[00:02] Speaker 1: Welcome, everyone. It is February 15th. I can't believe it's already the middle of February. It was just January. Th- that's crazy. And 2026. And this is the Morgellons ThinkTank podcast of the week. And I am Robin, the co-host, here to welcome you. This is where you're going to find answers, information, and community that helps you get your life back from Morgellons, Lyme, and other skin parasites. The traditional medicine is at a loss of what to do, if they even believe that it's real. You know, they, they think you're crazy and they want to give you, um, antipsychotic drugs, or they, they understand it's real, but they don't know what to do. So, this is a, you know, where, where we've had to find our own answers. And there are answers, and we're here to share them with you. There are answers, there's community, there's help. So, if you're looking for any of those things, you've come to the right place. And we're so lucky to have Carrie Anne and Richard Kunes hosting this podcast.

[01:22] Speaker 1: They're both amazing experts in the world of Morgellons, and they have helped so many people get their lives back. I'm honored to be on this call with them, and at this time, I would like to introduce Carrie Anne and Richard Kunes.

[01:42] Speaker 2: Thank you, Robin. Um, you're looking great today.

[01:47] Speaker 1: Thanks.

[01:47] Speaker 2: Feeling better?

[01:48] Speaker 1: Feeling much better. Thank you.

[01:50] Speaker 2: Oh, wonderful. And, w- we need to get started. We always do the federal regulations because we want to always be in compliance. The FDA requires me to inform everybody on this call that before you start my diet, if that's the route you're going, or accept any recommendations that you hear on this call or from any of my coaches, that you thoroughly discuss those recommendations with your regular MD to make sure they will not interfere with any health problems you're presently experiencing. The AMA reminds me to tell you that none of us are medically trained or licensed to practice medicine. Therefore, because only licensed physicians, board certified, are allowed to diagnose, treat, cure, mitigate or prevent disease. So, we don't do any of that. What we are allowed to do by law is to educate you. Now, if you're utilizing my diet, we could educate you how to use the diet. Something that all of you need to do, diet or not diet, is to disinfect your environment.

[03:13] Speaker 2: So, we can educate you how to clean up your environment and get them out of your environment. Because the reality is, until you do so, you are a walking, talking, breathing parasite machine. These organisms drop from you throughout the day wherever you go. Many people actually report standing next to somebody and feel them jumping onto them. You know, (laughs) that's how they operate. So, they are contaminating your environment, they're contaminating your workspace, your living space, your living room, your bedroom, everything. You gotta get them out so that you don't keep getting reinfected. So, we're allowed to educate you how to disinfect your environment, and we're allowed to educate you how to clean your skin, and we're allowed to educate you how to build health and immune, uh, uh, immune response. And if you're on my diet and using my diet, we have very specific supplements that are compatible with the diet to build health and immune functioning.

[04:21] Speaker 2: So, today, I'm getting over a little bit of a, a cold, uh, C- Carrie Anne, uh, has a particularly interesting job. I don't know if it's a job, career, hobby, but what would you call it?

[04:41] Speaker 3: I would call it a, I got pulled into a, a lot of madness that they call Morgellons, and, uh, I came into it blindly. And, uh, I became what they call a victim, I guess, but I don't play the victim. But, um, I just ended up with Morgellons, and here I am, basically. (laughs)

[05:00] Speaker 2: Wonderful. So, uh, there, i- in- in moderating a Facebook group, there's a lot of work. And you, there are a lot of people who post a lot of things, fads.

[05:16] Speaker 3: Yes.

[05:18] Speaker 2: What, over the years, there, there are people that post fads. What, do you know some of those fads? What, what some of them have been?

[05:26] Speaker 3: Uh, we, we touched base last week on the tobacco fad, was the new one. And, uh, since I had another member try it, and these white plugs are coming all out of their faces. And, uh, it's bizarre, but it worked. So I don't know ... Um, let's see. We've had, um, of course ivermectin is a huge one. It, it's been, you know, in and out through the years. They called it horse paste and then-

[05:53] Speaker 2: Ivermectin. Mm-hmm.

[05:54] Speaker 3: Yeah, they called it horse paste, "Oh, no, don't take that." Now, "It's good for you." And, you know, on and off, that was a big fad. I mean, I, I don't even know if it went away, uh, but that was-

[06:06] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[06:06] Speaker 3: ... huge. So, like-

[06:06] Speaker 2: People are still with, people are still into that.Uh, but I just re- remembered that, uh, I wanted to first start the meeting with... because people are- may be listening to this and they're not really sure what Morgellons is and if they- if it pertains to them or not. So typically, what would a Morgellons person experience? They would experience filaments and fibers growing from their skin that are not normal. These filaments and fibers can be various lengths, various colors. Uh, they're said to be fluorescent. They could be red, white, blue, green, I guess, black. Some people actually report them moving, although there's another administrator, uh, with another Facebook group says, "If you see moving filaments, you're crazy," you know? Well, uh, you know, maybe he is.

[07:01] Speaker 2: And itching-

[07:03] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[07:03] Speaker 2: ... to the degree, itching to the degree that you feel like you're sleeping on shards of glass, biting sensations that feel like they go to the bone, lesions that pop up and never seem to heal, burning skin. So, these are all the typical symptoms that people report associated with Morgellons. But the interesting thing is, is that there are also other organisms that are relatively unknown to the general populace of the Morgellons community, very rarely talked about, such as Collembola. Collembola? I don't know wh- how do you pronounce it. Springtails, snow fleas, goes by those different names. There's 6,000 different species. About 19 of 'em reported in my book on a study have an affinity for flesh. And these also create non-healing lesions, itching to the degree that you can't sleep, y- y- you're awakened in the middle of the night and, and, uh, are, are crazy, and biting sensations that go to the core of your bone, it feels like. So, those organisms can also co-exist with Morgellons.

[08:26] Speaker 2: And then, there's skin fungus, and we noticed last week, uh, skin fungus can burn, fe- a burning sensation, redness, and also be associated with a biting that feels like it goes to the core of the bone. Uh, but the difference is, with Collembola, that biting sensation doesn't move. If it starts here, that's where it stays until it goes away. With skin fungus, it could start here, and 10 minutes later, you could feel it over here. It's, uh, it's mobile. So, just to get that out of the way. So, you understand that if you're experiencing those sensations and symptoms, you'll know what organisms can be connected to them. Now, uh, I understand, uh, uh, the more- one of the more recent fads that have come up is, uh, quercetin? Quercetin? Corsetin? Quercetin?

[09:22] Speaker 3: Quercetin.

[09:24] Speaker 2: Quercetin. Yeah

[09:25] Speaker 3: There you go. Yeah. Um, it is, and um, h- honestly, I believe it's very good for you. Uh, I really don't know about, um, any properties it may or may not have that would, uh, be, you know, beneficial to specifically Morgellons. But I mean, it's a great supplement, you know, for detoxification and things like that. Um,-

[09:52] Speaker 2: Well, I'd- I'd like to-

[09:53] Speaker 3: ... I haven't seen enough proof or enough people have said that it, it has effectively helped them, but it's relatively n- a new fad, you know, like you said.

[10:03] Speaker 2: Fads. Uh, you know, back, uh, probably around 2005 or 2006, I saw, it's not on the, uh, YouTube anymore, but a video where the guy said, "The answer to Morgellons is baking soda. All you have to do is consume baking soda," and Morgellon, it went away for him. So I looked at that and I said, "Well, that's kind of weird, but, uh, I don't know." And, but you know what I did?

[10:30] Speaker 3: Let's try it. (laughs)

[10:30] Speaker 2: I added it to my protocol. I know it's not gonna cure everybody, but I added it to the protocol because it makes sense because the idea is to alkalize the body.

[10:42] Speaker 3: That's smart.

[10:42] Speaker 2: Now, but technically, you really can't make your body more alkaline. Your pH is really tight. But what you do by consuming baking soda or eating alkaline foods is that you reduce the stress upon your body to stay at that perfect pH, and that makes sense, and is beneficial. So I added that to the, uh, to my protocol anyway, right away. It's cheap, it's easy to do, and, uh, it helps. So, and then along in 2006, I saw a fellow who said, "We don't have Morgellons.

[11:18] Speaker 2: We all have Strongyloides Cercalis."

[11:22] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[11:22] Speaker 2: And he published his diet. And he want... You know, so, there are these people that have the affinity to really, like, take over. I don't know. Th- they have some kind of magnetism about them. They make a post, it goes viral, and, and suddenly they have a much larger voice than they should have. So I also had-

[11:44] Speaker 3: Yeah, and some people I think are, some people are trying to catch on. Um, I didn't think our group would ever grow as big as it did. And I found myself o- on some days, I'm like, the members know more than me, and I've been at this for a long time. But you'll find these people are... they're educating themselves more and more now. (laughs) It's, uh, it's good though.

[12:09] Speaker 2: Well, that's how I got to where I am. I educated myself. So, (laughs) but, uh, back on Strongyloides-

[12:14] Speaker 3: It's better. Yeah, it's better that way.

[12:15] Speaker 2: (laughs) ... back on strongyloidia serocollis, he published a diet, and I also had my diet. The interesting thing was, is that soy was on his diet, it wasn't on my diet. And I realized that strongyloidia serocolitis, yes, it's a co-factor, but not Morgellons, but not Morgellons. So, there are people who get mixed up in their facts, and they go down the wrong path with, with assumptions. Now, quercetin, uh, I checked it, I checked the thing out and it's a, it's a great supplement. Uh, no reason not to take it.

[12:53] Speaker 2: But doing-

[12:54] Speaker 3: Absolutely.

[12:55] Speaker 2: ... anything, whether you take quercetin or whether you, whatever you take, or baking soda, unless you know how to disinfect your environment, unless you know how to eat, unless you know how to clean your skin, you're, and excuse my word, (bell chimes) pussy in the wind. You're not gonna get anywhere. But-

[13:13] Speaker 3: Very good point. Very good point. Yes. (laughs)

[13:16] Speaker 2: So, they, they always say, "Do this," but they forget to say, "Well, you've got to be really diligent about how you disinfect, and you got to know how to disinfect your environment." Because, for instance, enzymes, everybody uses enzymes. We have them in our store, Clean 'Em Up, uh, ours is called Clean 'Em Up Zymes. There's Clean Green, and thing- things like that. But they don't all work for Morgellons. They don't know that.

[13:40] Speaker 3: Right.

[13:40] Speaker 2: So, well, anyway, quercetin. Let me take a look here. We're gonna compare quercetin to glutathione, and we're gonna ca- compare it to SOD, which is superoxide dismutase. Uh, had to g- look up the, uh, pronunciation of that. In fact, there is-

[14:01] Speaker 3: Richard, while you're looking that up, I could give you some insight on someone, um, who does believe in quercetin, and his views on it. Uh, uh, ...

[14:15] Speaker 2: I'm gonna get-

[14:26] Speaker 3: ... for claiming.

[14:28] Speaker 2: I'm gonna get into the science, uh, because-

[14:31] Speaker 3: Okay. Go ahead, Richard.

[14:31] Speaker 2: ... I checked, I checked it all out. I, I checked it all out, and I'm not saying that he hasn't benefited from it. And in fact, it may have produced all the results that he thought, but to get stuck on one thing and say, that's the answer... Y- you see, I look at it like a tree. Now, in my apr- in my approach to it, the trunk of the tree is a diet. You know, unless you know how to eat and what to eat, you're not gonna get any... The tree is not gonna grow, you know, it's not gonna happen.

[15:06] Speaker 2: Uh, so you really gotta know-

[15:09] Speaker 3: I agree.

[15:09] Speaker 2: ... what you, what you're gonna eat. Now, there are many branches to this tree, and I'm not saying that... You know, for instance, back around 2008, part of my protocol was milk thistle. Why was it milk thistle? It's an anti-inflammatory. So that's the extent of what I knew about anti-inflam- I knew it was important, but I chose milk thistle. 2015-

[15:36] Speaker 3: You know what, Richard? Um, whether it's synthetic or natural parasite, I don't know about synthetic. I never studied synthetic parasites, but I've been recently catching up. But whether it's one or the other, it's still parasites that cause those a- the inflammation that you're treating, and everything-

[15:55] Speaker 2: Well, that's true.

[15:55] Speaker 3: ... you're going multi-dimensional. So you're-

[15:57] Speaker 2: We don't-

[15:57] Speaker 3: ... taking everything the other way.

[15:59] Speaker 2: Yeah. For my approach, I don't care if it's synthetic or if it's real, I know what to do about it. I don't care where it came from.

[16:05] Speaker 3: Exactly.

[16:05] Speaker 2: I don't care where it came from, Plum Island. I don't care if it, whether it came from warfare. I don't care if-

[16:10] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[16:10] Speaker 2: ... it's a patent. I, I don't care what it is. I know what to do about it. And that's, that's what makes the difference.

[16:16] Speaker 3: Exactly.

[16:17] Speaker 2: But let, let's look at these, uh, three things. So, quercetin, glutathione, and, uh, a- as I said, there's another protocol, well-known, I don't remember the name of this, uh, of him, but he's in my book. Uh, I reported on the protocols that were popular at the time. And he went the route of, uh, SOD, uh, which is, uh, superoxide dismutase. Now, what do each of these things do? Well, we looked at the function. Neutralization, that would be SOD. First neutralization of superoxide, that's SOD. Detoxification of metals, that's important. That is glutathione. All right? Not quercetin, not SOD. Recycling vitamins A, C and E. This is very important, because if you remember Linus Pauling, he got the Nobel Prize many, many years ago. He's passed away since then. He was a proponent of consuming massive amounts of vitamin C. He didn't know that glutathione does that. Otherwise, he never would have proposed massive doses of vitamin C.

[17:38] Speaker 2: So, the only-

[17:39] Speaker 3: I did not know that.

[17:40] Speaker 2: ... of the three, the only one that does this is glutathione. Recycles vitamin A, C and E. Anti-inflammatory. Quercetin is a strong anti-inflammatory. (bell chimes) Glutathione, a moderate anti-inflammatory. Uh, SOD, a moderate anti-inflammatorial. Microchondrial protection. Now, this is super important. The mitochondria are what keep us alive. They are like millions of little viruses, friendly viruses, in each cell of our body. If they-Burn too fast, premature death. If they're, are not protected, they die early. So we need ... So bo- all three, quercetin, glutathione, and SOD protect the mitochondrial protection. Histamine regulation, that is quercetin. Uh, hemoglobin protection, glutathione. Cell mem-, cell membrane protection, all three of them work. So when you set up a protocol, like for instance, I took out milk thistle, because glutathione does it. How much money does somebody have? You, the idea of all these limbs, we can't afford to do everything.

[19:05] Speaker 2: (bell rings) Like people will say, "How about, uh, oxygen therapy?" They have these, uh, uh, units that you go into, special... Well, where (laughs) , you know, that's expensive. Where are they? You, that, that's a limb on a tree and it may be, uh, very effective, but it's not practical for most people. So we need to look at the limbs of the tree that are most practical for most people, and to choose the ingredients that get the most done. So if someone were to put out a protocol and said, "Well, you need to take quercetin, you need glutathione, you need SOD," that gets overly expensive. So we have to choose the most effective route. (clears throat) And the one I've chosen is by boosting glutathione. Now, I would guess that if this gentleman had come upon glutathione first prior to discovering (coughs) quercetin, he'd be out there preaching glutathione is the answer. In fact, that's how I got involved with glutathione. Am I still on? I'm, I'm not hearing anything.

[20:16] Speaker 3: Yeah, you're on.

[20:17] Speaker 2: Oh, okay.

[20:18] Speaker 3: You're on. (laughs)

[20:19] Speaker 2: All, all right yeah. Uh, my, my screen kinda went blank.

[20:21] Speaker 3: I'm thinking it's all, it's all trial and error. Um, we all kind of start somewhere and we find the right thing, and then we switch and that's a little bit better. And then we might add something different and ...

[20:35] Speaker 2: Exactly.

[20:36] Speaker 3: It's great that people-

[20:36] Speaker 2: So-

[20:36] Speaker 3: ... put their minds together and go for it though, you know.

[20:40] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[20:40] Speaker 3: It's just safety's the main thing, you know.

[20:44] Speaker 2: Now, how could, how did I come to learn about glutathione? Now, back about 12 years ago, Lyme disease crippled me. I could not write my name. I couldn't drive a car with my foot, uh, on the gas pedal. I had to use a stick and modulate it with my hand. Uh, 24/7 pain, inflammation out the window. God, it was terrible. One of the people I ... My book is 15% me and 85% contributions from people that, uh, I've worked with. When people write me, I listen to them. When they send me research projects, I look into those research projects, and I put it together in this incredible book. So, uh, a lady sent me a bottle of glutathione and she said it cured her of Morgellons. It cured her of Morgellons.

[21:45] Speaker 3: That's amazing.

[21:45] Speaker 2: Well, I didn't have Morgellons.

[21:47] Speaker 3: And they're- and people say that about quercetin. You know, I don't-

[21:50] Speaker 2: But-

[21:50] Speaker 3: ... know. It hasn't happened to me and I, I can't say that they lie, you know, but I don't know. (laughs) Like ...

[21:58] Speaker 2: Well, I don't doubt that quercetin helped this one gentleman. But I'm thinking that if he-

[22:03] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[22:03] Speaker 2: ... happened upon glutathione, he'd been treating glutathione because it even does more than quercetin does.

[22:10] Speaker 3: Right.

[22:10] Speaker 2: And yeah, so-

[22:11] Speaker 3: Maybe that's something people will pick up, you know. That's maybe, you know, an alternate that's even better maybe. I don't know.

[22:19] Speaker 2: Well, she claimed that glutathione cured her. Now, I didn't go bragging and producing, you know, "The glutathione's gonna cure you," or anything like that. Uh, she was good enough to give me a, a, a sample for one month. And I, I wasn't even dealing with Morgellons, uh, at the time. I had no skin parasite issues. I only had Lyme disease. I expected nothing. So I took the glutathione capsule she sent me for a month and noticed my gl- my Lyme disease had improved (claps) 90%, which really blew my mind.

[22:56] Speaker 2: Now, I didn't go-

[22:58] Speaker 3: I believe you. (laughs)

[22:59] Speaker 2: I didn't go brag about this glutathione thing. What I did was I offered for volunteers. I got like a dozen volunteers who I paid 50% of the cost of the glutathione and they paid the other 50%. And out of all 12, all 12 reported benefits from glutathione. It didn't cure them of Morgellons, but it helped them progress much faster than they otherwise would have. So-

[23:30] Speaker 3: That's the best we have is something that helps us. We, we do not have a cure. We only have each other there.

[23:37] Speaker 2: Right. Now, the, the next thing, I doubt that this gentleman ever would've found glutathione. If he had gone to a, uh, health food store and bought the glutathione supplement, the, it's called reduced glutathione, and he would've taken it, I doubt that he would've gotten any benefit from it. Mainly because glutathione is a very large tripeptide molecule consisting of three amino acids. And when you consume it in its r- regular form, it gets broken down by the stomach, and only about 10 to maybe 20% of it actually gets into the cellular mechanism.

[24:18] Speaker 2: So buying it that way doesn't work very well.Fortunately for me-

[24:23] Speaker 3: Is that the same thing as like eating a, a, like you, you absorb it through foods better? It-

[24:29] Speaker 2: Well-

[24:30] Speaker 3: Would that be the case with that?

[24:32] Speaker 2: If you ate, uh, maybe, uh, 15 pounds of red meat every day, and, uh, uh, a, a bushel of, uh, uh, red, uh, peppers every day, you might get enough glutathione. (laughs) But, uh, so it's like-

[24:46] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[24:46] Speaker 2: ... Vitamin C. To, to get enough vitamin C, you gotta eat, uh, you know, 60 oranges a day or something like that. But, um-

[24:53] Speaker 3: Oh, okay.

[24:54] Speaker 2: ... fort- fortunate- fortunately for me, the, uh, uh, glutathione that I was introduced to was a very specialized, uh, patented product called MAX-1. And MAX-1 is not glutathione. It's a combination, uh, a patented pr- a process where they combine, uh, L... what, what is it? L-lysine? No, I forget which it is. Uh, D-ribose, which is a natural sugar, and L-cysteine, which is the protein. They k- they bond them together. It goes past the stomach, it gets in the cellular mechanism, gets into the cell itself. Now, here's ver- here's what this does that takes, that takes this whole thing 10 leaps further. D-ribose happens to be the natural sugar for the mitochondria. So, we support mitochondria, health of mitochondria, which is super important, and the L-cysteine is a limiting molecule of the tripeptide, glutathione, that's created inside the cell to protect the DNA, to detoxify, and all the other miraculous things it does.

[26:09] Speaker 2: Now, this formulation boosts glutathione levels in the body by 300... 270% compared to what you would buy in a health food store. So, it isn't-

[26:25] Speaker 3: R- Richard, um, correct me if I'm wrong, okay? I went somewhere with what you just said. Um, it's biofilm are chains of polysaccharides, right? So-

[26:38] Speaker 2: What, what is that?

[26:39] Speaker 3: Would that not play into the biofilm aspect of Morgellons?

[26:46] Speaker 2: Uh, I'm not sure if it would, but all I know is it takes away the toxicity in the cell. It, uh, strengthens immune response. It ca- improves the ability for oxygen to c- carry hemoglobin. Now, if you go back in history, you'll find that... I forget the name of a, of a lady. Uh, Hilgard. Who am I talking about? Hilgard Stanger? Remember her?

[27:12] Speaker 3: Uh, not very well. Not enough to speak of, yeah. (laughs)

[27:16] Speaker 2: Well, Hil- Hil- Hilgard Stanger, she was into zapping, but her contribution was a realization that Morgellons modifies the DNA. Morgellons modifies our DNA.

[27:28] Speaker 3: I believe her.

[27:30] Speaker 2: Now-

[27:30] Speaker 3: I believe that.

[27:32] Speaker 2: So, the glutathione is the major protector of the DNA.

[27:39] Speaker 3: Oh, okay. Yeah. I can see why that's very relevant. (laughs) Very, very relevant.

[27:45] Speaker 2: So, it interrupts the abil- it interrupts the ability of Morgellons to do what it normally does, have fun with you. All right?

[27:55] Speaker 3: So, do you think it could break down those sugar chains there?

[28:00] Speaker 2: Uh, I'm, I'm not getting the question.

[28:04] Speaker 3: The, the polysaccharide chains, do you think that it could break those down?

[28:10] Speaker 2: No. Uh, it, it doesn't do anything about that. And I'm not sure what benefit-

[28:15] Speaker 3: Okay.

[28:15] Speaker 2: ... would be derived from doing that. Uh, but, uh, so if, if you're looking at setting up a protocol that's going to do the most for the least cost, you go the route of, uh, glutathione. Now, the cost is-

[28:30] Speaker 3: Okay.

[28:30] Speaker 2: ... substantial. So, if you go to a health food store and buy a bottle of reduced glutathione, I'm guessing you're buying it kind of, pay $20, $25. This, this, uh, glutathione, uh, is like, uh, $85 for a bottle. But to, to get the equivalent that you would have to go to a health food store, you would have to buy about $130 worth of, uh, the reduced glutathione and take like 15 capsules a day to get what you would get with two capsules of, of this product. So, that... So, I'm, I'm basically saying I understand this Quercetin thing, and I'm not... I would say that he definitely got benefit from it, and I'm thinking that if he found glutathione, he would've gotten even faster benefit.

[29:20] Speaker 2: But, of course, it's pretty obvious that he also-

[29:23] Speaker 3: I would like to know the answer to that. I, I really would. Uh, I'm open-minded, so I'm, I'm here to learn as, as, you know, much is huge, I guess. But, yeah. Um, that'd be-

[29:36] Speaker 2: You-

[29:36] Speaker 3: ... a good ques- question to answer. (laughs)

[29:39] Speaker 2: What? What is the question?

[29:42] Speaker 3: If you would have found one before the other-

[29:44] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.

[29:44] Speaker 3: ... I would like to know. I mean-

[29:46] Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we, we-

[29:46] Speaker 3: ... there should be a way to find out.

[29:48] Speaker 2: I mean, uh, obviously the other guy, uh, I forget who it is that created this other protocol that's well-known, he found SOD first. The SOD, peroxide dismutase. He found that first, and it helped him, so he went that route. I'm just fortunate that I found glutathione that, uh, that really basically was really instrumental in me knocking out Lyme disease. And that's the other thing.

[30:11] Speaker 3: Yeah, it-

[30:11] Speaker 2: It worked-

[30:12] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[30:12] Speaker 2: ... for you. Yeah. That's great.

[30:14] Speaker 3: If you look at all the, if you look at all the experts that deal with Lyme disease away from the antibiotics, you know, the herbs, and there's Dr. Klinghardt, and, uh, um... I don't remember all of... None of them, none of them-

[30:31] Speaker 2: Talk about boosting glutathione, none of them. I don't know why. It would be the first thing I looked for.

[30:40] Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that about some things too. I wonder, like, even things I've heard in the past that worked for a lot of us very well, people stop talking about. Then it'll come up again, and the fads, like you talk about. (laughs) They come and go.

[30:58] Speaker 2: Yeah. So, well, that's the, that's the thing on quercetin, right? It definitely is a good supplement, but I would think it would be, uh, pale, uh, pale compared to boosting glutathione effectively. In our store, we have the Max-1, and we also have, uh, patches. You know, uh, there was a period of time where we couldn't get Max-1. Stupid company ran out of stock for, like, six months. Fortunately, I have a friend who is also into health. Uh, he specializes in helping people with diabetes and things like that, and, uh, they have patches that he introduced me to. And you simply put a patch on your breastbone or if your, uh, your hand is aching, you put it on there or a joint, and it gives you a boost of 500% glutathione. So, we found benefit by, uh, both, but my preference would be the one, the Max-1, because it ha- also has a D-ribose that benefits the mit- mitochondria and goes into the cell itself, uh, which would make, be my choice.

[32:07] Speaker 3: Richard, I think the best thing we drew from today's discussion on quercetin is that, um, uh, this guy, I mean, his name's John, I spoke with him earlier, he doesn't mind me saying his name because we agree to disagree. But, you know, he, um, he, he, uh, he, uh, tries to make people understand that he said that he's, uh, talking about synthetic parasites, but, um, in addition, if you... Even if it's synthetic, you know, it, it's gonna draw real, like, natural parasites, uh, whatever that means, um.

[32:39] Speaker 2: Well, I, I can't imagine Morgellons being anything but a synthetic parasite.

[32:46] Speaker 3: Right, because it's starting to seem like it self-assembles, self-replicates, you know, all that stuff, so.

[32:52] Speaker 2: I mean, uh, it's comprised, uh, the, the filaments are comprised of keratin and collagen, but, uh-

[32:58] Speaker 3: Right.

[32:59] Speaker 2: ... that, that is some kind of synthesis, uh, that does that. It's a, it's a synthetic thing. It's like silkworm. You know, uh, the silkworm produces silkworm, and that's a synthetic.

[33:11] Speaker 3: Well, we are what we eat, so, like, they are eating, uh, seemingly, our hair and skin, so, I mean, I don't know. I just, I've heard so many bizarre theories that sound like sci-fi.

[33:23] Speaker 2: Uh, again, to me, the theories make no difference. I could care less, you know? Uh, the-

[33:29] Speaker 3: Good for you, yeah.

[33:30] Speaker 2: ... the p- yeah.

[33:31] Speaker 3: You won't go crazy. (laughs)

[33:34] Speaker 2: Uh, another topic I thought we would discuss is, uh, spousal support.

[33:42] Speaker 3: That is so important. I don't have that, but I have members who do. It's priceless. (laughs) Yeah.

[33:49] Speaker 2: I know. And it, it's really sad because, uh, you, you have, uh, unless you have spousal support or family support, it's like you're starting out at minus 50, and if you have the spousal support-

[34:05] Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.

[34:05] Speaker 2: ... you're starting out at plus 50. Uh, it, it's ama- it, it's so sad.

[34:11] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[34:12] Speaker 2: And a- again, this is education. Uh, the spouse, uh, unfortunately, I, I think 99% of the time, it's the woman who's, who, who doesn't have the spousal support, um, very-

[34:29] Speaker 3: Right.

[34:29] Speaker 2: Not very often. I've never really heard a guy say, "Well, my wife thinks I'm crazy," you know? (laughs) I never heard that most times.

[34:36] Speaker 3: (laughs) I don't hear it very often either. (laughs)

[34:39] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[34:39] Speaker 3: But you know what? It, the ones who don't have spousal sup- spousal support, I have noticed that, uh, they're the ones who, uh, stay in the group a lot and, uh, they become close with each other and make friends and... So, they have each other, so that's-

[34:58] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[34:58] Speaker 3: ... uh, you know, a good thing.

[35:01] Speaker 2: I, I had, uh, thought starting a group would be good, but I haven't been able to get that group started, uh, because, uh-

[35:09] Speaker 3: Go for it. The more, we need more. We need them everywhere. (laughs)

[35:13] Speaker 2: Well, perhaps, perhaps, uh, I mean, I, I'm sure you, you, you probably have more people in your group, uh, that, uh, would, uh, qualify for it, and maybe somehow we could get a group in time together. Uh, it, we don't want a pity party because it, I mean, Morgellons itself, in, in my years of looking at documentaries about Morgellons, uh, even the more recent movie, Skin Deep, they are not... They're terrible. There's no hope.

[35:50] Speaker 3: Yes.

[35:52] Speaker 2: Uh, even when you listen to Hans.

[35:54] Speaker 3: Yeah, we need new research and we need more hope. And, uh, we don't want the gloom and doom and somebody come save us, and money like that should be put into research to actively help people, you know?

[36:08] Speaker 2: What kind of research do you think we would need?

[36:13] Speaker 3: I think some of the research that we're getting is, um, good, but it's, it's the same reportings, it's the same findings, um. I haven't heard anything really significantly new since, uh, maybe 2012.

[36:29] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[36:29] Speaker 3: Um, I mean, oh, wait a minute, you have your revised book. Nevermind. (laughs)

[36:35] Speaker 2: (laughs) Well, my, my book isn't called-

[36:37] Speaker 3: You do your revisions, Richard. Uh, that's updated. (laughs)

[36:40] Speaker 2: But that's not research. That's, that's just reporting on what little research there is. (laughs) And it's not a lo- it's not a lot.

[36:47] Speaker 3: Hey, every little bit counts. But, um, I would like to see, uh, some funds going into some, um, universities. Uh, we have a big, uh, research triangle here in North Carolina. I think somewhere like that would be the job. I mean...

[37:05] Speaker 2: You know, back, back in 2000... I think the first research we need is to replicate a study that was done by the National Pedulosis Society around 2002. Um, they took 20 people who were diagnosed as having delusions of parasites and they-

[37:29] Speaker 3: Oh.

[37:29] Speaker 2: ... did microscopy on the lesions, on, uh, that they found. And this is before the word Morgellons was even... This is even before what they, they knew that Morgellons was connected with filaments and fibers. You know, this, this was ancient history.

[37:49] Speaker 3: (laughs) Wow.

[37:50] Speaker 2: But out of 20 people diagnosed with delusions of parasitosis, they found 18 were infested with Collembola.

[38:04] Speaker 3: I believe you. I've seen it in-

[38:05] Speaker 2: Now, what about the other two? Who were... You-

[38:08] Speaker 3: ... a microscope.

[38:09] Speaker 2: The other two probably had Morgellons. In fact, probably all, probably all 20 had Morgellons as well. Who knows? But-

[38:16] Speaker 3: Oh, I guarantee it's 100%. I bet, yes.

[38:19] Speaker 2: That's, that's a study we need s-... We need 1,000 participants of people who are diagnosed-

[38:26] Speaker 3: Yes.

[38:27] Speaker 2: ... with delusions of parasitosis to go under the microscope with somebody who knows what they're looking for, because even in the report, they reported that they needed expert people with microscopy experience, because the, uh, finding Collembola, even under the microscope with experienced microscopy people, they found it difficult to find them, but they were there. So-

[38:55] Speaker 3: They don't look at it every day like we do.

[38:58] Speaker 2: Well-

[38:58] Speaker 3: That's the problem.

[38:59] Speaker 2: Well, you and I don't really see them on our skin, but they're there. Uh, I have one person with 20/10 vision, and she could see them, but even with 20/20 vision, it's hard to see Collembola on your skin. Uh-

[39:12] Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, with a microscope.

[39:14] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[39:14] Speaker 3: I used to see them on a daily, uh, in my own lesions in a microscope.

[39:20] Speaker 2: My first experience was I li-... I was lying in bed and I woke up one morning, and I don't know why, but I looked at my forefinger, and I wi-... I looked at my forefinger, there's a little thing standing up vertical. Little thing standing up vertical, and it was moving. (laughs) And then, "What the hell is that?" That's... I didn't even know what Collembola was at that point. That was like 2000 or 1999. I don't know.

[39:45] Speaker 2: (laughs) So, uh, but g-

[39:47] Speaker 3: And what, you mean it looked like a fiber? Did it look like a fiber?

[39:52] Speaker 2: No, it was about, uh, the length of a long dust particle. It was Collembola. It was, uh, it... You know, when I think back, it was the exact definition. Collembola is a rod-shaped organism, about 300 microns in length, and in the middle, it has a spring. That's why they call them springtails. It can bend. And what happens is that they spring. They can spring up from the floor about maybe 12 or 18 inches. And, uh, in fact, in one of my blog posts, it's rather, uh, detailed. They, they not only spring, uh, they, th- they have direction to the... They can actually go where they want to. They just don't spring indiscriminately. They can actually spring to where they want to go.

[40:36] Speaker 2: They, uh, they're, they're of, they're an-

[40:38] Speaker 3: Wow.

[40:38] Speaker 2: ... amazing organism. And, and they're different, you know, but they're, they all are about 300 microns in length, they're rod-shaped and th- they bend in the middle, and that's what the guy was doing. He was, uh, he was waving at me, and then he sprung away, I guess.

[40:52] Speaker 3: All these accounts of things flying out of people's lesions, I believe them. I've seen video evidence. I'm wondering if some of that is what you're describing.

[41:05] Speaker 2: Well, that's myiasis, and I experience that as well. Uh, people breed, breed different organisms under their skin. Uh, people breed, uh, mites. Uh, one time I took my coat off in wintertime, and there was a mite that just flew right out, you know. Where did it come from? I mean, uh, you know, like, uh, was I on the way to, uh, the prom or something and the mite was joined? I don't know, but the mite was there. It just came right out.

[41:33] Speaker 2: Uh, so-

[41:34] Speaker 3: We give birth to them however we do. It's, it's strange. Things just happen. (laughs)

[41:40] Speaker 2: Well, there, there's a-

[41:41] Speaker 3: It sounds crazy, but it's true.

[41:44] Speaker 2: ... a term called myiasis in which you can have midges breeding under your skin and they erupt. I saw a video, uh, I think it was posted in, uh, uh, in India where this child swallowed a fly, and then, uh, some period of time later, uh, coming from the skin were all the, uh, larva from that fly that, that he swallowed. So, I mean, this is not... Uh, there, there are plenty of reports of this kind of thing happening. And of course, when you involve Morgellons in it, then these organisms don't come out as they normally would look, but they come out as modified. Uh, like last week, I mentioned a lady who showed me a picture of a 16-legged spider coming out of her skin.

[42:32] Speaker 2: I would have published it, but it-

[42:34] Speaker 3: Oh, I believe it.

[42:35] Speaker 2: ... it, it wasn't really a, a good picture. It was... You, you, if you really had to focus on it to see all those legs, so it wasn't really in focus, so I didn't really publish it.But all kinds of things -

[42:45] Speaker 3: Richard, doctors are going to tell you that even with, um, myiasis, I mean, they're going to tell you that there's so many gnats and flies and all this. And, you know, only the botfly or certain flies can cause myiasis, but, no, I believe that most can. I mean, they go after necrotic tissue a lot and they can lay eggs right there. The wound closes. There you have eggs-

[43:12] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[43:13] Speaker 3: ...that can't complete a life cycle. They're trapped.

[43:16] Speaker 2: Exactly. Uh, the sand flea, that's a, a, a co-factor involved with-

[43:21] Speaker 3: Oh.

[43:21] Speaker 2: ...with oftentimes with Morgellons. All these are co-factors. Like last week, I talked about the chess board, and all these things are different co-factors. So, to go about and say that-

[43:31] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[43:31] Speaker 2: So, if I were to go about and say, "Quercetin is going to cure your Morgellons," shoot me in the head. I can't be that stupid, can I? To think that it could possibly deal with all these co-factors, Lyme disease, sand fleas, and all this... No. I think I don't work for everybody. But yeah, it can be very important.

[43:49] Speaker 3: You, you have to come from a lot of different directions when you combat this. I mean, you, you can't just focus on one thing.

[43:57] Speaker 2: No, you can't.

[43:58] Speaker 3: You have to treat everything.

[44:00] Speaker 2: For ins- there's a guy down in Mexico-

[44:02] Speaker 3: I do agree with that 100%.

[44:04] Speaker 2: There, there's a guy down in Mexico. I'm not going to mention his name 'cause I don't even remember it, but you may know of him. He was in... He's the magnet guy many years ago. He said the magnets are going to cure you. And now, he's saying... He has, he has a facility there where you can-

[44:17] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[44:17] Speaker 2: ...where you can go and get well. And he, his claim is that it's all about myiasis. Myiasis and, and he... That's where he's pigeonholed. Morgellons is about myiasis. Now, everybody gets a pigeonhole-

[44:30] Speaker 3: One guy's claim is you had to come to a hotel room, and I, I knew some women were, and that didn't settle right with me, but I really wouldn't trust any of these gimmicky-type things in the community. Wow.

[44:44] Speaker 2: Well, I've had-

[44:46] Speaker 3: That's gimmicky.

[44:47] Speaker 2: ...I've had people share that they, you know... One, one fellow joined my program, and he wasn't sure he really wanted to do the diet. Everybody's looking for a quick way out. I mean, this diet is really difficult, but you don't have to travel a thousand miles and pay $500, a visit to a doctor to, to pump you full of antibiotics. You go down, you go down to the grocery store and get what you need. You do everything in your home, and you put in the effort, damn it, and it's worth it. But this fellow didn't want to do it.

[45:17] Speaker 2: He went off-

[45:17] Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're gonna put... You're gonna get back what you put in with your diet. That's what people need to understand. It's an investment.

[45:25] Speaker 2: But people don't want to do that, so they want the quick way out. He spent $10,000 and it almost killed him. The protocol the guy put him on almost killed him.

[45:36] Speaker 3: There are so many stories like that. Yeah.

[45:44] Speaker 2: So...

[45:44] Speaker 3: It's sad.

[45:44] Speaker 2: Well, (bell dings) that's Morgellons, isn't it? And we have-

[45:49] Speaker 3: It's, uh, like Joni Mitchell said, uh, the folk singer. She said it's like something from outer space, (bell dings) and, uh, she wasn't joking. I mean, and that's before they started talking about the, uh, reset and all that stuff. Even before then, it sounds like outer space, sci-fi.

[46:08] Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, it's definitely sci-fi, but I think we created it right here on Earth with our own, uh, technology going crazy. But again, like I said, I don't care where-

[46:18] Speaker 3: I believe you're right.

[46:19] Speaker 2: I don't care where it came from. I don't care if it came from outer space. I don't care if it came from Plum Island. I don't care if it came from, uh, um, military research. I don't care. We know what you're doing about it-

[46:31] Speaker 3: We have the same weapons to fight it either way, right?

[46:35] Speaker 2: Food. Food. What you eat. You are what you eat.

[46:39] Speaker 3: Exactly.

[46:40] Speaker 2: Uh, you, you're familiar with vibrations? You, you're familiar with, uh, uh, Dr. Rife from the '30s? Rife-ing?

[46:51] Speaker 3: Yes, I am.

[46:53] Speaker 2: Now, that was a sad turn of events. Dr. Rife (bell dings) was really onto something, and he had a disagreement with the head of the AMA, and that was about the same time penicillin was invented, and the, and the head of the AMA decided to go the route of penicillin, uh, which basically wiped out Dr. Rife's, uh, work or any progress that could be made medically. But it's all about vibrations. And Dr. Rife's whole theory is that there are vibrations-

[47:32] Speaker 1: It's actually, it's actually Nikola Tesla who, who created rife-ing. Nikola-

[47:37] Speaker 2: It may be.

[47:37] Speaker 1: Nikola Tesla. Yeah.

[47:39] Speaker 2: But, but nevertheless, Dr. Rife, uh, di- uh, was working on the, uh, the rife-ing and was working with the AMA. And, uh, the theory behind it is very valuable in that it's the frequencies that, uh, resonate with the viruses or the fungus or the bacteria or whatever that caused them to disintegrate. And in, in a way, it seems that that's what the foods do. There are certain foods, and you don't guess what they are. They just are. Like, for instance, carrots are going to feed the organisms. Asparagus is going to feed the organisms. Foods that you would think are good and normal for you. Foods that we would think would feed them also, like sugars and flours, uh, wheats and things like that. But it's knowing which foods have the vibrations to kind of put them to sleep and, and, uh, uh, dispose of them. That's the important part.... I see we have about nine minutes left on our, on our podcast today. What, uh, what do we want to do to wrap it up?Hello?

[48:59] Speaker 3: I, is she here?

[49:02] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm here. Can you hear me?

[49:05] Speaker 3: Yeah, I can hear you. Um, I, I don't know. Does she have questions she wanted to take or-

[49:10] Speaker 2: No, a- actually, uh, this segment-

[49:12] Speaker 3: Okay.

[49:12] Speaker 2: ... we weren't, we weren't, uh, entertaining any questions or comments. Uh, you know, she just noted that Nikolai Tesla, and that's another sad story, that was mar- the most brilliant man probably aside from, uh, Einstein that, that ever f- walked the face of the Earth. And, uh, politics, uh, at every event and greed, corporate greed, uh, destroyed, uh, everything he had, uh, going. That's, that's so im- and i- it's so much like, um-

[49:39] Speaker 3: It's killing us now, corporate greed. I mean, it's killing us today.

[49:44] Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It's, it's ruining our economy. It's doing everything. I mean, uh, so i- i- it's unfortunate, but what, we can't do much about that except at the polling booth. Vote them out. That's all we can do. Uh, so what shall we do? We've got about-

[49:59] Speaker 3: That's right, and, uh, we have a community to get each other better, and we're going to move forward and do that. Maybe one day we'll figure out the difference between synthetic parasites and natural ones, because-

[50:10] Speaker 2: Mm.

[50:10] Speaker 3: ... I'm a s- I'm a natural girl, but I'm ready to learn. I don't know.

[50:15] Speaker 2: Well, I would say natural para-

[50:16] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[50:17] Speaker 2: I, I would say natural parasites are like, uh, nematodes we talked about last week, the pinworms, roundworms, flatworms.

[50:24] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[50:24] Speaker 2: Uh, strongyloides. They're, they're the, uh, the natural ones that, uh, have, uh, been around for centuries and d- hundreds of years. Uh, the Morgellons is definitely synthetic. Uh, you know, it's just like a silkworm spins silk, you know, our bodies now spin, uh, filaments and fibers comprised of keratin and collagen. It still comes out of the body. I mean, the silk comes out of the, uh, out of the body of the silkworm, and then the, uh, and this comes out of our bodies.

[50:53] Speaker 2: So, you know, it's, and-

[50:55] Speaker 3: Yeah, we're becoming a, uh, plethora of things that's not just humans anymore. (laughs) It's something weird. I don't know. I don't know.

[51:04] Speaker 2: Well, there's everything weird because we have to look at, at everything that goes into this. It's like, people talk about Morgellons, but very people, very few people talk about the effect of e- of, of electromagnetic force, EMFs. Very few people talk about 5G affecting Morgellons people, or 4G.

[51:27] Speaker 3: It does.

[51:28] Speaker 2: Uh, th-

[51:28] Speaker 3: It affects me, Richard, and we'll look at on that another day, but it really does. Um, very recently, uh, a few weeks ago actually, it started.

[51:39] Speaker 2: The bottom line is that human beings have become experimental research for the billionaires.

[51:49] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[51:49] Speaker 2: We've become an experiment for Monsanto and their damn friggin' glyphosate that, uh, they, uh, already proven to contribute to Hodgkin's disease and, and, uh, other lymphomas. Uh, and, and, and-

[52:05] Speaker 3: Right.

[52:05] Speaker 2: ... their g- genetically modified seeds, uh, that, you know, what, what the hell are they good for us? They got toxins, poisons. If it poisons a worm, it's gonna poison us. It gets accumulated in our cells.

[52:17] Speaker 3: It's in our DNA is what they're doing.

[52:20] Speaker 2: Uh-

[52:21] Speaker 3: Little bit by little bit, uh, it seems.

[52:23] Speaker 2: The incidence of diabetes, the incidence of, uh, uh, the... All these diseases that have spiraled, uh, you know, ex- exponentially, uh, in the last, uh, 20-

[52:38] Speaker 3: Right.

[52:38] Speaker 2: ... 30 years. Uh, the glyphosate is a natural antibiotic. It, uh, and, and, uh, it gradually kills off our good bacterium that we have in our gut when, when we consume it. And, and when you screw up the gut, you're screwed up. (laughs)

[52:55] Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh, yeah, that's where you start having many other problems to follow.

[53:03] Speaker 2: So... Well, the on- the only good thing is we know what to do about it. Uh, we, you know, there, there's, uh, some people, uh, you know, um, sometimes I tease about this. If you, uh, depending on how, uh, EMF sensitive you are, they have fabric that you can go on, uh, eBay and buy, this is a piece of it here that I put over my, uh, router, uh, to minimize the exposure locally, but there may be a time where we're gonna have to, to dress, uh, buy fabric, our, our clothing in fabric like that to, to shield us from this, uh, uh, EMF that we're constantly exposed to.

[53:48] Speaker 3: Actually, was jo- I wasn't really joking, but I made a joke about it, but I was kind of serious, but I was talking about joining the, uh, tinsel hat club. Uh, there's a lady making cute hats and I was like... (laughs)

[54:02] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[54:02] Speaker 3: I'm gonna join that club one day. (laughs)

[54:06] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[54:07] Speaker 3: But I'm not kidding.

[54:08] Speaker 2: We're... There... Uh, I know of, uh, at least two, I'm, I'm hoping there's more since then, this is as of about four years ago, Easton, Connecticut, I think, is a town where they banned 5G, and there's another place in Hawaii where they banned 5G, but, you know, we have so many-

[54:25] Speaker 3: For sure.

[54:26] Speaker 2: ... we have so many, many other stresses in our world, the politics of today, and the one lie after the next lie that we, uh, th- this crap just slips by our attention. It, it just, it just gets by.

[54:39] Speaker 3: It does.

[54:39] Speaker 2: We're being bombarded-

[54:40] Speaker 3: EP files is all anybody cares about. (laughs)

[54:44] Speaker 2: Yeah. So, anyway.

[54:46] Speaker 3: But they're killing us every day. (laughs)

[54:50] Speaker 2: They, they are. Uh, we are, uh, human guinea pigs, uh, for big corporate America.And they unfortunately are-

[54:58] Speaker 3: The elite.

[54:58] Speaker 2: ... are dictating our politics. It's not government by the people, for the people. It's government by the corporation, for the corporation is what it is right now. And the, the rich-

[55:08] Speaker 3: That's right. It has been for a long time actually, but yeah.

[55:13] Speaker 2: More so now and-

[55:13] Speaker 3: Now more than ever.

[55:14] Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, anyway, uh, we got two minutes to, to wrap it up. Uh, Sharon, do you have anything-

[55:23] Speaker 3: Well, Richard, I'm glad you had me. Um, these are great discussions. I really appreciate it.

[55:30] Speaker 4: Um, sure. Yeah, that was a great session as always. I did want to just add something though, um, in regards to the spouse. I have actually been a collector of spouses. I've had about five of them. So, don't worry if they don't believe in you. Don't try to force them to believe 'cause sometimes they can just be carriers. They can be giving it to you and they don't realize that they have it. So focus more on your healing than trying to do convincing of your spouse. I just thought that needed to be said.

[56:08] Speaker 4: And thanks-

[56:08] Speaker 2: Great, thank you.

[56:08] Speaker 4: ... that was a wonderful-

[56:09] Speaker 3: Very well said. Very well said, Robin.

[56:12] Speaker 2: Very good. Robin, do you have anything you'd like to add just before we wrap it up? Is Robin still with us?

[56:21] Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes. Sorry, I muted. (laughs)

[56:24] Speaker 3: She said I'm gonna have room for thought.

[56:26] Speaker 2: Oh.

[56:26] Speaker 1: I just didn't want... No, no. Yeah, um, I just wanted to say, you know, that I take Quercetin with Bromelain. Um, I think, you know, giving... Do different things and it's like a puzzle. You find the right pu- puzzle pieces for you in your journey and your healing. It, it... But I don't think it's ever just one piece or very rarely.

[56:51] Speaker 2: No you, you would never, you would never go out and say, "Quercetin is going to cure you of Morgellons. That's what you should do."

[56:57] Speaker 1: No, um-

[56:57] Speaker 2: But it could be, it could be part of the puzzle, right?

[57:01] Speaker 1: Right. Exactly. Exactly.

[57:03] Speaker 2: It's, it's finding-

[57:03] Speaker 3: We don't rule much out within reason. (laughs)

[57:07] Speaker 2: It's, it's, it's finding out, it's finding out which limbs on that tree are going to do, get the job done.

[57:14] Speaker 1: Right. And everyone is a little bit different. So...

[57:15] Speaker 3: Amen, Richard.

[57:16] Speaker 1: Or maybe a lot different. (laughs)

[57:24] Speaker 3: Get on that king diet. You'll be okay. (laughs)

[57:27] Speaker 2: H- Have you started yet, Karen?

[57:28] Speaker 3: I need to get on it.

[57:30] Speaker 2: Have you started?

[57:32] Speaker 3: No. I told you I was gonna gain a little bit and then I was gonna go gr- more aggressive.

[57:37] Speaker 2: Okay.

[57:38] Speaker 3: I just need to gain a little bit more weight first.

[57:41] Speaker 2: And remember, we have, we have a couple of great coaches. Uh, Carol Ann, she, she was very, uh, low in weight as well. Anyway, we're down to about 20 seconds.

[57:49] Speaker 3: Don't forget about that chicken skin.

[57:51] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[57:51] Speaker 3: That's my favorite part.

[57:53] Speaker 2: I love chicken skin too.

[57:55] Speaker 1: Are you on this diet? ...meat.

[57:55] Speaker 3: I do too. I love it.

[57:57] Speaker 1: Me too.

[57:58] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[57:58] Speaker 1: Yeah, crispy chicken skin. Yum.

[58:01] Speaker 2: Okay. Well, thank you so much, Kerry, and, uh, Robin and Sharon.

[58:07] Speaker 3: Thank you, guys. It's always great.

[58:08] Speaker 2: Love you all. Okay, we'll see you next week.

[58:11] Speaker 1: Thanks. Love, guys.

[58:11] Speaker 3: See you all and have a great day.

[58:12] Speaker 1: Have a great day, everybody.