[00:00] Speaker 1: (Instrumental music plays) Welcome, welcome, welcome everyone, to Whiplash Talk. This is Sunshine. I am so excited to be here today with you and to just share life, life experiences, synchronicities, and my good friend, Rob. Rob, are you here?

[01:37] Speaker 2: Uh, I'm here.

[01:39] Speaker 1: Woo-hoo!

[01:40] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[01:40] Speaker 1: I'm sharing you with the Whiplash world.

[01:42] Speaker 2: I d- w- I don't know where here is, though.

[01:44] Speaker 1: I know, right? What- what is here?

[01:46] Speaker 2: Yeah, like, may-

[01:47] Speaker 1: Like now?

[01:47] Speaker 2: How do I even-

[01:47] Speaker 1: Like now? It's now. (laughs)

[01:47] Speaker 2: Actually, ............................ We don't, we don't even know if we're on the same Earth or it's a holographic, you know, replica ... Here? Where is here? (laughs)

[01:55] Speaker 1: Here. Well, I'm gonna say here for me now, now-

[01:59] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[01:59] Speaker 1: ... is my self-created animation system.

[02:02] Speaker 2: Yeah. That's pretty much what it is. I, I'm having trouble distinguishing between, uh, (laughs) the alien-generated holographic version and New Earth, but I, I'm getting better at, uh, at deciphering when I'm on them.

[02:15] Speaker 1: (laughs) Eh, I don't know. Sometimes, like, if it's going bad, I'm gonna blame it on the aliens, whether it was my, my mistake or not.

[02:22] Speaker 2: Yeah. (laughs)

[02:24] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[02:25] Speaker 2: It's, it's, it's always the aliens.

[02:27] Speaker 1: It's always them.

[02:28] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[02:28] Speaker 1: It's never me. It's never me. (laughs)

[02:31] Speaker 2: No. (laughs)

[02:32] Speaker 1: No. (laughs) No.

[02:32] Speaker 2: Well, that's, that's actually true, 'cause more, more than likely, it's your past. I mean- (laughs)

[02:36] Speaker 1: It's very true, right?

[02:37] Speaker 2: Your spirit, your spirit in the moment, it's never you. It's usually, uh, a program that's, that's running the ship a lot of the times, right?

[02:44] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[02:45] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[02:45] Speaker 1: Or the DNA. Yeah.

[02:45] Speaker 2: So, so what you got for us?

[02:48] Speaker 1: Well, I've got a really cool synchronicity. It takes ... s- synchronicity, but it takes a little bit of a story. You want it now, or you want it later?

[02:54] Speaker 2: Uh, story time. Let's do it.

[02:56] Speaker 1: Okay, let's do it. Okay, so I was at a store the other day, and (sighs) I, I would call it, like, a feed store, but I don't know what everybody calls it all around the, you know, the world. But it's where you go get your feed supplies for, like, farm animals or your pets or whatever. So you've got hay and-

[03:19] Speaker 2: I call it McDonald's. (laughs)

[03:22] Speaker 1: (laughs) Right?

[03:23] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[03:24] Speaker 1: So you go there, and you know, you get everything. You get your gardening supplies. You know, they had baby chicks. It was so fun. So anyway, I went there the other day, and I was getting cat litter and cat food for, you know, my fur people.

[03:38] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[03:39] Speaker 1: And when I was walking in, I noticed there were some spring bedding plants there, and I'm like, "Oh, man." It made me long for my gardens back in Oklahoma, and I'm like, "Dang. Man, I'm gonna have to get to another place where I can get some dirt. I need to get my hands and my feet in the dirt. I need to ground, you know, my ground."

[03:57] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[03:58] Speaker 1: And so, it just, it was just a, just a passing thought as I walked in, and, and just kept walking. And I gathered up my stuff and got in line to check out at the registers, the cash registers, and a new register opened up, and the lady called me over there. And so I, whoop, you know, first in line, pulled over there, and, and, uh, started to check out. And we struck up a conversation like I always do. I always talk to people. Shocker, right?

[04:24] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[04:24] Speaker 1: So (laughs) so I was talking, and we were just sharing, sharing about life, and you know, and then the question came up, "What brought you here?" And so, not to go through the whole thing, I just went through the, you know, shared about Mom, and shared about Bill, and then shared about, you know, the work story, just, just a 30,000-foot flyover. I can share that with you.

[04:46] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[04:46] Speaker 1: And, uh, and she said, she said that, "Well, I'm a widow." "I'm a widow, too." And I'm like ... It kind of slapped me in the face, right? Because nobody has ever acknowledged and validated my relationship with Bill because it was a partnership. It wasn't a marriage.

[05:04] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[05:04] Speaker 1: And I was like, "Wow." I mean, straight to the heart. I mean, straight-

[05:09] Speaker 2: What-

[05:09] Speaker 1: Sweet, beautiful-

[05:10] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[05:10] Speaker 1: ... straight to the heart, right? And so, I was like, "Wow." Um, and so we kept talking, and she said, and, and of course, this doesn't appeal to me because I'm the one that likes to stay in the house, but, but she said, "You know, uh, there's a widows group. Th- they all get together. They're, they're a lot older, but there's a lot of widows here, and sometimes we get together for lunch," and blah, blah, blah, and, uh, we kept talking, and then she was walking me out to help me load the stuff in my car, as they do at this particular place. And, um ... Well, let me, let me back up. I, I don't know if that really hit. When she acknowledged the, the widow part, uh, it, it was like, "Wow, I hadn't even, I hadn't even thought of that," right?

[05:54] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[05:54] Speaker 1: Because it was just the programmed.

[05:56] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[05:57] Speaker 1: And a side note would be that work ...... would not allow me to use funeral leave for Bill's funeral that was in another state from where I lived.

[06:07] Speaker 2: Oh, really?

[06:08] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. Wouldn't allow me.

[06:09] Speaker 2: Because, because you guys weren't married?

[06:11] Speaker 1: We were not married. Mm-hmm.

[06:12] Speaker 2: Oh, my god.

[06:13] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[06:13] Speaker 2: Wrong choice of words, sorry. Oh, my source.

[06:15] Speaker 1: Oh, my s- (laughs)

[06:17] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[06:18] Speaker 1: That's hilarious. Um, but, but to their credit, they did, they did work with me to allow me to go, but it wasn't like a funeral leave, you know, situation, you know, whatever. How many, however many days I could've had, I couldn't have had.

[06:34] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[06:34] Speaker 1: I didn't get as many days, right?

[06:36] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[06:36] Speaker 1: So, so we were walking out to my car. We're back at the feed store now. We were walking out to my car and she goes, "Well, you know, come back and see me soon." And she goes, "I'll meet, I'll introduce you to my friend." She goes, "But I'm so busy." She's like, "I can do it right now." She goes, "I'm so busy, I'm the lawn and garden manager here at this particular facility," right? But she says, "Come by and visit and, you know, I'll connect you, and there's a lot in the area, and my name is blank." I'm not gonna say the name.

[07:01] Speaker 2: Okay.

[07:02] Speaker 1: And, and I said-

[07:02] Speaker 2: I thought that was the synchronicity. She's coming to you like-

[07:04] Speaker 1: No, no, no, no.

[07:05] Speaker 2: ... "My name's Bill."

[07:05] Speaker 1: It is. The name, the name is, but I'm not gonna say the name.

[07:07] Speaker 2: Okay. (laughs)

[07:08] Speaker 1: You'll understand why.

[07:09] Speaker 2: Okay.

[07:10] Speaker 1: And literally, I almost did a double whiplash, like psh- wh-

[07:14] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[07:14] Speaker 1: Did you say blank? And then I spelled it the way it's spelled.

[07:20] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[07:21] Speaker 1: And she said, "Yes." And tears, crocodile tears, just welled up in my eyes. And I, and I choked it, I choked it back and I said, "My mother's name was Blah."

[07:36] Speaker 2: Ah.

[07:38] Speaker 1: My mother loved to garden.

[07:40] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[07:40] Speaker 1: My mother loved flowers. Every time the first spring flowers came out, she would always share with me. It was so hard to resist, but I know we're gonna get more frost, so I didn't buy any, you know, that kinda thing. And-

[07:52] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[07:52] Speaker 1: And I'd shared with her at the register while we were checking out that my mom and I would always rescue plants from, um, retail facilities that probably would not get people that knew how to take care of them. So like, orchids, we would see orchids at like, um, Wally World, I'll leave it at that.

[08:13] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[08:13] Speaker 1: And we'd be like, "Oh, crap. They're doomed. They're doomed." Right?

[08:16] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[08:17] Speaker 1: And so we'd call it, we would call it, we were on rescue missions. We would buy orchids, um, and take 'em home like we needed another one, right?

[08:24] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[08:24] Speaker 1: And, and we'd take them home to rescue them, because we knew that they, it was impending doom. They were gonna die. They were gonna be killed. And, and then I shared with her the story of the tree that I rescued, because, you know, I witnessed-

[08:35] Speaker 2: Oh, nice.

[08:35] Speaker 1: Yeah. So I shared that one too. And then I'm walking out and I'm like, I'm like... Here this woman, about the same height, same color hair, um, and we, we just, it was just, it was magical. I was like, unbelievable.

[08:57] Speaker 2: That's amazing.

[08:58] Speaker 1: That's an- It's not a, it's not a, it's not like a Sue or a Beth name. It's not like, it's not a normal, common name.

[09:03] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[09:03] Speaker 1: Uh, yeah. And spelled the same way.

[09:06] Speaker 2: That's awesome.

[09:07] Speaker 1: Isn't that cool?

[09:08] Speaker 2: I love when stuff like that happens.

[09:09] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[09:10] Speaker 2: Can, can I tell you a joke that's dedicated to your mom, 'cause it's something you told me about her one time?

[09:14] Speaker 1: Yes.

[09:15] Speaker 2: I hope, I hope I, I hope I do the joke justice.

[09:18] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[09:18] Speaker 2: 'Cause I, I did, I said it one time, and I said it incorrectly and I had to re-record the whole show. But (laughs) still, um...

[09:26] Speaker 1: Okay, so we'll just timestamp it, we'll do it again. So just remember, we may have to have Thomas save us. Go ahead.

[09:31] Speaker 2: I, I'm sure I can get through it, but-

[09:32] Speaker 1: Or T. Sorry.

[09:32] Speaker 2: I'm sure I could get through... I'm sure-

[09:34] Speaker 1: Timestamp that, T. All right?

[09:36] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[09:36] Speaker 1: Of course.

[09:36] Speaker 2: Timestamp.

[09:37] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[09:37] Speaker 2: Um...

[09:38] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[09:38] Speaker 2: Uh, so, so, uh, anyways, there's this guy. Um, he's walking down the street and he had a bit of a rough day, and he sees this small little bar and the music's just bumping and he said, "Geez, what's going on?" He said, you know, "It seems out of place, like, it seems really rowdy in there." So he, he opens the door, and the place is just bustling. It seems like it's a scene out of a movie. There's people playing pool and dancing by the jukebox. And up by the bar, there's a whole group of people, uh, gathered around this, this one person, and he can't really see what's going on.

[10:08] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[10:08] Speaker 2: And so he goes up and orders a beer, and asks the guy, um, the, the bartender, you know, "What's going on over there?"

[10:15] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[10:16] Speaker 2: And he's, the bartender's like, "Oh, that's a genie." Um, and so he's granting everybody one wish, and he's like, "But for some reason, he only grants you one wish." And so he's not, you know, typical genie three wishes, just one wish.

[10:26] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[10:27] Speaker 2: So be selective. And so the guy's like, "All right." And eventually, you know, he kinda waits in line and wiggles his way in and he talks to the genie, and the genie's like, "One wish. Your wish is my command."

[10:37] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[10:37] Speaker 2: And you know, it's loud in there, so he's like, he whispers it into his ear. He's like, "Psst." And the genie's like, "Really?" And he's like, "Yeah." Psst.

[10:49] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[10:49] Speaker 2: And so he's, the, the genie kinda looks, looks at him strange and is like, "That's your one wish?" (laughs)

[10:55] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[10:55] Speaker 2: So he's like, "All right. Your wish is my command." And poof! A big puff of smoke. And as the smoke settles, up on the bar, there's this beautiful little baby grand piano.

[11:08] Speaker 1: Ugh (laughs) .

[11:08] Speaker 2: And a guy in a tuxedo, about one foot tall.

[11:11] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[11:11] Speaker 2: Just tickling the ivories.

[11:13] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[11:13] Speaker 2: And, and the guy looks at the genie, and the genie looks back at him and, "What?" And the guy says, "Why would I want a 12-inch pianist?"

[11:21] Speaker 1: (laughs) Oh, God. I cannot believe you did that on the show.

[11:26] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[11:26] Speaker 1: That's hilarious. Oh my gosh. (laughs) Yes, my mother was a concert pianist.

[11:34] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[11:34] Speaker 1: We will leave it at that. Yes.

[11:35] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[11:36] Speaker 1: Yes. (laughs) Oh my gosh.

[11:40] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[11:40] Speaker 1: Yes. My mom, she was awesome.

[11:44] Speaker 2: I want, would she have liked that joke?

[11:46] Speaker 1: She would've laughed.

[11:47] Speaker 2: Yeah?

[11:47] Speaker 1: My mom was pretty cool. As long as you didn't drop the F bomb, she was pretty cool.

[11:51] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[11:51] Speaker 1: The F bomb was quite offensive, yeah. It was just her, her era.

[11:56] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[11:58] Speaker 1: Yeah. She was pretty awesome. She, um, I don't know if I ever told this story on the show, but she...... had this Lincoln, and it wasn't the SUV. It was before she got the SUV, so she had, like, a, a, like a, a sedan. I don't know what you would call it. Yeah. Lincoln Town Car, but it wasn't a Town Car. So, she had her car, and she saw, she looked over, and she saw just when this girl was caught by this guy, she was riding a bicycle as fast as she could, a, uh, adult young lady.

[12:30] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[12:31] Speaker 1: And, um, she was knocked over on her bike, and he took the bike and threw it away, and then just started, I mean, literally, wailing, punching on this girl.

[12:39] Speaker 2: Oh, no.

[12:40] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. And this is my mom. My mom's all, all of, what, five foot three, five foot four?

[12:44] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[12:45] Speaker 1: And she jumps the curb with her car, and she gets out and honks the horn, and she opens her door, and she says, "Get off of her!" You know, that kind of thing. And they're both stunned. They're both like, "Wha- wha- what?" You know, and everything. And, and she goes, "I mean it." You know? I mean, this is my mom. You know what I mean? She's just rarr.

[13:00] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[13:01] Speaker 1: And, uh, but she's the most gentle, sweet, uh, being. Oh, she's just lovely. But, uh, yeah, she ended up giving... The girl was so concerned about, you know, her bicycle, and Mom put it in the trunk, and, and, uh, she was so concerned to be, about being late for work, you know, "I'm, I'm always gonna be in tr- I'm always in trouble because I'm always late because of this person," and blah, blah, blah. And so mom made sure that she went in and told them, you know, that, that, um, she didn't disclose what happened, but, you know, she has a very good reason on why she was late, and he was very good about not hitting in places where you could see where the abuse was, if you know what I mean.

[13:35] Speaker 2: Oh.

[13:36] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[13:36] Speaker 2: That's heartbreaking.

[13:37] Speaker 1: It's heartbreaking, but my mom, I'm like, "Mom."

[13:41] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[13:42] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[13:42] Speaker 2: But she just, she just did what was right.

[13:46] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[13:46] Speaker 2: And there's not a lot of people in the world that do that anymore, so way to go, Mamacita. (laughs) And doing it in the moment without hesitation, too, you know

[13:54] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.

[13:55] Speaker 2: Um, and, and I think it, it... Well, like, you've mentioned a little bit about your, your childhood and, you know, maybe-

[14:00] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[14:01] Speaker 2: Um, f- I think f- when I moved to the big city, too, it was, um, it, it was strange for me, because, you know, half my family was from a, a very small town with, like, I think in its heyday it had 2,000 people.

[14:13] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[14:13] Speaker 2: And, uh, nowadays, it, it only has 360 people, I think. But-

[14:16] Speaker 1: Wow.

[14:17] Speaker 2: ... so I spent a lot of time out, out there, and then-

[14:19] Speaker 1: Right.

[14:19] Speaker 2: ... you know, in a, in a d- you know, bigger, decent-sized city, not a, a major metropolis or anything like that-

[14:25] Speaker 1: Right, right, right.

[14:25] Speaker 2: ... but, you know, 160,000 people. But, um, when I came to Toronto, it was... It seemed so, so different to me, because it seemed so impersonal, right? Like, I remember-

[14:35] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[14:35] Speaker 2: ... this, there was this one day I was getting off the bus starting a new job, and, um, and we're all walking across the street, and I see this lady, uh, and I know all, there, like, literally a huge intersection in a major metropolis.

[14:48] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[14:48] Speaker 2: This lady gets hit by a car, and she was walking across the, um, the intersection-

[14:53] Speaker 1: Mm.

[14:53] Speaker 2: ... and the car, like, took her out at her legs. Like, it went-

[14:55] Speaker 1: Ooh.

[14:55] Speaker 2: I think it thought it had a right, right-hand turn here.

[14:57] Speaker 1: Now go, don't go into too many details, because some of us that are really, really sensitive, this will stick with us forever, so just-

[15:03] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

[15:03] Speaker 1: ... highlights, highlights.

[15:03] Speaker 2: So timeline, crash it after.

[15:04] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.

[15:05] Speaker 2: But-

[15:05] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.

[15:05] Speaker 2: ... it, it wasn't, it wasn't gory, but it was, it wasn't like she got bumped by the car, like, it-

[15:09] Speaker 1: Right.

[15:09] Speaker 2: ... hit, hit her legs, and she did a back-

[15:11] Speaker 1: It wasn't, like, it, it wasn't a love kiss. It wasn't a love kiss.

[15:12] Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Like, it was like, wah.

[15:13] Speaker 1: Okay. We'll leave it like that. Wow.

[15:14] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[15:15] Speaker 1: We'll leave it at that.

[15:15] Speaker 2: Like, she wasn't severely injured or mangled or anything, so don't get any in- negative pictures. She was all right. But it hit her hard. She did a backflip, like, over the hood, and so it was enough, like-

[15:24] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[15:24] Speaker 2: ... it was enough that, like-

[15:24] Speaker 1: No details.

[15:26] Speaker 2: Okay, sorry.

[15:27] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[15:27] Speaker 2: (laughs) W- uh, the, the point I'm trying to make is, like-

[15:30] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[15:30] Speaker 2: ... it, it, it was, like, it was something, like... And I didn't even hesitate, like, you know, there was probably two buses of people. There was, like, 30 people standing i- on my corner. There was-

[15:40] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[15:40] Speaker 2: ... cars all around. I ran across, like, four, five lanes of traffic-

[15:44] Speaker 1: Right.

[15:45] Speaker 2: ... uh, and, and to, to make sure this lady was okay, and I was the only one aside from one other lady that was close by that went to see, and everybody else kinda just, like, didn't care, you know? And I was like-

[15:55] Speaker 1: Clones.

[15:55] Speaker 2: What's that?

[15:56] Speaker 1: Clones.

[15:57] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

[15:58] Speaker 1: Different clones.

[15:58] Speaker 2: Um, and, and so it was like-

[16:00] Speaker 1: Wow.

[16:00] Speaker 2: ... it, but that made me realize. I was like, "Oh, like, life is different here." (laughs)

[16:04] Speaker 1: Life is different in the city, yeah.

[16:06] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[16:07] Speaker 1: Yeah. You're like, "This is not the self-animated, uh..." What is it?

[16:12] Speaker 2: A- cre- animation creation system? (laughs)

[16:15] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[16:15] Speaker 2: Or self-animation creation system.

[16:17] Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah, I'm like (laughs) I just, I can't. I just blanked out on it. Yeah.

[16:20] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[16:20] Speaker 1: Yeah. I used to have, um, a couple of things that my mom gave me. It was really cute. It was like, um, it was a picture of a little girl where they just, like, made little angel wings out of, like, you know, nylons, you know? You put, take a hanger, make kind of a little circle, and you know, cover it with nylons. Poof, you have angel wings, right? And you tie it on.

[16:39] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[16:40] Speaker 1: And it's the picture of the little girl with the back. And so it's definitely handmade, and it says, "What if I fall?" And the answer is, "Oh," comma, "but my darling, what if you fly?"

[16:52] Speaker 2: Yeah. (laughs)

[16:53] Speaker 1: And I'm, I'm like, that was totally like her. And then the other one w- I've used on the f- on the show before recently, I think, that, um, you know, if somebody offends you or, you know, somebody doesn't like you or somebody, you know, judges you or whatever, just fluff up your tutu and dance away.

[17:08] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

[17:10] Speaker 1: So, yeah.

[17:10] Speaker 2: It's true.

[17:11] Speaker 1: She was... It's true. Yeah.

[17:12] Speaker 2: It's true.

[17:12] Speaker 1: She's totally like that.

[17:14] Speaker 2: And, and I think that that, you know, um, doing that is difficult, because, um, you know, f- growing, having... It's ingrained in my DNA, and I'm transcending that, what other people think, because-

[17:25] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[17:25] Speaker 2: ... having that small town, um, you know, my-

[17:27] Speaker 1: Yes.

[17:28] Speaker 2: Part of my family owned a couple businesses, a hotel, a diner and gas station.

[17:32] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[17:32] Speaker 2: And what other people thought was very important. Um-

[17:35] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[17:36] Speaker 2: So that was like, because it was part of the business in a small town, you want to make sure you have a good reputation.

[17:41] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[17:41] Speaker 2: And that, that, uh, that's tough, you know? That, that's, that's j- jammed in you generationally in your DNA and, um-

[17:47] Speaker 1: So true.

[17:47] Speaker 2: ... in your epigenetic recording system. So myself personally, um, I'm, I've been working, you know, a lot, a lot o- on that, uh, the past few years.

[17:57] Speaker 1: Yeah, same. S- especially being in the career that I was in and as, as high as I climbed, I was, you know, in, I'm, I mean, I'm doing interviews with the media, and I'm doing, you know, working with big developers and stuff, and it's like you kinda have to... And then having-Well, I probably shouldn't say that, but, um, being very recognizable in public.

[18:18] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[18:19] Speaker 1: I, I used to joke with my mom, I'm like, "I can't even pick my nose in public," like-

[18:23] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[18:23] Speaker 1: ... I'll get, I'll get busted because I don't blend in.

[18:26] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[18:26] Speaker 1: And, um, but yeah, I, I too have had to battle that because it's like, "Well, what will they think?" And now, now I'm kind of like, "Pfft, thank you."

[18:36] Speaker 2: How d- how do you find it, like, I'll be honest with you-

[18:39] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[18:39] Speaker 2: ... where I am now, I don't have-

[18:40] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[18:41] Speaker 2: ... um, I, I, like, you know, there's not a lot of people I know here, I have a little bit of family.

[18:44] Speaker 1: Right.

[18:45] Speaker 2: Um, but I love being nobody. (laughs)

[18:49] Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. Yes. Same.

[18:51] Speaker 2: I just love it.

[18:52] Speaker 1: Same.

[18:53] Speaker 2: You know?

[18:53] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[18:53] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[18:53] Speaker 1: Same. That's kind of what I've created here, is just like, okay, I'm just, I'm just me.

[18:59] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[18:59] Speaker 1: And, you know, changed the way I dress and, you know, I'm, I'm not doing the high heel shoes, as my mama would say in her southern accent, "My high heel shoes and howdy coat." I'm not doing that, you know? Meaning, you know, she's gonna go, if somebody is like, um, causing a problem, "Do I need to put on my high heel shoes and howdy coat and go take care of that?" You know? (laughs) I'm like, "Yeah, Mama, get 'im." You know?

[19:22] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[19:22] Speaker 1: So, so yeah, I don't, I don't do high heel shoes and howdy coat anymore.

[19:27] Speaker 2: (laughs) No? Y- that's not your thing?

[19:29] Speaker 1: Not my thing, no. No. In fact, probably my favorite thing is a pair of overalls now, so, (laughs) that's pretty awesome. It's like, I kinda like overalls. Now I know why my grandpa liked them so much. They're just fabulous, so.

[19:43] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's, you know, that's a thing too for me, there was a point in my life where I was like so concerned about that, like, I w- I wouldn't leave the house without like, you know, nice dark jeans and a sport coat, and like my hair done, and like-

[19:56] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[19:56] Speaker 2: ... and my buddy-

[19:56] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[19:56] Speaker 2: ... was like, "Why are you always dressed up like that," you know? And I, and I said-

[19:59] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[20:00] Speaker 2: ... "What if I meet the girl of my dreams-"

[20:02] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[20:02] Speaker 2: "... and, and, you know, I'm not, like-"

[20:03] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[20:04] Speaker 2: "... looking good?" And h- and he was like-

[20:05] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[20:06] Speaker 2: He said, uh, he's like, "Well, then I don't think she'd be the girl of your dreams." And I was like, "That's a good point." (laughs)

[20:10] Speaker 1: Really good point. Yeah, exactly.

[20:12] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[20:12] Speaker 1: Exactly.

[20:12] Speaker 2: 'Cause I'm not gonna be dressed like this all the time, you know? Like-

[20:15] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[20:15] Speaker 2: But I, I, yeah, like s- that's, that's so much, like, you know, not to say that image isn't important, but it isn't. (laughs) 'Cause-

[20:23] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[20:23] Speaker 2: But like-

[20:24] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[20:24] Speaker 2: ... you, you know, you obviously gotta dress to how you wanna feel, so I'm not saying that you should.

[20:28] Speaker 1: Exactly.

[20:28] Speaker 2: But, but like I really don't-

[20:30] Speaker 1: Exactly.

[20:30] Speaker 2: ... care so much anymore, like, you know-

[20:32] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[20:32] Speaker 2: ... I'm out there hiking in sn- s- snow boots and, and ski pants, and-

[20:36] Speaker 1: Yep.

[20:36] Speaker 2: ... three toques on, and, you know, I just don't care. I used to be so-

[20:39] Speaker 1: Exactly.

[20:39] Speaker 2: ... so concerned what the outside world thought.

[20:41] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[20:41] Speaker 2: And now I'm, now when I'm really understanding that the kingdom is within, I just don't care. I just-

[20:46] Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a really good point. I know, um, a lot of ladies, I can speak for myself, but in the workforce that I was in, you know, your nails were done, your toes were done, you know?

[21:00] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[21:00] Speaker 1: Your brows were done, you know, everything was done, and it's like, "I'm done."

[21:05] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[21:05] Speaker 1: "I'm done."

[21:06] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[21:06] Speaker 1: It was so expensive.

[21:08] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[21:08] Speaker 1: I mean, it was so expensive to keep up with having your toes polished, and, you know, and, and your pedicure, and having your nails done, and, and all of that. And, and it's like, it's still a nice treat, but, um, uh-oh, both cats just woke up. That's their, that's their key word for dinner.

[21:26] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[21:27] Speaker 1: (laughs) But, uh, yeah. It, it got quite expensive. And I'm like, "You know what? I like that." And, you know, it's, it's fun t- it's fun to dress up, and, and to go out to a nice dinner or whatever. But, um, yeah. Yeah. If they really wanna meet the real me, well, here's an e- then, then it's jeans. It's j- like right now, I have on leggings and a hoodie.

[21:53] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[21:54] Speaker 1: That's me. Yeah.

[21:56] Speaker 2: I've got two pairs of jogging pants and jeans on, so.

[21:58] Speaker 1: Right. (laughs)

[22:00] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[22:00] Speaker 1: Right. (laughs)

[22:01] Speaker 2: Still, still, still wintry up here.

[22:02] Speaker 1: Still wintry. Yeah. Yeah.

[22:04] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[22:04] Speaker 1: My, my, my, uh, leggings are fleece lined, so, uh-

[22:07] Speaker 2: (laughs) Nice.

[22:08] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, f- so here's, here's something. I was, um, introduced to someone when I was back in, I was in Oklahoma, and they were from Texas, and they happened to work for a very popular football team-

[22:22] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[22:22] Speaker 1: ... I'll leave it at that, um, in the offices, high up in the offices. And, uh, met for dinner, blah, blah, blah. And it, it was communicated that, (laughs) that, you know, he prefers that they, that, you know, the, his, his woman dresses a certain way, and blah, blah, blah, and ya ya ya, and, and, uh, I, you know me, I don't, I don't really conform very well to manipulation and stuff like that, so that one didn't last very long.

[22:50] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[22:51] Speaker 1: But, (laughs) but, um, he, he actually, I'll, I'll give a redeeming factor. He actually did invite me to go to that game versus another popular team that I would be connected to.

[23:06] Speaker 2: Okay.

[23:07] Speaker 1: And it was at that stadium, and he had season tickets, and he had two extras, and I was able to invite two friends that I knew that lived there that were huge Texas team fans, I'm just gonna leave it at that. But he did, I s- I said, "I cannot wear, I cannot wear that gear. I am so sorry, but I cannot wear that gear. Any other game but that game, I would wear that gear, but I can't." And he goes-

[23:30] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[23:30] Speaker 1: ... "That's fine," you know, just don't, "just don't make an ass out of yourself," you know, don't be crazy. And so I was very subdued, and, but there were people sitting in front of us that were all Seahawks fans, and they'd turn around and high five, oh, sorry, I said the word. Turn around-

[23:42] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[23:43] Speaker 1: ... and high five me, and wah, and I'm like, you know, I just kinda could low five 'em and everything, you know. (laughs) I'm trying to be low-key, but I kinda stick out.

[23:51] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[23:52] Speaker 1: I just kinda stick out, so.

[23:53] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[23:54] Speaker 1: You know? It was funny.

[23:56] Speaker 2: It's, it's hard to be low-key sometimes, like, I, I, I don't have-

[23:59] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[23:59] Speaker 2: ... a, a, like, a preferred, there's no just, you know, it depends. Like sometimes I wanna have fun, sometimes I just wanna be left alone. (laughs)

[24:05] Speaker 1: Same. Same.

[24:06] Speaker 2: You know?

[24:06] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[24:07] Speaker 2: It's, and that's the thing is that if you kind, kind of, like, I've had a point in my life where it's like I created this, like, false character based on the personality traits that were probably defense mechanisms and things like that-

[24:18] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[24:18] Speaker 2: ... you know?

[24:19] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[24:19] Speaker 2: And, uh, and, and so it's nice to be nobody, like I said before. Like, I-

[24:23] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[24:23] Speaker 2: ... I'm really, really the past few years, um, getting in touch with myself and becoming my own best friend. And it's-

[24:30] Speaker 1: Right.

[24:30] Speaker 2: And that's, and-

[24:31] Speaker 1: Right.

[24:31] Speaker 2: And that's where the real work is.

[24:33] Speaker 1: It is.

[24:33] Speaker 2: There's so much to figure out about, like, and I was, you know, we've talked about before, going within, and what does-

[24:38] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[24:38] Speaker 2: ... that really mean? But it means-... for myself, like, unlocking my, you know, we talked about it on the show before, unlocking my spine-

[24:45] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[24:45] Speaker 2: ... doing Qigong-

[24:46] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[24:46] Speaker 2: ... going, walking-

[24:47] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[24:47] Speaker 2: ... with grace, like, I, I think I've mentioned that. But this week, um, I had a, a busy few days and, you know, I had to dip into time, quite a-

[24:55] Speaker 1: Yep.

[24:55] Speaker 2: ... quite a, quite often for a few days. And so I, I, I like to walk a lot of places, so, um-

[25:02] Speaker 1: Right.

[25:02] Speaker 2: But when you have to be there at a certain time, it, like, I noticed I was walking with mental energy, you know?

[25:06] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[25:06] Speaker 2: It's like, "I gotta make sure I get-"

[25:07] Speaker 1: "Gotta be there."

[25:08] Speaker 2: "... here this point," and whatever, you know, "I gotta catch the train or the bus this time," and-

[25:12] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[25:12] Speaker 2: ... all this stuff. Uh, and, and I was kind of exhausted, to be honest with you.

[25:17] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[25:17] Speaker 2: And then the following day, I had nothing, but I didn't go as far as I norm- normally did, and, like, the difference of, I could go on an all day hike in nature at, like, a relaxed pace and not be as-

[25:27] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[25:27] Speaker 2: ... tired as I did going out for, like, two hours.

[25:30] Speaker 1: Right.

[25:30] Speaker 2: But even the mental energy, you know, like, kind of-

[25:32] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[25:33] Speaker 2: ... you know, "Gotta get this shit done" and whatever, you know, that, that-

[25:35] Speaker 1: Yep.

[25:36] Speaker 2: ... that mentality. And, uh, the next day, I had only one appointment and it was pretty far away and, I think it was, like, an hour and 10 minute each way and-

[25:44] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[25:44] Speaker 2: ... and I was like, "You know what? I'm gonna walk." Uh, it was beautiful out, like, a spring day, it was above s- you know, above freezing and the snow was melting and, um, and so I was like, "Well, whatever," I, like, "I don't need to go there. There's n- I, I don't have a specific, uh, time that I have to be there." And I just walked, really kept on doing mind to heart drops and I walked just, like, slow and gracefully, like, very, very relaxed, and-

[26:07] Speaker 1: Yes.

[26:07] Speaker 2: ... I just felt amazing. I thought, okay, after, you know, being tired after three days of doing all that running around and then after this super long walk, and then I got back and I was like, "You know what? I'm gonna go out again." (laughs) And I did.

[26:17] Speaker 1: (laughs) That's awesome.

[26:18] Speaker 2: And, but I, I realized the difference of, like, when you're going at your own pace and you're just relaxed and you're not bound to time, you walk differently, right? And so-

[26:26] Speaker 1: Yes.

[26:27] Speaker 2: ... and, and I, and I'm trying to do that in, in all areas of my life all the time now.

[26:32] Speaker 1: That's really good. I noticed that in a different way whenever I was in that pressure cooker job and I would be exhausted at the end-

[26:41] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[26:41] Speaker 1: ... of the workweek. I would just be drained to the max. But I would find that if I would go out to dinner that Friday night, if I would just go out and just start the weekend that Friday night, my weekend seemed so much longer-

[26:55] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[26:55] Speaker 1: ... than, than going home and crashing. If I would just go and do something for me-

[26:59] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[27:00] Speaker 1: ... then my weekend seemed like it was like a three-day weekend, because it started on that Friday. And I, it was just the turning off the work faucet and turning on the me faucet, if that helps.

[27:11] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[27:11] Speaker 1: If that makes sense?

[27:12] Speaker 2: Yeah. For sure.

[27:13] Speaker 1: So yeah, I totally get what you're saying, because when you're in, like, right now, you know, I've got somewhere to be after the show, and it's like, it's gonna be one of those, "Ooh, gotta go, gotta get, gotta go."

[27:23] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[27:23] Speaker 1: And it's like, I, I want to en- enjoy the time.

[27:29] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[27:29] Speaker 1: And so I, I gave myself a little leeway on getting there, so that way I can, like, "Okay, well, you know what? It's okay. I can take the next one," or whatever. You know, that kind of thing. So yeah, totally get it.

[27:42] Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's a difference between, um, you know, like, you, you've worked a corporate job and stuff like that.

[27:48] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[27:49] Speaker 2: And, you know, being self-employed, I know what it's like-

[27:51] Speaker 1: Or it's worked me. I mean, sorry, go ahead.

[27:52] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

[27:53] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[27:53] Speaker 2: Exactly. How, how much of yourself did you sacrifice for it, you know? It's like-

[27:57] Speaker 1: Uh-huh. Exactly.

[27:58] Speaker 2: Um, but I, just, even just taking that little bit of 15-minute break in between meetings or something like that, like, whatever-

[28:05] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[28:05] Speaker 2: ... it is to, you know, you don't have, like, that's, it's crazy because I look at the etymology of words a lot and, and, you know, we're, we're, we're now in this hustle culture, you know?

[28:15] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[28:16] Speaker 2: And it's like, well, how, that, it's, it's been planned and, and rudely pushed upon everybody. Well, you know, like, 50 years ago, you know, the hu- the, the husband would make enough, the average person could make enough on a single, you know, income.

[28:29] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[28:29] Speaker 2: The wife would be a stay-at-home wife.

[28:31] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[28:31] Speaker 2: Now it's like, you need two, three jobs, you need a side hustle-

[28:34] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[28:35] Speaker 2: The, the, the cost of living keeps going up, the cost of groceries-

[28:37] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[28:37] Speaker 2: ... keeps going up.

[28:38] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[28:38] Speaker 2: Um, and just, you know, like you mentioned pressure cooker, that's what we're in, and it's like-

[28:42] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[28:42] Speaker 2: ... it's like, you know, boiling a frog, it doesn't know that it's, it's getting warmer, it's getting warmer, and it doesn't jump out of the pot until it's too late because-

[28:48] Speaker 1: Right.

[28:49] Speaker 2: ... it's just, it's getting warmer, it's getting warmer, and then all of a sudden you realize it's boiling but it's too late.

[28:53] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[28:53] Speaker 2: That's what, that's what they're doing to us. And nobody-

[28:55] Speaker 1: Exactly.

[28:55] Speaker 2: ... seems to really understand that. And, um, and, and that, and that's what, the really sad thing, and I think, you know, I mentioned it on the show before, that's the value of-

[29:04] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[29:05] Speaker 2: ... home, what homesteading has for us and not having-

[29:07] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[29:07] Speaker 2: ... to pay so much to just live, like, you know, for myself, it's like, I, yeah, that, that'd save me $30,000 a year. (laughs)

[29:13] Speaker 1: Right. Right.

[29:14] Speaker 2: If I didn't have to pay that out just for rent, you know? Like-

[29:17] Speaker 1: So I'm gonna ask a question, and it's kind of a pointed question and we may not have the answer, but let's talk through it.

[29:22] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[29:23] Speaker 1: How do you and I as hosts help the family that now mama had to get into the workforce, dad's doing two jobs, she's doing daycare, she's also doing a side hustle, she's working at night while dad's working at day or dad's worked at night while she's working at day, so that way they don't have to pay for daycare because God knows how much that costs. And, um, so, so they can't, they can't seem to figure out how to get out of the rat race, how to get off the hamster wheel, but yet they can't just stop. So what are some of the tools that we as hosts would recommend that would help them?

[30:02] Speaker 2: I think, um, for myself, I would, I, I, it's that, difficult for me to say because that's the reason I don't have kids, right?

[30:10] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yep. Same.

[30:10] Speaker 2: And I re- I realized that a long, I, I realized that a long time ago, and-

[30:14] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[30:14] Speaker 2: ... and I, I, I just said, "I'm not bringing children into this world." And you know what's interesting is I never-

[30:18] Speaker 1: Same.

[30:18] Speaker 2: ... even thought about, this was before I understood, like, Ron's work and CLS and clearing stuff.

[30:23] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[30:23] Speaker 2: But he's mentioned, you know, we shouldn't be having kids, you know, and I'm not gonna get into the, the whole background of how, our life cycle and how we're not, hey we probably should be living much longer, but-

[30:33] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[30:33] Speaker 2: ... he said realistically, people shouldn't be having kids til they're 50 or 60 because they need to do all that work to clean out their judgments from their genetic cellular memory so they don't pass that on in their DNA.

[30:43] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[30:43] Speaker 2: I somehow probably knew that. Like, I remember having a conversation with people in my 30s, and, like, friends and stuff were like, "Rob, why don't," you know, like, "why don't you s- settle down and have kids?" And I was like, "I'm still working through stuff that I don't even know that's there." Like, I'm like, "I'm not-"

[30:57] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[30:57] Speaker 2: "... A, I'm not bringing kids into this world, and B, I still have to figure myself out."

[31:01] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[31:02] Speaker 2: Um, and I'm just doing that at 42, you know? And, and so-

[31:05] Speaker 1: Right.

[31:05] Speaker 2: ... for, for people, I think they, they really need to take a good hard look and stop saying-

[31:10] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[31:10] Speaker 2: ... "Well, it's just, just the way it is." I always say when people say... Used to say that to me growing up, "Well, that's just the way the world works," those people are the enemies of tomorrow. Because-

[31:19] Speaker 1: Yes.

[31:19] Speaker 2: ... if you keep saying, "That's just the way the world works," well, you know, that, that's just the way slavery works. You know? Well, you just suck it up and, and keep, you know, keep grinding.

[31:27] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[31:27] Speaker 2: Get a second job and deal with it. So, I think just listening to this show is-

[31:33] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[31:33] Speaker 2: ... (laughs) is beneficial, and, and seeking, um, you know, being honest with yourself, like brutally honest.

[31:38] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[31:38] Speaker 2: Like, like, "This is bullcrap." Like-

[31:41] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[31:41] Speaker 2: ... "Where do we start?" Like, start looking for alternative things, things in the community.

[31:45] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[31:45] Speaker 2: Ways that we can reduce costs. Maybe not eating as much, you know, not, not, uh, scheduling so much, um-

[31:50] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[31:51] Speaker 2: ... and, and, you know, growing your own food, things like that.

[31:54] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[31:54] Speaker 2: If, if that's possible, right?

[31:55] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[31:56] Speaker 2: And, also, um, I don't know. Like I, I just, I see people, um... Where I live, I love it, because I didn't know when I moved here, um, you know, I loved the, the place, and it, it's a townhome, and it's, you know, it's quaint, and it, but it's-

[32:09] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[32:09] Speaker 2: I, I love it, and, uh, but what I didn't realize is that right next, right, right behind, like, my fence is, there's a park in between, in between all the units. And so all the kids play out in the, in the park, uh-

[32:21] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[32:21] Speaker 2: ... and, and I just love it, because I love hearing kids play. Like, I, it makes me sad when they go back to school and, you know-

[32:25] Speaker 1: No.

[32:26] Speaker 2: ... I don't hear them playing outside anymore.

[32:27] Speaker 1: Right, right.

[32:28] Speaker 2: Um, because I think everybody should be playing outside, right?

[32:30] Speaker 1: Right. (laughs)

[32:32] Speaker 2: Um, but I just, I see the kids growing up, and it's like, I've been here for four... This is going on my fourth year. And so some of them, it's like, wow, like, it's so true how we get so programmed.

[32:42] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[32:42] Speaker 2: And I see the kids now, you know, they're coming up. There's one kid who's just, he was like the sweetest. Not, not that he's not sweet anymore, but-

[32:49] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[32:49] Speaker 2: ... now, he's like 10, and, and back when he was like six, like, he was just, you know, he'd come out and talk to me about my motorcycle, and he was always-

[32:55] Speaker 1: He was source.

[32:56] Speaker 2: He was... Yeah.

[32:57] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[32:57] Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So pure, you know. And, and-

[32:58] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[32:59] Speaker 2: And now, it's like now I see them, and they're different, and they're gr- A- and not to say it's bad or whatever. I know things, but, like-

[33:05] Speaker 1: No.

[33:05] Speaker 2: ... I just see that the way they change and the way that, um, the things, the things never... Like, the w- the more things change, the more they stay the same.

[33:14] Speaker 1: Right.

[33:14] Speaker 2: And I don't know if this was (laughs) this is, like, the thing. But it's like it keeps getting perpetuated, you know. Like, the, I, I heard kids saying the Adidas thing, and, like, Adidas, what that stands for, you know. And I was like, "How are people still saying, like, how, how are those same cycles still perpetuating themselves, you know?"

[33:32] Speaker 1: Wow.

[33:32] Speaker 2: And I remember, like, hearing that as a kid in grade three, and, like, that, that becomes, like, imprinted in your mind, you know?

[33:39] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.

[33:40] Speaker 2: And, um, and so it's just strange. It's like we have to break the cycle. We have to have the balls, the courage, the cojones, whatever you wanna-

[33:47] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[33:47] Speaker 2: ... you know, to say, "Enough's enough."

[33:49] Speaker 1: Right.

[33:49] Speaker 2: A- and it's tough. It's tough, like, to, to say, "No, like, enough's enough. I'm not, I'm not doing it anymore."

[33:57] Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. It's, um, it's really interesting to me, um... How do I word this? I also chose, made the decision not to be a mama, um, and my mom always told me... Well, she didn't always tell me. She told me when I was old enough to, you know, make my own decisions and knew that she probably was not getting grandchildren from me. She said, uh, she says, "I never thought it would be your brother. I always thought it would be you because you would be a great mother." And I'm like, "Aw." You know, it's really sweet 'cause she was an amazing mom, so I'm like, you know, I'm taking that as, like, you know, the gold star of, you know, seal of approval. I'm like, "Sweet." Um, but, uh, it's interesting because I, too, did not feel that I had the right environment to bring them into. I, I didn't have any strange, weird, um, revelation, I guess? But it was just m- my challenges were always the financial. It was always the financial. I just, you know...

[35:07] Speaker 1: If I'm struggling now, how am I gonna struggle with, you know, six, seven, $8,000 back in the day to have a child, and then, you know, diapers and food and doctor bills and all of the stuff that comes along with that? And that's before, you know, any of that... You know, you didn't have to go to the doctor. But-

[35:24] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[35:25] Speaker 1: ... I'm like, it, it just didn't, it just didn't pencil, and everybody, "Well, if you wait to afford them, you'll never have them." Well, okay, that's great, but, but in the meantime, um, who's gonna, who's gonna step up and help me pay for this? That kind of stuff.

[35:41] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[35:41] Speaker 1: You know, you don't want the child to go through... You want the child to have better than what you had.

[35:46] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[35:46] Speaker 1: And so I think that's really kinda where I was coming from as well, so.

[35:50] Speaker 2: W- And you know what? That, but that's, that's the, whatever the reason, it's a good understanding and to, to, to know, to know thyself, because a lot of people have children. I think people have kids, uh, to, to try and save marriages. They have kids-

[36:04] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[36:04] Speaker 2: ... just because they're told to. They have kids because their, uh, parents want them to. Because everybody else-

[36:09] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[36:09] Speaker 2: ... is doing it, because they're lonely, because they don't wanna look at (laughs) they, they don't wanna do the work at themselves, you know, because it's easier to be distracted from saying, "Hey, what do I... Maybe, maybe a kid'll change this. Maybe a kid'll..." You know? But it's not, 'cause then you... And it's fine that I know some people who have their children, and it's their reason for living, but that-

[36:27] Speaker 1: Right, right.

[36:27] Speaker 2: ... becomes a role, and it becomes toxic eventually. Um-

[36:30] Speaker 1: Can. It can, yes.

[36:31] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

[36:32] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.

[36:32] Speaker 2: And so, uh, I, I think, and it's very difficult, you know. And I have to say that my last girlfriend, um, I never told her this, but I was... Well, I, I guess, like, kind of I did, but I don't think it really h-

[36:42] Speaker 1: You are now.

[36:43] Speaker 2: (laughs) Yeah.

[36:43] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[36:43] Speaker 2: I don't think it really hit home to, to me at the time. Like, I was very... I, I never explained to her how-... how proud I was of her for doing that.

[36:53] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[36:53] Speaker 2: But she, uh, never had her child vaccinated and, um-

[36:58] Speaker 1: Hmm.

[36:58] Speaker 2: ... any of them, like literally none, um, even at birth. And you know how hard that is to do?

[37:03] Speaker 1: Good for her. Oh, hard.

[37:04] Speaker 2: You know?

[37:04] Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.

[37:05] Speaker 2: Like, it's almost impossible.

[37:07] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[37:07] Speaker 2: And she stuck with it, and she, she said it was so embarrassing a lot of the times 'cause they would show up at her school, they would have, like, case workers come, they'd have, like, pretty much aside from the police showing up at your door and saying you, forcing you have to, they make it so difficult upon, upon-

[37:21] Speaker 1: Yeah, difficult for them to play sports, difficult for them to go on road trips, because they'll use that.

[37:24] Speaker 2: Difficult for them to, to even get, like, be in a school. Like, they-

[37:28] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

[37:28] Speaker 2: ... they, they make it, th- and, like, but just the pressure they put on you to have it done at birth.

[37:32] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah.

[37:32] Speaker 2: Like, not, not mentioning, uh, you know, later on and everything. But, like, that takes courage to, like, to stand-

[37:39] Speaker 1: A lot.

[37:39] Speaker 2: ... like-

[37:39] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[37:39] Speaker 2: ... to stand in your own truth and command your own truth-

[37:42] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[37:42] Speaker 2: ... regardless of outside influence, right?

[37:45] Speaker 1: Yeah, so true. So true.

[37:47] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[37:47] Speaker 1: And, you know, uh, I'm gonna disclose to everybody, obviously we both d- disclosed, neither one of us have children so we're not, we're not saying that we're the end all be all knowledgeable people about having children, and we're not saying our way is the highway. We're just, we're just talking about observations of what we've seen and then, or I can say that, of what I've seen, and then my experience on why I chose not to have children. So, um, yeah.

[38:14] Speaker 2: I'm still a children. I'm s- I don't want- I see-

[38:16] Speaker 1: I'm still a child too.

[38:17] Speaker 2: (laughs) I see children having children, and I agree. C- k- people should not have children till they're later in their life, and that, and I think that's been, you know, I don't wanna ... (laughs) Okay, of course I can say whatever I want on this show, right?

[38:28] Speaker 1: Of course you can.

[38:29] Speaker 2: But it's, it's been, it's been manipulated like that to have-

[38:32] Speaker 1: Yes it has.

[38:32] Speaker 2: ... uh, hormones, like, you know, people hitting puberty younger. They want our lifespan short. They want us capping out-

[38:37] Speaker 1: Yep.

[38:38] Speaker 2: ... at 80-

[38:38] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[38:38] Speaker 2: ... because we probably should've been realistically living hundreds or thousands of years, if not until we chose, chose to, you know-

[38:45] Speaker 1: Chose to go be a dinosaur or whatever, yeah.

[38:46] Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. But they've intentionally done that so that way it's children having children, nobody really knows, there, you-

[38:52] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[38:53] Speaker 2: ... like, literally I, every, you know, you see people, even people my age. I'm just com- I didn't even say I would be a good dad until I was like 36, and even then I still wasn't ready, and like now I'm ready but the world's not ready for my children. I, I, I ... Oh so here's the thing-

[39:08] Speaker 1: (laughs) Ha ha!

[39:09] Speaker 2: Here's something, is that I, I was walking, uh, on my daily walk there.

[39:13] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[39:13] Speaker 2: I actually did a little video about it, but I, I, I never ... It's like you know when you have those moments? And it-

[39:19] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[39:19] Speaker 2: So I was listening to the birds and I was doing my best-

[39:21] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[39:21] Speaker 2: ... to be in the moment, and I heard the school bell ring. And how-

[39:25] Speaker 1: Hmm.

[39:25] Speaker 2: I don't know what they are like in the States, but like the school bell, it reminded me of the show, remember Saved By The Bell? Like that mind-

[39:31] Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah.

[39:32] Speaker 2: That mind control imprinting upon us?

[39:34] Speaker 1: Yep.

[39:34] Speaker 2: Like Pavlov's dog, like ... Yeah.

[39:35] Speaker 1: Pavlov's dog. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

[39:37] Speaker 2: Uh, but how discordant and annoying the sound of the school bell is? And I, I, so as I heard it and I was walking, it, like, it was ringing my ears. And it was off in the distance, and I just said out loud immediately, "My children will never hear that sound."

[39:49] Speaker 1: See? Good.

[39:51] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[39:51] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[39:51] Speaker 2: And that, that's my commitment. So I'll have kids when I'm free on my land, and- (laughs)

[39:55] Speaker 1: Exactly. Exactly.

[39:56] Speaker 2: That's, that's the bottom line. I'm not-

[39:57] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[39:57] Speaker 2: They're not gonna grow up where they have to pay to play here.

[40:00] Speaker 1: No. No. That's really good.

[40:03] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[40:03] Speaker 1: And there are, there are people out there that, you know, they're not in that situation on that and that's their, that's their decision, but they're also really great parents. I mean, they're taking-

[40:13] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[40:13] Speaker 1: ... on school boards, or even, even, you know, the ones that are silent behind the scenes doing what they can to educate their children at home to where they're well-rounded and educated, you know. There are a lot of good, creative parents out there. And, um, yeah. Yeah, I get it.

[40:30] Speaker 2: But yeah, we're still indoctrinating-

[40:32] Speaker 1: I'm a-

[40:32] Speaker 2: ... the same inherited systems, so-

[40:33] Speaker 1: We are. Yep.

[40:35] Speaker 2: ... it's like-

[40:35] Speaker 1: We are.

[40:35] Speaker 2: ... you know.

[40:36] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[40:36] Speaker 2: I, I didn't want to do that 'cause I knew, I remember being a kid and I s- I just always had this feeling something's not right with this place. (laughs)

[40:44] Speaker 1: Right. Absolutely. So true.

[40:46] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[40:48] Speaker 1: Yeah. I, um ... Wow, it's 11:04. Wow. Wow, time has flown. Um, did you notice that, uh, one of our favorite websites was not available?

[41:01] Speaker 2: Yeah. System upgrades in process.

[41:03] Speaker 1: Yeah. Did you notice what the one sailboat was flying?

[41:08] Speaker 2: No. Was it-

[41:10] Speaker 1: It's flying a re- it's flying a red flag. Do you know what one red flag means? Now, now this is red flag, like, uh, you know, hmm, let's say it would be on the beach or something. I'm not sure on the ocean, like on the, on the vessel flag. I should probably look that up. But, um, it says, um, for one, for one red flag, 'cause there can be a double red flag, right?

[41:32] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[41:32] Speaker 1: It says, "Red, high hazard, rough conditions such as strong surf and/or currents are present," blah, blah, blah. But then it says, um, "High hazard," uh, where was it? Oh, man. Surf is high or there are dangerous currents or both.

[41:55] Speaker 2: Oh.

[41:56] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[41:57] Speaker 2: The storm is upon us.

[41:58] Speaker 1: The storm is upon us. Mm-hmm.

[42:03] Speaker 2: Very cool. Uh, that, good, good, uh-

[42:04] Speaker 1: That's kinda cool, huh?

[42:05] Speaker 2: Yeah. Good, good, uh, eye on the symbolism.

[42:07] Speaker 1: (laughs) Thanks. I'm like-

[42:08] Speaker 2: And, and that does, that does, uh, I'm not a sailor by any means, although I did love sailing as a kid, uh, at summer camp.

[42:14] Speaker 1: Me too. Mm-hmm.

[42:14] Speaker 2: I, I, I would like to get back into that. Just the little boats, you know, just for the ... It's, it's super fun.

[42:19] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. It is super fun. Yeah.

[42:21] Speaker 2: But, but yeah, that photo, it definitely looks like, you could tell by the le- the angle of the ship and obviously the waves that there is-

[42:26] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[42:26] Speaker 2: ... there is, uh, you know, some high winds.

[42:29] Speaker 1: High winds and some, yeah, dangerous seas. "A red flag warning is a very serious, high level alert indicating that conditions, parenthesis, strong winds, low humidity, dry vegetation, are ideal for wildfires to ignite and spread rapidly, meaning even a small spark can cause a major fire." So that's talking about on the ground, right?

[42:48] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[42:48] Speaker 1: And then, um, if you go back up here...Uh, "Red flags mean dangerous rip current activity is expected. Rip currents would be likely to be stronger and more frequent. It's recommended to stay out of the water. You could be arrested or fined for entering the water."

[43:08] Speaker 2: Oh, geez. (laughs)

[43:10] Speaker 1: I know, right? Don't enter the water, folks!

[43:12] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[43:12] Speaker 1: Anyway, I thought it was really interesting because, um, being a lifeguard back in the day, you know, even though I was more in pools, you still study, you know, live water. And rip currents are real, folks. You know, you've got these rock, um, you know, sea walls, and then you've got tides that go in and out, and, and, and the riptide that goes, uh, through there. It can, it can really pull you way, way out to sea and then pull you right into that rock wall.

[43:40] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[43:41] Speaker 1: And, uh, so I'm like, "Interesting." I'm just, it just, you know, I'm like, I don't know if that's what that means, but there's a red flag on the top of that sailboat.

[43:50] Speaker 2: Well, you know, sometimes the symbolism is very subtle. So I would say good eye on that.

[43:54] Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you.

[43:54] Speaker 2: I think everything has meaning, right? There's no, no such thing as coincidence.

[43:58] Speaker 1: No such thing.

[43:59] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[44:00] Speaker 1: Interesting. And those are some pretty rough seas, and there's some rocks right here in the foreground, too. Look at that. I didn't even notice that.

[44:05] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[44:05] Speaker 1: There's three sailboats. One, two, three. Look at that.

[44:07] Speaker 2: Yeah, there's one off in the distance, hey?

[44:09] Speaker 1: Uh-huh. Yeah.

[44:09] Speaker 2: It's a l- it's a different type, though. It seems like a, a smaller one.

[44:13] Speaker 1: On the, on the, on the horizon? Or are you talking about the middle one?

[44:16] Speaker 2: No, the one over to the right. It looks like there's a little guy on the right.

[44:19] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[44:19] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[44:19] Speaker 1: Yeah, I still see sails, but I don't know what it is. Yeah.

[44:22] Speaker 2: I see a lot of sailboats down where I, I, I live, uh, there.

[44:25] Speaker 1: Do you?

[44:25] Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a... Because I live on, uh, one of the Great Lakes and so it's in a-

[44:29] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[44:29] Speaker 2: It's in a port. And, uh-

[44:31] Speaker 1: Nice.

[44:31] Speaker 2: ... so th- they've got, um, a sailing club and they do these, like, what do they call it, like catamaran races maybe?

[44:37] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[44:38] Speaker 2: Yeah, thing- things like that. Um, so yeah. I, it's, it's interesting. I see it often when I go down, 'cause I, I do go swimming too. Like, I was never a lifeguard like you, but, um, I was close. Like, I, I, I was a couple classes away. Like, I just love, love swimming, and so I go... I'm grateful that I live that close. I live about a half hour walk down to the great lake and I go down... You know, it's, it's crazy that I go down there and, uh, there's this beautiful, private little beach. And, um, it's at this, like, little delta of, you know, where the creeks run into the, to the major water.

[45:08] Speaker 1: Wow.

[45:08] Speaker 2: But it's a little hidden gem, but nobody I saw... I think I've seen one person there swimming besides myself. And, uh, and it like, it's just, you know, the clones. (laughs)

[45:18] Speaker 1: Right.

[45:18] Speaker 2: Like, people talk to me about it, but they're like, "Oh, you can swim here?" And I was like, "I don't know. I guess so, I am."

[45:23] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[45:23] Speaker 2: Like, the water's crystal clear and so when I go in that water, it's so much softer. Like, the, the water that they pump through the, the city water is so hard and so, like, when I go swimming down by the water, it's crystal clear. I come up and my hair is so soft, my skin is so soft.

[45:37] Speaker 1: Nice.

[45:37] Speaker 2: I'll go down there and I'll spend, like, you know, generally I try not to spend too long down there 'cause (laughs) but, you know-

[45:43] Speaker 1: Right.

[45:44] Speaker 2: ... I gotta do ot- do other things. But I'll go-

[45:45] Speaker 1: Right.

[45:46] Speaker 2: Um, I'll go every day if I can.

[45:48] Speaker 1: That sounds amazing.

[45:49] Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's wonderful.

[45:50] Speaker 1: That sounds really good.

[45:51] Speaker 2: Yeah. Good energetics down there.

[45:54] Speaker 1: Nice.

[45:55] Speaker 2: Yeah. I-

[45:56] Speaker 1: Yeah. Same, same where I'm at. Same where I'm at.

[45:57] Speaker 2: It's, it's a interesting place, too, like the energies, uh, because where I live, um, it's, like, kind of at the, like, the intersection of several Great Lakes. So, um, there's a lot, like, you know, I would say, well, at least g- at least three of them. So, there's kind of, um, yeah, lot of good energy.

[46:16] Speaker 1: Wow.

[46:16] Speaker 2: You know?

[46:17] Speaker 1: That's awesome.

[46:18] Speaker 2: Those Great Lakes. (laughs)

[46:19] Speaker 1: Those Great Lakes.

[46:21] Speaker 2: They're not half-decent lakes, they're great.

[46:23] Speaker 1: They're, they're amazing.

[46:24] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[46:24] Speaker 1: They should be called the Amazing Lakes.

[46:26] Speaker 2: Yeah. (laughs)

[46:27] Speaker 1: That's funny. That's funny.

[46:30] Speaker 2: But yeah, so what else we got? We, we're probably, uh, okay.

[46:33] Speaker 1: I don't know.

[46:33] Speaker 2: We're doing okay. We're doing okay.

[46:35] Speaker 1: We're doing okay.

[46:35] Speaker 2: Yeah, we're doing okay.

[46:35] Speaker 1: We're doing okay. So, um, I, I don't really know which way to take this. Let me think. Um...

[46:47] Speaker 2: Well, you know what? I, I don't know-

[46:48] Speaker 1: Go ahead.

[46:48] Speaker 2: ... if this is necessarily a thing, but let's talk about, you know, 'cause we're talking about having kids and you sa-

[46:53] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[46:53] Speaker 2: ... mentioned marriage and, like, partnership. And it's, it's silly. Like, I've been so close to, like, getting married a couple times.

[47:01] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[47:01] Speaker 2: But I never felt... It seems so contractual. It seems so fake, right?

[47:05] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[47:05] Speaker 2: Like, if you, if you really love somebody, why would you need a piece of paper with signatures and this, like, stamp and other people involved? Like, I don't know. To me, I just n- I, like, it- it's- it's not... It- it's so, I don't know. It's so law- law-ish.

[47:21] Speaker 1: Well-

[47:21] Speaker 2: Like, it- it- it doesn't make sense.

[47:22] Speaker 1: ... it is law-ish. Yeah.

[47:23] Speaker 2: You know?

[47:24] Speaker 1: And you g- and then you give them something else they can trade on the black market.

[47:27] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[47:28] Speaker 1: 'Cause it's another legal document that they take and, and, uh, marriage certificates, divorce certificates, birth certificates, all of those. They, they, um, they trade, you know, you give them permission to trade it on the dark market. So yeah, no. Mm-mm.

[47:42] Speaker 2: Yeah. And I, I, I got a friend going through a divorce and it's like, like, what-

[47:45] Speaker 1: It's hell.

[47:46] Speaker 2: ... you go, you go from this like, oh, we're gonna spend the rest of our lives together. We love... It's so du- it's so duality, you know?

[47:51] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[47:51] Speaker 2: It's like we're gonna, we're, we're in love and then I hate you, I'm taking the house and, you know, half your shit. And like-

[47:56] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[47:56] Speaker 2: ... come on. Settle down. Like-

[47:58] Speaker 1: Right.

[47:58] Speaker 2: ... you know?

[47:59] Speaker 1: Right. Yeah.

[47:59] Speaker 2: And, and I, I'd never been married, but I had to leave a business, um, that, like, I co-founded a company years ago (clears throat) and it wasn't even worth anything. And we're arguing over shares. I was like, this is just, this is ridiculous. Like, I (laughs) like, leave the world behind, you know? Like-

[48:13] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[48:14] Speaker 2: ... it, it's just so silly.

[48:16] Speaker 1: Yeah. You're like, mm, yeah, no. Um, yeah. I've, that was-

[48:21] Speaker 2: Oh, I, sorry.

[48:23] Speaker 1: Go ahead. No, no, no, no.

[48:23] Speaker 2: I had a, I had a thing.

[48:24] Speaker 1: Okay.

[48:24] Speaker 2: Uh, that- that's kind of what I wanted to go towards 'cause you asked about people, uh, what can they do?

[48:29] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[48:29] Speaker 2: And it's like, well, let's spend our time doing things of relevance. So, myself, um, like, you know, enough's enough. Start looking into things 'cause everybody just, you know, oh, just go vote and, and, you know, yo, they'll take care of it. No. Start learning.

[48:44] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.

[48:44] Speaker 2: Start doing things for yourself. Start learning law if, like, I know it's not everybody's highest joy, but know where you gotta be. I've, I've been to court several (laughs) arrested several times. I've been to court a lot. Um, and I've ne- I'm not, I don't have a criminal record, and I've always represented myself. One time I hired, um-... a lawyer, um, but he was out of town and he coached me on what to say and everything, and, uh-

[49:06] Speaker 1: Right.

[49:06] Speaker 2: ... whatever. It's a long story. But I still ended up res- representing myself that day. Um, and- and from that point on, I have every single time.

[49:14] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[49:14] Speaker 2: And you know what? It's- it's ... They're- they're not- they're expecting you not to represent yourself, and so as soon as you go hire a lawyer-

[49:21] Speaker 1: Hm.

[49:21] Speaker 2: ... basically what you're doing is you're implicating yourself as a- a dummy. You don't know anything.

[49:26] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[49:26] Speaker 2: I- I'm not ... I'm a child. I don't know, you know ... Uh, you- you're admi- admitting that y- it's above you, so-

[49:33] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[49:34] Speaker 2: ... that ... And- and they know that. And so for ... I had a major traffic violation where you could actually end up in prison on my motorcycle. I- like, they- they've got ridiculous traffic laws here in Canada anyways-

[49:44] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[49:44] Speaker 2: ... but, um, I had to, you know ... I got arrested for it. I didn't-

[49:47] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[49:47] Speaker 2: ... go to jail or whatever, but they do arrest you and put the cuffs on you on the side of the road and everything.

[49:51] Speaker 1: Lovely.

[49:51] Speaker 2: But yeah (laughs) . Just magnificent. But I was so calm 'cause I'd been in trouble with the law when I was younger, and I just ... I was super calm, and the (laughs) actually the police officer that drove me home, he was like, "Sir," he's like, "I just wanted to say thank you." He's like, "You're- you're one- one in 100." He's like, "99 people in your position of like du- getting the- the- the, you know, that we deal with that got arrested for what you- you- you- you were, you know, in your situation?"

[50:15] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[50:15] Speaker 2: He said, "99 out of 100 people are cursing and swearing at us and this and that," and I was just like-

[50:19] Speaker 1: Spitting. Mm.

[50:20] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[50:20] Speaker 1: Kicking the cage. Yep.

[50:21] Speaker 2: And- and just ... And- and so he's, you know, and I was like, "Yeah," so I- I was like, "Well, I- I just know you're on- you're just digging yourself, your own grave, you know, (laughs) with that."

[50:29] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

[50:29] Speaker 2: But, so I just ... It was very stressful because it's like, well, it ... there- there comes with a- a potential $10,000 fine, losing your license and all the stuff, and so for like a whole year I was just stressing and, like, that was my only means of transportation was my motorcycle and it's like, oh, you know. Um, but I- I just did the work. I- I was like, "I'm not hiring a lawyer. I don't feel like it. I wanna know this stuff." And I just did lots of research and, you know, it took a lotta hours and some confidence.

[50:53] Speaker 1: Right.

[50:53] Speaker 2: But, um, what happened was, you know, I went to ... And this is when, during the pandemic, so everything was on Zoom, which I think maybe in some ways part of the reason w- why they did that, so they could see who was corrupt 'cause, you know, if they're- if they're broadcasting all these court proceedings on Zoom cour- uh, calls, you can kind of see who's corrupt or who's manipulating or who's using-

[51:12] Speaker 1: Yep.

[51:12] Speaker 2: ... scare tactics, right? So that was my-

[51:13] Speaker 1: Yep.

[51:13] Speaker 2: ... theory behind it all. But, uh, it was funny because it was, uh ... The judge was an older dude, he was a Black guy, and he was, you know, he's ... He kinda smiled when I said, "I'm representing myself," so he kinda gave ... And I can tell people's body manner, you know, and facial-

[51:26] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[51:26] Speaker 2: ... body manners.

[51:27] Speaker 1: Ugh. Yeah.

[51:27] Speaker 2: And he's like, "Oh," he kinda- he kinda si- stood back like, "Look at this guy here, eh?" You know? Like-

[51:32] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[51:32] Speaker 2: ... he was ki- ... And then he heard the charge and he was like, "Oh." And he's like, uh, I- I swear for a second I thought he was gonna drop it on the spot, but then-

[51:38] Speaker 1: Nice.

[51:38] Speaker 2: ... he, um ... The- the police officer never showed up, and I was very kindly-

[51:41] Speaker 1: Nice.

[51:42] Speaker 2: ... I said I was-

[51:42] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[51:42] Speaker 2: Okay? So he ne- ... So if they don't show up, it's like, well, them admitting that they're not-

[51:46] Speaker 1: Throw a note. Mm-hmm.

[51:46] Speaker 2: ... they don't care about it being-

[51:48] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[51:48] Speaker 2: ... prosecuted. So the next time around, they withdrew the charge, and so I got off, but had I not y- ... If you don't ... So that's the silly thing is that if you don't go do that yourself, and I didn't plea guilty or not guilty. Don't plea anything. Why is it ... You're admitting guilt. You're saying the word guilty. It's either innocent or guilty to me. It's like-

[52:06] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[52:06] Speaker 2: ... with you it's like guilty or not guilty. They're both ... It's like isn't supposed to be on you? Isn't it innocent un- until proven guilty?

[52:12] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[52:13] Speaker 2: It's not on me to ... It's on you-

[52:14] Speaker 1: Right.

[52:14] Speaker 2: ... to prove that I was guilty, not for me to prove my innocence. (laughs)

[52:17] Speaker 1: Right. Right.

[52:19] Speaker 2: But, so understanding like you- you gotta know what you're up against. And people don't believe ... We've been so beaten, abused, conditioned, programmed, we don't believe that we have power. We believe that this silly system that's, you know, little scri- scribbles on a page that you get in the mail has more power over us than sovereign beings of source. How have we- how are we this far down the rabbit hole? You know?

[52:42] Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, it's- it's an- it's an interesting world out there, and, um, um-

[52:48] Speaker 2: Yeah. So make different decisions. Instead of cracking a- cracking a cold one on Friday and watching the game, say, "Hey, what can I do? What's a step I can do to take to- to, you know, be a little bit more self-empowered?"

[52:59] Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah. I know that, um, you know, it's okay to have a cold one. That's fine if that's what they want.

[53:06] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[53:06] Speaker 1: But I'm like you. I'm like you. It's like, um, maybe- maybe have a little more intention as opposed to ... 'Cause trust me, I've had that- I've had that heavy duty job where you come home and all you wanna do ... I mean, (laughs) there's- there's a joke. All you wanna do is just come home and- and sit and just veg out.

[53:24] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.

[53:24] Speaker 1: And it's really what you wanna do.

[53:26] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, I know. I know.

[53:26] Speaker 1: And women have a lot more words to talk in a day than guys, so you can just imagine when a guy comes home from a heavy duty job, he's like, "I'm done. I'm done."

[53:34] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[53:34] Speaker 1: "No more words. I just want my beer and my TV and my remote, and may I please have some food." And that ... We're- we're- uh, we are stereotyping left and right, but you know what I'm trying to say.

[53:45] Speaker 2: (laughs) Yeah.

[53:45] Speaker 1: It's-

[53:46] Speaker 2: When you-

[53:46] Speaker 1: It's like- it's like that's just really what- what they, um, uh, it's- it's- it's a coping mechanism. It really is. And not the-

[53:53] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[53:53] Speaker 1: ... beer, not the food. It's the disengage. It's the- it's the checking out.

[53:57] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[53:58] Speaker 1: If that makes sense.

[53:59] Speaker 2: Yeah, out of alignment.

[54:00] Speaker 1: We got- we got two minutes.

[54:01] Speaker 2: Out of-

[54:01] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[54:01] Speaker 2: Yeah, out of alignment, right?

[54:02] Speaker 1: Wow.

[54:02] Speaker 2: Like, that's ... I'm trying to align every breath, and I'm- i- I'm doing the work and I- I don't know. My- my whole goal is to just help other people. I don't like going on my past timelines, and I don't like bringing other people on timelines. But how else are we gonna, um ... How else are we ever gonna share it with other people that, "Hey, I've gone through it too." I'm ... It's- it's ... We're all-

[54:21] Speaker 1: Exactly.

[54:22] Speaker 2: ... going through it at some point. We have to go through it at some point. We have to do the work ourselves. It's tough. It's not exciting work and it ... But it's- it's valuable and it's- it's healthy. It's- it's ... That's the thing is that our ... It- it's been cleverly programmed and, like, you know, and scheduled, and everything's happening right on time, so it makes it tougher and tougher, but-

[54:42] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[54:42] Speaker 2: ... we have to ... At some point, we have to say, "Enough's enough." You know?

[54:45] Speaker 1: We do.

[54:45] Speaker 2: "Enough's enough," and-

[54:46] Speaker 1: We do.

[54:46] Speaker 2: ... "I can't do this anymore." And there's a great power in letting go.

[54:49] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. There is. And don't do it Sunshine's way, and don't do it Rob's way. Do it your way.

[54:55] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[54:55] Speaker 1: Press in and see what source has for you, because my way will be ... It was brutal for me, so it'd be dang brutal for someone else. You know-

[55:01] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[55:01] Speaker 1: ... it's gotta be- it's gotta be for you. It's gotta be- it's gotta be what y- what you're doing. So I wanna thank you for being on the show again.And just talking life. Life is good.

[55:14] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[55:14] Speaker 1: Everybody out there, you're in different, you're in different aspects of your walk and of your journey on this ascension journey, and take what resonates and just file away the other stuff on the shelf.

[55:26] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[55:26] Speaker 1: And, uh-

[55:26] Speaker 2: And you, and you don't have to do it just because everybody else is around you, and it's okay to stand-

[55:30] Speaker 1: Exactly.

[55:30] Speaker 2: ... stand alone for a little while if you have to.

[55:32] Speaker 1: Exactly.

[55:32] Speaker 2: And it's scary, and it's dark, and it's bright, and then it's dark again, and that's why I'm doing this. I'm here on the journey, I'm doing it myself real time, and I hope that anybody else is, who's doing it out there too. It's just to show, sh- say that, "Hey, other people are doing it. I can do it."

[55:47] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[55:47] Speaker 2: Be fearless and know that all will prov- be provided at the right time. It's all good.

[55:52] Speaker 1: And fluff up your tutu and dance away.

[55:54] Speaker 2: Yeah. (laughs)

[55:54] Speaker 1: Thank you to all of my listeners. Thank you to-

[55:57] Speaker 2: Thank you, everybody. Yes.

[55:57] Speaker 1: ... all of my subscribers. You guys are the best. BBS, we love you so much, and it's a wrap.

[56:03] Speaker 2: Thank you, everybody.

[56:04] Speaker 1: Thank you.

[56:05] Speaker 2: Bye.

[56:06] Speaker 1: Bye. (instrumental music)