[00:00] Speaker 1: Well, welcome everyone to Angel Talk. Our show today is live life within, leave the chaos outside. We are at a time when Holy Trinity has asked that everything we do, see, or experience, we live within. It becomes the easiest way to rid oneself of negativity, and when it comes from within, we begin to feel everything we do, no matter how we've experienced it in the past. We can cast away any negativity that we may not have seen before. So join us for another exciting Angel Talk radio show sponsored by the Living Light Center, a church of faith and healing. I like to start off with a little reading for everyone. "From the ancient of times to the present day, for all who accept the Lord into their life, He will be there for you. You must be willing to set aside any negative ways, and embrace with your faith that your love for God be what leads you in life. When you look into others' eyes, be humble and willing to help them if they should need it.

[01:17] Speaker 1: See the good in people, and encourage them to see that in themselves, and acknowledge one another whether you know them or not, and offer to go out of your way to do good deeds for others without any expectation of anything in return. With so many changes happening, one needs to pray regularly, asking for forgiveness and purification of your soul. And as you evolve to a higher consciousness, you are held more responsible for the negative actions you may indulge in. You must develop new and better ways to walk through the challenges in life. If you aren't already, begin to structure your life where you consciously spend time throughout the day praying and communicating with God, allowing Him to guide you each day as you make decisions throughout that day. For anyone who holds an ax upon anger, fear, jealousy and greed, these energies will be allowed to amplify greater within you, causing you much chaos in your life.

[02:35] Speaker 1: You must stay strong and have faith that your love will allow you to walk through the chaos, rather than be consumed by it. As the year 2026 progresses, it will be amplifying the issues of where does your focus hold more power, on the material things or the spiritual things? And as the light shines stronger, it will illuminate all the things that hold darkness. These dark things will place more pressure on you and drive you to want to keep you in this energy as part of your life. You must be wise enough to know what to do, and have enough courage and willpower to follow through, knowing that one needs to follow the light of God. Each day ask yourself, "What have I done to show the glory of God in my life today?" And remember, what lasts forever is your love. Stay strong and committed to God, and He will be there for you. Blessings to you." Well, we have had a lot of questions that have been proposed to us.

[03:58] Speaker 1: We had asked people if they wanted to email or contact us for questions that they'd like to have answered on the show. And since we're talking about going within and talking about the Biblical things, we have some very good questions that I'm going to propose to you, Reverend Jim, and, uh, and we'll see, we'll see how many of these, uh, we can get covered, okay?

[04:23] Speaker 2: Okay.

[04:24] Speaker 1: Okay. For those people in the present day that feel lost and abandoned, what would you recommend for them?

[04:35] Speaker 2: That feel lost and abandoned?

[04:36] Speaker 1: Yes.

[04:38] Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's very interesting because during the time of intimacy or conception, if God is part of that, if it is love between two individuals that creates a child, that child will have no issues of abandonment. But if, if that's not the case, if it's done strictly through carnal or it's channeled through the carnal and a child is produced, that child will automatically, from the time it is conceived, it will have abandonment issues and it will follow it through life. And, you know, if one knows that, then there are ways to be able to help the child or help the individual as it moves through life to not feel abandoned. I mean, l- look across our, our world, not just our nation, our world, how many, you know, how many babies are born into a family and all of a sudden the father leaves? I mean, he just goes, he can't handle it and he disappears. Or, you know, or there has to be a, um, divorce and, you know, again, who do you think feels responsible for that? The child.

[05:54] Speaker 2: The child feels abandoned, and abandonment is, again, one of the largest problems...... that we face because it's already within from the time we're a child. And a lot of times, the things we do to act up or to learn a lesson, or whatever it may be, is to simply get rid of that, and we don't even know that as a child. And typically, the parents didn't know it either. If they did, then they would have had the conception occur in a different way, and it's all about love. It should be between two people who have love with each other, who look into each other's heart, heart and eyes, and see, looking back at them, the Creator. The Creator should always be a part. "Where two or more are gathered in my name, there shall I be also." And when God is there and a part of that conception, that child will be different, automatically different, and you'd be amazed at, you know, as I've kept track of this over the years, you know, the differences in the children.

[07:09] Speaker 2: I mean, and we're seeing huge differences in children now that are being born where there is that love of God. And, you know, it's with everything we do. You know, if we're starting a new business, it takes nine months typically for that new business to succeed or to begin to, you know, prosper. Um, you know, there's a l- there's a law to everything, and yet, do we ask God to be in it? Is God a part of it? Are there two or more gathered and, and Christ is asked to be a part of, of the business, a third of it? And when you have this, it changes everything. So everything we do should be about God. Right now, it shouldn't be about how much money you have, or how much money you're losing, or how much it costs you in extra money to buy eggs. If you know someone who is barely getting by and can't, you know, barely buy enough, you know, food to eat and yet buy medicines and things like that, step in. It doesn't have to be a family member. As a matter of fact, it shouldn't be a family member.

[08:25] Speaker 2: It should be someone, anyone that you see that has the need, and in doing so, you fulfill, you fulfill what is one of God's, you know, first laws of creation, to receive for the purposes of sharing. And if you don't do that, then there is what I call the pendulum swing, and as you gain whatever it is that you gain, and you do so, you know, without for the purposes of sharing, that it swings back, and it will not only take from you what you gained, but typically, it will take more than you gained. And it swings back, and you wonder, "Where'd it all go? A- and I lost even more." And it will continue to happen. You know, how often throughout life have we said, "Oh, I'm just about to make it. I'm almost there." And, and here comes that pendulum swing, and it just, something happens, breaks, or, or, you know, shuts down, and, and it takes the excess that you had earned, you know, to fix it. And it doesn't have to be that way. Live within yourself. Take everything in.

[09:37] Speaker 2: If, I don't care if you're watching television, whatever it may be, and bring it within yourself, and experience it within yourself, and look straight ahead. Do not look to the left. Do not look to the right. Look straight ahead, and make sure that Christ is in your view, in that straight and narrow path. And if you do, you will find that comfort come, overwhelming love and joy. And if you haven't experienced overwhelming or overflowing love of God, I mean, when it flows from the heart, it flows. And overflowing means that it will never stop flowing. It continues to flow, and others, when they see you, they will want to know what it is that you have. "What is, what is different about you? What, you have something, and I don't know what it is." But it's something they're looking for, and everyone is looking for it. And we are responsible, this day and age, right now, we are responsible, and we are being judged on whether or not we tell somebody we don't even know.

[10:48] Speaker 2: Can you walk into a grocery store, and somebody you don't even know, walk up to them and, and ask them, "Do you pray every day?" Because this is the law of God. And when you do, they will take it within themselves, and it could possibly change their entire life. We don't realize, but when Jesus spoke throughout the Scriptures, and it was said that so much more was spoken that was never present, but, or never written down or has been removed, but, but when He spoke, He didn't chitchat. You know, if He said four little words, trust me, they have so much power in them, yet He spoke words that wouldn't create a ruckus, that wouldn't create somebody, you know, screaming, you know, that, "He's trying to, you know, teach me something I don't wanna know," or, or, "He's blasphemous to the, to the, to the Word, to the Holy Word." You know, He gave us things to say that nobody would ever think twice about it, but the power of it continues, you know?

[12:02] Speaker 2: To te- to say to someone who, you know, is giving you a really hard time about something..."Today is set before you both good and evil. Choose that which you will, for this is the law of God." By saying that, you have now, you know ... And we're responsible for it too, but so are they. And they can either choose which one they want, and they will sh- quickly know if they have chosen the wrong side, because, you know, we're not being given the timeframe that we were. It's, it's too short. And if you look around you, oh, my goodness gracious. I mean, what's happening in, in Minneapolis and what's happening in other cities. And don't think it's not coming to you. It's coming across this country, and, you know, there are going to be a lot of changes. You know, when you look at America, the United States, the Founding Fathers founded this country on Biblical principles and spiritual principles. Um, and some had agendas. There always is one.

[13:12] Speaker 2: Even when the sons of God came before the throne of God, among them was Satan, you know? And goodness gracious, I have pondered that one for, for 50 years, as to, you know, why would Satan figure that he even had the right to do so? But God, God doesn't have favorites, you know? God loves every one of His creation. But law is different. Love is, God is love, and God is law. God is law, and God is love. And so love is what God is, and in all of His creation, and law takes care of those transgressions that step outside the boundaries of God's love.

[14:05] Speaker 1: Well, Jim, this kind of leads into one of the other questions that was asked, and that would be, why would Lucifer, who was considered the Morning Star, fall from such a high position? It's been said he was just under the throne of God.

[14:20] Speaker 2: Well, if I had to give you the easy answer, I guess, um, it would be that he wanted to be God. He was so close, so f- so much underneath the throne of God that he considered that himself, you know, "Why shouldn't I be God?" Especially once free will was given. And, and so he created a rebellion with a host of other angels, you know, to follow him, because they were so powerful. You know, when you get somebody who, who becomes vice president, you know, what they really want is to be president. I mean, if you think about it, that's their desire. "I gotta be a good vice president so I can be a president." But, you know, I mean, to be able to, to live within all the gifts of God, and yet, to want to be God. I mean, it wasn't enough. "I wanna be God." And you know what? That was, that was his fall. That was his mistake. And, you know, I can't tell you that, you know, some day that there may not be a way for, that God will, you know, bring him back into the fold.

[15:40] Speaker 2: I don't know that question, you know? I mean, there's lots that's been said, and a lot of it can, is contained within, you know, the 26,000 years that third dimension or this, the third dimensional plane exists. But, you know, what will happen in the future? I don't know. Is it really ... You know, should we say, "Oh, that can't happen. I'll," you know, "That would never happen. It can't." It's not for us to, to determine, is it?

[16:09] Speaker 1: Right.

[16:09] Speaker 2: It's not for us to determine anyone's, you know, goodness, badness, their faith, you know, anything. If we're operating from within, it's all love. You love. You just give it love. And let God handle it, because it's time right now for that to occur.

[16:28] Speaker 1: Right. So why did God allow darkness into His creation?

[16:32] Speaker 2: Well, well, again, you know, when we, when we, you know, go before God, and we ask certain questions, you know, the angels, even those of the highest and the purest realms-

[16:49] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[16:50] Speaker 2: ... always indicate that if you're talking about dark, or dark beings, they seem to refer to them as the not-so-shiny light. And so, if you think about it, as mankind was put on this Earth, you know, the, the evening and the morning were the first day. So it tells me that there probably wasn't any darkness. If there was, it wasn't much. And as man began to fall, began to take things into his own hands, began to decide for himself what he wanted, rather than what was God's law and God's will, then, you know, darkness began to take a bigger hold. Right now, the angels seem to indicate that we are at a 60/40%, 60% dark, 40% light. Now, it has never, that I remember, been at that, that rate. Typically, it's 49/51, 51/49, goes back and forth over that 50% mark, because that's where it was when we came into the planet, um, in the beginning, when we were asked by Christ to come here and to balance the planet out, and walk out and out of it-...

[18:19] Speaker 2: with a body that was what we'll call a light body, and it can survive in any galaxy, any planet, any place in the universe. And it could be placed into locations where spiritual beings have become lost in worlds of matter, and they don't remember who they are. They don't remember the light, they don't remember God at all. And so a body could be taken there and produced, and it would give them a way of being able to take on that body and walk up out of it, as we have done, and we are still doing each and every day.

[19:01] Speaker 1: Very good, yeah. Um, a big question that was, uh, was asked was, uh, when Mary was chosen, uh, you know, to be the one to, to bear Jesus, uh, was Mary born... Was she herself born through an immaculate conception from her mother, Anna? And was sh-... Was Anna one of the two, the high priestess and priest, who consecrated Jesus after the birth?

[19:33] Speaker 2: Absolutely. Um, and you know, in those days, a lot of times people went by their title, and Anna was a title. Um, and she was considered a high priestess. And priests and priestesses in the Essenes, which has now been verified by, um, you know, by some of the older texts that have been found in the caves of Qumran, um, and we now know that a lot of what we believed to be, um, or thought to be, was verified, and so Anna was an immaculate conception. And when she gave birth, she gave birth to a girl. All of the men in m- in the Essene community were very confused. I mean, very, very confused, and voiced their, their confusion, because they expected that she was going to give birth to a male child. I mean, how could it be otherwise? I mean, and you know, here we have a problem where, you know, the patriarchs are the ones who were always in control, and a lot of your testaments and your Torahs and, and books and things have been written by the patriarchs.

[20:55] Speaker 2: You know, there have been books about the matriarchs, and yet they have disappeared. But yet, if you think about it, when Adam created Eve, he pushed from within, without, and, and created her outside of himself, but yet a part of his own soul. And so, you know, as we look down the road and we see Mary and Jesus, she pushed from within, without and created Jesus, whose father was God and/or the Holy Spirit. And when you look at it that way, you see that it reversed what was in the beginning, it reversed it, and, and a male was born to a, an immaculate conception, but she herself, Mary, was an immaculate conception from Anna, which was an immaculate conception herself. And so it... the lineage continued and followed. Um, it's, it's very unique, but the consecration of Jesus after his birth, which is eight days after the birth, no one is allowed to, to be close to the baby until eight days have passed, and then the baby is consecrated by a high priest and a high priestess.

[22:19] Speaker 2: And they are taught, taken from their families at about the age of four, if they are chosen to be in that role, and they are taught everything. But it also included very hard work. It was very demanding food-wise, what they ate, what they did, you know, who they were able to associate with throughout their lives until they were ready to be consecrated as a priestess or a priest, um, of the Essenes. And they were Jewish, don't get me wrong. They had high priests too, and it's just that one sect, you know, lived by the law of God, the other lived by the spirit of the law, and that was the Essenes.

[23:08] Speaker 2: But the word Essene itself means expectant, and so they lived every day expecting that through them, if they could hold to the love and light of God, that through them could be born the King of the Jews or, you know, the light and salvation of mankind

[23:33] Speaker 1: Very good. Well, here is another question. Why was it necessary for Jesus to be born in Bethlehem?

[23:41] Speaker 2: Ah, you know, that's an... it's an interesting one, isn't it?

[23:45] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[23:45] Speaker 2: This is how God worked, you know? All of a sudden, here's your, your Romans and, and, and even your, your King Herod, who was a, a, an offshoot of the, um, lineage of Esau. If you go back to Jacob, Jacob was brought... Jacob and his brother, Esau, and one lineage went all the way down, and they created, you know, a place for King Herod to take up. And yet, it was a false lineage, because there was not supposed to be a king that came out of that lineage, and yet, you know... Well-... you know, Satan's always busy and always putting things in place if he can to try and, you know, outsmart or outdo God, and it just doesn't work. It never has worked. But if you look at the lineage of Jesus, it was necessary that he come through the lineage of King David, came from Jacob, and, you know, down through the line, a- and there were several, you know, people that you'll find in holy scripture that, you know, that carried the lineage down through.

[25:03] Speaker 2: And how they did it, the things that happened, they're connected. I mean, it's just amazing when you look at it, how it connects one year to the next, to the next, to the next. And even from King David to King Solomon, you know, it was necessary that that lineage be the one that Jesus was born into. And why? Because that was the k- that was the lineage of the kings. And as you keep going down through, you know, it was necessary that Jesus was born of a Levite, of the Levite clan, because they were the actual kings of Judah. And Jacob had said, "The scepter shall never leave Judah." But a curse had been placed on Judah so that King Herod could usurp the throne, so to speak, and claim himself a king, and yet you see how that turned out. Not well. And, you know, it's been said that, that when Hitler died, that he would probably, he would probably sleep for, for 10,000 years or more before he woke up and he...

[26:19] Speaker 2: and civilization will have moved far enough ahead that he could even begin to face the atrocities that are counted to him. And, you know, Herod was no different. He went so far as to kill, I mean, what? Thousands of Hebrew children from babies just born to two years old. I mean, he wanted to make sure he got every one of 'em. Why? Because he thought that that child could possibly ruin his lineage. Well, wasn't gonna ruin his, because he was already an old man, but was he thinking of his son? I hope not, because his son actually helped take the throne by making sure that he killed, you know, King Herod and took the name Antipas, Herod Antipas. And, you know, that's what happens in false kingdoms. I mean, it's all about, "I wanna be the king." Just like Lucifer, "I wanna be God, because I'm just under him.

[27:19] Speaker 2: The only thing that's holding me back is that old man sitting in a chair." And so that's how it ended up with Herod, but that lineage was Esau's, and the lineage that Jesus was born through was of, of... A- again, um, from Jacob all the way up through, you know, to David, and there's lots in between. But if you look at 'em, they're all connected, and it took an act of God in most all of them to make sure that nothing disrupted that lineage. I mean, and there was attempts in every single situation to try and keep that lineage from making it. And, and if you look, Joseph, which was not Jesus' biological father, because he was fathered by the Holy Spirit, and so, you know, even though Joseph was not his biological father, he was actually in the line. He would have been the next king of, of Judea, of the Israelites. And yet because of that curse, it kept him from taking it. But it didn't matter because Mary, Jesus' mother, was also a Levite and also in the very same lineage.

[28:53] Speaker 2: And so Jesus was born a king. He was a king. He was the king of the Jews. And yet because of that curse, it kept, it kept that lineage from taking it as it should have been done. But, you know, God always has a way, you know? A king doesn't have to have a palace to be able to be loved by, you know, those who he rules over or he rules with. I mean... And Jesus was always one who declared himself to be the son of the living God, and yet declared no estate of himself. He never, ever owned a house. He didn't own cars. He didn't own, you know, I mean, great hoards of gold and silver. I mean, if there was ever anything extra, it was given to the poor, and, you know, and that wasn't, you know... The other way wasn't God's way. It was to show people that, that, "I love all my children. It doesn't matter what estate they are, or how low they have fallen, or, you know, that I am there. All they have to do is call out." And how often do we call out?

[30:14] Speaker 2: How often do we go within and ask-

[30:18] Speaker 3: Yes.

[30:18] Speaker 2: ... that God become part of everything we do and that we place our will in his? If you do that and don't look left, don't look right-... straight ahead, then even as Peter walked upon the water, you will walk upon the chaos, above it. And you will find things come naturally to you. And what do you really need? Do you not have enough to eat on? Do you not have enough to live on? I mean, are you worried about the future? I don't think I'd be worrying too much about the future if I were you, except that, you know, that you're walking within the will of God. When you put your hand in God and ask that He guides you and that He bring every opportunity to you in any way possible, even those that you may be able to glorify His name before them.

[31:09] Speaker 1: Very good. Yes, I like that-

[31:11] Speaker 2: One thing else I'd like to say is that Anna was, again, was the name of a high priestess that was almost grandmotherly. And Mary, believe it or not, you'll see Mar- so many Marys throughout biblical history and, and other histories, but Mary was also, um, a name for one who was raised to be a high p- to be a priest, priestess, um, because it was on the steps, on the very top step, that Gabriel came to her at the age of 14 and told her that she would become the chosen one. Um, she didn't have Jesus until she was 16, I believe, but, but, you know, it, it's been said that her name was Mariana, which meant that she would ascend to that point, you know, to that high priestess estate. Um, and of course, you know, the men then backed off, some. Although, you know, it was never easy for the women, because Jesus had women that were disciples, so to speak.

[32:25] Speaker 2: And you know, it was so funny, because when he would teach, they would get it, because they'd take it inside, like we're saying now, do everything inside of yourself. Anything you're gonna build, build it inside of yourself first, and, and ask for help, because there are just some things where just, I don't care who we are, we're not that smart, you know, as we are than if God builds it with us.

[32:52] Speaker 1: That's very true. That's very true. Well, here's the next question for you, Jim. Jesus came and cleared everything outside and forgave everyone's sins from within so that everyone could approach the Father or the very throne of God. Can you expand on this?

[33:10] Speaker 2: Well, yes. Jesus said, "No man cometh unto the Father, but by me." And the idea was, is that God, the most high God, cannot look upon sil- sin. He, He cannot, He cannot look on sin. And, and I think one of the reasons th- for that is not that He had, you know, any problems with it. It's that the individual standing before Him, it would probably kill them, because of the... if they had sin within them, the light of the most high God was so, so high in intensity and frequency that it would probably, you know, kill a human body. But if one comes before the throne of God on the arm of Christ, then Christ has forgiven us of, of all of our sin. And so therefore, no longer do we have to worry about God not being able to look upon us, because when He does, He sees His son, because we were all created through the Logos, um, the soul, because He breathed the breath of life into the nostrils of the man, and He became a living soul. So, you know, that's the beauty of it all.

[34:32] Speaker 2: And too often, we just don't get it. And everything that Jesus walked was love, everything. He walked it all in love, and yet, you know, as He was... You know, the nails were pounded into His wrists and into His feet. Where were the disciples? Where were those who, you know, who followed Him, the 5,000? I once asked the angels, you know, "Could anybody have looked into His eyes and not known who He was?" And they said, "Yes." They said, "Most of the 5,000 came for the free food. Not necessarily to hear what He had to say." And it saddens me to think that way, but yet, how many today, you know, they want big cathedrals. The bigger the church, the more expensive the church. I mean, I think the Catholic Church paid $98 million for a church in Los Angeles back, oh, I don't know, 15 years or so ago. And I mean, $98 million, and I'm sure it was full every week, because everybody wanted to say, "Oh, yeah, I go to that church. Oh, see, I went over there.

[35:44] Speaker 2: That $98 million church, I go to it." You know? Why? Why? Because it makes you something m- greater because you go to a $98 million church rather than the little church in the glen? I mean, honestly, you know, where you find God is within you. The church is within you. It's not a building. It doesn't have to be in a building. It can be on the side of a bank somewhere. But the idea is, is that, that God is within you, and He has given you everything you could ever need, anything you could ever want, the answers to any question if you sat and you-... and you pray, and trust me, when you pray, God already knows what you're going to pray about. It's not as if He doesn't, you know, takes him by surprise, "Oops, I didn't know he needed a new car." Sure He does. God knows everything that we would ever need to make us happy, not just, not just to get us around town, but to make us happy.

[36:53] Speaker 2: And we ourselves, through the tree of knowledge, took ourselves out of that, and we began this little hamster wheel, and there's not enough systems, not enough years, not enough, you know, times to be able to, to experience every specific situation connected with even one bite of that apple. And yet, the idea is that, you know, we say we want to be Christian, we want to be, you know, a part of God's work, and we give our lives to God, and yet, you know, faith without works is dead, and that is biblical. And can it be said any greater? I mean, when you have faith, that means you can't help yourself but want to spread it, you want to give it to anybody you can. Even those people who look at you like you're a nut, you know? Or, you know, "Well, I go to, you know, this church over here or that church over there, and they don't believe like you do. We have different beliefs." Well, I don't care if you have different ways of finding your path to God but there's only one God.

[38:08] Speaker 2: And so, there cannot be, you know, different beliefs. If there are, then they will hang you up, and they will keep you from gaining your seat, you know-

[38:22] Speaker 1: Right.

[38:22] Speaker 2: ... beside your savior.

[38:24] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. That's true. Okay, the next question we have for you here is, why were the Jews or the Israelites created by God knowing that they would probably not accept Jesus as their messiah? And if God knew they probably wouldn't accept the messiah, then why were they created and called God's people?

[38:46] Speaker 2: Well, the Hebrews were brought from a much higher place in the heaven than we were, um, though we came from the angelic realms and, you know, and were born through the Logos, and took on the likeness of, of Christ and the Elohim, um, and we took on that likeness. The Hebrews came from a m- a little higher realm, I mean, three or four higher realms, and they were placed on the Earth, but God, being omnipr- omni- omni- omnipotent and omnipresent, knew that the chances are that, that even coming from that level, that, you know, there would probably be t- temptations that would be so hard to, to deny or turn down, and there were. And don't think that Satan didn't put everything he had into it, I mean, to try and, and, you know, and change them from, you know, being a God-fearing people to being a, you know, just a, a bunch of people who still did their sacrifices and their, their, their rituals. And, but what was in their heart, you know?

[40:17] Speaker 2: Can one even imagine that God could create a covenant with a group of Hebrews on one evening? I mean, and the love was everywhere, and the promises were made, and by the next morning, Satan, who took on the name Aiden instead of Adonai, Adonai being Jesus, he had to come as close as he could, but he knew he couldn't step over the line, so he called himself, you know, Aiden. But he promised these same Hebrews, "If you follow me instead, I'll make sure you have three extra ears of corn on every stalk. I'll make sure that your cattle, you know, b- bear, you know, two at a time, you know, all the time." And promised them everything, all kinds of things that they could have now, and he could show them th- the three ears of corn as they began to pop up on their stalks. I mean, and the Hebrews couldn't run fast enough to take their firstborn sh- child and rush to the altar that was on fire and burn their child on, on the altar.

[41:36] Speaker 2: Now, my heart hurts when I think of that, but, you know, how often do we run that quick if we think that there's money to be made, if there is lots of money to be made, or, or, you know, lots of prosperity, or, or we can have this great big mansion? We can have a, a house that has six bedrooms in it and we don't have any children. I mean, what is the point? What is the point of accumulating things that just get in our way, you know? What you possess possesses you. And it didn't even take one day. The very next morning, they were sacrificing their children, their firstborn, on the altars, you know, as a sacrifice to Satan, and oh my goodness, I mean-... it's just- I'm- it's- it's too horrible for me to even think that overnight, I mean, overnight you made a covenant with God, and by the next morning, you know, your head had been turned. Why? There had to have been something awfully, awfully good that you wanted, you know, or you wanted to be known as the ones who could have everything.

[42:57] Speaker 2: And you know what? I mean, and yet, you know, you lost your own firstborn child by throwing them onto the altar. You know? There's too many instances in the Bible, you know, where, you know, people would make vows. "If I win this battle, I'll sacrifice my first born." And, you know, not thinking they were gonna win, but yet they did. And they ended up... Can you imagine having to go back to your daughter, who at that time was old enough to know the difference, and look her in the eye and tell her that she was going to have to be thrown on the altar and sacrificed in the fire? I- I can't even imagine it, but it was done because he was king and he had to. He ha- he was a slave to his word, and too often we are a slave to our own word. And, you know, love. If somebody does you wrong, love them. Pray for them, love them, because that's what Christ would do, and that's what Christ did.

[44:08] Speaker 2: When they pounded the nails, you know, the spikes into his wrists, I mean, the excruciating pain already, and then that. And then he says, "Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do." How many of us would be saying that? How many of us would be saying those words instead of cursing those people who were pounding the nails? Or the fact that not one disciple, except John, John was there with Jesus's mother, and Jesus said, "Mother, your son. Your son, your mother." And he was telling his mother that John was to take care of her from that point forward, to make sure that she was okay. And that John was the only disciple, I believe, that wasn't crucified for what he believed. Um, not that he was treated well. I mean, he went through the, he went through some, some terrible, horrible conditions at times. But, but he wasn't crucified in that one.

[45:12] Speaker 2: Um, or t- or, was it Thomas that didn't believe in anything and Jesus said, "Here, put your fingers into the holes in my hands, or in my wrists, or in my feet, because they're still there, and if that doesn't convince you..." And in many ways it still didn't, you know, because they were taught that you lived, you died, and when you died, well that was it, you weren't coming back. I mean, and, you know, it- it was so hard sometimes for Jesus to teach the disciples. He picked some of the worst of the worst of the worst, you know? But they were chosen ahead of time, so when he went and gathered them, you know, he knew what the job would be. And it was difficult because when he would be teaching them along with the women, sometimes they would get up and just walk out of the room because they felt like the women should not be taught, you know, the same things that the men were taught.

[46:20] Speaker 2: And, you know, that had been going on for way too long, and you know if you go back in history, you'll find that in the very, very beginnings of life on this Earth, the f- the feminine was typically the ones who ran government, and then it became overrun by the masculine. Then it went back to the females again. The Iroquois Nation, you know, from which we get a lot of, of our Constitution from, they, with six other nations, got together and created this document because they were always warring against each other. Wow. I mean, sounds like a good reason to have a document to me. But, they were matriarchal, and so it was the women that chose the men and the chiefs of the tribe, and they also deposed the chiefs of the tribe if they weren't doing what they had promised to do.

[47:20] Speaker 2: How often today do we hold our, our individuals that are put in place into, you know, into positions of authority within our government, how often do we hold them to what they promise?They promise this, they promise this, they promise this, they promise this. "That's exactly what I want. We're looking for someone to help bring us together rather than pulling- pushing- pushing us apart." And what is happening around the world? Exactly the opposite, isn't it? Why? Because of an extra dollar. I mean, do we really need it? My guess is no. You know, oil's on its way out, but can't leave a barrel of oil in the ground, can you? I mean, if it's worth 60 bucks, I mean, well you got to get it out of there and get the 60 bucks for it because you can't possibly have, you know, have it stay in there, I mean, even though it balances and lubricates the inner- insides of the Earth. Don't think for a minute that God is...

[48:23] Speaker 2: God is, you know, fooled, because if the United States or America does not follow .... or fall into alignment with God's ways and God's works and God's law, then it will have to suffer the consequences. And the states that, you know, that don't abide by their constitutions, that think that they don't have to, "Oh, we don't have to. We're a separate form of government," you know? "What's that got to do with anything?" You know? Just because the, you know, sep- or because the Supreme Court rules that, you know, you have to follow the Constitution, "Well, we don't have to. We're a separate part of government, so we can do what we want." You know? Where, where is the... Where is the love? Where is the cohesiveness? Where is the bringing together in oneness what the people have already decreed, I mean, long ago?

[49:21] Speaker 2: And they even had a referendum here in this state, 53% of the population, you know, voted that they wanted the Constitution to remain as it was and for our elected officials to follow it, and they have done everything but. And they consider that they don't have to. They're, you know, they're special, you know? They don't have to follow the Constitution. Well, but you do. And, you know, I was talking with the deputy sheriff not too long ago, and he told me, he said, "Jim," he said, "I can hardly walk out of my house every day and you don't break, end up breaking two or three laws on the process." He said, "There are so many laws on the books," he said, "that just don't even make sense." I mean, common sense, but they're put in there because somebody wanted one, somebody had a neighbor that did something they didn't like, so they made a law. And, you know, the thing about it is, is that there's only one law, and that's God's law.

[50:25] Speaker 2: And man has the ability, through government, through election, to be able to, to take an oath and to make those laws, but they must follow the Constitution, and the Constitution must be a mirror image of God's law. If not, then God's law must triumph over man's law. And soon, we are going to see again, just as in the days of Noah, because, you know, when you start out, where you start out, it's like a line that goes around, and it's not... it's not a round circle. It is oval-shaped, and it goes around to the tip, and then it comes back around the other side, and when it gets to the end, well, you're reliving everything that had been relived in the beginning and all along the way. The cycles are just new cycles. They're new names maybe, but they are still the same cycle.

[51:27] Speaker 2: And when you get to the end and they cross over, one becomes the, uh, the omega, and the next one becomes the new alpha, and it begins a brand-new creation that goes up and around, and has to go back to the, to its beginnings, to where it started. And, you know, do you want to stand before your own God and have to explain why every day you worried about, you know, how much you did here and how much you did there and, and how hard it was to, you know, mow the lawn and do the garden and, you know, all that? Or, do you want to be able to explain to your Creator, you know, how you made, you made sure that somebody you knew was fed and helped and aided and that you, you told them about you, about God? You know? Because, you know, as we said before, the words, "Do you pray every day?

[52:34] Speaker 2: For it is the law of God," once you say that, those, those teeny little words, they seem so simple, "Have you prayed today?" And yet they carry the power, the power of, of God, the Almighty God, and they will have to be taken within and dealt with once you say them. And yet, you know, they're simplistic, you know? And there's other things. The disciples asked Jesus, "Well, I'm sending you out without a purse, and how do I get food to eat?" He said, "Just knock on a door, tell them who you are, and ask them if they have any extra food they could share." He said, "And as you do, say the words, 'Peace be unto this house.'" Now, that sounds pretty reasonable, right? I mean, peace be unto this house, I mean, goodness gracious, I mean, that's a pretty nice thing to say.

[53:35] Speaker 2: And yet, it carries the power and authority of God Himself, and when you say it, if there is any agenda in the house or anything that might pop out or anything that might try to sway you or swerve or, or throw you off the path or even attack you, then it will show itself almost immediately. "Peace be unto this house." Simple words, you know? I mean, "Do you pray every day?" And again, the other one, same thing, and the other one I already told you about, "Before you beset today both good and evil." Two sides of the coin. Choose that which you will, for this is the law of God and must be said in that way, "This is the law of God." And that's all you have to say, and walk away.

[54:30] Speaker 4: You're right. If there's something that's gonna happen, it will begin to happen.

[54:34] Speaker 2: Oh, it will begin to happen.

[54:36] Speaker 1: Well, Tim, we have another question here.

[54:37] Speaker 2: Okay.

[54:38] Speaker 1: Okay. It's said John the Baptist, the messenger of Jesus of his coming, was beheaded once again by King Herod at bidding of Salome. Why was this necessary?

[54:49] Speaker 2: Well, in some ways it wasn't necessary, but, but him coming back into the material realm, it brought about oaths and, you know, things that were said by Jezebel towards, you know, Elijah and, and she... I mean, she was angry. Why? Because there were two altars made, and wood was put on both of them and the priests, which were 40, I believe, of Jezebel's were there and so was, um, those who represented Jesus or God. And fire was called down from heaven to see which one had the most power. Well, nothing happened on, you know, on either side, nothing was going on, n- no fire. But then, he walked over and he took a pail of water and he poured it all over God's altar. And then he called forth the fire and fire, I mean, blazing hot fire occurred, even though water had been poured on the wood. And trust me, the priests of Jezebel didn't care, you know.

[56:15] Speaker 2: I mean, at that point, they just took off running as fast as they could through the desert and, and he sent his, his, you know, his protectors out and they slaughtered all 40 of them. When this got back to Jezebel, she said, "I will have his head." And that's the way she said it. Sh- I mean, it was an oath, "I will, no matter what it takes, I will have that man's head." And so, it was said that he was in... before he became in the womb of Elizabeth, his mother, which was the cousin to Mary, and they were both pregnant at the same time, Jesus called John from far, far away. My guess is thousands and thousands of years into the future, but he heard the call, and when the master calls, when God calls, do you say no? And so he came back and he was in his mother's womb, Elizabeth's, when Mary went to visit her, and the baby inside Elizabeth's womb jumped for joy at the sighting of Mary carrying Jesus, and he was the forerunner.

[57:35] Speaker 2: Now, you will also notice that there are, in the text, information about how John took some of the, um, initiations with Jesus because his father was also a high priest. And so for them to become rabbis, they had to study and they had to study the, the scriptures, you know, and they went to different temples and different universities, what you'd call in them days, and, you know, and they learned all that they, they needed and... Otherwise, they... Jesus wouldn't have been able to have walked into a temple and opened the scrolls and began to read. It wasn't certainly the most po- the most positive in the eyes of the Sanhedrin or the Pharisees, and they didn't like it very well because he read them the way they were supposed to be read and probably some of the things that had been omitted or not been read, and he read them. And, you know, again, he was in the lineage of the kings, but he was also in the lineage of the high priests, as was John.

[58:43] Speaker 2: John's father was a high priest, um, you know, among the regular Jewish, um, you know, heads. But Jesus being of an Essene still, you know, still Jewish and still the same temples and the same rituals, and he became a high priest and a rabbi. And if you remember, throughout all Jesus's walk, I mean, he was constantly referred to as Rabbi, and Rabbi was not a, a name that was just haphazardly given. I mean, there was... If you were called Rabbi, you were called Rabbi because you had earned the right and you were of the Levite clan. And so, you know, when you read that he was a carpenter, Jesus was never a carpenter. I have searched high and low through, you know, the possible languages that were given at that time, and nowhere does it say anything about a carpenter.

[59:47] Speaker 2: He was a rabbi and that's what was referred to, and you know, the Roman name Jesus was given because the highest God they had was Zeus, and so that's the only reference they could give to Jesus, and so they called him Jesus or Jesus, and, and that's how that name came about. Is that his correct name? No, but I don't think it matters if the intent is there and the love is there, then I, I don't think... He'll answer to a lot of names and he has a lot of other sacred names that most don't even know. It would be helpful to know because they can dispel negativity or satanic activity. I mean... it can, it can break it loose. And if you're, you know, undecided about something or someone, you know, those sacred names can unmask the individuals almost immediately.

[01:00:53] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[01:00:53] Speaker 2: And-

[01:00:54] Speaker 1: Absolutely. Um, all right. Do we wanna move onto the next question?

[01:01:00] Speaker 2: Sure.

[01:01:00] Speaker 1: Okay. So, in Jesus's walk in life, why did he have to go to so many places that were considered to have had sacred teachings?

[01:01:08] Speaker 2: Okay. L- let me say one more thing about the last, the last question. You know, Salome, who was the step-daughter of King Herod, and again, King Herod was of the lineage of Esau, not the proper king, which would have been Joseph, um, and then Jesus. But, but Salome was, was, you know, whether you believe in reincarnation or not, you know, she was Jezebel in every sh- every way, shape, or form. And one way or another, so many years later, well, she finally got his head. And how'd she get it? Through King Herod. I mean, you know, all for a dance. "I'll give you half of my ki- kingdom. I'll even give you my mother's half of the kingdom," he said to her. And she said, "Anything?" He said, "Anything." And he promised. He said, "I am, uh, I am subject to my word." And when she asked for John's head on, on a platter, well, he had no choice.

[01:02:22] Speaker 2: But pr- just prior to that, Jesus had gone to visit John, and Lucius, which was just under Pilate, was the one who, you know, kept the prisons and, and the dungeons and things like that. And Jesus walked in and he said, "I will see John." And Lucius said, "He's, he can see no, no, nobody. No one can, can come to see him." And Jesus said, "I will. I will come to see... I have come to see John." And Lucius turned the light on him and he said, "What do you, what do you mean? Who are you anyway?" And he told him who he was, and he said, "Why do I know you?" And he said, "Because you favored my mother once." And he goes, "Oh, you are of Nazareth. You are the child that was born in Bethlehem." And Jesus didn't say anything, but Lucius said, "I'll give you 15 minutes with the prisoner." And he took him in, but he didn't unlock the gates completely, you know? Jesus had to see him through the, through the, the bars, but John could get up to Jesus.

[01:03:34] Speaker 2: And Jesus, I believed at that point, removed the soul of John from the body so that whatever John had to experience wouldn't be experienced by the soul. There would be no pain, no... I mean, could any of us imagine that we could get to that place where we won't have to experience the death? We may look out there and see the body's flailing in the water 'cause it can't swim, and it eventually drowns, but we're standing on the, on the bank watching. And so, he released John from within himself, and he told Lucius that's what he would do. He said, "Did you come to free John?" And he said, "I came to free John from himself." And I believe that's what he did. And it was a very short period after that, that the gentleman who beheaded people, you know, showed up and took John's head and put it on a silver platter, silver seems to always come in, doesn't it? And took it back to Salome, and she got her wish. She got her oath, you know?

[01:04:43] Speaker 2: And coming back into the earth plane, well, there had to be a, there had to have been a wonder, you know, will she get her way? Well, she was determined, and you know, and John showed that it didn't matter. He didn't come into this world for gain. He wore camel skin clothing, you know? He ate, you know, honey and, and, and, and other things that were of a lower state, but... And he taught the word of God and he taught baptism, and baptism... Now that I'm saying that, baptism is so very important. And people say, "Well, I was sprinkled when I was a kid." That's not baptism. Baptism goes back way before Jesus, Tom, but it has become so necessary since the year 2000, because we are moving into the Aquarian age, and it is necessary for baptism, and baptism must take place in a, in a water that carries enough volume for 5,760 eggs, I think it is. Um, and that much water in volume of medium eggs, I would figure each egg would be about, what, two cubic inches?

[01:06:05] Speaker 2: But, you know, I would over- overflow rather than worry about it being not enough, because my guess is a lot of the, the, you know, the baptismals in churches probably don't meet that standard. They should be measured. But, but in the baptism, it can be done by anyone, but it has to be an immersion and not one hair above the head. Because what will happen is, you ask that the light of God come into you and take up all the places that the negativity had, had, you know, entrenched itself in, and as you are immersed...... the water encapsulates the negativity, and when you come up out of the water, the light will instantly fill you and push out, push away the negativity. And if you remember when Jesus healed the man of the demons, that had a thousand demons, and he cast him into the pigs, the pigs went running down the hill and in, and into the water and that gives you an idea.

[01:07:17] Speaker 2: The water encapsulates the negativity, and it will hold that negativity until either it dries up or the end of times come. And then that soul may be released, you know, possibly to become, you know, go through the human process. I, I don't know. That's, that is God's purview, not mine. Um, but he... I think he gave them a mercy, because he could have destroyed them. He could have thrown them into the gates of hell, so deep that, you know, that they would never have gotten out. But, but he didn't. And that was God... That was Jesus' way. God's way was the law. Jesus was the law, but the spirit of the law. And his contained mercy. Thank goodness, 'cause we have all needed it at one time or another.

[01:08:13] Speaker 5: So let's go back now to the question, in Jesus' walk in life, why did he have to go to so many places that were considered to have sacred teachings?

[01:08:23] Speaker 2: Well, he was part of the Essenes. And again, the Essenes were a, a different sect of Jews and they lived in the mountains and in the caves, underground, believe it or not. And in Qumran, which was where the temple was built, um, you know, they had to be taught. And so, the regular J- Jews, they had their nice temples and, and their nice teachers, and, you know, and pomp and circumstance. That wasn't what the Essenes were about. But Joseph of Arimathea, who was one of the, you know, the biggest traders in that day and had ships of his own, well, he was an Essene. He was actually a cousin to Magdalena. And, and so he did what he could to ensure that they had safe passage to wherever they needed to go. And their caves, you know, were underground and so they would come out upstream or upshore of, of the sea, um, far enough that you wouldn't be able to see it.

[01:09:37] Speaker 2: And the, the kings and princes and, and the wealthy people of their day that lived in and around Jerusalem and those areas, you know, he would bring them back spices that nobody else had. He would bring them back different types of wood and different types of... different type, types of things that made them look special. And because of that, you know, he was given a lot of leeway. And so when he took off on his ships, they didn't know it, but a few miles up, you know, upstream, guess what? He was going to be pulling over and out of the caves would come some of the young, um, initiates, and they were put on the ships and they were taken to the different locations and, and there they would learn until it became time to move to the next area. And it was that they might know the mysticisms of the ancient times and even Buddhism and, and Egyptian.

[01:10:43] Speaker 2: They, John and Jesus both went through the initiations, um, in Egypt, um, in the Great Pyramid and that was being put in the sarcophagus that was, um, you know, that was pretty deep. And you were put in it and the lid was slid over you and you stayed in there for three days without, you know, without the lid being slid back. Well, we all know that about two days is all a man can go without water (laughing) and yet when the stone was rolled back off the top, um...

[01:11:23] Speaker 2: And Sandy, you know because you laid in that sarcophagus

[01:11:25] Speaker 5: (laughs) Yes.

[01:11:26] Speaker 2: You know, when we were in the King's Chamber, they held back 150 people so that we could go in by ourselves and they asked us, "Do you pray?" And we said, "Absolutely, every day." And the gentleman sitting in front of that, that opening said, "Go." And he held back the 150 people that were behind us while we went in for about, uh, 20 minutes to a half hour. And I'll never forget, you know, you have to bend down because it's not tall enough to stand up as you go up the ascending passageway. And as you get into the King's Chamber, there's a hum. Mm. You know, the whole, the whole chamber hums. But it didn't take Sandy two seconds to run over there and jump in that coffin and lay down. (laughing) And I mean, I was... I looked at her and I said, "Are you kidding me?" She goes, "You don't think I'm gonna come this far, you know, and get this chance and not take it to lay down in the same place that Christ laid for three days." And so what could you say?

[01:12:32] Speaker 2: I was, I was in number two (laughs) as soon as she got out. But, you know, we did a meditation in the center of, of the King's Chamber and then we did the descending passageway. And as we got towards the end of the descending passageway, the other 150 people were coming, starting to come up. Um, and it was just amazing. I mean, to think that...... the gentleman sitting at the front of that opening would pick us to be able to go in there by ourself. But, you know, but God is one, and, you know, if that were the only thing that happened, he'd... You know, it'd be interesting for sure, but it wasn't. Lots of things happened, and, you know? And we were meant to walk that walk, even as Jesus was meant to walk that walk. And, you know, everything Jesus did was connected to another, to another, to another, and it all connected back until, you know, He end up- ended up back in Nazareth.

[01:13:38] Speaker 2: And it's so funny, because He never healed a- anyone in Nazareth, He never preached to anyone in Nazareth, and most people said, "Nazareth? What good has ever come out of Nazareth?" And it brings us back to the point of, you know, you are in your own place, in your own home, your own town, you know? Will probably never be looked at as a prophet, because, because, you know, they knew you as a little kid. They knew the mischief you made, you know, and the things you did, and, you know, the little girl's hair you pulled, and they see you that way. And they forget that, you know, that even as a little child pulling the pig tails, I mean, you know, we have to become as little children. We can't stay adults and make it into Heaven. We have to learn to play, we have to learn to laugh, we have to learn to forget about the cares of every day sometimes, and be able to learn to be whatever it is that God leads us into.

[01:14:50] Speaker 2: And to say every morning, "Dear Heavenly Father, through the Messiah, my God and Savior, Yeshua, and the blessed Holy Spirit, Shekinah, I ask, guide me, take me by the hand, and I ask that my world be placed into Yours. And if there's opportunities that can be brought to me, then please allow them to be brought to me, that I may be able to help someone see the glory of my God."

[01:15:24] Speaker 4: Very good. Okay, one more question here.

[01:15:27] Speaker 2: Okay.

[01:15:28] Speaker 4: What was the plaque that was placed above Jesus' head on the cross?

[01:15:33] Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of speculation on that, t- to be honest with you. Um, most of what you'll see are the, the letters I-N-R-I. Um, and, you know, it has been interpreted, although I can't find it in, in, you know, Greek or, or Roman or... So my guess is, it was probably Latin, but I don't know for sure. But I-N-R-I is what we have put there, and, you know, we as Americans always have a tendency to wanna put everything in American or English. Um, and English is, is EngLish or, or angel language, and we've just kind of screwed it up, (laughs) like we usually do. But in its original form, it was angel language, that was where English or English, EngLish, comes from. And so it was I-N-R-I, and what was being said was, "This is the King of the Jews." Now, some would say, "They're mocking him. They're mocking him because, you know, he claimed or s- or it was claimed that he was, you know, trying to become King of the Jews." But you know what? That's not true. He was King of the Jews.

[01:16:54] Speaker 2: He was the rightful king of, of Judea, the rightful king through bloodline, through... All the way through Mary, you know? He was the one that should have taken the throne of, uh, that Herod had usurped, but of, you know, as King, King of the Jews. And so they placed that plaque above his head, but it was true. He was a king, and yet he made no state of himself, did he? He didn't demand that politicians do this or that. He didn't, you know? He didn't involve himself so much with that, and why? Because he knew his kingdom was in Heaven, and when it came and it settled itself upon this land, that it was going to be the kingdom of all, one God. And, you know, as you look at the Scriptures, you know, America, the United States is the place where the new Jerusalem will be established. If you look at Jerusalem, right in the middle of it, it has USA. No coincidences in this world. So, you know... And it means, um, hero, um, of Salem.

[01:18:21] Speaker 2: So hero of Salem is what the word itself meant, but it was also that place that was solely protected as being the heartbeat of God. And, you know, it's been shown how the dove that represents the Holy Spirit will land upon America and upon the United States. If you go to, I think it's Tennessee, you know, right in the heart of the square-... of their capital. You know, they have a great big complex, and it, it carries obelisks and pyramids and, and all kinds of sacred geometries. Like, they know, but they don't wanna tell anybody. But that's where the heart of the dove will land, and its head will be in, in the Yucatan, its tail in Canada, and its wings... Well, its feet will be pretty much, one of them, right here where we are. Um, pretty daggone close to, to Seneca Rock, West Virginia. And the other one, well, spread it out and you'll see where it comes to.

[01:19:35] Speaker 2: And the wings will then spread out across the Atlantic and the Pacific, and when the wings flap, the water will come in and come back out, come in and go back out. And so, we may see some very large tsunamis that hit both coasts at one point or another, and we are not far away from that. You know, we are coming up upon that, whether anybody wants to tell us or not. Um, you know, you'll know very soon.

[01:20:08] Speaker 1: Yes.

[01:20:08] Speaker 2: Because it won't be able to be denied.

[01:20:10] Speaker 1: That's true. Um, well, Jim, I would like to go ahead and share just a little bit of information, and then maybe we can come back with a couple more questions afterwards, if that's okay.

[01:20:22] Speaker 2: Well, you don't have to. (laughs)

[01:20:23] Speaker 1: Yeah. (laughs)

[01:20:24] Speaker 2: You know? I mean...

[01:20:25] Speaker 1: That's fine. Okay. So, going within means recognizing our thoughts and emotions, that they have power, and create a reality that makes us believe that it's correct. Okay? So, going within can also create a spiritual change within us, and it can affect how our body and our brain functions. So, when we go within, we may find we're holding onto traumas we may have experienced in the past, and instead of dealing with them, we've stuffed them away to be dealt with later. Well, going within is about finding our true self. It's about knowing we possess a divine power, and this power allows us the ability to connect to our higher self, one that can align with the light of God and open doors to many opportunities.

[01:21:24] Speaker 1: So, we must hold the attitude, as we start working with clearing issues, it is to clear and transform them, and to realize, if we don't get to the core of the issue, we will just continue to repeat the problem, maybe not exactly as it originally happened, but one that has the same end result. So, once everything is cleared, it will allow our manifestation abilities to become more easier, because our inner power is restored to us. And when we start the process of going within, we have to reflect on the different difficulties we've lived in our life. To start with, it may be best to write them down, okay? And then review in your mind, "Why did I do these things?" or, "Why does this happen to me?" And then feel the feelings you have about these situations. And ask yourself if how you come to believe these things. You know, are they, are they true? Do they... You know, how did, how did this all develop and become about?

[01:22:39] Speaker 1: And then, throughout the day, be aware of your emotions and thoughts, and don't hold on to any judgment about them. Now, another way to help in this process is through meditation, to allow yourself to receive insights on these situations, because in meditation, your heart rate becomes slower, your breathing is deeper, a little calmness happens, and the body produces more serotonin and endorphins. And these can lower levels of stress hormones. Now, prayer is also important. Ask for forgiveness for anything you may have shame and anger about, and always remember to give praise and gratitude to God for all you do have in your life. Now, realize, if there is an area in your life you avoid or are afraid of or are inclined to want to ignore, the areas could be what hold you back from moving forward in life. So, once you have recognized the issues and then addressed them and are practicing maybe a new and better way to operate in life, it will allow the energy within you to flow more easily.

[01:24:00] Speaker 1: Then healing can take place, and this will attract to you more good in your life, rather than just drama. It'll allow you to feel like expressing more love, resulting in more joy and happiness in your life. And by applying these skills, it ensures more positive energies, and manifests as good and pleasant things to deal with. So, when we feel better, we are more apt to forgive others and to operate from a loving place. You begin to feel a sense of truth, you're capable of understanding situations better, and are less apt to judg- just to judge others so quickly. So, as we realize we are on a life journey, and if we can reach that higher consciousness level, then our life becomes more harmonious, successful, and it flows in synchronicity with our higher purpose.So when you reach this stage, you will never want to go back to the old ways. Energetically, when you expand beyond your five senses, you have better clarity and are more creative.

[01:25:20] Speaker 1: So by recognizing our intuitive abilities and trusting them, it can allow you to make better decisions in your life. It can also bring about better relationships with others. When we feel a lot of stress, it could be because our expectations of those things around us in life and our higher self has a disconnection, meaning that it's resulting in stress. So by doing these inner work and connecting with your higher purpose, you will know the truth about the things around you, and then your decision-making of rather you want to evolve yourself with them or not will be easier. Doing this inner work takes willpower and courage, allowing yourself to be open to view those uncomfortable areas of your life and engaging in self-reflection. You know, there are several ways to connect to your inner self. One way is through chanting and singing, because sound and vibration can open areas easier for you to access and explore. There's also going into nature can help open you to be more spiritual.

[01:26:42] Speaker 1: There is studying sacred geometries or texts or bibic- biblical information, and this helps open your inner self and gives you better spiritual understanding. Allowing yourself to do things that would invoke creativity, dancing, painting, artwork, and writing are good ways also. Most of all, it's about our connection with God, to see ourself as God sees us. In Genesis 1:27, it says, "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him. Male and female created he them." And remember in Galatians 5:16, "But I say, walk by the spirit and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh." And in Timothy 1:7, "For God gave us a spirit not of fear, but of power and love and self-control." You know, we have to understand also about sin. You know, there are really two types of sins. There's a sin of commission and there's a sin of omission.

[01:28:05] Speaker 1: In the sin of commission, things or transgressions that we do without thinking about them, the results show us it may not have been the best choice. But in sins of omission, this is that we're doing those things that are, that you already know are wrong, and these cannot be forgiven outright. One must view them that we might not repeat that same transgress- gression. So, it was said, sins of commission Jesus healed and forgave, and sins of omission he called to mind so that we could see them. There are so many things in life that we need to take a closer look and go within to understand some of the true meanings rather than just outwardly just indulging ourself in everything, you know? And, you know, nature has many signs to help us understand things, like the snow, you know, the whiteness of the snow.

[01:29:19] Speaker 1: It, you know, it is part of us remembering the light, the white light of the Christ that's within us, and to understand there's so many other signs and symbols around us that every day we have a choice of how we want to live our lives. The purpose of our lives is to become one with God again, to be able to walk a physical life in a physical body and yet not get hung up in all of the egotistical desires of the physical. But instead, to understand that we can enjoy all the pleasures of the physical, but we have to understand that our purpose for being here is of a spiritual purpose, and that when Jesus came and gave his life and forgived our sins, he opened up the door of opportunity for us to be able to walk this path with a little more grace and ease.

[01:30:26] Speaker 1: But as time went on, we have just indulged more into the physical again, which is, which is making it more difficult in this times of change of where we're evolving into a higher level of consciousness, because we have so much baggage of what we're hanging onto and we forget to turn to God and ask him to guide us and to forgive us for our sins, so we'll try not to repeat them. But when we do, we do turn to him, you'll find that your life becomes more in order. The chaos seems to begin to fade away a little bit.And the more that we can stay in alignment with the law and love of God, the more that we can be lifted into this higher state where much more pleasure and bliss of where we really want to be is. And so, going within is one of the most important things, because we need to loo- take a real close look at what emotional and mental baggage we're hanging onto.

[01:31:41] Speaker 1: Because as we raise to the higher vibrations, this will immediately be surfaced to have to be dealt with, if you haven't dealt with it already, which only complicates life and makes it much more difficult. So, if you can work on these things ahead of time, you won't be overwhelmed by the heaviness of what could result otherwise. Well, Jim, let's go back to a couple more questions that we still have here.

[01:32:15] Speaker 2: Okay.

[01:32:16] Speaker 1: Okay? Um, a question was asked to describe the action of the disciples after the arrest of Jesus. And, uh, and also with the female followers, also.

[01:32:28] Speaker 2: Well, you know, Jesus had many followers. He had the 12 disciples. Of course, Judas was one of them, and of course, Judas was nowhere to be found because he had taken 30 pieces of silver, and let's face it, 30 pieces of silver is not 30 coins. When it talks about pieces of silver, you're talking about chunks of silver. So, in today's money it would be worth, you know, lots of money and a whole lot more than just 30 coins of silver. And all of the disciples, including Peter, who said, "I will never forbid- for- you know, I will never deceive you or, or say that I don't know you or that, you know, I don't follow you." He said, "I love you." He said, "I will even to the death follow you." And Jesus turned and looked at him and he said, "Before the cock crows tonight, you will have denied me three times." And Peter didn't know what to say and then Jesus walked on.

[01:33:36] Speaker 2: When he went to this Garden of Gethsemane, you know, before they arrested him, he prayed to God and he asked that, "If the cup can be lifted from me, please do so, I, I beg of you." And it was said that he... that the tears or the drops of sweat that fell from his brow contained blood because that's how intensely he was praying. He knew what he was about to go through and we can only imagine. We hear the stories about the cro- crown of thorns, we hear about how he was whipped. What we don't hear is that when he was whipped, Jesus would laugh and that would only make them madder, and they would beat him harder. It's because Jesus knew that everything that he had walked, everything that he had done, everything that he had taken upon himself was about to be fulfilled and that the sins of the world would be able to be forgiven and mankind for the first time would be able to come before the Father, you know, and not die because he could be forgiven of those sins.

[01:34:52] Speaker 2: And so, you know, when Jesus was arrested... Well, the first thing Mark did is he was able to pull a sword and they were required to carry swords just as a, I think as a show, you know? Because if you're walking around with no swords, nobody's got a sword, well, you may have a few people that might take a shot at you. But if you got swords, you know, most people are gonna figure that all 12 of you are gonna take up for each other, so they're probably gonna leave you alone. And, and so they were required to carry one, but they weren't supposed to use it. But Mark pulled his sword and cut the ear completely off of the side of the head of one of the centurions that had come to arrest Jesus, and Jesus said, "No, put your swords away." And he reached down and he picked up the ear and he placed it back on the head of the centurion. Now, this guy had come to arrest him and, I mean, he put the ear back and placed it onto the man's head. I mean, Jesus is life.

[01:36:03] Speaker 2: He is the way which is true knowledge, you have to walk it and gain the wisdom. And when you apply that, you gain the understanding. And so, Jesus was the way, the truth, and the life and he was life itself. He was creation itself. So, I mean, putting that ear back on was to show the glory of God in his life, but he walked every piece of it the way his Father willed him to. You know, he once said to a group of people that were gonna throw him over a cliff, he walked back through them and he said, "It's not my time," you know, and, "You have no power over me unless my Father wills it anyway," and walked away. And how many of us would live our lives that way? But on the day of the crucifixion, not one of them could be found. They were hiding in an upper room, you know, afraid for their own lives. All except John. John-... was with Jesus's mother. And many of the other women were around too, and they were the ones that prepared the body for burial when it came time.

[01:37:24] Speaker 2: He was given the tomb of Nicodemus, um, who donated it to Jesus because, uh, I think he knew who Jesus was. And they had had become friends. But, you know, but who else was there? Jesus said to John, "J- John, this is your mother. Mother, this is your son." And what he was saying was, "Take care of her. I am giving you the authority and giving you, you know, the job of making sure that she is taken care of, you know, for the rest of her life." And John did. He was the only one, I believe, that was not crucified. The others were eventually crucified. Thomas, I don't find anywhere in the scriptures where it says Thomas ever came around to believing that Jesus was who he said he was. You know, he kind of believed, but, you know, there's that little hint in the back of your head. And that little hint is, you know, is Satan.

[01:38:27] Speaker 2: When we come into this life, believe it or not, the material realm, it is required as we take on a flesh body that it also contain in the mixture what is called a counterfeit, um, the counterfeit soul or the counterfeit, um, flesh or angel. You've seen those pictures of the little angel on the, on the shoulder that is whispering into the ear, "Go ahead, it's okay. It won't hurt anybody. It's, you know, nobody will even notice, right? You know, God won't hold it against you." You know, but do you listen to that little guy? There's also one on the other shoulder usually too and it's telling you the opposite. Which one do you listen to? Or do you listen to what's within that you know to be true? And that's the key. But the counterfeit spirit, Jacob had the counterfeit spirit within him, and it was said that he wrestled with the angel all night long for a blessing. And it wasn't until morning or daybreak that the blessing was given.

[01:39:36] Speaker 2: And what occurred was the counterfeit spirit was removed from the body, the whole body, and it was placed into the hip. And from that point forward, Jacob always had a, always had a-

[01:39:54] Speaker 4: A limp.

[01:39:55] Speaker 2: ... um, yeah, a limp, there you go, thanks, Sandy.

[01:39:57] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[01:39:58] Speaker 2: A limp that he had, and that was what that was from. The counterfeit spirit was stuck in his hip and really had no power over him anymore after that to be able to try and get him to do wrong. And that's what the counterfeit spirit does. It tries to get us to do things, you know, wrong or against God's will so that when we pass, it can be the first one that testifies against us before the throne. You know, "Oh, you'll never guess what he did." You know, and it's a shame, isn't it? But that's why Christ came, so that we would have an advocate, so that we could ask for forgiveness and it wouldn't matter what that little s- little booger had to say on your shoulder. And if we remember what we're really up against here, we're up against a lot. I mean, there are, according to, um, according to the Holy Trinity, there have been 10,000 new Satans put upon this Earth. And they can take any form, even someone you may know.

[01:41:07] Speaker 2: And so discernment becomes almost necessary because they can switch it you know, when you least expect it. And so that's why I said live your life within yourself. And it's necessary that we know it. Too many preachers from the beginning of time have taught that the Rapture's coming. The Rapture's only two places in the Bible I can find it. One of those is Thessalonians, and I've looked it up in every language I can think of, because you have to remember, in that land, you know, the Nazarenes spoke Aramaic, and others spoke Greek, others spoke Roman, others spoke, you know, the different languages of that whole mixture of groups of people. So sometimes things that were spoken were interpreted and then written down in Hebrew typically, but not always. But the Rapture in any language I can find means to forcibly remove. That does not sound like my Christ coming to lift me up into the heavens to be with Him.

[01:42:18] Speaker 2: So I've did a lot of research on this, and in Jesus' Sermon on the Mount, He gave the words, "And the meek shall inherit the Earth." Well, were they gonna be left behind in the Rapture so that, you know, they can inherit the Earth? I mean, gee, I mean, I'm not sure that I'd want to be me if that's the case. And so as I look at it, it doesn't really say, you know, that the, the best of the best of the best will be lifted up. What it says is two in a field, one will be taken, the other left. But it doesn't say which of the two. Is it the righteous one or is it the other one, you know, that maybe isn't living his life in such a godly manner? So which one is taken? I truly believe that it said that God is going, or Jesus is going to rule for a thousand years upon this planet.Well, how are you gonna do that if, you know, even if you rapture up all the righteous people, you leave all the bad ones, are those the ones Jesus are going to, is going to rule over? It doesn't make sense.

[01:43:34] Speaker 2: We have to think of some things in how they make sense, and wonder, you know, would somebody have written that up just to fool you and make you think that, "Oh, you don't have to do anything. God ... He's gonna lift you up"? But I perfectly think that when He comes the first time, it says He comes with the Archangel Michael. Well, if anybody's ever heard the Archangel Michael, you know, speak, it's a booming voice, and it's one that you don't want to displease (laughs) for any reason. I remember one time when Sandy and I were ... We were just overwhelmed with the work we were doing, and finally we called in the Archangel Michael and said, "Look, we're, we're just overwhelmed. We can't, we just can't continue th- th- at this pace to do it." And, I mean, the answer came back, "Much work has been ta- has been done to teach both of you everything you need, and all the gifts have been given to you that you need to complete this work, you know, for God.

[01:44:39] Speaker 2: And if you choose not to, that's your choice, but if more, if more instruction is needed, that can be arranged, but again, the choice is always yours." And then silence. And Sandy and I both looked at, looked at each other and at the same time we blurted out, "Never mind." (laughs) You know, because, I mean, that kind of a, of a, of a voice goes right through you. I mean, you know, you can tell that it is giving you, you know, the will of God in no uncertain terms. And, you know ... And so, if he's coming with the Archangel Michael and he's going to step down, you know, upon the Mount of Olives, let's face it, that's not ... Think- that's not Christian, it's not Jewish, you know, it's, it's other religions. And I believe that Go- or that Jesus is coming the first time to remove the worst of the worst, because we're at 60/40 right now.

[01:45:44] Speaker 2: There's no way we can turn that around at 60/40, you know, unless we can get everyone to just come to the fact that God is one, there's one God, and praise His name. And if we can do that, I think we can shift that percentage around. But otherwise, the only other way is for Jesus to remove from this planet all those kings and all of those presidents and all of those priests and all of those, you know, false prophets and all of those who, you know, who are here to try and keep you from making it into your rightful place as an heir to God's love and light, even as the prodigal son. And if they're removed, if you could remove all but 10% of them, oh, well, that would shift the balance, wouldn't it? I mean, and how could you not? I mean, love would spread so quickly across this planet that, you know, it would change the face of everything. And it was said that before Jesus can come to claim the kingship of this Earth, that every knee shall bow. Look around you.

[01:47:05] Speaker 2: How many of them are going to bow the knee? I don't care if you bring floods and famines. Uh, eh, they're gonna happen, and, you know, and some of the good are gonna get swept up with the, with the not-so-good, but that's just the way it is, and it was that way in the beginning of time, if you think about it. We are back to Noah again, and, you know, and so, God, I believe, is going to remove from this planet, one way or another, you know, those who have erred, those who h- refuse to do God's will, those who refuse to love each other, those who refuse to spread God's Word, to tell each other about God, to tell each other about the love of God in your life, you know? We have, we have been commissioned as Christians to do God's will, to love each other even as He has loved us, and to love Him with all our heart, all our mind, and all our body, you know? And yet, do we?

[01:48:13] Speaker 2: Is He the first thought when somebody ask us, "Would you like to do this?" Is the first thing that comes to mind, "What would God have me do?" And ask, you know, "Lead me, lead me, l- not my will, but Yours be done, oh Lord." And you may find that many things are different, but the things that you gain come easier. The things you deal with in life come easier. The things in life that you need come easier. You may not hit the million dollars, but you'll have all that you need, and what more could we ask than to have love that overflows from our hearts?

[01:49:00] Speaker 2: So-

[01:49:00] Speaker 1: Amen.

[01:49:02] Speaker 2: ... okay? So when you think of the rapture, you know, think of it as a removal first.

[01:49:08] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[01:49:08] Speaker 2: And then it'll be time for God.

[01:49:11] Speaker 1: And remember, may the God of hope fill you with joy and, and peace in believing so that by the power of the Holy Spirit you may be abound in hope. Romans 15:13.

[01:49:22] Speaker 2: Absolutely. And if you want to give us a call, 304-567-3354, or you can email us at angeltalkradio@aol.com.

[01:49:37] Speaker 1: We want to thank all of you for joining us, and we do hope that you will join us again in two weeks. God bless.

[01:49:44] Speaker 2: God bless.