[00:00] Speaker 1: (instrumental music plays) Welcome, welcome, welcome everyone to Whiplash Talk. This is Sunshine, and it is a fabulous day today, and I'm so excited to be here with you. I have two of my favorite friends with me. One is, one is with her family. Birdie is, is with her family. But I've got Rob and Shane. You guys here with me?

[01:36] Speaker 2: I'm here. I don't know... Sh- that's no excuse, though. She should be here, you know? It's... (laughs)

[01:42] Speaker 1: (laughs) Ah, no, we're gonna let her go play with her family.

[01:46] Speaker 2: Okay, okay.

[01:47] Speaker 1: Okay, okay. I know, we miss her though. She hasn't been on for a while.

[01:50] Speaker 2: Maybe next week.

[01:51] Speaker 1: So Rob, how's the new job? Tell me.

[01:53] Speaker 2: It's, it's going good. I still have it. I didn't get fired, so...

[01:56] Speaker 1: (laughs) Oh my gosh, stop.

[01:58] Speaker 2: (laughs) Well, because th- and I, I don't know if I told you, but I blew up the pump on the truck, so the truck-

[02:02] Speaker 1: You did? (laughs)

[02:02] Speaker 2: ... was down for... Yeah, so the, the, the truck was down for a week, and like, you know, it's not that big of a deal, but like, that production is not being done. And um, and then it happened again, and I was like, I, I, uh, I just turned it off and walked away, and I went and found a guy who'd been there for 16 years, and I was like, "Dude, I, I didn't... I, I'm not dealing with this truck again." And I was like, "It stopped doing...

[02:24] Speaker 2: getting pressure," and I'm like, "I'm not gonna do what I did last time, so could you come look at it with me?"

[02:29] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[02:29] Speaker 2: And uh, he's like-

[02:30] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[02:30] Speaker 2: ... "Fine, yeah."

[02:30] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[02:30] Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I just turned it off, and I didn't, you know, mess any valves, and uh, and he couldn't figure it out. And then he ended up doing what I did.

[02:38] Speaker 1: Uh-huh.

[02:39] Speaker 2: And I was like, "Oh, no." And I'm like-

[02:40] Speaker 1: Oh, no.

[02:41] Speaker 2: ... "Man, this is not good, man." Like, I, doesn't matter who screwed the truck up, like now I'm gonna be ha- have-

[02:46] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[02:46] Speaker 2: ... if, if it takes another week to, to get the truck back. But this guy knew how to fix it, so he's like, "Well..." He's like, "I have the spare part." He's like, "Let's see if we can fix it." And so I watched him fix it.

[02:55] Speaker 1: Nice.

[02:55] Speaker 2: And I was like, "Dude, where were you last week? We had the truck for a week, and it took you an hour and 15 minutes, and we're up and running again." Like, so...

[03:02] Speaker 1: Nice.

[03:03] Speaker 2: Yeah. So I didn't get fired.

[03:04] Speaker 1: Nice.

[03:04] Speaker 2: So I'm... (laughs) It's amazing.

[03:06] Speaker 1: No, and-

[03:07] Speaker 2: And w-

[03:07] Speaker 1: ... and look who Source put in your path to where now you'll know how to fix it.

[03:10] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the good thing.

[03:12] Speaker 1: That's pretty cool.

[03:12] Speaker 2: But also, you know what? Supposedly we're getting a new, a new pump, uh, to go on the truck, like brand new. This one's like 30 years old, uh, at least, so...

[03:20] Speaker 1: Hmm.

[03:21] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[03:21] Speaker 1: May- maybe, maybe it, maybe it wants to retire.

[03:24] Speaker 2: I think it, that's what it's telling me. It's like, "Rob, get me-"

[03:26] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[03:26] Speaker 2: "... get me the F out of here, man. I'm done."

[03:28] Speaker 1: (laughs) "I'm done. I don't wanna pump anymore."

[03:31] Speaker 2: Yeah, so, you know, I was just running CLS clearings, driving around the city, spreading light, talking to trees all week. It was amazing, and like-

[03:38] Speaker 1: (clears throat)

[03:38] Speaker 2: ... I get to, I get to see suc- such beautiful, uh, backyards. Like yesterday-

[03:42] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[03:42] Speaker 2: ... this one lady had beautiful, beautiful trees, and um, and her, the way her yard was, it like backed onto a ravine down into like-

[03:50] Speaker 1: Mmm.

[03:50] Speaker 2: ... just this beautiful forest, and the trees here are so tall. And I was like, "Ah, man." I was like, "I just wanna stay here a little bit longer, but..." (laughs)

[03:57] Speaker 1: Gotta go.

[03:58] Speaker 2: Gotta go, yep. Gotta get the numbers.

[04:01] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[04:01] Speaker 2: They want the numbers. It's all about the numbers still, apparently.

[04:03] Speaker 1: That's funny. That's funny.

[04:05] Speaker 2: Yeah. How was your week?

[04:05] Speaker 1: In my place... It was good. It was a good week. Uh, you know, some opportunities arose, and that's fine, and that's, you know, part of, you know, growing and learning and going, and that kind of thing. But...

[04:15] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[04:15] Speaker 1: It was good, but I was gonna say, in Oklahoma, I think I may have mentioned this before, one of the gentlemen that did some work on my yard, he, he named... He lived in the same neighborhood I lived in-

[04:26] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[04:26] Speaker 1: ... and he nicknamed the back- my backyard The Shire-

[04:29] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[04:29] Speaker 1: ... because he says, "You have the best backyard." And so when you describe that backyard, I'm like, it kinda makes me, "Aw." You know? It's like, "Aw." Because it was such a peaceful, beautiful place, so I understand what you're saying. You walk back there and it's like, it's like, it's like you stepped into a new dimension. It's like, "Okay."

[04:45] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.

[04:46] Speaker 1: "Close out the matrix," and like, "I am, I am on another plane." Yeah.

[04:50] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[04:50] Speaker 1: It was nice.

[04:51] Speaker 2: For, for sure that one, that's how it was, because there's no houses on the opposite side. It's just all forest and so-

[04:55] Speaker 1: Nice, yep.

[04:56] Speaker 2: ... you know, like beautiful ravine, and I was like, "Ah, man. That looks like the passage way to Narnia." (laughs)

[05:01] Speaker 1: (laughs) You're like, "Where's the wardrobe?" (laughs)

[05:03] Speaker 2: Yeah, I said, I said that to one of the clients this week, and they were just laughing at it, and, and he, 'cause I was coming out of his bushes, and he's like-

[05:09] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[05:09] Speaker 2: ... he's like, "Hey, how's it going?" I'm like, "Not bad, just back from Narnia." And he started-

[05:13] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[05:15] Speaker 2: ... laughing.

[05:15] Speaker 1: That's awesome.

[05:16] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[05:16] Speaker 1: At least he, at least he got it, right?

[05:18] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

[05:19] Speaker 1: That's so funny. Well, good. Shane, you're being quiet. How are you? How was your week?

[05:25] Speaker 3: Um, my week's fantastic. It's, it's still going. It's always going.

[05:30] Speaker 1: Yep.

[05:30] Speaker 3: Uh, just, uh, being able to connect with a bunch of, of people that are on this journey, and-

[05:34] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[05:35] Speaker 3: ... there's a lot of people taking time away right now, and, and even myself, you know, just, uh, removing self from, from any outside frequencies, and allowing-

[05:45] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[05:45] Speaker 3: ... you know, some clarity to come through for us. And uh...

[05:49] Speaker 1: Yep.

[05:50] Speaker 3: ... once you start to see that pattern, you know, you, you can start to see what's happening, what's going on, and you know-

[05:55] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[05:55] Speaker 3: ... I've got a lot of phone calls from people, you know, thinking that they're being attacked, and it's not so much, it's not so much of an attack, you know. I try to help, help them think that. But um...You know, you know, it's been, it's been a, it's been an eye-opening week for me and I think-

[06:09] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[06:09] Speaker 3: ... for a lot of people and-

[06:10] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[06:11] Speaker 3: ... um, it's just, it's been, it's been beautiful and I hope everybody on this journey is staying in peace energy. Um-

[06:18] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[06:20] Speaker 3: ... that's, that's-

[06:20] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[06:20] Speaker 3: ... where I'm at right now.

[06:22] Speaker 4: That's good.

[06:22] Speaker 3: I'm doing my best to stay there too, right?

[06:24] Speaker 4: Right, right. You mean you're not perfect? (laughs)

[06:27] Speaker 3: Oh, no, no.

[06:28] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[06:28] Speaker 3: No, no. If, if you're perfect on this journey, then you're not-

[06:33] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[06:33] Speaker 3: ... experiencing the journey correctly.

[06:35] Speaker 4: (laughs) That's good.

[06:36] Speaker 2: Well, and that's the thing-

[06:37] Speaker 4: That's good.

[06:37] Speaker 2: ... because it's, it's really tough to maintain peace energy when you're out in the mind matrix, right? Because everybody's-

[06:43] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[06:43] Speaker 2: ... not everybody's there, and it's just, like, even, you can f- like, I'm getting really good, um, you know, Shane talked about attacks and, and I, I don't, I try not to use that term as well or, or at least even mention it to other people-

[06:55] Speaker 3: Right.

[06:55] Speaker 4: Right.

[06:55] Speaker 2: ... if, if it is happening. I just-

[06:56] Speaker 4: Right.

[06:57] Speaker 2: ... don't, try not to-

[06:57] Speaker 4: Right.

[06:57] Speaker 2: ... give it any excess attention. But I can feel, you know, well, we won't talk about invisible, (laughs) otherworld entities or anything like that, but I can feel psychic attack energy from others now.

[07:08] Speaker 4: Mm.

[07:09] Speaker 2: And, and my body is... It's, it's more my body than my mind. And, and, like, I've always been, um... I think most people are, even though we don't know it. But, uh, you know, I had an example with having a discussion, we'll say, not an argument, with a friend. And I was like, "Well, you're using tone with me." And they were like, "There's no tone." And I was like, "Well, I know what tone is and I-"

[07:28] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[07:28] Speaker 2: "... and I can hear it, so there's tone. Like, this is... I'm using tone right now." Like-

[07:31] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[07:31] Speaker 2: ... so you, you, you can tell s- like, you know, you, somebody can say things, like, passive aggressively or-

[07:36] Speaker 4: Right.

[07:36] Speaker 2: ... whatever you want it, however you want to frame it, right? But- Mm-hmm ... my body is, I think, more so than, like, my ears or anything, but my body's becoming consciously aware when somebody's psychic a- attacking me. Even if it's not something, like, they're, they might not be, um, like, verbally abusing me or anything. Even just a mental opposition to something I said or, like, "No, I don't-

[07:56] Speaker 4: Yep.

[07:56] Speaker 2: "... wanna do that now." And they're like, "Well, you know..." And, and you, I can just feel it and my body's like, "Okay, this is, this is not a good place to be right now." (laughs)

[08:04] Speaker 4: Right, right, right.

[08:05] Speaker 2: You know?

[08:06] Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, working-

[08:07] Speaker 2: What-

[08:07] Speaker 4: ... with the public. Go ahead. Go ahead, Shane.

[08:09] Speaker 3: No. Well, I was just gonna say with, with Rob, what I'm, what I'm hearing is Rob's learning his capabilities and his gift and he's recognizing... He's having a shift in awareness of recognizing when others are-

[08:20] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[08:21] Speaker 3: ... mentioning or thoughts run through their mind about Rob. Uh, uh, and, and, and I wanna, I wanna go back to this. So just Rob, Rob when... And I, and I... This was an experience that I had, and I'm gonna use the example of me, is I would wake up every morning and I would connect with the Earth and I would stare at the sun and I would let the s- source energy, light energy flow through me, through my heart, and into the Earth.

[08:49] Speaker 3: And I, honest, I started playing with the fact that, okay, while I'm doing this and I'm wanting to send healing energies to people, um, even people that, mm, aren't aware-

[09:03] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[09:03] Speaker 3: ... and/or people that do not want to receive my energy-

[09:07] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[09:07] Speaker 3: ... I'm still trying to force that energy onto them because I want them to be better. Well, it's just a part of my experience is one of those people, you know, was someone close to me, was my stepfather, and so I would put him in my heart, sending him heartfelt energies of love. Now, I started recognizing a pattern. He was receiving something through... He was receiving that, those energies and he was then, even though it was coming from me for love, when it hit him, he was transmitting it into what I relate to him in his life right now emotionally, that attachment within him, and that was creating in his reality a negative experience in his reality.

[09:53] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[09:53] Speaker 3: And how I found that out was I was, I would call my mom and I would talk to her, and I started recognizing patterns that every time that I did that, a few hours later he would just send me some god-awful text message, right?

[10:04] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[10:04] Speaker 3: And I started recognizing that pattern. I'm like, "You know what? This is working, but why is he receiving it in this way?"

[10:11] Speaker 4: Mm.

[10:11] Speaker 3: So I asked... When I did, when I asked that, I asked Spirit, I said, "Spirit, why is he receiving in this no- in this way?

[10:18] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[10:18] Speaker 3: Why am I getting this reaction to something that I'm sending positively?" And the answer is, "He's receiving energies from me. He is just converting that positive energy into an emotional attachment of what he has with me right now in this reality." And it was affecting him. And my mom said, "Please just stop doing that because it really affects him." So when I, when I started a- and, and then I went back to what Q was saying is, you really have to a-, you really have to get permission from people-

[10:52] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[10:54] Speaker 3: ... to, to say a prayer, to, to send energies, to want something better for them. And you have to be careful with it, especially when you start to realize how positive or how powerful we can be, right? Because we are, right, we are of the light-

[11:09] Speaker 4: Right.

[11:09] Speaker 3: ... right? So we are light and then we are creators, so we are of creation, right? And we're just here in these vessels, which is our ship, so what does that mean to you is you are creation light ship. Does that make sense?

[11:32] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[11:34] Speaker 4: Yes. I understand what you're saying. Uh, I, I-

[11:38] Speaker 3: You are creation light ship.

[11:46] Speaker 4: I know that I am m- MerKaba, right?

[11:49] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[11:50] Speaker 4: And I know, I know that-

[11:51] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[11:51] Speaker 4: ... that part. Um, I have not had that revelation, so I'm gonna have to chew on that one. I'm gonna-

[11:58] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[11:58] Speaker 4: Uh, it's good and I, and I, I understand what you're saying. I want to go to the point of that you pointed out what you learned, that, that your heart was pure, that you had-

[12:08] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[12:08] Speaker 4: ... good intentions, but it back-

[12:11] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[12:11] Speaker 4: ... m- m- my words, backfired, right?

[12:13] Speaker 3: Right.

[12:14] Speaker 1: And I think a lot of us have good intentions, but I, I also remember Q saying to us that when we, um... A- a- and, and, and Ron Amitron also said this, that it was like the psychic attacks can come from, you know, people in family. Like, like for instance-

[12:38] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[12:38] Speaker 1: ... if I, if I want to send positive to you or to Rob, and you guys are like, "Mm-mm," right? Then, then that would be considered a psychic attack. Now if, if-

[12:52] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[12:52] Speaker 1: ... You understand what I'm saying?

[12:54] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[12:54] Speaker 1: And so if, if, if Rob and I are friends, and I tell Rob, "I can hold space for you." You know, he's going through something, "I can hold space for you, and I won't take on the burden, but I can hold space," and we've built up a rapport, then ... And we use the word prayer, because we don't know who all's listening. But, but you know, pray- P-R-A-Y-E-R makes you P-R-E-Y, prey. So, but we're using the word prayer because it's kind of a word that people understand. They don't understand holding space or, um, doing commands for, right? And so, um, so if I were to, uh, hold space for Rob, and then later do commands for Rob in a positive bent, he would be probably ... Let me flip it. If Rob were to do that for me, let me put it this way, if he were to do that for me, I would be more receptive because we built that rapport.

[13:50] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[13:51] Speaker 1: (huffs) Um, so it wouldn't be perceived as a psychic attack. But like you said, he was ... Your stepfather was perceiving it out of his knowledge and his experience. So I told-

[14:04] Speaker 2: Something was trick-

[14:05] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[14:05] Speaker 2: Go ahead, I'm sorry.

[14:05] Speaker 1: No, no, no. That's good. Something-

[14:06] Speaker 2: No, something-

[14:07] Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead.

[14:07] Speaker 2: Well, well, well here's the thing with you and Rob. I'm gonna go back to that. With you and Rob-

[14:13] Speaker 1: Uh-huh.

[14:13] Speaker 2: ... all you have is a positive relationship.

[14:16] Speaker 1: Exactly.

[14:16] Speaker 2: So you only have positive attachments to what Rob is to you in this reality.

[14:22] Speaker 1: Right. Right.

[14:23] Speaker 2: So if you feel Rob in any way, or y- if you say, if you're sending positive energies to Rob, and Rob's sending positive energies to you, and y'all are both open to receiving it, then you, you, you're, you're receiving it in the way that you perceive Rob to be in your reality.

[14:40] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[14:40] Speaker 2: Now, this is what I've come to understand is when I was doing that, he was receiving things, and where if you're on this journey, the one last thing that I wanna do is I, I want to ... I do not want to create a negative reaction-

[14:54] Speaker 1: Right.

[14:54] Speaker 2: ... within him, because I do love him.

[14:57] Speaker 1: Right. Right.

[14:58] Speaker 2: Does that make sense?

[14:59] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[14:59] Speaker 2: So I do love my stepfather. And so I stopped sending any- anything to him, because first I have to fix ... First, at some point, he either has to take the step to fix and release the emotional attachment within him so that that energy can be received positively.

[15:20] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[15:20] Speaker 2: Now, what I was gonna say to Rob is, "Rob, when you start feeling these energetic," what you're saying is, "you start to feel this, how do you protect yourself in how you receive it? How do you protect yourself?" Uh, so if it's happening ... I think I mentioned on this show before, if it's happening

[15:39] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[15:39] Speaker 2: ... and I can't like get away and do a command, if it, if it's something you can walk away for, from, like today it was happening in a conversation with a family member, and it-

[15:46] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[15:46] Speaker 2: ... and it was just like, okay, you know, I understand what you're saying, but like I-

[15:51] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[15:51] Speaker 2: ... had a question and then the question turned into this big, long conversation that I didn't wanna get into. It just, you know, and I, it's like I, I understand (laughs) what you're saying, but I don't have the time to talk about this right now. I, I ... It's like we can talk about it later.

[16:03] Speaker 1: Right.

[16:03] Speaker 2: But what I started doing if, if I can't leave and walk away and do commands is I put my hand behind my back, and I just shake my ha- like kind of like wave my hand or shake my fingers-

[16:14] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[16:14] Speaker 2: ... tw- twinkle my fingers and let the energy run through me. 'Cause it's also myself. I know that when I'm getting triggered, I'm not perfect either, like you were saying. So-

[16:21] Speaker 1: Right.

[16:21] Speaker 2: ... if somebody's-

[16:21] Speaker 1: Right.

[16:21] Speaker 2: ... getting a psychic attack and it's getting something to me, it's triggering me, maybe it's a money issue or something I did or just something's triggering me, 'cause-

[16:29] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[16:29] Speaker 2: ... otherwise I should be neutral, right?

[16:31] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[16:31] Speaker 2: Um, but if it is something that's kinda sticking to me and I can feel it, I try to dissipate the energy. So I, I, I put my hand out of sight so they can't see it. I kinda just cross one arm behind my back, like how-

[16:40] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[16:40] Speaker 2: ... I normally would stand. And I just let ... It's like the ... Eckhart says like the, the water off a duck's back-

[16:45] Speaker 1: Yes.

[16:45] Speaker 2: ... that's ho-

[16:45] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[16:46] Speaker 2: ... the ducks get in a sh- thing, and then they-

[16:47] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[16:47] Speaker 2: ... just flap their wings. Well, if you can't flap your wings, you can put your hand behind your back and just flap your hand a bit and, and I can just ... That's how I deal with it. But to circle back on what you guys were saying is that from my understanding, and like I was the biggest (laughs) culprit of this, you know, like where grow- uh, growing up, "You gotta think about others. You gotta pray for others," you know, and I-

[17:06] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[17:06] Speaker 2: ... I was even on that bandwagon. Even though I didn't go to Catholic Church, I still prayed up until about-

[17:11] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[17:11] Speaker 2: ... five years ago, six years ago-

[17:12] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[17:12] Speaker 2: ... 'cause I thought that's what you had to do, and I-

[17:14] Speaker 1: Same.

[17:14] Speaker 2: ... I didn't really believe in God outside of yourself. I kinda, you know, but I still like, well, that's how I was raised, and I didn't believe it was a man in the sky, but I still did it. Um, but we're not ... So a lot of the times when we're, you know, we wanna send positive things, but-

[17:28] Speaker 1: Right.

[17:29] Speaker 2: ... i- i- it's like Alan Watts says. Like, so if somebody's going through a negative experience, yourself included-

[17:34] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[17:35] Speaker 2: ... th- you have to come into acceptance of what is. So if you're, like you can't be ... If you get in a car accident, you can't be like, "Wow, that was ... This is amazing. This is, like, I'm, this is so positive. I'm so great. I met a new person today." You know? Like it's, it's you have to accept where you are, and it's a negative experience, and it, just be at one with it. It's okay. And so if we're trying to send somebody positive energy who's sick, we, they might even say that they wanna heal, but that's ... If they wanted to heal, they would be healed. So there, maybe deep down inside, there's something that they're gaining.

[18:06] Speaker 2: Like Eckhart speaks about that, like people-

[18:07] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[18:08] Speaker 2: ... identify with their illnesses. They like the attention that they're getting. They like-

[18:11] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[18:11] Speaker 2: Um-

[18:11] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[18:11] Speaker 2: ... whatever it is. So if you're sending somebody positive energy to h- help heal them, well, they, maybe they don't want that. Maybe they wanna experience what it's like-

[18:19] Speaker 1: Yep.

[18:19] Speaker 2: ... to be sick, going through something.

[18:21] Speaker 1: Exactly. Exactly

[18:21] Speaker 2: So they're just feeling this, they're feeling resistance.... fro- coming from you, not... You know, tha- that's why I don't... try not to send anybody anything, and if I say, if I say anything, it's... I ask my spirit to help bring that person peace energy.

[18:34] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[18:34] Speaker 2: Because positive, negative is all psychic attack energy, so I just-

[18:39] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[18:39] Speaker 2: It's like, if you have any extra spirit energy, it's just to bring that person to peace, or like Sunshine said, hold space.

[18:46] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[18:46] Speaker 2: Allow them to be as they are rather than trying to fix, because when we project our stuff, unless... You know, none of us are ascended masters, so all, even our emotional baggage-

[18:56] Speaker 1: What? (laughs)

[18:56] Speaker 2: (laughs) Even our emotional baggage and all our crap goes with it, so-

[18:59] Speaker 1: Right.

[18:59] Speaker 2: ... they, they, they... That's the thing about e- energetic cords is they go both ways, right?

[19:04] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

[19:04] Speaker 2: So we have to be very careful.

[19:06] Speaker 1: Right, really, really careful.

[19:06] Speaker 3: Yep, so I, I... Be- because I understand... You're ju- perfectly said, because I understand, uh, that my emotional attachment to him and me positively, I know that I can send positive energies to him. I can... Well, you said it best, I can also receive the energetics back from him and his thought process. Q calls this cording. Uh, I, I, I then... I can now experience when he's thinking of me. So how do, how do I protect myself? I'm now at a point of my journey to where I- I'm no longer emotionally attached to him.

[19:46] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[19:47] Speaker 2: So-

[19:47] Speaker 1: You still... L- let me, let me, let me, let me follow up. You still love him, but you're not emotionally attached to him.

[19:55] Speaker 3: Exactly.

[19:57] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[19:57] Speaker 3: Exactly. So I remove the emotional attachment within me to him because I understand that if I allow that to trigger me and-

[20:08] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[20:08] Speaker 3: ... create a spiral within me, he is now manipulating my creative state in the moment, and it will reflect in my reality, and I will receive something back based on my emotional trigger from his thought.

[20:27] Speaker 1: And as an observer, I will say, correct me if I'm wrong, this also impacts another timeline, which would be your mother's timeline. So how, how it impacts him one way or the other impacts her, which also would impact you again.

[20:45] Speaker 3: Well, it, it, it, it-

[20:47] Speaker 1: Does that make sense?

[20:47] Speaker 3: It only impa- Yes, you're right, but it only impacts me if I have an emotional attachment to-

[20:53] Speaker 1: Yes.

[20:53] Speaker 3: ... these beings here. So-

[20:55] Speaker 1: Yes.

[20:56] Speaker 3: ... you remember when Q said you almost have to become non-human and remove any emotional attachment-

[21:02] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

[21:02] Speaker 3: ... within the vessel? Because that emotional attachment is actually creating separation from spirit and source-

[21:13] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yes.

[21:13] Speaker 3: ... without you even realizing it's happening.

[21:16] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[21:16] Speaker 1: That's really good, really good. Go ahead, Rob.

[21:19] Speaker 2: That's... Yeah, that's... S- Sorry to jump in, but-

[21:21] Speaker 1: No, it's good.

[21:21] Speaker 2: ... that's the thing. (laughs) You know me, I- I was re-listening to... I hadn't listened to a R- a Ron Amitraj show in a while, and so I listened to one again last night. I was up in the middle of the night (laughs) 'cause my work schedule's got me just the craziest hours (laughs) with my sleep patterns now.

[21:35] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[21:35] Speaker 2: Uh, but, so I was up from midnight till 4:00 AM, you know, cleaning and doing laundry. (laughs)

[21:40] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[21:40] Speaker 2: And I was like, "Well, what better to wait?" Like, I, I'm like, "I know I'm gonna have to go to bed at some point again," 'cause-

[21:45] Speaker 1: Right.

[21:45] Speaker 2: ... um, you know, I was... I, I only slept two hours and then I was up for four, but-

[21:48] Speaker 1: Right.

[21:49] Speaker 2: ... so I l- listened to a CLS archive and, um, and it was talk- Ron was talking about, um, not doing any, a- any type of energetic work on anybody that we're emotionally att- attached to because it's just... It's, it's too difficult, right? Like-

[22:02] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[22:02] Speaker 2: ... you have... It, it's... And, and f- that coming from him, like, you know, he- he was not one to mince words or put fluff on things. So that's why, you know, I, I thought like, even a lot of this time, like, we want the best for our families. We want, you know, everybody to be happy and healthy 'cause we know h- how cordings work. I know that if my mom's down, if my brother's down, I'm gonna feel that stuff. And I... I've mentioned even on this show, I think... I believe, um, that, you know, one time I st- I just started feeling really weird one night and I was like, "I have no reason." I'm like, "Did I eat something weird?" And I just started feeling, um, hot and, like, you know, like, tired and, and, and I'm like, "What's going on?" And then the, the next day, uh, and I didn't hear from my brother, we were supposed to get together.

[22:42] Speaker 2: And then the next day, my brother m- sends me a message and he's like, "Yeah, sorry last night when..." He's like, "I got into a fight with my wife," and he's like, "I just wasn't feeling up to it."

[22:50] Speaker 1: Hmm. Mm-hmm.

[22:50] Speaker 2: And I was like, "Wow." I'm like, "That explains what happened to me."

[22:53] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[22:53] Speaker 2: Like, I was feeling-

[22:54] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[22:54] Speaker 2: ... like, because we, we were like... Everybody always thought we were twins and we were like super close as brothers, you know, which was very difficult when we kind of parted ways a few years ago, but-

[23:02] Speaker 1: Right.

[23:02] Speaker 2: ... it's like, I don't know how to cut that cord. Like, you know, even Q mentioned, um, we feel it. Like, you know, he... There was a show where he mentioned somebody on the PRQ team was in an accident and he knew immediately and-

[23:14] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[23:14] Speaker 2: ... and so it's like, I, I, I'm not there yet. I don't know exactly what's happening, but I know that something's happening outside of myself that's affecting me.

[23:21] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[23:21] Speaker 2: You know?

[23:22] Speaker 1: Right.

[23:22] Speaker 2: It's like-

[23:23] Speaker 1: And that, and that's-

[23:23] Speaker 2: There's no reason... Yeah. So I-

[23:25] Speaker 1: Go ahead. Go ahead.

[23:25] Speaker 2: ... it's like, we're... I couldn't tell that my brother got in a fight with his wife or, you know, but it... I couldn't tell it was coming from my brother, but I was like, "This, this isn't mine. Something's happening to me right now that I shouldn't be experiencing based on, you know, my own internal state or whatever, how- however you would explain that."

[23:39] Speaker 1: No, that's good.

[23:40] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[23:41] Speaker 1: I, um... Shane, did you have something?

[23:44] Speaker 3: No, I was just gonna say, you know, w- when Rob, what Rob was saying was, you know, whe- when I would have these experiences where... I had the same experience with my brother. As I'm sitting here, or as I was driving, and I'm sitting there detached from my mind, just in my heart. All of a sudden, my brother crosses my mind.

[24:02] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[24:03] Speaker 3: And then I get this just awkward feeling. Now, I haven't talked to him in months. I picked the phone up just to call him and reach out to him, and he's in a panicked state.

[24:13] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[24:13] Speaker 3: Well, I was aware that I needed to call him and reach out to him because I felt it and I took the initiative to reach out. Now, because he was in a panicked state and I was able to help him out of that panicked state, talk him off the ledge by just listening, not being attached. Um, but-

[24:31] Speaker 2: It was just an experience for me to understand the capabilities and the gifts that we have. For example, when, when that happened, I said to myself, after I got off the phone with, with him, I was, "Grateful, Source, for this connection, for this-"

[24:47] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[24:47] Speaker 2: "... experience for me to start to understand my gifts more." And then I reflected back on, "What did I ask for that maybe created, helped give energy?" Because I'm not gonna create it for him.

[25:00] Speaker 1: Right.

[25:00] Speaker 2: There was something that was already happening, but maybe this experience that I asked for, that I asked creation light ship to give me more awareness and my capabilities-

[25:12] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[25:12] Speaker 2: ... of who and what I am.

[25:14] Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah.

[25:14] Speaker 2: And the answer is yes. That morning-

[25:17] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[25:17] Speaker 2: ... I asked for an experience so that I can understand and learn the capability and gifts that I have, and start to use them more and become more aware of them. Well, that was provided to me through an experience from my brother. So now-

[25:31] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[25:31] Speaker 2: ... that I can s- now that I see how I maybe gave that experience a little energy and that experience came to me, and I, and (hands clap) so I was able to reflect back and see how I actually had participation-

[25:45] Speaker 1: This is-

[25:45] Speaker 2: ... in the experience.

[25:46] Speaker 1: Right. This is really a good conversation, because a lot of people that listen to Whiplash Talk, I mean, they've, uh, uh, there, there are the faithful folk that have been there since day one, Bertie, other people that have been there, um, and have watched Sunshine kind of grow through grief. Let's just, let's just be honest, just, w- you know, trudge through the grief thing. But, um, we're here talking about different, different aspects and different things-

[26:15] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[26:15] Speaker 1: ... and walking our walks. And what I'm wanting, what I'm hearing, and what I want people to really get from this conversation is not really maybe what we're talking about, but what's behind the scenes. We're stepping out into the gifts that we have, and we're walking in them, and do we sometimes make mistakes? Yes. Yes, we do. Do we wanna call it a mistake? No, but it's the only word I have in the English language right now, so w- we're gonna run with it. So have I, have I, um, said something to a friend that I wish I hadn't said? Yes. Have you put it out there, you want to know your giftings, you want to know your capabilities, you want to increase your capabilities? Okay, well then, next thing you know, you're feeling weird, and then you feel like you need to call, like, I would need to call Bertie, or Bertie needs to call me, or I need to talk to Zosha, or Lauren, or a- or people like that, or you guys, right?

[27:15] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[27:15] Speaker 1: And so it's working in that, but then it's also giving yourself grace, and also, um, uh, people receiving, giving grace, that we're still human, and we're still not perfect. But how are we going to learn to grow if we don't spread our wings and try to fly?

[27:35] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[27:36] Speaker 1: That's what I want people to hear from this conversation. So keep going. Go, Rob.

[27:40] Speaker 2: Well, well for me, it's, it's also like being consciously aware, like, old-

[27:45] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[27:46] Speaker 2: ... seeing the old, or recognizing the old patterns coming up, and saying, "How do I approach this differently?" Like, and, and so for example, this past, you know, with the new job and stuff, and-

[27:56] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[27:56] Speaker 2: ... my supervisor, and like, sometimes him not listening to what I'm saying per se, you know, it's like him asking-

[28:03] Speaker 1: Right.

[28:03] Speaker 2: ... for example, like, "Oh, how'd your day go?" "Not bad, the truck was down for half the day." Like, "Oh, yeah, you know, well, we gotta, we gotta keep it going, you know, like the, the, we gotta keep the numbers up."

[28:12] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[28:12] Speaker 2: I'm like, "Yeah, but the truck was down for half a day, so how do I keep the numbers up without..." You know? And so-

[28:18] Speaker 1: (laughs) Yeah.

[28:18] Speaker 2: ... when the truck goes down again, it's like me having this thing. I'm like, now, now, I'm in this min- now I'm in, I'm not in my heart. I'm in my mind scene.

[28:24] Speaker 1: Right. Totally.

[28:25] Speaker 2: Now I have to explain to this guy, who doesn't listen to what I say, about, like, you know, the truck being down, and it's like, then he's gonna say this, and then I'm gonna say that, and I'm like, "I'm not present in the moment right now." And it's like-

[28:34] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[28:34] Speaker 2: And I don't wanna psychically attack this guy. And so-

[28:36] Speaker 1: Right. (laughs)

[28:37] Speaker 2: ... um, and, but it's, but how do we do that? Like-

[28:40] Speaker 1: Right.

[28:40] Speaker 2: ... like, we have to defend ourselves-

[28:42] Speaker 1: Right.

[28:42] Speaker 2: ... and we have to speak up. Like, there's only so much you can say, but it's like...

[28:45] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[28:45] Speaker 2: Those are the examples. And it's like, I-

[28:47] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[28:48] Speaker 2: ... I understand where, you know, five years ago, I wouldn't have understood that. I would be, you know, playing the, uh, you know, like, the, the law scene. Like, "Well, he's gonna say this."

[28:58] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[28:58] Speaker 2: And then I'm gonna be like-

[28:59] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[28:59] Speaker 2: ... "I object, Your Honor!"

[29:01] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[29:01] Speaker 2: And like, y- you're creating like your case before you even have this conversation. So I went through this whole thing.

[29:07] Speaker 1: Right.

[29:07] Speaker 2: And I was like, aw, man-

[29:07] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[29:07] Speaker 2: ... when it happened the second time, I'm like this and that, I'm driving the truck, and I'm like, "Okay, well, if I explain it to him like this," I'm like, "Maybe he, maybe he won't ask me. May-" You know, and, and I'm having this conversation with this dude in my head. And then, so I'm dreading getting back to the shop. And then I get back to the shop, and he's not even there. He's gone, he's left early for a long weekend. So this fictitious scenario that I created in my own mind based on something that might happen never came to be. And I was like, "I wasted so much life force energy today on that crap." You know?

[29:35] Speaker 1: Yeah. Right.

[29:36] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[29:36] Speaker 1: There's something that's really interesting, because, um, you guys are giving, you know, examples. Th- there are a couple examples that I have. A lot of people looked at me kind of like with a strange look in their eye. They didn't say anything, but whenever, you know, they found out that I didn't let any of my family members know that I made this move until like... I made this move, well, I left mid-September, and I didn't send out a letter until like the end of December to just very few close family members and some close friends that I had moved. But the main reason was, and I've shared it, but I, people may not have caught that show. The main reason I did not share it is because of the psychic attack. I was already under attack. I didn't, I didn't need any more. I was in a battle for getting out of the matrix, and I had to fight my way out, and it was a battle across country, just, just to tell ya.

[30:30] Speaker 1: But if I had told family members, there would have been so much more...So with that, um, I, I did that, and then now in the current situation that I'm in, I left my previous, uh, career, my profession, um, because of drama, because of stress, and because of, uh, it was just, it was suffocating. I could not, I could not make progress on me and my spiritual awakening. It, it, it was just, it was stifling. And so, I left that because of the drama. And so now, I am in a retail situation to where there's a lot of drama, and I find literally that my, my line that I'm using is, I mean, I'll, I'll turn around and walk away.

[31:25] Speaker 1: I'm just like, I'm like, and I'll hold my hands up and I'm very, very gracious and very kind, and it's like, "I'm sorry, I don't do drama."

[31:32] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[31:33] Speaker 1: I don't do drama. And I said, "I left a very, very well-paying job in corporate America because of drama," and I said, "I don't do drama." And I walk, I walk away and they start to, they start to, you know, come after me and say something and I'm like, you know, "L- l- let me explain." "Nope, nope, nope, it's okay. I don't need to know. It's okay." And I just smile and I'm just sunshine and I just go on, but it's like, whew, there's a lot of drama out there.

[32:01] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[32:01] Speaker 1: And, and like that psychic attack is, it's legit. It's legit. So go ahead, Rob.

[32:07] Speaker 2: No, i- it's, I, I totally get where you're coming from because I, it's so funny, like the license plate thing. I'm, I'm driving in a truck with my supervisor a couple, like, I guess it was maybe last week, and he's telling me about stuff in the shop. And it's, it's so funny the way creation works, you know, and I'm, I don't wanna get involved in drama either and it's like I don't care. It's like, yeah, when it comes up, it's like okay, but I don't like, I've always been like kind of like the person, in high school I had a lot of different groups of friends. I never, like I didn't play that like, oh, the clicky thing. Like, it's like I always treated everybody based on my interactions with them. I try my best not to like let other people, or like who cares if you don't like Doug? I, fucking, I love Doug.

[32:49] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[32:49] Speaker 2: Like, it doesn't matter, you know?

[32:50] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[32:50] Speaker 2: Like, or like Steve. No, like, I don't care what your opinion of Steve is. Steve has been awesome to me my entire life. Why would I, like I don't pick sides, you know? I don't care.

[32:58] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[32:58] Speaker 2: Like, and so that got me in, but I tried to have, have that all the time. And (laughs) as we're driving in the truck, this guy's telling me about the guys in the shop and he's like, "Yeah, I'd stay away from this one guy." And he's basically starting drama and I see a license plate that says "No Drama" and I just laugh. And then the next day, would- wouldn't you know it, the guy that he was talking about, uh, had to drive me around because my truck was out and I didn't have my driving certificate yet. So he had to drive me around. So I got to spend the day with this guy that he said to stay away from (laughs) . And so, source just put me in line with this, with the dude he was talking about, like, "Stay away from that guy." Well, we got to spend the whole day together, and he's not a bad dude. He's like, yeah, I guess the other guy probably told you.

[33:37] Speaker 2: He's like, "We're mortal enemies at the office." He's like, "We don't-"

[33:40] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[33:40] Speaker 2: "... or at the shop." He's like, "We don't talk," you know? So I'm getting to-

[33:42] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[33:42] Speaker 2: ... hear both sides of it and I'm kind of just laughing 'cause it doesn't, doesn't matter to me either way, you know?

[33:47] Speaker 1: Right, right.

[33:48] Speaker 2: But I, I'm with you. Like I just ... And, and, and you start realizing it as you come into more peace energy. Like-

[33:54] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[33:54] Speaker 2: ... you, I realize that, yeah, I had that in me now. And a lot of times, like it's, there's certain things that I've been going through lately, like you said, Sunshine, like, there's certain things that happened in my life that I would've, you know, called my brother or my mom or one of my friends-

[34:08] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[34:08] Speaker 2: ... the first thing, what had happened and-

[34:09] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[34:09] Speaker 2: ... told them and then told others. And, and you know, there's things that happened in my life where like, my, I, there was something I didn't tell my brother for 20 years and it hurt him so much and I thought he knew and I, it's a very embarrassing thing and, and-

[34:20] Speaker 1: Right.

[34:21] Speaker 2: ... I just didn't want to, you know, as like, I thought he knew how much it hurt me and so we didn't, it was like an unspoken thing that we didn't talk about and he never brought up.

[34:27] Speaker 1: Right.

[34:27] Speaker 2: But he didn't even know and he was so hurt that I didn't tell him, but I, he, and he was like crying and he's like, like, he's like, "I always knew something happened to you." He's like, "Why didn't you tell me?" And he's like, "That's," and you know, and he was going off and I was like, "'Cause I knew that this is how you would react."

[34:39] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[34:40] Speaker 2: You know?

[34:40] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[34:41] Speaker 2: And, and-

[34:41] Speaker 1: 20 years later, yeah.

[34:42] Speaker 2: ... it's not your cross to bear.

[34:43] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[34:43] Speaker 2: And so, you know-

[34:44] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[34:44] Speaker 2: ... it finally came out. But he was more upset that I, I think sad at the, at the fact that I didn't tell him and I was like, "Well, dude, I didn't purposely, I just thought you already knew and you just didn't bring it up to me 'cause you knew that like it was not something that I really wanted to discuss very often," you know?

[34:59] Speaker 1: Right, right, right.

[35:01] Speaker 2: Um, but yeah, and, and so it- it's really learning to like not create timelines for yourself again.

[35:06] Speaker 1: Right. Mm-hmm.

[35:06] Speaker 2: Or others, you know? Put others on your timeline 'cause w- if, especially if you know how cordings work.

[35:11] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[35:11] Speaker 2: So if I'm going through something and I know that my brother kind of worries about me sometimes, well, I'm not gonna give him more reasons to.

[35:17] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[35:17] Speaker 2: Just, he's gonna be, he's get, A, it's gonna put him on a timeline, but then he's gonna be-

[35:21] Speaker 1: Right.

[35:21] Speaker 2: ... psychically attacking me unknowingly 'cause he's thinking about, you know, oh, like, well, trying to help me out and like be a good brother or whatever 'cause he's always there and, so-

[35:29] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[35:29] Speaker 2: ... but I don't want him to, I don't want to ever abuse the privilege of people being there for me, expecting them, you know, to-

[35:34] Speaker 1: Exactly.

[35:35] Speaker 2: ... help, you know?

[35:37] Speaker 1: Exactly. Shane, you good?

[35:40] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm, I'm just sitting back-

[35:42] Speaker 1: Okay. (laughs)

[35:42] Speaker 3: ... listening.

[35:43] Speaker 1: All right. (laughs) Okay.

[35:44] Speaker 3: No, no, no. I'm just, I'm listening.

[35:47] Speaker 1: Okay. Well, I'll jump in then. I, um, I too have, you know, come out of the Christian background, uh, pretty strong. Like, raised a little girl. We were like, you know, Eastern Christmas Christians for a while. We called them ENC, ENC Christians, you know?

[36:01] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[36:01] Speaker 1: Eastern Christmas, you always go and, and we- I was a bench warmer, a pew warmer because, you know, uh-

[36:06] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[36:06] Speaker 1: ... the church that I went to, it was a, you know, a denominational church. I won't, I won't say which one it was. And, um, you know, the Bible s- were in the pew, the back of the pew in front of you so, you know, you didn't really have your own Bible. You'd like flip, flip, flip, flip trying to find where they were reading from, you know, and finally they just started printing it in the little, the little bulletins that they put out so you didn't even have to use the Bible anymore. It was right there in the, in the printed off one, you know, the scripture was there.

[36:30] Speaker 1: But, I grew up, you know, you pray for people and-

[36:34] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[36:34] Speaker 1: ... um, and my mother recognized something in me that I didn't even really recognize, and I've s- I've shared this story before, but...We were at Walgreens in my hometown, and a little lady that worked the cosmetic counter, I was doing my own thing, I don't know what I was shopping for, but I was picking something up. I think it was a birthday card. But anyway, my mom came over and she's like, "Ha, Sunshine, Sunshine," she didn't call me that but anyway, "Sunshine, Sunshine, come here, come here." And she goes, "I want you, I need you to pray for her." And I'm like, "M- Mom, you know how to pray?" And she goes, "No, but I need you to pray for her." I'm like, "Uh, okay." And, and she just wasn't feeling well, and, and, uh, so we, we prayed for her and, and she reported back like within an hour. She was, you know, much better and blah, blah, blah. And, and I've thought so many times that there's a gifting there in all of us for healing.

[37:26] Speaker 1: I just believe that all of us, you know, we want people to be healthy and whole. That's just, that's part of love. That's love.

[37:31] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[37:31] Speaker 1: You want people to be healthy and whole. And so, but there are certain people that do have, um, a gift or a talent or, uh, um, what do you, what do you call it? Not a property. What do we call 'em? I'm drawing a blank.

[37:45] Speaker 2: Character, like a characteristic or... (laughs)

[37:48] Speaker 1: Uh, you know what I'm saying.

[37:49] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[37:49] Speaker 1: It's something that, that in our, in our, in our inner nature of our, of our spirit, that that is something that, that we, that we do. Sorry, it's just escaping me right now. And so, it's interesting because I've thought about that, and I've thought about there have been other instances where that has happened, and it's like, I believe that it's the faith of the person that's believing for the healing as well, because you can, you could not pray, but let's say you do commands for someone, and let's say that they are like 110% they believe, they believe the commands. Well, I believe the commands will work for them because of that. But if you're doing commands for someone and they don't believe in the hocus-pocus or whatever, then it's gonna be a lot harder for them because it's, it's their heart center, their, their heart center wants to receive but their mind gets in the way. Is that a good way to put that? Do you understand where I'm going with this?

[38:43] Speaker 2: Yep.

[38:44] Speaker 1: Okay.

[38:44] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[38:44] Speaker 1: So, so I, I, um, I still believe there's a purpose and a place for the, um, special abilities, that's it, special abilities that we have as, uh, beings of light, and as columns of light, and that have source energy in us. But, um, we have to be careful because-

[39:11] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[39:11] Speaker 1: ... like you say, you don't, you don't want to psychic attack anybody with good or bad.

[39:16] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[39:16] Speaker 1: With good or bad.

[39:17] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[39:17] Speaker 1: So.

[39:18] Speaker 2: And, and you know, it's interesting because like now I'm back kind of in a job, which I haven't had for many, many years, always being self-employed, and, and it's a different dynamic, and I like parts of it.

[39:30] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[39:31] Speaker 2: But it's like having to, um, you, you come at it with like a different conscious awareness, you know?

[39:38] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[39:38] Speaker 2: And it's like, man, now I see why it's really difficult to, like, to maintain peace energy, and maybe-

[39:43] Speaker 1: Yes.

[39:44] Speaker 2: ... because it's, I'm-

[39:44] Speaker 1: Yes.

[39:45] Speaker 2: ... I'm new and I know that there's like a lot of eyes on me. Everybody's like, you know, all the, all the, the climbers and the arborists and like the crew of the, the guys that, you know, do, do the, like the dangerous tree climbing stuff.

[39:56] Speaker 1: Right. Right.

[39:56] Speaker 2: Like, they're kind of a tight-knit group.

[39:58] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[39:58] Speaker 2: And like, I can hear the way they talk about the new guys on their crew, so-

[40:01] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[40:01] Speaker 2: ... and I know that, I know that the people like are have, like, the management are having discussions about me if I'm cutting it, so I can feel-

[40:09] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[40:09] Speaker 2: ... all that, like-

[40:09] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[40:09] Speaker 2: ... and you know, I can feel it, and it's like it's, and this week, like yesterday was actually really beautiful because now I'm getting to the point where it's like, okay, well, I'm just doing the best I can.

[40:18] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[40:18] Speaker 2: And, and that's all that matters, and I'm-

[40:20] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[40:20] Speaker 2: ... and trying to do it in a sacred manner.

[40:22] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[40:22] Speaker 2: And, and knowing that it's just, like, it's just an experience, you know? And, and it's like- That's all it is

[40:28] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[40:28] Speaker 2: It's, yeah, it's just an experience.

[40:30] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[40:30] Speaker 2: And that's really difficult. And I try to remind myself that, like, when things get, when I do get into mind energy or whatever, it's like I, I'm creating this. Don't worry, you're sourced. Like, you're, like, don't worry, it's nothing. You know? Like, our mind- There you go

[40:44] Speaker 1: ... just wants to jump back and create these scenarios.

[40:46] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[40:46] Speaker 1: And it's, it's, it's really difficult. You have to like, I, I need conscious, conscious reminders, you know? And-

[40:53] Speaker 2: That's really good.

[40:53] Speaker 1: ... and so I have so many different things, as you guys know, that like, but going within, however you get there, you know, remind yourself- Yeah

[40:59] Speaker 2: ... to do something in a sacred manner.

[41:01] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[41:01] Speaker 2: I tell myself if I, if I feel out of the moment, it's like this moment's too beautiful to, to be in the past or, or the future.

[41:07] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[41:07] Speaker 2: Just be present. Uh-

[41:08] Speaker 1: Yes.

[41:09] Speaker 2: ... and just, and just doing it. And it, and, and that's the thing is like everybody thinks it's like you're gonna pop this pill and live in peace energy your whole life. Well-

[41:15] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[41:16] Speaker 2: ... not if you have to interact with the outside world 'cause there's gonna be triggers.

[41:19] Speaker 1: Right. Yep.

[41:20] Speaker 2: And, and, you know, that's why I'm actually consciously, haven't started any new friendships-

[41:26] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[41:26] Speaker 2: ... in a very long time.

[41:28] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[41:28] Speaker 2: Um, like aside from, you know, you guys and, and a few other people, um-

[41:32] Speaker 1: Right.

[41:32] Speaker 2: ... but we're, we're kind of all in that group of like, okay, we're, we're all consciously working on each other.

[41:37] Speaker 1: My family, yeah.

[41:38] Speaker 2: If you're not, if you're not with people that are not consciously doing that or not open to it, it's, it's difficult sometimes. Like, I don't wanna sit there and talk about the news. I don't wanna sit there and talk about-

[41:47] Speaker 1: No.

[41:48] Speaker 2: ... gossip.

[41:48] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[41:48] Speaker 2: Like, I have neighbors and, and they gossip and it's like, oh, man. Like, I just, it's like I don't even wanna hear this story.

[41:53] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[41:53] Speaker 2: Like, I don't care. It has no relevance to creation. It's, it's-

[41:56] Speaker 1: Exactly.

[41:57] Speaker 2: ... it's somebody's, it's somebody telling me about somebody else's past, and it's like, what are we-

[42:01] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[42:01] Speaker 2: And so you just become so much more consciously aware about how you spend your time, you know?

[42:04] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[42:04] Speaker 2: And it's like...

[42:06] Speaker 1: That happens to me at work too. That happens to me at work because there's a lot of that, you know, that happens, and talking about, you know, and that's, that's just their life. That's where they're at, and that's fine, and that's, that's good, but I choose to not participate, and so I'll go, I'll go fold. I'll go fold and straighten and, and, uh, you know, make sure the floor's presentable for the next shopper, and, and, uh-

[42:29] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[42:29] Speaker 1: And sometimes I'll find when I'm doing that, it's, it, it (laughs) here's something to let people know and to be aware of as well. My mind will start to wander, and I'm like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa, whoa. (laughs) Sunshine."... you know, come back, come back, come back.

[42:42] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[42:42] Speaker 1: And so, I'll find something in the area that I'm in to look at, you know, even if it's just folding shirts, you know. Okay, I'm going to fold this shirt to where it is beautifully folded and then I'll s- I'll speak over it like, "You're gonna go to a great home and somebody's going to really love you," you know, "They're going to really like this shirt. You're gonna be a gift and the person's gonna love it." And, you know, I just, I kinda keep myself there, focusing on what I'm doing because it's very easy to get into your mind energy whenever you're, you know, doing something mundane, like driving.

[43:14] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[43:14] Speaker 1: Driving, I have to pull myself back. Okay, so like, what am I looking for? The other day, yesterday, I was driving back home. I had to run an errand and I came back home. It was about an hour drive, coming back home, 45 minutes, and I lost count of how many different eagles I saw.

[43:29] Speaker 2: Yeah. That's awesome. I love eagles.

[43:31] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[43:31] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[43:32] Speaker 1: So, so I was like, okay, so-

[43:33] Speaker 2: You're so lucky.

[43:34] Speaker 1: ... I have... I am (laughs) .

[43:36] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[43:36] Speaker 1: I am. I'm really blessed. It, it... Blissed, I'm really blissed. But, um, i- i- it was like, "Okay, this is really, this is good." And so, I just try to focus on that. Sometimes my friends, the crows, will come to the skylights and they'll look down in to see who's in there and it's like if they see me or somebody else that feeds them, they'll kind of tap on the glass with their beak, like, "Yo, got some food?"

[43:57] Speaker 2: For real.

[43:58] Speaker 1: So, it's kinda fun, but yeah. I just, uh, for the listeners today, I think just know that when you're going through opportunities that may be a little uncomfortable and, and may even be financially a little awkward or untimely or unpleasant in the matrix, um, find your peace. Find your peace. Uh, you've heard Shayne and Rob and I share different, different experiences to where, you know, we've caught, oh, that didn't work. Okay, well, let's try this. So, we're all still on this walk, um, and I encourage you to, you know, know that, one, you're not alone, but two, that it is a battle out there, and when we signed up for this, we knew it wasn't gonna be easy. But knowing that there are others out there that are on the walk that are doing the same thing, um, makes it, um... uh, more palatable. Is that a good way to put it?

[45:06] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[45:07] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[45:07] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[45:07] Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead.

[45:08] Speaker 2: I agree. And like, one thing, and I mentioned it, I think it was a couple of weeks ago, like just be okay with yourself-

[45:16] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[45:16] Speaker 2: ... exactly where you are. And know, if you're gonna take a belief system, no beli- belief system needed, but if you're gonna have one, it's that you've always been doing the absolute best that you could've done. And everybody else is too, whether you wanna believe that or not.

[45:28] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[45:29] Speaker 2: Um, that, a- and that makes it really, really, really e- a lot easier, in my opinion, to just... 'Cause often, we're our own worst enemies. We're our own biggest critic-

[45:40] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[45:40] Speaker 2: ... that voice in our head. And it's not us, it's our DNA. It's all our, you know, ancestor stuff.

[45:44] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

[45:45] Speaker 2: Um, but it's still, we have to take the responsibility for overcoming it, commanding it, doing clearings, whatever needs to be done-

[45:52] Speaker 1: Right.

[45:52] Speaker 2: ... to clear it out.

[45:53] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[45:53] Speaker 2: But just be gentle with yourself and don't create this, like, I've done it several times in my life, created this like, idealized version of where I think I need to be.

[46:02] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[46:02] Speaker 2: And then you're always falling short. You're never-

[46:04] Speaker 1: Right.

[46:04] Speaker 2: So, just trust that wherever you are is the step that you're taking.

[46:09] Speaker 1: Yes.

[46:09] Speaker 2: And, and it's important. So don't be like, you know, "Well, I'm not there," you know, this and that. Just, wherever you are, this is the step you're taking. Even, even Bruce Leetz talked about that.

[46:19] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[46:19] Speaker 2: And I always loved reading things about that. He talked about how this idealized image of self-perfection that he had became his prison for years.

[46:27] Speaker 1: Yep.

[46:27] Speaker 2: And that happens because you're al- And that's the p- that's why Ron spoke very, very adamantly about how the new age movement and the law of attraction is crap because it, you know, it does work, but it's battle of the mind. So, where there's a winner, there's a loser.

[46:42] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[46:42] Speaker 2: Um, but what you end up doing is you, if you don't attract what you want or you think you're supposed to be doing, then you start beating yourself up. "Oh, I'm doing it wrong." Or, "I'm not deserving," or, you know, "I need to buy the next book." It's all mind energy, more mind energy.

[46:55] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[46:55] Speaker 2: It's not benefiting anybody except who, somebody who's, you know, Tony Robbins who's sending, s- selling-

[46:59] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[46:59] Speaker 2: ... $10,000 weekend courses. No offense-

[47:02] Speaker 1: Right.

[47:02] Speaker 2: ... against the guy.

[47:03] Speaker 1: Right.

[47:03] Speaker 2: But it's mind energy. It has nothing to do with heart. You're forcing-

[47:05] Speaker 1: Right.

[47:05] Speaker 2: ... your will upon the outside world and that's what's going away. That, that's the old world.

[47:10] Speaker 1: And I think something to add to that, if I may.

[47:13] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[47:14] Speaker 1: Um, we, we have an ego that, that we, that we have to work with. So for sunshine, the only example I can use is my, my own. Walking away from corporate America, you know, high heel shoes and howdy coat as I would say, you know. Got, got the right heels for the right outfit, got the right handbag, got the right this, got the right that, you know. Can speak in front of, you know, many people and, and carry myself and blah, blah, blah, to, um, yeah, uh, not enough... There's too much month in my month, you know?

[47:49] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[47:50] Speaker 1: There's not... You know what I mean? There's too much month and not enough pay.

[47:52] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[47:53] Speaker 1: So, I went from one aspect to the other, but if you know that that's the right step to make, then you know source is there to meet, meet that difference. And it's a growth thing. And so, when it, when it talks about, um, that, you know, you're becoming one and that you're, that you are not slaying your ego but you are understanding that ego and, and, and kind of, um, mm, decreasing that so your spirit may increase, if that makes sense.

[48:25] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[48:25] Speaker 1: So, so decrease who you built yourself up to be because it's not who you are, I-

[48:31] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[48:31] Speaker 1: ... guess is what I'm trying to say. Who you really are is, is that source light in you that no one, that no one recognizes because you've got this flesh suit on.And so, um, so that's something that still, uh, will, will rear its little head every once in a while because when things aren't meeting, it's like, "Okay, well maybe I need to go back out into the workforce," and immediately I'm like, "Nope. Nope. Nope, nope, nope, nope." Because my, my walk has exponentially launched since I left my corporate job.

[49:05] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[49:05] Speaker 1: And I'm like, "I'm not going, I'm not going back." It's not w- it's not worth that for me. That is not, that is not who I am.

[49:11] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[49:12] Speaker 1: So.

[49:12] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[49:13] Speaker 1: Shane, you're being quiet. What you got?

[49:15] Speaker 3: I was listening. Uh, uh, you know, we, we do, Rob, and I understand what Rob's saying, everybody on this journey, you know, we all are all at a different place of the journey.

[49:25] Speaker 1: Yep.

[49:25] Speaker 3: We all have something to offer each other-

[49:28] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[49:28] Speaker 3: ... which is different perspectives.

[49:30] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[49:30] Speaker 3: Uh, don't get emotionally attached to anything that I may say or what may, maybe Sunshine may say, or-

[49:38] Speaker 1: Right.

[49:38] Speaker 3: ... we, we share our experiences and if you feel inspired to try or, or, or, or even go within and ask, if we say something that you don't agree with, use it as an opportunity to go within your, and ask your spirit, "Spirit, is this something that's true? I don't really feel this, what he said."

[49:59] Speaker 1: Right.

[49:59] Speaker 3: "Can you, can you help, can you help answer that for me?"

[50:02] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[50:02] Speaker 3: Use that as a positive experience. If, if I say something that doesn't relate to anybody or creates an attachment, an emotional attachment to you on this journey-

[50:12] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[50:12] Speaker 3: ... um, this, it's a good opportunity to go within and, and ask your spirit. I'm not telling anybody to believe anything that I'm saying.

[50:19] Speaker 1: Absolutely.

[50:19] Speaker 3: I just, all, all I do is share my experiences and I hope that... And, and when, like when Rob talks, I listen and I pick up little divine nuggets from him. When Sunshine talks, I listen and I pick up divine nuggets from her. And, you know, Zosia and, and Lauren and-

[50:37] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[50:38] Speaker 3: ... and all these beautiful people that are on this journey-

[50:40] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[50:40] Speaker 3: ... uh, a lot of the times if you actually go back and listen to the shows-

[50:44] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[50:44] Speaker 3: ... that we all do on the same day-

[50:47] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[50:48] Speaker 3: ... we're kind of all talking about the same topic-

[50:51] Speaker 1: They are.

[50:51] Speaker 3: ... just in different way, just in different ways.

[50:55] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

[50:55] Speaker 3: And that's a way for you to connect the dots too of how consciously connected we are.

[50:59] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[50:59] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[51:00] Speaker 1: Agreed.

[51:00] Speaker 2: And, and that's what I wanted to, if, if there's one message that I can, like t- today is just be grateful and happy-

[51:06] Speaker 1: Yes.

[51:06] Speaker 2: ... and okay with who you are and where you are. And like, because as you start releasing attachments, there's kind of like, you know, the human side, the human emotional side of it, there's like a bitter sweetness to it.

[51:17] Speaker 1: Yep.

[51:17] Speaker 2: And it's... So the thing that you love today is eventually not, you know, like nothing's forever. Like, think about as a kid, your favorite toy and then, you know, at Christmas you got something else and that toy no longer held your interest. And not to say you minimize life or anything like that, but it's all toys, but it kind of, ev- everything external to us kind of is toys.

[51:38] Speaker 1: Yep.

[51:38] Speaker 2: The things that are gonna come and go, arise and pass away-

[51:41] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[51:41] Speaker 2: ... whether they're relationships, whether they're vehicles, whether they're homes, um-

[51:45] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[51:45] Speaker 2: ... you know, people, places and things, all the things we can be quartered at. And, and so like there was times in my life where I, I needed to go for a motorcycle ride every day, and I loved that. And, and that's exactly where I, what I needed at the time, and I lived in a house full of, uh, people with, you know, (laughs) uh, a lot of, a lot of other energies at the time and-

[52:04] Speaker 1: Right.

[52:04] Speaker 2: ... running a business and just a lot of pressure.

[52:06] Speaker 1: Right.

[52:06] Speaker 2: And so at that time, I n- like, going for my motorcycle ride every day was like therapy for me.

[52:11] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[52:12] Speaker 2: And now I don't go every day. I, I go a couple times a week. And, uh, uh, when, when I, I started like, "Well, what's wrong with me? Like, am I losing my passion?" Things just change. It's not that it's-

[52:22] Speaker 1: Right.

[52:22] Speaker 2: ... good or bad, it just changes. So just be, just be totally wherever you are today right now and enjoy it because it's, at some point, you know, one, today will be a memory and, and, and that's, and that's the thing. And so-

[52:35] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[52:36] Speaker 2: ... just to be okay with whatever it is, because there's, there's things that are gonna change in your life and, and that's okay. And when, when you do let them go, just let them go with grace, you know.

[52:46] Speaker 1: Yes. Yes.

[52:46] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[52:46] Speaker 2: You don't have to, you don't have to create this big thing about it like, you know, there's certain things where it's like, "Well, you know, I command my spirit to bring all my energy back from..." say it's an object or-

[52:55] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[52:55] Speaker 2: ... you know, whatever it is, and to just neutralize it and, and just be grateful.

[52:59] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[52:59] Speaker 2: And then you see things with, you know, you see the impermanence of everything and, and it's not such a big deal anymore. And-

[53:05] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[53:05] Speaker 2: ... and we, we let those attachments go, but be grateful while you have the attachment 'cause it's part of being human. We love it right now and it's okay if you, you know, whatever it is, just, just be there fully.

[53:15] Speaker 1: Agreed. I, um, had a friend send me a picture, she loves horses, and she sent me a picture of the horses, but in, in the foreground of the photo were these cute little shoes with these little socks on the shoes. So I could tell she was grounding with her horses. And I'm like, "You know what I, you know what I love about this picture the most?" And she's like, "What?" And I said, "That you're grounding with your horses in your favorite place."

[53:41] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[53:41] Speaker 1: And she, she kind of giggled. She's like, "I didn't even realize that, you know, I didn't realize that, you know, the shoes were in the picture or whatever." But anyway, I just love that picture. And then for me, your motorcycle ride whenever I was in high school and was under a lot of pressure, mine was music.

[53:55] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[53:55] Speaker 1: I would just go, I played clarinet at the time, and I would just go and just play and literally would be lost in another, another dimension, just not there.

[54:05] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[54:06] Speaker 1: And it was very, very healing for me. So okay, we got one minute. Shane, what you got?

[54:11] Speaker 3: I think I already said, you know-

[54:13] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[54:14] Speaker 3: ... what, what I will say going out is if, when you're on this journey, you start to realize that your emotional state affects your creative state in the moment-

[54:25] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[54:25] Speaker 3: ... in your reality.

[54:27] Speaker 1: That's good. That's good.

[54:27] Speaker 3: Try to, uh, what I would make a suggestion of is try to create an emotion that you choose to participate in and watch it show up.

[54:39] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[54:39] Speaker 3: That's it.

[54:41] Speaker 1: That's good.

[54:41] Speaker 3: It's very simple.

[54:42] Speaker 1: Good. What you got, Rob? You want to close it out?

[54:45] Speaker 2: Just, just be fully where you are and accept what is, like, because that's-

[54:49] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[54:49] Speaker 2: ... you know, it's when we fight what is that we create suffering for ourselves. So instead of, you know, if you're tired today, take a nap instead of saying, "Oh," or having a coffee and saying, or, "I wish I was, you know, I wish I wasn't tired," or complaining about how much you did yesterday. Just take a nap, go with the flow, be fully where you are instead of battling against what is.

[55:08] Speaker 1: Awesome.

[55:08] Speaker 2: All right. Yeah.

[55:09] Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us on Whiplash Talk, everyone. It's been a beautiful show with my beautiful friends, and we love you so very much. (upbeat music)

[55:17] Speaker 2: Thanks, everybody.

[55:18] Speaker 3: Thanks, y'all. Appreciate y'all.

[55:18] Speaker 1: Thanks, guys.

[55:19] Speaker 2: Bye-bye.

[55:20] Speaker 1: Bye. Love you guys. Bye.