Speaker Identification

Speaker 1 - Announcer / Intro Voice. Identified as the prerecorded or produced opening theme voice because this section appears before the live conversation and functions as an introduction to A Saint Thomas Show.

Speaker 2 - Host, Saint Thomas / Arrow. Identified because the speaker introduces the program as A Saint Thomas Show and says, "I am Saint Thomas, the twin. You can call me Arrow."

Speaker 3 - Co-Host, Rob Banderson. Identified because Arrow introduces Rob as co-host and Rob participates in the conversation from that point forward.

Speaker 4 - Don Newsom, BBS Radio TV co-founder. Identified when the speaker says, "This is Don," and later when the brothers pass the microphone between Don and Doug. Because the Newsom twins sound similar, some brief transitions are labeled according to the clearest contextual self-identification.

Speaker 5 - Doug Newsom, BBS Radio TV co-founder. Identified by Arrow's introduction of Don and Doug Newsom and by the brothers' own references to passing the microphone back and forth. Because the twins sound similar, some brief transitions are labeled according to the clearest contextual self-identification.

Speaker 1 - Announcer / Intro Voice:
You can feel it, can't you? Something shifting. Something breaking through.

This isn't just a voice. This is a signal.

They told you where to look for truth, somewhere distant, far from you. They built up walls inside your mind so you would never truly find. But in the silence, in the space, there is something time cannot erase, a quiet knowing, deep and slow, calling you to take control.

No more waiting. No more doubt.

Welcome to A Saint Thomas Show, where the truth begins to glow. Not above and not below; it is alive inside your soul. This is where the veils come down, where the lost are finally found. Hear the call. It is time to know. You are alive on A Saint Thomas Show.

Every system starts to fade. Every fear begins to break. What was hidden comes to life. It emerges from the night. You do not need a crown or throne. You were never not your own. Every answer that you seek lives within. It is yours to speak.

Feel it rising. Feel it now.

Welcome to A Saint Thomas Show, where the fire starts to grow. Not a whisper, not an echo. It is the truth you came to know. Step beyond the old control. Take it back. Reclaim your role. This is where your power flows, right here on A Saint Thomas Show.

No more searching outside. No more giving your life away. This is the moment. This is the day. Stand up. Awaken. Remember. Become.

This is A Saint Thomas Show. Feel the energy explode. A new world begins to show from the seeds we choose to grow. No more fear. No more lies. See it now with open eyes. Hear it. Feel it. Let it flow. This is A Saint Thomas Show.

You are not tuning in. You are waking up to A Saint Thomas Show.

Speaker 2 - Host, Saint Thomas / Arrow:
Greetings, greetings, greetings, and salutations. This is A Saint Thomas Show. I am Saint Thomas, the twin. You can call me Arrow. My co-host, Rob Banderson, are you at the table today?

Speaker 3 - Co-Host, Rob Banderson:
I am here at the table.

Speaker 2 - Host, Saint Thomas / Arrow:
Did you get the news that we have special guests?

Speaker 3 - Co-Host, Rob Banderson:
I heard. You told me we have some special people.

Speaker 2 - Host, Saint Thomas / Arrow:
Just wonderful. We will start by saying thank you to BBS Radio. They are our 100 percent technical support. We would not have a show without them. If the listeners have any ideas about doing your own podcast, or if you have music that you would like to put out into the world, call Don and Doug at BBS Radio. They would love to help you get out onto the world stage.

And absolute love to all listeners. There is not a show without you. And a super-duper thank you to all subscribers. Your support is golden.

We also want to give a shout-out to some of our Q family shows: our Q brothers Kevin and Johnny have A Quman's Perspective, Saturday mornings on BBS at 10:00 Central, and our Q sister Teresa Songbird has All Learning Reimagined on BBS, Fridays at 3:00 p.m. Central.

I do not know why. Everybody's guess is as good as mine. Okay, Jim Morrison wants to join us at the table today, of all things. I do not know. I have been given this song to sing. This is just crazy for me to sing this song, but yes, Jim Morrison is in the house today.

Speaker 2 - Host, Saint Thomas / Arrow:
The host sings a portion of "Riders on the Storm" by The Doors.

Okay, just some silliness to get started.

Speaker 3 - Co-Host, Rob Banderson:
Oh, yes.

Speaker 2 - Host, Saint Thomas / Arrow:
Thanks, Jim. I do not know why I had to do that one today, but it came. I love The Doors. I did not get to see Jim Morrison play, but I did get to see the rest of the band. I forget who they had replacing him, but they did a wonderful job. I got to see them when I was younger. It was cool. It was not Jim, but it was still cool.

I had an unexplainable fetish for Jim Morrison, so now that I have been on the Q train, I think maybe I know why I was so in love with Jim Morrison.

Okay, I am so excited and very honored. I have a couple of guests today, and I am going to give them a professional introduction. Thanks to Sheila, who introduced Teresa Songbird. We have a recording coming next Sunday on our twin sister show, Project Review with Q&A. Sheila is interviewing Teresa Songbird, who has All Learning Reimagined, and Sheila showed me how it was done. So I am going to thank Sheila today for helping me introduce guests.

I have a couple of guests, and it is my sincere honor and privilege to introduce two individuals whose voices, vision, and dedication have made a meaningful impact through the world of broadcasting: Don and Doug Newsom of BBS Radio.

For years, BBS Radio has served as a platform where thought-provoking conversations, diverse perspectives, and powerful stories come together. At the heart of that mission are people who understand the importance of listening, connecting, and creating space for voices that deserve to be heard.

Don and Doug Newsom represent more than broadcasters. They represent a commitment to communication, community, and the exchange of ideas. Through their work, they have helped bring forward conversations that inspire curiosity, encourage awareness, and invite listeners to look deeper.

It is with great appreciation and respect that we welcome them today. Their dedication to the craft of radio and their contribution to meaningful dialogue remind us of the lasting power of a microphone, a message, and a willingness to serve others through conversation.

Please join me in warmly welcoming Don and Doug Newsom from BBS Radio. Thank you both for sharing your time, your experience, and your voices with us: the twin Newsom brothers, Don and Doug.

Speaker 4 - Don Newsom:
Well, thank you. This is Don. I appreciate it very much. Gosh, what a wonderful introduction. I mean that. Thank you. I have my twin brother Doug here, and it is such a pleasure to be with you.

Speaker 5 - Doug Newsom:
Thank you, Arrow, and thank you sincerely for the donation you made.

Speaker 2 - Host, Saint Thomas / Arrow:
Yes.

Speaker 5 - Doug Newsom:
Your kindness leaves me speechless. Thank you, thank you, thank you. It really means a lot to us.

My brother and I have been doing this for a long time, and one of the things you experience in doing this sort of business is the ups and downs. The thing that brings you back up, even when you go through periods of time that are really dark, is kindness.

If you could define any word, I mean, love is a brilliant word, but kindness, to me, means love in action. So it is almost more meaningful to me than anything else. I hear people say, "If you could teach everybody one thing, what would it be?" and you see words like respect or something like that. I always think, "No, kindness." If you teach that even to the young, it is an active understanding of love.

So thank you, Arrow, for your kindness. I truly appreciate that. We both do very, very much.

Speaker 2 - Host, Saint Thomas / Arrow:
Well, you guys have been really meaningful in me doing podcasts at all. In my wildest dreams, I never thought I would be doing this.

Probably nine months before my show actually came out, I contacted Doug at the radio station, and his words were so inspiring and helpful. Just to get me started, he got me thinking about the title and how important the title of my show was, and thinking of what a target audience is. He had a lot of input from your side of the platform.

I had no concept of broadcasting, podcasting, TV, radio, nothing. His words were extremely encouraging, very insightful, and very helpful. He has also helped me use this AI computer, so I just do not feel like I would have gotten this far without your help.

Speaker 4 - Don Newsom:
Well, thank you. I appreciate that. Actually, that was Doug who was speaking. Doug is the articulate twin, and he was just speaking, so I just took the mic. This is Don.

We sound quite a bit alike, so it might be hard to discern which is which, but Doug is really the more articulate one. He does all the writing, and most of what you read throughout his postings are things he does not use AI with. He is kind of deliberate in that respect. He feels this has to come from us, from me, and from the heart. That is who he is.

I appreciate you and your kind words. It is really fun to be around such a man. My brother is an individual with, to me, no equal. He is a power unto himself, and I love him dearly. I love you all as well, and I mean that. Thank you. I appreciate it. I am going to swing you back to Doug.

Speaker 2 - Host, Saint Thomas / Arrow:
Thanks. You know, I knew it was Doug, but that is because I have had the pleasure of talking to both of you. You do sound a lot alike, but I get real tickled when Doug answers the phone because I am like, "Okay, this is Doug," and he says yes, and I am like, "Yes, I can tell you apart."

Speaker 5 - Doug Newsom:
You can. You are one of the few people who can. It is amazing.

Speaker 2 - Host, Saint Thomas / Arrow:
I think it helped that I got to meet you guys. I do not know if I can let the cat out of the bag that I was planning a Q party in Texas, and I wanted to bring them to Spring, Texas. You guys were going to let a few of us into the radio station. You also explained to me that you have never let anybody into the radio station. Of course, the party went belly up, but I still came, and I still got to get a nice little tour of the radio station and meet both of you. It was very nice to do that.

Speaker 5 - Doug Newsom:
Yes, I remember. I guess probably because we set it up in a unique way, it is not like we do not want to help people. If somebody were to ask us, "Can you help us?" or "Is there anything that you can disclose?" 99 percent of the time, we are going to help, and we are going to disclose information that may have taken us decades or years to acquire.

We do not really value that in the same way other companies or individuals do. We try to share that freely. I kind of wish other companies would do that too, and I understand why they do not. But I feel that if you gain knowledge through your life, that is when you really should be sharing it, not putting a price tag on it because it took you so long to acquire it.

In regard to the studio, we kind of do that for safety's sake as well. We do not want a lot of people to come into the studio because it is valuable. You do not want people knowing that you have these sorts of systems in place. That is one reason.

The other reason is because my brother and I are somewhat private. There is an aspect of our lives, because we deal with people all the time, 24/7, that we want to kind of remain private too. It is that kind of space for us that we need. Other than that, we are an open door. We really truly are.

Speaker 2 - Host, Saint Thomas / Arrow:
I feel that way when I call in. The generosity of the encouragement that I have gotten from you guys over the phone about doing my show really helped me. It is like a big brother just kind of pushing me where I was really nervous to do something.

You guys were really supportive, and I believe all the Q shows that I have listened to say the same thing in their shows. I do not really want to hog the whole stage. I have a lot of questions I can bring to the table today, but Rob, since you are my co-host, is there anything you would like to ask Doug or Don?

Speaker 3 - Co-Host, Rob Banderson:
Yes. For me, I love getting to the beginning. I guess my question for you guys is: do you remember, or could you bring us and let the listeners know, the moment when you guys were sitting around and came up with the idea? I just want to know where it started and how it evolved from there.

Speaker 5 - Doug Newsom:
Sure. Interesting. My brother and I, when we were growing in the world of business, worked with a lot of individuals and a lot of different companies, including major companies you have heard of, literally at the stages where they were ideas.

You sit around with a group of five or ten or more people, and you hash out how the company is going to be structured and who has what tasks. You formulate an understanding, right? We have done that a lot of times.

Ultimately, in that endeavor to create something, and my brother and I were very young when we started in business, about 16, if you can imagine, we did not understand the value of people. Rather, we valued the project. So if you told me you had something that could be better for humanity, Don and I just got on board.

But if you have people who are bad and you have a great idea, it really goes nowhere. The people who put up all the capital and the time end up losing out. That happened quite a number of times, where my brother and I worked with individuals we thought were noble, and because we were young and had a lot of energy, we got lost in that. We ended up losing a lot of our lives. A couple decades of our lives went to things where, at the end of the day, we had nothing. That happened a few times, up and down.

At the same time, I was working with another company that was developing an organic hair care system, not with any chemicals. I thought, "Well, that is just great." My brother was developing this understanding, and it really came about as a result of his conversations with people who worked with the government in clandestine departments, more like intelligence departments. This was right after 9/11, around the year 2000.

These conversations revolved around interesting subjects like UFOs. My brother was having these conversations and really thought, "Wow, what if we taped these conversations?" At that time, 2002 or 2003, there were blogs. People were typing to each other on the Internet, but you were not really communicating on the Internet outside of typing.

My brother thought, "Wow, these conversations are great. Not only can we record them, maybe we can let other people listen to them on the Internet." That evolved into, "Maybe we can allow other people into the conversation and take calls."

So it really was an organic move from being a blogging site. What we were trying to do was create Blog In Service, a writing forum to be in service, to tell your ideas to the world. Then it became Blog In Broadcasting Service. That is where the B and the S come from in BBS Radio TV.

The blog started, and it became a conversation they had on the phone. Then they aired it. Then they brought in other callers. Then we changed the name, incorporated, and got the website around 2005. It became formally known as BBS Radio. Then, of course, a few years ago when video came into play, we thought, "Boy, we should add to that," and that became the TV portion of it: BBS Radio TV.

Good question.

Speaker 3 - Co-Host, Rob Banderson:
Awesome. Thank you for sharing that with us.

Speaker 2 - Host, Saint Thomas / Arrow:
In 2005, I noticed that you still have archived shows in the list of talk show searches on the right column. You go in there and search talk shows, and I noticed one was dated 2005. So you are still carrying archives from the beginning.

Speaker 5 - Doug Newsom:
We do not like to take down information. We have, but out of maybe a thousand different talk shows and a couple hundred thousand hours of programming, sometimes you have a host who, for example, wanted to go into politics and was running for a high office. They did not want their information to be available any longer, so they said, "Take it all down."

If you are a host, you have a right to that information, and you should be able to do with it as you please. In a sense, so do we, because we co-created it, but we also do not want to harm any individual in their desire to change themselves and not have the past be a reflection on their new future.

Those changes are not made lightly. We have to consider the understanding that information might be of benefit to society, but we do want to help our hosts. That is almost primary, because they come on in good faith, working with good people who have their best interests at heart.

So if hosts tell us, "Take down the information," we do. In some cases, we have had situations where other people have gotten involved, where they have made it known that the information, and this is very rare, but it does happen, where they have made a claim to information.

Because we are a corporation, we have to go by the intention of the law, not just follow it and say, "Oh boy, we could break it, and we have the strength, and we can do whatever we want." No. Society can break at any time. Politics can break at any time. Politics is crazy because people find the loophole.

Lawyers and powerful business people are so successful because you did not write in that clause in the agreement. They are finding ways, always looking for ways to get around things and to hurt people. That is not the spirit that things should evolve with. The spirit is trying to do the best you can with the law as it stands now.

So we go above and beyond board in the protection of information and the individuals who come to us, and even the requests that are made to us. Sometimes information can be taken off, but it is rare, and it is not without cause.

Speaker 2 - Host, Saint Thomas / Arrow:
I just think of the word integrity. In my experience with both of you, that is what rings loud and clear: integrity.

Going back to this idea, I was going to throw this party for the Q trainers. I was talking to Don one day, and I did not have all the contact information for all the Q trainer shows that were going on. There were about 25 people I wanted to invite. Don said, "This is where you are either going to love me or hate me." He had to explain how you guys refuse to share anybody's personal information.

Then he even explained how much money you guys decline by not sharing contact-list information with people who buy that stuff. They spend, I guess, hundreds of thousands of dollars on contact lists, and you guys just do not do that.

Speaker 5 - Doug Newsom:
No. In fact, we believe in people's privacy unless you make it known to us otherwise that you want something else. For us, and with our hosts, we really want them to know it is a safe space.

Even the guests of the hosts, if you have a guest on a show and you give us their phone number, we do not put it in a computer. We put it on a piece of paper, and once your show is done, we throw it away. You can imagine, in over 20 years of broadcasting, we have had some of the most powerful people in the country: senators, doctors, bishops, lawyers, you name it. We have their personal data, but we do not keep it.

The next week, you might have that same guest on the show, and we are saying, "What is their phone number again?" We ask you to make sure you have it available to us, because we do not save it.

That is the same with information. If you put the information on your show page and you want it there, like an email address, great. But if you do not, then nobody should be able to call us up and say, "What is their email address?" or "What is their phone number?" That is just not something we do or ever will do, because my brother and I feel that privacy is paramount and desired until it is not, until the host says, "Please make that available."

Speaker 2 - Host, Saint Thomas / Arrow:
Yes. So there are hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on contact lists that you guys have turned down.

Speaker 5 - Doug Newsom:
More to the point, if you go to a website, a website's information is key for everything today. Information, the big data centers, they want that information. They pay an arm and a leg for it. Information is the new gold.

When you go to websites, they actually have little bots, computer structures that go out and say, "Where did this person just visit from? What is his phone number? What is his email? What is his IP address? Where is he located? Give me all the data on that individual." Then the next day, you are seeing emails from that company or from a website where you clicked on one page.

It is harvesting. They are harvesting your data all the time. We do not. We do not harvest your data. We do not have website applications that harvest data. We do not sell that data, and we do not make that available to anybody.

I think, in today's world, every individual is going to go through a point in the future where they have to deal with these more-in-your-face situations where firms are acquiring your data, selling it, and utilizing it. The companies that probably do not do that are going to miss out on a lot of opportunity and revenue, but our goal has never been about the money.

I think that is really a small place to be in your soul. In fact, I think if you live for eternity and you live 100 years where you are all about the money, it might have a really bad effect for a much longer period of time than most people realize. I do not really want to feel that energy for a long period of time.

I think we are here infinitely, and we might change and evolve, and we are growing together. But I think, like a spiderweb, though we are all angles, different angles on the spiderweb, and we can tune to more angles on that spiderweb, we are still a separate angle even though we are connected.

You do not want it vibrating in such a way where it is creating chaos in your energy. I think that happens because you are not participating with the entire web. As soon as you are not making the whole web more structurally sound, and you are throwing your little angle off, I do not know if it does you any good.

Speaker 2 - Host, Saint Thomas / Arrow:
That is my first note, just to say I love you guys.

Speaker 5 - Doug Newsom:
We love you too, Arrow. Thank you.

Speaker 4 - Don Newsom:
Arrow, gosh, ditto. My heart is always right there with you, truly. Thank you.

Speaker 2 - Host, Saint Thomas / Arrow:
We are kinship for sure.

Speaker 3 - Co-Host, Rob Banderson:
I think it is really interesting the way you guys do it, and it is appreciated. Everybody has their own ways. I like how you guys really respect people's privacy and integrity.

A lot of people are different. Even myself, I have had social media, and I have taken it down. I have had accounts, and I have gotten rid of them. My brother has gotten rid of all his social media, but we still do things together. He does not mind if we share things like that.

Some people are okay with it, and others are okay with it for a time, and then they do not want it. To really respect the hosts and the information that is there, I think that is very important.

Also, what you guys do to deliver it uncensored matters. With algorithms and everything today, you would speak, and what you just shared about companies harvesting data, people do not really understand the true nature of how much our attention is directed through advertising.

This may sound out there, but I was literally thinking the other day about something, and then on the next weather app I opened, there was an ad for the store I was thinking about. I thought, "That is really weird." The fact that you guys do not harvest people's data and manipulate it speaks with a lot of integrity.

To have uncensored material there as a living library, for people to go back to, is really important. Uncensored, I think that is very powerful.

Speaker 5 - Doug Newsom:
Thank you. Yes.

Speaker 2 - Host, Saint Thomas / Arrow:
I can add to the uncensored part, because I have been down all the conspiracy theory rabbit holes. I am starting a show on BBS Radio, and I had a long talk with Don about what I can say and what I cannot say. He said it is open. I could say anything I wanted.

I said, "Really? I could say COVID?" Because I have listened to other people on YouTube or other platforms, Patreon, and they have buzzwords that they totally avoid and skirt around. They will talk about it, but they have to avoid certain buzzwords.

Don said that as long as I was not bashing any of the other hosts on BBS Radio, I was free to speak.

Speaker 5 - Doug Newsom:
Yes, that is our only real rule.

I think the more awareness the individual gains, the more they realize there are diverse opinions and understandings. Even in the political sphere and how it might work, let's say there is right and there is left. The right has a certain understanding, and it needs to accomplish a certain objective, but it makes its understanding knowing that it has to accept part of the left's point of view, which is wrong per se, let's say, because it thinks it is right. So there is a compromise.

That is really why, by the way, politicians do not really know right from wrong. You think, "Why is the political sphere so bad? How can they do that?" Because once you start making those compromises in many ways, you deal with the world over time, and you lose that sense of firmness on what you are going to stand for.

There is still going to be part of you that is going to stand firm on this point and this point and this point, but you kind of lose that overall. So that diverse set of opinions and understandings is still available in the political sphere. You still need to deal with the other individual, know their point of view, and bring it to bear.

As soon as we stop listening to those points of view or bringing those opinions to bear, people start to crawl inside themselves. They get angry. They do not have an outlet, and that is when things go awry.

I honestly feel that even some of the very, very bad people in this world that you see in prison for life probably had something very horrific occur, maybe child abuse, or a family that beat them or molested them, or something along those lines. They did not have any way of sharing that information, maybe because they were embarrassed about it, a lot of things. Without the outlet, even on a political spectrum, you see greater backlash.

Back during the last election or the last couple of elections, Republicans got really upset because they thought they were not being listened to, or the people who got upset about COVID thought they were not being listened to. So there is a greater backlash. It is like the pendulum gets wild. It swings one way and then swings really hard the next way as people get upset with the fact that the other side did not listen.

I honestly feel that the world would be a better place if we understood that there are a lot of opinions, and there are people who have the right to those opinions. Their understanding gives us a better ability to help the system, or help them change, or see something else. But you cannot do that if you do not listen first, no matter what the opinion.

If you were a communist, would I let you on the network? Yes. Share your point of view. Convince me why communism is good. Socialism, same thing. Want to be a republic? Great. Whatever your political opinion is, let's hear it.

When you are sitting around a think tank and you have 30 people at a table, you do not want them all thinking the same thing. It is useless to you. So you want that diverse set of opinions and ideas. Companies that can utilize that use are the ones that move ahead the most.

Companies that push information from the top down, and that is the case with most media companies today, sadly, tend to fail. They might not fail right away because they have billions backing them, or hundreds of billions backing them, but they tend to fail.

We have never approached the world with a top-down understanding. We would rather the information flow from the bottom up.

Speaker 2 - Host, Saint Thomas / Arrow:
Very nice. Yes. I love it.

That is one of the safe tables that we created on my sister show, Project Review with Q&A. We want a safe table where everybody can come and have a voice, and we have deep listening and respect for each other as holding value.

There is a quote out there. Oh, it is right here on top of a newspaper. This is by Evelyn Beatrice Hall: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Evelyn Beatrice Hall. I love that.

Speaker 5 - Doug Newsom:
Powerful quote. Powerful quote.

Speaker 2 - Host, Saint Thomas / Arrow:
Yes. How about Rob? Do you have something else before I go on and on?

Speaker 3 - Co-Host, Rob Banderson:
Sorry, I was muted. I was talking away, and then I realized I was muted.

Anyway, I do not do politics. I have never voted. I did study political science in university, but I think politics is a tricky thing because everybody is going to have diverse opinions. I do not get involved in it. I do not want to be in that debate. I like having good discussions, but I would vote.

I think we are going to get to the point with technology and information, and obviously Don and Doug know way more about that sort of stuff. My brother is an IT guy, so he is kind of on that side of things. He is not a twin brother, but everybody thinks we are twins, so I get the brother relationship. My brother and I are like best friends as well.

I think we live in a world now where we have the technology and the power, if we do want to live in these systems, to have a direct democracy. We do not need representative government. I do not want to give my vote, my authority, my sovereignty, over to somebody else whom I have never met because I liked a few words that they said on the podium one time.

I think now, the way the world is designed, we can choose. If we are going to live away from society on our homesteads, okay, that is great. But if we are still going to create a community there in some way, you cannot be totally isolated and self-sufficient. I guess you can, but it would be lonely.

How can we integrate the systems that we have and make them better? I think of things like the Department of Government Deficiency, Conscious Gateways, and quantum computing. They have been used to manipulate us, like Doug was saying, used to manipulate us to sell things to us, capture our attention, instill dogmas or agendas or timelines or thoughts, or whatever you want to call propaganda.

Now I think we have the opportunity. Why do we not use this technology and put it to good use? Instead of trying to sell people things they do not need, let's get a direct democracy. When we need to do something, instead of ten people deciding for everybody else, everybody has the opportunity to say, "I either want this or I do not," and the majority wins. It is as simple as that: direct democracy.

Then we are not giving away our rights or our authority. We might not like some of those outcomes, but at least we had a sincere say in directing them, rather than just being like, "Well, I voted for this party." I think the party is over. The party is done. We do not need a party anymore.

I think that you guys having the information in that sort of way is very, very powerful. You are not directing it or favoring it; the information is just there for people to find or use as a tremendous resource, so thank you guys.

Speaker 4 - Don Newsom:
Rob, thank you. I appreciate that. This is Don again. I was just listening to your words. I concur. I truly do.

Personally, between you and me, I am Canadian. I am still Canadian. I never did get my U.S. citizenship like my brother, so I too have never voted. Even if I could, I would not. I cannot explain more of the why. That is kind of a personal reason, but I would not. I just do not want to add my voice to it in that respect, because I am not an American. I was not born here.

Even if I did have the right to vote, or I could go down and cheat and get a vote regardless, I would not do that. But what I have learned in the charade, I would almost have to say we are living in many respects, is that it is theater. It is a charade in many respects.

I have learned a lot about people and the various opinions, many of which I would not even have anticipated, because it is so diverse, and people have brilliant minds. There are so many brilliant minds out there that I am learning almost every day.

That is a wonderful thing about being in a studio with a lot of talk shows. You think you know it all, and then you do not. I get a lot of information that is constantly teaching me. The more information I get, the more I realize I have to listen, pay attention, and understand those other points of view.

That has been a real growth curve. I was speaking with a senator the other day, and we got into a little heated debate. I said something, which I have said a couple of times before, but it really comes down to growth, which only happens when you have a teacher, a teaching, or a lesson.

That lesson, or that teacher, is the darkness, for all intents and purposes. You have people who have a different point of view, or they are very antagonistic, or they are evil people. In those times, that is when you grow the most, if you are willing to listen.

To me, it is all about being here on Earth, growing, and having a soul grow as much as it can. My brother feels the same way. It is spiritual growth we are trying to attain, and the rest is all going to be dust.

The only thing that survives is really what we are talking about now: the communication, that energy of talk and thought, which will survive through infinity. Everything else is just going to be dust: the money, the homes, the cars, everything. When you look at it in that respect, it is the growth of the soul that is the most important.

I am going to swing you through to Doug. Rob, I appreciate your opinions and thoughts. Arrow, of course, I am going to let Doug finish this out, but I love you all very much. Thank you for allowing us to be a part of your show today. I mean it.

Speaker 2 - Host, Saint Thomas / Arrow:
Thank you, Don. Thank you, Doug. Thanks, Don.

Speaker 5 - Doug Newsom:
I want to state this. I think Don meant more like the darkness is not darkness; it is change. Anytime you are uncomfortable and you have to bend like a reed, whether it is in a family or because you have a partner who is a little bit different, those people who bend and adapt get closer. The rigid things kind of break away.

Opinions and understandings, dark and light, create change. That change may never be comfortable, but if I put you on bliss on tap, and you were born sucking bliss, you would not know the value of it. Sooner or later, it would be infinite bliss, but you would not understand it. You would just be kind of there. You would not be aware of the value of it until you came off of bliss. Then you might want it back really bad, and you would start to understand the value of these things.

Nothing can stay the same. That is why everything is in constant motion and movement. It is that change that propels growth. It is the other opinions that propel growth, not your own. How do you learn if you are just dealing with the information you have brought forward? Maybe you can, but it will not be as fast as learning with all the information brought forward by everybody.

I just want to qualify that with Don, because we are of the same opinion. We just love people, and we both do not vote, by the way.

Speaker 4 - Don Newsom:
I would like to thank you for clarifying that. You are absolutely right. Thank you.

Speaker 5 - Doug Newsom:
It is not that we do not have a voice. Rather, when you are in media, it is best not to have an opinion, if you can. It is kind of like meditating. You open your mind to everything, and you let it flow into you. As soon as you start thinking about this or entering doubt, you are not letting that energy freely flow into you.

It is that openness that really brings in all the outside energy, per se. I believe that is true even when it comes to how we want to deal with this company. It is the same way. We want to be an open source, not a source that already has its own stick to play.

Speaker 2 - Host, Saint Thomas / Arrow:
Talking about change, there are big changes coming with BBS Radio, and that is what is really bringing us here today. But there is another topic I do not want to lose track of. We never talked about the music.

Another thing that has really impressed me about your station is that you showcase all kinds of music on the platform. You let people send music into you, and you do all of this without the icon of the record label, which we have all learned is maybe on the dark side of things. You do not own and control people and their music. You let them have free expression, and you really showcase great music that way.

But then it is time to transition into what is going on with BBS, what your new inspirations are going forward, what your passions are, and how the listeners can help you do that.

Speaker 5 - Doug Newsom:
Thank you, Arrow. We have been through so many challenges, even while building this company. We have been in two fires and one flood, literally two fires and one flood, and that sets you back. You cannot get through losing everything in a week, a month, or even a year.

In fact, the 2018 Paradise Camp Fire, which took 87 lives, and we were in it, took everything. I am still dealing with that, and it is years later. I am still dealing with it, not mentally, but financially and in other ways. It sets you back.

Because of those things that occurred, even though we were at the top of our business realm at one point, you cannot be slow in technology when it moves so fast. If you do not adapt and change fairly rapidly, you fall behind.

One of the things a company has to do, just like a bar, let's say you go to a bar, and for some reason a few years later, nobody is showing up at that bar. I do not go to bars now, but when I was younger I used to, and I was told it has to change every few years. It has to change a little bit.

It is the same with this business. Every few years, you have to put money into it. A business always has to pick a point where it says, "I have to change and meet the new demand, the new desires by people." In this case, it is the new technologies, and that costs money.

My brother and I are developing a new website right now that is going to be faster, better, smarter, and more appealing. It is everything we want, but we literally have to start it from scratch and build with new code and new environments because the old environments cannot really be updated. You can, but then you have to update so many other things that it becomes cost-prohibitive.

For example, we were developing applications. My brother and I put a lot of our own money into this company. We constantly do this. We constantly give our own money to this company, but it is not enough and not fast enough. We were developing these apps, and they took too long. Then the code that we used became outdated.

Right now, we are in a position where we can utilize AI to do things much faster, maybe not a hundred times faster, but 20 or 30 times faster, at a tenth of the cost. So we are developing new websites and new applications. We have a team of very, very great coders and people who really understand AI developing this for us. Because of our relationship, they are doing it for very little money.

We think we are going to be able to come out with all of our information as it is, in a system that can really propel that information far better than we have ever done in the past, and put us in a position where we can really compete again.

That is what we are doing. It will not take that long, and it is not going to be that costly. It is just that my brother and I have literally been putting so much of our own capital into this company over the past few years that you get to a point where that capital is just not there for you to be able to continue. We could not continue to do it, or else it would not really be feasible.

Can we do it? Yes. My brother and I have other businesses that we work at that make capital, but it is slow. Rather than doing a project over a month or two, we could do it, but it would take six months or a year, and by then you are already out to lunch. That is not really a good thing, and that is what we are dealing with currently.

So we are raising money through a GoFundMe campaign. It is on our website at bbsradio.com, where people can help us, and we would truly appreciate that.

We know times are tough. It is tough to give, and believe me, I feel that energy from so many people we deal with, because the world is changing. It is tougher out there today. But any act of kindness would be so appreciated, because it is so sorely needed. We truly believe we can help society in a way that is meaningful and impactful, and so your dollars will go to good use.

We appreciate that from the bottom of our hearts. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 - Host, Saint Thomas / Arrow:
Well, I am not an expert on websites, but you did send me a little showcase of what the new one will look like, and it is spectacular, actually. It is very nice. It has lots of pictures and colors, and it is very presentable. I am excited. I would like it to happen tomorrow.

Speaker 5 - Doug Newsom:
Right. Yes. It is truly a brilliant design with brilliant people. We are excited about the future. We are going to get there, no matter what. I believe that.

I can live with hope. I am one of those individuals who, no matter how difficult the days are, always has the feeling inside that something good will come from it. That propels me forward, and my brother too.

We love what we do. The energy here is just, we have been blessed. We have been blessed because we deal with so many beautiful people who are really trying to make a positive difference in this world. That is why we work hard.

We do not have a voice. My brother and I do not get on and do our own talk shows, but we have brilliant hosts like you, Arrow, and Rob, who truly and meaningfully want to make a difference in people's lives and have a positive impact. That is worth everything to my brother and me.

If you had a society that only wanted to do that for the rest of society, how could you not want to participate with that?

Speaker 2 - Host, Saint Thomas / Arrow:
I just have to say, very well, I want to throw in another reason I absolutely love you guys. I am all about the Mother Planet, and anybody who plants a tree has my A-plus. How many fruit trees did you guys plant on the property I witnessed?

Speaker 5 - Doug Newsom:
About 62. We truly believe if you plant a tree, why not have it provide you some sort of sustenance? I often look at neighbors and say, "Boy, there could have been an apple tree, and there could have been a peach tree."

We probably would not have hunger in this world if, along the sides of the road, rather than just throwing up pine trees and everything, we were planting fruit trees everywhere. We could do that, and I do not understand why we do not. I am not going to go into that, but it puzzles me a little.

Speaker 3 - Co-Host, Rob Banderson:
I love that, because where I live, we have a lot of apple trees. I will go on a morning walk and grab an apple. There are mulberry trees everywhere as well, so I will grab mulberries and blackberries and wild strawberries.

I am in the city, and the farmland is about 10 kilometers away, but if you go, it is there, if you look for it. I totally agree with you guys. We have quite a number of fruit trees here and pear trees and stuff, but I still feel like we could have a lot more.

A lot of people think they are a nuisance, though. I work for a tree company, so I also see how much people actually care about their trees when the trees are sick, when there are pests, and when they need to fertilize them and keep them growing.

I have one client, I think I mentioned this on this show or another one. I went to her house, and she brought me into her backyard. I was just like, "Wow, that tree is massive." She said, "Yes, they estimate it to be over 300 years old." Just to stand beneath that, in that majesty and the wonder of it all, is amazing.

I think there should definitely be more fruit trees on all the boulevards. That would definitely help with hunger.

Speaker 2 - Host, Saint Thomas / Arrow:
Thank you, Rob.

So those are my closing comments: plant a tree and help BBS Radio stay on the world stage, get caught up, and show us some phenomenal websites that we can all be a part of. Come bring your music. Come bring your podcasts, and find the bbsradio.com GoFundMe page.

Any closing statements from you, Rob?

Speaker 3 - Co-Host, Rob Banderson:
No, just thank you guys so much for coming on, and thank you for the services you provide.

It is very synchronistic that you guys came on, because I was always wondering why I had not heard anybody interview Don and Doug. It is great to hear you guys come on and share your inspiration. I think it is important for the listeners to know and to get a real behind-the-scenes look, because a lot of people, when they do not understand a business, do not really see the ups and downs, or how much you guys put in, or how much of your own capital you put in.

I have done my own business. I have gone all in with things. I have lost all my savings, but you have to do it. I think you guys share that. When times are tough and you have to keep going, it is inspirational. I think people will show up to support that.

Thank you guys. I hope the listeners will help support you as well, because it is a very valuable resource and service, in my opinion.

Speaker 2 - Host, Saint Thomas / Arrow:
And then, Don and Doug, closing?

Speaker 5 - Doug Newsom:
Thank you. Thank you both. Arrow, thank you. It was a delight. It truly was. It was a real treat for us.

Speaker 4 - Don Newsom:
And to the fathers out there, a very happy Father's Day.

Speaker 5 - Doug Newsom:
Yes, happy Father's Day.

Speaker 2 - Host, Saint Thomas / Arrow:
Thank you. Thanks, everyone. It is a wrap. Love, love, love. Thank you.