[00:00] Speaker 1: (instrumental music plays) Welcome, welcome, welcome everyone to Whiplash Talk. This is Sunshine, and it is a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful sunshiny day, and I am so glad that you're here with us on Whiplash Talk on BBS Radio and TV. And I have a couple of wonderful friends. I call them special guests, but they are super wonderful friends as well. They're family. Rob A. and Bertie, are you here?

[01:46] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.

[01:51] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[01:51] Speaker 3: (laughs) Yeah.

[01:51] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[01:51] Speaker 3: (laughs) Oh, boy. Here we go.

[01:53] Speaker 1: Here we go. This is gonna be interesting.

[01:55] Speaker 3: It's on like Donkey Kong.

[01:57] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[01:58] Speaker 2: So, it's so nice today, today here. Like we, we, we got crazy weather.

[02:04] Speaker 1: Did you ouiui? (laughs) Sorry. (laughs)

[02:07] Speaker 2: Oui, oui, oui. I'm stuttering here. I was trying to ... trying... My mind was moving too fast for my body, um. (laughs)

[02:13] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[02:13] Speaker 2: I was trying to convert s- so, you know, for the American listeners 'cause-

[02:17] Speaker 1: Right.

[02:17] Speaker 2: ... 21 degrees here today, Celsius, which is 69.8 Fahrenheit.

[02:22] Speaker 1: Beautiful.

[02:22] Speaker 2: Um, but like, really, really nice. Got up, and I (laughs) I dressed up like it was winter and I had to take off my gloves and open my jacket and take off my hat and scarf. Like-

[02:32] Speaker 1: Aw.

[02:32] Speaker 2: I didn't realize it was that warm when I left the house this morning, you know?

[02:35] Speaker 1: That's so fun. That's so awesome.

[02:37] Speaker 2: Oh, I- spring is so in the air. It was the c- you know that smell? It was like the first- everything was thawing.

[02:42] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[02:42] Speaker 2: Like, you could smell the pine trees, the whatever.

[02:45] Speaker 1: Yep.

[02:45] Speaker 2: The swamp, what it- like, just that really good spring smell when you know it's like, okay, winter's, I think, officially done.

[02:52] Speaker 1: Yeah. Ah. Yeah. I d- I was thinking that here, and then I went out to the beach yesterday and literally I had like a scarf on that has like a little ruff on it. It looks like a, a ruff or a K-Kool-Aid man. Oh, yeah! Um, (laughs) sorry. Um, BBS is sending us fun things. But, uh, I went out to the beach and it was so blasted cold. Uh, the tide was out, the wind was blowing, and I'm like, mm, eh, okay, maybe, maybe it's not quite warm. But I- you guys, I saw eagles. I was parked right under an eagle tree. (inhales deeply) It was amazing. It was beautiful and yeah. Spring is in the air. Things are blooming here. Things are leafing out. So yeah. Spri- spring is, spring has sprungen.

[03:36] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[03:37] Speaker 1: Spring has sprone. (laughs)

[03:39] Speaker 3: Spring has sprone.

[03:39] Speaker 1: Bertie?

[03:41] Speaker 3: Yeah?

[03:42] Speaker 1: Yeah? You got birds?

[03:44] Speaker 3: I got birds. Yeah. I mean, it's 50 here. Well, so I'm good. That's better than what we've been getting.

[03:49] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

[03:50] Speaker 3: I'm happy.

[03:52] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[03:52] Speaker 3: I'm happy with whatever.

[03:52] Speaker 2: I flew, I flew. I'm your-

[03:53] Speaker 3: I'm in a great mood. I'm so happy to be here today.

[03:56] Speaker 1: I'm happy you're here. Do what you feel-

[03:58] Speaker 3: You guys just give me energy.

[03:59] Speaker 1: (laughs) Kid girl.

[04:01] Speaker 3: And a little bit of coffee helps, right?

[04:02] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[04:03] Speaker 3: A lot of coffee.

[04:04] Speaker 1: A lot of coffee.

[04:05] Speaker 3: A lot of coffee and you guys.

[04:06] Speaker 1: A lot of coffee. Right? It's always fun when we're together. It's good.

[04:09] Speaker 3: Or, or I could say yous guys.

[04:11] Speaker 1: Yous, yous guys.

[04:13] Speaker 3: Yous guys.

[04:13] Speaker 1: Yous guys. Uh, Rob, what were you gonna say? You were gonna say something. You said something.

[04:16] Speaker 2: Well, speaking of birds, uh, that reminded me of something-

[04:19] Speaker 1: Uh-oh.

[04:19] Speaker 2: ... that happened this-

[04:20] Speaker 1: No, no jokes.

[04:21] Speaker 2: No jo- (laughs)

[04:23] Speaker 1: (laughs) Sorry. Go ahead.

[04:24] Speaker 2: Um, no, this isn't a joke. It was just something really cool 'cause I'd never experienced this before, but w- I was flying on, I think it was Wednesday, and m- my longest flight ever. So I did 81 nautical miles and that was really awesome.

[04:37] Speaker 1: Nice.

[04:37] Speaker 2: But, um, we flew underneath like a white, a big white-bellied hawk, and like it was high up there.

[04:44] Speaker 1: Mm.

[04:44] Speaker 2: I think we, we were at 3,500 feet, so it was like above us.

[04:48] Speaker 1: Mm.

[04:48] Speaker 2: And like, I was, and, and so you gotta be careful, obviously. You don't wanna get a bird strike.

[04:52] Speaker 1: Bird strike.

[04:52] Speaker 2: But-

[04:52] Speaker 1: Right.

[04:53] Speaker 2: Yeah. But then the canopy on, uh, my friend's, uh, airplane is like all, it's a bubble canopy.

[04:59] Speaker 1: (gasps)

[04:59] Speaker 2: So it's all-

[05:00] Speaker 1: So you could see?

[05:01] Speaker 2: So like you could s- you could see it right from the bottom. So it's, it's, uh, like a custom-built airplane, so it's not like a Cessna where you can't see up the roof. Like you could see really-

[05:08] Speaker 1: Right. Right.

[05:08] Speaker 2: ... you know? The, the, the range of view is th- uh, is just amazing, and that, that was like one of the coolest things. I was like, "I, I flew underneath a hawk." (laughs)

[05:15] Speaker 1: That is so cool.

[05:17] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[05:20] Speaker 1: Aw.

[05:20] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[05:20] Speaker 1: You probably do it in your sleep.

[05:21] Speaker 2: Probably.

[05:21] Speaker 1: You probably actually do it in your sleep.

[05:23] Speaker 2: I- in my s- in my sleep I am the hawk, but whatever.

[05:25] Speaker 1: Exactly. Whatever.

[05:26] Speaker 2: I'll fly, I'll fly these tin cans as propellers until that day where I become a hawk again.

[05:29] Speaker 1: (laughs) Well, maybe you are one, you just don't know yet.

[05:32] Speaker 2: Oh, I think I already am.

[05:34] Speaker 3: That was me. That was me. I was the hawk that was flying over the plane. I wanted to say hello. (laughs)

[05:39] Speaker 1: See? She was flirty.

[05:39] Speaker 2: I saw it. It had a cup of cof- it had a cup of coffee in its wing.

[05:43] Speaker 3: Did you see?

[05:43] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[05:43] Speaker 3: Yeah. And it was, it was spiraling like pretty quickly, huh? With the-

[05:47] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[05:47] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was gonna go straight into the ground.

[05:50] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[05:50] Speaker 3: That's right, but it didn't 'cause I'm right there.

[05:53] Speaker 2: Nope.

[05:53] Speaker 3: Sorry.

[05:53] Speaker 1: A flat, a flat spin. Sorry. (laughs)

[05:54] Speaker 2: That's like, uh, uh, um, Jonathan Livingston Seagull. Do you guys remember that?

[05:59] Speaker 1: Yes. Yes.

[06:00] Speaker 3: Oh, hello.

[06:01] Speaker 1: You didn't see- oh, you have to watch that.

[06:03] Speaker 3: That's my favorite hero. She talked about that a lot.

[06:04] Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to watch that. Go ahead, Rob, tell her.

[06:07] Speaker 2: What? Oh, I, I don't remember it that well. I haven't seen it since I was a kid, but I remember it being really cool.

[06:12] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[06:12] Speaker 2: And it was on, uh, For the People, That Space a while ago too.

[06:14] Speaker 1: It was, it was.

[06:16] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[06:16] Speaker 1: It basically, in the movie, um, there's one seagull that is just like, "I can fly, I can soar, I can fly." And, and there's like a council in the, in the, you know, group of seagulls, and they're kind of like rolling their eyes and they're like, "Ugh, would you please get your child under control?" And so the mom and dad of Jonathan Livingston Seagull are like, "Come on, you know, you kinda need to, you know, tone it down a little bit." And, "Ugh, ugh," you know, and, "But I can do it, I can fly, I can fly." Anyway, so it's a really, it's a good movie to watch. I love it.

[06:48] Speaker 3: That's me. I know it. I'm like, "Just fly." I know it.

[06:51] Speaker 1: I could do it. Flap my wings.

[06:53] Speaker 3: That's my movie. I gotta watch it.

[06:54] Speaker 1: You gotta watch it.

[06:55] Speaker 3: How come I never see it?

[06:56] Speaker 1: I, I have no idea, Jonathan Livingston Seagull.

[06:57] Speaker 2: It might have been originally a book, as well and, uh-

[06:59] Speaker 1: It was, it was.

[07:01] Speaker 3: Oh, a book.

[07:01] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[07:01] Speaker 1: Uh-huh.

[07:01] Speaker 2: I think... Is it by Richard Bach? 'Cause I remember a friend telling me, like, you know, six degrees of separation. I know this dude, he lives down in the States and he's a magician and (laughs) so we kind of bonded because I, I used to do magic as well, but he was telling me that he knew the guy, like Richard Bach or whatever, and it was really interesting 'cause he had, I think, um... Don't quote me on it, but if I'm remembering the story correctly, he had big ties to aviation too, like back in the barnstorming days where he'd like fly to different, you know, barns or fields and land there and, you know, give kids plane rides, and I was like, "Oh, that's so cool."

[07:31] Speaker 1: Yes.

[07:31] Speaker 2: That's where I, I think the word barnstorming came from.

[07:34] Speaker 1: Uh, that's good, and yes, it was. It was a 1970 novella by Richard Bach about a seagull who rejects the mundane life of his flock to pursue his passion-

[07:44] Speaker 2: Yes.

[07:44] Speaker 1: ... for flight, seeking self-perfection, freedom, and a higher purpose, becoming a bestseller and a cultural to- touchstone for individualism and spiritual growth.

[07:53] Speaker 2: Yay. Perfect. (laughs)

[07:54] Speaker 1: Yay. Aren't you a smarty pants?

[07:57] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[07:58] Speaker 1: That's why we have you on the show. We're just here for the entertainment, you're to be the smarty pants.

[08:04] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[08:04] Speaker 1: (laughs) Okay.

[08:06] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[08:07] Speaker 1: Yeah. So, I, I was thinking, Whiplash Talk, I've always wanted to just help people and I'm t- I'm talking to the audience right now. I've always wanted to help people, um, on their journey because I started this show just thinking, "Okay, you know, there's nobody else out here in the mud, sm- m- mucking through the mud, swimming through the mud on their way to ascension and kind of, you know, working this through." And so I said, "I'll be that person." And so, I was, I was going through my P- The Power of Now book by Eckhart Tolle, and I got to chapter seven, and it just really kind of jumped off the page to me. Actually, I was listening to it, so it really just kind of piqued my interest. And, um, and so I sent it to Rob and I sent it to Bertie and said, "Hey, what do you guys think?" You know, just, you know, perused through it.

[08:54] Speaker 1: No, no instructions, I just sent it to him and said, "Hey, would you just review this?" And so they reviewed it, and then I also noticed that in chapter six, there was some stuff that kind of like led back to chapter six, some stuff that he had referenced. And so, so my whole purpose for this for me, sometimes I have a hard time going within. I'm just being honest because my mind is racing-

[09:19] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[09:19] Speaker 1: ... and I'll find, I'll do my, you know, obligatory three, I command my spirit to take the thoughts in my head and drop them into my heart, count it down, and then I start to go to I command my spirit to increase my life force energy. Man, that pizza sounds really good.

[09:34] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[09:35] Speaker 1: You know? You know? And I'm like, "Crap, I didn't even make it through my first command." You know? And so, I think the thing, uh, you know, we've talked about l- you know, Living Libraries back when our friend was on, when Q was on, and, and, you know, s- pointedly asked, you know, "Well, aren't these, aren't these shows a part of the Living Libraries that'll be here well beyond, you know, after we're all gone and not doing radio anymore or things like that?" And, and so I was thinking, there are three different people, three different personalities. We all get along very well, but we all have different walks. And so that means there's other people out there listening to Sunshine on Whiplash Talk that may not quite...

[10:17] Speaker 1: Like, maybe what I do doesn't work for this person, but maybe what Ron does, they'll go, "Oh, breakthrough."

[10:25] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[10:26] Speaker 1: What Rob does. I said Ron, what Rob does. And so, so I thought... I just asked, talking to the listening audience again, I just asked these two to just come forth with, you know, how do you handle it? You know, w- what do you do? You know, do you struggle with this? And let's kind of use these chapters, and we can go off road, we don't have to stick to these, but let's just kind of talk this through and see if we can lay down some track here that'll really help people that come back, maybe even when this is in archives, come back and talk and listen and go, "God, I'm so glad they talked about going within and the struggles they had and some of the tricks that they used," tricks, you know, whatever you want to call them, to get back. Get back out of that, that mind center and get back into the heart center. What do you think?

[11:12] Speaker 2: I, I totally agree, and it's, it's very, like, like you said, I'm... That's why I'm doing, you know, my show as well is that, like, okay, there's other people out there doing this. And a lot of times, you know, it's like, okay, we read Eckhart but-

[11:24] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[11:24] Speaker 2: And he talks about his story in The Power of Now-

[11:26] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[11:26] Speaker 2: ... and, A New Earth. But, you know, what about people who... There's, there's just so many different walks of life, everybody's playing a different hand.

[11:33] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[11:34] Speaker 2: So it's like, well, it, it, it still makes it seem like, well, this guy, we don't really know who this guy is or what he's gone through. You know, he seemed like he had a-

[11:40] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[11:40] Speaker 2: ... an okay life. So, you know, he didn't, might not have struggled with addictions like drugs and alcohol. So, somebody who's gone through that maybe isn't gonna resonate with Eckhart, you know? So-

[11:49] Speaker 1: Right, right.

[11:50] Speaker 2: Uh, everybody needs somebody who's going through it that's kind of similar.

[11:54] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[11:54] Speaker 2: Um, so they can... You know, you don't wanna try and fit into a box of... 'Cause that's the thing about this, you're not create... You're not, you're not... There's no path. The path is just unfolding moment to moment, you're creating somewhere.

[12:05] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[12:05] Speaker 2: And so my, my path is, isn't, isn't your path, but it's good to have that-... "Aha, well this person's been working through it. Oh yeah, okay this worked for them, this didn't." And so, you know, mind to heart drops.

[12:16] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[12:17] Speaker 2: Um, so many things, like, just bringing yourself back, calling yourself back like, uh, you know, it's like, "Rob," I say that all the time. That's a zen thing, I think. Like, "Rob, yeah, where are you? Not here, okay."

[12:25] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[12:26] Speaker 2: "I need you in the room. I need you fully here, man." Like-

[12:28] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[12:29] Speaker 2: ... stop being in fantasy land. We need to be fully here now, 'cause our point of power is always in the present moment.

[12:33] Speaker 1: In the present moment. Mm-hmm.

[12:34] Speaker 2: Um, and I just remind myself that, you know, like, everything... If you, if you take the stance that everything is alive... So I've, I've, I've said on this show before, see the strange and the familiar. That was something my s- my high school art teacher always told me. "See the strange and the familiar." So next time you say like, aw, you know, like, same, same shit, different day, how many, how many days has that stolen from you?

[12:55] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[12:55] Speaker 2: So, next time you're sitting in your room and you see it as old, try to see it as new. Try to, like, be... Like, that's the most profound gift I've ever had. Like, this morning I woke up and my room hasn't changed, but I just felt different about it. I, I was like, I'm so grateful. Instead of looking at what I don't have-

[13:11] Speaker 1: Right.

[13:11] Speaker 2: ... I looked at all the things I do have.

[13:13] Speaker 1: Right.

[13:13] Speaker 2: So, and, and we can just change our perspective instantly, and that's, you know, we can, w- w- that, that's the practice. Keep coming back to the present moment, and whatever you do, however you do it, i- it doesn't necessarily have to be a one, one and done thing. Um, you're gonna have to keep on remembering. Keep on (laughs) , keep on forgetting and then keep on remembering to come back to the present moment, right?

[13:32] Speaker 1: (laughs) Right. Birdie?

[13:35] Speaker 4: Well, I'm so hyper today. I need (laughs) to calm myself down and be serious. Okay, um, yeah, so I, I listened and I actually just today, which kind of brings it all together. My mind wanders, but I, I'm getting-

[13:51] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[13:51] Speaker 4: ... better at bringing it back. Like, I-

[13:54] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[13:54] Speaker 4: ... I'm not gonna beat myself up and go, "There you go again."

[13:57] Speaker 2: Right.

[13:57] Speaker 4: If I'm trying to just be still and go within, I don't, I don't necessarily meditate, manifest. I don't know those, you know, whatever those words.

[14:08] Speaker 1: (laughs) Right.

[14:08] Speaker 4: I just try to really go within and stay out... A- and for me, going within is clearing my head. Like, just staying out of the mind, staying in the heart.

[14:18] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[14:18] Speaker 4: Staying in the body, the inner body that they talked about.

[14:21] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[14:21] Speaker 4: I think that was chapter six, though.

[14:23] Speaker 1: Yeah, it was good.

[14:24] Speaker 4: And th- and then you can feel it. You can feel it in your arms. You can feel it, it, the energy moving in your body. And then, like, you know, something will pop up in my head, and then I'll be like, "Okay, go back." And I have to keep pulling myself back. So instead of getting frustrated, it's just a matter of just keep going back and keep... As many times as it takes.

[14:46] Speaker 1: Right.

[14:46] Speaker 4: And then eventually, i- it's, it, it is a going within. But I, I wanted to say-

[14:51] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[14:51] Speaker 4: ... I was listening again in the car. I had to go pick up my daughter, and I was like 15 minutes early.

[14:57] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[14:57] Speaker 4: And so I'm sitting in the car and I was listening, and as I'm... This, this relates to you, Rob. Um, because as I'm sitting there, I started wandering. I'm like, "All right, I, I gotta go get her some... I gotta do this. Am I gonna make it back for the show? Blah, blah." You know, doing that. I'm like, "All right, stop." So I'm sitting there and there... Two cars behind me, this guy gets out of the driver's seat, goes into the sidewalk, and starts doing all of this... Uh, what, Rob, what is it? Qigong? It's like... Is that what it's called, right?

[15:28] Speaker 2: Qigong, yeah.

[15:29] Speaker 4: Qigong?

[15:29] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[15:29] Speaker 4: And he's doing this thing with his hands and it looks like martial arts and it... But it was very fluid and... I mean, he's in the car line at the parent pickup on the sidewalk.

[15:40] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[15:40] Speaker 4: I'm like, "Dude, you got some guts."

[15:42] Speaker 1: I love it. I love it.

[15:42] Speaker 4: Like, and, and so I'm like, "How do I," like, "how do I get like a two-second clip so that I could show you guys what was happening?"

[15:49] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[15:49] Speaker 4: So I'm like in the side mirror, like, 'cause I couldn't even believe it was happening. And I'm, like, watching the whole time just, like, smiling. Of course everybody's looking at him like he's crazy. I thought it was awesome.

[16:00] Speaker 1: Right.

[16:00] Speaker 4: And then I look it up and realize, I know Rob said it before, but it's spelled Q-I-G-O-N-G. Or J-O-N-G, right?

[16:09] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. Yeah, G-O-N-G.

[16:10] Speaker 4: Uh-huh, I think so.

[16:11] Speaker 2: So depending on the, the, like... But yeah, Qi, so it's either Q-I, C-H-I, or K-I, depending on, you know, the, I guess, the country of origin type thing.

[16:20] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[16:20] Speaker 4: Yeah, and what popped up for me was the Q-I, and then I watched a little video, and I'm like, "Yep, that's what he was doing."

[16:26] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[16:26] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[16:26] Speaker 4: But I've never actually seen it before, but you've talked about it before. Right as I was trying to go within, and then I started thinking about the show, and then this dude just jumps out of his car and starts doing it.

[16:39] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[16:39] Speaker 4: Does this thing and I'm like, it's just... We're powerful creators. We really are.

[16:44] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[16:44] Speaker 4: And it, it was just so cool. But yeah, I mean, my, my mind can go, as you know, both of you. (laughs)

[16:51] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[16:51] Speaker 4: My mind can go. (laughs)

[16:53] Speaker 1: But it's good.

[16:55] Speaker 4: I go, I'm like, "I'm a subject. Ooh." (laughs)

[16:57] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[16:57] Speaker 2: Well, the... That's the thing too is, I, I, now sort of the past couple weeks is I just keep reminding myself, like, this present moment is way too beautiful, even if you're just sitting in your living room. Just, like, like, if you take the stance, like I said before, that everything is alive and you're generating it instantly without even any deliberation whatsoever, just that in and of itself is beautiful.

[17:19] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[17:19] Speaker 2: But, like, so if I, if I drift off and it's like, this moment's so beautiful. And, and, like, I've, I've been (laughs) you know, I've talked about the Walter Mitty thing so many times. It's crazy how, how our mind makes up these stories. You know, I'll do this and then this'll happen and then this person, and it's so much of it, like, the CCR song is. Like, Someday Never Comes. You know, so many of the things that I fantasized about or thought were gonna happen don't.

[17:40] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[17:40] Speaker 2: And then you set yourself up for excitement and then failure and then, you know, elation and then discouraged. And so just every moment, every step, you have everything you need for the next step, and that's all you can really... I won't- I don't wanna say worry about, but all you need to focus on is just this one step and give it your full attention, and don't worry about the outcomes, 'cause who cares?

[18:03] Speaker 1: Yeah. And that is, that is something that, um, is... You know, it's hard for all of us. I don't want them to think that, that, that we've got it all perfected. Um, because as, as you hear, w- w- you know, we have, we have the mind stuff going on as well, and we have to, you know, yank ourselves back in different ways. And...And the power of now, I'll, I'll be honest. I've had the book for a while, and it's, it's so meaty that I have to get my knife and fork out when I'm reading it. It's not an easy read. It's a great read, but you can only read, me personally, I can only speak for me, I can only read, you know, maybe, maybe a chapter if I'm, if I'm really good. But like, I'll get stuck on something. I'm like, "Oh my gosh, that is so good. I need to read that again. I need to think about... Wow, what? Wow, that's deep." And I just get stuck. But it's where, I get stuck where I need to get stuck, if that makes sense. It's not a, I Conquered The Book book.

[18:58] Speaker 1: If you're gonna try to read it for that, it's not that book. It's more of a toolbox for me, if that makes sense, to go in there and just kind of dig and like, "Do I need, do I need pliers or do I need Channellocks for this one?" You know, kind of thing, and anyway.

[19:14] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[19:14] Speaker 1: It's just really a good book, and, and I know, uh, Birdie mentioned that, you know, you know, when you go within, you know, you know, you can feel it in your arms and you can feel it in whatever. Um, sometimes I don't, but I know I'm in, and so for those of you that, that... And I think, correct me if I'm wrong, Ron, Ron Amatron specialist, AKA Rob.

[19:34] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[19:35] Speaker 1: I believe, I believe that he has said that some feel it and some don't. And but, but I have felt it, but then there's sometimes I haven't. And it's okay if you haven't, and it's really great if you have. Um...

[19:49] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

[19:50] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[19:50] Speaker 2: A- and you know what? That's the thing, is that when you've... Like, honestly we're coming o- we're, we're overcoming thousands of years of programming.

[19:58] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.

[19:58] Speaker 2: And everybody's at different places. Some people aren't gonna ascend, some people are. Um, you know, it's like everybody's at different ages, different, you know... Some people wanna go, you know, when you go to the amusement park, some people wanna go on the coaster again, and some people don't.

[20:11] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[20:11] Speaker 2: And that's kind of like how it is here. That's why I, I, I kind of agree with Q one time he said like, "In a way they're pushing this great awakening, this great awakening's happening." Well, I look out my h- my, my windows go, and I don't see any great awakening, and it's like-

[20:26] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[20:26] Speaker 2: ... we don't need to project that in the field, because going within has nothing to do with a great awakening that's happening to everybody else. Will it happen? Maybe.

[20:34] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[20:34] Speaker 2: But what does that look like? The great awakening is, it's an inside job, and so, um, yeah, and, and that's just the way I see it, so...

[20:43] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really good.

[20:46] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[20:46] Speaker 1: B- Birdie, jump in if you need to.

[20:49] Speaker 3: No, go ahead.

[20:49] Speaker 1: Want to. Okay.

[20:50] Speaker 3: I'm, I'm, I'm enjoy- I'm, I'm calming myself. I'm shushing myself-

[20:53] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[20:53] Speaker 3: ... as, as our dear sister says.

[20:56] Speaker 2: I love-

[20:56] Speaker 3: I'm gonna shush myself.

[20:57] Speaker 1: Shush myself.

[20:58] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[20:59] Speaker 1: So funny. Um, For The People.Space had a really good post too. Oh. Wow. Had a really good post too. Um, I gotta get off of what I was on, and it, it was talking about, uh, the Timelines and Travelers Part One and Timelines and Travelers Part Two, and it kind of got into this a little bit, but it was talking about, um, what we're living right now. This is reading from Timelines and Travelers Part One For The People.Space on March 5th, 2026. It says, "What we're living right now is a higher or alternative timeline to what actually happened before many of us returned from the future to change the past." And he, he alluded, he, he danced all around this when he was on the radio with us earlier, kind of danced all around that. But now it's just boom right here, um, you know, that we are from the future coming back to the past to fix.

[21:57] Speaker 1: And it says, "The horrors of, you know, concerning C-E-R-N, AI taking over, a nuclear war that wipes out most of the world, and people morphing into uncontrollable zombies that turn on each other to the death, is old news. It's already happened." It already happened. What it's talking about this is old news, it already happened. We already lived that, and we're currently creating a higher experience for much better future. We've talked about... You guys know that I really like some of Dolores Cannon's teachings, and we've talked about that split, that split timeline that she talked about, that at a certain point that that timeline's gonna split, and I saw that as this. Did you guys see that as well or what did you see from that comment, if anything?

[22:45] Speaker 2: Well, I, I see it as it's, um, like kind of like what I alluded to, like expecting to see it outside with that, the outside world, like even Jesus said, "The kingdom shall not come through observation."

[22:56] Speaker 1: Yep.

[22:56] Speaker 2: And it's a frequency.

[22:58] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[22:58] Speaker 2: P- you're in peace or you're not, you know? Like Osho says-

[23:01] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[23:01] Speaker 2: ... there's no such thing as peace of mind. There's peace or mind. So you're either peaceful in the present moment and-

[23:06] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[23:06] Speaker 2: ... or not. And that's the thing, and, and Ron was just very adamant about that. You don't need to do all this stuff, like the mind to heart drops, some commands, clearing out your genetic cellular memory using the creation light ship clearings for those of us who might be farther down the rabbit hole and don't have as much spirit until we get fortified in ourselves enough to be able to do it.

[23:25] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[23:25] Speaker 2: But it's up to us to bring us back to the present moment. It's in, it's-

[23:27] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[23:28] Speaker 2: ... always gonna just be present moment, present moment, present moment.

[23:30] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[23:30] Speaker 2: Now, now, now.

[23:32] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.

[23:32] Speaker 2: You know?

[23:32] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[23:33] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[23:33] Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I just thought it was interesting that this got brought up to the front, and I just wanna say, and I'm sure you guys can chime in too, um, the posting that, um... Where is it? It wasn't The Plight. Hold on. It wasn't Epic Fury. It's the one right before that, wasn't it? The one that Asha posted that she knows o- Ovation.

[23:59] Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Ovation.

[24:00] Speaker 3: Ovation.

[24:00] Speaker 1: Thank, thank, thank you for-

[24:02] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[24:02] Speaker 1: ... Ovation posted on February 23rd, 2026. We love you too, Asha. We love you too, we see you too. So, um, going back to the book, going back to how we all stay in our now or in our heart center or, uh, you know, take our hearts... Take our hearts. (laughs) Take our thoughts and drop them into our hearts, um-What are any tricks? What are any hiccups? What, what's something that you think... If you could tell somebody that was listening today, "Don't lose heart. You've got this." I'm gonna put it to both of you, you can p- pick who goes first. What would you say?

[24:41] Speaker 2: Go ahead, Birdie (laughs) .

[24:45] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[24:45] Speaker 2: I'm such a gentleman.

[24:46] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[24:46] Speaker 4: That's his favorite part.

[24:46] Speaker 2: I'm just ladies first, you know?

[24:49] Speaker 4: You are so...

[24:49] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[24:49] Speaker 4: (laughs) You're so giving, Rob, I'm telling you.

[24:51] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[24:52] Speaker 4: Gosh, your generosity is overwhelming.

[24:56] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[24:56] Speaker 4: Um, can you... Can we repeat the question?

[24:59] Speaker 1: Absolutely. For the people that are listening today, if there's one thing that you could leave them with today on how to stay centered, how to stay in your heart center, how to, you know, stay in the now, what would you say?

[25:18] Speaker 4: Okay. Well, it, it takes a lot of practice. It is not-

[25:22] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[25:22] Speaker 4: I mean, it's like I, like we all say, it's simple, but it's not easy.

[25:26] Speaker 1: Right, right.

[25:27] Speaker 4: It's, um, especially when you're dealing with a lot of outside people, you're, you're out in the world, you're in the workplace, you have-

[25:36] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[25:37] Speaker 4: ... family and friends that aren't really on the same journey.

[25:42] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good.

[25:42] Speaker 4: So, breathing, like, I, I, I would try... I, I used to react, you know? It's like sometimes it's like you're standing there, and you're like a, you know, little happy-go-lucky, you know, like a little deer prancing through and then bam! You know (laughs) , it's like, "Wait. Wh- why would you do that?" Like I just never see it coming. And so, I always would get shocked by people saying something like that, I don't think that way, I don't feel that way, and I used to react. Like I would cry immediately if someone hurt my feelings or said something mean.

[26:13] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[26:13] Speaker 4: And I'm much better, but it's, it's taken me years to not be... It's, it's trying to take the emotion out of it, of, you know, even if someone's... maybe say something that's hurtful, it's... I, I want to say, my heart. So, sometimes you can't help it. I mean, the tears might come or if it's like real harsh-

[26:35] Speaker 1: Right. Right.

[26:35] Speaker 4: But for me, I, I make it... I try so hard not to react at all.

[26:42] Speaker 1: Right.

[26:42] Speaker 4: Like not... Like, okay, take a de- I- breathing is, is key.

[26:46] Speaker 1: Huge.

[26:46] Speaker 4: And that, and I mean, just that old yoga breathing where... 'Cause you have to focus until you get good at it.

[26:51] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[26:51] Speaker 4: Where when you breathe in, you're pushing your stomach out-

[26:56] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[26:56] Speaker 4: ... because that's the way we used to breathe as babies, right? Like, you... when you-

[26:59] Speaker 1: Right.

[26:59] Speaker 4: ... when you're breathing in, we all some- at somewhere along the line started breathing in and like sucking in your stomach, and then when you exhale... But instead, when you breathe in, you push your stomach out, and then when you exhale, you just let it fall. Well, that... When you don't do that, it feels unnatural. So, you can't think because you have to focus on that breathing.

[27:23] Speaker 1: Right.

[27:23] Speaker 4: And now, I've been doing that for years, so that... now, I naturally breathe that way where my s- you know, you push your stomach out when you're inhaling.

[27:31] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[27:31] Speaker 4: So, the breathing helps. Um, and then I have to tell myself, ev- if my mind's going-

[27:37] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[27:38] Speaker 4: ... stay in your heart, stay in your heart, stay in your heart, because I never want to hurt anybody.

[27:42] Speaker 1: Right.

[27:42] Speaker 4: I don't want to fire back. I don't-

[27:44] Speaker 1: Right.

[27:44] Speaker 4: You know, it's that turn the other cheek kind of thing. I don't want to go lower. I don't want to react. Obviously, this person's saying something or doing something or this happened. Maybe they're hurting. Like, I don't... Like, basically staying out of judgment, which is-

[28:00] Speaker 1: Right.

[28:00] Speaker 4: ... really difficult because there's some outrageous stuff going on. There could be.

[28:05] Speaker 1: Right.

[28:05] Speaker 4: But it, it... Just don't allow it in your reality. There doesn't have to be dark in your reality if you don't allow it. If it doesn't exist, it doesn't exist. And that takes a ton of practice, but it's really, really awesome when you get glimpses of that type of peace.

[28:24] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[28:24] Speaker 4: Does that make sense?

[28:26] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really good.

[28:28] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[28:28] Speaker 1: That's really good.

[28:28] Speaker 2: I, I like the... everything that you said, Birdie, and breathing for me-

[28:32] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[28:32] Speaker 2: ... that's always the closest and the most immediate. So, like, you know, if you can't do a mind-to-heart drop out loud, the mind-to-heart drop for me is always my go-to.

[28:41] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[28:41] Speaker 2: I'll go whisper it, or I'll-

[28:42] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[28:42] Speaker 2: ... excuse myself to go to the bathroom and do the mind-to-heart drop.

[28:45] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[28:45] Speaker 2: But also, um, here's the little thing I don't know if I ever shared with on the radio, and I don't know really where I picked it up or... I think I got it from... I heard Ron always scribbling when he was doing clearings, and I think that he was using a pencil. Like, I remember him saying he was using a pencil. I don't know exactly what he... But I just, it just sounded like he was just scribbling, and I think it was just to dissipate the energy as it ran through his body.

[29:07] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[29:07] Speaker 2: So, say if you're getting psychically attacked by somebody, like they're really projecting mind energy at you, and y- you don't want to like... You can't... You just feel like in a position that I'm just gonna listen to them rather than, you know, provoke them by walking away or something, is I put my... cross my arms behind me, and I just kind of flap my fingers, and it's like I... They can't see the hand, but I'm just like letting... making, making sure that any energies that's hitting me is just getting dissipated out through the other side through movement, right?

[29:34] Speaker 2: So, I'm not-

[29:35] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[29:35] Speaker 2: And I'm trying to focus on my breath, but also just like, okay, if there is energy that, that's trying to stick to me, I can just move my hand or my finger and... I don't know. I've been doing that and, and it seems to work (laughs) sometimes, but maybe it's psychological-

[29:45] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[29:45] Speaker 2: ... or maybe it has no effect. But little things like that, and like the, the breathing is the most immediate thing, because as Birdie was saying, if somebody's triggering you and you... It's like, I could take a deep breath and not respond, you know? Like at, at Christmas, I think I've mentioned before, at Christmas, we were talking about, you know, I have nephews and whatever. It's not my place to say anything about what's going on, what they're, what they're teaching here in Canada in gender studies-

[30:07] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[30:07] Speaker 2: ... and all this stuff.

[30:08] Speaker 1: Right. Mm-hmm.

[30:08] Speaker 2: And I got really triggered about something and it's like, "You know what? I don't even have to..." I just took a few deep breaths and I was like, "I don't even have to engage or share my opinion on this, you know?" And everybody was like looking at me like, 'cause I usually have something to say, and I was like, "Ah, well." (laughs) To each their own.

[30:22] Speaker 1: Right, right.

[30:24] Speaker 2: You know? Yeah.

[30:24] Speaker 1: That's good. That's good. I'm, I'm in the same field as you both. Um, on a show quite a while back, I shared a, a breathing technique that was shared through Dolores Cannon, and it was, you know, inhale for four, hold for four, exhale for four, and then say, "I am here now."And, uh, sometimes, like, if I'm... Sun- sunshine, are you here? And, um, so I'm not sometimes, and so I have to kind of yank it back and the breathing is big for me. I also learned, and I know this sounds weird, but that skin between your thumb and your first finger, that if you just pinch that, it- it- it- it kind of like, it wakes you up kind of thing. And sometimes I'll just do that to kind of bring me back. It's like if I'm in a- in a tense situation to where I'm just like, okay, you need to be here now. You need- you need to center. And sometimes I'll just hold that area there. That's a natural thing that I do. It's not a spiritual thing, I would say.

[31:29] Speaker 1: But, um, yeah, sometimes- sometimes it's a battle, and I know that when I'm in that battle, I've- I've got to kind of, uh, realize that, okay, why- why am I having such a hard time with this? And then try to put the pieces together. You know, did I not- did I not get my quiet time in or why am I under attack? Where's the attack? Like observe, observe what is going on. Why am I having such a hard time? You know, that kind of thing. But I'm with you guys. It's the breathing. It's the breathing and the- and the focusing back on- on the now, bringing it back to the now.

[32:02] Speaker 2: Yeah. And the- the breathing is- is your moving energy. Like every breath, if you think about it, it's in and out, and like I- I always revert back, I say that too, only in movement is life and that's from the Essene Gospel of Peace. And- and so doing qigong or just going for a walk and when I walk now, like, I, unless I'm going somewhere, I'm, you know, gotta be on time, today, this morning or yesterday when I- I had the whole day, the whole afternoon to just go for a walk to pick, do an errand and I'm like, I don't have to be home by a specific time. Like whatever, if I get home at midnight, that's fine. I'm just going to walk in peace.

[32:34] Speaker 1: Right. Right.

[32:34] Speaker 2: And- and I walk differently. I walk very s- like shorter steps, um, and walk consciously. Like do the mind to heart drop, get into your body, feel what it's like-

[32:43] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[32:43] Speaker 2: ... to be in your body, and you're gonna start to realize, like, oh, I have a kind of like my hip clicks kind of when I walk-

[32:49] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[32:49] Speaker 2: ... because your walk has become so robotic, you probably don't even notice because everybody just has a walk. And so for myself, like, okay, my right hip clicks, my left knee kind of has tension at that point and when you start changing that and focusing on it and then you start walking smoother. You're- I- like you're- you're relaxing even though you're walking. It doesn't need to be this like, you know, I used to jog and then I was like, you know, I would walk kind of with intent, like almost like a army march, and then now I'm to the point where I'm like, I just waddle around like (laughs) you know-

[33:17] Speaker 1: That's good.

[33:17] Speaker 2: At peace with- with- with this like graceful walk and- and that- that... But going for a walk, breathing, just doing qigong, doing- even doing the dishes in a present state.

[33:27] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[33:28] Speaker 2: Um, just anything that's physical to ground you into the present moment. The- the easiest way, like, being stuck in your head is just because you're not moving. If you get up and take one step or one action in towards, you know, something that's going to benefit you or the direction you want to go, that's way more powerful than any planning, strategizing, or thinking about stuff, you know.

[33:47] Speaker 1: Right. I want to go back to you were talking about being aware of your body because in the Power of Now book by Eckhart Tolle in Chapter 6, it's called The Inner Body, I-N-N-E-R Body.

[33:57] Speaker 2: Yep.

[33:58] Speaker 1: It says, "The art of inner body awareness will develop into a completely new way of living, a state of permanent connectedness with Being," capital B, Being.

[34:08] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[34:09] Speaker 1: "And will add a depth to your life that you have never known before." And then it says, "It is easy to stay present as the observer of your mind when you are deeply rooted within your body. No matter what happens on the outside, nothing can shake you anymore. Unless you stay present, and inhabiting your body is always an essential aspect of it, you will continue to run- be run by your mind."

[34:35] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

[34:36] Speaker 1: And so that's exactly what you're talking about. You're like, you, and correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like that's what you're talking about. You're like, just listen to your body, just be one with your body and observe.

[34:46] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[34:46] Speaker 1: And- and yeah, it was really good. I lo- I love this book. There's so many nuggets in it.

[34:51] Speaker 2: Yeah, I read it actually in 2021 after kind of had my- my, uh, seeing the light moment and it was really interesting because I was just, like thing, that- that's why I want to be there for people because things can get crazy. Once you start waking up, I feel like I didn't know that there was going to be more attacks or I didn't know what the- the mind is, even goes off the deep end. Like I was trying to find out like what the heck's going on with spirituality and there's so many dark rabbit holes and numbers and gematria and all this stuff and like it took me a couple years to find Ron and Q, but like if you could, if I could save people from going through that 'cause it'll, your mind will make you go crazy, you know. And- and so I read The Power of Now, um, and I need, like it came to me right at the- the moment when I needed the most. I forget who sent it to me. I think somebody lent it to me.

[35:34] Speaker 2: Um, but it- it was really good and- and that was, yeah, 2021 and- and I still reread it every now and then so it was kind of synchronistic.

[35:42] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good.

[35:43] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[35:44] Speaker 1: Byrdie, Byrdie, here's your caffeine. Off you go.

[35:46] Speaker 4: Rob, you actually, Rob reminded me of something. So just another, like I- I'm going to just let it out what a weirdo I can be.

[35:54] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[35:54] Speaker 4: Um, but it was... You guys know it, but, um, so even you said about doing the dishes.

[36:01] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[36:01] Speaker 4: I have a, I have a dishwasher, but we never had one growing up. So I don't use the dishwasher. I use it as a drying rack and I do all the dishes by hand and I have a big family. And so like you said about being present, I practice on everything I do, like I, you know, sometimes you're doing stuff and your mind's everywhere else. So I- I put the music on.

[36:24] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[36:25] Speaker 4: And I, you know, just- just washing silverware. Nobody ever washes the handle. They just wash,-

[36:30] Speaker 1: Oh, no, I do.

[36:30] Speaker 4: ... you know, the top of the fork. Oh, and I know you do because you're like... (laughs)

[36:34] Speaker 1: On your Twinkie. Yeah. Yeah.

[36:38] Speaker 4: I think of each piece as like let me give each dish my attention as if it's like a living object, it's alive and it's like, well, I want to get a shower too. Like I, you know, I have all this stuff on me and I kind of like look at each individual dish because it keeps me present and it's not like, you know, just a task. It's like, oh, I got to hurry up and do these so I can do that and just washing things really fast. I'll stand at the sink, I'll put on music. Sometimes I'll dance at the sink.

[37:07] Speaker 5: But I watch, like I'll watch each individual one, and I like make up this whole little like, I mean, like a child. I make up stories and like, it, it just keeps me in, like fun. So like, it's kind of like whatever it takes, and who cares what, I don't care anymore. Like yes, I'm wild and weird and everybody knows it that lives with me, but it's endearing, and so what? Right?

[37:29] Speaker 1: Right.

[37:29] Speaker 5: Like, so what if it's, so what if it's odd? And you know, the other thing, like I, you know, we all find something that might soothe or help us stay present, and like I found this, it was called, it's called a peacock rock, like a st- and it's beautiful.

[37:47] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[37:47] Speaker 5: And I keep it in my purse and carry it everywhere. So if I'm ever kind of in a situation that's unexpected or I'm, I'm just not really prepared or, like I, I just try and stay in the present. So I don't really see things coming too often.

[38:02] Speaker 1: Right.

[38:02] Speaker 5: I could just go in my purse, and I'll hold it in my hand, and I'll only focus on the energy of that. It, it's enough to just hold in the palm of my hand.

[38:12] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[38:12] Speaker 5: And it was something that I discovered almost by accident because I was like in this situation and someone was really just um, their energy was not matching mine. And I was kind of in this position where I really couldn't leave at that moment, so I'm like okay. And I felt the, in my pur- so I grabbed it, and I carried it around with me, and it really just (laughs) kind of just made me focus on what was in my hand.

[38:37] Speaker 1: Right.

[38:37] Speaker 5: Like I know it might be like a coping mechanism, if you wanna call it that, but it was, it was helping me stay present and be like okay, I'm here, I'm focusing on how pretty this thing is. It's got every color, it's beautiful. I'm sure I have a castle made of it.

[38:51] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[38:51] Speaker 5: You know? And I just kinda go there. I mean look, whatever it takes to stay present. We're here, you know? It doesn't have to be dark.

[38:58] Speaker 1: Right.

[38:58] Speaker 5: It doesn't have to be, you know, attacks. It could just be-

[39:01] Speaker 1: Right.

[39:01] Speaker 5: ... okay, well I'm gonna stay present. Like this is, like as my girl says, this is not my jam. Right? (laughs)

[39:07] Speaker 1: Right, right. (laughs)

[39:07] Speaker 5: This is not my jam. I'm, I'm just gonna kinda go within and have a little fun with myself. Like...

[39:13] Speaker 1: Right, right.

[39:14] Speaker 5: Yeah? Make sense?

[39:15] Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. So what commands do you guys do? We do the heart, mind-to-heart drop, which is, you know, I command my spirit to take the thoughts in my head and drop them into my heart with the count ten to one, five to one, three to one, whichever one you do, right? Yeah

[39:31] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[39:31] Speaker 1: Do it three, do it three times, and then are there other ones that y- are there other commands, like tools that we can give our listeners to do? Uh..

[39:41] Speaker 5: Yeah, of course. I have like a standard kind of group that I do-

[39:45] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[39:45] Speaker 5: ... couple times a day.

[39:46] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[39:47] Speaker 5: Um, command my spirit to, uh, close my crown chakra and shrink out my aura.

[39:51] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[39:51] Speaker 5: That's uh, commanding my spirit to increase my life force energy, or, or-

[39:55] Speaker 1: Mine too.

[39:56] Speaker 5: ... uh, yeah, to, to maximize my life force energy within my body.

[40:00] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[40:00] Speaker 5: Um, when you do, when you command your spirit to clear anything that is not uh, your authentic self in this moment, or-

[40:06] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[40:06] Speaker 5: ... anything that's not from source, that's great.

[40:08] Speaker 1: Right.

[40:08] Speaker 5: But you also have to ca- call your spirit back after you do that. So if you're commanding, you know, clearing your, your field, there's gonna be gaps where your spirit left, so you c- I command all of my spirit and all of my light fragments back to me here now.

[40:21] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[40:21] Speaker 5: Um, I command all of me disconnected from all parallel lives here now.

[40:26] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[40:26] Speaker 5: And um, e- you know, and then command your preferred states of being, you know? I command my spirit to just hold me in perfect peace, you know? Um-

[40:34] Speaker 1: Right.

[40:34] Speaker 5: ... whatever it is. Uh, make them up, have fun with it. Whatever can, can, you'll, you'll start feeling it. That's the thing. It took me months before I th- could start feeling the, even the mind-to-heart drop, but now I can actually feel it. And so you're gonna, you're gonna start trusting yourself more and more. You're gonna start feeling when you're embodied in spirit. Like when I'm-

[40:51] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[40:52] Speaker 5: ... you know, doing qigong, and, and sometimes it's, it's easy to forget. Like some days I wake up and I feel like everything I learnt is a lie, and, and you know, and then it takes me, like yesterday I don't think I felt grounded and more spirit in my body till like mid-afternoon after I got back from my walk and I was like, "Oh yeah, I'm light. Like, I'm light."

[41:07] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

[41:08] Speaker 5: I had a lot of stuff to clear 'cause I had a busy few days and lots of energy, and flying with the guys and helping my friend move and, you know, uh, like doing all this... Oh, you know what I did for the first time, which was very interesting? I really wanted to share this with you guys.

[41:19] Speaker 1: (laughs) Please share. What?

[41:21] Speaker 5: Um, I went into a sensory deprivation float tank.

[41:24] Speaker 1: You did?

[41:26] Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah. That was pretty-

[41:27] Speaker 1: Wow.

[41:27] Speaker 5: ... that was pretty crazy. So that was, that was an interesting thing, but wow. It was, it was good because it took me like h- 40 minutes before, you go in for an hour and a half.

[41:36] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[41:36] Speaker 5: And it took me like 40 minutes before I could really relax, and it's, it's a strange experience because you're in this like, you know, chamber all by yourself or whatever, it's like a, a w- I don't even know what you'd call it, like a, yeah, like a, it's um, like a closeable door. It's almost like um, a little submarine or something, you know? (laughs)

[41:53] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.

[41:54] Speaker 5: Um, and, and you're floating and like you don't realize... it just, it was really cool. And so I, I d- had to do a lot of mind-to-heart drops and breathing in there, um, but it was really good to be free of any s- kind of outside stimulation, and, and I feel like that was, you know, calling my spirit back then was really good, but yeah.

[42:11] Speaker 1: Wow. That's cool.

[42:13] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[42:13] Speaker 1: That's really cool. I did-

[42:15] Speaker 5: That is cool.

[42:16] Speaker 1: L- but I know, right? (laughs)

[42:17] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

[42:18] Speaker 1: Um, I do a lot of those same commands, and when we say them just quickly like that, we do them three times. I d- I do mine three times. I shouldn't say we. I, I'm not with Rob when he does his commands. (laughs)

[42:29] Speaker 5: (laughs)

[42:30] Speaker 1: But I do it three times, and um, each. So Birdie, Birdie is there anything that, it's like, it's 11:42, 11:43 here, so we've got just a few minutes left. I know that you've got, um, the one command that you shared with me that's really good. I don't even know if I have it right here. It's the one that um...

[42:52] Speaker 5: Always stay connected to source.

[42:54] Speaker 1: Yep.

[42:54] Speaker 5: That's my big one.

[42:55] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it.

[42:56] Speaker 5: And that's like, that's an all-encompassing one for me.

[42:59] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[42:59] Speaker 5: What I think is really cool is through this journey, it used, you know, when you're first learning, and it's like I'm, I'm p- like you know, I'm trying to be perfect. I'm writing down word-for-word verbatim everything they're like being said, I'm like, "I gotta say it right." And you know, and Ron Amitran used to do the count, he used to go, "Ten..."

[43:18] Speaker 4: ... three times, like, ten, nine, eight, seven-

[43:20] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[43:20] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

[43:20] Speaker 4: And I would do it, but it was like, uh, you know, I really wanted to do it right and I was so concerned about not doing it correctly.

[43:28] Speaker 1: Yep.

[43:29] Speaker 4: And then over time, it's like you find your wings, so to speak-

[43:33] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[43:33] Speaker 4: ... right?

[43:33] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

[43:34] Speaker 4: And so-

[43:34] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really good.

[43:35] Speaker 4: Yeah. Like, uh, now, I'm very free floating with commands and the, the, the stable one that I do is... I mean, uh, sometimes I'll go a whole day going, "I didn't do any commands today," but I really didn't need to do commands today because I was present all day and it, it just, it was like, it's just like, oh, wow, I didn't really do anything today. Like, I'm just living and I'm being in the present and everything's fine.

[44:00] Speaker 4: And then-

[44:01] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[44:01] Speaker 4: ... sometimes, you know, there's times where it happens to all of us, where you get in your head a little bit.

[44:07] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[44:07] Speaker 4: Or there's a situation or a circumstance-

[44:10] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[44:10] Speaker 4: ... that you're like, hmm. Um, like silly things. Like, I think we talked about this earlier. I had s- like, you know, just synchronicity happen all the time, as you know. And for me, that's just reassurance that I'm on the right path. I'm, I'm doing, you know... I have things pop up all day long, so you have fun with it. But the one command is, um, I command my spirit to always stay connected to source and-

[44:35] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[44:35] Speaker 4: ... everyone and everything that is authentically from source.

[44:39] Speaker 1: Yeah. That's really good.

[44:39] Speaker 4: So it's, for me, it's just all-encompassing. Like, I just wanna stay connected to source. Um, the mind to heart drop I use onl- I, I... It's not a daily thing for me anymore.

[44:51] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[44:51] Speaker 4: And now I'm like, three, two, one, snap. Like, there's no pa- like, I'm just like, it'll all work. I don't even sometimes have to do... I feel like-

[44:59] Speaker 1: Right.

[44:59] Speaker 4: ... we're strong enough as you get to this point, there doesn't have to be rules. You know, sometimes my commands are long-winded and I feel like I'm d- and then I start laughing 'cause I, I'll say stuff and I'll be like, "You know..." And I'll just go on (laughs) and went about something and I'm like, "Wait, does this person..." And I'd laugh. I couldn't repeat what I said, but it was from the heart. And then I go, "Okay, three, two, one, snap." And then, um, I just kinda laugh. So you can... It doesn't have to always be really serious and perfect. Do it from your heart and it can't be wrong.

[45:30] Speaker 1: Right.

[45:30] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

[45:31] Speaker 1: Um, and even w- and even when you're brand new, um, you know, mm, the, the outlines, I don't know if it's rules, but the out- the rules, the outline, the, mm, pattern, I don't know what word to use, is there to help us learn, um, so we have a template to follow, and then once, once you've used that template, it's kind of like cooking. Like, for me, I'll follow a recipe maybe once. (laughs) And then, and then I'm like, okay, I'm going off-road. I call it going off-road. I, I want a little bit more of this, a little less of that, and you know what'd be really great in here is this. You know, that kind of thing.

[46:07] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[46:07] Speaker 1: And so, um, yeah. It's just once you kind of get your training wheels off, which everybody... There's people listening to this that, that just strapped on their training wheels. And so it's okay to have your training wheels on. It's okay-

[46:20] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[46:20] Speaker 1: ... because you're just learning who you are and that it's not that physical flesh suit, that you are actually source, that you are actually light, and it's okay to have training wheels on because not all of us know, you know, who we are. We know, w- we may know we're light, but we not, may not know who we are or that kind of thing, and it's okay.

[46:39] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[46:39] Speaker 1: It's absolutely okay. So-

[46:41] Speaker 2: That, that's the thing, is that, um, it's important to, like, like Bertie said, to just be relaxed. Like, we're so-

[46:48] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[46:49] Speaker 2: I don't know about you guys.

[46:49] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[46:50] Speaker 2: I'm not gonna include you, but, like, we're so stuck into mind energy. Like, I know-

[46:54] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[46:54] Speaker 2: ... I had so much trauma about not getting things right, about being a kid, about making mistakes. Oh, my parents won't love me. I won't get a good job. I won't get straight As. Like, we're so... Like, this indoctrination station that we call-

[47:04] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[47:04] Speaker 2: ... Earth (laughs) that we-

[47:05] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

[47:06] Speaker 2: ... were born into is so strict with us that, like, we're so... Are, am I doing it right? Like, even qigong, I, I've been doing it for about a year now. A- you know, (laughs) like Bertie said, I was so scared and I was like, I'm like, I, I don't even know what I'm doing and I'm just starting, and I was like, but I wanna do it in my backyard. And I was like, well, and I started, you know, what if somebody sees me out there?

[47:22] Speaker 2: And it's like, well-

[47:23] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[47:23] Speaker 2: ... what if somebody sees me (laughs) and, and then my mom said, "Well, what if somebody sees you and you inspire them to start doing it?" And I was like, "Yeah. Good call." And so I went from like-

[47:30] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[47:30] Speaker 2: ... being nervous 'cause I don't know what I'm gonna be doing to, like-

[47:33] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[47:33] Speaker 2: ... I'm going out there and doing the best I can.

[47:35] Speaker 1: Exactly.

[47:35] Speaker 2: And instead of this perfection, because perfection is your enemy. Like, you, you know-

[47:39] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[47:39] Speaker 2: ... nobody... Like, to start something is, is wonderful. To be, to be crappy, embrace, embi- embrace being crappy at something, 'cause-

[47:47] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[47:47] Speaker 2: ... you know, it's, it's not gonna last very long. You know, you, you spend a, a year doing something, even if it's a couple times a week, like, you're gonna be light years ahead of where you were. So just get started. Y- take that one next step. That's all. That's the most, the most important thing is the next step, so just give it your fullest attention, right? And-

[48:03] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[48:03] Speaker 2: ... so like Bertie said, being relaxed. Like, I-

[48:05] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[48:05] Speaker 2: ... was so worried about, am I doing it wrong? Or like... And you, and when... And we don't realize that we're source. You know, you, you s- you have these glimpses of it, but then it's like you feel like it's still so ingrained in us that there's this authority outside of us or God that's not gonna let us get into the pearly gates. That has nothing to do with ascension. It's just being able to hold spirit energy. So, you know, thinking that you're not gonna be able to do it is stopping you from doing it, (laughs) you know?

[48:27] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah

[48:28] Speaker 2: And, and that's how, that's how bad it is. So learn. Do it, like, from a relaxed, as a matter of fact state, but we're so used to being serious and you gotta, you know, uh, like, whatever. But we're not used to being in that relaxed flow state all the time, you know?

[48:41] Speaker 1: Right. Yeah. I know for me, one of the commands I do, I got from one of our close friends and it, and it has to do with... I have to go in and out of the matrix because of, you know, the job I have. It's not the stressful job I used to have, but I still have a job, and it's dealing with the public. And so it's commanding prime, m- commanding my spirit and prime creation to only allow beings of light, light beings and benevolent beings in my self-created animation system now.

[49:09] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[49:10] Speaker 1: And it works. I'll, I'll approach people as they come into the area where I'm at, and they will not even acknowledge that I'm there. It's like they didn't hear me. And I'll approach other people, welcome them in, and they just shine and beam and they just interact with me. And so I'm like, okay, so I don't chase the other ones trying to say, "Hey, did you hear me?" You know, I'm, I'm supposed to, you know, touch base with everybody.

[49:28] Speaker 1: I just let, I just let my self-created animation system work.So, um-

[49:34] Speaker 2: That's amazing. I wanted to share about, you know, like, your s- when you said self-creation, animation system. Like, I was, I... It just triggered something in me and, um... So for people out there listening who maybe n- aren't quite getting it that, like, we live in a holographic matrix that is kind of r-

[49:49] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[49:49] Speaker 2: You know, generated by us-

[49:51] Speaker 1: Right.

[49:51] Speaker 2: ... th- through us, for us, in some, some benevolent and not-so (laughs) benevolent ways.

[49:56] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[49:56] Speaker 2: But that we're creating it with our mind, which is based on the past, so clearing out our DNA stops us from repeating the past thing. But can I share with when I really understood that that's what we live in? It was like, "Oh, my God, this is, this is so true."

[50:07] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna have to be quick 'cause I have to do-

[50:09] Speaker 2: Okay.

[50:09] Speaker 1: ... something at the end of the show.

[50:10] Speaker 2: Yeah. So it was in 2021, again, after that all happened and I was kind of off the deep end looking at gematria and, you know, people ... some of the truthers out there were talking about it. So ... But I had this one night where I was home alone and I was, like, wondering and I was in my head, and it kind of snapped me back into the moment. But I'd been laying in bed, I couldn't sleep 'cause things were chaotic in my life. And I hear outside, it's May 6th, there's no special occasion. I hear just, like, one firework burst, like a triple, like, doo, doo, doosh, doosh. And I was like, "That's so weird." Like, fireworks, like, at this time of ... I'm like, "What time of the night is it?" It's gotta be the middle of the night. And I get up and look at the clock and it's 1:24 AM, and 01:24 is what fireworks is in gematria. And I just started laughing. I was like, "Oh my God, we really do live in a matrix." Like ...

[50:55] Speaker 2: And that was before I found-

[50:56] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[50:56] Speaker 2: ... you and Ron, but I was just, all these awarenesses-

[50:58] Speaker 1: That's funny.

[50:58] Speaker 2: ... were happening to me, and I was like, "This ... We truly do live in a, in a matrix." And that, that was, like, the moment I knew. It was for sure, 110%.

[51:07] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so funny. That's hilarious.

[51:09] Speaker 2: Yeah. Like, what are the odd ... There's no such, there's no such thing as coincidence, so, like, why would I hear a firework out, out my window in, like, at that exact time? And-

[51:16] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[51:16] Speaker 2: ... I was just like, wow, wow.

[51:17] Speaker 1: That's crazy. Yeah.

[51:20] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[51:21] Speaker 1: Yeah. Um, I, I want to thank both of you guys for being on. I really hope that everybody listening got something fun from this. And, and, uh, Birdi, I love you.

[51:31] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[51:33] Speaker 4: Yay.

[51:34] Speaker 1: Yay. Thanks for having me.

[51:35] Speaker 4: Thank you for having me.

[51:35] Speaker 1: Thanks for being here. Rob, thank you for being here.

[51:38] Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Uh, yeah.

[51:40] Speaker 1: You're welcome. Much love.

[51:40] Speaker 2: Love you guys. Take care.

[51:42] Speaker 1: Bye.

[51:42] Speaker 2: Bye.

[51:43] Speaker 1: Bye. (instrumental music)