[00:00] Speaker 1: Good afternoon, Melbourne. Good afternoon, Australia. And good day or evening to all our international, uh, listeners as well. I'm Helen Taylor, and welcome to my show, Inspired Radio. I'm here with you every Monday, 4:00 PM Melbourne Australia time, and Sunday, 11:00 PM Central Time for the US and Canada, for conversations and stories to inspire you. This is the BBS Radio TV platform, and we're going live to over 190 outlets worldwide. Inspired Radio is all about change and getting uncomfortable and shaking up the status quo, because we're breaking free from limiting systems and embracing our infinite potential. My guests are here to tell their story, to reveal how they've overcome change and made better lives for themselves and others along the way. And to inspire you with their stories, because storytelling is creating a new world. So let me introduce today's guest. We've got Martin Ansell, a man who lived a pretty standard life until the COVID lockdowns changed everything.

[01:12] Speaker 1: After losing his job as a driving instructor, Martin began asking deeper questions and became a bit of a forced historian. He came highly recommended to me, and from what I've discovered so far, Martin is a deep thinker and a researcher at a time when we truly need people who are willing to look beneath the layers of the stories, distortions, and outright lies that are happening in the world out there so we can get closer to the truth about our language, our history, our laws, all sorts of things. But beyond intellect, Martin is also spiritually connected, and he speaks about conscious influence and personal experience, even describing moments of cloud busting through focused intention. Interesting co- topic, that one. There's much to learn about Martin, and we'll be discovering that together today. So thank you, Martin. Welcome.

[02:10] Speaker 2: Thank you, Helen. Pleased to be here.

[02:12] Speaker 1: Good, good. So let's start, right, with the story of COVID, because so many people out there can understand that time. Everybody was impacted in some way. So life up until that point was pretty, pretty happy for you. Yeah?

[02:30] Speaker 2: Yeah. Per- pretty simple. Yeah, just going out, teaching people to drive, um, you know, getting them through their tests in a week or so.

[02:37] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[02:37] Speaker 2: And then moving on to the next one. So, uh, you know, if I never nee- needed any time off, you know, I could easily make time off for myself. So yeah, it was pretty, you know-

[02:47] Speaker 1: So life was pretty - ... for want of a better word, fairly ideal. ... predictable

[02:49] Speaker 2: Mm?

[02:49] Speaker 1: Life was predictable, yeah?

[02:52] Speaker 2: Pretty good.

[02:53] Speaker 1: Excellent.

[02:53] Speaker 2: Yeah. And predictable.

[02:54] Speaker 1: Excellent. And I must say for everybody who's listening too, you're in the UK, yeah?

[02:59] Speaker 2: I am indeed.

[02:59] Speaker 1: Just so people know.

[03:00] Speaker 2: On Sussex, in England.

[03:01] Speaker 1: Sussex in England, yes. Thank you. Thank you. Because I'm here in Australia, um, but, you know, it's very interesting that no matter where we were in the world, we were having similar experiences. So tell me-

[03:13] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[03:13] Speaker 1: ... so at one point you were getting locked down, and what happened?

[03:19] Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, we could see it coming, and so the, the work kind of dropped off, and then as, as soon as it finished, I thought, really, "Well, who's got the right to stop me working?"

[03:29] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[03:29] Speaker 2: So that's when my kind of dive into law kind of started pretty well, you know, on the first day of lockdown, because pre- prior to that I'd, I'd been working, um, and so on.

[03:39] Speaker 1: So you had time on your hands.

[03:42] Speaker 2: Lots of it.

[03:43] Speaker 1: Right. Right. So tell me, so that was a real turning point for you. Why... So you started questioning why were they doing this, and how could they do this? So what did you start investigating?

[03:58] Speaker 2: I just started looking for information about statutes or law and, and so on, and who had the right to make the laws, and, and so on. So, uh, obviously it's like six years back now, so I can't remember exactly what or, or where, but yeah, I just got on the internet, started doing some research as, as many people did at that time.

[04:18] Speaker 1: Absolutely. So you weren't gonna take it at face value and just say, "Sure, lock me up. Lock me down, I should say." You were going to look at why.

[04:29] Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I, I didn't take any notice of any of the, the mask mandates that we had over here in the UK, um, you know, uh, which, you know, just, just were mad. So, um, yeah.

[04:42] Speaker 1: Well, why do you, why do you think that? I mean, you know, we need to talk about that too, right? Because, um, a lot of people conformed and, and did what they were asked. What did you think was going on in terms of why we had to wear masks?

[04:57] Speaker 2: Uh, well, uh, it was obviously some sort of mad government control thing. I mean, as, as I've mentioned to you, you know, previously, I haven't trusted the state or the church since I was a, a small child, so for various reasons. So, uh, you know, it's, uh, it... I suppose it just seemed mad to me, and as soon as you look at any of the, uh, the idea that a mask can keep out a virus-

[05:24] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[05:24] Speaker 2: ... if there are such things, of course-

[05:26] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[05:27] Speaker 2: ... um-

[05:28] Speaker 1: Yes.

[05:28] Speaker 2: ... then, uh, then, then, you know, you're into a completely, um, different world. And, uh, you know, worked-

[05:35] Speaker 1: Well, you and I both come from a generation where we grew up, we had chickenpox, we had the measles, um, you know, we had those sorts of things going on.

[05:43] Speaker 2: Yep.

[05:43] Speaker 1: And nobody had- nobody batted an eyelid.

[05:45] Speaker 2: No.

[05:45] Speaker 1: Um, everybody just, you know, either stayed home, um, drank chicken soup or water, um, had a temperature or whatever it was that was going on, everybody just managed it and got over it and moved on.

[05:59] Speaker 2: Yep.

[05:59] Speaker 1: It became a bit of a blimp in the radar, didn't it?

[06:03] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

[06:04] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[06:04] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. And then-

[06:06] Speaker 1: Where now, all of a sudden, it had this massive fear factor.

[06:11] Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, I, I think, you know, because there was all this idea of contagion and, uh, it being, you know, spread by sneezing or whatever or just breathing at people.

[06:21] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[06:21] Speaker 2: And, uh, um, you know, so, so pretty well early on I was also looking at information about, about that.

[06:30] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[06:30] Speaker 2: About, you know, how, how, how diseases spread.

[06:33] Speaker 1: Yep.

[06:33] Speaker 2: Um, and, you know, came, came across a lot of people, um, that, you know, who were giving information about that, but I didn't think I could do any research personally because either I'd ... I mean, there's a, a lot of people like Sabrina Wallace, for instance, who, uh, goes on about it, uh, in the States, about it all being electromagnetic and so on and, uh-

[06:58] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[06:58] Speaker 2: ... so on. Uh, a lot of that stuff.

[07:00] Speaker 1: There's a lot-

[07:00] Speaker 2: So, um-

[07:01] Speaker 1: There's a lot of rabbit holes. A lot of rabbit holes-

[07:03] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[07:03] Speaker 1: ... about viruses. Mm-hmm.

[07:06] Speaker 2: And... Yeah. So the, the only thing that I, I saw that I could really get a, a handle on, I suppose, was stuff that was written, like the law. I mean, you know, I couldn't... I don't have an electron microscope, so I can't, you know, do any tests on my (laughs) ... you know-

[07:20] Speaker 1: Ooh.

[07:20] Speaker 2: ... on my own sputum or something like that or, or whatever.

[07:24] Speaker 1: Yep.

[07:25] Speaker 2: And, uh, I probably don't have the mental capacity to, you know, to read and understand all the data, um, or, you know, or, or the inclination really, so the only thing left really was to look at the law.

[07:36] Speaker 1: Right. So tell me what you started to find out.

[07:42] Speaker 2: Well, what I, I found out was that there's no there there, so to speak. You know, you c- you keep on looking and, and looking to find out where this authority comes from.

[07:53] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[07:54] Speaker 2: And it appears as it, as it come... yeah, it's, it's kind of, uh, um, made, you know, like the, uh, like fiat currency.

[08:07] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[08:07] Speaker 2: You know, and facts. You know, the fact in law, I believe, comes from facio, which is to make, isn't it, in, uh, in, in Latin.

[08:16] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[08:17] Speaker 2: So, uh-

[08:18] Speaker 1: And who makes them?

[08:19] Speaker 2: You know, the-

[08:20] Speaker 1: Men do.

[08:20] Speaker 2: Well, just-

[08:21] Speaker 1: Men do.

[08:22] Speaker 2: Well, people. Who, who... Yes.

[08:25] Speaker 1: Yes. Yes.

[08:25] Speaker 2: Who knows?

[08:26] Speaker 1: Yes. Yes.

[08:26] Speaker 2: But they just appear somewhere.

[08:29] Speaker 1: It just appears somewhere.

[08:31] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

[08:31] Speaker 1: And it's, it's, it's difficult because over the last five or six years, I, I don't know about you, but I've listened to many, many people who have been trying to retrace what has happened, the layers and layers of our statutes and, and "law", I put that in-

[08:49] Speaker 2: Yep.

[08:49] Speaker 1: ... in double commas, um, it's, it's, it's a mammoth job.

[08:55] Speaker 2: I- it's never-ending.

[08:57] Speaker 1: Right.

[08:58] Speaker 2: You know, I, I know of people who have been looking... you know, who woke up obviously much earlier and have been looking for a way out for 20 years or more.

[09:07] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[09:08] Speaker 2: You know, and, and are highly skilled in the law, and they're still looking.

[09:16] Speaker 1: People just need to go and have a look back at the Roman kind of part of life, don't they? And the way that th- the books that have been written about Roman life and Roman authority-

[09:27] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[09:28] Speaker 1: ... um, when you start reading those things, you think, "Oh my gosh, is that still going on in this world?" Yeah?

[09:36] Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, yeah. And it goes back to the Greeks before them as- of course as well.

[09:40] Speaker 1: So you went back even further.

[09:43] Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, this is, this is quite recent because I wasn't getting anywhere, and, you know, I, I, uh... There are various people, like, uh, you spoke to Carl Washington.

[09:52] Speaker 1: Yes.

[09:52] Speaker 2: And so on, you know, and he, he spent some time in, in prison, didn't he? But he, he got out. They, they kind of kicked him out, and then there was somebody else, some Elizabeth Knudson, who was jailed in Greece and, uh... But she refused to give them a name. She refused to sign anything, and after 90 days, they threw her out. I mean, she was supposed to be in-

[10:11] Speaker 1: Well, we have to get, we have to get into the basis of that though, because you've just jumped forward now, and people-

[10:17] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[10:17] Speaker 1: ... don't know what you're talking about in terms of-

[10:19] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[10:20] Speaker 1: ... you just don't give them a name. So you-

[10:22] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[10:22] Speaker 1: ... started looking at law and realized it was-

[10:25] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[10:25] Speaker 1: ... a convoluted layer, layer, layer, layer sort of system that was very-

[10:29] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[10:29] Speaker 1: ... difficult to navigate.

[10:31] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[10:31] Speaker 1: But you started to find out about history, so getting into Roman history, like the... and Greek-

[10:37] Speaker 2: Yep.

[10:37] Speaker 1: ... history, so the establishment-

[10:39] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[10:39] Speaker 1: ... of our legal system. Would that be right?

[10:42] Speaker 2: Y- yeah. K- yeah. Yeah. Kind of. Yeah.

[10:45] Speaker 1: It-

[10:45] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Uh, you know-

[10:47] Speaker 1: And that-

[10:47] Speaker 2: ... I thought I'd go back as far as I could.

[10:49] Speaker 1: Right. Right. And that then led you into our names.

[10:55] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[10:55] Speaker 1: Finding out about our names. So what, what did you find out about our names?

[11:01] Speaker 2: Well, there, there was, there was an, uh, a guy called, um, or known as David Dasari on Facebook, and this is once again quite early on, and he was pointing out the difference between post and mail and, you know, how our, our names are written in, in different ways and then, because I-

[11:21] Speaker 1: For everybody out there, can I just say that post and mail, you're talking about letterboxes and our mail that we send and receive?

[11:29] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[11:30] Speaker 1: That sort of mail.

[11:30] Speaker 2: Yes. So-

[11:31] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[11:32] Speaker 2: So post and mail are two different things. I don't know if I, if I touched on that before.

[11:37] Speaker 1: Right.

[11:37] Speaker 2: So post ha- post has a, a letter, uh, has the address on the envelope and it has a separate stamp that you buy at a post office over here.

[11:45] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[11:46] Speaker 2: Yeah? Whereas mail just has a franking mark and the, uh, the address isn't kind of written on the outside. It appears to, to be visible through a window.

[11:58] Speaker 1: Okay. Those window box-

[12:00] Speaker 2: In the envelope.

[12:01] Speaker 1: ... envelopes. Yeah. Yeah.

[12:01] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[12:02] Speaker 1: So you started-

[12:03] Speaker 2: But what you-

[12:03] Speaker 1: ... to discover that there was something-

[12:05] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[12:06] Speaker 1: ... something up. So what's-

[12:08] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[12:08] Speaker 1: ... the difference between the two?

[12:11] Speaker 2: Well, basically, uh, if you ever get... S- so for instance, I've got here a, uh, a thing that came f- you know, came through to me, uh, s- uh, delivery. Basically, if you send anything by parcel post, generally, you go to the post office and they'll put a stamp on the outside of it. Or if you, you know, in the olden days, you, you send a postcard or a letter, and they'll put a stamp on it.

[12:34] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[12:34] Speaker 2: And you have, you have to pay for that stamp and that stamp basically, you know, means that the thing can change, go to a different jurisdiction.

[12:43] Speaker 1: Okay.

[12:43] Speaker 2: Which once again, is a, is a, is a, is a further rabbit hole kind of thing.

[12:47] Speaker 1: Sure.

[12:47] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[12:48] Speaker 1: Well, let's keep it simple. (laughs)

[12:50] Speaker 2: Whereas, um, if you've got, uh, let's, let's just, let's see, a, uh, um-

[12:56] Speaker 1: For those people out there...

[12:57] Speaker 2: ... who can't-

[12:57] Speaker 1: ... that are watching this on radio, they can't see what you're looking for.

[13:01] Speaker 2: Right.

[13:01] Speaker 1: But we're going to explain it to them.

[13:04] Speaker 2: Yeah, so we... Like here, we've got an, an envelope. Okay, that's not-

[13:07] Speaker 1: You're holding up a window-faced envelope. Yep.

[13:10] Speaker 2: Yeah. And you see here, we've got a name and address there.

[13:14] Speaker 1: Sure.

[13:14] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[13:15] Speaker 1: Your name and address.

[13:15] Speaker 2: But actually...

[13:16] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[13:17] Speaker 2: Well, it's, it's a name that... Yeah, looks like mine, yeah, but actually this is addressed... The address on the envelope is on the back here. What people would normally think of as the back.

[13:29] Speaker 1: So you've taken, you've turned it over and you're looking at the back-

[13:32] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[13:32] Speaker 1: ... where it says, "If undelivered, please return to..."

[13:35] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[13:35] Speaker 1: So that's printed on the outside of the envelope.

[13:40] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[13:40] Speaker 1: And you're saying that when it comes to the mail system, then-

[13:45] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[13:45] Speaker 1: ... the postage or the postee should follow what's on the outside of the envelope, not what's in the window.

[13:53] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

[13:54] Speaker 1: Right.

[13:55] Speaker 2: Okay, if, if, if, if you think about it, um, above where it's got the name and address here, visible in the window...

[14:01] Speaker 1: Yep.

[14:02] Speaker 2: There's a bit of the envelope that, um, hidden, that you can't see there. Yeah, if this, this document inside the envelope...

[14:08] Speaker 1: Sure.

[14:08] Speaker 2: You can't see all of it.

[14:10] Speaker 1: Yep.

[14:10] Speaker 2: So it's possible that it said, it could say up here, "On no account must this ever be delivered to this address."

[14:18] Speaker 1: Right.

[14:18] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[14:19] Speaker 1: Right.

[14:20] Speaker 2: So basically, the, uh, the, the, the postmen are the world over, are not taught how to deliver post because it's so, uh, damn obvious. So yeah, so this is one of the-

[14:33] Speaker 1: So your claim... So hang on, I don't get that. I don't get it. So if you get an envelope that's a window face, and all you can see is the name and address on it...

[14:42] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[14:42] Speaker 1: Because it's not disclosing anything else that's inside that...

[14:47] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[14:47] Speaker 1: ... you're not to open it.

[14:50] Speaker 2: Um, well, I, I... Basically, it's, it's... The, the name and address you see on there is actually the... Is, is the description of a trust.

[15:00] Speaker 1: So let's go back a step to that.

[15:01] Speaker 2: It's corporate trust. Yeah, I mean, this is... It gets, it gets... It's a huge, tricky thing.

[15:06] Speaker 1: It is, is huge, but how can we make it simple for people? Because a lot of people have heard the language of strawman. They've heard, uh-

[15:13] Speaker 2: Yep.

[15:13] Speaker 1: ... you know, about the birth certificate trust, or registrations.

[15:18] Speaker 2: Yep. Yep.

[15:18] Speaker 1: So what is your take on that? What happens when we're born?

[15:23] Speaker 2: Okay, so, so when we're born, the first thing that happens is that there's a registration of live birth.

[15:31] Speaker 1: Yep.

[15:32] Speaker 2: Yeah? But that is the registration of the infant, and because of all the, the, uh, stuff that I've researched...

[15:43] Speaker 1: Yep.

[15:44] Speaker 2: ... I checked out what the word, word infant means.

[15:47] Speaker 1: Okay.

[15:47] Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's, uh, it's Latin and it means unable to speak.

[15:52] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

[15:52] Speaker 2: Yeah?

[15:53] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[15:53] Speaker 2: And to speak, if you, if you check that out, means to utter from the mouth. Yeah?

[15:59] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

[16:00] Speaker 2: And to utter is, is to make a sound or, or whatever. Yeah? So, um, something that, uh, that utters from the mouth is not an infant, because an infant is from in phant, unable to speak.

[16:19] Speaker 1: Unable to, yeah.

[16:21] Speaker 2: Yeah? Unable to speak, so the infant is unable to speak, yeah, or, or make any sound. And this is why I believe there used to be that classic idea that doctors would slap a baby's bottom to hear it cry.

[16:34] Speaker 1: Okay.

[16:34] Speaker 2: Yeah? What they're doing there is they're checking whether the baby is an infant or not. If it cries out, it can't be an infant because it's making a sound.

[16:46] Speaker 1: Okay.

[16:46] Speaker 2: So then they should then ignore that product of birth, and then you have the other product of birth.

[16:55] Speaker 1: Which is?

[16:55] Speaker 2: Which is the placenta.

[16:57] Speaker 1: Okay.

[16:58] Speaker 2: The afterbirth. And that is the infant, from what I understand, in their mad, twisted game.

[17:05] Speaker 1: There's a lot of versions out there about how this works.

[17:09] Speaker 2: Yep.

[17:09] Speaker 1: And I'm really interested-

[17:10] Speaker 2: Yep.

[17:10] Speaker 1: ... because remember, everybody, we're talking about a driving instructor here, we're talking to Martin, who was happily getting on with his life, you know, teaching people how to get their licenses, and driving them around, and now we've got you talking about like the structure of our words, and the structure of registration of births, and how... Wow, like there can be this convoluted idea that, you know, we're looking at what infant means and what placenta is, and are we essentially talking about registering if the baby's alive or dead?

[17:53] Speaker 2: Hmm, no, they, they don't care about the baby. It's not part of their system.

[17:57] Speaker 1: Rightio. Okay, so when we're born and we're registered, what's it about?

[18:02] Speaker 2: We're not registered. It's about-

[18:03] Speaker 1: Okay.

[18:03] Speaker 2: It's, it's all about the placenta being registered.

[18:06] Speaker 1: The placenta-

[18:06] Speaker 2: Or recorded.

[18:07] Speaker 1: ... being recorded.

[18:08] Speaker 2: Yeah, because if, if, if basically, um...... it's alive, if, if it's showing movement and so on, and because you've got that pulsing of the placenta.

[18:19] Speaker 1: Right.

[18:20] Speaker 2: If you ... Once again, if, if you read stuff, you know, obscure stuff carefully-

[18:24] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[18:24] Speaker 2: ... you'll find out that, that, that, uh, that kind of pulsing that the pl- of the afterbirth-

[18:31] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[18:31] Speaker 2: ... shows that it's alive.

[18:33] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[18:33] Speaker 2: And then it dies, and so on. So in my, uh, view, all the stuff that people worry about, about themselves being registered, there's nothing to worry about because they're not interested in us.

[18:46] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[18:47] Speaker 2: Because they know man has free will.

[18:49] Speaker 1: Yep.

[18:50] Speaker 2: But... S- so basically, what, what's happening is that the, uh, that the hospital staff are making false claims and filling in the forms wrong. So when they weigh the placenta and so on, when they weigh the baby, they shouldn't be weighing the baby. They should be weighing the placenta.

[19:14] Speaker 1: So-

[19:15] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[19:15] Speaker 1: ... somewhere back in history-

[19:18] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[19:18] Speaker 1: ... somebody decided to register or record the placenta and weigh the placenta for the purposes of what?

[19:28] Speaker 2: No. Okay, so no, they didn't decide to do that. They wrote the law. They wrote the rules so that people would think they had to weigh the baby. So all the, all the ... As far as I can see, all the rules are written so that those who are in charge have got plausible deniability. So they can just say to ... about the, uh, about the baby being recorded as an infant, kind of, "Well, you know, we get ... We told you what to do, and yet you're still, you know, an infant. We ..." You know there's a test to see whether the baby is an infant or not, because you just tap its bottom.

[20:10] Speaker 1: So, so they're play- they're playing an unspoken game of some sort.

[20:13] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

[20:15] Speaker 1: For wh- For, for what purpose?

[20:17] Speaker 2: Because man has free will, and so they have to trick us into playing ev- well, playing everything.

[20:23] Speaker 1: But how are they benefiting?

[20:24] Speaker 2: So ... Well, be- (laughs) because w- we shape the world for them.

[20:30] Speaker 1: How? How are we-

[20:31] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[20:31] Speaker 1: How are they, how are they benefiting from the trickery that seems to start from the day we're born?

[20:38] Speaker 2: Okay. Um, well, because they trick us into building roads for them so they can move stuff around, and, uh, and do whatever they do. I, I mean, I don't know exactly what they do because I- I'm not party to, uh, to these people.

[20:52] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[20:53] Speaker 2: Yeah? But I, I know that if I was, if I was kind of a, a psychopath, um, these would be the kind of things that I would do because I wouldn't want anybody blaming me. Similarly with the post-

[21:05] Speaker 1: But I'm still, I'm still, I'm still missing something here. I'm still missing-

[21:10] Speaker 2: Okay.

[21:10] Speaker 1: ... something.

[21:11] Speaker 2: Well-

[21:11] Speaker 1: How are they-

[21:11] Speaker 2: Okay.

[21:11] Speaker 1: ... benefiting? So you're saying that they've set up some sort of trickery-

[21:16] Speaker 2: Yep.

[21:16] Speaker 1: ... right?

[21:17] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[21:17] Speaker 1: Where-

[21:17] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[21:18] Speaker 1: ... they're recording a placenta instead of a live-

[21:21] Speaker 2: Yep.

[21:21] Speaker 1: ... birth of some sort, and the-

[21:24] Speaker 2: They should be, but they're not. They're actually ... Yeah.

[21:26] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

[21:26] Speaker 2: But -

[21:27] Speaker 1: And out ... That, that placenta then programs us. Something about it programs us into building roads and living our lives-

[21:37] Speaker 2: No.

[21:37] Speaker 1: ... for them?

[21:39] Speaker 2: Well, no, because they, they ask, um, they ask the mother what she's going to call the pl- you know, the placenta.

[21:47] Speaker 1: Yes.

[21:47] Speaker 2: And she gives it the same name as the baby.

[21:50] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[21:50] Speaker 2: So basically, that, that, those records then go on. So you've got this, this double, this, this kind of double thing. You've got the na- name of the placenta-

[22:04] Speaker 1: Two systems.

[22:04] Speaker 2: It's got the same name as the baby.

[22:05] Speaker 1: Two systems, two entities.

[22:08] Speaker 2: Two, two completely separate systems.

[22:10] Speaker 1: Why?

[22:11] Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay, so how much work does Bill Gates have to do? None.

[22:19] Speaker 1: Not much.

[22:20] Speaker 2: How much work do the Rothschilds have to do? How much work do the Rockefellers have to do? None.

[22:25] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[22:25] Speaker 2: They just sit there in their palaces, yep, and they get people to build roads for them. They get people to get all their food for them.

[22:31] Speaker 1: Yep.

[22:32] Speaker 2: Yeah?

[22:33] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[22:33] Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's them that have actually s- started the system. There's, the system is probably much older than that, yeah?

[22:39] Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah.

[22:40] Speaker 2: But that's what it benefits them, yeah? And so they can then, uh, allow the, uh ... Basically, they've got plausible deniability because they say, "Well, no, the, uh, the infant is something that can't speak. You should have been weighing the placenta, not the baby." Yeah?

[22:55] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[22:55] Speaker 2: And, and similarly, it's ... And when you've been naming those things, that's, that's, that's nothing to do with these people out there. What, what were you thinking of?

[23:02] Speaker 1: So you're saying that the name in that window-faced envelope is not-

[23:07] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[23:07] Speaker 1: ... the living man or the living woman.

[23:10] Speaker 2: No, no, no.

[23:11] Speaker 1: It's, it is a created entity that they-

[23:14] Speaker 2: It's ... Yeah.

[23:14] Speaker 1: ... they're capitalizing on.

[23:18] Speaker 2: Yeah, that people volunteer to capitalize on. And, uh, the thing is, because it's ... Because my ideas seem so mad, yeah, even though they're the ... If you look into it logically, it's what happens.

[23:30] Speaker 1: I, I absolutely, I love hearing what you're explaining, right? Because let me-

[23:35] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[23:35] Speaker 1: ... remind everybody again, this is the driving instructor who, you know, started to just delve into all of this stuff, and you haven't been interviewed before about this stuff, so it's all coming out a little raw and-

[23:49] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[23:49] Speaker 1: ... really, really quite intense, right?

[23:51] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[23:51] Speaker 1: And I'm just doing my best to try to, to play, I suppose, the devil's advocate, like I'm a listener out there going, "What the hell is this guy talking about," right?

[24:02] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[24:02] Speaker 1: Everybody's heard, though, out there, if you've been researching this stuff, that something happens with the paperwork when we're born. Something-

[24:11] Speaker 2: Yep.

[24:11] Speaker 1: ... then starts happening with every registration of an item-

[24:16] Speaker 2: Yep.

[24:16] Speaker 1: ... that we make in our lives, and something is happening behind the scenes with making a hell of a lot of money for somebody. And we don't even-

[24:25] Speaker 2: Yep.

[24:25] Speaker 1: ... know that that's going on. Is that right?

[24:28] Speaker 2: On the whole, yeah.

[24:30] Speaker 1: Hmm.So-

[24:31] Speaker 2: I mean, the-

[24:32] Speaker 1: Two different entities when we're born. One's alive, and one goes home with Mum and Dad, but there's a-

[24:37] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[24:37] Speaker 1: ... this other, this other one on paper or on the system that-

[24:42] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[24:42] Speaker 1: ... starts to create a trust. Is that right?

[24:45] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[24:46] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. And that trust, I mean, I've heard others speak, and I've investigated this part, too. There's a double entry bookkeeping system out there in the world, too.

[24:57] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[24:57] Speaker 1: We get to see one face of the money system, where there's another level going on behind the scenes, too.

[25:05] Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, in, in my opinion, uh, because everybody says, "Do your own research," yeah, so this is what I, this is what I've done, or, or anybody, you know, of, of worth. So I thought, "Okay, well, let's, let's have a look into what all these things actually mean."

[25:20] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[25:21] Speaker 2: Yeah, rather than ... because we know how tricky they are.

[25:24] Speaker 1: Yep.

[25:24] Speaker 2: And, and so, uh, yeah, so that's, that's how I, I f- I found out from somebody else about this post and mail, but then I, I made the connection that we have to pay, uh, for a stamp, or the, when we want to send a letter, it's, we're changing a, a jurisdiction. Yeah, so it's going from-

[25:45] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[25:45] Speaker 2: ... our living jurisdiction-

[25:47] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[25:47] Speaker 2: ... to a kind of dead jurisdiction, so to speak, and then back out the other end.

[25:52] Speaker 1: That's a good word, jurisdiction, because when I started investigating this stuff, that was what I had in the back of my mind. I was thinking to myself when I started to investigate, "What's this diplomatic immunity that's out there," you know? "Uh, well, how do some people work in a different jurisdiction and seem to be above other jurisdictions?" So that was in the back of my mind, the word diplomatic immunity and jurisdictions.

[26:21] Speaker 1: And I'm-

[26:22] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[26:22] Speaker 1: ... still looking at it that way. It's like, how do I, or how do we all, create a new jurisdiction where-

[26:30] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[26:30] Speaker 1: ... we operate under God's law.

[26:32] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[26:33] Speaker 1: And, you know, operate outside of the jurisdictions that have been-

[26:39] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[26:39] Speaker 1: ... created out there.

[26:41] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[26:41] Speaker 1: What's your thinking about that?

[26:44] Speaker 2: Well, y- yeah, um, so it's, it's funny because I'd, I'd kind of heard about it, but then I was reading a- an article, um, and along, uh, there were comments beneath the article, and there was this one that, uh, this chap had said, "Oh, yeah, you know, it's, it's all about jurisdictions. Here's all the work I've done on jurisdictions," and, uh, there was a, there was a whole load of stuff. It, there's actually a, a kind of, an accessible Google Drive thing about jurisdictions.

[27:18] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[27:18] Speaker 2: And although I don't essentially agree with kind of all of it nowadays, it really led me, you know, into understanding this idea that you've got these four basic jurisdictions. You've got the soil, the land, the water or maritime, and, and the air kind of thing.

[27:35] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[27:35] Speaker 2: And, and we see in, you know, in, if you watch, for instance, the old film The Hunchback of Notre Dame, where, um, the Hunchback claimed sanctuary for, for the, uh, woman that he's rescued within the Church, yeah?

[27:52] Speaker 1: Right.

[27:52] Speaker 2: And in-

[27:53] Speaker 1: Right.

[27:53] Speaker 2: And basically, because the Church was Church jurisdiction and the poli- they, the, uh, the police can't enter that, or couldn't in those days.

[28:05] Speaker 1: Right, yep, yep. Mm-hmm.

[28:08] Speaker 2: Yeah. What's happened since then, since these films were made, is that the, um, church is, have been tricked into giving up jurisdiction.

[28:18] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[28:19] Speaker 2: So, they've been given the option to register as a charity so they're not liable for tax.

[28:25] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[28:25] Speaker 2: Or they were never liable for tax in the first place.

[28:28] Speaker 1: Oh, but registering-

[28:28] Speaker 2: Because they're not in that jurisdiction.

[28:30] Speaker 1: But registering shifted their jurisdiction.

[28:33] Speaker 2: Yeah, so they volunteered, just like-

[28:35] Speaker 1: Right.

[28:35] Speaker 2: ... we do. So-

[28:36] Speaker 1: Right.

[28:36] Speaker 2: ... when, when you get bills coming through the post, yeah-

[28:40] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[28:41] Speaker 2: ... it's nothing to do with you. I mean, if I can go back a bit, the reason I, I discovered this was because I got into huge amounts of debt many, many years ago.

[28:50] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[28:50] Speaker 2: Like, I don't know, 25 s- years ago.

[28:53] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[28:53] Speaker 2: And, um, uh, it all became a bit too much for me, and I had, you know, kind of demands for money-

[29:03] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[29:04] Speaker 2: ... and so on coming left, right, and center. And so I just started ignoring them all, yeah, because it was just too much for me to deal with.

[29:11] Speaker 1: Yep.

[29:12] Speaker 2: You know? And I got people knocking on the door, you know, and slipping notes through the door saying, you know, "We're coming for you," kind of thing.

[29:19] Speaker 1: Yep.

[29:20] Speaker 2: And that was, that was very, very stressful.

[29:23] Speaker 1: Ah, well, because a lot of it-

[29:25] Speaker 2: That-

[29:25] Speaker 1: ... was intimidating and a lot of it's threatening.

[29:27] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

[29:28] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[29:28] Speaker 2: And, uh, you know, once again, possibly because I was a driving instructor, um, and working for myself, and, uh, I'd, by that time, I'd also decided not to make any more tax returns.

[29:44] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[29:44] Speaker 2: Yeah? So I just stopped doing tax returns. I just basically stopped re- responding to anything about, I don't know, 10, 15 years before COVID came in.

[29:54] Speaker 1: Okay, yep, you were already fi- trying to figure things out.

[29:59] Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yeah, I'm, I mean, I've, uh, I, I kind of figured out that, hang on, they send me summons, but nobody comes to pick me up, yeah?

[30:07] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[30:07] Speaker 2: It's all about volunteering, yeah? They can't make you do anything is, is what I kind of worked out.

[30:12] Speaker 1: Right.

[30:12] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[30:13] Speaker 1: The hard way.

[30:14] Speaker 2: So, you know, I haven't been paying utility bills or, or whatever or council taxes or mortgage for, for years and years and years.

[30:20] Speaker 1: Yep.

[30:22] Speaker 2: And, uh, I mean, there's, you know, there's, uh, uh, uh, so there's, there's, there's just so much stuff that I've discovered-

[30:28] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[30:28] Speaker 2: ... about how it's basically all just a trick.

[30:31] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[30:33] Speaker 2: ... yeah, from the infant, from the, from the, the, the post, the, the post and mail thing, you know, the, uh, the mortgages, for instance. I mean, either you're saying that you've got a house and you want to borrow money against it, but of course you don't have the house because somebody else is living there, yeah? Or-

[30:57] Speaker 1: Hang on, hang on.

[30:57] Speaker 2: ... the-

[30:58] Speaker 1: What do you m- What do you mean by that?

[31:00] Speaker 2: Well, if it... But if I go to a pawn broker, yeah, and say, "Oh, I've got a watch," yeah, I've, I... Let's say I go to a pawn broker and I say, "Look, I wa- I, I need to, uh, to raise, uh, $100," yeah, and, uh, I say, "And I've got a nice watch," he says, "Oh, great, show it to me," I say, "Oh, no, no, no, it's, it's not here," yeah, it's at a friend's place.

[31:21] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[31:22] Speaker 2: But he's not gonna lend me $100, is he?

[31:24] Speaker 1: No.

[31:25] Speaker 2: He, he'll want to see that I actually own that watch.

[31:28] Speaker 1: Mm.

[31:28] Speaker 2: Yeah? But then I go to a bank and say, "Oh, I wanna buy a, a, a..." you know, "I want $100,000 to buy a house."

[31:35] Speaker 1: Yep.

[31:35] Speaker 2: And they'll say, "Where's the house?" "W- I don't own it. No, no, some- it's somebody else, it's somebody else's house." "Oh, yeah, sure, mate, we'll give you $100,000 on something that somebody else owns." Like, how does that work?

[31:48] Speaker 1: Hang on. Ho- how d- h- how does that work?

[31:51] Speaker 2: Yeah, how does it work?

[31:52] Speaker 1: The bank's not gonna give you-

[31:53] Speaker 2: How can you borrow-

[31:54] Speaker 1: The bank's not gonna give you 100,000 on a house that you don't own.

[31:58] Speaker 2: Well, they do every time, every time you buy a house.

[32:01] Speaker 1: Why? Who owns the house?

[32:01] Speaker 2: Every time somebody... Sorry?

[32:04] Speaker 1: Who owns the house?

[32:07] Speaker 2: Well, I mean, where... If I move in, if I'm looking to move into a new house, I certainly don't own that house.

[32:13] Speaker 1: Not yet.

[32:14] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

[32:14] Speaker 1: But you've entered a contract.

[32:15] Speaker 2: N- Not yet.

[32:16] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[32:17] Speaker 2: Pr- yeah. But, you know, they have to give me the money for the house to buy it before I own it.

[32:25] Speaker 1: Okay. Yep.

[32:28] Speaker 2: Well, that's mad, because I could drop dead. So they could give me the money, and I could then drop dead, theoretically.

[32:35] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[32:35] Speaker 2: Yeah? Or the other thing is, I'm lying, and I say, "Oh, no, I've got this house, this is my house. Give me 100,000. Just lend me $100,000." See, this is the, the problem with the system, okay, the way it works, is because the mortgage or exchange of contracts, you get two exchanges of contract on the same day, you know, somebody generally moves in and somebody moves out, so on, on, on the same day, yeah?

[33:03] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[33:03] Speaker 2: They can flip the, uh, the timing around, so they could say, "Oh, that person moved out. You then moved in, and then we gave you the $100,000."

[33:17] Speaker 1: So what you're talking about is something that we're not privy to that's happening behind the scenes with what they're doing.

[33:26] Speaker 2: Well, it's, it's basically what nobody's thought about. I mean, you know, I've, I've just thought how, you know, I've, I've basically tried to make... look at buying a house or, or raising money to buy a house like raising money to buy anything. Let's say I wanted to buy a second watch, for instance.

[33:41] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[33:42] Speaker 2: And the guy would say, "Oh, no, you give me the watch first. Put it over the counter, and then I'll give you the $100 to buy another watch."

[33:51] Speaker 1: Right, right.

[33:51] Speaker 2: Yeah?

[33:53] Speaker 1: Now I'm with you. Now I'm with you, and we're not putting-

[33:55] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[33:55] Speaker 1: ... a house forward and going, "Here's the house, now give us the money."

[34:00] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so-

[34:00] Speaker 1: They're giving us the money on the proviso that a house is gonna turn up-

[34:05] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[34:05] Speaker 1: ... at some point.

[34:06] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, which is, which is kind of a bit mad, you see, and so they can only do this because banking doesn't work o- on a second-by-second or minute-by-minute basis.

[34:17] Speaker 1: Right.

[34:17] Speaker 2: They can do it because it... the, the books are balanced at the end of the day.

[34:22] Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. Oh, my God, you've just opened up Pandora's box, Martin, and I hope everybody out there, you're not frying too many brain cells as they try to put all those pieces together. Um-

[34:35] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[34:35] Speaker 1: ... okay. Let's, let's move on. Let's move on. So you started to understand that there's a trust, there are trusts created, that there's different versions-

[34:44] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[34:44] Speaker 1: ... of what we think is our name that is being-

[34:48] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[34:48] Speaker 1: ... yeah, bandied about and worked on-

[34:51] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[34:51] Speaker 1: ... in all sorts of ways. We've got paper identities at which are those names all over the place.

[34:58] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[34:59] Speaker 1: Um, and you then started to find, did you, different groups that were all starting to look at this kind of, what's going on in the world, what's happening with our birth and recording or registering and our systems, yeah?

[35:15] Speaker 2: Yeah, f- for sure. I mean, mainly, um, the work of Ann Von Wright and the American States Assembly, which is the kind of forerunner of TASA, the, uh, Terra Australis-

[35:25] Speaker 1: Yep, and for-

[35:26] Speaker 2: ... States Assembly.

[35:26] Speaker 1: ... people listening, I've interviewed a couple of people from, from Terra Australis.

[35:30] Speaker 2: Yeah, Mookie and Ben I think from, uh, from-

[35:32] Speaker 1: Yes.

[35:32] Speaker 2: ... TASA and-

[35:33] Speaker 1: Yes.

[35:33] Speaker 2: ... and so on.

[35:34] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[35:34] Speaker 2: Yeah. So, um, so, uh-

[35:37] Speaker 1: So why-

[35:38] Speaker 2: So, yeah, so I-

[35:38] Speaker 1: Why were you trying to find groups? What were you looking for?

[35:43] Speaker 2: Um, to see if... yeah, basically just to bounce ideas off people-

[35:48] Speaker 1: Okay.

[35:48] Speaker 2: ... and ex- exchange ideas and so on.

[35:50] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

[35:50] Speaker 2: And then I discovered, uh, Anna Von Wright and, uh, all her articles. You know, she's done over 5,000 articles now. It was about-

[36:00] Speaker 1: Yes.

[36:00] Speaker 2: ... 2,000, 2,500 when I, when I first found her, but, uh, straightaway, I think maybe her third article, there was an article called The Nut is Cracked-

[36:12] Speaker 1: And there's a book-

[36:12] Speaker 2: ... which has got, um-

[36:13] Speaker 1: ... and there's a book by that name.

[36:14] Speaker 2: Which-

[36:14] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[36:16] Speaker 2: Yeah, but it, uh, basically, The, The, The Nut Is Cracked, uh, the, the article basically lists all these different types of trust names-

[36:23] Speaker 1: Right.

[36:23] Speaker 2: ... that are in our name.

[36:24] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[36:24] Speaker 2: So, you know, whether it's all capitals or whether it's half capitals and half kind of lowercase and whether it's got, um, full stops in it and, or, or, or not, there's, there's a, there's a whole load of stuff in there, so that, that gave me a good, a good clue...So when I then started looking at the, uh, the mail that I'll... Yeah, the mail that I was getting, that, uh, that kind of told me I was, uh, I was kind of on the, on the right, uh, on the right path. And then I started reading lots of the... her history and, and found that there's kind of an, an alternative history to the, uh, the aftermath of the Norman conquest over here in, in England about, you know, in 1066, so about a thousand years ago. And the... Because she had access to family history going back for that time.

[37:18] Speaker 1: That's what I was about to say, actually. Yeah. She, she had generational history in her own family-

[37:24] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[37:24] Speaker 1: ... that had been-

[37:25] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[37:25] Speaker 1: ... investigating a lot of wrongdoings and-

[37:28] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[37:28] Speaker 1: ... a lot of questionable things. Um, I just, for everybody out there, want to give her website. I was just looking it up myself. So we've got Anna, A-N-N-A, Von, V-O-N, Reitz, which is R-E-I-T-Z, ".com." And if you go to that website, it has her blogs. And as you said, there's 5,000 odd of them. And if you want to research for yourself what has been going on in the world behind the scenes, so to speak, go and have a look, right? Go and have a look. So, you got connected with these other groups because you were looking for still researching, you wanted more conversations and connections and discussions about all this stuff. Yeah?

[38:17] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I was... By then I'd dec- I'd, I'd found out that, uh, about licenses, you know. So basically, a license is something that allows you to do something that's otherwise illegal.

[38:29] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[38:29] Speaker 2: It's basically just another money-making scam.

[38:32] Speaker 1: Yep.

[38:33] Speaker 2: Yeah. And so I knew then, uh, uh, I discovered that within the first few weeks and I thought, "Well, I can, I can never go back to being a driving instructor-"

[38:40] Speaker 1: Oh.

[38:40] Speaker 2: "... again."

[38:40] Speaker 1: Oh, right.

[38:41] Speaker 2: Yeah. Because A, I had to be licensed.

[38:44] Speaker 1: Yep.

[38:44] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[38:45] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[38:45] Speaker 2: And B, I was helping other people to get a license.

[38:48] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[38:48] Speaker 2: So, you know. (laughs) It's, uh, um... So, so that was that. So, so yeah, that was-

[38:54] Speaker 1: So that dashed all of that, didn't it? (laughs)

[38:57] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yep. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, uh, but there you go. That's, that's life. Um, and-

[39:03] Speaker 1: So, you know, but this is beautiful in, in a sense that, you know, it took you down this incredible road, right?

[39:10] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

[39:11] Speaker 1: Uncovering a lot of things. And as you said to me-

[39:15] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[39:15] Speaker 1: ... before we got started, you already had questions through your own life by being-

[39:21] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[39:21] Speaker 1: ... adopted-

[39:22] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[39:22] Speaker 1: ... by having a mother who was German and who'd, you know-

[39:26] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[39:26] Speaker 1: ... gone through World War II. Would that be?

[39:28] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[39:28] Speaker 1: Yeah?

[39:29] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. She, she grew up in Nazi Germany.

[39:31] Speaker 1: Yep. So you already had questions, and being adopted, you knew about the Church, you had personal experiences with the Church and the State that-

[39:42] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[39:42] Speaker 1: ... as a kid, already had you going, "I don't like you guys."

[39:48] Speaker 2: Yeah. (laughs) That's it.

[39:50] Speaker 1: Yeah. So it was already-

[39:52] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[39:52] Speaker 1: ... there, right at the beginning-

[39:54] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[39:56] Speaker 1: ... for you, and then-

[39:56] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[39:56] Speaker 1: ... COVID comes along and triggers all of that. Is that right?

[40:00] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[40:00] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[40:00] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, other, other things that happened during my life, which is why I thought, "Right, I've gotta be kind of working for myself." Uh, you know, so I, I deliberately don't say self-employed because when you're self-employed you tend to fill in tax returns. Yeah. Because in- employment is a kind of state thing.

[40:22] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[40:22] Speaker 2: Even selfish, because you're paying taxes.

[40:25] Speaker 1: So those childhood, um, experiences had you-

[40:28] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[40:28] Speaker 1: ... doing anything that you could to be independent of the system. Is that right?

[40:33] Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, it was, but also, you know, the, the stuff that happened dur- in my working life, you know, once I... Or, or when I, you know, I went to university for a, for a while.

[40:43] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[40:43] Speaker 2: And, you know, saw people there doing huge amounts of drink and drugs. And I was thinking, "Hang on. These, these are our future captains of industry."

[40:52] Speaker 1: Right.

[40:52] Speaker 2: You know? It just reinforces the idea that, that the whole thing is a, is a sham. And then, you know, get... being offered a good job, and then at the last minute being told I wasn't have, having that job because somebody else had turned up from the, uh, CEO's school and he was giving the job to him. They'd been at the same private school together, even though they'd never met e- each other before.

[41:17] Speaker 1: Right.

[41:17] Speaker 2: Yes.

[41:19] Speaker 1: Yep.

[41:19] Speaker 2: Um, and then not getting a managerial position in a, in a, in a job with a large corporation, because although I was qualified... Uh, well, I wasn't qualified. I mean, I was smart enough. Hopefully, you can, you know, recognize the... You know, I was able to do lots of research and stuff there, um, but because I didn't have a degree-

[41:38] Speaker 1: Right.

[41:39] Speaker 2: ... they wouldn't give me a management position.

[41:41] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[41:41] Speaker 2: So, yeah, eventually, uh... And that all happened in my 20s and I thought, by the time I got to the end of my 20s, "Look, to hell with it," you know. "I'm just gonna have to work for myself."

[41:49] Speaker 1: You started seeing firsthand how it didn't have everything to do with a piece of paper. It had a lot to do with money and power. Is that right?

[42:00] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, uh, fitting in, basically.

[42:03] Speaker 1: Yes. Fitting in. Yeah, and fitting in-

[42:06] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[42:07] Speaker 1: Fitting in with what, huh?

[42:09] Speaker 2: Yeah. Indeed.

[42:11] Speaker 1: Because I saw that myself with leaving school and getting out into the real world. I was in a lot of corporate kind of situations and saw-

[42:20] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[42:20] Speaker 1: ... more happening just like you did in terms of drugs and alcohol and bad behavior. And my radar was going off too, going, "How, how is, how are these people-"

[42:32] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[42:32] Speaker 1: "... how are these people running, you know, corporations-"

[42:36] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[42:36] Speaker 1: "... and the big end of business-"

[42:39] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[42:39] Speaker 1: "... and stuff if they're all-"

[42:40] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[42:40] Speaker 1: "... behaving this way?" Especially during the '80s. I mean, you know-

[42:44] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[42:44] Speaker 1: ... there was nothing unusual about having lunches that went into the m- you know, the wee hours of the morning.

[42:51] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

[42:52] Speaker 1: Everybody was smoking, drinking, doing drugs, uh, white-

[42:55] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[42:55] Speaker 1: ... the white-collar drug industry was pretty big.

[42:59] Speaker 2: Hmm.

[43:01] Speaker 1: And it-

[43:02] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[43:02] Speaker 1: ... it makes you a bit jaded, doesn't it? (laughs)

[43:05] Speaker 2: (laughs) I mean, you know, it, it just wasn't, uh, my scene. It's kind of like, well, you know, you, you know, it's just like, for God's, yes, as, as you say, you know, for goodness' sake, it's kind of, why are we listening to these people? You know, why do we have any faith in them?

[43:19] Speaker 1: Right. Yeah. Yeah. So you had a lot of experiences of researching and investigating a lot of different things, and COVID then just goes and knocks you right on the head, and you-

[43:31] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[43:31] Speaker 1: ... have to get into finding out what's going on. Yeah?

[43:36] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[43:37] Speaker 1: So what now? What, what, what advice would you give for people? Firstly, I know that you've already said, do your own research, right? You can listen-

[43:47] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[43:47] Speaker 1: ... to other people, but you have to do your own research, and Anna's blogs would be a really good place to start for some people-

[43:54] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[43:54] Speaker 1: ... who wanna do that. The other thing would be to find some groups out there that are starting to-

[43:59] Speaker 2: Yep.

[43:59] Speaker 1: ... question our systems.

[44:03] Speaker 2: Yep.

[44:03] Speaker 1: Right?

[44:04] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[44:04] Speaker 1: But you've got to do your own research. So now what? What next?

[44:09] Speaker 2: For me?

[44:10] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[44:11] Speaker 2: Um, okay. Well, um, so I've recently done this, you know, I, I decided to go back as far as possible, uh, uh, to Greek law. Yeah. Or, or to, or to the Greek myths, because that seems to be what our, uh, our, our, what our law is based on.

[44:29] Speaker 1: For everybody, can I just interje-

[44:30] Speaker 2: But once you get-

[44:30] Speaker 1: Can I just interject just for a minute? For everybody out there, I read your document that you'd done about that.

[44:37] Speaker 2: Okay. Okay.

[44:37] Speaker 1: And it took me days. It took me days, because it's, for starters, I have researched a lot of different rabbit holes in terms of who are we and what is this place that we're living in. I've listened to people who have different interpretations of the Bible, have different interpret-interpretations of our history as well, which is all really, really interesting stuff, right? There's interpretations of everything out there, um, and interpretations that bring more light to what we understand as opposed to what we've been taught. And to l- to read through what you put into such a sequence was incredible, because you were talking about the Greek gods and the whole status and set-up, and how our law and our societies got rolled out.

[45:36] Speaker 2: Yeah. That's, that's what it's all about.

[45:39] Speaker 1: Incredible.

[45:39] Speaker 2: Yeah. In fact, even, um, you know, there's, there's some stuff, because I've, I've been doing it since then, since I, you, you saw those documents. I mean, I, I don't know whether I, I mentioned there's, there's a bit in there which explains the, uh, you know, how, the, uh, the post and mail thing, for instance.

[46:00] Speaker 1: Right.

[46:01] Speaker 2: So, there's a wedding of, uh, Zeus, the king of the gods, and Hera, his wife, finally, but, uh, Zeus is actually the state and Hera is representative of the church. So it's the melding of church and state together. They get married. So when Zeus is busy raping and, and doing all these other things, yeah, it's not actually, um, uh, a kind of physical thing. It's where-

[46:28] Speaker 1: So it's not a physical person, it's not a physical-

[46:30] Speaker 2: No, it's not a-

[46:31] Speaker 1: ... it's an element thing.

[46:33] Speaker 2: No, and it, it's basically what, what, what he's doing is he's annexing various other laws.

[46:38] Speaker 1: Right. Right.

[46:39] Speaker 2: And so on. And so, um, you know, there's a bit where, um, the, his father, Chronos, sw- is persuaded to swallow a stone, yeah?

[46:51] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[46:51] Speaker 2: In swaddling. Yeah? Well, the stone is actually, comes up quite a few times, the stone is a lie. Yeah? So he swallows a lie.

[47:00] Speaker 1: Right.

[47:00] Speaker 2: And swaddling is a story around it.

[47:02] Speaker 1: Right. Yeah.

[47:03] Speaker 2: Yeah?

[47:04] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[47:04] Speaker 2: So once... It, it's kind of weird because once you, uh, st- start recognizing these things-

[47:12] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[47:14] Speaker 2: ... yeah, it, it becomes kind of like, oh, right, that's what that's probably about, and then you go and look at the, uh, the names of them and see how, how the names of a, of the, the, the characters in a particular story-

[47:28] Speaker 1: Yep.

[47:28] Speaker 2: ... yeah, actually reinforce what your idea is.

[47:32] Speaker 1: Well, they start revealing themselves.

[47:34] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[47:34] Speaker 1: It's a bit like when you started reading the Bible from the perspective-

[47:38] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[47:38] Speaker 1: ... that it was about human anatomy and that all the names-

[47:42] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[47:42] Speaker 1: ... of the different characters were-

[47:44] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[47:44] Speaker 1: ... and things that happened to them were actually stories about our anatomy and how that worked.

[47:49] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

[47:49] Speaker 1: And as soon as you started to read it from that angle, everything started to make-

[47:53] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[47:53] Speaker 1: ... different sense. So that's what you're talking about.

[47:56] Speaker 2: Yeah. Sure.

[47:56] Speaker 1: What, what if those characters weren't real gods or real people-

[48:01] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[48:01] Speaker 1: ... but they're telling a story about h- th- this creation. This creation.

[48:06] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Well, I, it's essentially about this, this kind of lie about law.

[48:13] Speaker 1: Right.

[48:14] Speaker 2: How it's all f- you know, it's, it all just comes from the mind. There, you know, there is no, uh, absolute laws as far as I'm concerned. You know, maybe the law of the so- soil or law of the jungle-

[48:24] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[48:24] Speaker 2: ... you know, which is every man for himself kind of thing. Yeah?

[48:28] Speaker 1: And like I said earlier-

[48:29] Speaker 2: Or we can come together in groups.

[48:30] Speaker 1: Yeah. Like I said earlier when I called that it came from the minds of men, that's what I meant.

[48:35] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[48:35] Speaker 1: It wasn't about it's only men. But it's a male mental energy that has created their laws.

[48:42] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[48:43] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[48:44] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[48:44] Speaker 1: Right.

[48:44] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[48:45] Speaker 1: And it's not good.

[48:45] Speaker 2: And so, you know... No, that's, that, you know, and so, I mean, it's, it's interesting 'cause you ment- mentioned, uh, the Bible there, and of course, right at the very beginning there, you've got...... the waters above and the waters below and, and that... and there was a shimmering on the waters. Yeah.

[49:02] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[49:02] Speaker 2: And if we then go back to the cloud busting thing, you know, and there's a lot of research now going on about the consciousness of water.

[49:12] Speaker 1: Right. Right.

[49:13] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[49:13] Speaker 1: We haven't touched on that yet, have we, about you, Mr. Cloud Buster? Okay.

[49:18] Speaker 2: And we've got about five minutes left, haven't we? So, uh-

[49:19] Speaker 1: We've got se-... We've got seven. We're doing all right.

[49:22] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[49:22] Speaker 1: We're doing all right. Um, okay. So what are we capable of? Let's just completely flip the conversation to that.

[49:33] Speaker 2: Yeah. So, um, I've... I mean, one of the things that, uh, that this whole kind of reset of the... although some people wouldn't like that word, but, uh, this whole kind of, um, change in the world-

[49:47] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[49:47] Speaker 2: ... has allowed is, that it's allowed me to get close to the people that I think are gonna be shaping the next experience that we have here.

[50:02] Speaker 1: Sure.

[50:03] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[50:03] Speaker 1: Sure.

[50:04] Speaker 2: So, um, you know, I, I would never be able to get near to any captains of industry or, or, or whatever, and, or, yeah, Elon Musk or whatever.

[50:12] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[50:13] Speaker 2: And to be quite honest, he's not gonna, you know, take any notice of a driving instructor from, you know, (laughs) an ex-driving instructor kind of thing with some mad ideas.

[50:21] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[50:21] Speaker 2: But, um, I, I realized that, uh, you know, and, and just like you're doing, you're meeting lots of people who are... seem to be shaping the new world. And, and, and this, this happened with, um, with, with this water research, 'cause tha- that interested me. I, I did, uh, physics, chemistry, and biology at A-level many years ago when I was at school. So I've always had an interest in, in these kind of sciences.

[50:45] Speaker 1: Sure. Mm-hmm.

[50:46] Speaker 2: But now I'm finding out that really these are just, how should we say, uh, idea... once again, just fictions, ideas kind of thing. And that there's a kind of a universal consciousness.

[51:03] Speaker 1: There is.

[51:04] Speaker 2: Probably within water.

[51:05] Speaker 1: Well-

[51:06] Speaker 2: And-

[51:06] Speaker 1: ... part of the shift, like you've, you've been, you know... your world's been turned upside down, like it happened to a lot of other people, but people started-

[51:14] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[51:14] Speaker 1: ... to open their minds to the, you know, the possibilities-

[51:17] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[51:17] Speaker 1: ... of what's really going on. And as soon as-

[51:19] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[51:20] Speaker 1: ... you have an open mind, you start to bump into some, you know, really incredible stuff. And I think consciousness is part of what's going on right now.

[51:30] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[51:30] Speaker 1: And I want to start having conversations using the language of spirit, of soul, of God, of consciousness.

[51:39] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

[51:39] Speaker 1: 'Cause I think we have to start talking about these things, because one thing that I've uncovered through my own rabbit holes is that we are the most powerful creative force on this planet.

[51:52] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[51:52] Speaker 1: And we haven't been acting like it at all.

[51:56] Speaker 2: No. Yeah. So, so basically with the, with the... you know, speaking to these, uh, these people, I... basically, I've, you know, sought various people out that I've, that I've found who, um, seem to be super well switched on about these things. And they're all, you know, very approachable.

[52:17] Speaker 1: Yes.

[52:17] Speaker 2: And helpful and, and so on. And so I got talking to these people about, uh, um... basically about changing the weather. There's a, there's a, a recent a- article about rights is about, um, moving the storm over in Texas that was supposed to devastate Texas.

[52:36] Speaker 1: Well, I can-

[52:37] Speaker 2: And so on, and, and-

[52:37] Speaker 1: ... I can, I can tell it like this, right? Anybody who's listening-

[52:40] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[52:40] Speaker 1: ... you go out there tomorrow or today, when you're, whenever you're listening to this, and focus on one cloud in the sky. Just focus on one cloud. Keep your focus and will it to disperse and see what happens.

[52:57] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[52:57] Speaker 1: Because we can make it vaporize, right?

[53:01] Speaker 2: Yeah. I-

[53:01] Speaker 1: That's-

[53:02] Speaker 2: Yeah. I, I tell it to return to the ether.

[53:04] Speaker 1: Okay. Okay.

[53:06] Speaker 2: But whatever, whatever works for you, you know?

[53:08] Speaker 1: Whatever. As long as you give it focus and you're asking it to disappear, return to the ether, transform, whatever it is, you watch what you can do. And that's the beginning of what we're capable of doing. We've known for a long time we can heal, we can heal ourselves, our body, given the right environment, can take care of everything. And I think... are we starting to remember what we can do, Martin? What do you think?

[53:35] Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah. I mean, a lot of it is, is, is out there in symbolism and so on.

[53:39] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[53:40] Speaker 2: Yeah. And basically, the symbolism has been hidden by various... or let's say there's probably people who maybe haven't hidden it, they just haven't told anybody else about it, you know-

[53:53] Speaker 1: No.

[53:53] Speaker 2: ... and used it for their own purposes.

[53:54] Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah. It just has not been shared. It certainly wasn't-

[53:58] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[53:58] Speaker 1: ... in my school curriculum. Was it in yours? (laughs)

[54:03] Speaker 2: Sadly not, no. But, uh, no, I was, I was watching, uh, you know, uh, a webinar last night, uh, by, um, a guy called Bob Greenya of the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project, and that was very, very interesting about how they're, they're developing technology to, uh, basically alchemize radioactive materials into just ordinary carbon and oxygen-

[54:28] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[54:28] Speaker 2: ... so they can clean up, you know, everything. And, you know, and this, this thing can... this can apparently be done with our will and so on. But they're also, you know, they're-

[54:38] Speaker 1: Right. Right.

[54:38] Speaker 2: They're... just, just like a mic, you know, a microphone and a sp- and, and an amplifier and a speaker will amplify our voice, yeah?

[54:47] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[54:47] Speaker 2: They're coming up with mechanisms to... or people are coming up with mechanisms to, uh, improve our intentions, shall we say?

[54:55] Speaker 1: Ah, amplify it. Wow.

[54:57] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[54:58] Speaker 1: Wow. Because yes, one thing that people do lack these days is, is good focus. (laughs) So if we can have an intention and we can have a machine that will amplify that intention, that would be great.

[55:11] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[55:11] Speaker 1: So-

[55:11] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

[55:12] Speaker 1: So, I mean, this is, what a cool world. What a cool-

[55:16] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[55:17] Speaker 1: ... world we are living in right now.

[55:19] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[55:19] Speaker 1: I mean, who... if someone had of told you 10 years ago that you'd be doing this right now, what would you have said to them?

[55:26] Speaker 2: (laughs) Wow.

[55:30] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[55:31] Speaker 2: I was getting a bit bored with the driving instructions, to be quite honest, so yeah. (laughs)

[55:34] Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. I think that-

[55:36] Speaker 2: But-

[55:36] Speaker 1: ... there's something absolutely beneficial, and I hope that everybody can find that from your story as well, that, you know, we went through what was such trauma for a lot of people, um, as such, you know, turning our lives into chaos and upside down, but it really was a great, great catalyst for reinvention, wasn't it?

[55:57] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. And, you know, I've met people from all over the world now, such as yourself, you know, on the other side of-

[56:02] Speaker 1: Yes.

[56:02] Speaker 2: ... of the world, you know. Pretty well, exactly. You know-

[56:05] Speaker 1: Who would have thought?

[56:06] Speaker 2: ... it's nighttime there, it's daytime here.

[56:08] Speaker 1: Yes.

[56:09] Speaker 2: It's, uh-

[56:10] Speaker 1: Yes.

[56:11] Speaker 2: It's good. It's a shame we're kind of, you know, at the moment, still fairly spread out, but, uh, it seems to be-

[56:19] Speaker 1: Oh, we're coming together, Martin. We're coming together, and that's why I run this radio show. You know, our voices, especially combined voices like we're doing right now, just-

[56:30] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[56:30] Speaker 1: ... as far as I'm concerned, are a bit like a sonic boom. They just boom, out they go for others-

[56:36] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[56:36] Speaker 1: ... to listen to. And your story is, you know, so many people can relate to the things that have happened to you, and, you know, and- and thank you for being brave. Thank you for stepping up and doing this interview with me, right? 'Cause I know it's not easy when it's not something that you do on a regular basis. Um, and-

[56:56] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's my first one.

[56:58] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.

[57:01] Speaker 2: So, yeah, and you've been a great host.

[57:03] Speaker 1: I want everybody to know that, right? It's like, Martin's been brave. He's just got up here and spoken out about all the rabbit holes you've gone down, and I hope everybody takes a little bit of something away from that and starts to do their own research, um, because we are all connecting with each other right now.

[57:23] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[57:23] Speaker 1: Right?

[57:24] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[57:24] Speaker 1: We're creating something better and something new for ourselves. So thank you so-

[57:29] Speaker 2: Absolutely.

[57:29] Speaker 1: ... much for your time-

[57:31] Speaker 2: Okay. My-

[57:31] Speaker 1: ... and for sharing with me.

[57:32] Speaker 2: My pleasure.

[57:33] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[57:34] Speaker 2: Um, if- if... Yeah. People can probably find me on Facebook or via Telegram or whatever, if they're interested in...

[57:41] Speaker 1: What would they look up? Martin? Martin Ansell?

[57:44] Speaker 2: Yeah, Martin Ansell on- on Facebook. I think it's Doc369 or whatever, I can't remember exactly, but, uh-

[57:50] Speaker 1: Martin Ansell, A-N-S-E-L-L. He's in Sussex, England, and yeah-

[57:56] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[57:56] Speaker 1: ... everybody connect. Everybody connect and start-

[57:58] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[57:58] Speaker 1: ... good conversations.

[57:59] Speaker 2: So...

[58:00] Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. Thank you, Martin.

[58:02] Speaker 2: Okay. Lovely speaking to you, Helen.

[58:03] Speaker 1: Thank you.

[58:04] Speaker 2: Thank you. Bye-bye.

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