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[01:42] Speaker 2: Welcome everybody to another episode of Bard's Rise. I am your host, Michael Dean. This week, again, we have returning with us Mike and Leah. Before I bring them on and we continue their saga of homesteading, I just wanna point out a couple things about the, the show page, Bard's Rise. So BBS is doing, undergoing some significant upgrades to their capabilities. And with that is the implementation of AI to help different, uh, the different programs in summarizing what the show's about and trying to, you know, expand reach, the reach of, uh, of the listeners. So AI took it upon itself to, I guess, describe s- at least the last show and possibly some of the others with two words that I just wanted to qualify. It used, uh, sovereign with respect to what homesteading and what Mike and Leah and I are doing.

[02:53] Speaker 2: And I just wanna be clear that we do not, (clears throat) we do not identify with the sovereign citizen movement that's used heavily to discredit people that try and rely on federal land patents to invoke their rights under them. And opposing counsel in one of the lawsuits has done just that, to try and discredit us in our arguments by associating us with the sovereign citizen movement. And we had to respond to that, not only in legal papers, but I wanted to do that, uh, on, on the show page. I corrected some of that, that language, and now I'm letting you know, the audience know, in person. Okay. Or another term I had to correct, uh, again, because of AI and it was all with good intentions, uh, is the term allodial, allodial title. That term can be used in different ways. Its original meaning was that allodial was essentially held, uh, as if you were a king, a sovereign, and nobody could tax it, regulate it, do anything to it whatsoever.

[04:03] Speaker 2: That's not necessarily the case now, even with a federal land patent. The US Supreme Court has said that it's, uh, the property that's passed through le- federal land patent is subject to state regulation, state law. So, um, I just wanna put that out there. We're not claim... It goes into how, again, how you define the term allodial. The other side can use that to say, oh, look, you know, they're claiming that their title cannot be defeated by man or beast, and, you know, you can't tax it, you can't do anything to it. And that's not the case. So what we prefer to do is just avoid that term altogether, at least for, uh, this show. Alloidal title, again, depending on how you define it specifically, does exist, but I don't want to get into all those various definitions here on this show. I think it would detract from what we're trying to do here. But I'm happy to engage in that discussion at the appropriate time and place.

[05:07] Speaker 2: So, um, with those two caveats in place, uh, I, I'd like to bring on Mike and Leah. Guys, how are you doing tonight?

[05:19] Speaker 3: Hi, Mike. Thanks for having us tonight.

[05:22] Speaker 4: Hey, Michael.

[05:23] Speaker 2: Ah, always a pleasure to have you two on the show and telling us, uh, about your battles with the homestead process. So, uh, is there anything that you two would like to comment on with respect to my, my intro and the term sovereign allodial?

[05:42] Speaker 4: Um, I think you, I think you actually nailed it, that I think that's exactly what they try to do is try to, to make you... And, and this is not to discredit any sovereign citizens or any sovereign citizen movement, um, but we just have never claimed that. So we're, we're saying we don't want people tell, saying that we're sovereign citizens, but we have never claimed it. We've never done it. Some people do, and that's totally fine. Um, but...... I think they, they are doing that, just like you said, the opposing counsel said the sa- said it in some of their, um, documents, that this is a, you know, the sovereign citizen movement and it's not what we're doing, so.

[06:21] Speaker 3: We're federal land patent holders.

[06:23] Speaker 4: Correct.

[06:24] Speaker 2: Right. Right. And, uh, thank you for making that distinction. Uh, I'm not disparaging the, the sovereign citizen movement. If that's what you, you want to do, like Michael said, have at it. Uh, we just feel that it's better to withdraw from that entire argument, at least for the purposes of our legal position and what we're doing here, and I think that's a, a cleaner position to go forward on, legally anyway, and that's where we are. We're in a legal battle.

[06:52] Speaker 3: Yes.

[06:52] Speaker 2: So, uh, thank you for that, Mike. I, I appreciate that. Thank you. Anything else?

[07:00] Speaker 4: Anything else?

[07:00] Speaker 3: Nope, I think that's it.

[07:01] Speaker 4: That's it.

[07:02] Speaker 2: Okay, awesome. So then, Leah, uh, again, I told you, I'm coming to you.

[07:07] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[07:07] Speaker 2: If you could pick up where, where we left off on the last show, that would be awesome.

[07:12] Speaker 3: Well, I think the last show, we just talked about, um, the eviction date for our house, which was just this past Monday, um, the second, March second, and so we were to be evicted by 6:00 PM that night. However, the court officer did give us until the following morning, uh, 8:00 AM the next day on March third. But, I mean, we had everything out the night before. So yeah, so he showed up that morning on the third this week, and, um, came with hi- all of his, uh, dumpsters. I mean, how many dumpsters?

[07:53] Speaker 4: I don't know. I know it was two big dumpsters, but yeah.

[07:56] Speaker 3: Yep. And just started taking some of the stuff we left. We just couldn't get everything. We just didn't have... We're just running out of storage.

[08:07] Speaker 4: But, uh, I wanna interject 'cause he-

[08:10] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[08:10] Speaker 4: ... s- he did... The, the court officer has called me. He called me several times, and I just wanted to put that out there. He, he did ask me if he want, if we wanted him to move our stuff outside and then we could get it from outside, um, but we, we took the time over the last couple weeks removing anything that we really wanted, and then we left the, th- the items we did not want. So we did tell him to get... to go ahead and toss everything else that, that was there that he found, so.

[08:38] Speaker 2: Right. But is it fair to say that if you were not evicted, you still would've kept possession of those items?

[08:45] Speaker 3: Well, yes.

[08:45] Speaker 4: Absolutely.

[08:46] Speaker 3: I think we had a, we had a pretty nice couch in our basement. It was just huge, and we really had nowhere to put it, so we just had to leave it. So yeah.

[08:57] Speaker 4: Or master bedroom outfit that-

[08:59] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[08:59] Speaker 4: ... we had that we couldn't get it down, couldn't get it out.

[09:01] Speaker 3: Yeah, a really heavy duty like-

[09:03] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[09:03] Speaker 3: ... dresser and it was too heavy. We couldn't get it, but then we just didn't... We had nowhere to put it.

[09:08] Speaker 4: Yep, so we left it.

[09:09] Speaker 3: So we had to leave it. Yeah. And I ended up leaving... We had to leave every... I mean, basically in the kitchen, I almost... I mean, I left the cupboards full. I just, I... We just don't have enough space to take everything, so yeah. (laughs) When we move back in, I guess we'll have to figure that out.

[09:30] Speaker 4: Right.

[09:31] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[09:32] Speaker 2: Yeah. And you will move back in. That's just a question-

[09:34] Speaker 3: Oh, for sure.

[09:37] Speaker 2: ... from... So, um-

[09:39] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[09:39] Speaker 2: ... how... What... That must have been really tough for you guys. You've lived in that house, you built it yourselves for, you know, over 20 years you lived there. That must have been tough.

[09:49] Speaker 3: Yes. Um, you know, in fact, so we have, uh, four children and three of them we had in that home. So yeah, so the f- I mean, and the other one, the oldest, she was like two, so that's re- basically the only house she remembers as well. So it's been, you know, pretty, pretty hard on everybody, but then again, I am surprised by how well we're all doing considering. I mean, everybody's been... I mean, we're exhausted, but I do feel like we've been... The, the kids have just been great.

[10:24] Speaker 4: Yeah, they're being strong. They definitely are being strong, and I think that they know that they need to. I think they're, they're, you know... It's... This is very hard on them, but I know they're, they're, they're looking out for us and trying to make sure that things are good for us too. I, I know that's what they're doing. Very good kids.

[10:40] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[10:41] Speaker 2: Yeah. I, I had the privilege of meeting all four of them, and, and they are outstanding kids. Great, great people. You, you should be proud. As parents you did a heck of a job, both of you.

[10:52] Speaker 3: Thank you.

[10:55] Speaker 2: So this is-

[10:56] Speaker 4: But yeah-

[10:56] Speaker 2: Go ahead.

[10:58] Speaker 4: I was just gonna say, yep, we did. We built a house and moved in it in 2005 and, um, so that was the tough part. That one... S- since we've lived there for 20 years, you know, 21 years and we built it. I actually built that house and so to leave it and, uh, to, t- to be able to see people pulling up that driveway and cleaning it out, that's, that's tough.

[11:23] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[11:23] Speaker 3: You know, we also have a, a barn that's, you know, quite large, but for Mike's business, I mean, he needs to, you know... He keeps a lo- a lot of his, you know, equipment and things in there. But again, we couldn't take everything because you just run out of storage. I mean, we just... So that, I mean, it was pretty... as we were just trying to move everything and then leaving. And then, you know, there were some things we left thinking that maybe they'd be there when we got back because, you know, like, typically, you know, if somebody buys a home, like a barn, usually, like, leave a lot of the stuff in it 'cause the new person, oh, they would love to have some of that stuff, but I, I think they mighta went through and I think they threw everything away.

[12:07] Speaker 4: I think they did too.

[12:09] Speaker 3: Yeah, we, we watched them go down the driveway (laughs) a couple times, so.

[12:14] Speaker 4: Yep.

[12:15] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[12:18] Speaker 2: So in, in the law, for the audience, in, in the law, uh, you know, i- in a lawsuit typically, and I'll say 99% of the time, you're gonna have a winner and a loser. But that winner and loser is determined at the end of lawsuit, right? And sometimes things are such that, uh, th- uh, they happen before you get to the end of the lawsuit. So as in this case, uh, Mike and Leah had orders of eviction placed against them because of what happened in state court. Well, state court is superseded by federal law and the supremacy clause, specifically of the US Constitution. And that's what w- we are arguing in federal court. And there's a vehicle actually too, where you can file a motion and ask the court for a temporary restraining order and/or a preliminary injunction. And basically those are two vehicles that are, that are used to maintain the status quo, to keep things the way they are until the case is finally resolved.

[13:31] Speaker 2: And there's four things that you have to show when you ask for either the TRO or preliminary injunction. Now, a TRO is immediate, like do it right now without the other side being here, no hearing, just for a couple days until we can get everybody, both sides to hear, and then we can have a discussion about it, right? Have a conference and maybe a little hearing or something and bring in some evidence. And then that would be a preliminary injunction, and that would last a little bit longer, maybe a few weeks or a couple months, most likely until the case is finally decided. And in order to get one of those, the TRO or preliminary injunction, you have to show four things. Two of the most important are, one, a likelihood of success on the merits. In other words, we're probably gonna win this. No guarantee, but we're probably gonna win this. And the other thing is irreparable harm. In other words, if this happens, there's no way of turning back the clock.

[14:27] Speaker 2: Now, the best example of that would be the death penalty, right? Someone's due to be executed on a certain day, but they have appeal pending to see whether or not they actually did commit this crime. Well, if you let the guy die, the, the appeal doesn't matter, right? So that would be irreparable harm. But it doesn't have to be quite that bad. One of the things to show irreparable harm would be a violation of constitutional rights, right? Depending on which one. And another one, well, the one that applies to Mike and Leah, is being evicted from unique property. Both of their properties are unique. One was a former middle school. There's only one of those, actually two in the entire, uh, school district. One of them is the current middle school, the other one is the old one. There's only one of those, and they have it. So just by its nature, it's unique. And then the fact that they customized it over the course of several years, that makes it even more unique.

[15:30] Speaker 2: And then the same thing with their home. They custom-built that home. They lived in it for over 20 years. Three of their four children continue to live in it, and they would suffer irreparable harm. But yet, despite those two clear unequivocal facts and the fact that they met both of those two prongs, they were evicted. And I lay that fault squarely at the feet of the current magistrate judge, because he effectively denied th- our motion for TRO/preliminary injunction by setting a scheduling order that was past the day of the evictions. So by doing nothing, he allowed it to happen. So we're taking that up to the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals, which I understand is, is also giving me cause, uh, to pause on the complete, uh, truthfulness and veracity of what they're doing up there. But we'll see what happens. But I just wanted to let the audience know how bad this is, the fact that they were evicted from unique properties and they have a likelihood of success on the merits.

[16:42] Speaker 2: This should not have happened. This was a travesty or is a travesty of justice. And every day that they, that the court allows them to continue to be wrongfully displaced from either of their two properties, let alone both, is a travesty of justice. And it should be an outrage to everyone that's listening to this show. So Mike and Leah, any comments on that?

[17:14] Speaker 3: Yeah. No, it's, it, it is... We never thought that we would be in this position. We, we really didn't. Um, I don't know. Uh, it's been tough, but you know, I feel like the biggest, the biggest thing is the fear we had. We did have fear, but I guess that fear is gone now 'cause (laughs) now we're out. Now we're out and now, now it's just like this waiting game. And like I think I said on the other shows, it's just a paper war. It's a war on who can write the best papers. And then actually, no, it's not that, because actually, (laughs) ours are just, uh, they, case law after case law and the opposing side, they're, they're... I, I think it's just the whole system is corrupt and so I don't think it even matters what you write actually.

[18:08] Speaker 1: Right.

[18:09] Speaker 3: (laughs) What you cite. Um, but yeah, I think it's just, now it's just, "Oh, you have 28 days to, to, um, respond." And then they have 14 or 15 days to respond. It's just back and forth. And like nothing... We've been doing this since......what, January? I think- Was it January 15th when we first filed?

[18:28] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[18:29] Speaker 3: And here it is, March 5th.

[18:31] Speaker 4: March fifth, yeah.

[18:32] Speaker 3: And nothing.

[18:34] Speaker 4: And, you know, another statistic that I, I read and I can see, I-I'm starting to feel it, is they say only 12% of pro se cases, um, are... You know, they win only, only 12% of the time do, do pro se cases win. And I can see why, because there is a lot of, um... With, with- Like Leah said, with all the paperwork that everybody's doing, that we're trying to get everything and make sure we got case law after case law, make sure everything is just perfect, and then you'll get something from the opposing side and it's just like-

[19:05] Speaker 3: Perfect.

[19:05] Speaker 4: I mean some of the stuff, if people could just read some of these- the, the, the responses, it's- they're nowhere near, and they don't even, they don't even cite any cases. They cite maybe one, and we're putting 20 of them in, in our documents. It's- Um, I can see why the pro se cases usually go against pro se people, because it's- I feel like if we- you have to be an attorney to get any type of response or get any type of respect from this court system.

[19:34] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[19:35] Speaker 4: I really do.

[19:35] Speaker 3: The system is rigged, for sure.

[19:36] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[19:38] Speaker 2: I'm going to have to agree with that. And after having practiced for over 20 years, in all different levels of courts, and I'm not going to stay here and say that I was, you know, a- this great lawyer, regional lawyer who went to top law- I'm not saying that. But after 20 years, you get a sense for the type of cases or the type of lawyers that tend to prevail. And I assure you, it is not always based on merit, by far, not even close. With respect to the papers that Mike and Leah just referenced, I posted some of the documents in one of the two cases, right? We're involved with two different cases, one against Choice One Bank, and that index number is 26cv163 in the Western District of Michigan, and then the second case is, um, Dalton v. Michigan, and that case number is 26cv449, also in the Western District of Michigan.

[20:44] Speaker 2: If you have a PACER account, you can Google PACER and open your own account, if you have a credit card, and you can go and pull down all the documents in either one of those cases. However, in the last show, last week's show, uh, BBS was good enough to allow me to- allow us to post some of the documents from one of those cases, the Choice One Bank case, on that show page. And I'm going to do the same thing again for tonight, and I'll tell you the, the documents that I'm going to post is going to be only four. It's going to be the First Amended Complaint in the Choice One Bank case, as well as the bank's Motion to Dismiss, and our brief in opposition to their Motion to Dismiss. And now they'll have an opportunity to file a reply brief in opposition to our opposition and in further support of their Motion to Dismiss. I invite you to go ahead and open those documents, right? I'm going to have to wait for BBS to actually create the show page, so then I can go in and hang those documents.

[21:50] Speaker 2: So give us a couple of days before that happens. But once that happens, go in there, open the documents and read them, and compare what the bank submitted as opposed to what we submitted. And you'll see that what Mike and Leah is absolutely true. Their bank, they actually used one of their documents, this law review article. I showed that it didn't support their position at all. In fact, it actually supported our position, and yet Mike and Leah are evicted from both properties. It's unbelievable. The other case, I'm going to file the complaint itself, because we're still in the process of serving all the defendants in that case. Um, the only defendant in that case is going to be the State of Michigan. In what capacity or whose name, uh, you know, which individual is going to be used as the defendant, I leave it up to the court. I named- We named all five possible defendants in, in- for that case, and one of them is going to have to stick. Who? I'll leave it up to the court.

[22:58] Speaker 2: And then we'll go forward from there. Um, again, give us a couple of days before I post those four documents, and then when the bank submits its reply, I'll post that on this page as well. Okay. Uh, Mike and Leah, any comments on that?

[23:16] Speaker 4: Nope.

[23:16] Speaker 3: Nope.

[23:17] Speaker 2: Okay. So then I'm going to go back to Leah. Uh, we were waiting for the eviction, that happened. Um, what about the future? Where are we going?

[23:28] Speaker 3: Well, I- Now I want to just talk about- So yesterday, um, on the 4th, March 4th, um, they gave us the opportunity to go back to our community center to get the remaining items. Um, so yesterday, we worked all day. I mean, how many guys we had- So we had our son- Well, we had all of our kids, um, and then our daughter's boyfriend and then our- one of our really good friends, Shane, I have to say his name, because he has been like our rock. He's like our best friend. I just have to put that out here that we just thank him (laughs) so much for everything he does for us. Um, but yeah, and then we hired a crew of- quite a few. So we had- we- and it was- So we, we were not only moving out one business, it was really like three businesses. So we, like we said before, our daughter's coffee shop was in there, so-... I mean, all of the equipment. I mean, we had just finished it, you know. It was fully decorated. I mean, pictures on the wall, like, everything fully ready.

[24:37] Speaker 3: Uh, s- you know, new refrigerators, freezers, espresso, espresso machine, um, ice machine.

[24:45] Speaker 4: Very interesting.

[24:45] Speaker 3: Like, fully, fully ready. Uh, so, and we had to, (laughs) we had to go in and move that out, and then, you know, and then of course, L and M, which is, you know, on this case, um, uh, or in the state, state court, and then, uh, my husband's, uh, construction business. So we, we did the best we could. We were told we were gonna have three days to, you know, to get the stuff out. But then the court officer, I don't know, he was really starting to rush us and he wanted everything out of the building so he could lock it and then, you know, we still have, we still have until, what, Sunday-

[25:24] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[25:24] Speaker 3: ... to go back. Anything that we got out of the building, we still have time to go back and get that stuff.

[25:30] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[25:31] Speaker 3: Um, so yeah. It's been, (sighs) it's been tiring.

[25:36] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[25:38] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[25:39] Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, and, and there's so many things we couldn't get, though. I mean, this, this building, you know, our building that we talk about here, it's, it's, it's, it's very big. It's 60... So it's be- somewhere between 60,000 and 70,000 square feet. It's a big building. So, and we, we've accumulated a lot of stuff over the last eight years of owning that, and it's a... We had to leave a lot of, a lot of stuff. Just a lot of, like I, like Leah said, I have a construction company and we have, so just so much lumber and so many...

[26:13] Speaker 3: Siding, like-

[26:14] Speaker 4: Siding tools. Yeah, there's-

[26:16] Speaker 3: Just-

[26:16] Speaker 4: Yeah. There were, I mean, anything, who knows anything about siding, there's probably a, you know, 80 square of siding there. It's a lot of (laughs) there's a lot of stuff. I just don't... I have nowhere to put it. And it doesn't really make sense for me to go pay for storage somewhere to, to store this stuff, because I don't know if this is gonna be a, you know, a month or couple months. I don't, we don't know how, how long it's gonna be, so... We made the choice just to leave most of, you know... Honestly, it's most the stuff. We, we, we took less than what we left. So it's, uh... It was... This week was...

[26:50] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[26:50] Speaker 4: This was a tough week.

[26:51] Speaker 3: Very tough.

[26:52] Speaker 4: Very tough week. May- maybe had 14, 15 people yesterday, moving, moving stuff out, so... Yep. Interesting.

[27:04] Speaker 2: And, and if I may, I just wanna use, you know, what you're going through here, your sentiments. I mean, I've been in the position where you are now. I've been given 20 minutes to pack a bag or whatever you can grab, and get out of the house, or you'll be taken to jail, all based on lies and fraudulent papers and everything. I know what it's like to be evicted. And unfortunately, Mike and Leah now know as well. Twice over, two different properties. Which is why, not too long ago, several weeks ago, I was very vocal and very critical of someone that I believed, I knew was giving bad information that would lead to people being evicted. And having personal knowledge with that, and this being, like, my passion, trying to get people free and clear in their lands, and the wrong decision could really create legal hurdles for us, I, I was very vocal in that. Now, some people say that I was too vocal, I was wrong. It... I don't care what judgment you, you lay on me.

[28:16] Speaker 2: I will take it all, because they can all be justified one way or another. I will take all the criticism and all the accolade anyone wishes to lay on me for the way I spoke and how I said it and what I said, et cetera, in that one show. But please understand my position. It was all in, in order to prevent other people from having to go through what I went through, personally, and what now Mike and Leah have gone through. And you've heard their story, and you could see how it just turned your life upside down. And they still have to try and fight these legal battles, right? It's not easy to do. Plus, they have to maintain their businesses, and we haven't even gotten into that part yet. So, thank you both for being so open about s- just some, because I'm sure this just touches, you know, the, it hits the wave tops and doesn't begin to address the depth of your pain and, and what you're going through. Um, and like the law says, it's a vocal, i- irretrievable harm. You can't fix this.

[29:23] Speaker 2: Money will not fix this. So I just put that out there. Understand that this, what they explained, is what I was trying to prevent in that one show. So, that said, um... I lost what I was gonna say. So, that's okay. Um, take us back to the legal fight. What's the posture now? Has it changed?

[29:55] Speaker 4: Well, I, um, I'll rewind it just a little bit, Michael, because I know last week, you got pretty, um, I mean, you were, it was pretty intense. And you, you know, you were upset about a certain person, you know, a certain judge. And the, the, the legal, um... Just working with this court, like, I don't know if we told you guys. I don't know. We, we were starting to get calls to try, try to get ahold of somebody at that level, at that federal, just our, our circuit court, the federal level. Or, you know, the-... with our, our judge, and they wouldn't even answer our call. Well, they answered the first time we called, the second time we called, and then after they got some more of our documents, then they stopped answering, and we'd leave a message and nobody would even call you back. So, um, we are hoping that when this now we go to the next level, that we'll at least be able to talk to people that are professional, people who will at least return your phone calls.

[30:54] Speaker 4: To this day, we left three messages, and to this day, we've never received a phone call back. Never. So, um ...

[31:03] Speaker 5: Yeah. It's just, like, well, you, like you said, pro se. I think they just, they treat pro se differently.

[31:09] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[31:10] Speaker 5: You know, if the attorney, if it was an attorney that called, they would definitely call them back.

[31:14] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[31:14] Speaker 5: But pro se, nope.

[31:16] Speaker 4: Yup.

[31:16] Speaker 5: Nope.

[31:17] Speaker 4: And it's not like this is, this is a small matter, you know? This is, this is an eviction, and we, this is what we were trying to avoid is this, right now where we're at, and they've ... (laughs) They couldn't even get a return phone call. It's not like you can just go, go drive there and, and go talk to somebody. It does- doesn't work that way.

[31:39] Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, and I understand what you're saying. I also understand, to some extent, the court's position, right, because they don't want to be viewed as having an ex parte conversation, meaning that they only talk to one side, not the other side, and the other side starts getting worried maybe they're, they're cutting a deal, whatever. But that usually comes out in the substance of the decisions, the orders that the court renders, right, if they're biased or if they're acting in bad faith. But a, a common courtesy call, return of a call by a clerk or somebody that is not involved in the decision-making process, uh, that's, th- there's no reason why you can't do that.

[32:21] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[32:21] Speaker 2: You know, and just explain that, "Look, I'm not allowed to have ex parte conversations," or, or conference in the other side, if that's what they're worried about, you know. Uh, but yeah, I, I certainly feel, as well as some, some legal issues that occurred to me personally yesterday and again today, the legal system is so far removed from personal contact with people, it's ridiculous. I had fraudulent ex, you know, papers, or excuse me, because of an ex parte, only one side, filing of papers with the court, it was based on fraudulent loan application. People were knocking at the door trying to take property that wasn't theirs, you know? It, it's just ... And, and they wouldn't even give me a copy of the order or the warrant that they allegedly had. It's, it's completely ridiculous. The whole system needs to go. I'm sorry. We need a better system.

[33:24] Speaker 4: Yes. We totally agree.

[33:27] Speaker 2: So I, I will put out there, we, we only have five minutes, uh, so maybe we should just wrap it up here and we'll save the rest for next week's show. Um, again, sorry for the, the disconnect, folks. Eh, this is gonna be a, a short show this week, but we'll make up for it next week with the content. Also, wanted to let you know that sometimes, the, like last week, if we have a lot of content to put out there, we'll go two hours, uh, with S- BBS's permission, of course, if they can do it, and sometimes that's gonna require for us to go from channel one to channel two. So if we're in the middle of a show and you don't hear, you know, the outro m- music, uh, that, that's, will be why, because we switched to channel two. So just remember that, switch to channel two, and we'll be able to keep going with the show.

[34:17] Speaker 2: I wanted to, to tell you all that that was, that was about to happen last week, but I had the wrong screen, so I couldn't see the messages coming from BBS trying to give me a heads-up. So again, that was all my fault. I apologize. I'll try and do a better job going forward down the road. So, um, okay, before I sign off, I'm gonna just give it back to Mike and Leah. Any real quick, uh, comments?

[34:44] Speaker 4: Yeah. Michael, I'm just excited to, uh ... I'm hoping here in the next week, two weeks, three weeks, we wanna give some good, positive information that people hope ... I'm hoping we can be positive and have a, have a good story and a success, 'cause I feel like people are listening like, "Come on, what, what's going on? Let's get to this. Are we gonna be able, are we gonna win this or what?"

[35:02] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[35:02] Speaker 4: Right now it's all doom and gloom, so it's gotta get better, so ...

[35:06] Speaker 2: It will get better. I assure you it will get better. But, you know, remember, l- like I said last week, this is an elephant. And how do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time, right?

[35:14] Speaker 4: Yep, yeah.

[35:14] Speaker 2: So unfortunately, we were required to start with the tail, and working from that end-

[35:20] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[35:21] Speaker 2: ... of the elephant up. We didn't start with, with the good choice meats. But we will win eventually. Remember W- World War II? It took several years before we got the upper hand and started really carrying the fight and controlling the battlefield. Well, I suspect the same is gonna happen here. Eh, eh, it's gonna be a long fight, but we will win, I guarantee you. With that, uh, look for the information, look for the papers, spread the word about this fight, because this will be the biggest civil rights/property fight in the history of this country. We will be free again. With that, I thank Mike and Leah for joining us, and, uh, I also thank BBS for its ultimate, consummate, uh, professionalism, and Don, please take it away.

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