speaker 2: (ding)

[00:17] Speaker 1: ... Think Tank podcast of the week, and it's followed by the Morgellons Think Tank call of the week. So, we're thrilled to be here with our hosts, Richard Kuhn and Carrianne, and, um, you know, Morgellons is, uh, it's hard to be happy and excited about life when you're struggling with getting your life back.

[00:44] Speaker 2: (ding)

[00:44] Speaker 1: Uh, if you don't have a plan and a community and, and tried and true methods, you might end up being filled with despair and wanting to burn your house down like I just wanted. I didn't do it, but that's what I was starting to think about seriously.

[01:04] Speaker 2: (ding)

[01:04] Speaker 1: And, uh, I'm really glad I didn't, but it was thanks to Richard Kuhns and his book on How to Get Your Life Back from Lyme, Morgellons, and Other Skin Parasites, and now, we're so lucky and blessed to have Carrianne with us as well, who brings her wisdom and insight, and, um, this is a really-

[01:27] Speaker 2: greeting

[01:27] Speaker 1: ... special podcast. You've come to the right place if you're looking for solutions and answers. We have a warm, loving community that wants to help. We have two amazing people who have lots of tried and true solutions and answers. We have Richard Kuhn's book that's like an encyclopedia of what to do, and, and then we have the Q&A section of the call after this podcast, where you can actually ask your questions. So, at this time, I want to welcome Richard Kuhns and Carrianne.

[02:03] Speaker 3: Thank you, Robin. Uh, do you have the ability to mute everybody?

[02:09] Speaker 1: I think so. I think I have to do it one at a time, but I can do it.

[02:15] Speaker 3: Okay. Well, welcome. Let me start off with our federal regulations no one should ever cross. The FDA reminds me to inform you that none of the information that we share here has been evaluated by their experts, uh, that before you start my diet or accept any recommendations we may make is that you consult your doctor to make sure they do not interfere with any health problems you may be presently experiencing. The AMA requires me to inform you that we are not medical doctors. Therefore, we do not diagnose, treat, cure, mitigate or prevent any disease. What we're allowed to do is allowed to educate you, and that's great because this terrible disease, with education, you can get your life back. I've seen it happen hundreds of times. You don't have to wallow in misery. You don't have to die in misery. So, we can educate you how to utilize this amazing diet.

[03:32] Speaker 3: You know, this diet has been around since the late '90s, and hundreds, if not a thousand or more, people have succeeded in getting their lives back, and we have many on this c- program today that can attest to that. Where the doc- the medical profession has done nothing. The best they've done is classify it as delusional parasitosis.

[03:59] Speaker 1: Yes.

[04:01] Speaker 3: And there's nothing delusional about it. May one of them just experience the misery of it for 10 hours alone, and they would change their friggin minds. But nevertheless, we can educate you how to use this amazing diet that can be your lifeline to getting your life back. We can educate you how to clean your environment. Now, Carrianne is with us today. She's the moderator, the administrator, the king of, uh, Morgellons Uncensored group, and there are a lot of members in that group. Uh, nearly, what, 15,000, is it? 13,600, or something?

[04:39] Speaker 4: I think we're at ... 13,600.

[04:43] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[04:43] Speaker 4: We're craving on 14.

[04:45] Speaker 3: You, you see-

[04:46] Speaker 4: So-

[04:46] Speaker 3: You see a- You see a lot of posts coming down the pike. How many posts are about how to disinfect their environment, how to keep being, from being reinfected, how to keep from infecting others? Do you ever see any posts like that?

[05:00] Speaker 4: Not as commonly as I would like to see, um, but sometimes a topic will come up and then, you know, people start talking about OCD cleaning and, you know, exhausting cleaning and, um, you know, what's between clothes, you know, how do we clean? Because they're finding things in their new clothes.

[05:21] Speaker 3: Right.

[05:22] Speaker 4: Um, you know, it's a constant challenge and it changes, and sometimes it's everything. Sometimes it's one topic.

[05:30] Speaker 3: My book has over 50 pages about how to clean your environment, from the bedroom to the living room, to the bathroom, to your automobile, to your workspace. Unless you know what the hell you're doing, you're just gonna keep reinfecting and reinfecting and reinfecting yourself and going nowhere but death.

[05:53] Speaker 4: Exactly, yes. (laughs) You may be scattering the morgues around for all you know. I mean-

[05:59] Speaker 1: Totally.

[06:00] Speaker 4: Um-I have heard some people who have figured it out and seem to have, uh, learned some things as far as, you know, cleaning their environment and getting rid of the morgue, but-

[06:11] Speaker 3: Right. Well-

[06:12] Speaker 4: ... it's complicated.

[06:12] Speaker 3: ... that would be a great topic for a, a future event that, that we can discuss because it's, it's a lot-

[06:18] Speaker 4: A whole day, yes. (laughs)

[06:19] Speaker 3: ... it's a lot involved with it. There are different, uh, things you can use, from ammonia to, uh, hypochlorite, to, uh, uh, uh, Benefect, a disinfectant, to a-a-all kinds of, uh, uh, the triple pesticide, to, uh-

[06:34] Speaker 4: Yes.

[06:34] Speaker 3: ... Five Thieves Oil. There are all kinds of different things that could be used. Frequency is important, which is very, uh, unlikely discussed and so forth. But we can also educate you how to clean your skin. Now-

[06:48] Speaker 4: Of course.

[06:48] Speaker 3: ... I'm sure you see a lot of posts that are about, "Oh, yes. I use this to rub my skin, and it all got... an- and it all got well." So I'm, I'm sure you see a lot of advice on-

[06:56] Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.

[06:57] Speaker 3: ... cleaning your skin, right?

[06:58] Speaker 4: And we had talked about the trends before. You know, the trends come and go, and then, you know, there's new trends this week, and there'll be more next week, you know. It's trial and error, I guess. Um, but some people are clever about it, and I love those people. They actually get out there and try things. (laughs)

[07:19] Speaker 3: Right.

[07:20] Speaker 4: What can you do, though, you know? Except for the cane die.

[07:23] Speaker 3: So-

[07:23] Speaker 4: The sunscorch.

[07:25] Speaker 3: So you got a hodg- so you get a hodgepodge of different things to clean your skin.

[07:30] Speaker 4: Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[07:30] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[07:30] Speaker 4: You, uh, heard of so many things, I just-

[07:34] Speaker 3: And, and the frequency, that's probably missing, and, uh, you know how to do it, you know, that, that's also im- important as well. So we can educate you on-

[07:43] Speaker 4: While we're on that topic, Richard, real quick. Uh, it just came up today, um, something I, I deem pretty dangerous if you do your homework about acetone. But there's a guy who went viral, he was telling... you know, putting acetone on, on your head. This is not good. But-

[08:01] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[08:02] Speaker 4: ... I just wanted to add that while we're on the topic.

[08:04] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[08:04] Speaker 4: It's the same one I've discussed before.

[08:07] Speaker 3: It's like, it's like swallowing turpentine to get rid of Morgellons. (laughs)

[08:11] Speaker 4: Thank you, Richard. But, uh, you know, some people are so desperate, they wanna believe something's gonna work, but that is... if you think about it penetrating your skin and-

[08:21] Speaker 3: Oh, god.

[08:21] Speaker 4: ... there's all kind of problems.

[08:22] Speaker 3: You know, even Vaseline is questionable because it's a hydrocarbon, so...

[08:27] Speaker 4: Exactly. And, and I, I'm guilty of that, using it, but, I mean, antibiotic ointment, I, I use more than anything, but that's still petroleum jelly-based, you know?

[08:38] Speaker 3: Right. Well, we have alternatives to all that in my store, but we, we can talk about that another time. So we're allowed to educate you-

[08:46] Speaker 4: There you go.

[08:46] Speaker 3: ... how to eat, how to clean your environment, how to clean your skin, and we can educate you how to build health and immune functioning. And you occasionally see that, uh, on, um... you know, we talked about quercetin, uh, just a couple of weeks ago. Somebody was into this quercetin thing. And, yeah, absolutely there are things that you can pick up on Facebook that'll help, but will it be enough? Maybe for one person, but how about the second? Last week, I talked about the complications and how nobody, no one per- no two people with Morgellons can have... actually have the same symptomatology. They have different filaments, different sizes, different colors, different... some have goop. Well, we talked about that last week.

[09:35] Speaker 3: So, this was-

[09:35] Speaker 4: When you talk about pathogens, you're getting into the thousands. It's like-

[09:39] Speaker 3: Oh, right. Yeah.

[09:40] Speaker 4: You know what I mean? Just that alone. (laughs)

[09:42] Speaker 3: I mean, we talked... I talked about 30. I'm sorry you missed last week. You... we would have had a... we would have had a wonderful time together 'cause, uh, it would have been a lot more interesting with the two of us interacting rather than me just going through the list. But, uh, I talked about-

[09:56] Speaker 4: You should play a game back and forth, Name That Pathogen or Name That-

[10:00] Speaker 3: (laughs) Yeah.

[10:00] Speaker 4: ... Parasite, or... (laughs) and we can all chime in. (laughs)

[10:04] Speaker 3: What's the prize?

[10:06] Speaker 4: Yeah. Maybe get healthy. Richard's free book. (laughs)

[10:11] Speaker 3: Yeah, Sharon, you got any ideas we can... what prizes we can give out for Name That Pathogen? (laughs)

[10:18] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[10:21] Speaker 3: Uh, oh, well, you know, uh-

[10:23] Speaker 4: I heard a microphone was off.

[10:26] Speaker 3: ... I w- I, I want to start off everyone, because there are people who-

[10:29] Speaker 4: Oh, that's regards in microbiology.

[10:31] Speaker 3: There, there may be people who are tuning in for the first time, and they're not absolutely certain they have Morgellons. So, I just wanna run down a quick way that you can basically self-diagnose yourself. And, uh, Dr. Saverly, who is, uh, one of the physicians who treat Morgellons like Lyme disease, she wrote a book, Morgellons: The Legitimization of a Disease. It took me a long time to learn how to pronounce legitimization, but I got it. And she defines Morgellons, and I have no reason to, to disagree with her, but Morgellons is characterized by the production of filaments and fibers that are not normal to your skin. They can... uh, not normal as your typical facial hair or the hair that grows from your body. They're... it's different. They're... in fact, they're comprised of collagen and keratin. They're different. They have different colors.

[11:27] Speaker 4: I can't hear.

[11:28] Speaker 3: Red, blue, white, green, I believe, and, uh, different lengths and thicknesses. Some of them can be almost microscopic, and that you really don't see them, but you find accumulations-

[11:40] Speaker 5: I'm sorry. Excuse me, Richard. There's a lot of background noise. I see some people that are unmuted. Could you mute them?

[11:47] Speaker 4: Sure.

[11:47] Speaker 5: It's really hard to hear Richard with the background.

[11:51] Speaker 3: Yeah. Knock 'em off.

[11:51] Speaker 5: I think four.

[11:52] Speaker 3: Okay. Uh, okay. So, thank you so much. So, as I was saying, they have these different size filaments, and some of them are so tiny that they're not really visible to the naked eye, but you can usually find them accumulating like lint, like balls in your bedding and clothing, and you haven't been wearing cashmere or wool to explain their presence-So, this is the idea of what Morgellons is defined. If you're not producing these filaments and fibers, you don't have Morgellons, according to Dr. Saverly, and I would probably agree, uh, with that.

[12:28] Speaker 4: Agree. Yes.

[12:30] Speaker 3: Now, there are other things that people feel, and that is a biting sensation. So yes, uh, Morgellons people also have biting sensations, and so do people with other paras- skin parasites, like Columbola. Uh, there are, uh, a non-healing lesions that, that seem to take forever to heal. They can also be from Morgellons, they can be also from Columbola and some other, uh, uh, fungal things, I, I would imagine, and, and, uh, uh, uh, other sources as well.

[13:05] Speaker 4: But they could be the same. If we're talking about Morgellons, uh, it could be fungi as well, and it's just-

[13:11] Speaker 3: Right.

[13:11] Speaker 4: ... it's just a plethora. That's so confusing. So-

[13:15] Speaker 3: But the, the main thing is the filaments and fibers, and all this other stuff can come along with it and be Morgellons-

[13:22] Speaker 4: Yes.

[13:22] Speaker 3: ... or something else as well.

[13:25] Speaker 4: Well, there-

[13:26] Speaker 3: Now, some people-

[13:27] Speaker 4: Yes.

[13:28] Speaker 3: Some people report that, uh, things coming out of their skin, like barbs, plastic barbs, uh, gooky things. Uh, my book on, on the cover has, uh, uh, pictures of, of some of the stuff that you see, uh, on Facebook, you'll see this kind of stuff coming out, uh, (beep) gooey stuff, uh, uh, this is often associated with, with Morgellons. (beep) Uh, one lady reported a 16-legged spider coming out of her skin, cocoon-like things. But now, these things usually are from Morgellons, but there's also a thing called myiasis, which could be, uh, simply getting bitten by a midge, and midges growing in your, in, in, inside your skin. But typically, Morgellons is connected with that as well, as well as maybe Columbola. Now, how about itching? Do a lot of people itch, Caroline? Carol Ann?

[14:24] Speaker 4: There's a man, and I'm, I'm sure if any members are watching or listening, uh, there was a post this week about, uh, his wife came on, and he was 50 years old when he passed away. Well, it wasn't until a month before he passed that she, uh, actually saw him, you know, in the bath and saw how bad it really was. Um, I, I assume, but I really don't know, the guy probably started itching and picking like we all do. But, um, at some point, he got a scalpel and, um, got to work on his body, and basically, almost took his whole kneecap out, and tried to flush it.

[15:07] Speaker 3: Wow.

[15:07] Speaker 4: The images are, um, they're very disturbing.

[15:12] Speaker 3: Right. Hmm.

[15:12] Speaker 4: But this man's story needs to be told, because at the end, his wife says, "I finally believed him." That's why, um, his story needs to be told, because the picking led to his obsession with the bugs and the digging, and which led to his demise. We don't know, did Morgellons kill him, or did, I don't know.

[15:43] Speaker 3: Or it was.

[15:44] Speaker 4: Or did the digging. Um...

[15:47] Speaker 3: Well, itching, itching is a typical symptom that goes along with Morgellons, as well as Columbola, as well as skin fungus, and maybe some other things. I don't know. Mites.

[15:59] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[15:59] Speaker 3: Yes. Mites can itch you like crazy as well. Uh, I had forgotten to mention mites is one of those issues, uh, earlier on. But, uh, you know, uh, you had mentioned, uh, in our messaging, uh, during the week, something about the, uh, the dangers of scratching yourself, infecting your, uh, uh, your skin with your... You, you know, itching is normal and what do you do? You scratch it. And what do you scratch it with? Your fingernails. Now, are your fingernails sterile? Are they sterile?

[16:32] Speaker 4: It's one of the nastiest places on your whole body.

[16:35] Speaker 3: (laughs) Yeah.

[16:35] Speaker 4: Yeah, you're infecting, you're passing off infection because a lot of things come out of your fingers, like mites.

[16:42] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[16:43] Speaker 4: There are tools- If you have mites, then they're..

[16:45] Speaker 3: So you've got bacteria-

[16:47] Speaker 4: Our tools get dirty.

[16:48] Speaker 3: You, you've got bacteria, dirt, all kinds of stuff in your fingernails, putting it right on your, in your skin if you're scratching a lesion or whatever, or breaking your skin, there you go, you're infecting yourself. But, you know, that's only a part of the picture. Uh, when, when you wrote that, Carol Ann, uh, Carol Ann, what reminded me, I had remembered writing a post, but I didn't remember when. But this goes way back to 2022.

[17:17] Speaker 4: Oh, it's a great post.

[17:20] Speaker 3: So-

[17:20] Speaker 4: Great post, Richard.

[17:22] Speaker 3: Yeah, 2020. No, September of 2020, uh, I came across this information, and it, it's in the book. I mean-

[17:32] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[17:32] Speaker 3: ... there is no other book in the entire world as thorough as this one. I mean, you can read them all, but for, for instance-

[17:39] Speaker 4: There was something you forgot about that came up to me. I mentioned it to you, you're like, "Wait a minute, I wrote that in the book." And you came back and gave it to me, and I'm like, "Wow." Yeah, very thorough.

[17:52] Speaker 3: Really. Now, one of the main symptoms-

[17:54] Speaker 4: Hi, Trevor.

[17:55] Speaker 3: ... of Morgellons disease is itching.

[17:57] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[17:57] Speaker 3: And of the, of all the people I've analyzed the questionnaires, yes, they itch. So, 100% of us with Morgellons disease itch. Some of them, it feels like it's from underneath the skin, and you, the only way to get some kind of relief, you think, is to scratch it.Well, there's a recent study. This goes back to 2020, so it's not... It's, uh, it's already a little bit history. But the recent study finds that by scratching your sin- your skin, your immune system can be damaged. Can you imagine that? Scratching your skin can damage your immune system.

[18:37] Speaker 3: We can sit-

[18:37] Speaker 4: I never knew. I never knew until I read your-

[18:41] Speaker 3: I never knew it.

[18:41] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[18:41] Speaker 3: And, you know, I totally forgot about it. It can shift the balance of immune function in your digestive tract. Now-

[18:50] Speaker 4: (coughs)

[18:50] Speaker 3: ... if you've been in, coming into my program and attending my, uh, free seminars since, uh, for the last several years, you know that digestive tract is something that is very important. It's something we focus on. We have, uh, enzymes to help digest the food. We have polythenols to help, uh, uh, d- deal with the... With... We have, we have four products already in our store about gut restore. (notification sound) We have that. We have all these products. But let me, let me go on here. Uh, you know, it's not... You know, we, we, we're barraged from all sen- all, all areas. Glyphosate, you know, destroys our gut flora.

[19:33] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[19:33] Speaker 3: Uh, but here's the rub, and then this is a pun. A study conducted, conducted by Boston's Children Hospital finds that scratching of your skin may well set off a series of immune responses that trigger mast cells. These are immune cells-

[19:52] Speaker 4: Not mast cells.

[19:52] Speaker 3: ... connected to the allergic reaction of the small intestine. A quarter-

[19:58] Speaker 4: That blew my mind.

[20:00] Speaker 3: What's that?

[20:01] Speaker 4: This is new. This is new to me that are... People need to hear this because this blew my mind. This is very important.

[20:08] Speaker 3: It... Yeah. It blows your mind be-... According to an article in Frontiers Immunology, January 6th, 2016, mast cells are immune cells of the myeloid lineage and are present in connective tissue throughout the body. The activation and degranulation of mast cells significantly modulates many aspects of physiological and pathological conditions in various settings. With respect to normal physiological functions, mast cells are known to regulate vasodilation, vascular homeostasis, innate and adaptive immune response, angiogenesis, and vermin detoxification. On the other hand, mast cells have also been implicated in the pathophysiology of many diseases, including allergy, asthma, anaphylaxis, gastrointestinal disorders, many types of malignancies, cardiovascular diseases. This review summarizes the current understanding of the role of mast cells in many pathological conditions.

[21:12] Speaker 3: So, you, you're dealing with Morgellons, and what you are doing is you are inviting all kinds of problems in your physiology.

[21:23] Speaker 4: Yes.

[21:24] Speaker 3: Asthma-

[21:24] Speaker 4: Yes.

[21:25] Speaker 3: ... anaphylaxis, gastrointestinal disorders.

[21:29] Speaker 4: Richard, I went to the ER a couple year... It's about three years ago now, I think, when I was in anaphylactic shock. I never found out... I even went back after I had an EpiPen and ate everything I ate that day to kind of redid that whole day. I never found out why. And now I'm starting to wonder about this-

[21:50] Speaker 3: Yeah, who knows?

[21:50] Speaker 4: ... what we're talking about.

[21:52] Speaker 3: I mean, scratching is a normal response, and, and we're gonna talk about a solution to that in a little bit, because I have one.

[21:58] Speaker 4: Right.

[21:59] Speaker 3: And, uh, both Robin and, uh, and Sharon and many other people on the call can attest to the solution. What happens is, the scratching of your skin causes mast cells to expand, which can lead to leaky gut syndrome. As reported in an article appearing in Immunity, published 4/23/19. This is all very recent, you know, just within the last, uh, five, six, five or six years. Mechanical skin injury promotes food anaphylaxis, th- uh, by driving intestinal mast cell expansion. Well, what happens when you have leaky gut syndrome? What happens? Parasites?

[22:42] Speaker 4: Right. Yeah, parasites.

[22:44] Speaker 3: Candida albicans, (notification sound) toxins from your (laughs) intestine, all get into your bloodstream. The, uh, the worms, the parasites, they get into your joints, they get into your skin and cause inflammation and, uh, rashes. Yeah. (laughs)

[23:03] Speaker 4: Wow.

[23:03] Speaker 3: Uh, the, um, the candida albicans is, uh, goes into your organs and can... Is converted to a dangerous hydra form of, uh, fungi. As mast cells expands, their actions can lead to leaky gut syndrome. Again, I read that. A condition that compromises the intestinal walls and allows toxins and allergens to enter the bloodstream. Scratching is not something that you (laughs) want to do a lot of.

[23:35] Speaker 4: Mm-mm. And, and I, I would assume that, uh, not only scratching, but when you start digging in, you know, into the dermis and every... Ep- I mean, epidermis, it's like down to the dermis and all that, that probably stimulates the same reaction, right?

[23:52] Speaker 3: Yeah. The science-

[23:53] Speaker 4: It's not just scratching.

[23:55] Speaker 3: The scientist finds that it's especially a problem over those suffering from atopic dermatitis.

[24:01] Speaker 4: There you go.

[24:01] Speaker 3: It's a type of eczema. It, uh, it's no good to scratch your skin. Well, hello. To those of us suffering from Morgellons, lice, and Columbola, it seems that scratching is our middle name. (laughs)

[24:14] Speaker 4: So, that includes our whole skin, like, every layer. So, what I asked was kind of a dumb question kind of thing. So yeah, (laughs) it's an organ, so it's not part of it, I suppose. Yeah-But this is good material.

[24:29] Speaker 3: What?

[24:29] Speaker 4: Um, this is very good material, because I will tell you, there was a guy named Clay who, uh, passed of MRSA that we had mentioned before, and, um, I've seen so many people at risk that are digging and digging, and I don't know if they sanitize proper. Even if they do, I mean, surgeons can go in and scrub, scrub, and still find traces of things. So you know, you are taking a chance when you're breaking the skin back. But I know Morgellons breaks it. I mean, things come out.

[25:05] Speaker 4: But I-

[25:06] Speaker 3: You, you are... You made a super point there. Before the surgeon, uh, does anything with your skin, he scrubs and scrubs and scrubs. (laughs) And how many of us-

[25:14] Speaker 4: Oh.

[25:14] Speaker 3: ... scrub our fingers and scrub anything before we scratch our skin?

[25:18] Speaker 4: Not like a surgeon, and the surgeon still has to have staph, MRSA, E. coli, salmonella. I could go on and on. They still find traces of this, and we don't scrub like surgeons. I know I never have, and I'm pretty clean, you know, so... (laughs) But yet, it's very, um, people don't think about it's very risky. Um, sanitization, because things do protrude from the skin, and you know, we're not pickers. I've been diagnosed OCD because I'm a picker and all this. If you have things coming out of your skin, you're gonna pick too.

[25:57] Speaker 3: Yes.

[25:57] Speaker 4: It's not only for OCD.

[25:59] Speaker 3: You gotta, you gotta extract it. You don't want it there, you wanna get it out. You wanna get rid of it.

[26:02] Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't want people to see things hanging out of your skin. You know, like, when you go out, you're like... (door chime) So yeah, I don't know. Those doctors are aware with everything, but yeah. I try to speak on behalf of everybody I've run into since I've had this, and I'm just throwing things out there, but yeah.

[26:22] Speaker 3: Uh, what, what hap- When you see somebody else yawn, (yawns) what do you wanna do?

[26:29] Speaker 4: It, it's ya- It triggers this, th- something in your brain that makes you think you're yawning too, or it wants to. I don't-

[26:36] Speaker 3: You yawn-

[26:36] Speaker 4: ... can't remember. It's crazy.

[26:38] Speaker 3: Here's what. Lab studies show that when you see someone else scratch themselves, a part of the brain identified as the supr- suprachiasmatic nucleus, SCN, sends out a chemical signal that creates the sensation of your skin itching. (laughs)

[26:55] Speaker 4: Interesting. I did not know you were going there, but I halfway guessed it when you were halfway through. Wow. So it's the same part of the brain that's sending that message.

[27:08] Speaker 3: (laughs) Oh.

[27:10] Speaker 4: Interesting. (laughs) This is like a sci-fi movie. It's, it's great. (laughs)

[27:15] Speaker 3: Isn't it? Uh, I, I mean, we're, we're-

[27:18] Speaker 4: I mean, it can be fun sometimes. (laughs)

[27:20] Speaker 3: We're, well... You know, I've, I've been there, you know, and I, and I truly, truly feel for those who don't know what to do and how to get their lives back, and they're struggling with this every day without any direction. Uh-

[27:36] Speaker 4: You're right.

[27:37] Speaker 3: It, it's, it's just mind-blowing. Like, uh, I got this, uh... Let me see if I can find this email that I, I just received. Uh, uh, today.

[27:49] Speaker 4: Don't make me cry again. I don't wanna get emotion- I'm sorry I did that. (laughs)

[27:53] Speaker 3: What's that?

[27:54] Speaker 4: Some stories... I said, "Don't get me emotional," but I'm sorry I did that. Some stories are very heavy to me, and I think that was the worst one I heard. But, um-

[28:03] Speaker 3: I get emot- Yeah. Yeah. Emotion is my second na- uh, name, you know? I, it, it's, it's fine, because it's, uh-

[28:11] Speaker 4: It brings it back to us talking about the support at home is important, but that guy had a wife, and she was there, but she did not ever see the extent of it until a month before he passed.

[28:25] Speaker 3: What I find is that-

[28:26] Speaker 4: And he sa- He stayed isolated.

[28:28] Speaker 3: ... I find that he allowed himself to, suffered to s- uh, allowed himself to suffer being so quiet about it. I mean, that was a lot of degradation in his life.

[28:39] Speaker 4: So, a lot of us are like that to a certain extent, because our doctors, friends, families, and then the ones who don't have spouses, like we talked about, you know, we do tend to isolate a lot. I do. Um, I go out once a week and compete in pool, but other than that, I mean, that's what keeps me going, I guess. I don't know.

[29:01] Speaker 3: Here's an email I got from Katrina just yesterday or today. "Hi. I'm not sure if I'm reaching the correct person, but I really would like to talk or ask Richard some questions if possible. My life is crazy right now, and I live in North Georgia in a small, little shack, more or less. It's by, it's by far not airtight. Uh, four indoor and outdoor cats, three horses, 30 acres. To say the least, we are eat up with something." Cap- all caps, you know? All caps. "We have had exterminator, bombs, sprays, bagged all our stuff, wash, wash, wash. The doctor treated us for mites with permethrin cream and ivermectin pills. Not working. A long time ago, I was told I had Morgellons by an iridologist. I did all the bathing and such and laid dormant for years. I think it all started again with mites, probably from rat/mouse nests in the attic, have found holes and spaces to come through, that they come through.

[30:21] Speaker 3: Of course, I cannot find a doctor or dermatologist who give a..." She used the f- the F word, "about any of these-"

[30:30] Speaker 4: Same.

[30:30] Speaker 3: "... any of this."

[30:31] Speaker 4: Of course you said.

[30:33] Speaker 3: ... uh, it is totally ruining our lives. I don't know what to do anymore or how to get a grip on it. It's going to win. It already is. Do you have any advice or know where to start? I can send you pictures." Well, that would be useless to me. "That would make you squeamish, but nobody cares." Well, we've seen plenty of them on Facebook. "Please, any advice would be so grateful." Uh, so-

[31:01] Speaker 4: She's wrong. We care. She's wrong. I know I do.

[31:06] Speaker 3: What?

[31:07] Speaker 4: Uh, she's wrong. We do care. She filmed you, thank God. I don't know what happened but-

[31:14] Speaker 3: Oh, I, I sent her the link, the link, I link, I sent her the link to sign up for the program and I hope she's on the call, uh, because we get results.

[31:24] Speaker 4: And you know what? You got her in the group and you get her some moral support too. I mean, really, uh, there, nobody has to suffer alone. And that's, that, that man's story I keep going back to, there's a lot to be learned there. You do not have to... You may suffer, you're not gonna do it alone ever again.

[31:45] Speaker 3: Right, right.

[31:45] Speaker 4: When I first got this, we suffered alone. We didn't have a big community like we do now, and we're gonna use those voices and we're gonna be there for each other.

[31:59] Speaker 3: Right. It was very lonely back in 1990s when I first encount- encountered these things. Uh, you get the... Well, you, you know, it's not much better today because now you get a lot of information, but the information leads you nowhere. It just, uh, it, it, um... I, I see all these pictures on Facebook. Now, I don't know how you feel about pictures, but to me, they're a waste of people's times. I tell them to throw away their damn cameras. Uh, that's my opinion.

[32:36] Speaker 4: We can tell you from the other side is, um, I think part of that is people want to be heard because nobody else has heard them. And when they get in the groups, they're like, "Oh my God, somebody's listening. Look, this is my story. This is my pictures, this is what I had." And then you've also got, you know, the comments-

[32:57] Speaker 3: Yes, I, I can see that.

[32:59] Speaker 4: ... or artifacts, you know. It supports-

[33:03] Speaker 3: Sometimes, I think you get-

[33:03] Speaker 4: Yes, it's some-

[33:04] Speaker 3: Sometimes, I think... I'm sorry. Uh, sometimes I think they have a competition to see if they can post the worst picture of the worst stuff coming out of their body. But anyway, uh, we simply know that they are dealing with parasites and that's al- that's all that's important for us to know. So anyway, uh, what is the solution-

[33:31] Speaker 4: Okay.

[33:31] Speaker 3: ... to scratching? Uh, Robin, what do you think the solution is to scratching? When you feel an itch and you start scratching, what do you do?

[33:40] Speaker 1: Um, well, first I figure out why, because if it's something I ate or if it's an environmental action, um, and then I have a whole toolkit because I've been reading your books and getting your products and coming up with solutions for a long time. Um, so, you know, I would, I, I would recommend to people I coach, I would say, you know, take a bath or a shower, use the Nature's Gift Debriding Soap and then, um, use one of Richard's creams or create your own, uh, ointment with a carrier oil and essential oils and, um, you know, be aggressive.

[34:25] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[34:26] Speaker 3: So, if you have an itch on your shoulder-

[34:28] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[34:28] Speaker 3: ... you're not gonna jump-

[34:29] Speaker 4: That's right.

[34:29] Speaker 3: ... in the bath for that, are you? What are you gonna do?

[34:31] Speaker 4: Um-

[34:31] Speaker 5: Mouthwash. The body wipe.

[34:33] Speaker 3: The body wipe. You're gonna just, uh, apply, you know, some of the, uh, what we call body wipe, it's got Nature's Gift in it. And what happens? What happens to that itch after, uh-

[34:43] Speaker 4: Stops.

[34:44] Speaker 3: ... gone, right?

[34:45] Speaker 1: Oh, don't, don't forget the little spray bottle that you can keep in your car so that, you know, anywhere you are, if, if, if you get an itch, you can just deal with it instantly.

[34:55] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[34:55] Speaker 4: Which spray bottle?

[34:55] Speaker 3: Ain't no itch anymore.

[34:57] Speaker 4: Wait a minute. Which spray bottles?

[34:58] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[34:59] Speaker 1: So, Richard-

[35:00] Speaker 4: Which spray bottle?

[35:02] Speaker 1: He says this little spray bottle, when you first buy Nature's Gift Debriding Soap and you make a little spray bottle that fits in your purse.

[35:10] Speaker 3: It's a pen.

[35:11] Speaker 1: Or in your car, and, and-

[35:13] Speaker 4: Little bitt of purse size stuff, that's what...

[35:15] Speaker 3: It's, it's, it's a-

[35:16] Speaker 1: Or, I actually have a big spray bottle in my car, but-

[35:19] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[35:19] Speaker 1: ... you just make your own spray, and, um, and if things start affecting you from wherever you are, you use it.

[35:28] Speaker 3: You just spray and the itch is gone. Boom. And guess what?

[35:32] Speaker 4: Right. Right there

[35:34] Speaker 3: If your fingernails-

[35:37] Speaker 4: It's like having pepper spray. (laughs)

[35:41] Speaker 3: What?

[35:41] Speaker 4: It's like having pepper spray, but it's like, you know.

[35:42] Speaker 3: Yeah. You pepper spray the bastard, right, you know. (laughs)

[35:45] Speaker 4: Chemical war- warfare stuff or whatever, sci-fi, whatever, I don't know.

[35:50] Speaker 3: And, and guess what? If, if you have an itch on your ankle, or your knee, or your back, you're gonna scratch it. But once you spray it, any germs that were there from your fingernails, bye bye.

[36:07] Speaker 4: My goal is to have every member who's got that problem and digs to use that stuff.

[36:16] Speaker 3: Right.

[36:16] Speaker 4: I will donate it. I don't care. Uh, I know of one person that we've lost from a type of skin infection or whatever that went to their blood, you know, whatever. That's very low considering the numbers across the groups, but one is way too many.One is too many. (laughs) You know, we already have enough problems. We don't need to kill ourselves, you know, not sanitizing properly, digging a little bit too much, getting a little too obsessed. Um, I also strongly encourage taking a break, by the way. Anyway, that's my input. I just wanna throw it in there, but, yeah, sometimes taking a break from it all for a couple of days helps too.

[37:02] Speaker 3: Right. So, uh, well, we've covered a, a very important topic today, a topic that, uh, I have never seen on Facebook.

[37:12] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[37:12] Speaker 3: Um, well, I'm not... You know, I don't go on a lot. I, I mostly see the posts on your, uh, uh, your, your page. Have you ever seen-

[37:23] Speaker 4: It's the biggest coinfection, or what I call coinfections. I, I categorize a lot of things as coinfections, but it's the biggest one because it's the only one I know that has actually caused death.

[37:38] Speaker 3: We talked about MRSA *******.

[37:39] Speaker 4: Picking, scratching, digging.

[37:41] Speaker 3: You and I-

[37:41] Speaker 4: Yeah, the MRSA and then the, yeah.

[37:44] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[37:44] Speaker 4: And then the guy who took all his chunks of flesh out, and died a month later, but yeah. Um, he... I think that was part obsession, and after he just... You know, I get it, but I, I, I've almost given up myself. Um, I mean, but we have each other now. You know, people need to realize that everything's temporary and we have each other, and, uh, we'll be fine one day. So, yeah.

[38:13] Speaker 3: You know, and that's why we have this Sunday afternoon program here, uh-

[38:17] Speaker 4: Right.

[38:18] Speaker 3: ... because it, it's such a lonely disease. It's not a disease that you talk to your neighbor about. I mean-

[38:26] Speaker 4: No. (laughs)

[38:27] Speaker 3: It's a disease that-

[38:28] Speaker 4: No.

[38:29] Speaker 3: ... that even if you talk to your spouse about, depending on your spouse, you might be labeled crazy, so, and, and-

[38:38] Speaker 4: I do remember, I do remember this kind of spouse that, um... I'm not sure if it even makes it worse, because when you got somebody that should believe in you, yet they don't believe you, that may be a little bit worse. You know what I mean?

[38:52] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[38:52] Speaker 4: It's very hurtful to the member I'm talking about, but yeah. Just, I don't know. But I don't know if I would believe this if I didn't have it. It's so bizarre. So I try to think the way they think, but I don't know.

[39:11] Speaker 3: Yeah. You know, having spousal support is so important, or family support-

[39:15] Speaker 4: It is.

[39:16] Speaker 3: ... and not being, uh, labeled as a, a drug addict or something like that, you know? Here's another, uh, plea for help. "Good afternoon, I-"

[39:25] Speaker 4: But you know what? I wouldn't have met the wonderful people I have, and a lot of friends have been made and everything in, in the group, and, you know, we've become, like, a big support system/family, friends, you know. And at least people feel like they belong, you know?

[39:42] Speaker 3: I hope we can bring them to... I hope we can bring them to our program here, uh, Carrie, because this is where-

[39:49] Speaker 4: I would like to hear voices, yes. Morgellons Uncensored, let's bring them on and let's hear everybody's story. Let's do it. (laughs)

[40:00] Speaker 3: Th- here's another one. "My name is Leanne, and I'm writing to request an update on the Morgellons information, and also if you could help me figure out which issues I should address first. I'd appreciate any help as this is hell. And since 2011, I've been in total hell while trying to carry on life as normal." How can you carry on life as normal? It's... You just can't. Uh-

[40:28] Speaker 4: What is normal for us? We have no normal.

[40:31] Speaker 3: There is no normal. You're right. We-

[40:34] Speaker 4: We don't even know what that is anymore, really. I mean...

[40:38] Speaker 3: (laughs) I remember once I got so desperate and I heard about sulfur. This is back in the 1990s. I started applying sulfur to my hair. (laughs) I looked like I had jaundice, I was jaundiced, you know? It was so embarrassing.

[40:52] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[40:53] Speaker 3: How do you walk around saying, "Well, I don't have... I'm not... I don't have a liver disease, I got bugs." You know. Oh, boy. Uh, "Please let me know what information, pictures and so forth I can provide." Of course, I always say, "No, I don't want to see your pictures. I could care less about your pictures." But I didn't... I never say that to the person.

[41:12] Speaker 4: No, don't say that. Doctors say that. Don't, don't.

[41:15] Speaker 3: I don't, I don't address that.

[41:17] Speaker 4: Don't do it. (laughs)

[41:17] Speaker 3: I don't address that issue, you know? (laughs)

[41:19] Speaker 4: Don't compare you to a doctor. (laughs)

[41:22] Speaker 3: Uh, thank you so much in advance for your help. I just bought your book on Audible, uh, downloaded the version, and I'm listening and reading it after these years. It's the most comprehensive bit of writing I have encountered. Thank you. And thank you again-

[41:37] Speaker 4: Aww.

[41:38] Speaker 3: ... for any individual help, as well as the wonderful links and resources. You've dedicated a lot to helping others with this plague. Leanne." Uh, you know, I happened upon-

[41:50] Speaker 4: Respect, Richard.

[41:53] Speaker 3: What?

[41:55] Speaker 4: Very much respect. Very much. But we already knew this. It's just good to hear it.

[42:02] Speaker 3: I happened upon a, uh, um, an article somehow on my phone, I don't know where it came from, and before I knew it, I had pressed, uh... and it was reading it to me, and it was this long-ass article about Morgellons. God, it went on and on. It talked about-

[42:21] Speaker 4: We all did. (laughs)

[42:23] Speaker 3: It talked about the Charles Holland Association, it talked about, oh, maybe a half a dozen or a dozen doctors.

[42:32] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[42:35] Speaker 3: And so forth.But did he ever go to the damn library or Amazon and read a book and, and see where there is real information? No, they-

[42:45] Speaker 4: Yeah, you show 'em where it's at. There it is. (laughs)

[42:48] Speaker 3: All they have to do is read this book and there's nothing else they need to find. It's all here.

[42:54] Speaker 4: I'm guilty, there are parts I haven't read. I, I'm selective. Like I say, you know, the diet, I avoid like a plague because I need to gain weight and then go on it, but I, I everything I've read-

[43:06] Speaker 3: Every product you have is weapons-grade, honey.

[43:08] Speaker 4: ... is phenomenal. I just...

[43:09] Speaker 3: Did you-

[43:09] Speaker 4: I mean, you have a free audio copy.

[43:12] Speaker 3: Did you call my coach, know what I mean?

[43:14] Speaker 4: How many milliliters?

[43:14] Speaker 3: I don't know if it's free. Uh, people say it is-

[43:17] Speaker 4: The audio one.

[43:17] Speaker 3: ... but I don't know. I don't have anything to do with it.

[43:20] Speaker 4: Yeah, the audio-

[43:21] Speaker 3: That's great. I-

[43:21] Speaker 4: There is an audio copy that's free, and I mean, I'm just saying, what do you have to lose? I mean, if they get your products, that's optional, you know? I mean, I'm open to getting them, but that's just me, you know? I... there, she talked about the little purse-sized thing, and that got my attention 'cause anything I can put in my purse. I'm a junkie with purse-sized stuff.

[43:44] Speaker 3: Oh.

[43:44] Speaker 4: But yeah, anyway.

[43:45] Speaker 3: Well, it's, it's like a pen. It's like a pen dispenser. It has a little thing that you could hook on your shirt pocket if you want, and it's just 10 milliliters, but it's 10 milliliters of relief anytime you want it. It's, it's that powerful.

[43:58] Speaker 4: Oh, right, because my favorite perfumes are those little pens that have rollers on 'em. Yeah, I'm a-

[44:03] Speaker 3: I'll have-

[44:04] Speaker 4: ... little purse-sized girl. I love those. (laughs)

[44:06] Speaker 3: I'll have to send it to you with a, with, uh, some of the Yonation gift solution and, uh, you can, you can make it up and, and use it yourself. Now, because if you-

[44:14] Speaker 4: Well, that's thoughtful. Thank you.

[44:16] Speaker 3: Did you ever get the lotion I had sent to you?

[44:20] Speaker 4: Mm, oh, um, I haven't looked at the mail today. Do you know what day?

[44:25] Speaker 3: I sent it about three weeks ago. Well, anyway, we can check, I can check into that later. I keep forgetting.

[44:30] Speaker 4: I better a- I better ask my neighbors 'cause I get my neighbors' packages, so maybe that's it. I don't know. (laughs)

[44:37] Speaker 3: Okay.

[44:38] Speaker 4: I'm curious, so... Anyway.

[44:43] Speaker 3: Well, we have about 14 minutes left.

[44:45] Speaker 4: Today's discussion's been great.

[44:46] Speaker 3: 14 minutes left.

[44:48] Speaker 4: Good to hear. She was going to-

[44:50] Speaker 3: What did we go with you?

[44:51] Speaker 4: ... say something earlier. What was that? I wanna know what was-

[44:54] Speaker 3: What?

[44:54] Speaker 4: ... in her head. Something's been in her head the whole... I wanna know, or yeah. Yeah.

[45:00] Speaker 1: Yeah, um-

[45:00] Speaker 4: It's something, and I know when she has that look-

[45:02] Speaker 1: Thank you.

[45:02] Speaker 4: ... there's something good there.

[45:04] Speaker 1: Uh-huh. Well, I-

[45:05] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[45:05] Speaker 1: When you guys were talking about the pictures of things, um, you know, that comes up a lot when I'm coaching people, and, and actually, I tell them, "It doesn't matter what it is, the solution is the same." Doesn't matter what it looks like-

[45:22] Speaker 4: Sure.

[45:22] Speaker 1: ... doesn't matter what the picture says. If you follow the program, you get well. And a lot of times-

[45:29] Speaker 4: And let's assuming it's only four gallons, but that's a great answer. It really is. I mean, yeah, exactly.

[45:37] Speaker 1: So, anxiety so that they can go, "Oh, okay." You know, and start taking note.

[45:42] Speaker 4: If they're not chasing their tail around, like there's a lot of misinformation out there now and everybody's chasing their tail 'cause they hear this from this guy and he don't... He's just throwing out stuff he heard everywhere else, and then this person knows what they're talking about, but they're like, "Wait, who's right?"

[46:00] Speaker 1: Right.

[46:01] Speaker 4: I don't know. (laughs)

[46:02] Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's why you have-

[46:04] Speaker 4: So, I love your answers.

[46:04] Speaker 1: ... we have solutions that work, they're not always easy, but they work, and they work on all of these things. It doesn't really matter. Doesn't matter-

[46:12] Speaker 4: I tell people-

[46:12] Speaker 1: ... what all crazy pictures you have.

[46:15] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[46:15] Speaker 4: I tell people when in question, I know the guy who wrote the book on more gallons.

[46:20] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[46:21] Speaker 4: I trust him over anybody. I'm sorry, but I have common sense, you know? Um, I'm not gonna trust a guy who buys a microscope, gets members out of a group, and goes viral and says, "Oh my God, it's Armageddon and synthetic skin. Oh my God, everything everywhere." No, that's for glory. (laughs) We need to get people better, better.

[46:47] Speaker 3: Right.

[46:48] Speaker 1: I mean, I did at one point 'cause I have had mites, and I went to a dermatologist and I asked them to do skin, uh, skin scraping for DNA, and they did, and they said, "Yeah, you have mites." (laughs) They said-

[47:03] Speaker 4: You gotta watch out.

[47:03] Speaker 1: ... "We don't know what kind." But that way, I was able to say to my family, "It's not in my head, it's in my skin."

[47:12] Speaker 3: Okay.

[47:12] Speaker 4: I wish I coulda at least got that. I would take mites just to give an ex- I would really take mites just to have that, what you have, honestly.

[47:21] Speaker 1: There's also a website.

[47:23] Speaker 4: With testing.

[47:24] Speaker 1: There's a website called, uh, I think it's called VetDNA.

[47:28] Speaker 3: Right.

[47:28] Speaker 1: And there's a section that says, "What's biting you?" And you can send them samples if you get them. I, I think up to three samples, and they'll tell you what they are. So, so-

[47:40] Speaker 4: Whoever this is...

[47:42] Speaker 3: Yeah, it's-

[47:43] Speaker 4: We're gonna share all this, Richard.

[47:45] Speaker 3: What, Robin said it, it's called Vet, V-E-T-D-N-A, and you can send them skin scrapings and, uh, if you go on it, uh-

[47:55] Speaker 4: Tests.

[47:55] Speaker 3: ... and they will identify-

[47:56] Speaker 1: You have to ask them what things to test for, though.

[47:58] Speaker 3: Yeah. You gotta ask them to test for parasites.

[48:01] Speaker 4: And cost plan.

[48:01] Speaker 1: I don't know what their price is. I never, uh, you know, I'm sure it went up, so I...

[48:06] Speaker 4: You know, a guy I used to work with could test for DNA, but he's not around, and I would kill to have that today.

[48:13] Speaker 1: Well, the other-

[48:14] Speaker 4: Since things have paused.

[48:15] Speaker 1: ... the other place is universities that have an entomology department will test for a small fee or free.

[48:24] Speaker 4: I'll pay a small fee. I just, I really want answers. I just, you know, those resources are-

[48:32] Speaker 3: Well-

[48:32] Speaker 4: ... invaluable.

[48:33] Speaker 1: The other thing with a coach, I mean, certain symptoms point to certain things.

[48:37] Speaker 3: But the-

[48:38] Speaker 4: No.

[48:38] Speaker 3: ... really, the only value of getting confirmation is to prove to somebody else that you are suffering from something real, like mites. But course, if you don't have mites under your skin and are dealing with Morgellons, nothing's gonna show up. Uh, so-

[48:57] Speaker 4: And they could also prove that it's a plethora of things that, like, that diet helps too, though. You see what I mean? It does, because I mean

[49:05] Speaker 3: I guess, mutually beneficial.

[49:06] Speaker 4: ... those treatments are slightly different from mites than springtails.

[49:09] Speaker 3: Well, you know, if I lived in an apartment complex, and I wanted to prove my point and get some money from the guy bec- be- uh, from the, uh, landlord because he's been negligent and whatever with dealing with rats and mites, that's something I would do to give to my lawyer, uh, uh, to provide information agai- uh, against him for a suit. But if it's me in my own home, I wouldn't put the money into it. I'd buy my products.

[49:37] Speaker 4: You know what? More than not, we have that problem i- in the group a lot. People renting, they have... They're living in mold, and God, they don't even know what all they're living in, but, yeah, they're very sick from the place they rent.

[49:54] Speaker 3: Well, yeah, when you're dealing with mold, and they have other experts that, uh, you can call and come in and, and then, uh, do ro- mold remediation, and that's between the landlord. Again, that... Mold is a very serious problem, and, uh, anybody living in moldy conditions should be, in my opinion, taking Lufenuron on a daily basis for the rest of their lives, as long as they're living-

[50:19] Speaker 4: Write that down, people. Write that down, people. Say it again, Richard.

[50:23] Speaker 3: Lufenuron, L-U-F-E-N-U-R-O-N. And you obtain it from-

[50:30] Speaker 4: Get that now.

[50:30] Speaker 3: You obtain it from a website called SHOP4, S-H-O-P, the number 4, morgellons.com, shop4morgellons.com. It's operated by a Dr. Luna who has a cl- cancer clinic in Mexico, and Dr. Luna, in his approach to cancer, he gets rid of variables. And fungal issues is an important variable to get rid of if you want to deal with cancer. He also gets rid of worms, and worms are important, and we do that too. And so-

[51:04] Speaker 4: Oh, because the fungi feeds the worms that cause the cancer, or...

[51:09] Speaker 3: Uh, no, I don't know, but-

[51:11] Speaker 4: ... molecule?

[51:11] Speaker 3: ... it's just, it's just more difficult to get rid of one disease if another one is rampant, you know. Uh, it takes your body's energy away from where you want it. You want to get rid of cancer. You don't want to fight two things or three things.

[51:28] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm. I see. Okay.

[51:30] Speaker 3: So he also uses-

[51:32] Speaker 4: Now, I under- Okay.

[51:32] Speaker 3: Now, parasites, we haven't... They, they would be a good topic to have. We have... Well, we got a few minutes now, but intestinal parasites, I mentioned earlier when we were talking about scratching, it can contri- contribute to leaky gut syndrome. And when you have leaky gut syndrome, the, uh, pinworms, roundworms, flatworms, red, all kinds of worms that you may have, can get, get out of your intestinal tract into your bloodstream, into your joints and the skin, and, you know, we have a case of, uh, a fellow running the, what is he? In charge of the FDA with, uh, worm brain? Whatever. He's had them. Uh, so we have worms in our bodies. Now, typically, when you look up the best way of getting rid of worms, most people will agree, will be black walnut hull and wormwood.

[52:28] Speaker 3: However, when I look at questionnaires, and that's another topic we may have, is my questionnaire, because with my questionnaire and your answers, I can pinpoint, educate you as to whether you're dealing with only Morgellons, Morgellons and Columbola, or only Columbola, skin fungus combined in there, strongyloid jericallis, fungal issues. So, I can pinpoint exactly what it is that you're dealing with on an educational level.

[52:56] Speaker 3: But the-

[52:56] Speaker 4: Can you distribute these questionnaires?

[53:00] Speaker 3: Yes, it's free. I give it out, and people evalua- I evaluate it and send, send it out along with a... I'll tell you what, you do it. I'll complete it for you.

[53:08] Speaker 4: Richard, you need to educate us what you have available. We don't know. (laughs)

[53:13] Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I'm, I'm so happy you're part of what we're doing now, because we have such-

[53:17] Speaker 4: I'm very happy. You've got great resources for everybody.

[53:22] Speaker 3: So... Phenomenal. But the, the point is, 90% of us who are dealing with Morgellons are also dealing with Columbola. Now-

[53:33] Speaker 4: Believe that.

[53:33] Speaker 3: ... wormwood and black walnut hull will be great if you're only dealing with Morgellons.

[53:38] Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.

[53:38] Speaker 3: But Columbola are species all to themselves that live in the environment-

[53:45] Speaker 4: They're not springtails, right?

[53:46] Speaker 3: Springtails.

[53:47] Speaker 4: Okay. 'Cause a lot of people don't know the technical name. Um, I hear it most commonly called springtails. I was making sure everybody understood.

[53:55] Speaker 3: Snow fleas.

[53:58] Speaker 4: Yeah, those.

[53:59] Speaker 3: Also.

[53:59] Speaker 4: Yeah. Another, yeah, common. (laughs)

[54:01] Speaker 3: Now, what is their purpose? They are in the environment to consume leaves, walnuts, wormwood. That's what they eat. That's their food. So what-

[54:16] Speaker 4: So they kind of make compost, I guess?

[54:19] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[54:19] Speaker 4: They're compost-type bugs.

[54:21] Speaker 3: To... Right.

[54:22] Speaker 4: Wow.

[54:22] Speaker 3: So the last thing you want to consume-

[54:25] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[54:25] Speaker 3: ... if you're dealing with springtails, Columbola, is wormwood and black walnut hull.

[54:32] Speaker 4: Ooh, that is their diet? Oh.

[54:34] Speaker 3: That's their diet. Part of their diet.

[54:37] Speaker 4: I learn, I learn, and I f- I feel dumb because I learn when I'm doing this, but I'm supposed to be helping. (laughs) Very interesting. Thank you, Richard. Good to know.

[54:50] Speaker 3: So, eh, so, it's amazing that, you know, little things like this make a big difference.

[54:58] Speaker 4: Absolutely. That's why I've had it for 11 years and I'm shocked that I'm just now learning things like this. Like, wow. And I'm sure-

[55:06] Speaker 3: Huh.

[55:06] Speaker 4: ... I'm not the only one. I really-

[55:08] Speaker 3: Uh-huh.

[55:08] Speaker 4: ... I'm sure I'm not the only one.

[55:10] Speaker 3: Well-

[55:10] Speaker 4: But, um-

[55:11] Speaker 3: ... ty- typically, the only ones are the ones that come in my program and, uh, read the book and, and attend the talks, but-

[55:17] Speaker 4: (laughs) They're like, "Whoa." That was me. I heard of your book. I've heard of you before. I mean, for, you know, for 11 years is how I've had it. I knew that book existed, but I'm slack with diets and I'm desperate enough to go on one, but I'm underweight, so I'm waiting, but I'm gonna go on the clean.

[55:38] Speaker 3: Did you call, uh, uh, Carol Ann? The coach?

[55:42] Speaker 4: No. Um, I have, uh, some foods that I'm eating, like a bunch of meals through the, the day instead of like, certain, like, three meals.

[55:52] Speaker 3: You'll love, you'll love Carol Ann. Give her a call. You'll be great friends, you know.

[55:56] Speaker 4: I sure will.

[55:57] Speaker 3: She coached you. She was very-

[55:57] Speaker 4: I love, like, her input.

[55:59] Speaker 3: ... uh, she was very underweight herself.

[56:02] Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I would love her input, because, uh, I can't afford to lose much more. (laughs)

[56:07] Speaker 3: No, no, no. So she may be on the call.

[56:10] Speaker 4: All this GMO, GMO and all that.

[56:12] Speaker 3: Okay.

[56:12] Speaker 4: What's your opinion about detoxing on this GMO stuff? Do you, are you indifferent or...

[56:21] Speaker 3: GMO, we only have a couple minutes, but I'm gonna tell you, GMO is one of the worst experiments on humanity as, as possible. Uh, the, uh, FDA has been nothing but a damn rotation-

[56:37] Speaker 4: Damn.

[56:37] Speaker 3: ... uh, with executives from Monsanto, who is now owned by Bayer, who they make pesticides that kill bees and, uh, destroy our, our, uh, our lives. They, we, we are a damn guinea pig. GMOs-

[56:51] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[56:51] Speaker 3: ... glyphosate, they're terrible. Glyphosate was patented, uh, in, in my book, it's a state, uh, it lists the, uh, patent that it's an antibiotic, glyphosate, and it's-

[57:04] Speaker 4: Oh.

[57:04] Speaker 3: ... water soluble. And you don't have to actually handle it to get exposed to it. If you eat non-organic, the, the food that they, the corn they feed to the livestock contains glyphosate. They, uh, then you consume that food, that meat, you get the glyphosate. It's like years ago, we had problems with, (bell dinging) uh, chickens, uh, and they took, they got rid of the antibiotics in the chickens because it was affecting us. Now, I believe they're getting the antibiotics back in the chickens.

[57:36] Speaker 3: I don't know, but-

[57:37] Speaker 4: Thanks.

[57:37] Speaker 3: ... it makes sense to go organic.

[57:39] Speaker 4: The corn problem, you can thank the Mississippi River for, 'cause it allows a lot moving around. (laughs)

[57:46] Speaker 3: I, I know. That would be-

[57:48] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[57:48] Speaker 3: ... the Mississippi Basin would be where people are most affected by glyphosate, definitely.

[57:52] Speaker 4: The best resource in this country right there. But yeah, but we'll have a topic on that one day too. We've got great things to cover coming up.

[58:01] Speaker 3: Yeah, man. Glyphosate, uh, we can go endless because all of them make life very difficult.

[58:06] Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I think if we get more like on, uh, you know, we've got some things floating around now. I'm, I would, I like to cover things that we can prove, not like, you know.

[58:18] Speaker 3: Those we have to-

[58:18] Speaker 4: But a lot of these conspiracies have come true, so...

[58:21] Speaker 3: Well, we got like 30 seconds, what would you like to wrap it up with?

[58:24] Speaker 4: Well, I would like to thank you for having me, and, um, it's always a pleasure, Richard. And thank you, gals. You were wonderful too. You bet, you all look great.

[58:34] Speaker 3: And my thank you is to you for being with us. And, uh, uh-

[58:39] Speaker 4: Finally.

[58:39] Speaker 3: ... hopefully we can create a motivating force that makes a difference in, uh, in helping people get their lives back. And-

[58:46] Speaker 4: And we're gonna get some people out of the group to speak to one day.

[58:50] Speaker 3: That would be wonderful. Absolutely.

[58:52] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[58:52] Speaker 3: Okay. All right. Thank you. This concludes-

[58:55] Speaker 4: Thank you.

[58:56] Speaker 3: ... this portion of the program. Hmm. Right on, there.

[59:10] Speaker 1: Welcome, everyone. It is March 1st, 2026. And this is the second half of the Morgellons Think Tank Call of the Week. And I'm here with Carrie Ann and Richard Kuhn and Sharon Alabama. And we are about to start our Q&A section of our call. So this is it, and star six is the mute and unmute button. So, um, if you have questions, you can, you can unmute and Richard will call on people to, to ask their questions.

[59:52] Speaker 3: Okay, we're-

[59:53] Speaker 6: Jordan at four-

[59:54] Speaker 3: Oh.

[59:54] Speaker 6: Oh, I'm sorry. Jordan at 4192 is the only one that had a question.

[59:59] Speaker 3: Okay, Jordan. Hello. How are you?

[01:00:03] Speaker 4: Yep.

[01:00:05] Speaker 1: Is he here?

[01:00:07] Speaker 6: He is. Jordan, unmute yourself by pressing star six.

[01:00:10] Speaker 1: Jordan is unmuted. Jordan, you're unmuted. Well, now-

[01:00:14] Speaker 3: Hello.

[01:00:16] Speaker 4: I thought somebody unmuted. I think it may have been Jordan. Um.

[01:00:21] Speaker 1: Okay, Jordan, let me do it. Hmm. Not working.

[01:00:31] Speaker 3: Jordan?

[01:00:32] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[01:00:32] Speaker 3: Well, someone else, star six. You know how it works. We're here.

[01:00:36] Speaker 1: Jordan, you can un-mute.

[01:00:37] Speaker 3: Jordan can catch us later.

[01:00:38] Speaker 1: There you go. There you go.

[01:00:38] Speaker 7: All right. Hold on. I got it. Let me do it.

[01:00:40] Speaker 3: Hello?

[01:00:41] Speaker 4: There he is.

[01:00:42] Speaker 7: Can you hear me?

[01:00:43] Speaker 3: Yes, I can hear you. Hi.

[01:00:45] Speaker 7: Okay. Yeah. (laughs)

[01:00:46] Speaker 3: How are you doing today?

[01:00:48] Speaker 7: Um, I-

[01:00:48] Speaker 4: Good day, Jordan.

[01:00:49] Speaker 7: I've had better days.

[01:00:52] Speaker 8: We all have. (laughs)

[01:00:54] Speaker 9: So...

[01:00:54] Speaker 8: That's right. (laughs)

[01:00:55] Speaker 9: Yeah. Okay.

[01:00:55] Speaker 8: Um, so, my question is... I'm not sure if it's really Morgellons, but anytime I look up anything that is similar to my symptoms, um, you know, it's kind of the closest thing. Um, it's definitely like an external thing attacking my body, is what it feels like. Um, s- and it has, like... It comes like a, a... some kind of bug or something that is... you can't really see it. You might see it li- out of the corner of your eye, like a really quick movement kind of deal, but, um, it, it's almost like they... it bites all over my body. But you'll have, like, these threads, like I walked through, like, a spider web. And, you know, all over my arms, my head, my face, and it's constant. And they fight back, um, against it. How long have... How long have you been dealing with this Um, about three years now About three years Yeah, and it's been getting worse and worse and worse. M- my entire environment, my home, is, like, covered.

[01:01:55] Speaker 8: I clean, I vacuum, I wiped the walls down, ev- it doesn't really do anything. See, they... What happens is they, like, um, they'll crawl, like, up my nose, my mouth, ears, everything, um I gotcha ... and.. What have you done in the past? What have you done in the past Um, I've tr- you know, of course, bathed and... ........................... What are you bathing, what are you bathing with Um, I've done, um, you know, Epsom salt with, um, Borax and, uh, healing clay Okay Um, that seems to... They don't like that, so basically, you'll feel them, like, crawl up. Like, they're in, like, in the water submerged, and they'll crawl and try to get out, you know Right. Mm-hmm Um, I, I can feel it and... But it What's happening ... but the problem is they have, like... It seems like they have an electrical charge as well. Like, they... If I upset one or try to rip it off my, my body, 'cause I can feel them when they're moving, it will shock the crap out of my hand.

[01:02:54] Speaker 8: Like, so much that it will, like, jolt my muscles, you know, like a, like a.. What ki-... What kind of disinfectants are you using to, uh, uh, clean your environment I've, I've tried all different types. Different kind of citrus ones, um, regular, you know, like, laundry soap. But the fibers don't really leave the, the clothing, even if I wash them, um, you know, it just keeps So you're, you're experiencing filaments and fibers Yeah. Like, they'll b- they'll, um, they'll, like, go into my skin All right And I'll feel, like, the... a web. It's really, really, really thin, but extremely strong thread All right. Mm-hmm And I can pull it. Uh, I can't... Like I said, I can't really see it very well, but you can pull them with your hands and you feel the pressure coming out of your Now.. ... your, uh, body I t- I take it, I take it you, you're not a member of my program yet, are you Uh, no.

[01:03:43] Speaker 8: I downloaded the PDF and everything, but this is the first time I called in or anything like that Wonderful. Welcome, welcome to the program. Join the program Thank you Start the diet. We're gonna get your life back. There's a lot of work to do. Uh, to tell you everything that you need to do, I'd have to read half of this book to you. And, uh, although that would probably be a good idea. But I don't think we have that much time Yeah, yeah. No. I... It's overwhelming I got to teach... Yeah. Extremely..

[01:04:09] Speaker 4: Sorry, Gordon?

[01:04:11] Speaker 8: I'm here.

[01:04:11] Speaker 4: Gordon?

[01:04:13] Speaker 8: Hello.

[01:04:13] Speaker 4: You just described, like, one of the most common phenomena I've heard is it feels like walking into a spiderweb. Is that what you're describing?

[01:04:23] Speaker 8: Yeah.

[01:04:23] Speaker 4: Or, like webs on your face?

[01:04:26] Speaker 8: I'm sorry, are you breaking up or is that me?

[01:04:28] Speaker 1: That's her.

[01:04:29] Speaker 8: That's her? Okay. Yeah, I'm sorry.

[01:04:30] Speaker 4: I- I'm breaking up?

[01:04:32] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[01:04:32] Speaker 8: Yeah.

[01:04:32] Speaker 4: Okay. You're describing one of the most common phenomena I've heard, but, uh, g- get in a Morgellons group and, uh, get support there as well. Like, moral support.

[01:04:47] Speaker 8: I'm sorry. Is it weird?

[01:04:47] Speaker 4: A lot of us have the exact...

[01:04:50] Speaker 8: Yeah. I know. There's, like, there's a little bit differences in...

[01:04:52] Speaker 4: I- i- in a Morgellons group.

[01:04:53] Speaker 8: Some, some have the colored fibers out of the skin, things like that, but...

[01:04:56] Speaker 4: Sure.

[01:04:56] Speaker 8: Okay. So, there are two, there are two chapters I want you to start with. Chapter four, which is the diet, start it immediately. Start it yesterday. Takes a lot of work to get it started. Chapter three, the most... One of the most effective dis- You're breaking, you're breaking up as well. You said kings' diet? Is that right Am I bre-... One of the most effective disinfectants to use is simply ammonia that you get from the grocery store, full strength in a spray bottle. Uh.. I'm sorry. Uh, Richard, you're breaking up really bad too.

[01:05:25] Speaker 8: Did you say ammonia

[01:05:26] Speaker 1: Maybe just... Richard, try just not being as close to the mic.

[01:05:30] Speaker 8: Start what?

[01:05:32] Speaker 1: Step back a little bit from the microphone.

[01:05:34] Speaker 8: Oh.

[01:05:34] Speaker 7: We can turn away.

[01:05:36] Speaker 8: I'm turning.

[01:05:36] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[01:05:36] Speaker 8: The mic is way behind my, uh, camera, even. There we go. Now it's better. It's working better now That's better, now

[01:05:41] Speaker 1: Much better.

[01:05:41] Speaker 8: Weird. All right. (laughs) I guess, never mind. It was intermittent. Well, amo Um, you said am- you said ammonia Yeah, ammonia. Uh, laundry-grade ammonia from, uh, your grocery store in the laundry department there. Uh, put it in a spray bottle. That's probably the least expensive. Uh, you see, w- we start with the basics, and if that doesn't work, we just up the game until we find what works. Uh, we find that there are organisms that are relatively easy to get rid of, and some of them are more difficult, and you have to, uh, up your game to dealing with them. There are protocols on how to do your laundry, uh, all in chapter three. So, you, you really wanna read that. You wanna, uh... I mean, if possible, get the softcover copy so you can put Post-its in it and make notes. Uh, it's overwhelming, but, uh, I guarantee you, you're gonna have results within a week or two, and noticeable results.

[01:06:42] Speaker 8: It sounds like your environment is going to need a lot of work Yeah Um, I don't know what your affordability is, but ammonia is the least costly one to spray

[01:06:54] Speaker 3: On the high end, we recommend an electrostatic sprayer, which is more efficient and faster when it comes to disinfecting, and, uh, using our diluted Nature's Gift, uh, to ... as, as being, uh, super effective. But start with the Nature's-

[01:07:10] Speaker 7: And can I use, can I use ammonia with my laundry too? Or ...

[01:07:13] Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely. Your, your laundry. I don't know how affected your laundry is, but real quick, because this is recorded and you can listen to it, uh-

[01:07:24] Speaker 7: Okay.

[01:07:24] Speaker 3: Real quick, you're gonna take ... Get a tub, uh, from Walmart with a top on it, about two feet by, uh-

[01:07:32] Speaker 7: Yeah, I've got one.

[01:07:33] Speaker 3: All right. You're gonna put ammonia in the bottom. You're gonna put egg crates on top, like plastic egg crates. Put your clothes on top of that, and let it seep in there for about maybe, uh, an hour, two hours. Some people actually have to do it overnight. Then put it in your washing machine. Add a cup of, uh, your, uh, ammonia, a cup and a half of ammonia, uh, put in your, uh, uh, laundry soap. Uh, we produce a, uh, a, a super laundry soap.

[01:08:01] Speaker 7: What was, what was the- Because you're breaking up so badly I'm having a hard time. You said, uh, you said ammonia and what together? Was it something nitrate?

[01:08:07] Speaker 3: I'm doing this real fast, so you're gonna listen to the recording. Okay?

[01:08:11] Speaker 7: Okay.

[01:08:12] Speaker 3: All right. And the recordings are gonna catch it. So, then you're g- you're going to wash your clothing. You're gonna put them in, in the dryer. You're gonna add, um, maybe a quarter of a cup of ammonia, a third of a cup of ammonia in the dryer to, uh, like a towel or something that's absorbent. This will-

[01:08:30] Speaker 7: Okay.

[01:08:30] Speaker 3: ... disinfect your dryer. So we disinfected your washer, we disinfected your dryer. Ultimately, you may have to take ... I don't know if they're in your hands or fingers, but, uh, if so, you're gonna have to wear-

[01:08:41] Speaker 7: Okay.

[01:08:43] Speaker 3: You're gonna have to wear-

[01:08:44] Speaker 7: Okay, great.

[01:08:44] Speaker 3: You wear gloves, you put them in, uh, Ziploc bags, you put in some menthol crystals in a bag. You close it up, and you keep them that way until you want to use them, and then you take them outta the bag. So, laundry can be, uh, pretty complicated. For me, I just used ammonia and that was it. I didn't have to bag them. I didn't have to soak them, but that's the ultimate.

[01:09:09] Speaker 7: Wonderful. Thank you. Is there any, um ... You guys said you also have coaches, correct?

[01:09:13] Speaker 3: We have free coaches. Yes. We'll give the numbers-

[01:09:15] Speaker 7: Oh.

[01:09:16] Speaker 3: ... out later.

[01:09:17] Speaker 7: Wonderful. Great. Thank you so much.

[01:09:19] Speaker 3: You're welcome. Who's next? Star six. Star six? Anybody?

[01:09:30] Speaker 7: Oh, yes. Sorry, sorry.

[01:09:31] Speaker 6: This is for Kerry. Is Kerry still there? This is Sharon. I have a question for Kerry.

[01:09:36] Speaker 4: I am here, lady. I am here.

[01:09:39] Speaker 6: Hey, there, my friend.

[01:09:40] Speaker 4: Hey, there.

[01:09:40] Speaker 6: Oops, I'm trying to get my video back on. Sorry. Okay, so we were talking earlier, um, about the, your hair, and how you mentioned about your fake hairs. Can you elaborate a little bit about your hair care routine? And when you talk about these fake hairs, can you, um, kinda go into a little bit of detail of what you mean about the fake hairs? Because a lot of people I've been coaching now, they're having more and more problems with their hair, even after cutting, like we were discussing earlier.

[01:10:10] Speaker 4: Well, one of these hairs is, uh, I do have some gray hair, but, I mean, I've got like these shorter hairs that, they do not feel re- like, they feel like if you feel a hair on a wig.

[01:10:24] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[01:10:25] Speaker 4: That's the only way I know how to describe it. But, um, I compete in, uh, eight ball and billiards. And one night I went, and I told my captain to put somebody else up because these hairs were sticking to my face like a magnet. I would pull my hair up like this, and when they fell, well, some kind of did just now, but they were like, they stuck to my face, and I've never had that. Um, I have seen these hairs move by their self. And people think you're crazy when you say that, if they don't have 'em.

[01:11:04] Speaker 4: But, um-

[01:11:05] Speaker 6: No, mine used ... When I, when I had hair, it would stand up. Literally, I could feel it standing up on my head at night and it freaked me out.

[01:11:13] Speaker 4: Did you ever take pictures?

[01:11:13] Speaker 6: I would just close my eyes and pray it'd go away. Huh?

[01:11:17] Speaker 4: But did you ever notice it showed up in pictures more than anything? Like-

[01:11:22] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[01:11:22] Speaker 4: ... if you take a picture, you see it. But if you're looking in the mirror, you don't see them as good. It's bizarre. But I don't know, uh, some thunder snow storm put some kind of static or electricity, I think, that made them worse, because it's like I have electricity, not just static. It's bizarre.

[01:11:46] Speaker 6: (laughs)

[01:11:49] Speaker 3: What happen- What happens when you touch a, uh, a pipe or a faucet? Uh, do you feel anything? Any discharge?

[01:11:56] Speaker 4: No, but, uh, I do know that sometimes I hear like some kind of electricity in my hair, and when I pull-

[01:12:04] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[01:12:04] Speaker 4: ... like my sheets off my bed, it doesn't sound like static. It sounds like electricity coming from like, you know, a telephone pole or something.

[01:12:14] Speaker 3: Hmm.

[01:12:15] Speaker 4: It's bizarre. I don't know.

[01:12:17] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[01:12:17] Speaker 4: Um, I used to think the tinfoil hat club was crazy, but I think they may be on. I don't know. (laughs) Because seriously, there's something behind that. I don't know. But maybe fungal there. I'm gonna go reach out and say it could be fungi. Okay?

[01:12:38] Speaker 3: Okay.

[01:12:38] Speaker 4: Or I am sure.

[01:12:40] Speaker 6: Okay.

[01:12:40] Speaker 3: All right. Anyone else have a question? Star six, we're here for you.

[01:12:45] Speaker 10: Hello, Richard. This is Debra.

[01:12:47] Speaker 3: Hi, Debra.

[01:12:48] Speaker 10: Hi. I got two questions. One would be, when you take mepenamine, how many do you take a day?

[01:12:55] Speaker 3: One, with fat. You have to take it with fat.

[01:12:58] Speaker 10: Okay. And then, um, then the other thing is when you talk about skin fungus, because you know, I have a problem. I've had, I don't know for how long, it maybe started before-

[01:13:09] Speaker 3: Just the question-

[01:13:10] Speaker 10: ... I was assigned-

[01:13:10] Speaker 3: Just the question, please, what is the question?

[01:13:12] Speaker 10: How... What do you use to kill skin fungus? (beep) Do you-

[01:13:21] Speaker 4: Richard, you're on mute.

[01:13:24] Speaker 10: I'm sorry, can you hear me?

[01:13:24] Speaker 4: You're on mute, Richard. He, he's, he's answering, give him just a moment. He went on mute. Give him just a moment, okay?

[01:13:31] Speaker 10: Okay.

[01:13:31] Speaker 11: We can't hear you, Richard.

[01:13:36] Speaker 3: Can you hear me?

[01:13:37] Speaker 11: Yeah, now we can.

[01:13:37] Speaker 4: Yes.

[01:13:38] Speaker 10: Now I-

[01:13:38] Speaker 3: Huh, I had that mic. Uh, skin fungus, vinegar. Vinegar is the best thing for skin fungus. Regular white vinegar, doesn't even have to be apple cider vinegar.

[01:13:49] Speaker 10: Thank you.

[01:13:50] Speaker 3: And you can do it, uh, I mean, you might want to dilute it because it might burn a lot as you apply it, so experiment. Uh, 50/50 full strength. You, you decide what works best.

[01:14:03] Speaker 10: Will ski- will vinegar though destroy the PH, the PH balance in your skin?

[01:14:09] Speaker 3: In vine-

[01:14:10] Speaker 10: 'Cause I thought I read something a long time ago, you know, I'm talking about couple years before, about using, uh, that for, um, issues of the skin.

[01:14:22] Speaker 3: Vinegar doesn't harm your skin. No, not at all.

[01:14:26] Speaker 10: Okay, thank you.

[01:14:28] Speaker 3: Okay.

[01:14:29] Speaker 10: Yep. Appreciate it.

[01:14:31] Speaker 3: Thank you. Who's next, star six?

[01:14:33] Speaker 12: I have a question.

[01:14:35] Speaker 3: Yes.

[01:14:36] Speaker 12: Um, this is Tracy.

[01:14:38] Speaker 4: Hello?

[01:14:38] Speaker 12: I have, um, so I, I had a couple questions. Um, I've been on Fenben now for... Well, my 32 weeks will be up in June. Um, but if I need to stop like say like just for a couple days because I'm just having so much issues, um, is it okay to stop and then come back on or am I just gonna make it completely miserable for myself?

[01:15:04] Speaker 3: Okay. Well, tell me a little bit about what kind of issues you're having.

[01:15:09] Speaker 12: Well, I'm having a lot. Um, I also, I, I've been, I used... I have the diet working, let me say that first. Um, I've been following the diet to a T. Um, I buy that Ezekiel bread. I've been eating it for months. I mean, probably a year that I've been having with you. I've had no issues. But I noticed, um, the past couple days that if I eat that Ezekiel bread now, and I don't know why, I mean, I've not changed grocery stores or anything else, but it seems like that's making me have the crawls again. I don't know how or why. I don't know, maybe, you know, we're... Are, are they putting something else in it?

[01:15:55] Speaker 12: I mean, I, I don't know what's going on, but I mean-

[01:15:58] Speaker 11: So what did they change-

[01:15:58] Speaker 12: ... I know that I'm not eating-

[01:16:00] Speaker 11: ... in the recipe? Can I ask what stage you are on of the diet

[01:16:06] Speaker 12: I'm sorry, I, I couldn't hear you.

[01:16:07] Speaker 3: What, what stage are you on in the diet?

[01:16:10] Speaker 12: Um, I'm between like one, one and a half.

[01:16:13] Speaker 11: Yes.

[01:16:13] Speaker 12: I'm not-

[01:16:13] Speaker 11: That bread, that bread is like late stage two or stage three.

[01:16:19] Speaker 12: I'm sorry, what?

[01:16:21] Speaker 11: Ezekiel bread is late stage two or stage three.

[01:16:26] Speaker 12: But I've been eating it for a year and a half.

[01:16:29] Speaker 3: You've been lucky.

[01:16:30] Speaker 11: And you haven't gotten better yet, right?

[01:16:32] Speaker 3: You've been lucky.

[01:16:34] Speaker 4: Where do you see-

[01:16:35] Speaker 12: Well, I mean, I never felt, I never felt this until like just a couple days ago.

[01:16:41] Speaker 3: You've been lucky.

[01:16:41] Speaker 12: Because... And then, but I really think could it because of the Fenben? Um...

[01:16:47] Speaker 3: What is the issue that you're having that, uh, you're questioning?

[01:16:51] Speaker 11: Maybe though.

[01:16:52] Speaker 12: Well, I'm having a ton of stuff coming out, which is good. Um, but it's driving me crazy. Um-

[01:17:00] Speaker 11: I think it's the Fenben.

[01:17:00] Speaker 12: I also think, I also think-

[01:17:03] Speaker 4: If anything, I think it would be that there's more toxins and everything in the air and food and water and everything now. So maybe what you're fighting is heavier now. Does that make sense?

[01:17:19] Speaker 12: I mean, it could be. I, yeah, I think that one of the things that I think I'm fighting now is before I thought I just had mites. And now with taking the Fenben, I, I'm assuming I got some kind of worms or something too. But, um, I know lately that I've been dealing with, I think, Columella. Now, I don't have it in like my house, it's on, it's in me. And I'm wondering if that's something that I've had for a long time and I just didn't realize that it was Columella.

[01:17:49] Speaker 3: Why do you think-

[01:17:50] Speaker 4: Richard, you know about that.

[01:17:52] Speaker 12: I'm sorry, Richard, I couldn't hear you.

[01:17:54] Speaker 3: What's happening in your nose?

[01:17:56] Speaker 12: I don't have anything in my... I, I, maybe you didn't hear me. I didn't, I didn't say anything. I don't have anything in my nose. What I have is like if I take your NG bath, I'm having white little rice like looking pieces.

[01:18:10] Speaker 3: Great.

[01:18:10] Speaker 12: That-

[01:18:11] Speaker 4: Good.

[01:18:13] Speaker 3: Good.

[01:18:14] Speaker 12: Well, I know it's good, but I think that I'm dealing with a ton of Columella. So is there something else I should be taking or doing?

[01:18:22] Speaker 3: I'd say, I'd say the diet, you need to get rid of the Ezekiel bread first because, uh, how ever you've been getting away with it, uh, we wouldn't, uh, suspect that you could tolerate it, that you could even have it at this point. So I'd say that would be first. And about the Fenben, I'd keep, you know, I'd recommend, uh, keep taking it. I, I don't see that Fenben is gonna be, uh, causing this reaction. Um, you know-

[01:18:49] Speaker 4: You could add essential oils and things like that that may help. Um, since you have the white rice things coming out already, uh, you can add things, you know, to help topically.

[01:19:03] Speaker 12: But I do, I do do topical, um, stuff.

[01:19:07] Speaker 13: Oh, okay.

[01:19:08] Speaker 12: And I do, do do that. Um, the other, I had a... I mean, so if I have the Columbola, if I'm doing... You know, I did the ivermectin and now I'm on the Fenben. Will this kill them too?

[01:19:20] Speaker 3: Well, I can say if you're dealing with Columbola and the diet is working, that would be history. They would be history. If you're disinfecting effectively, they would be history, unless you've recently gotten infected by them somehow, but, uh, are you experiencing itching?

[01:19:38] Speaker 12: Um, I, I'm experiencing crawling. So that's what I'm... So I'm not sure if I'm doing mites or is it the Columbola?

[01:19:45] Speaker 3: It doesn't matter really. If you're making the diet work, uh, it doesn't... Like, (laughs) like Robin said earlier, no matter what it is-

[01:19:54] Speaker 12: Mm-hmm.

[01:19:54] Speaker 3: ... it doesn't matter. You know, this is what you do for it. And, uh-

[01:19:58] Speaker 12: So that's what I'm saying, is that would I be still following the same protocol-

[01:20:03] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[01:20:03] Speaker 12: ... for everything? The, the-

[01:20:04] Speaker 3: Yes. Ba- yeah, basically. Now read chapter four-

[01:20:08] Speaker 12: And-

[01:20:08] Speaker 3: ... because, uh, you know, if you're, if you're dealing with both Morgellons and Columbola, then the diet is a little bit stricter. Like for instance-

[01:20:17] Speaker 12: I don't, I don't have Morgellons, but I do think it's the Columbola and the mites.

[01:20:22] Speaker 3: And the mites. Okay. Well, then, uh, the diet is a more, less restrictive, but I don't know about the Ezekiel bread yet. That would be... Because we question that, that's what we would recommend, you stop immediately, bake your own bread, buy some spelt flour or buck... or, uh, rye flour and, and bake your own bread for, for now, uh, with the recipe that we have in the book. In fact, there are a couple of recipes.

[01:20:48] Speaker 12: Is there anything else, like skin wise, that you can put on, um, that will definitely kill the Columbola or mites that I may not be using?

[01:20:58] Speaker 3: A- a- any of our products. Uh, Super MSM gel or skin lotion, uh, you know, skin creams. Any of them. Uh, spray... We talked about the... Uh, just use the body wipes, the spray, the, uh, uh, the mouthwash solution or, uh-

[01:21:15] Speaker 12: No.

[01:21:15] Speaker 3: ... make up your, make up your own with the, uh, concentrate.

[01:21:20] Speaker 12: Now also the Lufenuron, should I be using the Lufenuron as well?

[01:21:24] Speaker 3: Well, we recommend it, yes. So recommend the Lufenuron and the, and the Fenben. You can do them at the same time. Uh, if you're dealing with mites, did you do the Nitemporam?

[01:21:36] Speaker 12: Yes.

[01:21:37] Speaker 3: Okay. Well then, now, now do you have a w- a way of getting re-infected? Do you have a dog, or a pet, or cat, uh, that, uh-

[01:21:44] Speaker 12: No. I mean, I have a... No, I have a condo. It's clean. We, we-

[01:21:48] Speaker 3: All right.

[01:21:48] Speaker 12: ... clean constantly. We spray-

[01:21:51] Speaker 3: All right then.

[01:21:51] Speaker 12: ... for everything.

[01:21:52] Speaker 3: That's great. Then that's, uh... That limits your, uh, your, uh, possibility of being reinfected from, uh, animals. That, that's good. Uh, so you, you have a very controlled environment there.

[01:22:04] Speaker 12: Well, I noticed when I've been doing this Fenben, it, it just, it's making, like every single thing worse. Like, everything's coming out. I mean, I, I guess that's good, but-

[01:22:16] Speaker 3: Well, that is good. That is good. You know-

[01:22:19] Speaker 12: That-

[01:22:19] Speaker 3: It, it, it's hard for me or Carrie Anne, any of us, or Robin or Sharon, to know what is actually happening. In fact, there's nobody that can figure it out except yourself. For instance, I had a lady write to me, uh, this is a couple of years ago, and she said, "You know, I started Lufeneron." Now most people would get freaked out of their skull if this happened to them. And she said, "After I started Lufeneron, my face got pimply and it got worse. It took over a month, it was pimply, and then it all went away." It was the Lufeneron. She was getting rid of... You know, so, um, I can't, I can't tell you what you do for happening, but I can tell you that detox brings crap out, and it's scary. Uh, one, one of my own coaches went... Uh, started detoxing and had stuff coming out of her stool. It scared the hell out of her.

[01:23:22] Speaker 3: You know-

[01:23:24] Speaker 12: Yeah, it does.

[01:23:25] Speaker 3: You know, uh, so I, I really can't tell you what it is. All I can do is say, uh, go for it. Whatever it is, experiment. Uh, detox can be dangerous. And-

[01:23:40] Speaker 6: I was gonna remind her-

[01:23:42] Speaker 3: That's why...

[01:23:42] Speaker 6: I was gonna remind her to take... Order you some Zeolite in the event it could be die-off or some form of the detox. So do Zeolite, try that, um, if the die-off is too bad for you.

[01:23:56] Speaker 3: Right.

[01:23:56] Speaker 6: And also make sure that you're dehydrating. Get some of the Chasing Miracles.

[01:24:02] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[01:24:02] Speaker 6: Chasing Miracles packet.

[01:24:03] Speaker 12: And, you know-

[01:24:04] Speaker 3: Right.

[01:24:05] Speaker 12: I was wondering if that's what it was, was a little bit of die-off as well. Now, Dimachus Earth, does that also help with the die-off?

[01:24:15] Speaker 3: The Dimachus what?

[01:24:17] Speaker 12: The Dimachus Earth. Does it help with die-off or no?

[01:24:21] Speaker 3: Die, Die, Dimachus Earth? Well-

[01:24:22] Speaker 12: Yeah, the Dimachus Earth, yeah.

[01:24:24] Speaker 3: If you're having die-off-

[01:24:25] Speaker 12: No, not at all.

[01:24:26] Speaker 3: If you're having die-off, there's stuff coming out of your skin, uh, I believe, as Sharon said, it's important to be on Zeolite or on our, uh, digestive enzymes and complete amino acid formula anyway.

[01:24:40] Speaker 12: Yeah.

[01:24:40] Speaker 3: But if you're having die-off coming out of your skin, it's very much like the lady I shared with, with the die-off, with the, uh, uh, fungal infection, when she went on Lufeneron. She just pressed through it. But I'm not a medical doctor. I'm not gonna give you any kind of medical advice. I can just let, let you know that this is how die-off can work. You have to figure out whether or not it's worth it to you or if you wanna back off and take a slower route, but eventually it's gonna have to come out also.

[01:25:13] Speaker 12: Okay. And, um, one other thing I was just gonna say is you guys were talking about, at the very beginning, about the mast cell. Um, I have severe allergies and one of them is to dust mites. And there's times in the middle of the night, I'll wake up at 2:00, 3:00 in the morning, and my heart is pounding. And that is one of the things that I think is actually happening, is that mast cell activation is, is, is moving and doing stuff with the, of course, mites or coloboma, or whatever I'm dealing with. I think that, um, agitates them. So, I'm glad that you spoke to that this, this afternoon.

[01:25:52] Speaker 4: Thank you for sharing that about mast cell and dust mites, because that... Never mind, but that was relevant for me. Thank you.

[01:26:03] Speaker 3: Uh, are you... Are you, uh, disinfecting or spraying your, uh, your bedding, uh, before you go to bed, uh, to deal with the, uh-

[01:26:10] Speaker 12: Oh, yeah.

[01:26:11] Speaker 3: ... dust mites?

[01:26:14] Speaker 12: Actually, we wash everything every single day, um-

[01:26:18] Speaker 3: Okay.

[01:26:18] Speaker 12: ... with ammonia, with, um, the PCTO, and, um, uh, we do everything. There, there's nothing that I'm... I mean, all of my mattress and pillows are plastic-covered and taped. (laughs) Um, so yeah, I, I mean, for the most part, it's just, like, certain times, like if I go somewhere that's just, you know, bad. And even though I come home and shower and do everything, there's sometimes in the middle of the night, something... I don't know. I don't know if they're moving extra or what it is, but I, I know there's something going on. And it has to ha- it has to have something to do with, you know, the parasites that are in there and then your, um, allergy. I, I don't know. I don't have it all figured out.

[01:27:04] Speaker 3: Right.

[01:27:05] Speaker 12: Um, and I do see an allergist. Um, we don't got have any... It's not where near figured out, but they keep giving me the shots for the dust mite allergies.

[01:27:15] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[01:27:15] Speaker 12: And I also have tree allergies, so they do that. But I really think that... 'Cause I just keep getting, I think, worse and worse and worse with the, um, the allergy and immune, everything keeps breaking down. And I don't know, like, do you keep going back and keep getting the shots? But even though you're infected with the parasites, I mean, yeah, I'm a mess sometimes, so...

[01:27:37] Speaker 4: I would not stop the shots if you have a known allergy to dust mites. I would not discontinue those. Is, is that what you're talking about?

[01:27:47] Speaker 12: Yeah.

[01:27:48] Speaker 4: Yeah, I would not... If you have a known allergy, I absolutely would not stop that. I would, I would figure out what else may be the problem.

[01:27:59] Speaker 3: You, you might, uh... You might look up and see what the ingredients are in the shot that he's giving you.

[01:28:07] Speaker 4: Oh, good idea.

[01:28:10] Speaker 12: That's a really good idea.

[01:28:12] Speaker 4: I didn't think of that.

[01:28:13] Speaker 3: I mean, we find some medications are a problem because of the other ingredients that... You know, the pills and tablets. So, you might check out the ingredients.

[01:28:22] Speaker 4: Good thinking, Richard. Wow. (laughs)

[01:28:24] Speaker 12: Yeah, thank you very much.

[01:28:26] Speaker 4: He's doing his homework today. (laughs)

[01:28:26] Speaker 12: I will look into that.

[01:28:28] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[01:28:29] Speaker 12: All right. Well, thank you very much.

[01:28:31] Speaker 3: You're most welcome. Keep coming back. We're glad you're progressing and, uh, part of our program. Thank you. Who's next?

[01:28:38] Speaker 4: Good luck. Hello?

[01:28:40] Speaker 14: Maris in... Maris in Georgia, unless somebody wants to go first.

[01:28:44] Speaker 3: Hello, Maris.

[01:28:47] Speaker 4: Hello.

[01:28:47] Speaker 14: Hey, um, I think somebody else is trying to talk as well.

[01:28:51] Speaker 3: Ro- uh, Robin, can you mute the other people that are talking at-

[01:28:53] Speaker 4: We can hear you. Talk away, lady.

[01:28:55] Speaker 1: I think I unmuted. I don't know-

[01:28:56] Speaker 14: Hello? Oh.

[01:28:58] Speaker 3: Oh, okay. Okay, Maris. Go ahead.

[01:29:01] Speaker 14: Okay. Um, I don't know what PCTO is, that, uh, our last caller mentioned with the laundry.

[01:29:08] Speaker 3: That was Robin. PCTO-

[01:29:09] Speaker 1: I think she meant, um, Cedarcide PCO. It's an organic pesticide that, um, we use as a, uh, laundry additive in the rinse cycle, but it's amazing.

[01:29:25] Speaker 3: You can look it up online.

[01:29:25] Speaker 14: Oh, wow. I've been, I've been on the call since September. Haven't missed one. Well, when I moved in here, I missed one, but I didn't know about this.

[01:29:33] Speaker 3: Yeah, just go online and look up PCO.

[01:29:35] Speaker 1: Me neither.

[01:29:37] Speaker 4: I just learned today.

[01:29:39] Speaker 3: PCTO.

[01:29:39] Speaker 14: I thought it was PCTO.

[01:29:41] Speaker 1: No.

[01:29:41] Speaker 3: No, Robin has covered it several times already, so just check it out online. Thank you. Anything else for her?

[01:29:46] Speaker 14: Okay. I don't know what to google. PTO?

[01:29:49] Speaker 3: PCO.

[01:29:49] Speaker 1: No, so the company is Cedarcide. The product is Cedarcide PCO.

[01:29:57] Speaker 14: PCO, got it. Okay, I do have some questions.

[01:29:59] Speaker 1: And if you sign up for their email list, they will give you discounts.

[01:30:04] Speaker 14: All right. Okay, great. Um, I just want... I, I ordered some powdered neem, and I don't know how much to mix in a smoothie or a drink.

[01:30:13] Speaker 3: I don't know.

[01:30:13] Speaker 1: You ordered what?

[01:30:15] Speaker 3: Powdered neem.

[01:30:16] Speaker 14: Neem.

[01:30:16] Speaker 3: Neem, to put in a smoothie.

[01:30:18] Speaker 14: Neem.

[01:30:18] Speaker 4: I don't know. Wouldn't it be a matter of taste?

[01:30:20] Speaker 1: Well, first of all, because neem has a really strong flavor. So, I would only add-

[01:30:26] Speaker 14: Yeah.

[01:30:26] Speaker 1: ... a teaspoon or, and then maybe a tablespoon. It's very powerful stuff. You don't have to have a lot.

[01:30:33] Speaker 14: Okay.

[01:30:33] Speaker 1: You don't have to have a lot.

[01:30:33] Speaker 14: All right, great.

[01:30:35] Speaker 1: Use something like Stevia, Stievita, or run a richer stevia to sweeten it.

[01:30:41] Speaker 14: Yeah. Yes, I will. Okay, um, and then on the neem spray that we talked about last week, um, are you sure that I can... Are you sure... When I put the neem spray, you said an inch and a half in a 16-ounce bottle. Um, can... Should it be in distilled water?

[01:30:59] Speaker 1: No, I just use regular water, but I also-

[01:31:01] Speaker 14: Regular water, okay.

[01:31:04] Speaker 1: Mix it with an anti-chlorine adder, like bleach.

[01:31:04] Speaker 14: And, but it... But it needs to be mixed... You said mix... You said mix-

[01:31:12] Speaker 10: You said mix it with, uh, with, uh, enzymes. Um, I- I thought the enzymes were very volatile.

[01:31:19] Speaker 3: Uh, Robin, Robin feels like you can mix 'em. I disagree, but you two, you-

[01:31:23] Speaker 10: I disagree too.

[01:31:24] Speaker 15: Well, neem oil, i- it doesn't harm enzymes. It's not like anything that's gonna destroy the enzymes, and I-

[01:31:30] Speaker 10: Oh, okay.

[01:31:31] Speaker 15: That's how I got rid of springtails was mixing clean 'em up zymes and neem oil.

[01:31:39] Speaker 10: I'm going with you, Dianne. I just changed.

[01:31:41] Speaker 15: Neem oil is not a disinfectant. You can't mix enzyme cleaners and disinfectants.

[01:31:45] Speaker 10: Yes, got it. Okay. All right, that's good.

[01:31:50] Speaker 15: Neem oil doesn't do that.

[01:31:50] Speaker 10: And then I just, I just Googled ... I'm going through this rapidly because I know Richard likes for us to move along. Um, the reproductive cycle, I just Googled of, uh, Columbola, Columbola. Um, I, I, I ... Three to five weeks? Is the internet correct on that? I, I mean-

[01:32:06] Speaker 15: What?

[01:32:06] Speaker 10: Because the mites-

[01:32:07] Speaker 15: The what?

[01:32:08] Speaker 10: The mites are three to five days, but how could the Columbola-

[01:32:11] Speaker 3: No, mites are up to 21 days.

[01:32:13] Speaker 10: 21 days?

[01:32:13] Speaker 4: I think it's longer, actually.

[01:32:16] Speaker 10: Really?

[01:32:16] Speaker 3: There, there is a, there, there is a, a very, uh, in-depth, uh, uh, on up blog post on, uh-

[01:32:24] Speaker 10: Uh-huh.

[01:32:24] Speaker 3: ... uh, about Columbola, but, uh, you know.

[01:32:28] Speaker 10: Si.

[01:32:28] Speaker 3: It varies. Let's, let's go on to the next topic.

[01:32:32] Speaker 10: Okay.

[01:32:32] Speaker 15: I have a question.

[01:32:34] Speaker 10: Are we still taking questions?

[01:32:36] Speaker 3: Yes, we are.

[01:32:36] Speaker 15: I have a question.

[01:32:37] Speaker 10: Okay.

[01:32:38] Speaker 3: Okay.

[01:32:38] Speaker 10: All right. This is Deborah, and I've tried three times to ask a question, and I've been waiting, so do you mind, if that person-

[01:32:44] Speaker 3: Please ask.

[01:32:44] Speaker 10: ... mind's waiting?

[01:32:45] Speaker 3: Just ask.

[01:32:45] Speaker 10: Is that okay?

[01:32:46] Speaker 3: Just ask.

[01:32:46] Speaker 10: Okay. Go ahead, Debra I, I got a coup- ... I do have a couple questions, just so you know. The first one is rosemary, as an herb, because it's not allowed in this diet, is it never allowed once you're in st

[01:32:58] Speaker 3: No.

[01:32:58] Speaker 10: Wait, let me finish.

[01:32:58] Speaker 3: Well, maybe at stage three, you can have anything you want, but that, uh ... you have to figure that out.

[01:33:02] Speaker 10: That's what I mean. I mean, not until after stage three, or stage three diet.

[01:33:06] Speaker 3: Okay. Your next question, please.

[01:33:08] Speaker 10: Um, but, uh ... Yeah, more, more questions. Now, I was told you can drink lemonade in stage one with stevia if it's real lemon. Is that true?

[01:33:16] Speaker 15: Yes.

[01:33:16] Speaker 3: Yes.

[01:33:17] Speaker 10: Okay. Then, you have a recipe in the book for chocolate cake. You can do stage one with it, and you can't add vanilla unless you're in stage two. Is that correct?

[01:33:28] Speaker 3: Most likely stage three, perhaps stage two, I don't know.

[01:33:31] Speaker 15: As long as different.

[01:33:32] Speaker 10: Or, or don't even use ... Don't even make it at all until you're in stage three?

[01:33:35] Speaker 3: Don't, don't even use the vanilla. I don't, I don't use vanilla.

[01:33:38] Speaker 10: No, okay. I, I ... Probably not until stage three or later?

[01:33:41] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[01:33:42] Speaker 10: Or not at all?

[01:33:44] Speaker 3: Well, it's up to you. Stage three or never.

[01:33:46] Speaker 10: Yeah, okay. And then, let me look and see if there's any ... Can you eat ... I know pancakes are recommended as a, um, uh, dessert in st- in, you know, stage two. But can you eat pancakes if ... You know, you eat ... I eat the rice, uh, gluten-free pancakes. Um, can you eat that in stage one if you just use stevia and, like, cinnamon, or not?

[01:34:09] Speaker 15: You mean rice flour?

[01:34:11] Speaker 10: Uh, rice, rice pancakes. Uh, I buy the Bob's Red Mill pancake flour. I don't know if there's sugar in here, though. I'm gonna look. Um ...

[01:34:20] Speaker 15: Rice?

[01:34:21] Speaker 10: Oh, it's got five grams of sugar, so that wouldn't be allowed in stage one, would it?

[01:34:25] Speaker 15: No.

[01:34:26] Speaker 10: No. If you made your own rice pan- pancake flour from scratch, could you do that?

[01:34:31] Speaker 3: Okay.

[01:34:32] Speaker 15: Yeah.

[01:34:32] Speaker 3: Use, use a half a cup of, uh, rye flour, an egg and some baking soda, and mix it up, and, uh, that's a pancake.

[01:34:41] Speaker 10: Okay.

[01:34:41] Speaker 15: But, but rice flour is ... has a higher sugar content. Like, I couldn't eat rice flour in stage one.

[01:34:46] Speaker 3: I said rye flour. Rye.

[01:34:48] Speaker 10: Right.

[01:34:49] Speaker 15: Oh, rye.

[01:34:49] Speaker 10: Oh, rye, right. Oh, well, can ... I'll try it with spelt, because I made my first breads yesterday with the spelt flour.

[01:34:55] Speaker 3: Spelt is great. Spelt is good.

[01:34:57] Speaker 10: That's a good rice. Good.

[01:34:58] Speaker 3: Okay, thank you.

[01:34:58] Speaker 10: Great. One more thing. Wait, one more thing I think I had. Uh, I wanted to ask about the zeolite she talked about earlier. What is zeolite used for, and how do you get it?

[01:35:09] Speaker 3: You get it on Amazon. I don't know which one is best, but you have to ... It's a pick and a poke, and, uh, can't give you any more advice than that.

[01:35:16] Speaker 10: Can anybody recommend it?

[01:35:17] Speaker 15: I want to ask a question.

[01:35:18] Speaker 10: What is it used for?

[01:35:19] Speaker 4: Uh, Sharon recommended it. Right, Sharon?

[01:35:22] Speaker 15: That's what it's used for.

[01:35:24] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[01:35:24] Speaker 10: For, for what? What was it used for?

[01:35:26] Speaker 3: For detox. For, for detoxing.

[01:35:28] Speaker 10: Oh, det-

[01:35:28] Speaker 15: Detox.

[01:35:28] Speaker 4: Yeah, detox. Detoxing.

[01:35:31] Speaker 10: Okay.

[01:35:31] Speaker 15: Mineralizing detoxing so that you don't have extreme symptoms.

[01:35:35] Speaker 10: Yeah. Well-

[01:35:35] Speaker 4: I've heard good things about it. I can tell you that. Yeah, it's good.

[01:35:39] Speaker 10: And what is zeolite exactly? Does anyone know? Is it just a detox formula?

[01:35:44] Speaker 3: It's just, uh, you know, the chemical is a ... It's an aluminum compound that doesn't bind with anything in your body, so it's completely safe. And aside from that, you just have to do the research, because zeol-

[01:35:55] Speaker 10: Right.

[01:35:56] Speaker 3: Okay?

[01:35:57] Speaker 10: Right. Does anybody know how long you'd use it for for detox?

[01:36:01] Speaker 3: As long as you might detox, okay?

[01:36:03] Speaker 10: Okay.

[01:36:04] Speaker 3: You have to address-

[01:36:05] Speaker 4: Who posted the Morgellons group? They'll answer you. We c- he can't answer, but if you post it in a group, some knowledgeable people will see it. Like Morgellons Uncensored. Go there and post it.

[01:36:18] Speaker 10: Thank you.

[01:36:20] Speaker 4: I bet they'll answer.

[01:36:22] Speaker 10: (laughs)

[01:36:22] Speaker 3: Sure, okay. All right, next question.

[01:36:26] Speaker 15: I've been sleeping on a couch for about three years, and I quit. I'm now on an air mattress. I do use the cushions, but the cushions are wrapped in plastic and duct tape. Um, and I've been doing so much better. And I moved to a different room 'cause it used to have carpet. I've ripped the carpet out. But my next question is, when I get new flooring and I go back to my bedroom, can I spray that couch down with ammonia and still use it, or should I destroy it and throw it out and go to, like, a wooden platform bed with a mattress that's covered in a, a vinyl zippered mattress bag, that sort of thing?

[01:37:07] Speaker 3: What do you think, Robin?

[01:37:09] Speaker 15: I think if you've been sleeping on it and infecting it for three years, get rid of it.Get rid of it. Okay, that's, that, I was-

[01:37:16] Speaker 3: I agree.

[01:37:16] Speaker 15: Yeah, that's, that's what I was leaning towards. I was leaning towards getting out my reciprocating saw and tearing it to pieces, and putting it in the dumpster.

[01:37:26] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[01:37:26] Speaker 15: Because I live in a condo, and getting it down to the edge of the street, first of all, I don't want to put my couch outside where people walk their dogs past it.

[01:37:37] Speaker 3: Right.

[01:37:37] Speaker 15: Um, uh, getting rid of it is, is a huge project. It's a chore. It, it's a dilemma. It's a brain teaser. I'm trying to figure out how to get rid of this thing without affecting other people.

[01:37:49] Speaker 1: Well, no, okay, wait, wait, wait, wait. Um, you can buy a giant plastic couch bag that they sell, like, anywhere. Uh, they used to sell them at Walmarts for, for storage. They sell these giant bags for furniture. They have them for chairs and couches. And you just cover the couch in that, tape it up, and then put it out with your garbage, and maybe you'll have to pay an extra fee.

[01:38:17] Speaker 15: Yeah, so, uh, well, I live in a condo that's high rise, so I live on the third floor, so I've got to get it down two flights of stairs and-

[01:38:25] Speaker 1: So, so you're higher-

[01:38:26] Speaker 15: ... through the front parking lot down to the curb. It's just, you have no idea-

[01:38:30] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[01:38:30] Speaker 15: ... how difficult it would be to get it down to the curb.

[01:38:32] Speaker 3: Well, all right then, let's look at-

[01:38:32] Speaker 1: It would be a lot easier to hire a person to carry it down, two guys to take it down the stairs than to get a saw and cut it up into pieces.

[01:38:41] Speaker 15: Yeah, okay.

[01:38:42] Speaker 3: Let's look at, let's look at the alternative. Have you attempted to disinfect it?

[01:38:46] Speaker 15: Well, I have. I, I, I haven't been sleeping on it in months, and I feel so much better. And I'm kind of scared of the thing.

[01:38:54] Speaker 1: They never die.

[01:38:57] Speaker 15: Right. It's, it's just, I, I'm thinking about get, trying to figure out a way to get it out of my condo, just get it out.

[01:39:05] Speaker 3: Well, okay. If you've g- if you've given up on disinfecting it, then that's the next answer. Uh, get rid of it.

[01:39:09] Speaker 15: Just get rid of it. Okay. All right. And cinnamon, can we, can we have cinnamon in stage one?

[01:39:15] Speaker 1: Yes.

[01:39:15] Speaker 3: Cinnamon you can have in stage one. And, uh, you know, the more I read about the cinnamon, uh, the best is Ceylon cinnamon, the Cassia cinnamon. I see more and more about it being a problem with your liver, and they move away from that. But, uh ...

[01:39:33] Speaker 15: Okay. Say, Ceylon cinnamon. Okay.

[01:39:37] Speaker 3: Ceylon. C-E-Y-L-O-N. It's in our, uh-

[01:39:40] Speaker 15: Okay.

[01:39:41] Speaker 3: ... berberine. Uh, we have berberine-

[01:39:44] Speaker 1: Oh, yes.

[01:39:44] Speaker 3: ... Ceylon capsules for, uh, blood sugar issues. Thank you.

[01:39:48] Speaker 15: Okay.

[01:39:49] Speaker 3: Who's next?

[01:39:49] Speaker 15: Thank you.

[01:39:50] Speaker 3: You're welcome. Keep coming back. I like 'em short like this.

[01:39:53] Speaker 15: Thank you, I will.

[01:39:54] Speaker 3: Thanks. Okay, who's next?

[01:39:57] Speaker 9: Hello?

[01:39:58] Speaker 3: Hi. Your first name, please. Where-

[01:40:02] Speaker 9: Hello?

[01:40:03] Speaker 3: Hello, can hear you. Your first name and where you're from.

[01:40:05] Speaker 9: Hello?

[01:40:06] Speaker 3: Hello. Can you

[01:40:09] Speaker 9: Hello?

[01:40:10] Speaker 1: Yes, we hear you.

[01:40:13] Speaker 3: She can't hear us.

[01:40:14] Speaker 9: Can you hear me?

[01:40:15] Speaker 1: Yes. Yes.

[01:40:18] Speaker 3: This is why we don't have phones for our second, first segment.

[01:40:22] Speaker 9: I have a question.

[01:40:22] Speaker 3: Yes.

[01:40:23] Speaker 1: Okay.

[01:40:26] Speaker 3: What is your question?

[01:40:28] Speaker 9: Can you hear me, Richard?

[01:40:30] Speaker 3: I can hear you.

[01:40:33] Speaker 9: Hi. I have a question.

[01:40:35] Speaker 3: What is it, please?

[01:40:38] Speaker 9: Okay. I, um, um, is, um, uh, oregano oil, um, good on stage one?

[01:40:50] Speaker 3: Amen. Yes, very good.

[01:40:54] Speaker 9: Uh, oregano oil.

[01:40:55] Speaker 3: Yes.

[01:40:55] Speaker 9: And black seed oil?

[01:40:58] Speaker 3: Black seed oil, I don't know.

[01:41:01] Speaker 1: I, I don't think black seed oil, but I'm not sure about that.

[01:41:05] Speaker 9: It, it says, it, it, it penetrates the cells of the, the bugs or whatever to kill it.

[01:41:14] Speaker 1: Well, you can try it. Some things that work on things are actually bugs first.

[01:41:17] Speaker 9: I have. I've been trying, and I've been impro- ... I, I, I've been doing it for two weeks, and I feel like stuff is coming out of my skin like you would not believe, and I'm feeling better.

[01:41:32] Speaker 3: Okay, good.

[01:41:33] Speaker 1: Well, then that's your answer.

[01:41:33] Speaker 3: So, you've answered your question. Do you have another question?

[01:41:37] Speaker 9: Okay, I didn't know if it was ...

[01:41:40] Speaker 3: We don't know everything.

[01:41:41] Speaker 9: Yeah.

[01:41:41] Speaker 3: You, that's how we learn. We learn from you.

[01:41:45] Speaker 9: Yeah. And I have another question.

[01:41:48] Speaker 3: Yes.

[01:41:48] Speaker 9: Are the ladies having issues with their private sections of their bodies?

[01:41:58] Speaker 3: What?

[01:41:58] Speaker 1: Many people have issues with that.

[01:42:01] Speaker 3: I didn't get the question. Hello?

[01:42:04] Speaker 9: Hello?

[01:42:05] Speaker 1: She want-

[01:42:06] Speaker 9: Yes.

[01:42:06] Speaker 1: That, parasites affect every inch of your body.

[01:42:11] Speaker 9: Okay. So, is, I have been doing, um, vinegar douches. Is that good?

[01:42:22] Speaker 3: Sure. Absolutely. Add some Nature's Gift to it.

[01:42:27] Speaker 9: And Nature's Gift, and I also found out that, um, I believe, I forgot what it's, um, it's a, it's, uh, uh, um, like a, you can, it, put ... How do I say this? Um, it's a, it's a-

[01:42:50] Speaker 1: Monostat.

[01:42:50] Speaker 9: It's a, it's like a, uh, uh, uh ...

[01:42:53] Speaker 1: Monostat.

[01:42:54] Speaker 9: You can insert it. Uh, used for women. You can insert it.

[01:43:00] Speaker 1: Monostat. May be used?

[01:43:03] Speaker 9: Boric, it's boric acid.

[01:43:07] Speaker 1: Monostat.

[01:43:07] Speaker 9: Oh, what is it?

[01:43:09] Speaker 1: Monostat.

[01:43:10] Speaker 3: Boric acid. Yes, you can-

[01:43:11] Speaker 1: Yes, you can control their lives. I'm sorry.

[01:43:13] Speaker 9: Boric, okay, boric acid, and that's ... Okay. I have been doing that and that seems to help.

[01:43:20] Speaker 3: Great.

[01:43:20] Speaker 16: That works.

[01:43:21] Speaker 3: That would work, too. Yeah.

[01:43:23] Speaker 16: Okay, thank you. Thank you, so thank you, Richard-

[01:43:26] Speaker 3: Thank you, Sharon.

[01:43:26] Speaker 16: ... for your book. Thank you very much for everybody's your book.

[01:43:29] Speaker 3: Thank you for sharing and being part of our program.

[01:43:32] Speaker 16: Bless you.

[01:43:33] Speaker 9: May I ask who's next?

[01:43:34] Speaker 10: Richard, I have a comment about her black seed oil and her, um, oregano oil.

[01:43:39] Speaker 9: Speak from, speak from your experience.

[01:43:40] Speaker 10: This is Deborah. Yeah, here, it is experienced because I have used it in the past, but I, I went off of it because I've been on so many medications for the past few years. But I recently read about a month ago, they were talking about the use of oregano oil and black seed oil that is, um, actually very good for par... a- antiparasitic. It breaks down something in the parasites. I'm gonna try maybe going back on-

[01:44:05] Speaker 16: Yeah.

[01:44:05] Speaker 10: ... uh, oregano. But if you take oregano, I'm gonna give you advice from my experience and knowledge 'cause I helped a friend that had cancer with it also. Uh, the oregano oil, uh, is sold by, uh, Great Northern American Herb Company, formula P73. You can take that daily. Take one or two of those daily. Where regular oregano oil will upset your stomach and cause trouble with your digestive system. So, if you're gonna take oregano oil it's a very small capsule sold by North American Herb and Spice. But remember, it's a gel, so you might have to try to figure out how to get the oil out of it, or they do sell a tincture. You can buy the drops and just take the drops and it... that's the formula you want to use, if you want to use oregano oil regularly.

[01:44:51] Speaker 3: We got it. What's next?

[01:44:52] Speaker 9: What was the question?

[01:44:55] Speaker 3: She was just commenting, she was sharing her experience. Uh, who has the next question, please?

[01:45:00] Speaker 9: Okay.

[01:45:01] Speaker 14: I have a question. Um, Maris, I just didn't get to finish, um, when it was my turn. Um, I, for some reason I've got a question that says, "Can we fry in mustard oil?" Can we cook in mustard oil?

[01:45:16] Speaker 3: I don't know about mustard oil. You have to experiment. I mean, you have any experience with that, Robin?

[01:45:23] Speaker 1: No, but the safest oil to use is the rice bran oil.

[01:45:27] Speaker 14: Yes, I'm using that, right. And then one last thing, I know it's not in the book, um, but I'm wondering, uh, I know we can use cinnamon. Can we use nutmeg or, or do they like nutmeg?

[01:45:39] Speaker 3: I, I don't know. If it's not listed...

[01:45:42] Speaker 1: Nutmeg is okay.

[01:45:42] Speaker 3: What's that?

[01:45:44] Speaker 1: Nutmeg is okay.

[01:45:44] Speaker 3: Nutmeg is okay?

[01:45:45] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[01:45:45] Speaker 14: Nutmeg is so bitter, you know, but it also helps you sleep, and it's-

[01:45:50] Speaker 3: Right.

[01:45:50] Speaker 14: Okay, great. Thank you. That's it. Love y'all.

[01:45:52] Speaker 3: Okay, who's next? Who's R6?

[01:45:55] Speaker 17: Uh, Melanie.

[01:45:56] Speaker 3: Hi, Melanie.

[01:45:57] Speaker 17: Hi, um, I was just suggesting what about using Monistat? That would be an easy thing for the, um, nether regions, if you're a woman.

[01:46:06] Speaker 1: Go ahead, Carrie, that's Melanie. Hi, Carrie.

[01:46:11] Speaker 3: Well, I was just going-

[01:46:13] Speaker 1: I just want to say hi to Melanie.

[01:46:15] Speaker 17: Hi, Carrie. Yeah, uh, Monistat helps a lot and that's over-the-counter.

[01:46:20] Speaker 3: Okay. All right, thank you. Uh, and, and, uh-

[01:46:23] Speaker 17: What is that?

[01:46:24] Speaker 3: And thank you for posting last night the, uh, uh, prior to the, uh, the podcast episode. Thank you for sharing.

[01:46:31] Speaker 17: A- absolutely.

[01:46:32] Speaker 3: Thank you.

[01:46:32] Speaker 17: Monistat, is that what it was? Yeah, you could not... They used to make you get a prescription back in the day

[01:46:39] Speaker 1: You can buy it over the counter now. You can get it over the counter.

[01:46:41] Speaker 3: Yeah, she said that.

[01:46:42] Speaker 17: Yeah.

[01:46:43] Speaker 3: Okay.

[01:46:43] Speaker 1: Or yeast infections.

[01:46:44] Speaker 14: The tongue wash, the body wash.

[01:46:46] Speaker 17: Yeah.

[01:46:46] Speaker 3: I mean, you have, you have options here. You can do the, uh, vinegar and the Nature's Gift and the, uh, the boric acid and Monistat. You got a lot of options. Okay.

[01:46:57] Speaker 14: I use them all.

[01:46:57] Speaker 17: Antifungal, right?

[01:46:59] Speaker 14: The body wash, like Sharon says. Yep.

[01:47:01] Speaker 3: And Sharon's got something there. What do you got there, Sharon?

[01:47:03] Speaker 17: Oh, wow. Look at you go, Sharon. She's got it on the spot.

[01:47:09] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[01:47:09] Speaker 1: You're muted.

[01:47:11] Speaker 3: Okay.

[01:47:12] Speaker 14: It's Monistat Maintain Feminine Cleanser with boric acid.

[01:47:17] Speaker 3: There you go. All right. That's an option.

[01:47:20] Speaker 17: Thank you, Sharon. Thank you so much.

[01:47:22] Speaker 3: That's great.

[01:47:23] Speaker 14: Very welcome. And there's also, they also have boric acid suppositories that I use.

[01:47:29] Speaker 3: Okay.

[01:47:30] Speaker 17: Good to know. Thank you.

[01:47:32] Speaker 3: We'll have, we'll have to have a session on the women's corner and I'll step out.

[01:47:37] Speaker 17: Richard's getting uncomfortable. (laughs)

[01:47:41] Speaker 3: Who's next? Anyone else have a question?

[01:47:46] Speaker 17: Um, I'd, I'd like to add something.

[01:47:48] Speaker 3: Sure.

[01:47:50] Speaker 17: Uh, this is Melanie. Uh, one of the other things that you might want to do is, uh, use a, a pad and neem powder or use neem cream will help a lot also.

[01:48:00] Speaker 3: Okay.

[01:48:01] Speaker 17: Good idea, girl.

[01:48:03] Speaker 3: Somebody has to put all these ideas in one email for me.

[01:48:05] Speaker 1: I, I want to say, um, the oregano cap- vitamins or capsules, if they have olive oil in them, they are going to make things worse.

[01:48:16] Speaker 17: Ooh.

[01:48:18] Speaker 1: You have to read these ingredients.

[01:48:20] Speaker 3: Got to read the ingredients.

[01:48:22] Speaker 1: Yep. Okay.

[01:48:23] Speaker 17: There you go.

[01:48:25] Speaker 1: So, just saying.

[01:48:28] Speaker 3: All right, anyone else with a question?

[01:48:30] Speaker 1: Richard, I have to say, I have a, I have a, um, virtual doctor appointment in one minute.

[01:48:35] Speaker 3: Okay.

[01:48:35] Speaker 1: So I'm going to have to stop the recording and then you got, you can do whatever comes next.

[01:48:40] Speaker 3: All right, then.

[01:48:41] Speaker 1: I have to go. I'm sorry about that.

[01:48:44] Speaker 3: All right. Thank you, and, um, thank you. See you next week.

[01:48:48] Speaker 1: Yes. Absolutely.

[01:48:48] Speaker 3: Okay, so we're still here.