[00:00] Speaker 1: (instrumental music plays)

[02:01] Speaker 2: Aloha. Aloha to all the bright, beautiful beings joining us today, and aloha to all the beautiful, bright beings who always join us on the archives. Aloha, Beverly. Aloha. How are you? (laughs)

[02:18] Speaker 3: Greetings, aloha. I am doing wonderful today, and I'm so glad to be here with you and everyone. It's a beautiful day, and I'm ready for what the day brings.

[02:38] Speaker 2: (laughs) Well, every, every time I ask, you always say it's beautiful and wonderful. And, um, e- everything, I want to find out-

[02:47] Speaker 3: Because I'm in control of, I'm in control of it. When I say in control of it, life is what I make it. I decide.

[03:03] Speaker 2: That's right. That means exactly what you said, that you're not at the mercy of the day and what occurs. You're directing your day. You're-

[03:15] Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been there, done that. Yeah.

[03:18] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[03:18] Speaker 3: I, I lived like that at one time in my life. I lived like that, and I don't... I choose not to live like that anymore.

[03:27] Speaker 2: That's right.

[03:28] Speaker 3: Because y- you, you, you learn to... Sometimes you may have to turn base metal into gold. You know? If you... Something may come your way, but it's all the way you decide to look at it. You may have to pause and reflect. It may, like, hit you with a curveball, and you may have to pause and, and, and reflect on how you're gonna deal with it. But your life, your health, everything is so much better when you decide what it's gonna be like.

[04:26] Speaker 2: That's right.

[04:27] Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

[04:29] Speaker 2: Yeah. Um, (laughs) I, I, um, sometimes in, in the evening I'll say, "Oh, no, I'm gonna do this tomorrow." And I always say this, "I'm gonna do this tomorrow." And I never do anything I say I'm gonna do. I do other fun things, because I start to become very spontaneous when the new day begins.

[04:55] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[04:55] Speaker 2: When that grand rising begins, I, I get spontaneous and I start doing exactly what I wanna do in, in this moment in time. And to see what we, um, presently desire to see, um, w- we're creating our day, a vision that we presently desire to be. And so when we are living like that, would you say that we need to clear out things in order to do that? So, like, start with a blank canvas, you know? If, if I take a picture-

[05:33] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[05:33] Speaker 2: ... of, of, of right now, it could have lots of things on it, but if I really want to create what I want, would you say I need to remove lots of things out of the way that don't really serve me so that I can go ahead and create what I really want?

[05:55] Speaker 3: Exactly. Exactly. Because we...Joanne E. Richard: This, this, it's interesting that you say move things out of the way. Um, and then, uh, it's like so many beautiful things you said, like you said before that you're gonna have a fun day. Now, a lot of times when people think of a fun day, they may not mean I'm gonna clean my kitchen. That could be a fun day. I'm going to reorganize my closet. I'm gonna give my bathroom a good scrubbing.

[06:40] Speaker 2: Right.

[06:40] Speaker 3: That's a fun day. Because after, like I cleaned my, um, in my two bedrooms, I told you, I cleaned my mattresses, and after I cleaned them, let them dry, put the bedding back on. Oh my goodness. I felt... It was such a fun day.

[07:04] Speaker 2: Right.

[07:04] Speaker 3: You see? Because I choose my fun day is, you know, it doesn't have to be, it could be whatever I want it to be. Seeing my kitchen in good order, the floors clean. That could be a fun day.

[07:24] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[07:24] Speaker 3: It depends on how you look at life. I'm just grateful for health. I'm grate-... I'm so grateful. I was just calling my baby sister the other day, and I was reminding her of some things because she's becoming present to her health, and I reminded her, I'm like, "Don't forget about yourself today. Don't forget about your walking. Don't forget the things that you made a promise to yourself about. You made a promise to yourself that from that time that we talked that you were going to start caring and having more love for yourself." You see what I'm... So I, uh, it's such a wide variety of things to have fun with your day. And I remember when if I had to do dishes, I would be like, oh my God, I gotta do this, I gotta do that. Not anymore. Not anymore, because it's an old saying, you whistle while you work. That meant something. It's an old saying.

[08:56] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[08:56] Speaker 3: Some people might remember it.

[08:58] Speaker 2: I remember.

[09:00] Speaker 3: I whistle, whistle while you work because it's so beautiful.

[09:07] Speaker 2: Uh-huh.

[09:08] Speaker 3: W- when you sweep in front of your house, when you sweep and pick up the trash.

[09:12] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[09:13] Speaker 3: So beautiful because now that thing that looked like in chaos, now look at it. You see? So then when you sit back and admire your work, it's like, wow, that's so beautiful.

[09:35] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[09:35] Speaker 3: So what you're saying is what we were saying that we're clearing out things to make things, uh, we feel better when we have things in order. So we're clearing out things that aren't going, that we don't need anymore. We don't need clutter. We're clearing out-

[09:56] Speaker 2: Right.

[09:57] Speaker 3: ... things to be in the present vision, to have our present desires, and we create scenarios of our vision. Say we have a few large frame pictures, and say one of the picture is the present, and one of the pictures is your vision that you want to expand into, and another picture might be all the shifting that goes from the present to what you want to create, and that shifting picture in the middle looks like chaos 'cause everything is all over the place 'cause you have the first picture-

[10:36] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[10:36] Speaker 3: ... that's of now, and it's not really... I, I, I want something different. And then there's the, the I know what I want, there's that picture that I know what I want, and then there's all the shifting that goes on between the present and what we wanna shift into, and it's, it looks chaos. Like, so when we're cleaning up our house, we look at it and we're like, "Oh my gosh, I want something different." And then we start moving everything around, getting things outta the way, moving thing, get- re- getting rid of things to go to that next place, you know, everything is peaceful and beautiful. When I travel, I clean up completely before I leave. ...

[11:16] Speaker 3: I know, I know

[11:17] Speaker 2: ... or else stuff-

[11:18] Speaker 3: 'Cause I go in to water the plants, (laughs) and when you leave that house, it is totally in order. Uh, it doesn't even, uh... A person when they're, um, getting ready to travel, they may leave something here or there. No, no, no. (laughs) Everything is beautiful and in order.

[11:38] Speaker 2: It makes me feel good to do that. I can't-

[11:41] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[11:41] Speaker 2: ... I have to do that before I drive away, make everything perfect.

[11:46] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[11:46] Speaker 2: I gotta wipe that little smudge off the window. Something is still on the floor.

[11:52] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[11:52] Speaker 2: Um, something doesn't belong there, and, and-

[11:55] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[11:55] Speaker 2: ... so we, we get a chance to... That's how we expand because it makes us feel so good when we remove things that no longer serve us.

[12:09] Speaker 3: We, we, we ...

[12:09] Speaker 2: Exactly.

[12:09] Speaker 3: That's what we're doing. We're re- we're shifting into a place to where we can feel more peace, more relaxed, and we don't have any that, that clutter in the mind. It go ... The clutter in the home declutters the mind, and then you remove the clutter in the home, the clutter where ... the car, the clutter in the office, and then now you're, you're free. They ... There was a book years ago called Think and Grow Rich, and they interviewed all these CEOs in the 1920s, and they weren't really accomplishing a lot. Why? Because they had all these things on their mind of things that they wanted to accomplish and do, this to-do list that was endless.

[12:51] Speaker 3: And then what they suggested to them was, every night write down all the things that you want to accomplish, and it got it out of their mind-

[13:01] Speaker 2: Mmm.

[13:01] Speaker 3: ... so that they could sleep peacefully.

[13:03] Speaker 2: Mmm.

[13:03] Speaker 3: And then they had this to-do list and they got the things done, but it changed everything by getting everything out of the mind. And when we shift out of the present and what doesn't serve us, it's a little cluttery while we're doing it, but then when we get to that next level, that level now fathom another level, fathom ... A- apply experiencing a layer-

[13:31] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[13:31] Speaker 3: ... or layers of an experience. So you know what I did the other day? Because you might ... You'll understand this because you have this beautiful restaurant with all this beautiful food. I said to myself, "I wanna experience more of the layers of what there is to experience." So I would take one blueberry and put one blueberry in my mouth at a time, and I would eat that blueberry, chew that blueberry, taste that one blueberry completely until it was gone, until ... and, and then I w- I would wait until I completely finished, and I would ...

[14:07] Speaker 3: It had this whole experience being in the now of eating this-

[14:12] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[14:12] Speaker 3: ... one single blueberry as opposed to putting three or four or a handful-

[14:17] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[14:17] Speaker 3: ... in my mouth and chewing them fast and eating them, and doing that. It was complete ... I know it sounds kinda like, you know, like not a big deal, but it was. And so-

[14:28] Speaker 2: Mmm. Mmm.

[14:28] Speaker 3: ... we can slow things down, and we can expand our experiences to be more present and in the now, when we're not multitasking, we'd ... when we don't have anything in our mind, when we do things slowly, when we take one grape or, you know, one blueberry or, uh, one bite of, of an apple and just eat and savor the whole thing slowly until it's gone, it's a completely different experience.

[14:59] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[15:00] Speaker 3: Well, what you're talking about now is ... Wow. Okay. There's a lot of things involved-

[15:10] Speaker 2: Have you ever done that, just taken one bite and-

[15:12] Speaker 3: Yeah. Y- uh, well-

[15:13] Speaker 2: ... and not think through it? Just like it was the only thing to do in that, in that present now? (laughs)

[15:18] Speaker 3: Okay. Well, I've done that with different things-

[15:25] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[15:26] Speaker 3: ... yeah, in, in my life. And what you were saying about the, um, one blueberry or some people learn to eat just ... If they just say that they're gonna eat a, a, a cookie, they might just eat one or two, and that's it. And they enjoy whatever it is they're eating in that moment. And, like, you eating that one blueberry and enjoying that one blueberry is ... It's, it's being present, but it's also a discipline. So you're, you're talking about a lot of different things that go into that, you see.

[16:20] Speaker 3: Um, it's like-

[16:23] Speaker 2: And there's no timelines-

[16:23] Speaker 3: When you're in the calm.

[16:24] Speaker 2: ... when we do that. There's no timeline.

[16:27] Speaker 3: I'm sorry?

[16:28] Speaker 2: I said there's no timelines when you stay in the present now and savor your experiences.

[16:34] Speaker 3: Or there is no time. Okay. So, so that, that helps with whatever you're doing. When you stay in the present, everything becomes more, like, illuminated. It becomes more, like, personal, more, um ... When you learn that ... That's a practice, so whatever you do, if you do it in the present, it becomes special, beautiful. That could be talking to a friend and being in that moment and just listening, just being present to what's being said, not looking to respond, just listening, taking it, you know, taking it in. But when you take things in, in the present, it's different than your mind being all over the place, and you thinking about this and that or what you're gonna say next or ... You see what I'm saying? It's like everything is ... When you're driving. I- I'll use an example. When you're driving and you're present, it's a much more enjoyable ride, because you're not trying to be first, not trying to get to the next light....

[18:15] Speaker 3: you're just more calm and you let things happen, you know. You're, you're, you're in a different state, so the drive, you, you don't ... You wouldn't even need a radio. It, it's just like ... Or music sometimes. You're just enjoying the present moment.

[18:43] Speaker 2: It's like experiencing-

[18:44] Speaker 3: There's no static.

[18:45] Speaker 2: ... this layer.

[18:45] Speaker 3: There's no noise. There's ... You're just like ... Because really there is no time, there's only now because there is no past because it's gone, and the future, you don't know about because your next breath isn't even promised to you. You know? It's no promise, so all you have to, to make things beautiful is right now. So when you think about that, you're gonna be less prone to have chaos, less prone to have disagreements when they're not necessary, because you just don't know what's gonna happen.

[19:43] Speaker 2: It's like we're ... It's like we're expanding ourselves the be- ... What's a great way to expand ourselves? 'Cause that's what we, light beings, do. We expand ourselves and we expand all the present nows, and it's, it's, it's, uh, different when you are experiencing the experience-

[20:07] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[20:08] Speaker 2: ... of what ... One step at a time. You're-

[20:13] Speaker 3: Right.

[20:13] Speaker 2: ... expanding and it lasts longer, so the experience lasts longer. You observe more out of the experience. So if I wanna sit here and stare at the tree, I can see the tree, I can see the leaves, the wind is blowing, I see the birds there, I see all the leaves, I see all the different leaves, I see the birds and mount- ... Then I can hear the birds. Now I can hear the birds, so then now I can hear the wind. So when we're in our present instead of moving to what's next all the time, we are applying experiencing a layer, and we're experiencing layers of the experience. So we explore and then we experience the expanding layers of an experience.

[21:07] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[21:09] Speaker 3: (laughs) Wow.

[21:09] Speaker 2: And it can last as long as you want to stay in it. Like you can ... See, so that's how, you know, when we talk about expanding our light, expanding our being, expanding and, and ascending into more of, of, of us, it does it when you just stay still and see what happens next being still and present. And, and you just stay there.

[21:34] Speaker 3: Mm.

[21:35] Speaker 2: And then you can-

[21:36] Speaker 3: You know-

[21:36] Speaker 2: ... then you add more.

[21:38] Speaker 3: S- it's, it's really interesting. I learned, like, so much just by this restaurant, being, you know, the owner and, um, it, it's, it's been such an experience because I've learned how to deal with the people who help make this happen, the souls that have been, you know, that have gravitated towards me, and we work together to make this happen. So I remember first when I first started how I would be more anal, if that's the word, about ... It's like, um, how can I say it? Uh. It's, it's a way to do everything, everything, and in my evolution, I've learned that I ... It's a way to manipulate the energy so that the job gets done but everybody feels good about it. Whether you have to correct or ... There's a way to do everything, and there's different scenarios that you may have to use, but when you're present, you'll know what that is and how to handle that situation. So what that creates is like a family, like a, uh, like ... You don't even think of it as people that work for you.

[24:02] Speaker 3: You think of it as an alliance. It's like everybody want- ... Is working for the common good of the restaurant, you see?

[24:14] Speaker 2: Right.

[24:15] Speaker 3: And I love being in this space because-... I get it, you see. When I was working for someone else, I didn't really get it, understanding what... how people have to do things. And, um, but now I get it and I do it my way, you see, and it, it turns out so beautiful because that's my intention. That's my, that's what I'm going in thinking like that. I'm going in seeing it that way, and sometimes there's a little curveball or whatever, but I can handle that. I can, I can deal with that. Let's, let's just look at this. Let's... what, went wrong? What do we have to do? What do we have to do? But that's because more learning to be just, just cal- just be patient, just let's look at it, because getting all outside of yourself and all flustered and all of this, that, and the third, that's not going to help anything.

[25:50] Speaker 2: It's a lower frequency. (laughs)

[25:53] Speaker 3: Oh, it's a lower frequency, and I have been there. I, when I was married, I remember going through different stages of that union, and I remember my growth in that union. I remember, um, being young, having disagreements, me going back and forth, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then I started seeing that that's not working. That's not what I want, and I remember coming out of that. It's, like, been different stages, and I look at myself in all of those stages, and it's, like, it's so beautiful when you see yourself, and you don't judge yourself, and you begin to grow. Now, my growth came in me changing so many things in my life, and as you know, the one big change came for me is when I started caring about how I eat.

[27:21] Speaker 2: Yes.

[27:23] Speaker 3: Now, everybody is different. Different people come through their realization of things in different ways. I came in realizing that basically what I was eating was processed and garbage, you see. So then when I started investigating those things, I started understanding why things were going a certain way for me, the reason why I was still certain ways, the reason why I'm feeling bad at this time of the month, or I'm feeling melancholy, this and... you know? But I thought all those things were normal. You just... people just told me this way.

[28:17] Speaker 2: It's a trick. It's a trick and a trap. They trick you into thinking (laughs) it's normal.

[28:20] Speaker 3: Exactly, because I think everybody... doesn't everybody feel these ways? Don't you feel like crap? Don't you feel like, you know, this... no. But I learned that that is an illusion. If that's what you choose, you can choose that.

[28:41] Speaker 2: But people adopt it.

[28:41] Speaker 3: See, the thing ab-... uh, well, see, b- most of the time you're indoctrinated, so most of the ways that you feel are not even of your own volition. You should feel these ways because this is what you were brought into. They're not really the way you wanna feel or the way you wanna be, but you've been indoctrinated into these things so you don't even really know yourself, you see? You know? You may be just an extension of your mother or an extension of your father. You may react the same way. You may, you may do the same things, and... but once you realize that I never even... I don't know that much about myself.

[29:38] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[29:39] Speaker 3: I don't even really know nothing about myself.

[29:43] Speaker 2: Right.

[29:44] Speaker 3: And once you start realizing, like, say you say, "Oh, I just get upset easily. I, I, I just, I just get, just feel like arguing. I get, uh..." but when, once you calm down and be more present, you may find that you're not really like that at all. You're not really like that. But that's the journey into oneself, the journey into finding that even though you were born in this situation, your path may be different from your sister's, from your mother's, or from your cousin's or whomever.... and that's what I found in my situation. My path was different, and I'm so grateful that I took the path that I did. It improved my health, it improved my attitude, it improved how I saw the world, okay? Because I could see things in the world and I'd be like, "Oh my God, look at this, look at that, look at this, look at that." But at the end of the day, everything is as it should be. You can say what if.

[31:13] Speaker 3: "What if they didn't do this?" Or, "What if they, they didn't start this, or they didn't st-..." What if? No, no, no, no. Let's deal with what is, you see? And then if you wanna be a part of helping to heal the world, then find out what that can be. But being sour about it or complaining about it, what is, and saying, "What if they didn't do this? And if they didn't do..." But they did. They did do this and they did do that, so now what? But that's one of the things that I had to come to terms with. Everything is as it should be, you see? When I lost my granddaughter and people could say, "That wasn't supposed to happen. She was too young." Uh, you ... How, how you gonna say what's not supposed to happen? How are you gonna know how long that soul was supposed to be on this earth? That's not your business. And if you stay present long enough, you'll, you'll come to that epiphany that that's not your business, even though it's unpleasant for you, but it helps you to accept what is.

[32:49] Speaker 3: Not what you want it to be, not what you wish, that, "Oh, I didn't see her get married," or, "I didn't see..." You wasn't supposed to. You don't know that soul's journey, of my granddaughter, uh, so whatever time that you have their soul in your life once you look at it, there will be... If you lose that soul, of course, there's gonna be some sorrow, but when you look at it, you'll be better able to accept it. And, and, and innerstand that that soul had a journey before they even came to you. So, what you gonna do now? What you gonna do? Are you gonna continue mourning or, or are you gonna celebrate? "Wow, what did I learn from this child?" Or, "What did I learn from this person? What did they give to me and what was I able to give to them?" So everything looks different, you see? And I didn't always think like that, but once I got it, my mourning is a little different because through the tears I can accept and see, you see? So it's not about that you don't feel the loss.

[34:49] Speaker 3: It's about innerstanding that cycle of life, you see? (laughs) Innerstanding that cy- it's a cycle and everybody's cycle is different. And you were born by yourself, you're gonna die by yourself. It's like d- my granddaughter, that was different. Her, her, her journey, I was a part of her journey, but her journey is still her own. So can I say that that shouldn't have happened? C- can I say truthfully, I mean, I can get into my emotions and, and talk with emotion and say what shouldn't ha- I can b- like, I'm gonna say, "This shouldn't have happened, that shouldn't have happened. That person shouldn't have did this. That shouldn't have happened." But see, you gotta understand, everything in this universe is mathematical. The su- the ... Everything is in order. When the sun rises, it's in order. Everything is orderly and then you may not like it. When there're certain type of situations, there may be a, a, a, a, a cyclone or a hurricane.

[36:12] Speaker 3: You may not like the fact that it's a hurricane, but there are certain things that happen in the atmosphere that occurred that made that happen. You can't do nothing about it, you see? You could say that shit, "Oh, why did that happen?" You don't know.... maybe sciences could give you s- a little bit of insight, but the ba- but the fact of the matter is it just happens and everything is as it should be, and everybody is where they should be at all times. Hard pill to swallow for some people. I know it was for me at one time, but not anymore. And that doesn't have anything to do with it still can hurt, what ha- what the outcome of something is, it can still hurt. Right. The fact remains, it remains, it is what it is. That's- that's how it is. Can you accept? Or are you gonna fight? Or are you gonna be angry? Angry with nature, angry with everybody, anger with e- e- whatever you wanna be angry about... you see?

[37:54] Speaker 3: Because when my granddaughter died, it was a car accident and people were saying, "Well, what, well, well, you mad? What are you gonna do?" I didn't even think about it. I learned what the circumstances were. But, okay, now, w- what do you want me to do? You want me to hate the man? What do you want me to do? 'Cause I don't. That's something he gotta deal with. Or not. However he thinks. I don't know. But it is what it is because there are no mistakes. The timing was what the timing was, how they inter- inter- how they came, how that happened, that- that- that was math. Everything in the universe is math. You know? That's how it is. So, when you walk out your door, (laughs) and that person that you pass on the street, that's math. That's what it is. Because you left your destination at a certain time, and wherever they were, they left at a certain time and space in the present. And then, you intersect, you- you come across each other.

[39:35] Speaker 3: Sometimes it's just a passing in the night or in the day. Sometimes you make a relationship. Sometimes you see someone you haven't seen for years... It's just, everything is as it should be. And it's beautiful and it's bittersweet, because some things are gonna be to your liking and some things are not. But that's life... You know? (laughs) That's the bittersweet part about life. You see? Everything not gonna be what you want it to be. It just is. And that eases their -ism, is the now, is the present, is that is. Not was, and not gonna be, is. So we can talk about this, that, and the other, but let's talk about what is. Then we can ponder, you know, we can ponder and think about the future. Okay? And we can do that because we believe there's gonna be a future and we do plan. However, you still know that all you got is right now.

[41:15] Speaker 3: (laughs) So in the scheme of things, you know, that's why I- I- the- the way, what happened with my granddaughter, it taught me a lot because how you leave people, you have to know that you don't know if you're gonna see that person again. Now, it's- it's okay however you feel to act... but it's a certain way that I want to leave things. And I wasn't always like that because I didn't care if this, if this one... you know? But if I have a part in it... I want it to be the best outcome, wanna put my best foot forward. And if I don't, I have to correct it.... you know? So I'm, I've learned a lot being married. I've learned a lot from this business. I've learned a lot about myself.

[43:02] Speaker 4: Right.

[43:03] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[43:06] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[43:06] Speaker 3: And I don't judge myself. I see things that I've done, but I also know where I was at, like, just oblivious to certain things.

[43:20] Speaker 4: Right.

[43:20] Speaker 3: 'Cause you don't know what you don't know. You don't know that you don't know. You think you know that you don't know, but until you cross another threshold and you look back, you're like, "Wow."

[43:34] Speaker 4: Right.

[43:34] Speaker 3: You know? Yeah.

[43:40] Speaker 4: Well, I- I totally agree with you. I mean, um, you know, I've, I've traveled the world, and, you know, everyone's story is very similar to yours in terms of, in terms of, um, you know, finding themselves and, and moving forward. But I think, you know, for someone like you, with, with your background and your education and your experience, um, you know, having seen, you know, seeing some of the things that you have seen and experienced, um, you know, I- I can't imagine, like, how you manage to stay grounded during those times.

[43:47] Speaker 3: So, I've learned that life is beautiful with all its ups and downs, but I have more, more, mm, I don't know what word to use, ammunition in my arsenal to deal with the day-to-day of, of this existence.

[44:15] Speaker 4: That's right.

[44:15] Speaker 3: You see? So I can have my low moments of looking and, "Wow, this is happening. That's happening."

[44:28] Speaker 4: Right.

[44:28] Speaker 3: But I know everything is as it should be.

[44:33] Speaker 4: Right.

[44:35] Speaker 3: So there's no need to be in a funk about, really about anything, when you really look at it. You can be, but you're wasting your time.

[44:48] Speaker 4: Right.

[44:49] Speaker 3: You're compromising your health. And if you're okay with that, that's fine. I'm not okay with that, because I learned how the organs inside the body are affected by a state of dis-ease, a state of being out of sorts, uh, uh, you see? It affects the body and the mind, you see? Because I have seen in certain situations where I would think something, okay, get a thought, run with the thought, and then I'm all wrong. I, I was wrong with the thought. Instead of, but see, at that time, not inner-standing about thoughts, I just had the thought and then I run with the thought, and then the thought takes on a life of its own, and you're coming up with something that is not even right.

[45:56] Speaker 4: Right, right.

[45:57] Speaker 3: It's just all in your head, don't even know what, what you're talking about, but you thinking and have these thoughts, and then those thoughts just run and run amok. I don't wanna do that.

[46:16] Speaker 4: No, that's-

[46:17] Speaker 3: It's not fun.

[46:17] Speaker 4: No, definitely not.

[46:20] Speaker 3: Mm-mm.

[46:22] Speaker 4: Definitely not.

[46:24] Speaker 3: So, wow.

[46:26] Speaker 4: You know, I-

[46:30] Speaker 3: Like, I went out foraging a little bit last week for herbs, because everything is just coming up sprouting. I'm like, "Okay, what's up right now? What's coming up? What's, what's, what's growing to help heal the world?" See, because that's what these things are for. And even in pharmaceuticals, they use herbs, even if it's the background of their medicine and, and drugs.

[47:12] Speaker 4: Right, right.

[47:12] Speaker 3: It's like, what does she have to offer us? What should we do with these gifts?

[47:23] Speaker 4: Right, right.

[47:24] Speaker 3: That are just like us, they just arrive, so I'm looking at what just arrived on its own with nobody planting it, nobody watering it. It just appears. Wow. But then you find out, what is that?

[47:49] Speaker 4: Right.

[47:50] Speaker 3: You know, what is that? What is this? And then, it's a whole new world. This is a whole new world. It's like, oh my God, where have I been all my life? I didn't know anything about this. However, am I ecstatic (laughs) about the fact that I know about it now before I left this lifetime without knowing. So, it was time for me to know these things.

[48:26] Speaker 4: Well, thank you for sharing that.

[48:26] Speaker 3: You're welcome. And I'm having a ball, just learning how I'm a part of this Earth and how it's been designed to give us what we need.... it blows my mind, because it's so simple but it's so profound. It just... Oh, my goodness. Just talking about it, I get high on it, because how? It's like, it's all, it's all a design. It was designed by nature. She designed it. So she designed it because she already knew the plight. It doesn't matter, you see? It's, it's all been done for you. It's all been done for us. You just gotta seek and find. You gotta seek and find. Well, I'm just coming into the energy of seeking all the time. I never was thinking about any of that, but now I do. That's why you can't judge yourself if you don't know things. You just don't know if you wanna learn, maybe you don't. It's okay. They got something for everybody. This planet has something for everybody. Yeah.

[50:15] Speaker 3: Because it had something for me when I was eating six glazed donuts and chasing it with a Mountain Dew, that, those six glazed donuts were there for me. (laughs) They were there for me and I ate them and I enjoyed every drop. I did pay for it, though, later on. But at that time, that was there for me. Yeah. All of what I was doing, so that's why I don't judge anybody or anything, because everybody is where they are and they do what they do until they see to do different or they're fine on what they're doing. They're not like what I... People like what they do. Yeah. Life is beautiful. Bittersweet, though. Yeah.

[51:27] Speaker 3: So-

[51:28] Speaker 2: Yeah. (laughs)

[51:30] Speaker 3: I, I, I-

[51:31] Speaker 2: That is great.

[51:31] Speaker 3: ... would so want... Aloha, give out-

[51:35] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[51:35] Speaker 3: ... her phone number. Maybe somebody'll call. Give out the phone number.

[51:39] Speaker 2: Oh, the phone number? Yeah.

[51:41] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[51:42] Speaker 2: Let's see. Wait, hold on just one second.

[51:44] Speaker 3: Do you have it? I usually have it right here with me, but I don't.

[51:50] Speaker 2: Yeah. I, I don't know where it is.

[51:52] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[51:53] Speaker 2: Um, but, um, but you can call in-

[51:55] Speaker 3: I want it.

[51:55] Speaker 2: ... at 323... If anyone wants to call in, go ahead and call in, 323-744-4831 or 888-627-6008. And, you know, it's... (laughs) When I was listening to you, I, I was feeling like I... One day when we were planning on going foraging at, at early, early, uh, one day, I was so excited. I, I was so excited and I just came over to where you are. I just... I was so happy an- and that's when, um, the young lady who was in a... Who was living in Africa, maybe she's a young teenager, 13 maybe, and she said, "Daddy, she's exuberant." I was so exuberant. I felt so much exuberance, 'cause I knew we were going out foraging. And it's so much fun, because, number one, it's in the middle of the weekday while everyone is somewhere else, and Pennsylvania has the most beautiful woods. Uh, it is green, green, green. It rains. Everything is growing. You don't have to water anything and everything is there.

[53:21] Speaker 2: Things, if you don't know, you just think that it was just a lot of mess that's growing everywhere, um, for people who, you know, might not know, it's not a mess. It is, oh my gosh, you know, I learned to forage with you, and we had so much fun out there in the middle of these woods and re- knowing what everything is.

[53:48] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[53:48] Speaker 2: We, we're discovering what things are. We, we bring our bags and we collect things with us, and we u- use them in foods that we eat, in things that you make to heal us. It is the most fun going out foraging in the woods.

[54:04] Speaker 3: Now just think about that. Just think about when you're going out and then... All right. Now, I was, like you said, I used to think it was all in my way, all of these things growing on my lawn or all this, this, these weeds. And I didn't have a clue, okay? Of what was being thrown at my feet, just there for me. And it's so interesting when you...... finally see the beauty and the abundance that has been afforded, um, humanity. Um, it's like you just- you just- are- are just grateful because you just looked at all of these trees and all of these- these things growing as having really not that much significance. Some people look at it like, "Oh, well, they help the air and, um, the trees and..." But they're like we are, okay? Nobody knows where we come from. The only thing science knows is that, I'm gonna talk about it on the elementary level, that you have a egg and you have sperm. When these get together, if- if the, um, if the sperm fertilizes the egg, then a human starts growing.

[56:14] Speaker 3: Now, that's a phenomenon. That in itself is a- is- is- is like, wow. So inside of you, inside of a woman is this- this- this embryo just starts growing. I mean, just, like, nobody has helped it do this. This has nothing to do with any human being other than those two, with that egg and that sperm. Once that's done, nature kicks in. Nobody else has to do anything. She just has to be relatively healthy, and even then, she's given her pass. And it- and- and something just starts happening, and the stomach and the belly just starts growing. And nobody did anything. It- it- it's growing on its own. It has its own environment inside of her, how to breathe, how to live, how to do all of that. It's absolutely, you can't even put a word on it. And then, after a specified amount of time, it just... This- this- this- this new being just comes right through that birth canal, just like... And if she's relatively healthy, she don't even need... It just comes right out of there- right out of there.

[57:48] Speaker 3: It's the same thing with the plants. The same thing happens. Nobody did anything. Nobody planted them. Nobody watered them. Nobody did anything. And then they just start jumping out the earth. They just jump up on their own. So that's why I see why in medicine a background of a lot of their drugs is with herbs, because they know, and that's why when you seek and find out about these things, they're just like you. They're just like you. They're a- a force of nature. And that's why when you ingest these things, it's- you feel at least more compatible with it because it's like you. But you have to seek and then you learn this- about this world, the secret life of plants. It's only a secret because we're not really taught about it unless you- you- you on a mission or you're in some type of, um, place where you just wanna learn about this. Other than that, it's a secret, because you think a lot of these things are just a thorn in your side. Just like, "I don't wanna see this.

[59:34] Speaker 3: I don't wanna see that. I don't wanna see any of these things. They are nothing but weeds and they get on my nerves. Let me go buy some Roundup and get rid of them." (laughs) I know that 'cause I've done that. Yeah. I've wanted to get rid of them.

[01:00:02] Speaker 2: You know, what's interesting and- and- and- and just being, and- and canceling services of a gardener, even just people who just have to have their gardeners come, but what if you didn't? What if you stopped the gardener from coming, what would happen? You know- you know how we love purslane that grows? You know, the purslane that- that-

[01:00:26] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[01:00:27] Speaker 2: ... we see because the purslane also grows under the sidewalk. And so when there's blocks of sidewalk and there's the blocks are side by side on a walkway, that purslane, if you leave it alone, it- it comes, it grows under the- the slabs of the concrete sidewalk and it comes right out in between the, uh, sidewalk squares.... you know the purslane that we have?

[01:00:58] Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

[01:00:59] Speaker 2: That, th- a- and people just wanna take their weed whacker and just whack it, but-

[01:01:04] Speaker 3: Okay.

[01:01:05] Speaker 2: ... that's food. (laughs)

[01:01:07] Speaker 3: Oh. (laughs) . Right. However, you don't know what you don't know, right?

[01:01:11] Speaker 2: Right.

[01:01:11] Speaker 3: So, they take the weed whacker because they, then, they don't know. Now, as far as the gardeners, now the gardeners have their place, because if you have to, um ... You can't let forests grow up in the (laughs) neighborhood. You gotta, y- y- you don't want like s-... to grow up into forests, but there's certain things that you learn, and you can n- know how to handle that situation and still keep things under control. You know what I mean?

[01:01:56] Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm try-... I'm anxious to see what's in, in the backyard, because I would... I have a compost area in the back, and, um, when I leave sometimes, when I come back, there's all this stuff that has grown from the compost. So many, um, melon, squashes, pumpkins, um, casaba melons.

[01:02:17] Speaker 3: Well, I know, 'cause I got, I got some of them.

[01:02:20] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[01:02:21] Speaker 3: Your g-... your pumpkins? Mm-hmm.

[01:02:23] Speaker 2: I didn't do anything. (laughs) I, I just left and came back and there it was. (laughs)

[01:02:28] Speaker 3: Well, yeah.

[01:02:28] Speaker 2: Food.

[01:02:28] Speaker 3: Because when you composted those seeds, when you composted those, those, those squash, the seeds went in the ground. And you didn't know it, but that next season, you had all these, uh, squashes and, and, and, and pumpkins.

[01:02:49] Speaker 2: Yeah. And, and ca- casaba melons. 'Cause I said, "Well, I don't know what this is," and you said, "It's fruit," (laughs) and you juiced it. (laughs) It's so much fun. You know, you can just let nature, nature go. And just to be in nature, you know, w- that's the feeling of just being around all of it, you know, you can just stay there. Just, just, you know, walk and hike-

[01:03:16] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[01:03:17] Speaker 2: ... and pick, pick pawpaw fruit, and get some nettle, and, um, see the animals, hear them. You could watch the trees. Uh, I learned that when, uh, several trees are pointing in the same direction, maybe there could be three and they're all leaning towards each other, I learned that there's water under there. I learned that-

[01:03:40] Speaker 3: Wow.

[01:03:40] Speaker 2: ... wa- if- if I see the, the trees and they're pointing towards each other, could be three, and they're pointing at the tops to each other, leaning to each other, growing and leaning, that there's water down there.

[01:03:54] Speaker 3: Wow.

[01:03:55] Speaker 2: You know, I learned all kinda things from hanging out with you and your friends. (laughs)

[01:03:59] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

[01:04:02] Speaker 2: And the animals-

[01:04:02] Speaker 3: Well-

[01:04:03] Speaker 2: ... that are there, it's, it's, um... And, and, and, and we get a chance also, wha- what also I noticed that expanded the experiences is when we would ask permission to be there. So, we might come in and might say, uh, you know, "We wanna be here with you, and can we be here with you?" And I, I would ask the wind, and I'd ask the trees, I'd ask the tre- the grass, the streams, the animals, I'd say, "I'd like to be here with you. Thank you for letting me be here with you." Then I would have another experience because now everybody told each other, "She's here. She's, she's, she's just announced that she wants to be here with us." I remember doing that once, and it was early in the morning in California. I was hiking in the mountains, and I, I remembered to ask permission to be there. And I'm walking and, and some animals just jumped out, not right in front of me but ahead of me on the path. It may have been, um, it may have been some, like, little foxes.

[01:05:08] Speaker 2: Um, sometimes the deer would just prance out on the path. I... And then I remember looking down, and I saw a mountain lion down where there's a stream. Now, the mountain lion didn't see me, and I wasn't scared, but I was just watching, and I get to see all the animals really early, early, early, early, while it's cool and they're still out. And I had a completely different experience because I talked (train horn) to all of nature before-

[01:05:41] Speaker 3: (laughs) You saw a mountain lion? I would've been... Oh, my goodness.

[01:05:44] Speaker 2: Well, the mount-... I looked down on the trail, and below on the trail is a stream down below. We weren't on the same level. They were down below, but I saw it, and I was quiet, and I just watched. And it didn't see me, and I wasn't scared. And, eh- (laughs) and all, and, and that, and, and the earlier I would go and I would ask and talk to, talk to the, the mountains before I would enter, I would get to participate more in what was going on. I was a part of it.

[01:06:16] Speaker 2: I was a part-

[01:06:17] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[01:06:17] Speaker 2: ... of what was going on. But I was observing-

[01:06:21] Speaker 3: Wow.

[01:06:21] Speaker 2: ... and nothing was bothering me. And, and I had a completely, uh, expanded experience in doing that. And then I would... Sometimes I would just do my commands while I'm in nature. I would, I would command to be a part of everything. I would command to, to, to have everything around me fill my, fill me, and expand my life force energy, and, and expand my light. And I would do these commands in the middle of the mountains.

[01:06:52] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[01:06:54] Speaker 3: Mm. Wow.

[01:06:56] Speaker 2: You know, it's, um ... Sometimes I, (laughs) I call them, um, elevation exercises. (laughs) I started doing these elevation exercises, I started writing down some of the things that I would do to help expand my energy, and, um, yeah, it's, it's really fun, and ... And have you ever wondered, um, you know, why do we want for something? So I was wondering to myself, why do we want for something? Why do we want for things? Why do we want in this present now? Do we really need to want more? Is there really something we have to be thinking to do? Can we just slow it all down? Can we just put us on pause, put it all on pause? Can we just be? Can we just sit and be satisfied with sitting, being still, now and here, and just be? You know, that's what we get a chance to do.

[01:08:01] Speaker 3: Well, well, you, you have to ... Sitting and just being can be done in the constructs of being in it and not of it. You see what I'm saying?

[01:08:16] Speaker 2: Yes. Yes.

[01:08:16] Speaker 3: So, sitting and being in this dimension where they are, we are, you can still take part in certain activities, because they don't affect you the same way they used to, you understand. So-

[01:08:35] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[01:08:36] Speaker 3: ... if you want to, you know, be whatever, or if you wanna be a business person, if you wanna be a constru- who- uh, whatever it is in this dimension that you want to do, within that, you could still learn stillness. And it's gonna help you be even better at what you're doing, because you're gonna bring a different energy to it, you see?

[01:09:10] Speaker 2: We'll be on another level of, of, of the level. (laughs) We can expand more in our level. (laughs)

[01:09:17] Speaker 3: You're gonna expand because you're in it, because you are in it, but you're not of it, so that means you handle your business differently, that means you handle your interactions differently, because of the fact of your inner stillness. How you handle life is going to be different. I don't care if you're- who- what you're doing. I don't care if you're a singer, I don't care if you're a, a, a, in sports, I don't care if you, if you own property, I don't care if you are a nurse, I don't care if you are a trash man. I don't care what you are. When you bring stillness into it, within, there's gonna be a whole different ballgame. And you'll know it when you meet people like that, you see? You'll know it when you interact with people in business like that, people in the supermarket like that, people, uh, neighbors like that, because they have a different aura, a different energy.

[01:10:39] Speaker 3: They're in it, but they're not of it, so they're in this world, but they're not of this world, so they're living here, and they've decided to do it intentionally a certain way. And you're gonna meet all kinds of people, you see? In this dimension, because some people are deciding to do, you know, whatever they're doing.

[01:11:11] Speaker 2: Okay.

[01:11:12] Speaker 3: And, uh, uh, it, it, whatever that might be, wherever they are in their evolution. But the thing about it is-

[01:11:22] Speaker 2: Well, I-

[01:11:22] Speaker 3: Go ahead.

[01:11:24] Speaker 2: S- sometimes, I, I, it feels as though we know we are energetic beings. How do we be energetic beings more? How do we stay in that energy? And, and so, it's, it's, it's interesting, um, because sometimes I'll say, or I'll wonder, what's really being asked or suggested in the saying, "Wake up"? And are we dreaming that we're us? And how does one wake up when one is not awake? When one is dreaming that they are them, how do you wake up from dreaming that you're you if we're dreaming that we're us? And what occurs when we wake up? Do we, does it, does the, does the illusion, does the matrix, does the construct crack away? Does it go away? What happens if we actually wake up? Are we no longer in the construct?

[01:12:37] Speaker 2: You know, will something-

[01:12:40] Speaker 3: Well, I don't th-

[01:12:41] Speaker 2: ... just dissolve when, when one knows that, that they've been placed in a construct image, posing as an actual solid object human being? Can we command ourselves to wake up? I was wondering what can happen. What does waking up, in the pure sense of it, mean? And what if we're really dreaming that we're us?

[01:13:06] Speaker 3: Mm. Wow.

[01:13:09] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[01:13:09] Speaker 3: Well, wow. Okay. Well, your waking up is relative, first of all. And how much you, quote-unquote, "wake up" is only gonna be what you're capable of waking up to. So... That's, you know... When you feel like... that you're seeing things differently, there's... You have to be careful, because there's a lot more that you have to wake up to. Um, I'm sure you're not gonna get the full voltage of reality in one sitting. So, it's... The veil is lifted as you're able to deal with how much the veil is lifted. And that's why, from time to time, people get certain, um, epiphanies. They... Certain realizations. Um, but these things come when it's time, you see? So, when is that? Can you say I want, command that I need to come out of this stupor? First of all, you would have to feel that you're in a stupor. That's number one. That has to be the first realization. Do you even think that you're in something that you need to get out of? That's the first thing. Then, ask and it will be given.

[01:15:27] Speaker 3: Now, to the extent that you... things are revealed to you, that's only, who knows to what extent you get these epiphanies of, of being inside something, whereas before, you were just a part of what you were taught to be a part of. Everybody has their own way of looking at something, and what they feel reality is, you know?

[01:16:19] Speaker 2: Yes. Uh, I remember, um, asking you a few days ago. I said, um, I said, "We seek our natural high, not just to get high, but when we are in our natural high..." I noticed I was doing it because I wanted to be more creative. Being in that natural high, um, I, uh, it helped me to be more creative.

[01:16:47] Speaker 3: Uh-huh.

[01:16:47] Speaker 2: And so, where is everything we vision about? Is everything we vision to create created right then and there, right here and now when we are doing nothing in particular, out and about in nature amongst the trees, or, or perhaps gazing at so many stars sparkling all across the vast sky at night? Or maybe being with our sun as it becomes a soft, golden glow ever-so-early? Is it that everything and all that is, all our heart feels for, is right here in the sun when we see the sun just above the horizon, setting in all of its glowing glory seamlessly over into the sea? We can just walk over across the sand and over across the sparkling sea towards the sun over, over the sea. And when you see the sun begin to touch the sea, step right through it into the outer circle of the sun, and stay stepping until the sun, the portal closes into the sea.

[01:17:58] Speaker 2: And there we be, reflecting our creation light heart out into our world simultaneously as the creation light sun is reflecting in the shimmering, sparkling sea, creating the reflection of our heart into our light world, light reflecting our true light energy, the cells, our true light being. I, I've, I used to do that. I would just walk across the sand, walk across the sea, just as the sun was touching the, the, the water, and while there was that circle right above the water, I'd just walk right in. Are the things I'm creating in there?

[01:18:46] Speaker 2: (laughs I mean, when are the things that I'm creating created instantaneously? W- you know, it's... So, I felt like I just wanted to be high so that I... it w- uh, it expanded my creativity. And the things that I'm creating, where are they? When do they come into being(laughs)

[01:19:15] Speaker 3: Okay.

[01:19:15] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[01:19:15] Speaker 3: So...

[01:19:16] Speaker 2: That was just kind of fun.

[01:19:17] Speaker 3: So what...

[01:19:17] Speaker 2: And to be present in the nows and see your creations reflecting in your world, combine your confidence and your knowing. Go ahead.

[01:19:27] Speaker 3: No, I'm saying when you say your creations, what creations are you talking about?

[01:19:33] Speaker 2: Just, just a- any of it. I ... just any of it I might wanna create, just a- a- any... Well, sometimes I feel like I just wanna be, like, energetic beings are creators naturally, and we, we cre- you know, if I wasn't in a physical world, if I was in the energetic world, I would just be instantaneously creating anything that came to me. I, I, you know, I could just be creating anything. I could just be creating waterfalls. I could...

[01:20:06] Speaker 2: I might create-

[01:20:07] Speaker 3: Okay.

[01:20:07] Speaker 2: ... a planet with waterfalls everywhere. I could... My creation-

[01:20:10] Speaker 3: But you are in a, you are in a physical world.

[01:20:14] Speaker 2: I'm in a physical world, but, but it's not my... is that my natural place if I'm an energetic being. My natural... I, I, I, I was wondering if my natural environment and energetic environment, and in an energetic environment, things are instantaneous, and I am my complete energetic self in a energetic world when I'm here in this physical world, so now then there's these constructs that were created and these ways that we adopted, and now we're removing them, so that we can be energetic beings in this physical world again.

[01:20:48] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[01:20:48] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[01:20:49] Speaker 2: So that we can elevate and-

[01:20:51] Speaker 3: Well, in this physical world, in this physical world, you're in it and not of it. When you-

[01:20:57] Speaker 2: But, but, but, but that's what it is supposed to-

[01:20:58] Speaker 3: When you go into another dimension, and you just an energetic being making waterfalls or, or making whatever it is that you're creating. But in this dimension here, that's not what we're doing. And if you, in, in, in your next lifetime, if you become an energetic being that is just pure energy, then that's where you will be, but not right now. You're, you're in a, in this body.

[01:21:32] Speaker 2: Well, I tell you what.

[01:21:33] Speaker 3: You're in this body.

[01:21:33] Speaker 2: When I'm in this bodi- body, and I'm in All The Way Live. I have entered a portal that is unlike no other.

[01:21:40] Speaker 3: (laughs) .

[01:21:40] Speaker 2: So, you know, I, I, I'm an energetic being in a body, and I walk through the doors where it says All The Way Live, Raw Vegan Cafe, where you are now have entered a portal, a whole different world.

[01:21:52] Speaker 3: Well, that's because the energy has been created in All The Way Live. That's just like some people create a energy in their homes.

[01:22:04] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

[01:22:04] Speaker 3: And when you walk into that home, you feel something. Okay? Whatever that may be. It may be something that is very, like, wow. Or it could be something where you say, "Well, I don't really wanna stay here that long. I really li- would like to leave." So you're, you're all... We're always energetic beings having this physical experience.

[01:22:34] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[01:22:35] Speaker 3: The energy is always involved. Energy is always involved.

[01:22:39] Speaker 2: So if I go into a person's house who has a beautiful sun porch and there's plants all over that sun porch, the minute I walk through that door into that sun porch and there's all the, those plants, and all these beautiful, warm colors, I feel a certain way if I ring the doorbell.

[01:22:56] Speaker 3: Right.

[01:22:57] Speaker 2: Right?

[01:22:57] Speaker 3: Right. Right.

[01:22:59] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[01:22:59] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[01:23:00] Speaker 2: I wanna go in here.

[01:23:01] Speaker 3: They have created, they have created an energy in that space. So some, some... Okay. It's like when you're around certain souls, certain people, their aura, they are, have created their certain energy. So when you're around that person, you feel some type of way. It's like, because of their energy emanating. And you might find, I like being around this person. Okay? Now, there's always different energies emanating everywhere. There are dark energies where people are doing certain dark things, and they like that, and they like being around each other. You know? They might like hurting people or whatever. So, energy manifests in different ways, but you'll always know when you feel at home. You see? That's just like when I started eating a different way. In the beginning, I didn't like it so much, because I was used to a certain energy from food, a heaviness, a c- certain sweetness. You see? Um, a certain way it made me feel when I ate those glazed donuts. Okay?

[01:24:44] Speaker 3: It's the energy to those donuts that, at that time where I was, I liked that, you know? So, as time changed, not as time changed, as things changed within me, I no longer... I see those donuts differently for me-... you see? Now somebody else probably sees it exactly how I used to see it. But for me now, they have taken on a whole different meaning. They're not in my life, you see? I don't, I don't want that in my life. I, I don't need that in my life, nor do I want that in my life. Now, I see that I am the better for it, letting that go. So when you talked about the clutter, that was clutter in my life. There was things there that I had to get rid of, you see? I had to get rid of barbecue potato chips, because as much as I loved eating them, they wa- they, they were a clutter. They... I... They had... I had to get them out. And I don't, I don't know why that happened. I don't know what happened within me to even want to, like, look into that. I don't know. I don't know why.

[01:26:45] Speaker 3: Why did Beverly want to try something else? I don't know. I didn't know anything about it. It was my soul's journey to do this. That's why you can't impinge on other people's journeys. You can't say, "That's my boyfriend. That's my husband. I want them to do what I'm doing." That's... No, that's not your business. You can maybe mention it to them, but they may not be interested. It's like, "I don't wanna do that. I don't wanna eat like that. I like what I'm doing." So you don't get upset about it. You might think, "Well, oh, this would be better for them," but that's, that's your... uh, that's what you say, but it's, it's, it's for them to make their decision. I don't know why I made the decision I made, but I did. And this is, like, in, what, 1977. So, it's one of the best things that I ever did for myself. But if I look back and say, "Well, what made you do that?" I don't know. It's just certain things just is, you know? None of my other siblings wanted to do that.

[01:28:33] Speaker 3: No, no, they weren't interested, 'cause it doesn't have anything to do with it, whether they're your sibling. They're your siblings because in the scheme of things, you were supposed to be together as siblings, but you still have your own journey. You know? That might be your child, but you still have your own journey. You know? It doesn't matter if you're siblings, if you're your mother, your father, your husband, your boyfriend. You know? You have your own blueprint, your own karma, your own journey, and you live and let live. Sometimes people part ways because they grow in different directions. The energy takes them other places. At one time, they saw the same vision. They did the same things, liked the same things. That's why it... it's like you don't... you never... you don't know what's gonna happen. Some people have a karma that they just grow together. Some people together 50, 60 years, and they just grow together. That's not everybody.

[01:30:14] Speaker 2: Do you ever feel like you've met yourself in others sometimes, like there's more than one you? (laughs)

[01:30:23] Speaker 3: Oh, wow. Well, yeah. I've, I've, like... Yeah. Okay. The person-

[01:30:35] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[01:30:35] Speaker 3: ... I'm seeing now, I feel very... that it's like, it's like... I don't know if you'd call it a mirror. It's like I feel like I... not met exactly myself, but... It's hard to explain, but someone that, like... It's, it's, it's very... it's, it's a deep thing. It's, um... Mm, because it's not like somebody just like myself, but that has the same, like-... like, understanding about what is, like, instead of living in an illusion of what you want it to be, you see? 'Cause I found that's two different things. You can be... Have a friend, a mate, or whatever that you don't really deal with what is, you deal with, uh, something in your head or something you want it to be like. You want it, you want it to be this, you want it to be that. You've been raised that this is the way things are supposed to go. "This is how I want this person to be." Instead of what it is.

[01:32:18] Speaker 3: And I think a lot of times, if you deal with reality of what something is, a lot of time won't be wasted, because people think they can change people. People think that, you know, "I'll make these changes, and they'll like me." A lot of different things is, that people think in their head, and they make up things, and they make up thoughts. And th- then they run amok, instead of dealing with what is.

[01:33:04] Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell that what's interesting about you and the person you were speaking of is that person and you are so interested in, in each other's wha- what... Because you're so many, um, likenesses and similarities that you can expand each other, because you're actually interested in each other. (laughs) So you expand-

[01:33:26] Speaker 3: Well, yeah, but-

[01:33:27] Speaker 2: ... each other by the attention.

[01:33:30] Speaker 3: Uh-huh. Well-

[01:33:32] Speaker 2: But through the attention of...

[01:33:34] Speaker 3: Well, this is the first-

[01:33:35] Speaker 2: The attention of one another. (laughs)

[01:33:40] Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, this is the first time in my lifetime that I've actually been in a relationship that I... Well, that I feel connected, like, I feel a closeness, a camaraderie based on what is, you see? Not on a expectation. And, um, this is the first time, and I was married for a long time, but I got married young, and, um, I just see the differences of feeling loved without a expectation, you know? It's, it's very interesting to me, because I was used to trying to live up to expectations, because that's basically how it was. You just, you know, people expect certain things, and you deliver certain things. And even in, in, in this relationship, I may deliver certain things. And however, if I'm not... I don't, I don't have to, and it's not gonna make the love go any less, because I'm not going to... I'm not living up to anything right now, because I don't have to, I don't want to. So it's just more...

[01:35:49] Speaker 3: I have more in this relationship, I guess I have more of a freedom, and I'm dealing with a person who also deals with what is, living in the present, you see? And it-

[01:36:02] Speaker 2: It, it sounds like you're kinda saying that you're getting to be you, and the relationship isn't limiting you. It's... You get to both expand-

[01:36:15] Speaker 3: Well, yeah. It's not, I'm not limited.

[01:36:17] Speaker 2: ... and, and it's not limi- it's not li- there's no limit thing.

[01:36:19] Speaker 3: Right. Because it's not, um, I feel free, freedom, um, because I know that the love that he has for me is, is, is genuine, so it's not gonna... You know, you can't just break it, like, because you do this, or because that happens or whatever. It's because the communication is, is really beautiful. And, and that, that goes in all directions with, with intimacy, with, with disagreeing on something, but disagreeing in a way that is... (sighs) it's, it's, it's more like... I don't know. It's not... It doesn't turn into a, um-...

[01:37:21] Speaker 3: Like arguing-

[01:37:22] Speaker 2: Seems-

[01:37:22] Speaker 3: ... or anything like that. (laughs)

[01:37:23] Speaker 2: Seems like you get elevated to another level after it's all said and done. Like if you tell him about something-

[01:37:29] Speaker 3: No, I've already, I, I've already ... It's already been elevated to another level, you see? Because of the, uh, energies. It's just, um, very, um, compatible and, um, it's like we do things the same. We eat the same. Um, and i- it's just th- it's just, it's just something I'm experiencing that I've never experienced before. But I didn't even know rela- a relationship like this existed.

[01:38:09] Speaker 2: Right. (laughs)

[01:38:10] Speaker 3: I was married for 30, 30 years and-

[01:38:12] Speaker 2: Yes. (laughs)

[01:38:13] Speaker 3: ... I never knew, uh, that I could find this type of a friendship, relationship, 'cause it's full of play. It's full of... It is, it's all things wrapped up into one, um-

[01:38:33] Speaker 2: You know what?

[01:38:33] Speaker 3: ... a lot of playfulness. What?

[01:38:35] Speaker 2: You know what? One day when I was sitting in the restaurant opposite you two, you two were sitting next to each other, and there may have been somebody sitting next to me or a fifth person talking, and the two of you weren't speaking, you were listening. But I'm looking at you, you're sitting next to him, I'm looking at him, and I'm feeling like I'm looking at a queen, at a king. Like just, just physically-

[01:39:00] Speaker 3: Oh, wow.

[01:39:01] Speaker 2: ... 'cause you were so at peace. He was so calm.

[01:39:05] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[01:39:05] Speaker 2: You were so at pe-

[01:39:05] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[01:39:05] Speaker 2: Complete peace. Complete peace.

[01:39:07] Speaker 3: Well, he makes me feel peace. He makes me feel peace and he says I make him feel peace. So, even if there's something that I'm going through and we speak, it, it, we, i- it's all ... he makes me feel peace, you see?

[01:39:26] Speaker 2: I can see it.

[01:39:26] Speaker 3: We call it complete peace. And that's one of the things that I'm glad that I'm able to experience in this lifetime because I'm not gonna say anything negative about my 30-year marriage because I had two beautiful children that came out of it, and my ex-husband had his good points and everything. However, what I'm experiencing now is nothing like that. Nothing. Nothing. However, I must say that I don't work on myself and I, um, have met someone who has done, y- you know, work on his self, and we just see life, I see life differently than I used to.

[01:40:28] Speaker 3: Because-

[01:40:28] Speaker 2: It's like you guys see life as ... You guys live life as a ritual. More of like you're living-

[01:40:34] Speaker 3: I can prove like a ritual. It's a ritual. It, it ... See, because it's like this coming together of, um ... It's like even if you ... we're watching something, uh, usually he picks something, uh, uh, uh, something that he thinks would wanna watch and, and we're watching it. It's usually is maybe a little series or something. But when we watch it, it's like a ritual. It's so beautiful. We're watching it. Um, and every- everything is ritual. Everything is stay in the present. If I'm saying, "Oh, look, do you think it's gonna-" He says, "Love, stay right here. Don't think about what they're gonna do. Let's stay right here." And I'm like, "Okay. I'm not gonna think about that.

[01:41:26] Speaker 3: I'm gonna stay right here."

[01:41:29] Speaker 2: (laughs) He says, "You think it's gonna happen-

[01:41:30] Speaker 3: You guys have play dates.

[01:41:30] Speaker 2: You guys have play dates.

[01:41:32] Speaker 3: Let's, let's ... He says, "Let, let the story unfold."

[01:41:36] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[01:41:36] Speaker 3: And I'm like, "Okay."

[01:41:37] Speaker 2: When you're right, but it's true.

[01:41:39] Speaker 3: So-

[01:41:39] Speaker 2: That's true.

[01:41:39] Speaker 3: It's, it's, it's, it's, it's the same-

[01:41:42] Speaker 2: (laughs) .

[01:41:43] Speaker 3: ... with all aspects of it. It's like everything is, is, is different. But that's a whole nother, um, conversation, a whole nother show we might have. And maybe-

[01:41:58] Speaker 2: Good.

[01:41:58] Speaker 3: ... one day he'll c- he'll come on as well. Um ...

[01:42:00] Speaker 2: That's right. That's right. We talked about it. I, I wanna tell ... We have, um-

[01:42:05] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[01:42:05] Speaker 2: ... probably about, you know, 15, 16, 17 more minutes. I wanted to say a few things, and-

[01:42:13] Speaker 3: Okay.

[01:42:13] Speaker 2: Uh, may I, may I ... Okay, so, um, I ... You know, sometimes I, I just like to sit and, and write down so many things that come to me. It's when I'm, I'm getting my memories back, when I'm sitting and being creative, and, and I, I, I take notes on things that I'm remembering. But, um, you know, for the recent few days, um, we have been at a home that belongs to someone that I may have never met. Though in being there and living there for the past few days, perhaps this person is me.

[01:42:51] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[01:42:51] Speaker 2: You know, perhaps this person is me, and I have been living in my own home. It's just a feeling-

[01:42:59] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[01:42:59] Speaker 2: ... that may be so. (laughs)

[01:43:02] Speaker 3: You feel like you've been there before?

[01:43:05] Speaker 2: I feel like the home ref- uh, reflects a lot of me. And I respe- you know, some- we are ... I, I am in, um ... I may be in many other bodies, not just this one.

[01:43:20] Speaker 3: Uh-huh.

[01:43:20] Speaker 2: There may not be a lot of us.... here. And so if, if this per- if this person is another me, I was just wondering, it- it- it just, it's just so many things about the house were color, the colors, the, the, the fabrics, the, the arrangements, the, the artwork, the things that were there. I said, "What, what if this person that owns this house is me?"

[01:43:49] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[01:43:49] Speaker 2: That I've never met them, and I'm staying in my home, in one of my homes? Even though I've never been here before, physically, to this house, and it's just-

[01:44:01] Speaker 3: Okay, um-

[01:44:02] Speaker 2: ... it was just the way.

[01:44:03] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[01:44:04] Speaker 2: Um, you know, it, it just kinda felt that way for a few minutes. So-

[01:44:11] Speaker 3: Hmm. Wow.

[01:44:12] Speaker 2: ... you know, (laughs) so I wanted to also-

[01:44:14] Speaker 3: Anything, anything is possible.

[01:44:17] Speaker 2: Right. Right.

[01:44:20] Speaker 3: Because you can, you can be somewhere and say, "I've been here before. I, I, I, I remem- I've been here before. I remember something about this." Have you ever had that happen? Well, you're having it happen now.

[01:44:35] Speaker 2: Yeah. (laughs)

[01:44:37] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[01:44:37] Speaker 2: So, so the, so, so, you know, that, that happens sometimes. And, and so I wanted to also say, um, knowing new information, benefi- beneficial information about this place ... When I say about this place, I, I might mean here on this planet, and how this place is, how this place is set up, this planet, its origins, the light and the dark here, time, space, the origins of light beings, how other planets are, other places in the multiverse, other types of beings. So much about us, so much about so much that can be applied to ourselves to our real lives in real time for us.

[01:45:23] Speaker 2: And in the three years of, of, um, archives that we do have available to, to look back on, um, but I, I, I wonder a lot about the origins of this place and, and how this place is set up and how we-

[01:45:44] Speaker 3: Uh-huh.

[01:45:45] Speaker 2: ... as light beings, we interact here and, and it, and we c- we, we, we created it, but then it could've been commandeered from us, and now it's this. It was-

[01:45:57] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[01:45:58] Speaker 2: ... always meant to be a beautiful haven for us. It, it was.

[01:46:02] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

[01:46:03] Speaker 2: So in us knowing that we are energetic beings and, and doing, for me, what I call ex- uh, uh, these, um, expansion-elevating exercises. I'm doing these elevation exercises so that more of my energetic being is present and not my emotional being being so present.

[01:46:34] Speaker 3: Right. Uh-huh. So now ... Yeah, right. So that involves doing work. That's where the science comes in.

[01:46:45] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[01:46:45] Speaker 3: That's where the science comes in.

[01:46:47] Speaker 2: That's what I've done.

[01:46:47] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. (laughs)

[01:46:51] Speaker 2: Wow. So, so, so, you know, th- I'm applying different things throughout my day that I call elevation exercises. Even if it's just-

[01:47:04] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[01:47:04] Speaker 2: ... just putting, like I said, one piece of fruit in my mouth-

[01:47:09] Speaker 3: Uh-huh.

[01:47:10] Speaker 2: ... until it's all gone. I ... That, that experience-

[01:47:13] Speaker 3: Uh-huh.

[01:47:13] Speaker 2: ... just expands. And, and, and I just, and the interesting thing was I was asleep one day, and I heard some snoring. Now, the person that was in the room, um, laying over on the other side of the room, they were awake, so it wasn't them snoring. And I'm ... But there was a sliding glass door, and as I walked towards-

[01:47:35] Speaker 3: Uh-huh.

[01:47:35] Speaker 2: ... the sliding glass door, I realized the snoring was coming from outside. Now-

[01:47:41] Speaker 3: Mm.

[01:47:42] Speaker 2: There's, there's, there's nobody outside sleeping and snoring except what was outside, the birds in the trees. And I'm r- realizing that there's a bird snoring outside.

[01:47:57] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[01:47:58] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[01:47:58] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[01:47:58] Speaker 2: And there was. And I'm like, "I've never heard..." Be- because I was being so quiet. I was being so quiet. I'm like, "I've never heard a bur- a bird snore before."

[01:48:06] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[01:48:08] Speaker 2: You know what? There's a bird snoring out there. And that was so interesting to me. Have you ever heard-

[01:48:17] Speaker 3: Wow.

[01:48:17] Speaker 2: ... a bird snore before?

[01:48:19] Speaker 3: Never. I've heard them, um, making different noises because I pay attention to the different noises and their, their calls and how they chirp, but never snoring.

[01:48:32] Speaker 2: Uh, the bird was snoring out there in the tree. And I don't know-

[01:48:36] Speaker 3: Well, yeah. I bet, yeah.

[01:48:38] Speaker 2: So I'm having all these, um, all these experiences are available for us, and we're kinda just doing nothing.

[01:48:47] Speaker 3: Yeah, but you have to be pay- you have to be paying attention.

[01:48:51] Speaker 2: Yeah. I was paying attention to nothing.

[01:48:54] Speaker 3: Because sometimes the birds, birds, birds chirping, to some people, may just be noise.

[01:48:59] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[01:48:59] Speaker 3: They're not really listening. It's just noise.

[01:49:03] Speaker 2: Yep. Yep. And the birds, but-

[01:49:06] Speaker 3: And they may not even like the birds ... They might not even like it, you know?

[01:49:11] Speaker 2: (laughs) Yeah. So, so then-

[01:49:13] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[01:49:13] Speaker 2: ... when I'm listening to this bird snore, I'm wondering, "How is that so?" So I wonder, do, do birds create the sound of snoring early, early while it's dark, ever so quiet before the sun rises? And, and, and listening to the world while it's ever so peaceful is the sweetest time of the day.Would you say-

[01:49:33] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[01:49:33] Speaker 2: ... are you up ear- you're up early while it's still dark, before the sun rises.

[01:49:39] Speaker 3: Right.

[01:49:39] Speaker 2: And you're playing with the stillness, see? You do it.

[01:49:42] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[01:49:43] Speaker 2: It's fun. That's a fun part.

[01:49:44] Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a, a lot of fun, yeah.

[01:49:47] Speaker 2: And so when you get-

[01:49:48] Speaker 3: A lot of fun.

[01:49:49] Speaker 2: When you-

[01:49:49] Speaker 3: Because when you tap into that stillness and, and get into that, that, that nowness, it's a lotta, it's a lot of fun. It's a lot of beauty in that, a lot of beauty.

[01:50:03] Speaker 2: So these are what I call-

[01:50:05] Speaker 3: Elev-

[01:50:05] Speaker 2: ... elevation exercises. And the things that we can do to slow things down, and to be very present and see what happens next. Do nothing more. Do less more.

[01:50:19] Speaker 3: More.

[01:50:20] Speaker 2: And remove things that are in the way and see what happens, and then watch the different experiences. I could have a quick s- experience. I could blend up some fruit in a high-speed blender, put it, pour it in the cup real fast and drink a real cup, the cup real fast and walk out the door. Or I could just sit there on the patio with a bunch of blueberries and ... So, but anyway, (laughs) well, well, we've come towards, um, our finale. And do you have any, that, 10 seconds to say (laughs) anything that you wanna say before we, uh ...

[01:50:57] Speaker 3: I just wanna say, I'm sending my love to the world. Oh, wait, you actually have a few more minutes, Miss Maurdeba.

[01:51:04] Speaker 2: Yes.

[01:51:04] Speaker 3: Four more minutes.

[01:51:05] Speaker 2: Yes. You're sending your love to the world, and we receive it.

[01:51:09] Speaker 3: Yes, yes.

[01:51:09] Speaker 2: We receive it.

[01:51:09] Speaker 3: And I, and I, and I, and I ask, I always ask for a clean heart. I always ask. I just wanna be a force to help in the healing of this dimension. And it feels so good when I'm in that energy. Um, I'm grateful. I'm grateful that I learned about health and wellbeing, and how to quiet my mind and get out of this monkey mind, making up stories that aren't even true. I'm grateful.

[01:51:47] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[01:51:48] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[01:51:48] Speaker 2: That's right. That's right.

[01:51:51] Speaker 3: Uh huh.

[01:51:51] Speaker 2: And, uh, and I wanna (laughs) I wanna thank you, because, my, you have been such an addition to my life. Um, it's just all been so much fun. I, I can't wait to see you soon, which I look forward to.

[01:52:05] Speaker 3: I can't wait to see you.

[01:52:06] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[01:52:06] Speaker 3: And I'm so glad you're in my life. You have been-

[01:52:09] Speaker 2: Thank you.

[01:52:09] Speaker 3: ... such an addition. Wow.

[01:52:11] Speaker 2: Thank you.

[01:52:13] Speaker 3: Thank you.

[01:52:13] Speaker 2: I also wanna ... Yeah, thank you. You're welcome. And, and thank you for everything you do to help me while I'm away. And I also wanna thank you.

[01:52:21] Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.

[01:52:22] Speaker 2: Y- Thank you (laughs) for taking care of everything.

[01:52:26] Speaker 3: Oh my God. I love you.

[01:52:26] Speaker 2: But I'm gonna come back. I'm gonna come back. (laughs) And thank-

[01:52:30] Speaker 3: I know you're gonna come back. You're the wanderer. Come on.

[01:52:33] Speaker 2: I'm coming. I'm coming. (laughs)

[01:52:35] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[01:52:35] Speaker 2: And thank you, PBS Radio, for hosting the train, for hosting our contribution to the train every Saturday. Saturdays are truly special for all of us. And thank you for being here. Thank you for listening to the archives. Thank you for subscribing. Thank you for donating. Thank you that we are here. We thank you that we are here. Have a bright and brilliant day. I love you always. I love you always. Peace.

[01:53:13] Speaker 5: (instrumental music)