Inspired Radio, March 24, 2026
Inspired Radio with Helen Taylor
Guest, Annabelle Hemming
Annabelle Hemming asked a question why some people truly transform their lives while others remain stuck — that began a journey from motherhood to mediumship to photonic healing. Her website https://www.willtoflow.com
From Crisis to Coherence: The Mechanics of Photonic Healing
In this insightful episode of Inspired Radio, host Helen Taylor sits down with Annabelle Hemming (also known as Annette) to discuss her profound journey from a traumatic childhood and debilitating illness to the creation of "Photonic Healing." Hemming explores the mechanics of human consciousness, detailing how individuals can move from states of constriction to stabilization and, ultimately, expansive transformation.
The Path of Sensitivity and Awakening
Annabelle’s journey began with a childhood marked by adversity, leading her to make a silent promise at age six to provide a different life for her future children. This early sensitivity to "the field"—the energetic broadcast system of those around her—was initially overwhelming, leading her to use alcohol and substances from the age of 12 to suppress her intuitive abilities and fit into social norms. It was not until her first pregnancy that she embraced sobriety, triggering a series of spiritual awakenings and visual experiences that eventually led her to study mediumship and energy mechanics.
Through her training in mediumship circles, Hemming learned the vital importance of curiosity over judgment. She defines curiosity as an intentional state that must be disciplined and practiced opening up new potentials. By treating the nervous system as an antenna that both sends and receives signals from the external environment, she began to understand the "architecture" of human interaction and the necessity of trusting one's internal compass.
The Antenna Model of Consciousness
The human system operates as a broadcast and reception unit.
The Crucible of Ross River Virus
A major turning point occurred in November 2024 when Annabellee contracted the Ross River virus, a condition that left her in excruciating pain and extreme fatigue for eleven months. This period of "physical hell" forced a total reset, stripping away non-essential relationships and business activities to establish "energetic sovereignty." During this crisis, she began to look inward rather than outward for answers, leading to the development of the Photonic Healing framework. Her recovery was eventually catalyzed by a unique "bull ant" cure—a synchronicity that flared her nervous system back into balance.
The Mechanics of Emotional Suppression and States
The core of Hemming’s framework distinguishes between Emotions and States. Emotions are temporary signals from the field that must be felt and released; when suppressed, they create "vulnerabilities" or densities within the physical body. States, however, are baselines that we can consciously anchor. She identifies three pillars of states: Constriction (fear, guilt), Stabilization (safety, trust, presence), and Expansion (love, joy, power). She emphasizes that jumping from constriction to expansion without first stabilizing the nervous system often leads to a system collapse.
The Three Pillars of Human States
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Constriction: Energy draws inward (Fear, Worry, Guilt). The common baseline for many. -
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Stabilization: The neutral ground (Safety, Trust, Presence). Necessary to prevent burnout. -
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Expansion: Energy broadcasts outward (Love, Joy, Power). Facilitates magnetism and growth.
Coherence as a Tool for Change
Hemming argues that "coherence entrains"—meaning a practitioner sitting in a high-amplitude, coherent state can help others bring their own systems into sync. This approach moves away from traditional trauma work that can be re-traumatizing if done in a constricted state. Instead, by establishing a foundation of safety and trust, individuals can process past experiences without collapsing. This shift is not only personal but global, as the world moves from a consensus of constriction toward a new paradigm of collective safety.
Key Data
- Childhood Epiphany: Occurred at age 6, forming the intent for her life's work.
- Substance Use: Began at age 12 as a coping mechanism for hypersensitivity.
- Crisis Timeline: Contracted Ross River virus in November 2024; illness lasted 11 months.
- Framework: Photonic Healing: The Mechanics of Human Consciousness (upcoming book).
To-Do / Next Steps
- Annabelle aims to finish the book manuscript by the end of March.
- Refine the fundamentals of the framework to ensure every aspect has been questioned and validated.
- Continue offering one-on-one private sessions to help individuals experience photonic healing and coherence entrainment.
- Maintain active engagement with the community via the website (willtoflow.com) and Instagram (@will2flow).
Conclusion
Annabelle Hemming’s story is a testament to the power of embodiment. By transforming her own "dark night of the soul" into a structured framework for consciousness, she provides a roadmap for others to move beyond repetitive cycles of stuckness. Her work suggests that true transformation requires more than insight; it requires the stabilization of the nervous system and the courage to remain curious in the face of constriction.
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00:02
Speaker 1
Okay. Good afternoon, Melbourne. Good afternoon, Australia. And good day or good evening to all our international viewers or listeners as well. I'm Helen Taylor. Welcome to my show, Inspired Radio. I'm here with you every Monday, 4:00 PM Melbourne Australia time, and Sunday, 11:00 PM Central Time for US and Canada, for conversations and stories to inspire you. This is the BBS Radio TV platform, and we're going live to over 190 outlets worldwide. Before we get started though, I'd like to thank the sponsors. Thank you sponsors for the show. You're our foundation, and you keep the show alive, so thank you very much to each and every one of you. Inspired Radio is all about change and getting uncomfortable and shaking up the status quo, because we're breaking free from limiting systems and embracing our infinite potential.
00:59
Speaker 1
My guests are here to tell their story, to reveal how they've overcome change and made better lives for themselves, and others of course, and to inspire you with their stories, because storytelling is changing the world. Today on the show I'm joined by someone who asks the kind of questions that don't let you off the hook, the deep ones, you know? Annabelle Hummel, and she's been exploring a powerful and provocative question: Why do some people truly transform their lives while others remain stuck in repetition, despite insight, despite therapy or spiritual practice? It's a very good question. It's the driving force behind her upcoming book, Photonic Healing: The Mechanics of Human Consciousness, where she blends science, consciousness, and lived experience into a bold new perspective on transformation. And here's what I really want to know: How does a mother of two transform into a photonic healer? That's a journey worth unpacking.
02:07
Speaker 1
(laughs) So let's find out. Welcome, welcome, welcome, Annabelle.
02:12
Speaker 2
Hi, Helen. How are you going? (laughs)
02:14
Speaker 1
Good. Thank you. Good.
02:16
Speaker 2
(laughs) .
02:16
Speaker 1
So, that's a good question, isn't it? So before we get deep into the photonics and energy, um, how did you get on this path?
02:25
Speaker 2
It's been, it's been a really wild journey, and I ask myself that as well. It's like, I guess being a mother of two and, you know, at this point in time, they're three and five, so it's been over their lifespan that this has, that this has unfolded. But my whole journey unfolded just after the birth of, of my first daughter, and so it started from there, but it actually started a lot earlier than that. I didn't have the easiest childhood, and one of the memories from my childhood, when I was six-
02:57
Speaker 1
Yep.
02:57
Speaker 2
... I made a promise to myself that my children would have a very different childhood than me.
03:03
Speaker 1
Right. (laughs)
03:03
Speaker 2
And that promise really shaped me, unconsciously as well, to, I guess, you know, find the right father for my children, to provide them with a stable, um, environment growing up with-
03:16
Speaker 1
Sure.
03:16
Speaker 2
... but also for me too, because for me, being a mother, it's not just, you know, I guess, doing the things and, you know, being there. And it's, it's also about my journey and who I am and the depth of me. And I always knew that, you know, there was something deeper within me. There was more potential, yes, but there was also more for me to explore as well. And-
03:40
Speaker 1
There's something else going on.
03:42
Speaker 2
(laughs)
03:42
Speaker 1
Isn't it? Something else going on. (laughs) I think everyone can relate-
03:45
Speaker 2
Yeah.
03:45
Speaker 1
... to what you're saying there too. You know, adversity is a very, very, um, um, significant thing in our lives. But even to have that thought as a child, I had that when I was, you know, when I first had my children, I had the epiphany that, "I'm not going to raise them like my parents. I'm going to do something different." But you were having that epiphany as a child.
04:07
Speaker 2
Yeah. And I didn't realize it at the time, but I did, and, you know, perhaps it's just the way that I perceive energy and, you know, my sensitivities back then, or perhaps it was just the environment that I grew up in.
04:19
Speaker 1
So hang on. So w- what-
04:20
Speaker 2
Perhaps an awareness-
04:21
Speaker 1
What were you taught... What do you mean, how you were perceiving energy, and what were you doing as a child?
04:27
Speaker 2
Just the way that we perceive each other's nervous systems. So, energy is a broad word, and I try to avoid it because, you know, energy is everything. But just how we perceive each other and living within a household that was based on survival and, um, constricting states. You know, as a child, to, to look at that, and for me, I was the youngest as well, and to see, I guess, you know, my older siblings and my mom and the whole situation kind of as it was, um, and, and maybe-
04:57
Speaker 1
So you were watching, you were watching the dynamics of-
04:59
Speaker 2
Yeah, the dynamics.
05:00
Speaker 1
... what, what was going on.
05:01
Speaker 2
Yeah.
05:01
Speaker 1
Because you weren't saying... A- as a young toddler or child, you weren't saying constricting energies. That's parent you.
05:07
Speaker 2
No, no, no, of course not.
05:08
Speaker 1
That's the current version of you talking.
05:10
Speaker 2
Yes. Yes.
05:10
Speaker 1
But that child was watching the dynamics-
05:14
Speaker 2
Yeah.
05:14
Speaker 1
... of her older siblings and parents. And what were you noticing?
05:19
Speaker 2
I, I guess like thinking into it, I didn't specifically know. I just knew that it wasn't right.
05:27
Speaker 1
Yes. Yes.
05:28
Speaker 2
I knew that, like, as a child, it's like you don't sit there and say, "Well, you know, Mom's stressed because she's bringing in a single income. She's having to do all of this and, you know, putting responsibilities on older children and the family being broken up." Like, you don't, you don't sit there and perceive that as a child. You just know-
05:45
Speaker 1
Hmm.
05:45
Speaker 2
... I guess, for me, I just knew that this wasn't right and this wasn't-
05:49
Speaker 1
Yeah.
05:49
Speaker 2
... no- a normal childhood.
05:50
Speaker 1
Yes.
05:50
Speaker 2
And to know that at six was just... Yeah, I can't ex- you know, ex- exactly explain that, but I just had that perception.
05:58
Speaker 1
Yeah.
05:58
Speaker 2
Yeah.
05:58
Speaker 1
I hear you loud and clear 'cause I was about the same age having the same things. I was thinking, "Why can't they love each other?"
06:04
Speaker 2
Yeah.
06:05
Speaker 1
Why isn't everybody happy?
06:07
Speaker 2
Yeah. (laughs)
06:08
Speaker 1
Just to understand. Okay, okay, so, you've been questioning since you started walking, by the sounds of it. (laughs)
06:14
Speaker 2
Basically. Basically, yeah. And, you know, it's, it's not just questioning, it's, it's curiosity too.
06:20
Speaker 1
Yes.
06:20
Speaker 2
Because it's not sitting there being, I guess, judgmental on it. It's saying, "Well, why is it like this?"
06:26
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
06:26
Speaker 2
"Why is it like this?" And that's been the- my whole journey, is to dive deeper into my curiosity and, and questioning, and not just, I guess, settling for everything that's, that's on the surface, or everything that I'm told, because, you know-
06:41
Speaker 1
That's beautiful.
06:42
Speaker 2
Yeah.
06:42
Speaker 1
That's absolutely beautiful. And I mean, you know, I, I, that opening statement that I made about, why do some people truly transform and others remain stuck, do you think that asking those questions and that curiosity is something to do with it?
06:56
Speaker 2
Absolutely.
06:58
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
06:58
Speaker 2
Absolutely. Because, for me, curiosity, if you can't ask questions about yourself, and there's a difference between being, you know, judgmental and saying, "Ugh, why am I like this?" than being curious and going, "Well, I'm acting in this way. Where is this from?" You know, "How can I, you know, change positively?" You know, curiosity and judgment, they are two completely different, you know, states.
07:23
Speaker 1
Yeah.
07:23
Speaker 2
And curiosity is an emotion as well.
07:25
Speaker 1
Yeah.
07:25
Speaker 2
But, you know, it can transform into a state.
07:28
Speaker 1
And even as you were talking, you could hear, judgment is closed. It's c-
07:31
Speaker 2
Yeah, it's, it's a constricting state.
07:34
Speaker 1
Your curiosity is open.
07:35
Speaker 2
Mm-hmm.
07:35
Speaker 1
Beautiful.
07:36
Speaker 2
Yes, yes.
07:36
Speaker 1
Beautiful. Okay. All right. I wonder, though, do you think... Is that wired into some of us and not wired into others?
07:44
Speaker 2
I don't believe... I don't believe it's about wiring. So, if we look at emotions, emotions are a communication. So they're a signal from the field. And they arise. And so we can be curious about something, and that means it's a path that's opening for us. But it's an emotion, so it doesn't last. Whereas curiosity as a state is more intentional, and it needs to be learned. So, you know, we can have a question pop into our mind, and it's up to us whether we follow it or not. But that's when the discipline comes into it. So we need to be conscious about our curiosity and the questions that we're asking and actually following through on it. 'Cause the more that we can do that, the more it actually turns into a state within us, and the more that we can embody it, and the more that opens up the potentials around us, which is, which is really cool.
08:32
Speaker 1
Okay, everybody. I know we might have lost just a few of you out there, 'cause she just went deep again.
08:37
Speaker 2
(laughs)
08:37
Speaker 1
This woman loves the depth. She loves just going there. And, yeah, for some of them out there, firstly, what's the field? For people who don't understand what the field is.
08:47
Speaker 2
Sure. The field in, in my framework is basically our broadcast system. So, it's, it's how we perceive others' states and nervous systems and different aspects of, of, of who we are. So it's when we, you know, walk into a room and we, we see somebody and we instantly get a feeling, so we can-
09:06
Speaker 1
So are you talking about what, what has been called an aura?
09:09
Speaker 2
Yes, yes.
09:10
Speaker 1
Right. Okay. Mm-hmm.
09:12
Speaker 2
Yes. Yeah, yeah. But for me, it's, it's looking deep, and it's not just saying, "Well, we just have an aura." It's, it's, "Well, what is it? How does it work? And what is composed of it?"
09:22
Speaker 1
Yeah.
09:22
Speaker 2
And so, you know, for me, asking my questions... (laughs)
09:25
Speaker 1
Yes.
09:25
Speaker 2
You know, it's, it's we have a nervous system, and our nervous system is our internal compass from, from our field. And so our field, it picks up other people's states-
09:36
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
09:36
Speaker 2
... and emotions, and it also broadcasts our own. And our nervous system translate that, translates that to our body.
09:43
Speaker 1
Well, it's a bit like an antenna. It sends and receives and sends and receives, doesn't it?
09:47
Speaker 2
Yeah, exactly.
09:48
Speaker 1
And again, but again, let's, let's get back to where we were before, to the six-year-old. So she grows up, and she goes and gets herself married, and she has children, because what you said earlier was, um, really, things started to change when you had your first child, right? So tell me what changed. What started to happen?
10:08
Speaker 2
So, I started to have really interesting experiences, um, with spirit, and I guess grandparents dropping in as well, and, um, not really knowing it at the time. But then, it, it opened up, a path opened up for me, to, to sit within a psychic and mediumship circle. And so that was, that was when, when things really started to shift.
10:32
Speaker 1
So it began to shift. Yeah. Yeah, okay. So, but up until then, in the interim in your life-
10:36
Speaker 2
Mm-hmm.
10:36
Speaker 1
... hadn't had any experiences like that? It's, life was just pretty status quo, so to speak?
10:43
Speaker 2
Well, it's interesting, (laughs) 'cause I wouldn't say that it was status quo. But, you know, I didn't have an easy childhood. I didn't have an easy teenagehood.
10:53
Speaker 1
Yep.
10:53
Speaker 2
And from my early teenagehood, I relied a lot on, you know, alcohol and substance.
11:00
Speaker 1
Okay.
11:00
Speaker 2
So, basically, it wasn't so much addiction in the sense of addicted to a substance. It was addiction to who I became when I was on it.
11:09
Speaker 1
Yes.
11:10
Speaker 2
And so, you know, for the first time in my life, when I started drinking at 12 years old, people started to accept me. And so I thought, "W- well, this is who I am. This is the person I am." And, you know, that pattern, it's, you know, repeated until I became pregnant, basically.
11:27
Speaker 1
Yeah.
11:27
Speaker 2
And so, you know, I didn't know who or I didn't like who I was when I wasn't-
11:33
Speaker 1
And I must, I must say, Annette, thank you, thank you so much for going there, love.
11:37
Speaker 2
Yes.
11:37
Speaker 1
Because, hey, you know, all it says to me is, boy, it must have been tough for you to start alcohol at 12. You must have been going through hell, okay?
11:46
Speaker 2
Yes.
11:47
Speaker 1
But thank you for being frank and being open with everybody, 'cause that isn't an easy thing to do, okay? Um, coming from... I'm an ex-drug addict, alcoholic, drug dealer, like whatever, you know. I, I've kind of come to terms with all of that. But I hear what you're saying, and a lot of people out there will too. You know, we get lost in conformity. We get lost in behaving and being who we're supposed to be. And it's our only way of trying to keep connected with, you know, something else. Yeah?
12:19
Speaker 2
Yeah.Yeah, exactly.
12:20
Speaker 1
Thank you for sharing that part. So, you went off the rails-
12:23
Speaker 2
(laughs)
12:24
Speaker 1
... off the tracks, as, as people like to see it, or they like to put it, and then you fell pregnant, and everything started to change. Is that how it worked?
12:33
Speaker 2
Yeah. So I was always sensitive to other people.
12:36
Speaker 1
Yes.
12:37
Speaker 2
And I think, you know, using, uh, alcohol and substance suppressed that. And so, you know, therefore, that funny, witty, charming person was able to come out. And so, you know, falling pregnant was the first nine months of my life where I was sober.
12:52
Speaker 1
Yeah.
12:52
Speaker 2
And so, you know, I, I started to have all these, these visual experiences, but I didn't really know what it was. I just kind of thought, you know, "Oh, well, that's, that's kind of, you know, um, my grandmother-in-law that's just popping up in the kitchen." I'm like, "Okay." It just-
13:07
Speaker 1
Were you-
13:07
Speaker 2
... kind of made sense. It was natural.
13:09
Speaker 1
Y- were you seeing her? Were you hearing her? How was it working for you?
13:13
Speaker 2
Yeah. So I, it's, it's a pretty cool story, but it was just one night. It was a week before I gave birth. And, um, this grandma in particular, that's who we named our first daughter after.
13:26
Speaker 1
Oh, wow.
13:27
Speaker 2
And I was walking through the kitchen, just, you know, going to the toilet as you do when you're, you know, nine months pregnant, having to go multiple times, and I just keep see- kept seeing this lady in the kitchen-
13:36
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
13:36
Speaker 2
... um, just in my mind's eye, and she was holding a pink birthday cake, and I was like, "Oh, you know, that's, that's my, yeah, partner's grandma." I just knew it was.
13:44
Speaker 1
Right.
13:44
Speaker 2
And we didn't know the sex of our child. We waited until birth.
13:48
Speaker 1
Yes. Right.
13:49
Speaker 2
Um, but the really cool part was a week later, I, uh, went into labor on this grandmother's birthday, and then, you know, she ended up being a little girl, which was really beautiful.
14:00
Speaker 1
That's incredible.
14:02
Speaker 2
Yeah.
14:03
Speaker 1
It's her birthday, and she's there holding the pink cake, so-
14:06
Speaker 2
Yep.
14:07
Speaker 1
... and you're opening up. So you've got yourself nine months sober-
14:11
Speaker 2
Yeah.
14:12
Speaker 1
... because you're pregnant and you want the best for your child, right? And bless her for being the catalyst for you as well, I suppose, in all of it.
14:20
Speaker 2
Yeah. Yep.
14:21
Speaker 1
And, and your, th- I don't know what you call them, your abilities, whatever you want to label them, start to open up.
14:30
Speaker 2
Yep. Yes, exactly.
14:32
Speaker 1
Okay. So then your little one is born, and what happens? How does the journey into mediumship start to happen?
14:39
Speaker 2
So, it's just, you know, I'll never forget seeing her on my chest and her eyes, the first time they opened looking at me. It just absolutely cracked my heart open.
14:49
Speaker 1
Right.
14:50
Speaker 2
And perhaps that was the real catalyst.
14:52
Speaker 1
Yes.
14:52
Speaker 2
You know, seeing your first child on your chest, and just seeing their eyes look into yours, it's just a whole array of emotions that just come in then.
15:03
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
15:04
Speaker 2
But at that point, you know, I was still very ignorant about, I guess, my life and what I'd been through, and so, you know, I had no idea of the journey that I was about to step into.
15:14
Speaker 1
Yeah.
15:15
Speaker 2
But it was, it was stepping into the mediumship circle. So I, my, my mentor at the time, or who, he became my mentor, I had a reading with him, and he basically said to me, you know, "You're, you're sensitive to, to energy, you're sensitive to spirit. You should be, you should be studying this."
15:31
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
15:32
Speaker 2
And so, you know, he had a circle, and, um, a place opened up about four months after I'd given birth to, to my eldest daughter, and so I thought, "You know, I'm, I'm gonna do it." And it was crazy because it was the first time in my life that I ever stepped outside of, you know, what was known within my circle.
15:53
Speaker 1
Yes.
15:53
Speaker 2
And, you know, that was friends, that was family, that was everything. Like, it was very odd for me to go and do that. And even for me to say that to people, you know, everybody would be like, "Oh. Oh, you're, you're doing that?" (laughs) You know what I mean?
16:06
Speaker 1
Yeah. Yeah. Who is this woman?
16:08
Speaker 2
(laughs)
16:08
Speaker 1
Who is she? She has a baby, and then, you know, she starts doing all this crazy stuff.
16:13
Speaker 2
Yeah. It's just crazy, isn't it?
16:15
Speaker 1
You know, people don't know how to handle, like, change of that sort of sh- that, that caliber.
16:20
Speaker 2
Yeah, exactly. And for me, you know, I like to embrace things when they come, and especially things that really spark my curiosity, because I remember sitting in circle and going, "There's something in this that everybody needs to know."
16:35
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
16:35
Speaker 2
And, you know, I know that we all layer it with our own interpretation and experience, but, you know, I guess the mechanics and the architecture below it, I knew that there was something in there that was so beneficial for everybody-
16:48
Speaker 1
Yeah.
16:48
Speaker 2
... to really understand.
16:50
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm. Wow. And it's not like you had m- much of anything else to do, having a newborn baby and a, and a home, and a-
16:57
Speaker 2
No. Oh, no, nothing.
16:58
Speaker 1
... and a job. (laughs)
16:58
Speaker 2
Not much. (laughs)
16:59
Speaker 1
(laughs) Wow, that's incredible. So you opened up Pandora's dot box. You opened up a door, or it opened up for you, by the sounds of (inaudible) .
17:08
Speaker 2
It did. Yeah, it did.
17:09
Speaker 1
Yeah.
17:09
Speaker 2
Well, you know, I was presented with an opportunity.
17:11
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
17:11
Speaker 2
And it was my choice of whether I would walk down it or not.
17:14
Speaker 1
Yes. Yeah.
17:15
Speaker 2
If I decided not to do that, then perhaps, you know, I guess, the, the healing aspect, maybe something else would have opened up rather than the mediumship aspect. But, you know, we don't know that. And for me, something opened up. I thought, "This is interesting. I'm gonna give it a go even though it's, you know, left of center." It's, it's not ordinary for, for who I had been.
17:35
Speaker 1
Sure.
17:35
Speaker 2
I thought, "You know, I'm open to experience. I always have been."
17:39
Speaker 1
Yeah.
17:39
Speaker 2
And, you know, I wanted to, I guess, just see where it would go.
17:43
Speaker 1
That's really brave of you. And we all thank you for doing that, because-
17:47
Speaker 2
(laughs)
17:47
Speaker 1
... you know, what you're doing, the work you're doing that we'll get into is, is absolutely necessary-
17:52
Speaker 2
Mm-hmm.
17:53
Speaker 1
... in this current time on Earth. So, what happened with the mediumship? What did you learn to develop, or the skills that you had, how did you ... You know, you said that with alcohol and, and, um, substances, it was more to stop feeling-
18:09
Speaker 2
Mm-hmm.
18:10
Speaker 1
... because you were so sensitive and you were tuning in. How did it help with that side of you?
18:16
Speaker 2
So, it's actually interesting because I remember when I first started the circle, I sat in circle and at the end, we all were given an o- option, the opportunity to ask a question.
18:27
Speaker 1
Yep.
18:27
Speaker 2
And when I first started, nobody would ask a question.
18:31
Speaker 1
Right.
18:31
Speaker 2
We would go around the circle, they'd, "No, no questions, no questions, no questions." And it just came to me and I was like, "We're in this, you know," I guess, for me, this whole world had opened up.
18:41
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
18:41
Speaker 2
And I'm like, "Why isn't anyone asking questions?" So I made a promise to myself that every week, I would ask a question regardless of how silly the question was.
18:51
Speaker 1
Yep.
18:51
Speaker 2
And it was actually that point that I really started to refine my curiosity, because I would go in some weeks and I would be like, "I, you know, I don't know. This question's silly, I already happen to know the answer." I felt foolish asking it, but, but I did anyway. And then other weeks, I'm going, "This question's awesome. I really like this."
19:07
Speaker 1
(laughs)
19:07
Speaker 2
And so that... You know, that curiosity was there, but what it really taught me over all of it, regardless of all, you know, the psychic abilities, the, you know, protection, all of that, you know, it really taught me to, to trust myself. And that's what this journey is, has been all about. It's like trust the signals that I'm getting from, you know, the external environment, to trust what's coming through, to trust, you know, what's in my heart, to trust the questions, to have the confidence to follow that as well.
19:37
Speaker 2
And that ultimately has, you know, r- really been it, because, you know, my confidence wasn't great, but, you know, actually putting myself out there and, and doing this and standing up in circle in front of everyone and then going out and doing readings and, you know, really putting myself out there in that aspect-
19:55
Speaker 1
Yep.
19:55
Speaker 2
... it was building my confidence and it was building my trust. And so, you know, I, I thought, you know, I'm just gonna be a, a medium, medium my whole life. I'm just gonna be doing readings, you know?
20:05
Speaker 1
Okay.
20:06
Speaker 2
That's what I kind of had foolishly thought, but that all got tipped on its head, didn't it? (laughs)
20:11
Speaker 1
Oh, yeah, a- absolutely, and I think there's a lot of people out there that will understand your story and relate to your story, because, you know, if you're born or if you cultivate, um, you know, sort of emotional, um, energy, feelings, instincts, intuition, whatever, um, usually we're born into an environment and a family that don't acknowledge or accept any of that at all. For whatever reason it is, we end up being the single person in the clan that is seeing and operating differently than everybody in the clan, and something has to happen in our life, doesn't it, to catapult us out of the clan and start connecting with other people who are having similar journeys, because as you said, you learned to trust yourself. Were you ever gonna learn to trust yourself with your family?
21:05
Speaker 2
I don't think so.
21:06
Speaker 1
Yeah.
21:06
Speaker 2
Because when you're caught in survival, it's, it's hard to. And it's not necessarily them. It was also me and, you know, the identities that I'd formed within me, because-
21:16
Speaker 1
Yes.
21:17
Speaker 2
... you know, I found as a child that it was safe to be unseen.
21:20
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
21:20
Speaker 2
That it was safe to stay quiet.
21:22
Speaker 1
Yes.
21:22
Speaker 2
That it was safe to, you know, remove yourself. So how could I have put myself out there within my family which, you know, bring up our most vulnerabilities-
21:31
Speaker 1
Yes.
21:32
Speaker 2
... when I held these within me?
21:34
Speaker 1
Yeah.
21:34
Speaker 2
You know, I had to cultivate them externally, and then bring them back into my family to help, you know, repair those relationships.
21:42
Speaker 1
Sure.
21:43
Speaker 2
Mm-hmm.
21:43
Speaker 1
That's wonderful. Wow. What a-
21:45
Speaker 2
(laughs)
21:46
Speaker 1
... beautiful, beautiful statement, that you had to go outside of it to cultivate, yep, and then bring back into your family as well.
21:54
Speaker 2
Mm-hmm.
21:55
Speaker 1
That is just beautiful.
21:56
Speaker 2
Yeah.
21:56
Speaker 1
So okay, mediumship, readings, trusting yourself, all of that started to happen. Then what?
22:04
Speaker 2
So, really the catalyst in, in all of this was, it happened in November 2024, and, you know, I was kind of deep within it. I was doing my, my business, doing readings. I was going to expos. I was sitting within a physical mediumship circle. And, you know, all, all the while being a mother of two and, you know, doing-
22:27
Speaker 1
Two by this stage? Okay. Okay.
22:28
Speaker 2
Yeah, two by this stage. Yes. (laughs) And doing all of that, like it was just, it was a huge amount on my plate. And anyway, what happened in November 2024 was I came down with Ross River virus.
22:41
Speaker 1
Okay.
22:42
Speaker 2
Yeah. And so that lasted practically all of last year. It lasted about 11 months.
22:48
Speaker 1
Wow.
22:48
Speaker 2
And it was absolutely the most challenging point in my life and my journey.
22:54
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
22:55
Speaker 2
And so Ross River virus, for those who don't know what it is, it, it sits within the nervous system. For anyone who's had tendonitis or, you know, tennis elbow, it's like that, but 10 times worse. And, you know, the joint pain-
23:08
Speaker 1
Like crackling.
23:08
Speaker 2
Yeah, the joint pains, you know, they would... It started within my hands and then up my arms and then sit within my shoulders. And it was excruciating. And, you know, some days I couldn't walk. Some days, you know, I couldn't move my hands.
23:21
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
23:22
Speaker 2
And I'd still, you know, had to care for my children.
23:24
Speaker 1
Yes.
23:25
Speaker 2
And so, you know, on top of that, a really heavy fatigue fell as well.
23:30
Speaker 1
Right.
23:31
Speaker 2
And so the actual virus itself only lasts for about three weeks, but then it's the nervous, it sits within the nervous system after that.
23:38
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
23:38
Speaker 2
And that's why the recovery can be so long from it.
23:42
Speaker 1
Okay.
23:42
Speaker 2
Because the nervous system holds that.
23:44
Speaker 1
Okay.
23:45
Speaker 2
And so, you know, it was, it was such a challenging journey for me physically-
23:51
Speaker 1
Yep.
23:51
Speaker 2
... and emotionally. And at the point that it happened, you know, I guess whether that was from my own awareness or whether, you know, just energetically I couldn't hold it, but everything that, you know, wasn't absolutely necessary begin, began to fall away. And so, you know, that was reading work, that was the, the mediumship circle and, you know, friendships and, you know, other, I guess, um, aspects in my life that I realized-
24:17
Speaker 1
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
24:18
Speaker 2
... I'd been holding up.
24:19
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
24:19
Speaker 2
And so, you know, it was really the start of my energetic sovereignty, because all I could do was focus on myself and, and my children. And, and-
24:27
Speaker 1
So it was a catalyst...... for you completely doing a reset.
24:32
Speaker 2
Absolutely. And it-
24:33
Speaker 1
And what was leaving you were things that you couldn't hold onto anymore-
24:38
Speaker 2
Yeah.
24:38
Speaker 1
... or not to hold onto anymore. It's an interesting viewpoint, because a lot of people don't look at things that way, do they? They think that everything's going wrong, they're losing everything, but that gorgeous curiosity of yours was seeing it in a more positive way?
24:52
Speaker 2
Oh, (laughs) I wouldn't say that I was positive the entire time.
24:55
Speaker 1
(laughs)
24:56
Speaker 2
But I just had no other choice. And, you know, for, for many times it wasn't like, "Oh, this is a, an amazing experience." It was, "Oh my god, this is like, you know, this is so painful, this is so exhausting," and you know, I was pulling away from relationships that I'd been putting way too much energy and power into.
25:13
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
25:13
Speaker 2
And that was, you know, heartbreaking as well, because, you know, the imbalances in my entire life were, were revealed, and I had no idea, no idea that, that, you know, that that imbalance was there. You know, I thought that I had a balanced life.
25:28
Speaker 1
Because, what I'm hearing is you weren't seeing it that way at the time while you were in it-
25:32
Speaker 2
Mm-hmm.
25:32
Speaker 1
... but hindsight's a beautiful thing, isn't it? You can-
25:35
Speaker 2
No, I knew that that was happening during it. I knew that the power, I guess, you know, the power imbalances in my relationship were revealing themselves.
25:42
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
25:43
Speaker 2
Because it's like, when I collapsed, who was there to support me?
25:46
Speaker 1
Right.
25:46
Speaker 2
And, you know, there wasn't very many people at all.
25:49
Speaker 1
Yeah.
25:49
Speaker 2
And so that was a big, that was a big shock.
25:51
Speaker 1
It, it hits them all back, doesn't it? It really does. (laughs)
25:53
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah. Totally. And like, you know, feeling it all as well, it's like, you know, when you're putting so much energy into, um, into something, whether, you know, it's a relationship, a friendship, you know, your thoughts go to it, and it's constantly like that. But I didn't even have the energy to do that.
26:08
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
26:08
Speaker 2
So, to realize that my thoughts were going there and having to consciously pull them back so that, you know, I could, I could hold it all within me just to get through the day, you know, that was really, that was really revealing.
26:19
Speaker 1
Yeah, 'cause you needed every single drop of that energy, is what I'm hearing you say.
26:23
Speaker 2
Yeah.
26:24
Speaker 1
Yeah?
26:24
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah.
26:25
Speaker 1
Okay. So you were even capturing the thought energy, 'cause that couldn't go astray either.
26:30
Speaker 2
Yeah.
26:30
Speaker 1
Wow, you were really having a hard time.
26:33
Speaker 2
Yeah. (laughs)
26:35
Speaker 1
Yeah.
26:35
Speaker 2
But it's interesting, because as I began to do that, something strange began to happen too.
26:40
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
26:40
Speaker 2
This framework started to reveal itself. And, you know, I guess I'd gotten to a point where, you know, I'd studied particular people and, and their work, and then, you know, I had studied what my mentor was doing. But then it had gotten to a point where I'd been asking questions and, you know, there wasn't answers for them.
26:59
Speaker 1
Right.
26:59
Speaker 2
You know, nobody could answer them. Or I seen holes in-
27:01
Speaker 1
You were out- you were outgrowing them, were you? Hmm?
27:03
Speaker 2
Yeah.
27:03
Speaker 1
Yeah.
27:03
Speaker 2
But I was seeing holes in, you know, um, I guess other people's framework and work as well.
27:08
Speaker 1
Hmm.
27:08
Speaker 2
But, you know, I guess that's their boundary. And so, once I started to gain my energetic sovereignty, I guessed the power, I guessed the power that, that I was able to utilize internally, it, it started to reveal to me, you know, this framework and how it could explain things in another way. And, you know, the question that I always-
27:30
Speaker 1
Oh my gosh, I get it. I get it. So as soon as you stopped looking outside of yourself-
27:36
Speaker 2
(laughs)
27:36
Speaker 1
... at everybody else and trying to help th- you're thinking they had to help you find the pieces, you started looking within yourself, and you started finding the answers.
27:46
Speaker 2
Exactly. But, you know, we all need to go through that phase of learning, don't we?
27:50
Speaker 1
Oh.
27:50
Speaker 2
It's like, you know, we have to be the student, because if we're not the student, then, you know, we've got, we've got nothing to grow upon. And so-
27:56
Speaker 1
Well, we're also, we're taught to look outside of ourselves.
27:59
Speaker 2
Oh, absolutely.
28:01
Speaker 1
Yes.
28:01
Speaker 2
Yeah, absolutely. And so, you know-
28:03
Speaker 1
Yeah.
28:03
Speaker 2
... I'd been a student, but I definitely had gotten to the point where I was ready to outgrow that.
28:07
Speaker 1
Sure.
28:07
Speaker 2
And then, you know, this illness came, and this framework started to reveal itself.
28:11
Speaker 1
Yep.
28:11
Speaker 2
So I was having these really profound insights, and the energy associated with that was huge. And so I was having this huge expansion, but because I was not stabilized, I wasn't holding any stabilizing states, I was still within constriction, you know, I was burning myself out even more on top of that.
28:29
Speaker 1
Yeah.
28:30
Speaker 2
So, you know, I was, I was pulling this all together, having these profound insights, still having to be a mother, still having to do the house, the cooking, the chores, you know, and all the emotional aspects of children, and not sleeping as well.
28:42
Speaker 1
Yes.
28:42
Speaker 2
Um, (laughs) you know, it's no wonder that I, you know, completely burnt out. Yeah.
28:46
Speaker 1
There's a, there's a, there's a beautiful, there's a beautiful phrase for that, "Too heavenly bound to be of any earthly good."
28:52
Speaker 2
Mm-hmm.
28:53
Speaker 1
Where all... And p- we go through that. It seems to be like a, a, a spiritual kind of initiation, where we get so much information coming in and we're not grounding it.
29:03
Speaker 2
Yeah.
29:03
Speaker 1
And I would call people, um, respectfully space cadets when they-
29:07
Speaker 2
(laughs)
29:07
Speaker 1
... went through those stages, because they had so much information and insight, and when they'd share it with everybody, you could either think that they were just wacky and crazy because it wasn't all connecting and making sense, or you could see them for what was going on, which was so many downloads and they weren't getting a foundation to it. So you-
29:27
Speaker 2
Also.
29:27
Speaker 1
... were experiencing all of that while looking after two kids and a husband. Wow.
29:32
Speaker 2
And, and having Ross River virus as well.
29:35
Speaker 1
Wow. Wow.
29:37
Speaker 2
So it's, it, it's funny, because I look back at that time and I'm like, you know, it was, it was heaven and hell on Earth in one-
29:44
Speaker 1
Yes.
29:44
Speaker 2
... because these profound insights were explaining so many questions that I had had.
29:48
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
29:48
Speaker 2
But, you know, at the same time, you know, physically, you know, the work that I was having to do and the way, you know, just I was feeling internally, physically, you know, I... It's hard to explain exactly what it's like, but you know, it was like physical hell. So it's like you've got those two elements-
30:06
Speaker 1
And how did-
30:07
Speaker 2
... at the one point in time.
30:08
Speaker 1
How did you put one foot in front of the other? You just kept doing it. And I mean, that's where I suppose it's the blessing of having the children. It's the factor, because I, I, I can relate myself with my own story. Um, I did so because of my kids, nothing else.
30:25
Speaker 2
Yeah.
30:26
Speaker 1
Ye-
30:26
Speaker 2
And it's, it's interesting too, because I think that, you know, this framework really pulled me through that period of my life.... because, you know, we, we have children, and we expect it to be all, but, you know, there is that mundane aspect to it.
30:39
Speaker 1
Yeah.
30:39
Speaker 2
And so when you're trying to get through a day, and you're trying to do all the chores and be the mother and, you know, settle all the tantrums, you know, for me, I had to have that framework in my mind to keep my mind busy, to pull me forward through that.
30:53
Speaker 1
Sure. S-
30:54
Speaker 2
'Cause I don't know what would have happened otherwise, if I-
30:56
Speaker 1
Yeah.
30:56
Speaker 2
... just would have absolutely crumbled.
30:58
Speaker 1
So, you had to have something to hang onto, some-
31:00
Speaker 2
Exactly. Y- yeah.
31:02
Speaker 1
And... Okay. So, wow. This framework must be important, so tell us about-
31:06
Speaker 2
Yeah.
31:07
Speaker 1
... this framework. What is this? (laughs)
31:09
Speaker 2
So, this framework... Well, before I start the framework, can I tell you the end of the Ross River story?
31:15
Speaker 1
Oh, of course. Of course.
31:16
Speaker 2
So, the synchronicity in this is amazing. So, I developed this framework, got it to the point where I was, I w- I was confident to do a healing. And the very first person that I did a healing on, a photonic healing on, I was chatting with her before, and I told her about the Ross River journey I'd been on, and she said, "Oh, well, we have a family cure in the family, an old family cure, and you're not (laughs) gonna believe what it is, but it was to go out and get bitten by a bull ant."
31:43
Speaker 1
Wow.
31:45
Speaker 2
(laughs)
31:45
Speaker 1
Okay.
31:46
Speaker 2
I was like, "Oh, okay then." And then, so, I did, I did the healing, and, um, like, yeah, the effects were really cool. But it was about two months later that, you know, I guess I had to psych myself up to go, "I'm gonna go get bitten by a bull ant." So I went out and found one two months later, and, you know, I was there poking it with a stick, and got it all angry, and then I put it on my arm, and I was watching it bite me. And, you know, bull ant bites are known to be, you know, really strong and painful. Anyway, I was watching it, and I was like, "I can't feel anything.
32:18
Speaker 2
It's not hurting at all." (laughs) And so I'm like, "Is it actually biting me?"
32:21
Speaker 1
Yep.
32:22
Speaker 2
But then I started to feel the tingles. I'm like, "Okay, it is," and I got the lump and everything. And about three days later, my fatigue lifted, and about three weeks later, the, the pain went away.
32:32
Speaker 1
Wow.
32:33
Speaker 2
Yeah. And so because Ross River sits within the nervous system, a bull ant bite flares the nervous system up again.
32:41
Speaker 1
Ah.
32:42
Speaker 2
Yeah.
32:42
Speaker 1
And is there science to support that in terms of the bull ants?
32:47
Speaker 2
Um, it's not.
32:48
Speaker 1
If-
32:48
Speaker 2
It's not well-documented.
32:50
Speaker 1
Right.
32:50
Speaker 2
Yeah. That's why I was so hesitant on actually going out to get bitten, because, you know, I'd asked Chinese doctors, I'd, I'd looked into research, and it's like, you know, there's no evidence to back this up. So I'm like, "Well, why would I go out and just get bitten by a bull ant-
33:02
Speaker 1
Yeah.
33:02
Speaker 2
... when there's no evidence?" But I kind of got to the point where I was that desperate, and I had this, you know, I guess option, so I'm like, "Well, I'm gonna take it." At the end of the day, I'm either gonna have a bull ant bite and nothing's gonna happen, or something could actually change.
33:15
Speaker 1
Yeah, and the only reason I'm asking that question is I'm not science-based. I'm evidence-based, as far-
33:20
Speaker 2
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
33:20
Speaker 1
... as I'm concerned. That's how the world works. But I just wanted, for those that are science-based that are listening, I wanted to know if they could go and have a look at something. But, you know, you are the evidence that, you know... Somebody says to you, "Go and get bitten by a bull ant," something in the... I don't think it's called venom, or whatever it is that the bull ant has, goes and sorts out the nervous system somehow.
33:41
Speaker 1
So-
33:42
Speaker 2
Yeah.
33:42
Speaker 1
... it's a chemical reaction of some sort going on, and wow, within days, you're a different woman.
33:49
Speaker 2
Yeah, and the fact that it was the first person I did a photonic healing on, and the entire framework unfolded-
33:55
Speaker 1
Wow.
33:55
Speaker 2
... during the, the illness, (laughs) which is just... Yeah, there's something in that, for sure.
34:00
Speaker 1
Yes.
34:01
Speaker 2
Mm-hmm.
34:01
Speaker 1
Yes. Okay, so, all right. Where do we go from here? Um, you said... There was something that I read in your paper that you sent to me. Dissolving emotional and energy constrictions. Now, most... A lot of people out there are all trying to do work on themselves. They're trying-
34:21
Speaker 2
Yeah.
34:21
Speaker 1
... some sort of therapy. They're trying to... You know, whether it's past lives, whether it's trauma-based, whether it's, you know, inner child. There's a million, million different therapies, um, all over the place these days. So, w- how... I'm just interested myself in dissolving emotional energy?
34:41
Speaker 2
So, basically, with dissolving emotional energy, so this framework, for me, you know, I've had to work backwards on it, because I'm not science-based either. Like, I didn't study science, but I appreciate it, and I think there's an absolute place for it.
34:55
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm. Sure.
34:55
Speaker 2
So I've tried my hardest to, you know, make the framework scientific, because I think that that's really important.
35:01
Speaker 1
Yep.
35:01
Speaker 2
And so, you know, when we talk about, uh, dissolving emotional, um, residue, I did call it density, but now I'm calling it... So, it- it's emotional suppression.
35:12
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
35:13
Speaker 2
So, with emotional suppression, you know, that's widely known. So, when we suppress an emotion, so, an emotion and state are two different things. An emotion, it's just a signal from our field. It's a signal from, from our field to our nervous system, from the external environment, and it's a communication. So, emotions are meant to be listened, felt, and released. That's the natural progression of it.
35:35
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
35:35
Speaker 2
And when they're not, when we suppress them, that charge, that electrical charge, is suppressed into a part of our body. And so what it does at that point is it weakens that, that part of the body-
35:47
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
35:47
Speaker 2
... uh, momentarily, so it creates a vulnerability within a, within an aspect of our body.
35:52
Speaker 1
Yes.
35:52
Speaker 2
And so imagine if, from childhood, you were suppressing an emotion, especially a, a very charged emotion like anger-
35:59
Speaker 1
Yeah.
35:59
Speaker 2
... repeatedly, you know, into a part of our body.
36:02
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
36:02
Speaker 2
You know, that's what I guess, you know, I had in the past called density, but now I'm calling, you know, a, a vulnerability to us, because it creates this permanent vulnerability within us. And, you know, it-
36:13
Speaker 1
Well, you can, you can label it in a lot of ways, but the bottom line-
36:16
Speaker 2
Mm-hmm.
36:16
Speaker 1
... is, it's an emotional charge sitting in your field.
36:19
Speaker 2
Yes, exactly.
36:20
Speaker 1
Yeah.
36:20
Speaker 2
Yeah. Yeah, and if it's constant, so when it is constant, it is constantly sitting within our field.
36:25
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
36:25
Speaker 2
So it creates that, and whether it's a density or just a vulnerability, it needs to be addressed.
36:30
Speaker 1
Yes.
36:31
Speaker 2
And so, you know, it's, it's...It's really learning when, when we look about our emotions to, to not be afraid of them, and to actually see them for what they really are. They're a communication, you know? They're actually the most, um, they're actually the most correct communication and the most trusting communication that, that you'll actually have. You know, nobody on the external world will be as truthful as your own emotions.
36:57
Speaker 1
Sure.
36:58
Speaker 2
And that's the amazing thing. But, you know, they're just a communication. You know, it's yourself communicating with yourself. Of course you're going to have your best interest at heart.
37:06
Speaker 1
Where unfortunately in this world, we've s- sort of said, "Oh my gosh, the four-year-old had a problem and there's a story that goes with it," and all that-
37:13
Speaker 2
Yeah.
37:13
Speaker 1
... stuff. You're saying, "No, no, no, don't identify to that degree," just, you know, uh, I suppose you're being a bit, um, a bit of an observer or a bit more impersonal and not being attached to it?
37:26
Speaker 2
Yeah. So when we talk about, I guess, you know, tantrums and children having tantrums-
37:30
Speaker 1
Yeah.
37:30
Speaker 2
... if they're having a tantrum over something material, it's never about the thing.
37:36
Speaker 1
Right.
37:36
Speaker 2
There's always an emotional underlay that, that's below that, okay? And whether that's associated with, you know, uh, attachment bonds, um, you know, how safe they're, they're feeling, and then the emotion becomes overwhelmed. But there's also the aspect that children are tiny and they're getting these huge emotions within them for the first time, and they're learning to express them.
37:56
Speaker 1
Like volcanoes. (laughs)
37:58
Speaker 2
Absolutely. You know,-
37:59
Speaker 1
(laughs)
37:59
Speaker 2
... so, you know, when they're expressing anger, you know, that's about, you know, boundaries.
38:03
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
38:04
Speaker 2
And it's not always about, you know, just giving the child what they want. It's, it's about accepting that that emotion's coming up and not, not shaming it. Because when we-
38:13
Speaker 1
And the same for adults. And the same for adults. But for adults-
38:15
Speaker 2
Absolutely.
38:15
Speaker 1
... we've learnt our, our immediate response is to push it back down or push it-
38:19
Speaker 2
Yeah.
38:19
Speaker 1
... away again.
38:20
Speaker 2
Yeah.
38:20
Speaker 1
So-
38:20
Speaker 2
Or, you know, create a mask. So we could be feeling an intense emotion inside of us but completely calm on the external. You know, that's not emotional regulation. That's masking. You know, when we, when we learn to ha- you know, become fluent with our emotions, we feel it, and you know, the more coherent we, we are, incoherences, you know, system-wide rhythm and regulation where all our parts are working together, it doesn't come on as, you know, a super intense emotion. It comes on as a wave.
38:49
Speaker 2
And so whether that's, you know, an action needs to be associated with that, whether that's, you know, with sadness, we need to, you know, just release it and have a little cry-
38:57
Speaker 1
Yeah.
38:57
Speaker 2
... or with anger, it's, you know, we have to set a boundary, or with frustration, it's, "Okay, well what need am I neglecting here?" Like every single emotion has a different communication, and it's not gonna go away until we address that.
39:10
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
39:10
Speaker 2
It's gonna, you know-
39:11
Speaker 1
It's gonna keep cycling, cycling, cycling, yeah.
39:13
Speaker 2
Yeah. And, you know, it's, it's not just the, you know, I don't like to say emotions are positive and negative because they're not, you know. They all have their place, and, you know, we have the desirable emotions like, you know, joy and, and, and passion and curiosity, and then we have the less desirable which are frustration and anger.
39:31
Speaker 1
Sure.
39:31
Speaker 2
And, you know, it's often the less desirable ones that, that we do push down because, you know, they're, they're often the more confronting ones.
39:39
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
39:40
Speaker 2
But if we, if we push down, you know, if we get to the point where th- we're suppressing emotions so much, we don't just suppress the undesirable emotions.-
39:47
Speaker 1
Or we're taught to.
39:48
Speaker 2
... We suppress all emotions.
39:49
Speaker 1
Yeah, we're taught to because it's un- it's unacceptable behavior and all that sort of stuff, so we're taught-
39:54
Speaker 2
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah.
39:55
Speaker 1
... that of different kinds, yeah, yeah. So, okay, this is part of the framework that you started putting together, and I love the language for it as well.
40:03
Speaker 2
Mm-hmm.
40:04
Speaker 1
You know? It's not getting into the old language. I really see that the new, the new healing on this planet has a new language and it's also quicker, it's faster, it's simpler than what we've had before, and that's exactly what you're talking about. I love this. Okay, so you also talk about stabilizing the nervous system.
40:25
Speaker 2
Yes, yeah. So, you know, I guess within my framework, I have, you know, two pathways to growth that, that, um, I've identified. And so that's the one, the emotional side, which we just talked about.
40:38
Speaker 1
Yeah.
40:38
Speaker 2
Learning your emotions, understanding them, learning not to suppress them, um, and then there's the other aspect which is stabilizing our nervous system, but it's like you can't just stabilize your nervous system. You need to stabilize your entire body. And so, you know, that works with coherence but it also works with stabilizing states. So, states are different from emotions, right?
41:00
Speaker 1
Explain that one for me 'cause you've said that a couple of times now.
41:02
Speaker 2
Yeah, mm-hmm. Yeah, so states are different from emotions because we can't force an emotion. They're a communication. They come about. You know, we can evoke an emotion-
41:12
Speaker 1
They're the result. They're the result of something.
41:14
Speaker 2
Exactly. And so, you know, we can e- evoke an emotion by thinking about something but we can't just say, "I'm going to feel anger." It's like an example is, is like, you know, you can't force yourself to love somebody if you, if, if it's not there, if that emotion's not there.
41:29
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
41:30
Speaker 2
Um, and so, you know, states are different because states we can control, and so states we can anchor, whether consciously or unconsciously. They're that aspect within us that we can use to, to stabilize, expand, or contract ourselves. And-
41:45
Speaker 1
So give me an example. What is a state?
41:48
Speaker 2
S- sure. So three pillars of states I've iden- identified, and so the first is constricting states which actively draw our energy inwards, and so that's fear, worry, guilt, exhaustion.
41:58
Speaker 1
And we can feel that, can't we? We can feel that as soon as we pull back.
42:03
Speaker 2
Yeah, absolutely. But, you know, we can get to a point where we have a baseline state and we don't always feel it but it's always running in our system.
42:11
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
42:11
Speaker 2
And so for most people, you know, they have the learnt constricting states as their baseline.
42:17
Speaker 1
Right.
42:18
Speaker 2
And so if you think about the implications of that, because it's not our emotions that attract what we want and magnetize what we want. It's our states, because that's the baseline, um, energy that we run through us. And so-
42:31
Speaker 1
So if you've got a baseline state of constriction, you're going to attract more...... undesirable things to you?
42:38
Speaker 2
Well, you're going to attract more that's going to confirm that.
42:41
Speaker 1
Right. Gotcha.
42:41
Speaker 2
Because that's the resonance. So, if your resonance within you is of guilt, of fear, of worry-
42:47
Speaker 1
Yep.
42:47
Speaker 2
... then you're going to attract the resonance of that, and whether that's you just picking that up consciously and it confirming that within you-
42:55
Speaker 1
Yep.
42:55
Speaker 2
... you know, it strengthens that. But when you consciously move from constriction to stabilization-
43:01
Speaker 1
Yep.
43:01
Speaker 2
... that's, that's where the difference really begins. Because the stabilizing, the stabilizing states are safety, trust, presence, devotion, gratitude. You know, they're-
43:11
Speaker 1
Yeah.
43:11
Speaker 2
... they're neutral within the posture that we hold them, and they're absolutely necessary next step from constriction. Because if we look at the next pillar of state, that's expansion. And expansive states, they actively draw our, our energy outwards. They, they broadcast further, and so, they also bring about growth.
43:32
Speaker 1
Yes.
43:32
Speaker 2
And, you know, growth is (laughs) , for those of you who know it, it's not comfortable, because, you know, with growth brings, uh, a- awareness of emotions that we've suppressed, of, you know, identities that we've held that need to, to fall away. And so, it can be really uncomfortable, because as we process all of this, it- it- it happens within our nervous system, but our physical body feels the strain. And so, you know, expansive states are love, peace, joy, power.
44:03
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
44:03
Speaker 2
And, you know, they're the- they're the really ... They're the states that everybody wants, but if you're- if you're jumping from a constricting state into an expansive state, what's gonna happen? You're gonna collapse because you don't have that stabilization within you. You don't have that stabilization to fall back upon.
44:20
Speaker 1
That's a beautiful point. That's a beautiful point, 'cause people don't understand the central nervous system.
44:25
Speaker 2
Mm-hmm.
44:26
Speaker 1
They don't understand the power of it and the capabilities of it. And yes, you can't go from living on your nerves to, to not overnight. And having said that, though, for everybody listening, not all of you have to go through Ross River fever to get there either.
44:42
Speaker 2
Absolutely not.
44:43
Speaker 1
But honestly, what I can see is you needed to go through the depths and the horror of that journey to come out with gold.
44:52
Speaker 2
(laughs)
44:52
Speaker 1
You've got gold to share with everybody.
44:55
Speaker 2
Yeah.
44:56
Speaker 1
You had to put yourself, you know, sacrifice yourself to some degree, even though unwillingly at the time, to come out with such experiential insight and knowledge. Thank you. Thank you for coming on the show.
45:12
Speaker 2
That's okay. And, you know, it wasn't just the Ross River either, because it's- it's been a- a journey of me creating meaning-
45:20
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
45:20
Speaker 2
... and then having to strip that away so that I can actually come out with something that's meaningful.
45:26
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
45:26
Speaker 2
Because, you know, we put meaning onto things, and that's what happened, I guess, in the world of growth and spirituality. When we simply talk about energy or vibration, you know, we project meaning onto it, but then that takes away from the mechanism underneath, and really, all we're saying is that-
45:39
Speaker 1
I also see that as attachment. That's attachment, and we cannot just-
45:43
Speaker 2
Well, we attach through meaning, don't we?
45:45
Speaker 1
Yes, yes.
45:46
Speaker 2
Yeah.
45:46
Speaker 1
And if we do that, then there's no room for growth. There's no room for movement, yeah.
45:51
Speaker 2
Absolutely. So, for me, it's been quite confronting as well, not just the Ross River journey, but to have collapses of, you know, meaning and identity that I once felt safe embodying.
46:03
Speaker 1
Yes.
46:03
Speaker 2
And having to go through that, you know, that collapse and that, you know, facing the real truth of, oh, okay, that wasn't actually real-
46:12
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
46:13
Speaker 2
... and moving beyond that and saying, "Well, okay, how can it actually work if we look deeper into this?"
46:18
Speaker 1
And tell me, like, every time you do make that, that shift, that change for yourself, there, it's- it's a reward, isn't it? It's-
46:26
Speaker 2
(laughs)
46:26
Speaker 1
You don't, you don't ... You wouldn't say to somebody, "Oh, look, don't do this, because Jeepers, you know, um, you know, then this happened," but it's- it's a reward?
46:36
Speaker 2
I guess so, yeah. But I like to see it as, I guess, I've gone through this and I've gone through this process so that not everybody has to.
46:46
Speaker 1
Yeah.
46:46
Speaker 2
Because once we have this framework and we understand it, because this isn't just a modality, it's an entire framework and an architecture that so many other modalities sit within, and it explains them and joins them all together. It's the underlying, you know, architecture and mechanics of it, of growth, that can be taken in so many different directions, which- which is really beautiful.
47:08
Speaker 1
It's consciousness.
47:10
Speaker 2
Yeah, yep. (laughs)
47:11
Speaker 1
It's absolutely consciousness. And I want to just encourage people out there that when you start doing something, like if they come and have a healing with you or they start to look at their emotion and their states and they start to do some work with themselves, um, when I said rewarded, what I mean is that life is always better.
47:32
Speaker 2
Hmm.
47:32
Speaker 1
It gets better and better and better, but if we try to hold onto the old paradigms and the old states and structures of this world, um, you're gonna suffer.
47:44
Speaker 2
Mm-hmm.
47:44
Speaker 1
That- that's hell, isn't it? That's hell.
47:46
Speaker 2
Exactly.
47:47
Speaker 1
We're gonna suffer. So, oh, I think what you're doing is absolutely phenomenal, love. I think it's beautiful because it's new consciousness. It's new energy. It's new language.
47:58
Speaker 2
Mm-hmm. Exactly. And, you know, the- the thing I ... I hesitated with reward before, because for me, it's been all about the work now.
48:07
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
48:07
Speaker 2
The reward for me is seeing the change in others.
48:10
Speaker 1
Yeah.
48:10
Speaker 2
And, you know, the- the whole premise of this and the modality of this is that coherence entrains.
48:16
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
48:16
Speaker 2
And so, within the healing, it's- it's me sitting within, you know, a- a high amplitude, coherent state and watching the other person entrain to that and then seeing, you know, what- what happens after that. And so, for me, the reward isn't so much in the work. It's seeing the impact of the work. And, you know, it's still, it's still a- a baby. It's still, you know, getting out there. And so, you know, I believe that the reward, the real reward's still to come.
48:41
Speaker 1
I think that's wonderful, and what I love more than anything is, you know, when we are consciousness and connecting with the fundamentals of that consciousness, which some people call love, there's all sorts of different names for it, um, you just naturally are inclined to go, "Oh my gosh, I have to help others. I have to help others." And, you know, we need to thank you firstly for going through the experience, right, and through going through the dark night of the soul and whatever other labels it's been called, because you needed the experiential evidence of that to then put a framework together and go, "All right, everyone else needs to do this now." (laughs)
49:27
Speaker 2
Yeah, exactly. (laughs) 'Cause I'm the kind of person who can't sit there and confidently talk about something unless I've embodied it.
49:34
Speaker 1
Yes. Yes. Thank you. And I think that's the new language as well. There's a transparency that's coming out now, um, and, you know, nothing can be hidden, so to speak, anymore, like it has in so many different aspects of the world. Um, we- we, you know, if we're gonna move into even telepathy and talents like that, um, there can't be any more worrying about what you're thinking and saying and doing about others.
49:59
Speaker 2
Mm-hmm.
49:59
Speaker 1
Yeah? We-
50:00
Speaker 2
Absolutely not.
50:01
Speaker 1
Yeah. Huh.
50:01
Speaker 2
But when we look at states, you know, we all perceive states. We all perceive the states of others. You know, that in itself is truthful. You can't lie with your states, because you could say, "I'm embodying the state of safety," but if you, if you feel that mit- mismatch-
50:16
Speaker 1
Yeah.
50:16
Speaker 2
... like you know it-
50:17
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
50:17
Speaker 2
... it's like, "Well, no you're not, actually." And so, you know, even words, so, you know, I guess, you know, if somebody's lying or if, you know, a slogan is lying or, you- you kind of see and feel those lies more because you feel that it's incoherent.
50:32
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
50:33
Speaker 2
So it's like, with this work and, you know, with being a practitioner, it's like, well, you know, you have to embody that coherence. Otherwise you can't do it.
50:42
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
50:42
Speaker 2
You know, you can't entrain somebody else's coherence if you're not coherent yourself.
50:47
Speaker 1
You know, and it's something I said to y- to somebody yesterday, um, uh, you know, I'm, the re- reason I'm doing this radio show is to give people a voice so they can be heard. And that's my story.
50:58
Speaker 2
Mm-hmm.
50:58
Speaker 1
That's my story. So I went through the fire, just like you have, to get to a point where, you know, if I didn't own my voice and if I didn't own my story, then my energetics cannot help anybody else to do that. And that's where I see the incoherence with therapies out there. I've seen it for a long, long time, but I think it's beginn- going to become more obvious. How can you go to somebody, um, you know, no matter what sort of title they have or degree they have, um, and want them to help you with trauma if they haven't been through the trauma?
51:34
Speaker 2
Yeah.
51:34
Speaker 1
They can't help you, can they?
51:36
Speaker 2
Absolutely not, because they can't understand where you're coming from.
51:39
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
51:40
Speaker 2
They can't know what you're feeling, they can't know what you're embodying-
51:44
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
51:45
Speaker 2
... and therefore, they just go back on what they've been taught.
51:48
Speaker 1
Yes.
51:48
Speaker 2
But, you know, we're beginning to learn that the things that we've been taught in history aren't always correct, and it's not that, you know, it's- it's, you know, being untruthful for the sake of being untruthful. It's being untruthful for the sake of being unaware.
52:02
Speaker 1
Yes. It was just the-
52:03
Speaker 2
And so-
52:03
Speaker 1
... reports.
52:04
Speaker 2
Yeah.
52:04
Speaker 1
We don't need to look back at that. We just move on from it, right?
52:07
Speaker 2
Yeah. Yeah.
52:08
Speaker 1
So coherence is vital, vital.
52:10
Speaker 2
Mm-hmm.
52:12
Speaker 1
This has to be a part of our language now, doesn't it?
52:14
Speaker 2
Absolutely. Absolutely. It's- it's fundamental to it as well.
52:18
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
52:18
Speaker 2
And, you know, if we don't have a system that's running in sync, and when I talk about a system, you know, it's- it's how we broadcast. It's our nervous system. It's our physical body and caring and nourishing for that.
52:30
Speaker 1
Yes.
52:30
Speaker 2
And also our emotions. You know, we can't anchor a state effectively, and so for somebody who's been through trauma, and, you know, there are people out there who've been through really horrific things, if you're running an incoherent system, you're more likely to have a constricting state. To process trauma through a constricted state is re-traumatizing.
52:50
Speaker 1
It does sound-
52:50
Speaker 2
But if you're processing trauma through- through a stabilizing state of safety and trust and presence, it completely changes it.
52:59
Speaker 1
Sure. Wow.
53:01
Speaker 2
But even for those who don't, you know, n- necessarily want to do trauma work, if you want to create more magnetism in your life and embody, you know, the things that you want, then, you know, that's about embodying, you know, freedom and joy and love to attract the things that you want. So, you know, for those that want to just change their lives-
53:19
Speaker 1
Yeah. Well, constriction-
53:20
Speaker 2
... you know, you can-
53:20
Speaker 1
Constriction doesn't equal trauma. Trauma's just-
53:23
Speaker 2
Yeah, exactly.
53:24
Speaker 1
... h- one degree of it. Constriction can be, just like I said before, I- I wanted a voice. I wanted to be heard when I was a child, so I ended up being an adult helping other people have a voice and be heard.
53:34
Speaker 2
Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.
53:36
Speaker 1
Right? So it can be as simple as that. But that can be s- destabilizing for you if you're carrying it around.
53:41
Speaker 2
Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. And you see the world today, it's like coherence in trains but incoherence in trains too. And so with a world that's full of constriction, of course that's gonna be, you know, it's gonna be easier to be constricting-
53:55
Speaker 1
S-
53:55
Speaker 2
... because that's the general consensus.
53:57
Speaker 1
Yes. Yes, and what-
53:58
Speaker 2
And it's more challenging to be stabilizing and expansive-
54:01
Speaker 1
Yes.
54:02
Speaker 2
... because that's pushing the norms. And so, you know, when I talk about, you know, even as a, as a global society, you know, at the moment we're- we're constriction, but everyone's like, you know, "World peace, world love." It's like, no. (laughs) You can't aim for, you know, um, expansion from constriction. We need to be aiming for, you know, global- global trust, global safety, before we can even think about peace or love.
54:26
Speaker 1
But we are creating new paradigms. It's this-
54:28
Speaker 2
Absolutely.
54:29
Speaker 1
That- that's obvious, right?
54:31
Speaker 2
Mm-hmm.
54:31
Speaker 1
And that's why, you know, people need to support, encourage people like you, because you're- you're, you know, at the forefront of a new paradigm, where, as you say, the majority of the world out there is still very constricted-
54:42
Speaker 2
Mm-hmm.
54:42
Speaker 1
... and still very in that energy. Um, and, you know, w- we're creating something new, aren't we?
54:48
Speaker 2
Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.
54:49
Speaker 1
So how can people-
54:50
Speaker 2
And it's exciting. (laughs)
54:51
Speaker 1
It is f- it's more than exciting, love. I'm lost for words, right?
54:55
Speaker 2
(laughs)
54:55
Speaker 1
It's lovely, lovely, lovely.
54:57
Speaker 2
Yeah.
54:57
Speaker 1
Um, how can people get in touch with you? What's your website?
55:01
Speaker 2
Sure. My website is www.willtoflow.com. Um, great for my work, but also named after my daughters, too, so-
55:09
Speaker 1
(laughs)
55:09
Speaker 2
... yeah.
55:09
Speaker 1
That's great. (laughs)
55:09
Speaker 2
It works in two aspects.
55:11
Speaker 1
That's wonderful.
55:11
Speaker 2
So that's my website, and then I've got my Instagram, too, @will2flow. So I'm active on that and then, yeah, I'm, I'm open with my website, and yeah-
55:19
Speaker 1
And people, I'll put the links here. They'll be here with this, um, with this, um, um, interview as well. And what about the book? How are you going with the book? Where are you at with that?
55:28
Speaker 2
So, (laughs) yeah. The book is, the book is good. It's getting along. It's, um, of course it's testing because every time I go to do a re-read of the manuscript, I'm like, "Oh, okay." (laughs)
55:39
Speaker 1
Okay. Yes.
55:39
Speaker 2
It's like, you know, a- an- an evolution upgrade. So, you know, I wanted to get it, the manuscript finished by the end of March, but, you know, I've only got about three hours a week to work on it. But that's my aim.
55:51
Speaker 1
Yeah.
55:51
Speaker 2
So I'm very, I'm very close. It's just, um, refining, you know, the fundamentals and making sure that it's- it's- it's really correct-
55:58
Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.
55:59
Speaker 2
... and that, you know, everything's been questioned, basically.
56:03
Speaker 1
Yes. Fabulous. Well, we're all behind you on that because this needs to get out to the world.
56:07
Speaker 2
Yeah.
56:07
Speaker 1
It's as simple as that, right?
56:09
Speaker 2
Yeah.
56:09
Speaker 1
So we're all behind you, but I understand. I've written my own book, and when you do that-
56:13
Speaker 2
Right.
56:13
Speaker 1
... the perfectionist comes out of nowhere. (laughs)
56:15
Speaker 2
(laughs) I know. It's crazy. Of course. (laughs)
56:18
Speaker 1
Until you get to a point where you just gotta hit the button on go, or-
56:22
Speaker 2
Yeah. That's it. (laughs)
56:24
Speaker 1
... we wish you all the best with doing that. And look, it's been a joy, love. I, like, you know, thank you for sharing, as I said, some of the darker times, and some of the... You know, I mean, you know, it's hard to expose yourself to the world, um, because the world is full of- a- a lot of constriction-
56:41
Speaker 2
Mm-hmm.
56:41
Speaker 1
... which is criticism and judgment and all sorts of things. But thank you so much for doing that because we need that energy out there. We need that as part of the shift that we're all living through at the moment. Your story is amazing. Your life is amazing. And I, you know, we're gonna have to interview again up the road a bit to see just what has shifted in the meantime as well. But for people that want to know about you, go to the website. You also offer private sessions, one-on-one sessions with people as well. So if they want to experience what this is about, go ahead, people, and do that. Thank you, Annabelle. Thank you so much for being on the show.
57:20
Speaker 2
My absolute pleasure, Helen. It's been, it's been wonderful to finally be able to sit down and- and- and talk about this.
57:26
Speaker 1
Yes. Yes. Absolutely. So, it- the word's out there now.
57:30
Speaker 2
(laughs)
57:32
Speaker 1
Off you go. (laughs) Thank you so much, love. Thank you.
57:34
Speaker 2
Thanks, Helen.
