[00:02] Speaker 1: Welcome, everyone. It is April 19th, 2026. I am Robin, the co-host, and this is the BBS Parasite Skin Wars podcast of the week. So, welcome. If you are struggling with, um, lesions, and bites, and itching, and, from invisible things that you can't see, or can't see well, uh, you've come to the right place. We have tried and true solutions, and they are based on Richard Kuhn's research and his book, How to Get Your Life Back from Morgellons and Other Skin Parasites, the amazing eating plan that he discovered over two to three years that seems to put parasites to sleep in your body, and, uh, wonderful free coaches we have that help people get their lives back.

[01:04] Speaker 2: (coughs)

[01:04] Speaker 1: So, welcome, everyone, and I'd like to welcome Richard Kuhn, author of How to Get Your Life Back from Morgellons and Other Skin Parasites, world-leading expert, and take it away, Richard.

[01:19] Speaker 2: (inhales deeply) Thank you, Robin. Good afternoon, everybody. Um, I am the author of How to Get Your Life Back from Morgellons, Chronic Lyme, and Other Skin Parasites, available on Amazon and also through our store. And for all those of you who have signed up through the registration form on morgellonsolutions.com, you get the, uh, e-book for free. Now, tell them about this book. I mean, people may think that I'm moving like this, you know? Uh, uh, tell them about, w- what, what do they find in this book?

[02:12] Speaker 2: What-

[02:14] Speaker 1: You, you're sounding a little fuzzy today, Richard. I'm sorry to interrupt, but, um, you're sounding a little muffly.

[02:22] Speaker 2: Oh, okay. Let me make some adjustments here, if I can. So, tell them all, tell them all what is important about this book.

[02:32] Speaker 1: It's an encyclopedia of everything you can do to get your life back. It's a lifesaving tool that saved me from burning my house down.

[02:46] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[02:46] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[02:47] Speaker 2: Ha-ha-ha, ha. Ha-ha-ha. Have you looked at the other books available on Amazon? Now, what about comparing? What, what do you find different about my book, compared to other books?

[02:56] Speaker 1: Well, your book is based on your personal experience and the experience of others and of things that actually work. Instead of just head knowledge, it's experiential knowledge. And, and, and also, in your book, you do such deep research into all kinds of, um, cures, or, or things that help. Not cures, but things that help. And most other books focus on one thing that they think is the begin, end-all of everything, and it's not. It's a complicated disease with, uh, complicated symptoms, and it's different for, everyone's a little bit different because of their own physiology. So, your book takes a lot of that into consideration, and yours is the only book that found a diet that makes a difference.

[03:56] Speaker 2: Thank you. And I might add, those books are focused on Morgellons. And yes, but they leave out the important items, such as, well, what the heck does, uh, Lyme disease have to do with Morgellons? What, what the heck does, uh, lice have to do with Morgellons? What, what does filumiboa, colomboa, spintails have to do with Morgellons? Strongyloides auriculatis, fungal issues, what do they have to do with Mo- Morgellons?

[04:34] Speaker 2: What-

[04:34] Speaker 1: Richard, try not leaning into the computer. Lean back a little bit and speak.

[04:39] Speaker 2: What, what do worms have to do with Morgellons? What, uh, y- uh, what do helminths, uh, you know, nematodes, uh, what are all, all these things have to do with Morgellons? So, this is the only book that brings them all together and explains the different cofactors, and again, as you mentioned, it is the only book that has a diet that worked. In fact, without this diet, it's unlikely that anything will work. Even if you beat all those cofactors, you still, most likely, won't get very far without the diet. And- If you go to Amazon and look at all the books, the only one with over 260 four and five star reviews is this one.

[05:44] Speaker 2: Mine

[05:44] Speaker 3: Richard, Richard. Excuse me. You are so distorted I'm gonna have to hang up if you don't figure out something with volume or distance from the mic, because every word you're saying is, is totally distorted, and I know I'm not the only one. I just wanted to let you know. Thank you.

[05:59] Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm thinking, Richard, you might wanna try lowering your volume.

[06:04] Speaker 2: Well, I do... I'm doing exactly what I did last week, and I'm not using the Yeti mic, which was a disaster.

[06:13] Speaker 1: Yes, is the Yeti mic turned off?

[06:15] Speaker 2: Well, how is that? Does that make any difference?

[06:18] Speaker 1: Let me... I don't know, say something.

[06:20] Speaker 2: I don't know. Does this make any difference?

[06:23] Speaker 1: Not at all.

[06:23] Speaker 2: It doesn't make any difference.

[06:25] Speaker 1: I think it's too loud.

[06:25] Speaker 2: Maybe I should log out and log back in and you continue. Why don't you go through the FDA regulations and the AMA, uh, regulations while I log out and log back in?

[06:37] Speaker 1: I don't know those. You, you mean for, um, for-

[06:42] Speaker 2: Okay.

[06:44] Speaker 1: ... that?

[06:44] Speaker 2: Well, talk about something (laughs) , and I'll log out and log back in. I mean, uh, y- you know as much as I do about this, so talk about something.

[06:53] Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, okay. All right. We will. Hope you can... Hope it's better when you come back.

[07:01] Speaker 2: All right.

[07:04] Speaker 1: Okay, so- Hey, everyone.

[07:07] Speaker 4: H- hi, Robin.

[07:09] Speaker 1: Who's this? Hi.

[07:11] Speaker 4: This is, th- this is May Anne. So I know you, I know you ha- uh, have, um, available, a website that can identify, um, your organism for, uh, through DNA. Can you, um, share that with us?

[07:27] Speaker 1: Oh, so it does not necessarily d- it doesn't work quite that way. There's a website called VetDNA, V-E-T-D-N-A, uh, I think it's .com. I'm not sure. I haven't been there in a very long time. It's either .com or .org, and what... It has a section of the website called, "What's biting me?" You can get samples of what you think is biting you. You can ta- send up to three samples for, I don't know what it co- it used to be $75, but that was a long time ago. Um, and they will test those for, for, um... Or maybe it's one sample and they'll test it for three different things. But I, I haven't been on that website in a long, long, long time, but, but that's how it works. You send a sample, they test it. So you have to ask them what to test it for. Um, and, you know, sometimes it's effective and sometimes not so much.

[08:37] Speaker 4: I see. But you also had your doctor, um, do some kind of, um, testing, correct?

[08:43] Speaker 1: I had... I went to a dermatologist, and I had them, um, do a skin scraping for DNA for mites, because I knew I had bird mites in my skin. And they did a DNA skin scraping, and they said, "Yes, you have mites, and we don't know what they are, and we don't know how to treat them, but they're there." So that was helpful to me because my family kept wanting me to see psychiatrists and neurologists, and all kinds of doctors, and that got them to be quiet.

[09:18] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[09:21] Speaker 2: Okay, I'm back. Hopefully, can you hear me better?

[09:25] Speaker 1: No, it's a little worse.

[09:26] Speaker 4: Thank you.

[09:28] Speaker 2: It's worse?

[09:30] Speaker 4: Yeah, it's worse.

[09:33] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[09:33] Speaker 2: Now I'm on the, uh, on the mic. Huh. Well, it was amazing-

[09:38] Speaker 1: Why are you using headphones? Why are you using the headphones?

[09:41] Speaker 2: Oh, because I'm on the Yeti mic now.

[09:44] Speaker 1: Okay, so now turn the mic down.

[09:48] Speaker 2: Well, the mic is far away from me.

[09:51] Speaker 1: The, the, the, the Yeti mic has a little thing on the back of it to adjust volume.

[09:56] Speaker 2: I don't know. Okay.

[10:06] Speaker 1: And the best use of it isn't to have it far away, but about, like, that far away.

[10:13] Speaker 2: Well, we did a sound test and we, uh, l- long ago, before we even started, and everything was okay in the sound test.

[10:20] Speaker 1: I know, who knows? You know, it's crazy.

[10:22] Speaker 4: This is embarrassing.

[10:24] Speaker 1: This is a little bit... Lowering it and bringing it crow- closer, I think, will, I think that's making it a little better.

[10:31] Speaker 2: All right. We're, we're gonna experiment here. Testing one, two, three. Is this better?

[10:35] Speaker 1: Lower, lower it a little more.

[10:36] Speaker 4: It's not.

[10:37] Speaker 1: Lower the sound a little.

[10:38] Speaker 4: It's still distorted.

[10:39] Speaker 2: How about...

[10:39] Speaker 1: It's really distorted. Let me, let me talk. I know it's distorted, but if everyone talks, can't hear what to do.

[10:46] Speaker 2: Is this better?

[10:47] Speaker 1: Lower, lower the sound on the mic.

[10:50] Speaker 2: I turned it all the way down now.

[10:53] Speaker 1: You turned it all the way down now?

[10:55] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[10:56] Speaker 1: Uh, oh, okay, say something.

[10:58] Speaker 2: Say something, yeah, one, two, three, four.

[11:00] Speaker 1: The other thing is, you have to make sure you've turned the sound off on the computer sound, 'cause if you're getting it from both places-

[11:08] Speaker 2: No, I'm not. I'm not getting it from the computer at all.

[11:12] Speaker 1: Okay, it's still distorted.

[11:14] Speaker 2: It's still distorted.

[11:16] Speaker 1: Oh, this is so frustrating. I'm so sorry.

[11:21] Speaker 2: How about this? Is this any better?

[11:24] Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know. Lean back now.

[11:26] Speaker 2: I am back here. Is this any better?

[11:29] Speaker 1: No.

[11:29] Speaker 2: I'm just experimenting with buttons on this mic.

[11:34] Speaker 1: Um, I ha- I have a Yeti mic somewhere. You want... You, you want it on the... I don't know where mine is. You want it on the middle button, and, um, and you want, want to have it turned down.

[12:01] Speaker 2: Oh, well. Okay.

[12:06] Speaker 5: Is this acceptable or not? Is this a total disaster?

[12:11] Speaker 1: It, it's pretty bad. I'm sorry, Richard.

[12:15] Speaker 5: Well, I think I'm gonna just go ahead and hang up and let you handle it today, then, and, and, uh, uh, go for it. Why don't you just go for qu- questions and answers. You're there, Sharon's there. We could do Q & A, and, uh...

[12:31] Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Richard. Um, why don't you call me during the week? We could set up a time and try-

[12:36] Speaker 5: I'll tell you what, I'll call in by phone and I'll forget to do it on the call, I'll call in by phone.

[12:41] Speaker 1: Oh, okay.

[12:42] Speaker 5: All right?

[12:44] Speaker 1: All right.

[12:46] Speaker 6: Be better.

[12:46] Speaker 1: Okay. So, all right, we're gonna continue with Q & A, guys. Um, and Sharon, are you there? Sharon, you can unmute. I unmuted you and-

[13:00] Speaker 7: I'm, I'm here. Can you hear me?

[13:02] Speaker 1: Yeah. You're, you're kind of soft. Can you be a little louder?

[13:07] Speaker 7: Is that better?

[13:09] Speaker 1: Much better. Okay.

[13:11] Speaker 7: (laughs)

[13:12] Speaker 1: So, hey, everyone, Sharon, Alabama, and me, Robin, are here to answer all your questions. Uh, all your questions. (laughs)

[13:23] Speaker 7: (laughs)

[13:25] Speaker 1: As many as we can. So, um, I think that y- Sharon, did you have, um, phone numbers of people with questions? Why don't we start with those?

[13:35] Speaker 7: Um, yes. Well, we have Anne.

[13:40] Speaker 1: Okay.

[13:41] Speaker 7: Anne, if you want to unmute yourself.

[13:45] Speaker 1: Star, six.

[13:48] Speaker 8: Can you hear me?

[13:50] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[13:50] Speaker 8: Okay. Hi. Yeah. Um, so I, I've been wanting to order, uh, zeolite and there's so many on Amazon, I don't know which one to order. Um-

[14:03] Speaker 1: Ah. I think I would read the reviews. Read-

[14:08] Speaker 8: Okay.

[14:09] Speaker 1: My best advice would be you don't want to order anything that doesn't have four stars.

[14:15] Speaker 8: Okay.

[14:16] Speaker 1: And mostly, mostly, mostly four star reviews.

[14:20] Speaker 8: Okay.

[14:20] Speaker 1: That's how I choose things. I mean, maybe Richard has a plan, but I don't know it.

[14:26] Speaker 8: Maybe what? Oh.

[14:28] Speaker 1: Maybe Richard has a plan to recommend which he could tell you, but I always go by four star reviews.

[14:35] Speaker 8: Right. Right. And I, I mean, it probably depends on ingredients, too. Like-

[14:40] Speaker 7: It does.

[14:41] Speaker 8: ... and one of-

[14:42] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.

[14:42] Speaker 8: Yeah, one of 'em, one of 'em says natural vegetable glycerin, so I would think that's not a good one.

[14:51] Speaker 1: Um, I don't know. I mean, for me, I haven't had a problem with things that say that. But also-

[14:56] Speaker 8: Oh.

[14:57] Speaker 1: ... I'm not, I'm n- so, you know, I mean, that's why it's, if you're in stage one, I would be extra careful. But I never had a problem with that. So, it depends on the person. I had problems with plenty of vitamins that I had to throw out, you know.

[15:13] Speaker 8: Yep.

[15:13] Speaker 1: And, but, um, yeah. I, I would... So, make, make a list of the four star ingredient ones and then compare them and pick the one-

[15:24] Speaker 8: Okay.

[15:25] Speaker 1: ... that has the most ingredients that seem compatible with the diet. Remember that if an ingredient is far down on the list, there's less chance of it being a problem.

[15:38] Speaker 8: Right. Right. I know. Um.

[15:40] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[15:41] Speaker 8: Yeah, the first ingredient h- is, is the most, um, uh, and, you know, if my husband is a carrier, I, I'm wondering, you know, am I ever gonna get rid of this problem? (scoffs)

[15:52] Speaker 1: Well, if your husband is a carrier, you can, um, you can wash his bedding and his clothes and-

[16:01] Speaker 8: Yeah. He, he lets me do his la- he lets me do his laundry the way I need to do it, you know?

[16:08] Speaker 1: Okay. And, and if you- and if he was willing to shower or wash with Nature's Gift and that stuff, um, that, that lowers the, the chance of reinfection to you. Um, I mean, the other issue is diet, but, you, you know, that's a tough, that's a tough thing to get-

[16:28] Speaker 8: Yeah, no. He, he wouldn't, he wouldn't do it.

[16:31] Speaker 1: But, but, but-

[16:32] Speaker 5: I'm back.

[16:34] Speaker 1: Oh, and we can hear you.

[16:37] Speaker 8: Perfect.

[16:37] Speaker 5: Really?

[16:38] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[16:39] Speaker 5: Okay.

[16:40] Speaker 1: Cool.

[16:41] Speaker 5: So, we're talking about carriers, and-

[16:46] Speaker 1: Wait, Richard.

[16:46] Speaker 5: Yes?

[16:46] Speaker 1: First, we're talking about which zeolite you recommend.

[16:51] Speaker 5: Oh, I'm not an expert on that. Uh, I, you know, go, I don't know if anybody has recommendations, we can go by them. I, you know, I don't really-

[17:01] Speaker 1: That's okay. We need a good way to judge what zeolite.

[17:05] Speaker 5: I, I don't know which is the best zeolite. Uh, I, I go-

[17:10] Speaker 1: Is vegetable glycerin bad? Is vegetable glycerin generally bad if it's a pill?

[17:14] Speaker 5: Anything with glycerin is bad, doesn't matter what it is.

[17:18] Speaker 1: Okay.

[17:18] Speaker 8: Yeah.

[17:18] Speaker 5: Um, so you, you want to stay away from that.

[17:24] Speaker 1: All right, then.

[17:24] Speaker 5: Uh, dealing with, uh, carriers, of course, you're, you're doing what you want to do. Uh, the bedding and the clothing, uh, disinfected, having take a bath, uh, in the Nature's Gift and he should be pretty good then. Uh-

[17:41] Speaker 8: He won't, he won't take the bath, you know, and he won't go on the diet, but he lets me do his laundry the way I need.

[17:48] Speaker 1: And if he will take a shower.

[17:49] Speaker 5: Will, will he, will he take a shower?

[17:52] Speaker 8: Yeah. Yeah. He-

[17:53] Speaker 5: All right.

[17:53] Speaker 8: He would u-

[17:53] Speaker 5: Well, then give him, give him some, uh, beautiful lavender soap and, or some, uh, tea tree oil soap, or something like that. Have him use one o- one of our scented soaps, or rose soap.

[18:06] Speaker 8: Yeah.

[18:06] Speaker 5: Who knows? Whatever he likes. Eucalyptus.

[18:09] Speaker 8: Yeah, he would-Yeah, he was using the soap for a while, the Nature's Gift soap for a while, and then I was running low, so now he's back to the soap that he likes.

[18:21] Speaker 5: Well, there should be one of our soaps that he might really like.

[18:25] Speaker 8: Yeah. All right.

[18:26] Speaker 5: So experiment. Get him, uh, several different bars and let him figure out which one he likes best.

[18:32] Speaker 8: Yeah. And what do you think about, uh ... The, the friend that I got this problem from, I got it from her at her house. She recommended I g- I go on the Z-Pak antibiotics, but, um-

[18:46] Speaker 9: And-

[18:46] Speaker 5: Wow.

[18:46] Speaker 8: ... my doctor-

[18:48] Speaker 9: No.

[18:48] Speaker 8: My doctor won't prescribe it for me.

[18:51] Speaker 5: You know-

[18:51] Speaker 9: They'll just-

[18:51] Speaker 5: You know-

[18:51] Speaker 9: ... come back when you get off the antibiotics.

[18:55] Speaker 8: What? Say it again?

[18:55] Speaker 5: This, this is why we, this is why we use our, our, uh, allicin, our Garcinia, uh, because-

[19:01] Speaker 8: Right. And I do ... Yeah, I take that.

[19:04] Speaker 5: It, it is a natural antibiotic.

[19:07] Speaker 8: Oh.

[19:07] Speaker 5: And, uh, you, you know, with the garcinia, it's a natural antibiotic. No bugs can adapt to it. I can't really make, I can't make, uh, claims, but if you read the book that we have that's available for free-

[19:22] Speaker 8: Right.

[19:23] Speaker 5: ... it explains, uh, how it works. Uh, so ... And the reason it's in the store is that my own personal experience, I found it amazingly powerful, and many people, uh, find it that ... It doesn't destroy your gut flora like, uh, regular antibiotics do.

[19:42] Speaker 8: Okay.

[19:42] Speaker 5: So it has many bene- benefits over, uh, uh, regular antibiotics that, uh, your doctor might prescribe.

[19:50] Speaker 8: Okay. Okay. Thank you.

[19:54] Speaker 5: You're welcome. Uh, so anyway, I, I didn't go through the, uh, disclaimers, uh, for everybody on this call. The FDA requires me to inform you that before you start the diet or accept any of our rec- my recommendations or those of my coaches, I like what Robin said in the beginning. Uh, definitely use a free coach. Don't be thinking you gotta use just a particular one you picked out, because, uh, many coaches have different approaches. That's good. That's a nice rhyme there, Robin.

[20:26] Speaker 5: (laughs)

[20:26] Speaker 8: (laughs)

[20:28] Speaker 5: A a- and it's true. You, you know, there are some people you just get along with better than others, that, that you relate better with than others. So ... And our coaches, uh, there's no fees charged. They don't get any, uh, stipends or anything of that nature. They do this of their own free will, and, uh, and love to, uh, help others, uh, get their lives back because they are so appreciative of how they've gotten their lives back and, and, uh, how this program works, uh, and the love and care that, that we all have for everyone who's in the program. So ... But the FDA doesn't care about any of that. Uh, nevertheless, before you start the diet, accept any of my, our recommendations, you're to thoroughly discuss them medic- with your doctor to make sure they do not interfere with any health problems you may be presently experiencing.

[21:22] Speaker 5: Uh, the AMA requires me to tell you that, uh, none of us are trained medical doctors, and only medical doctors are allowed to prescribe, diagnose, treat, cure, mitigate, or prevent disease, and we don't do any of that. We're allowed to educate you, and that's what I and the book and the coaches and ... That's what we do. We educate you how to, um, eat because, uh, my findings since the late '90s is that the symptoms of not only Morgellons, but that of, uh, strongyloides, uh,, uh, columbola, uh, mites, and, uh, uh, even, uh, to some degree fungal issues is totally connected to diet. And what you eat defines you as to what, uh, preferences these organisms have. Uh, so the diet has been effective, uh, where the medical establishment has come up with nothing other than scowling at people who, uh, mention the word, uh, Morgellons and, and, uh, uh, c- clarifying and, uh, condemning them in a sense to having a psychosis of sorts, um, delusional parasitosis.

[22:40] Speaker 5: Um, we've, we've had, uh, uh, amazing results. Uh, today, uh, I was hoping that, uh, Kerry, uh, Kerry Anne from, uh, Morgellons Uncensored was going to be with us today. Uh, she had this ... We were talking over ... during the weekend. Uh, she has shared, uh ... So I'm not divulging anything that she hasn't willingly shared, uh, before that she's dealing with lupus and has these, uh, skin lesions, and she's wondering how many other people are dealing with autoimmune diseases and if that's a contributing factor. So if you've read the couple of emails that I've sent out recently, there's a survey, uh, and it is very important that each of you complete the survey whether you have any of those things going on or not. I mean, the survey just doesn't ask you only about, uh, these, uh, things like lupus and, uh, arthritis, uh, autoimmune issues.

[23:54] Speaker 5: It asks you whether or not you've got maybe strongyloides, whether you've got Lyme disease, whether you smoke and don't smoke and whether you use, uh, uh, drugs or alcohol or ... Uh, because we're looking at all the factors. We're, we're trying to learn as much as we can about this. Uh-... so that we ... I mean, people have written me and sometimes, like, one Saturday morning you might see an email from me that says, uh, "Laferon cured me of Morgellons!" And definitely people have written me and I've quoted them. But when we really look at it, uh, fungal issues were the cofactor. And when they used the laferon or our supplements such as, uh, the kinase enzymes or the, uh, calcium Dalex and got their fungal organisms under control, they were quickly, uh, able to, uh, dispense with Morgellons. So we know this. And the more we know about Morgellons, the, the better in our fight that, that we can be.

[25:10] Speaker 5: So I urge you to complete the questionnaire, um, copy it, paste it into an email, send it to Kerryann, she says she's the stat girl, and, uh, her email is there with the questionnaire. And whether, i- if you have no cofactors, that's good, just send it in and say, "No cofactors." But most likely, most people have at least one cofactor. Uh, there are probably about 20 ... I had no idea how many autoimmune diseases there were until I went to, uh, uh, Bing and looked it up. Uh, I pared it down to, uh, probably 20 of the, uh, more significant ones, uh, higher percentage ones. Someone did email me and said, yeah, she's got, uh, several autoimmune issues, but they don't really, uh, classify, uh, I- I guess on a higher scale, more to a low degree that she has them. So, th- this is important information. Uh, the more we know about Morgellons, the, the quicker, uh, one can, uh, implement the diet, attack the root cause, and get their life back faster. So please do complete it.

[26:34] Speaker 5: And, uh, I haven't heard from Kerryann. I was hoping she would join us at some point, but, uh, uh, today seems to have started out, uh, (laughs) on the wrong side of the bed, so to speak, when it comes to podcasting. I have no idea, I apologize, with the sound. It wasn't good either way. Now, uh, I, I know, uh, Robin, you've shared from time to time, you're dealing with some, uh, autoimmune issues, right?

[27:02] Speaker 1: Yes, I am.

[27:04] Speaker 5: Would you care to elaborate and share?

[27:08] Speaker 1: Um, I don't think my autoimmune issues have anything to do with Morgellons, but, uh, what, what, what would you like to know?

[27:18] Speaker 5: Well, I was just wondering h- uh, (bell dings) have you always had the autoimmune sy- system, uh, I mean, the, uh-

[27:25] Speaker 1: Okay.

[27:25] Speaker 5: ... symptoms or did it happen after, uh, you contracted Morgellons? Um-

[27:30] Speaker 1: No. So I, I had chronic Lyme and nearly died and was in bed for four years and, um, and that crushed my immune system. I got better and didn't have chronic Lyme, but developed Epstein-Barr and, um, a couple of other things related to Lyme, which also lowered my immune system, which was recovering. And then I got COVID and nearly died and was in bed for three months. That was no treatment. That was when there was no treatment. And that took about two years to recover from. Um, but I've had COVID seven times and my immune system just became more and more compromised. Then in, two years ago in the fall, I caught what the doctors said was pneumonia. I'm not convinced what it was, but, um, I could not get better and I was on antibiotics and, um, my immune system just started attacking itself at that point. And I came down with a very rare autoimmune disease, which includes six deadly autoimmune diseases. And it has nothing to do with Morgellons.

[28:53] Speaker 1: I have found alternative therapies, changes in diet that complement our diet and different protocols which have let me, um, have my internal organs start healing, 'cause they were all failing. I couldn't walk up and down stairs. I couldn't sing. And it's been two years and now I'm starting to book gigs again and I'm slowly improving, but I'm not out of the woods. But it has nothing to do with Morgellons.

[29:27] Speaker 5: So the autoimmune came after Morgellons? Is that what you're, is that what you said?

[29:32] Speaker 1: No, it started before.

[29:34] Speaker 5: Uh-huh.

[29:34] Speaker 1: It started years before, 2012.

[29:37] Speaker 5: Oh, okay. So that, that's been a long time.

[29:40] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[29:40] Speaker 5: Right.

[29:41] Speaker 1: And, and I was born with an autoimmune disease.

[29:44] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

[29:44] Speaker 1: And that comes way, way before.

[29:46] Speaker 5: Way, way, way, way, way. Right. Mm-hmm.

[29:48] Speaker 1: So I, I am not convinced that (bell dings) autoimmune ... I mean, I re- I still think Morgellons and other skin parasites have to do with either blood type or pheromones.

[30:01] Speaker 5: Ah.

[30:01] Speaker 1: They're attracted to some people and not attracted to others. And I don't think they ... Autoimmune is a different issue entirely. I'm, I'm-

[30:09] Speaker 5: Okay.

[30:10] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[30:12] Speaker 5: Uh, yeah.

[30:12] Speaker 1: So (...) (00:08:15) thesis, but I don't agree with it.

[30:16] Speaker 5: I mean, uh, yeah, e- even, like you mentioned Lyme disease and the, uh, Charles Holman Association, they're all about Lyme disease and thinking that people with, uh, Lyme disease or have also... some of them have Morgellons, probably, uh, se- uh, several percent. And in my own experience, I didn't find that true. I'd never had Morgellons until years after I, uh... Lyme disease almost killed me.

[30:45] Speaker 1: Right.

[30:45] Speaker 5: So, I was well over Lyme disease, uh, before Morgellons came along.

[30:51] Speaker 1: Me too.

[30:51] Speaker 5: So.

[30:51] Speaker 1: Too. And, and the thing is is that ticks can be a carrier of Morgellons, but not every tick does, so that makes perfect sense.

[31:01] Speaker 5: That's very, that's very true. So, I guess that's another p- important point. When you're completing the questionnaire, uh, it's a little bit more to it than, than whether or not you've had these, uh, issues. It's about, I guess, the, uh, chronology of, uh, "Well, okay, I had Lyme disease, but it got nothing to do with Morgellons because it was years before I had Morgellons and, uh, I had gotten rid of it before that." So, I guess that, uh, well, whatever we can learn is, uh, important. Uh, we may need, I may need to adjust the, uh, uh, the questionnaire accordingly, so...

[31:40] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. Yeah. That's a good idea.

[31:45] Speaker 5: Well, if anyone else, uh, do a star six and join in the conversation. We're talking about autoimmune issues and, uh, other cofactors, whether they be fungal issues or, or whatever.

[31:59] Speaker 1: Hi.

[31:59] Speaker 10: Yes, h- hi. This is Anna, um-

[32:02] Speaker 1: Sorry, mute.

[32:02] Speaker 10: I'm sorry. Is, is it okay to continue?

[32:05] Speaker 1: Why? Speaker<|agent|><|en|>

[32:06] Speaker 5: Sure, Anna. Hi.

[32:07] Speaker 10: Yeah, hi. Um, I'm just wondering if epigenetics contri- can be a contributing factor. Um, you know, uh, there's a whole, uh, study on how, uh, genetics, epigenetics cellular memory can affect one, uh, uh, upon birth and if there's trauma in one's ancestral line, um, one could be subjected to, to that trauma. I'm just wondering if, uh, if that can be, um, you know, evaluated as a possibility, uh, and for i- immune systems to be weakened because I myself, um, I was born with a very weakened immune system and I'm just wondering if, uh, if anyone has any thoughts on that. Thank you.

[32:50] Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think we're-

[32:50] Speaker 5: Well, Anna, I think that one, uh, is an interesting question. I don't think we could ever touch it, uh, because we don't, uh, really possess the, uh, uh, the analytical abilities and the research, uh, opportunities to, uh, test that. That would be a major study. Uh, it could definitely be worth it, but, uh, it would require a major study to, to look at that.

[33:17] Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.

[33:18] Speaker 5: I, uh, I think the, uh, the pheromones, I mean, why people are more susceptible, uh, an- anybody with lupus or autoimmune disease of any nature or, uh, uh, Lyme disease or bacterial infections, why they catch or why they develop Morgellons and Columbola, uh, more so than others, I, I agree with Robyn on that. It's, uh, uh, a, uh, pheromone issue. And, and that bears out pretty much by the fact that, uh, when people do use the pheromones, it's reported that they are less, uh-

[34:00] Speaker 10: Uh-huh.

[34:00] Speaker 5: ... favorable to, to, uh, organisms-

[34:03] Speaker 10: Yeah.

[34:04] Speaker 5: ... uh, attacking them when they go shopping and, and, uh, out in public.

[34:08] Speaker 10: Mm-hmm. Hmm. Okay. Okay. Thank you.

[34:11] Speaker 5: You're welcome. Anyone else?

[34:15] Speaker 11: Richard, Richard, I have a, just a thought here. Um, my name's Tracy, um, and-

[34:20] Speaker 5: Hi, Tracy.

[34:20] Speaker 11: Hi.

[34:20] Speaker 1: Were you with Dave at Country Tavern today?

[34:23] Speaker 11: Um-

[34:23] Speaker 5: No.

[34:24] Speaker 1: Oh.

[34:26] Speaker 11: I'm sorry.

[34:26] Speaker 5: Go ahead, Tracy.

[34:27] Speaker 11: Okay. Um, so I do have autoimmune. I have Hashimoto's disease. Um, I'm not sure if it actually is a factor. I know that probably 'cause all of our immune systems-

[34:39] Speaker 1: Coagulation.

[34:39] Speaker 11: ... are so much weakened-

[34:40] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[34:41] Speaker 11: ... that it does get, um... I think it, you know, probably hurts us a little bit here and there, but I absolutely agree with Robyn when she said that it's, you know, blood type or pheromones because I feel like, you know, I'm good one minute and then I walk outside and I just feel like every... Like, they're like, "Oh, there's my food," and everything comes running to you.

[35:02] Speaker 5: (laughs) Where's my food? (laughs) Like...

[35:05] Speaker 11: (laughs) I mean, that's what I do. I just feel, you know-

[35:08] Speaker 5: (laughs)

[35:08] Speaker 11: I mean, 'cause I can be completely fine. I go outside. I, I mean, I just even go to a store and it just feels like they're all calling their brothers and sisters and saying, "Hey, we, we found food." Um, and you know, but I do think that is a lot. The other thing I think, and I know that I contracted it as soon as after I had gotten mites and Columbola, um, was histamine and allergy issues. Um, and now mine are off the chart and, you know, you're, you know... Like, I feel like I'm allergic to everything. Like, I used to be able to eat beef. I loved beef. And then all of a sudden I can't eat beef no more, and I mean, it just seems like my allergies are just getting worse. Maybe it isn't even an allergy.

[35:57] Speaker 11: Maybe it's something that these-

[36:00] Speaker 1: Can I interrupt?

[36:00] Speaker 11: ... parasites, mites, and stuff. Yeah.

[36:02] Speaker 1: Uh, there is a, uh, form of Lyme disease that makes you allergic to beef.

[36:11] Speaker 11: Huh.

[36:12] Speaker 1: Yeah. So-

[36:14] Speaker 5: What is that? Allergic to what?

[36:17] Speaker 1: There's a form, uh, uh, a variation of Lyme disease that makes you allergic to beef.

[36:24] Speaker 5: Beef. Oh, okay.

[36:25] Speaker 1: Yeah. And I don't know if there's-

[36:28] Speaker 11: Can you-

[36:29] Speaker 1: Uh, but I, I don't... I, I read about it and I didn't write anything down and I... that's about all I can (laughs) tell you. So-

[36:36] Speaker 11: Huh.

[36:38] Speaker 1: ... you could, you could look it up. Uh, Lyme disease, allergies to beef, but it's totally connected and I've met people who have it, so...

[36:47] Speaker 11: Can you tell me, do you know if the only way that you get Lyme disease are, is by being bitten by a tick or do you think-

[36:55] Speaker 5: No, not at all.

[36:56] Speaker 1: No.

[36:56] Speaker 11: No?

[36:56] Speaker 5: You can get it-

[36:57] Speaker 11: No?

[36:57] Speaker 1: Not to-

[36:57] Speaker 5: They even suspect it could be congenital.

[37:00] Speaker 1: Well, I, I... that's a suspect. I think that you have to be... you can be bitten by a tick and never know it, because like nymph ticks are so small and you might never feel it. I got Li- I've had Lyme disease seven times and, and only one time was I able to identify the tick. But I, uh, but I got tested and it, I mean, I definitely had Lyme disease.

[37:27] Speaker 11: Can you be... if you're bitten by, say, springtails, columbola or mites, can you get it from that?

[37:34] Speaker 1: I don't-

[37:35] Speaker 11: Um-

[37:35] Speaker 1: ... think so, but I know mosquitoes can carry Lyme disease, so, you know-

[37:40] Speaker 5: Yeah, I, I wouldn't-

[37:42] Speaker 1: ... I don't rule it in-

[37:42] Speaker 5: ... I wouldn't rule o- I wouldn't rule out any of them. It doesn't really matter where they, where it comes from, but it... I'm sure you can get it from multiple different vectors. And, uh, uh, yeah, so Lyme disease, there are different variations of it. Uh, there's a fellow in, uh, Europe who thinks there're 30 different, uh, spirochetes. Uh, the Morgellons Associations have identified two different, uh, variations of it. So, yeah, but I don't think it's as prevalent as they claim it to be. Um, I'd say of all of our membership and the people in the program, probably no more than maybe 15 or 20% of them are dealing with some form of Lyme disease.

[38:26] Speaker 11: I, I guess I was thinking, you know, um, the histamine and allergy issues, I really would wonder how many people have gotten worse since they've had mites and columbola. And, um, I don't have fibers, so I don't have Morgellon, Morgellons, but, um, all the other stuffs, I think I've had everything else, but, um-

[38:44] Speaker 1: I never got worse because of it. I never got worse because of Morgellons. They're like separate issues.

[38:51] Speaker 11: Well, I know mine got worse, really worse, and it feels like (laughs) anything that I blink my eyes now, I'm either, um, still allergic or I've got-

[39:00] Speaker 5: Well-

[39:00] Speaker 11: ... serious issues with, but that's just my opinion, my, you know, what I've been dealing with.

[39:05] Speaker 5: No, it, it's not your opinion, it's your experience, which is very valid and very important-

[39:10] Speaker 11: Right.

[39:10] Speaker 5: ... because it is different with everybody experiencing this disease. Uh, it affects people differently. What, what these, uh, co-factors do is they use up your resources that you could be using to fight Morgellons, to get better from Morgellons and just make it more difficult for the diet to be more effective, and for, uh, you to, uh, get a speedy recover, recovery. That's what they do. Uh, so... and, uh, uh, again, it doesn't mean that you don't also have intestinal parasites, but for you, the intestinal parasites may not be an issue at all, even though you may have them. Uh, they may still be dormant.

[39:51] Speaker 11: Oh, I've had it all.

[39:51] Speaker 5: Yeah. Uh, so-

[39:53] Speaker 11: I've, I've been on the, um, Mucinaron, I'm on Fenben, um, I did the Ivermectin, you know, before that, but, um, I'm still on all that. I still got like, till like June or something like that, that would be my 32 weeks with the Fenben, but, um, I've had it all and I still have it all and I just... you know, you just keep wondering. (laughs) And I've been using the garlic, um, because it is good, it does help. Um-

[40:20] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

[40:20] Speaker 11: ... can, can you take that garlic forever or should you come off of-

[40:25] Speaker 5: Garlic?

[40:25] Speaker 11: Yeah. The Garci-

[40:26] Speaker 5: The Garci-

[40:26] Speaker 11: Yeah. Uh-huh.

[40:27] Speaker 5: You can take it forever, and I would suggest taking it forever, because, uh, uh, it's a natural antibiotic and every day we go out in public, we touch things, we touch grocery carts, we go in stores, we touch hangers, and, uh, when we go shopping where, where other people have touched, and bathroom door knobs and, uh, everything else, and uh, we pick up germs and the Garcinolone is a natural antibiotic, yeah. Uh, I think the best w- the best thing to do, if you can keep the bottle of Nature's Gift solution with you, a little spray bottle, is to get in a habit of whenever you go out and touch anything, spray your fingers and your hands. But I often forget anyway. But nevertheless, it's good to have as much as, as much there as you can, the, uh, uh, Garcillin and, and so forth, uh, to keep yourself free of coming down with bacterial infections and viruses and flus and things like that, or even COVID.

[41:30] Speaker 11: Okay. Well, thank you.

[41:33] Speaker 5: You're welcome. And, and thanks for, for participating and being a part of this. Uh, Mary writes, "Hi Richard. First of all, I want to tell you that I think what you are doing for all of us who have Morgellons is incredibly awesome. It just, it's just so unbelievable to me that there are still unselfish and truly caring people in the world such as you guys. I want to thank you for all of us. You are a godsend. I thought I'd let you know that last August, I was diagnosed with organizing pneumonia. The pulmonologist has been trying to figure out what's causing it. He put me on 40 milligrams of prednisone and most of the Morgellons symptoms went away." Co-factor there for her, the, uh, pneumonia and the prednisone made a difference. So the- these co-factors, when we get rid of them, it makes it a lot easier to get rid of Morgellons.

[42:31] Speaker 5: And the co-factors can be different for each people, is what I've been saying.He did a panel of blood work looking for autoimmune diseases and a lot of them that are listed in your survey came out positive. However, they decided to disregard all of them because they were all just barely inside the cutoff line. This makes me wonder if there's more to this than my doctors know. Anyway, I wanted to, to share this information with you. I hope you have a great summer and don't work too hard. Mary." Uh, anyone else would like to share or ask a question related to the topic, or unrelated? Uh, before the, uh, program started, I, uh, heard someone saying that she wanted a... she would like to have a section in the program where they could share. Every week we ask you to share. So please, anything you'd like to share, if you've discovered a different way of bathing or, uh, cleaning your home, or whatever, please be f- be free to share.

[43:38] Speaker 5: As long as you don't bring up things that we're not familiar with or that we don't use, that, uh, you know (laughs) we have to look into and, and evaluate. We, we d- we don't want to go down rabbit holes here. Anyone else?

[43:56] Speaker 12: Um, hi. This is Tina and I just have a comment that follows on to an earlier caller. Um, thank you. Um, the woman who was just on and talking about how she's reacting to more foods, or maybe, maybe just one, but, um, I, I'm assuming that you all have discussed this, so I'll just keep it really short. But it seems like as we deal with these different, um, parasites and the food they bring with them, such as maybe fungus, you know, bacteria, 'cause I have those things on my skin too as a result of, um, what they've brought with them, you know, along with the parasites themselves. Um, I'm pretty sure I have leaky gut and, you know, the, the fungus alone can cause that, such that there are kind of gaps, um, in, you know, in the, in the GI system basically, and then once there are gaps in the GI system and, um, things kind of, uh, leak out from there into the body, um, the body can react to a lot of things, not just, you know, what you started with, but then other things bother you too.

[45:09] Speaker 12: And it's ironic that years ago, my daughter had... We, we couldn't figure out anything but it being leaky gut and we found black mold in the basement. So I mean, different things can cause leaky gut, but she reacted to all kinds of food and ibuprofen and yellow number six and, you know, foods, foods, foods, and we put her on an elimination diet, which is not unlike what we're doing now for ourselves. So anyway, the diet, um, that she was on helped her, healed her. So, you know, kudos, um, this will heal us too, but leaky gut can lead to us reacting to lots of other foods and things we didn't react to before.

[45:52] Speaker 12: I hope that-

[45:53] Speaker 5: Well, thank you for-

[45:54] Speaker 12: ...

[45:54] Speaker 5: Thank you for sharing that, and leaky gut is, uh, an important issue that's discussed in, in my book. And are you familiar that we have, uh, an herbal, uh, uh, s- an herbal formulation in our store for dealing with leaky gut?

[46:12] Speaker 12: Oh, thank you. I haven't investigated all of the things yet. Uh, thank you.

[46:16] Speaker 5: Oh, yes, uh, I mean, uh, one of my, one of my important, uh, approaches is dealing with the gut biome. Uh, first of all, the mouth biome and the gut biome. So our products are really aimed at working with the biome in both the gut and the mouth. Uh, but in particular, what you say about leaky gut is very important. Leaky gut can be caused by many, many different issues. Uh, one of them worms getting through the intestinal lining, uh, use of antibiotics, and, and, uh, uh, not, uh, not very good eating habits, overgrowth of fungus, candida and so forth can get through and usually end up with bloating and as a result of leaky gut, the worms get into the bloodstream and, uh, so do the, does the candida albicans and takes up residence in different organs and converts into a higher form of fungus, which is more difficult to deal with. So, uh, when it comes to leaky gut, uh, well, gut issues, number one, we suggest starting...

[47:24] Speaker 5: You know, it's always upping your game and, and I'm, I'm not really here to sell our products. I mean, I'm here to inform that the products that we have are compatible with the diet, and as far as I know, the diet is the only way to salvation or to success in getting rid of these organisms, and you want to use products, if you can find them elsewhere, that are compatible and do the same thing, you know, by m- all means. However, I do appreciate, uh, your patronage, but we first start off with, uh, the low, the low level and that is a digestive enzyme, and if the problem still con- continues, then we go to, uh, calcium Declex. Ca- Calcium Declex is, uh, undecylic acid am- among some other supplements and it- its purpose is to, uh, populate the biome in the gut and also, uh, inhibit the production of the hyphae that, uh, fungal organisms create and depend on to feed. Uh, and then the next step is go to our polyphenols....

[48:36] Speaker 5: the polyphenols that we have, uh, it's, uh, called, uh, Digestive Aid and, uh, Skin Regenerator, that's what it's called, but it's got polyphenols. And what, what does Skin Generator have to do with, uh, uh, restoring the gut? Well, ep- epithelial cells are not only in your skin, but they're also in the gut and, and elsewhere in your body. So, uh, we want to feed them, uh, so that helps, uh, populate the gut. And then the ultimate, if you're dealing with leaky gut, is our, uh, uh, uh, the, uh, Gut Restore herbal formula. And that, uh, has, uh, uh, supplements in it to strengthen the, the, uh, intestinal lining, uh, L-glutamine, the f- the food of the mucosa to, to strengthen them, and also, uh, pepsin G and some other powerful enzymes that, uh, continue populating the gut. So, it's like the, the most effective approach that you can take.

[49:38] Speaker 5: Obviously, if you're dealing then with, uh, uh, fungal organisms that have gotten into your organs and, and converted to hyphae, and if you're dealing with, uh, worms that have got- uh, gotten into your joints and your skin, well, then you want to look at the, uh, uh, Lefinuron and the, uh, uh, Fenben. Uh, I saw on Margelin's Uncensored a, uh, you know, some people, "Okay, I don't want to go the medicine route with Fenben and, and, uh, uh, ivermectin," so there's castor oil packs that you can use available, uh, to deal with worms as well. But it's an overall approach, uh, to deal with all these, and then, uh, you might write me and say, "Hey, uh, Lefinuron cured me." And, and it's because, uh, the Lefinuron are getting rid of the fungal organisms really made it possible for you to, to knock off the king on the chessboard, and I always relate the king, not the most impo- powerful piece, but the most important piece is Margelin's. Uh, we got seven minutes here. I asked Mary to join us.

[50:48] Speaker 5: This is another Mary, uh, talking about fungal o- organisms. She writes, "Dear Richard, based on my experiences, including DNA sequencing of my organisms, I wholeheartedly agree that fungi, as opposed to a single fungus, is responsible for the majority of skin infections in cohorts such as ours. I also agree with Nancy that our skin, and perhaps GI fungus- fungi, attract parasites to us that are not easily attracted to others without such per- prev- prevalent fungi, including molds. Oils, gelatin, grains, including rice, all feed fungi, including mold growth, according to Google Scholar search posting related questions. Uh, in addition, processed natural cellulose, such as that used as fillers in many supplements and also capsules, feed fungi such as asper- Aspergillus and, uh, Penicillium. Uh, candida, by contrast, can only ingest by highly processed cellulose, according to a Google f- uh, scholar search.

[51:51] Speaker 5: Hypermellose might be an exception to this rule as it is un- uh, reportedly unable to digest by fungi or parasites." Uh, she even finds it here that, uh, uh, we use the veggie caps, uh, often made from, uh, uh, cellulose. Uh, they, actually the, they say these caps could actually feed fungi organisms, but then by, uh, the same token, we go after fungus. So, uh, if we're using antifungal, uh, supplements and medications such as Lefinuron, uh, kinase enzymes, uh, the, uh, Calcium Daclex, then, uh, the, uh, we, we, the... Those, uh, uh, cellulose, uh, capsules probably would be of little significance in, in feeding, uh, the fungi. Okay, we ha- we're down to about five, six minutes now. Anyone else would like to share or ask a question? If we have any new people on, uh, from, uh, Margelin's Uncensored, I'm sure that all this sounds like a gobbledygook at this point. It, uh, because, uh, we're in a different realm here than most, uh, people who fight these parasites.

[53:07] Speaker 5: We're in the realm that works. Anyone else-

[53:10] Speaker 13: Maris in Georgia.

[53:10] Speaker 5: ... like to share, introduce yourself?

[53:11] Speaker 13: Hey, hey, Richard. Maris in Georgia. If we've only got a short amount of time, um, I can either do my sharing or I c- now or I can do it later. Um-

[53:20] Speaker 5: Just jump to it. Just jump to it, Maris.

[53:23] Speaker 13: Okay. Well, I have... The questions are more important. I need to know, um, um... Anyway, Robyn helped by saying, uh, we don't do watery vegetables. Ca- does that include celery and, um-

[53:37] Speaker 1: I don't think I ever said that.

[53:38] Speaker 13: She-

[53:38] Speaker 1: I just wanted to-

[53:39] Speaker 13: Well, I mean, you said lettu- lettuce. I in turn- I put my own spin on it, and, um, I noticed-

[53:45] Speaker 1: Yeah, well, cel-

[53:45] Speaker 5: Don't, don't put, don't you put, don't put your own spin on anything.

[53:48] Speaker 13: (laughs)

[53:48] Speaker 5: Go, go by what it says, okay?

[53:49] Speaker 13: Well, a- also, there, there-

[53:51] Speaker 1: Celery

[53:52] Speaker 14: My skin's So

[53:52] Speaker 13: I have mites in my box of lettuce. I think that's a, a real spin, so, um, but I'm wondering if celery and cucumbers are too watery. So-

[54:03] Speaker 1: No.

[54:03] Speaker 5: No, no, no. They're, they're both in stage one. Read the stage one-

[54:06] Speaker 13: Yes, yes, yes.

[54:06] Speaker 5: ... and go by that.

[54:07] Speaker 13: I got it. I got... That's all I needed to know. They're watery, guys.

[54:10] Speaker 5: All right. Thank you.

[54:11] Speaker 13: They're watery. That's not my only question. Um-

[54:13] Speaker 1: Could I

[54:14] Speaker 14: Yeah.

[54:14] Speaker 1: ... interrupt first? Hello. Lettuce is on stage one. I just find that there are other green leafy vegetables that have more nutrition, less sugar.

[54:25] Speaker 13: Uh-huh.

[54:25] Speaker 1: ... and aren't as-

[54:27] Speaker 13: Uh-huh.

[54:27] Speaker 1: ... block. That's all I was saying, but I use cucumber-

[54:29] Speaker 13: Perfect.

[54:29] Speaker 1: ... and celery all the time.

[54:31] Speaker 13: I was, yes. Um, a lady, uh, several, several months ago, said, "There's no way that we can have, um..."... glucosamine, is that true? And it was, uh, one of our, uh, people that-

[54:44] Speaker 5: I have... We have no idea. You have to test these things for yourself.

[54:47] Speaker 9: I know it's not true. No, it's not true.

[54:50] Speaker 13: It's not true.

[54:50] Speaker 9: I do.

[54:50] Speaker 13: Okay, because I've stopped taking all this stuff and my bones are ailing. Uh-

[54:54] Speaker 9: Well, it depends on which glucosamine. Just read the ingredients. The glucosamine itself-

[54:59] Speaker 13: Okay.

[55:00] Speaker 9: ... is, is not good-

[55:01] Speaker 13: Is, is the best you can get. Glucosamine, uh, chondroitin, and MSM by Bonup Jarrow. It, it, it, it, it-

[55:07] Speaker 9: Right. I, I, I can't... All I know is I have always been able to take...

[55:11] Speaker 5: Okay, you have to read the ingredients, okay?

[55:13] Speaker 13: Yes, sir.

[55:14] Speaker 9: And then I have-

[55:14] Speaker 13: Third question and last. The washing the floor. If I have mostly columella, washing the floor, would it alternate neem with, uh, hypochlorous stuff? I don't even have-

[55:26] Speaker 5: You have, you have to definitely-

[55:28] Speaker 13: ... any experience?

[55:29] Speaker 5: ... you have to read chapt- you have to read chapter three. As Robin sta- states many, many times, you start with the basics then you advance. If it doesn't work with ammonia, then you jump to something else.

[55:37] Speaker 13: Uh-huh.

[55:37] Speaker 5: It's all explained in chapter three.

[55:40] Speaker 13: Okay. I don't read. I learn from people. It's a lifetime thing.

[55:44] Speaker 5: Well-

[55:45] Speaker 13: So, that's why I'm here on the phone learning.

[55:46] Speaker 5: ... this is about... This is, yeah, this is self-help. It's about reading, okay?

[55:51] Speaker 13: When we read, you tell us that the book needs more editing. (laughs) So it's a little bit frustrating, Richard.

[55:56] Speaker 9: Well, no. You need the foundation of reading it and, and trying things-

[56:00] Speaker 13: Yeah. Well, I understand that. Yeah.

[56:03] Speaker 9: ... that aren't-

[56:03] Speaker 13: Um-

[56:03] Speaker 9: You know-

[56:03] Speaker 13: But hy- a lot of people are using the hypochlorous acid, and I'm just wondering if it-

[56:07] Speaker 5: If it works... Yeah, if it works, it works. But for m- many people, hypochlorous acid isn't, uh, very effective. I've, I've addressed this last time, last week.

[56:17] Speaker 13: Okay. Okay. All right. Do we have another, uh, chance to share? Because I do have some things to share.

[56:22] Speaker 5: Let's see if someone else would like to share, and then we're gonna close this segment, and you can share in the next segment.

[56:28] Speaker 13: Okay, fantastic. Thank you.

[56:30] Speaker 5: All right. Any, anyone else who would like to share or ask a question? Your opportunity, please speak up. Any, any newbies?

[56:47] Speaker 7: I have a question about-

[56:49] Speaker 5: Yes.

[56:50] Speaker 7: ... what, what is the best thing to use to clean out a, um, I'll call it an air conditioning system. It's really a mini-split. I don't know if you know what a mini-split is.

[57:01] Speaker 5: Yes, I know what you mean. Uh, so it circulates inside the house and, uh-

[57:06] Speaker 7: Yeah.

[57:07] Speaker 5: ... that's, you know, ob- obviously, you, you clean out the filter. You take, take the cover off and clean the filter, and, and, uh, wash it with ammonia or something, or spray it with ammonia, and then turn the system on. And here you can use different things. Uh, you turn the system on, you can spray ammonia, uh, into the vent that, to circulate, but you don't wanna overdo it. You don't wanna kill the electronics in it. You just wanna give it a little, uh, touch of ammonia so that you can smell it coming out. Or you could try with Nature's Gift. If you're dealing with mites and not, uh, Morgellons, you could spray in the enzymes. That, that might help. But, uh, you know, just spray the intake of the device, uh, with some disinfectant until you can smell it. Or it, it's instantaneous. I mean, uh, the circulation is like within a second. It goes in and comes right back out.

[58:03] Speaker 5: So you're, you only gotta hit, hit it for maybe a half a second, uh, whatever you're spraying, and it, and it will be done.

[58:12] Speaker 7: Okay. Yeah. I think I'm, I think I'm dealing with fungal spores. Um, when it, when all this first started for me, I did have mites, but I ensymed heavily. I was... Me and enzymes were as one, and I had enzymes everywhere. And I have... I feel like I've successfully, between the enzymes and the nitanpuram, um, I don't... I'm not experiencing mites anymore. But the fungal, the skin fungus, is in some ways worse, but I'm getting a lot of help, of course, from SSKI and Lufenuron. I am taking Finben. I, I still periodically take nitanpuram just as a proactive, but there is a white powdery substance all over my house.

[59:02] Speaker 7: And I noticed it a long time ago, and I thought it was just diatomaceous earth that I had spread back in 2023-

[59:10] Speaker 5: Well-

[59:10] Speaker 7: ... that wasn't cleaning up.

[59:12] Speaker 5: One... Yeah, one of the best things to get rid of, uh, any kind of mold like that is simply spraying ammonia on it. Uh, we have to close this segment right now.

[59:20] Speaker 7: Okay.

[59:20] Speaker 5: And, uh, we'll continue. Uh, so let's, uh, close this segment, and then, uh, we'll continue.