[00:00] Speaker 1: Well, welcome everyone to Angel Talk. Today, our show is going to be on, the path to heaven is paved with the truth of one God. Through faith, perseverance, and our belief in God, the narrow path we must walk will lead us to that gate where Jesus will offer us salvation and eternal life. So join us for another exciting Angel Talk radio show, sponsored by the Living Light Center, A Church of Faith and Healing. I would like to share a little reading prophecy here for you. We are living in a time of fast change. Each one of us are being lifted in consciousness to recognize our difficulties we've had in life, so not to repeat them, but to acknowledge we must change our ways. Many will believe they can do this on their own, but if you include God in your changes, the outcome will always be better. We may think we know what's best, but we have a limited ability to see the full reality of life. For when one can humble themself and ask for help, God will hear your request.

[01:22] Speaker 1: Your outcome may not be what you expect, but it will be the best way to deal with the situation. Our sleep patterns are changing. You may have a hard time falling asleep, but when you do, you may find your dream state take you into viewing your past, maybe as a child or a teenager or young adult or a period more closer to the present day. You may look at the things you have done, some good, some that could have been better. This is not to judge you, but to prepare you so to understand better the decisions you made that could have hurt someone or yourself. You have the ability to say to yourself, "I have learned my mistakes and I will not repeat them again." And in changing your beliefs, so to align with God's will, you allow his love and light to fill your body and heal it. Your consciousness raises to a higher level. You begin to understand the purposes of the higher beings of light, that this energy bathes you and encourages you to help others reach the same feeling.

[02:50] Speaker 1: For there is but one God, and that God wants all of his children to turn to him so that they may know his love for them, so that he may offer you eternal life. It is our responsibility to realize we chose to come here this lifetime to learn, to take control of our self-centered ego and be of service to others, to share God's messages and help others understand them better, to trust, believe, and have faith he is our savior and will deliver us from salvation. For through him, all things are possible. For it is our misdirected belief that separate us from his healing energy. This can sometimes lead to physical health issues, for our body communicates to our soul through pain and problems when we are not in alignment with God's love and light. This is to help us understand, we have stepped off of our path, so we can correct this issue and allow the body to heal. Our body is a temple for God to reside in.

[04:09] Speaker 1: We have to appreciate it and treat it appropriately, for it can be pushed to extremes at times, but we must not abuse it. And through our conscious abilities of the body, soul, and God, all things are made possible. Now, we do not have to carry all of our heavy burdens by ourself. Ask God to help you. Ask for forgiveness and accept him as your savior. Remember, for God so loved the world, he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Some of the predictions I would like to share with you are that unusual anomalies will start happening. Things in the spirit plane will begin to be seen by many people. Weather conditions will continue to have extremes. Lots of rain and flooding will continue to happen with larger amounts of water. The north area will continue to see very cold weather well past its normal timeframe. Each season will be mixed with both extreme hot and then cold temperatures.

[05:29] Speaker 1: Fluctuations of energy is flowing through the Earth and is causing lots of disturbances to the plates. Do expect many earthquakes. Do expect lots of change because of this. This is also affecting people's memory. Your memory may be affected by this and it can have an effect on your heart also. Be aware.... the war-like activity will continue. It will affect everyone's emotions negatively, leading to greater issues around the world. Keep your focus on God and pray for peace. Blessings to you.

[06:22] Speaker 2: Wow. That was pretty intense, huh?

[06:25] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.

[06:27] Speaker 2: But yet, true.

[06:28] Speaker 1: Very true.

[06:29] Speaker 2: And we know it's so. I mean, we have started to see even things like, you know, um, flashes of light moving through the house at, at nighttime, um, outta nowhere. I mean, one right after the other, and that was kind of explained to us that it was the, what, the changes in, in the rhythms of the earth, or the fluctuations-

[06:53] Speaker 1: Yeah, the fluctuations.

[06:54] Speaker 2: ... yeah, fluctuations of energy in the earth, and it's causing a whole lot of undue stress upon the plates, and...

[07:01] Speaker 1: Stress in people too.

[07:03] Speaker 2: Right. And you know, this new trip that we took to the, the moon, I mean, you know, I typically don't say much of anything about that kinda stuff anymore. Used to, but, you know, I don't see it. You know, it doesn't make sense to me except that if you have $100,000 and you wanna siphon off the top of it, it's really hard, harder to do without somebody seeing it. But if you got 10, 10 million or a billion dollars invested in something, ah, all you gotta do is skim off a couple of million here and there. And I'm not saying that's what's happening, but, but why are we spending money to take a look at the moon? Because we wanna see if it's in-, you know, habitable. Really? I, I mean, it's, it's, it's hard enough sometimes to live on the earth. Although, you know, God created this for us. It's not a game. It's a, you know, I mean, it, it, it's gross.

[08:03] Speaker 2: And, and God created it for us, and the moon is there to give its light through the night, the lesser light, and it reflects it from the main light, which is the sun. They are one. However you look at it, they are one. And when you have oneness, well, you can have peace. You can have the tide to come in and to go out that, you know, keep the planet in a rhythmic condition. But, you know, for us to go there and send astronauts there and bringing them back and splash them down in the water like we did in 1960, what, 9?

[08:41] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[08:41] Speaker 2: You know, I don't remember because I grew up in West Virginia and the, the science book said that someday man will make it to the moon, and I think that was like in 1972.

[08:51] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[08:51] Speaker 2: You know, so, I mean, it just doesn't make sense to me. You have people starving. We know it because we deliver about 50 cases of food, you know, at least once a month, if not twice, to people who are in need, I mean, real need. And, you know, the SNAP benefits are 23 to 26 bucks. I mean, and if you've been to the grocery store lately, well, you, you know that how much that'll buy, you know, a Coke and a hotdog maybe. But it's just, it's, it's ridiculous how those we entrust with our votes... Take a look at what they're voting on. They don't think you'll notice, but all you have to do is ask for a record of all of those votes and you'll see what they're voting on. And is that what you voted them into office for? There has to be a oneness. And when greed, and money, and, and power, and influence become the directive or becomes, you know, the thing to shoot for, then, then there's going to be many who are left behind.

[10:06] Speaker 2: And we see people with terminal cancers and, and, you know, they are just, they are la- smiling from ear to ear and they're just as happy as they can be when we show up at the door with, with a case or two of food. And I mean, they're heavy. I mean, they're probably four, 40 or more pounds each and we deliver them because, you know, the government has some, you know, some areas where they, they'll gather food and people can come get it. But you know what? I was talking to a lady and she said, "We were in line to get it, but when we got to the window, the lady looked at us and said, 'Oh, you're too late. It's all gone.'" (laughs) You know? And I mean, and my aunt drives and she can get there, but there are a lot of people. They, they can't get out of their homes. They're be- a lot of them are bedridden. And, you know, if nothing else, they're just glad to see us.

[11:01] Speaker 2: And yet, when we give them the food, it's like, it's like it changes, you know, their day, I mean, from, you know, just another day to something good. And, and they know it. They know that the food that we bring has been blessed and it's got light in it and, and, and you can see the changes in them when we do.

[11:29] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. Yeah. It's true. I would like to share a sacred name for peace. You know, the world being at war, I would like to share this for everyone. It's Ose Shalom. Ose Shalom. And it is the creation of great peace. And we can use this divine energy to bring about peace on this planet. And I highly recommend that of the sacred names of God, that we use this. And, and maybe it will help draw more peace on this planet than what we have.

[12:06] Speaker 2: Too often we forget in the scriptures, it was said that where two or more are gathered-... there is our God and our Savior too. And if you have five, you know, or 10, or, or, ah, you know, your, the block you live on, or the church that you go to, or, you know, even a city, it can change hugely, you know, what is going on in the world. I mean, God will move, but until God moves, there is no change. There has to be the movement of God, you know, for that to occur because what is occurring is not what is, and God is what God is, today, yesterday, tomorrow even. But through the, the prayers and through the, the asking and through the praising of God's name, you know, we can move nations. We can move those people who were, were elected with a mandate for what they said they would do, and if they turn around and, and don't do it for money, well, I think that pretty much tells you, doesn't it?

[13:24] Speaker 2: You know, I was having a talk with, um, one of our former sheriffs and he told me, he said, "Jim," he goes, "When you, when you first run," he said, "you know, it's all about getting out there, talking with the voters, and convincing them that you are right, the right person for the job." He said, "But for the second term," he said, "money comes at you from every, every side." He goes, "And, you know, m- when I finish my second term as sheriff," he goes, "I won't run for office again here." He said, "You know, it's just, it's just so corrupt." And why is that? I mean, where's the money going? Where's it going? I mean, do you have to build a brand new school, or can you do with the school you got and just, you know, make it work? I mean, I can't buy a, a new house every four years, and, and, you know, because the other one needs some work and it's gonna cost, well, it's gonna cost, you know, a tenth of what it would cost to build a new one, so why not just build a new one?

[14:27] Speaker 2: I don't, you know, nobody sees it that way. That is, that is i- oneness with God and God's will is what matters. Every day, we should wake up, wake up in the morning, put our feet on the floor, and say a prayer or, or holy names of God and ask that your will through that whole day be pleased in God's will, and that He leads you where you need to go. And if opportunities may come, let them, let them show themselves upon the path and you will take advantage of them, you know, to the best of your abilities, and some may be those opportunities that would help bring prosperity. Others may bring, you know, opportunities to be able to talk to someone who just needs to hear that God still exists and that God's still aware of who they are, and that He loves them, you know, because so many, so many just are starting to feel like, well, God's abandoned them.

[15:40] Speaker 1: So true. Okay, now, for all that ever was and ever is to be learned is that the Lord thy God is one. You know, the story of the Old Testament is one of, like, evolution, spiritual, mental and physical, and the growth in attitude from self-centeredness to spiritual direction. So let's draw comparisons of man made perfect through an experience and man willfully being disobedient. First, we find man listening to those influences which were at variance to God's way. Then, in the temple, even at 12, we find Jesus, the perfect man, seeking and asking and answering as to man's relationship to God. One willfully seeking to know the relationship to the creator or the answer, know ye not that I must be about my Father's business. The life as Jesus completed the cycle and established the pattern for amen. The soul again was purified and spiritualized, yet by having passed through the earth and overcame it, He had control over all of His soul forces, thus the Savior.

[17:02] Speaker 1: So the Son of God, He must become that one who will be able to take the world, the earth back to that source from which it came. And all power is given in His keeping in the earth, that He has overcome self, death, hell, and the grave even. You know, became subservient unto Him through the conquering of self and that body. For as in the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, the Word was God. The same was in the beginning. The Word came and dwelled among men, the offspring of self in a material world, and the Word overcame the world, and hence, the world becomes then as the servant of that one who overcame the world. See, we ask why and where was there the need for there to be a resurrection? Why did He come into the earth to die even on the cross?It has been then the fulfillment of promise, the fulfillment of law, the fulfillment of man's estate.

[18:26] Speaker 1: Else, why did He put on flesh and come into the earth in the form of man but to be one with the Father, to show to men His divinity, man's relationship to the Maker, to show to man that indeed, the Father meant it when He said, "If you call, I will hear. Even though you be covered with sin, if you be washed in the blood of the Lamb, you may come back." Then, though He were the first of man, the first of the sons of God and Spirit, in flesh, it became necessary that He fulfill all those associations, those connections that were to wipe away in the experience of man that which separates him from his Maker.

[19:21] Speaker 1: You know, Timothy and 2:5 says, "For there is one God and one medi- mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus."

[19:35] Speaker 2: There's so much going on right now, and when it's been said that we are walking through-

[19:48] Speaker 1: Mmm.

[19:48] Speaker 2: ... you know, the times of Noah, or prior to Noah, it, it's absolutely true, because our universe is egg-shaped. It's not round, it's more egg-shaped. And so, where the alpha started, it goes down like a sound wave, and then it goes up to a point, and then it goes up and back the other way so that we are, we're just reversing what we walked below. And it is re-walking the patterns, the cycles, all of the things that we may have either missed something in or, or need to correct something within, or just so that we can show the mastery of, of having fixed it, healed it, you know, seeing the oneness, the necessary oneness that Jesus taught in everything. A- And everything He ever taught, everything He ever said, it contained. You know, something that could be so simple as just a few words will give you wealth, a, a wealth of information that can help you, you know, move upon this path, because it is a narrow path. And around you, things are changing quick.

[21:09] Speaker 2: And if you walk the path with your hand in Jesus, and, who is your God, and, and ask that your will be His will, not your own, He will lead you upon the path that was first created for you. Everything that was to be was created in the beginning, and we changed it. You know, one, one off the path here, one off the path there, one choice that wasn't within God's pattern of creation because maybe we thought better or maybe we rebelled. And rebellion seems to be around us a lot these days. And the key here is, is that it's not to be rebellious. It's not even to be, you know, militarily victorious every time. It is about getting along. It's about finding the common good in each. And I'll tell people I talk to of other religions, and, you know, there are some who, who have their, (clears throat) their own ideals about what that should be, what it should be like, you know, what it should look like. And I tell them all the time, you know, it's, I can't tell you what a religion is.

[22:32] Speaker 2: I can tell you what it's not. It's not hate, it's not, you know, gossiping, it's not, you know, harming other people, it's not taking from someone what's not yours so that you can have more, thinking that you have a right to it, um, killing, slaughtering. Eh, those things are not a religion. And a religion should be always bringing us together as one. When you sing a gospel song and everybody's singing, it's as close to that oneness as you can get. And we should be singing every day. It is God's law that we sing every day, because it brings harmony to the central nervous system of the brain. As those go through, um, the tops of the brain in the four sections, it harmonizes them. When you sing and you sing gospel songs or gospel music and, and praise God as much as you can, it's worth more than any prayer you'll ever make. Because when you go before the throne for prayer, God already knows what you need. God knows what you're coming before the throne for.

[23:48] Speaker 2: So, better to say, "I know you know why I'm here, so, you know, instead, let me just praise you for answering the prayer." And in doing so, we become more one, because we're not just showing or asking for our opinion or our desire. You know, we're saying to God, "You know what it is I need, you know, and I know that you will provide it." And praise be to God's name. And, you know, (speaks in Hebrew) .

[24:25] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.

[24:25] Speaker 2: There are-

[24:26] Speaker 1: Absolutely true. You know, and in this oneness, sometimes it's gonna take a little faith, you know?

[24:32] Speaker 2: A little?

[24:33] Speaker 1: Yeah. Look at Abraham trusted God's promise, leaving his homeland for the unknown future. Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt, believing in God's d- deliverance. David faced Goliath with his unwavering confidence in God's protection.

[24:49] Speaker 2: Well, and if you think about it, Moses, you and I were talking about this the other day, Moses never went into the Promised Land across the Jordan, um, with the two original individuals, um, who it was said of that, they were of a different spirit. But they went across the Jordan with all of the descendants of those who had started out on the, on the trek across the desert. And Moses went to the top of the mountain, and he said, "I have seen the Promised Land and it's good enough for me, and so I'm not going to be going with you." And there was sadness, but yet he knew he had to. Why? Because he knew that if he didn't, that for a very long time people would worship him for what he had done for them, getting them out of the hundreds of years of slavery and across that desert and in, back into the Holy Land, you know? And it was a fight mostly a- all along the way, and they weren't even trying to take anything from the people they passed by who started wars with them.

[26:00] Speaker 2: They were just trying to pass. And so can you imagine that, how hard it's going to be if you're just trying to pass by? And it's going to get to be that way because no one is going to trust anyone unless we can get this together. And how do we do that? Christ, our God and our Savior. Emmanuel was the name given in the Scriptures of Isaiah, but it's Yeshua which means Savior. And he is our God. He walked the walk, he talked the talk. He started from the very beginning and he walked every possible sorrow, every possible sin, every possible thing that could bring you down to your knees, he walked, and then was hung on that cross alone between two thieves. And I'm sure it's been said in some of the, you know, some of the writings, that Satan was at his feet, you know, laughing and calling him names and, and you know, swearing that, that, Satan swearing that he had won the battle. Little did he know that encased within the body of Jesus was the light from the very throne of the universe.

[27:22] Speaker 2: But to bring it in, you can't just, you know, cast it in. You have to be able and willing to walk it, to walk into that material realm and walk it from the beginning all the way up to your end. And what they didn't know, they couldn't see it, because you'll never see heaven from where you're at. Doesn't matter if you're on a third dimensional plane of existence or a sixth dimensional plane of existence, you'll never see heaven above you from where you're at.

[27:56] Speaker 2: So it takes faith-

[27:58] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[27:59] Speaker 2: ... to know it exists. And he walked it, and he walked every part of it, and then he was hung on that cross. And with, where were all of his disciples? Where were all those who swore they would love him to the end? Where were all those people that he, that he healed? Where were they? And where are we today? Are we that same people, you know? And are we willing to say there's nothing else that matters in this world except what God wants or needs of me, and I give my will to you, oh Lord. And in doing so, if this, if this whole... Even the United States, if the Christians in it would do just that, it would change this world for good, I mean, almost immediately. Because when things like that happen, God, because you have chosen, God moves and he can move and he can change anything he wishes to. He can change things back, he can change things to good, he can change things forward.

[29:12] Speaker 2: But the change has to come because his children have asked for it in oneness, and the more that ask for it, the better. How many go to church every Sunday? Do you ask, may our prayers and our praise be added to all of the churches that exist across this United States? And as they pray on this same day every week, may all of our prayers be added together as one, those who pray in earnest, those who pray in truth. May our prayers be added to that as it goes before the throne of God. What a difference it would make, because it's a oneness. All of a sudden you don't have a million different prayers, you have a million praises of God's name, and it will cause God to move.

[30:11] Speaker 1: Absolutely, it will. And you know, when we look at faith and we say, "For it is by grace you've been saved, through faith, and it's not from yourselves, it is the gift of God. Not by works, so that no one can bo-"... Etheans 2:8, you know. We have to, we have to believe, we have to have trust. We have to understand, you know, so many things in life without thinking that we are everything, and our ego has to take control, and that our way is the only way, because we do get into that mindset at times. And where does it get us? Usually, not very far. And, you know, we gotta have faith, you know. We talked about Abraham and Moses, you know, and David. What about Peter stepping out of the boat to walk on the water, trusting Jesus completely? Or how about the woman with the issues of the blood that reached out and touched, you know, the garment of Jesus, believing that he could heal her?

[31:20] Speaker 2: And Sandy, if, just real quick, if I could add something to that.

[31:23] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[31:24] Speaker 2: What she touched were the, the strings, you know, that hang down at the bottom of the garment, because in power that is within the body, if you're wearing something that has those loose strings hanging, the virtue will move into those strings, and that's all she had to touch.

[31:41] Speaker 1: Absolutely. And salvation comes through faith alone, not our own efforts, you know. Knowing that we are one with God and knowing that all things are possible as long as we keep our eyes focused on God, anything, anything we want, you know. There is opportunity there.

[32:05] Speaker 2: Yeah. How many of us, you know, start our day thinking that, "Well, that's not what I do today"? That means nothing in the theme or in the cosmos itself or in this Earth itself. Nothing I do of myself matters. You can build all the mansions you want, all the, you know, all the courthouses you want, you can build anything that you want, but it is what you want. Did you bother to go to God first and ask, "Should the monies that we have be spent on this?" Because I'm telling you, there are people starving. I've seen it with my own eyes. I've known it. I've heard their cries, and God has too. And I truly would not want to be on the other side of that. I mean, you know, in the one taking the money for personal purposes or for reasons that have no reason except to exalt one's own self in front of people, and that's going to fail. You know, it may have worked some in the past, you know, but that's coming to an end. I mean, our kids sit on a school bus for an hour and a half.

[33:21] Speaker 2: They're only allowed by law to be on the school bus for a half-hour, so what do they do? They transfer the kids at some point onto a different bus, and then it runs for a half-hour more, and then it's transferred again, and it runs for a half-hour more. And guess what? Then they can say, "Well, well, he was only on the bus for a half-hour." A half-hour and a half-hour and a half-hour is an hour and a half. And I don't care how you try and, and schmooze that up. God sees through it, and God is not, is not tricked. God is not mocked. And what could be harder on our children? I mean, come on. I mean, it just, it doesn't make sense, you know. We have our sports. And don't get me wrong, I played sports, you know, and, you know, lettered in sports and I... So did Sandy.

[34:12] Speaker 2: I mean, she's probably one of the only women I ever know who, you know, who did shot put in high school and javelin-

[34:18] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[34:18] Speaker 2: ... and, you know, discus, and I mean, just saying. She's got a strong, tight grip. And, you know, we all did sports, but the sports, were they for us or were they for school? Schools, well, they got, they got haughty every time that you'd win and you'd go all the distance, all the way to the state. And I can remember it, going to the state. When we went to the state in basketball, I mean, it was like the school did it, you know. The principal was like, you know, like the captain of the team all of a sudden. And it's like, wow. I mean, eh, whatever happened to, you know, oneness? Whatever happened to, "We're a team." You know? And I saw teams pray that they win the game, and I mean, really? How about praying that God's will be done? And, you know, if it's meant for you to be... to win, then allow you to have those necessary things that, that are already within you to be able to play a perfect game. But not to just win. "Please let me win over that team." Why?

[35:36] Speaker 2: "Because I like, you know, I like my team better," or you know, "We're a better team. We're a better school." I mean, and trust me, you know, that could've been said many times by the school I went to. It was little. I mean, we had 25 people in our graduating class, so it wasn't like you got cut from the basketball team.

[35:54] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[35:54] Speaker 2: (laughs) You know. I mean, I mean, there was barely enough players to qualify, and the band, 20% of the school was in the band. Well, I played in a band too, but there was 20 people.

[36:06] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[36:07] Speaker 2: I hear you back there laughing, Sandy.

[36:09] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[36:09] Speaker 2: So, you know, but yet, yet we could play. We could play. I mean, you'll go state and not be able to play as one. You know, even our, even our, our band, you know. "Well, they didn't invite us to the big parades. We just weren't big enough." And I don't know what that means, you weren't big enough for the big parade. I mean, 'cause they had, you know, 25, 30 bands. I mean, seems like me, you'd want a bunch of little bands, you know, because that'd get you through the parade a little quicker. But-But some of them, we weren't invited to, others we were. And, you know, I didn't have the most perfect tuba, which is what I played. But, boy, I could make it sing. And I'll never forget, I had won my, um, a position to go to the, to the state and national convention for tuba players. And, oh, the whole, just great big auditorium was filled with just nothing but tuba players. And the one that were leading it was a man named Sousa.

[37:09] Speaker 2: And it was his father who had invented, I believe, or grandfather, the sousaphone, which is a tuba that you'll see in parades, you know, the one that people carry on their shoulders and has the big front, and everybody wants to throw a sandwich in that, into the tuba or, you know, whatever they can. And, you know, I had won a chair. And I was in my chair, and I can remember him pointing way back to the back and him saying, "You back there, you stand up." And I said, "Me?" Kind of pointed at me. And he said, "Yes, you." So I stood up and he says, "Now I want everybody in this place to look back there, and I want you to look at that tuba, and I want you to know that's not how you treat a tuba." (laughs) I had never thought about it until then, but you know what? It had been painted gold, oh, I don't know, half a dozen times probably.

[38:05] Speaker 2: Painted now, so it wasn't a shiny metal, it was gold, you know, on a platinum level or on a matted level, and it had dents in it (laughs) all over the place, but I could make that tuba sing. And I really didn't know or wasn't, um, quite aware that, well, you know, no big deal, I mean, just, it's just been used and the school I went to could not afford a brand new tuba. But, but for him to say that shows the arrogance, you know. I mean, if he'd have just stopped and listened and heard what was coming out of the tuba, because I went to other, you know, places where there were, um, people competing with each other. And, I mean, I always come out of them towards the top, and with that old beat up tuba. But you know what? When I played that tuba, I and the tuba were one.

[39:04] Speaker 2: And, I mean, in, in small areas like when our, our band would play at our school, people would come up to me and they'd say, "I never really realized how much of a difference having the tuba in the band makes." (laughs) I tell you, yeah, I know, because we never had anybody would wanna pick that tuba back up. And I tell you, it, it, it was a little difficult for me after he had said that, because he had so much clout. And so I let him, you know, take a little piece of me away and ... But it didn't take long for me to put it back and realize that, well, you know, he was not a nice guy for saying that. And you know what? I mean, "Come on back here and show me how you can play it." Because like I said, I could make it sing, and that's the key. And I tried to do that in everything that I did as a kid. I mean, whether it was in nature, I could sit on a log and just listen, hear every leaf move, every branch, every bird, every animal.

[40:12] Speaker 2: And, and you don't get really much closer to God than in nature, because mankind is the only creation that is allowed to defy their, uh, the will of their god. Nature has to abide by God's will. If you're an apple, you can't become an orange. If it's a lemon, well, it can't become a, you know, a lime. It has to abide by that which God made it. Now, there's a lot of things changing. I've seen zebras and donkeys mix. Uh, what was it? A z- a zdonk? I don't know, something like that, and it only had half the stripes. And so they're messing around with genetics. And let me tell you, if you go back and you really read, you will find that this occurred before Noah's time, and it was one of the things that angered God or saddened him, I'll say it that way, in his heart. And it saddened God that he had made mankind, because, you know, when you say mankind, you're enlisting, you know, even the fallen ones, the fallen angels, those who decided to go their own way and do their own thing.

[41:32] Speaker 2: And before long, they were killing off parts of, uh, you know, food to eat, um, rather than taking the time to grow their own. Um, and, and using genetics, a way of changing genetics and mixes to be able to create what they wanted, and actually what they wanted were slaves. And, you know, and they created monstrosities, and there was only one way to remove them from the earth and that was through a shift in the plates of, of our earth. And it was a big shift, and it literally killed off, most off of the monstrosities that had been created, and, and God took away the ability of cross breeding. Now, now science has gotten back to its old self and it's decided, well, it can do it, they can do it again. But we, we figured out a new way around it, you know. We can change the genetic, we can change a genetic that is way, way, way, way far away and move it, you know, over here, and change what God has created.... you know, and for what reason? For more food? No. That's just not possible.

[42:53] Speaker 2: Why not just make the ones we have healthier and make each other healthier, you know? I mean, the medics and the, the pharmaceutical, I'm sorry to say, you know, but I'm going to say it, and that is that nine times out of ten, people tell me if they get on a new medication, that it makes them feel worse. And a lot of times, you can't see, you can't find the science for anything that's done. And what a shame, because there are holistic medicines and holistic things out there that are good for you. And I'll never forget watching TV at 3 o'clock in the morning, because that's when usually you'll find the real truth, and hearing the words say to me that, that barberry bushes were going to be considered, you know, an invasive species, and they were gonna try and kill them all off. And it was, it was the President that said it on, on a w- on a cam. I mean, he just turned right to the side, and said it right, right to the side cam, just like he was speaking right straight to you.

[44:02] Speaker 2: And he said, "Hear what I'm telling you. Get it while you can." And Sandy and I talked about it, and we knew, I understood right away, barberry contains berberine, and berberine has 16 different alkaloids within it, and they can kill viruses, funguses, molds. They can kill, um, um, you know, infections. I mean, all different kinds of... What do you know of that you can take that'll kill off a virus and a bacteria at the same time? Berberine will. 16 different alkaloids. And I told Sandy, I said, "You watch. Six months from now, there'll be a patent, and there'll be a medicine that comes out called Berberine." And sure enough, did it not happen, Sandy? That's exactly right, yeah. And we don't know what else is in it. That's the problem, you know. They mix this in, and that in, and this in, and that in, it becomes a proprietary, you know, formula, but berberine, 16 different alkaloids.

[45:06] Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know of any other n- any other thing in nature that can provide it all in one like that. And yet, it just, the root is where the best part is, is to take the bark off the root, and you have to maceratize it or, or slice it up into a way that it can produce the fluids from the root. Now, if, you know, if I were to do that, I would plant another one in its place, you know. And, and honestly, I've seen too many people helped and healed by it, and we are, we are having so many health problems with all the digging, and the tearing up, and the, and, and de- destroying parts of Mother Nature. We are releasing long past dead, thought dead, you know, viruses, too, bacterias. I mean, some of them we put in the sky, you know, and call them chem trails, and they only fall into the earth, into the f- the soils, into the water, and, and for what? For what? Well, they tried to find out. They got the Supreme Court to rule in their favor, and guess what?

[46:21] Speaker 2: It's a proprietary, you know, concoction, and we're not gonna tell you what's in it. And to this day, they have refused to tell you what they're throwing in there. But I'll never forget watching that guy in, in Pennsylvania turn his water on, and take a lighter, and, and light it up. It lit up just like a torch. So, you know, what are we doing? I mean, everything we should be doing is in one, and if it's harming someone, then that's not oneness. And if we stand back and allow it to happen, we are standing back and allowing someone to rebel against God right in front of us, and is that the purpose? Was the purpose for electing someone that they could do that? I mean, our, our government in this state is in a shambles, and it shouldn't be, but of course, you know, "Who's in charge?" "I am." "No, I am." "No, I am." "No, I am." You can't have too many chiefs and not enough Indians was the old saying.

[47:34] Speaker 2: Even when I was a kid, and that is no disrespect to the Native Americans, um, because they did a very good job eventually of creating almost a Constitution that fit into our Founding Fathers' meanings, and most of our Constitution is based upon the one by the Iroquois, the Six Nations of the Iroquois. And, and we think we know the history of this country. I hear people all the time, "Look here, I got this Constitution right here in my hand." I hear you, but you don't know that's what it was. You weren't there. And the thing about it is, is that right is right and wrong is wrong. It's not so difficult. It's two sides of the coin. And I'm not saying that, you know, that with both, the two opposites can create an energy that will do anything you need it to do. It will, and is used. Why do you think everything's two? Why do you think football teams are two, baseball teams, basketball teams? Why do you think that the elections are two?

[48:44] Speaker 2: I mean, because in that opposition or opposing forces, it creates a wave that can be tapped into and utilized for whatever those persons-... that knows how to grasp it wants to. And boy, my wife is going to have a tough time with me, I know, because, you know, (clears throat) she would rather I not go into some of these things, but when you see them, you want other people to see them, and you want other people to go to God, 'cause that's the only place. There is only one answer. If we think that we have the power to do anything, well, you have no idea what's out there. We're seeing people right now, and we were told by the Holy Trinity that this planet right now is 60/40...

[49:32] Speaker 2: Well, I think it became 59, um-

[49:37] Speaker 1: 41.

[49:38] Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. There's your, there's your numbers from my engineer wife. Um, so, and, and the p- the, the big number is, is the darkness, the dark side. And there's more and more of them being let into the planet all the time, and it's creating mass problems. Just alone this month, we had three individuals that needed healing, because they had been either attached or attacked or influenced on a constant basis to the point where they just were ready to give up. I mean, because the dark forces had found a little way in, a little hole, you know? Because evidently, if they had been following, you know, God's will the whole way, there was no way a dark force could, could even have a chance. And yet, their whole lives were disrupted. And, you know, and there is an angelic court.

[50:43] Speaker 2: If you don't know about it, it's been there for quite some time, because it was foreseen by some of the higher beings of light that the possibility existed that humankind might not make it through this, this 25,000-odd years in this cycle, and we are at the end of that cycle. And so, this court was set up so that people could take their ag- their grievances and the things that were happening to them by the dark side to this court, and the court would adjudicate it, oversee it, overlook it, and then if needed- if need be, place angelic beings over them to make sure that they follow the court's orders or other things could be done. And I have seen, in the last 25 years, this court go from, you know, giving them a chance, you know, and then maybe a second chance to no more chances. And so, literally, when these cases were taken before the court, the court ruled, and when the court ruled, it ruled that, "No way.

[51:56] Speaker 2: This is a violation of someone's free will." And at this time on the planet, to lose your free will, I mean, you're gonna be pulled and yanked in every dir- direction known to mankind. You're going to be pulled in the wrong direction easily, um, just by the influences, by, you know, trying to act upon your desires. But it can get worse than that. They can even occupy a piece of your soul, and when that happens, oh my goodness, I mean, how does one get rid of that? And so, take no chances. Do not take a chance, you know? Live for God, pray to God, and ask that that never happen or be a problem with you. Ask that your living, uh, that your sleeping spaces be clean and cleared before you lay down at night, and use the sacred name of Kadoish, Kadoish, Kadoish, Adonai Sabaoth. And nothing that is of a lower vibration can withstand that sacred name. And praise God's name before you go to sleep and ask that when you wake up, you be reminded to ask for your will to be one with God's will.

[53:17] Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely. I agree with you. You know, Jim, I wanna share a story with you.

[53:23] Speaker 2: Okay.

[53:23] Speaker 1: You know, I knew a person who their only desire in life was to make money and be rich, you know? And you look at life, yeah, when we first get started and, and, you know, with our education and our job, you know, we do have strong desires that we like to get a place to live in and, and a car and have nice belongings and, you know, be able to travel and do things, you know? And as long as we keep balance in our life, and as long as we focus on God while we're trying to achieve these things, most things will work out in our favor. But for this individual, she was more focused on, "Well, I'm just more about the money. I just want to make it to the top of the, of the, uh, job, you know, the management level where I'm at, and I just wanna be rich." So she worked like 60 hours or more a week and traveled whenever she needed to go, wherever it was, and to make more money, and never had time for her friends, you know? And she ignored her family.

[54:33] Speaker 1: And yet, she did make it to the highest level in, in her job. She was a manager, and she switched jobs several different times, and each time she went to a different, different company, yeah, she was, she would just keep climbing the totem pole, you know, to the highest levels, and very desired person because of it. You know, extremely intelligent, uh, but devoted 100% of her life.You know, to just work. Until one day when she got older and it was time to retire. Well, she'd made a lot of money. There was no doubt about it, and she decided that maybe that, "You know, I'm just gonna retire and I'm gonna just move out into the country, and I'm just gonna build myself a nice big house on the top of this big hill.

[55:26] Speaker 1: And I'll be above everybody else, and I'll just live there contented for the rest of my life." Well, as you can very well figure this one out, because of the fact that she never had time for any of her friends or her family, and because she was isolating herself with all of her money in a little plateau on top of this big hill, um, you know, she was pretty much so alone. Till one day, after she'd retired and she'd moved into this house, she began to realize that, "Wow, maybe I made a mistake. You know, maybe I should've, I should've thought this through. Maybe I should've decided to move someplace where I had friends around me, you know, join organizations that, and contribute in life to helping other people out." You know? But, but all the time all along, it was all about, it was all about me, me, me.

[56:27] Speaker 1: It was all about, "How can I be the best and the biggest and the m- you know, the most noticed that I could possibly be?" And, you know, it turned out that because of all this, her health went downhill very quickly. You know, she didn't have the clout that she had while she was working. She retired. You know, she didn't have the family around her that she could've had if she wanted it. She pushed away all of her friends, so there wasn't any friends around her. And so now, unfortunately, you know, the life that she lives is a fairly sad life, one of, of health that is poor, no friends, alone, but, you know, still has plenty of money, you know? And, but not willing to really share it with others. Pretty much there just to keep it for herself for a rainy day. You know, we have to look at this picture and say, every day is a choice in our life.

[57:34] Speaker 1: And if our real purpose of coming to this planet was to begin to know our oneness with God, to begin to help others and serve others and teach and preach and, and be able to lift other people's spirits and souls, you know, are we living that kind of a life? Or are we choosing the life where it's all about the money? "One day, I'll have it all, and then I won't have to worry again." But, you know, in the story I just told you, there's many more problems than what I had shared that's going on with this individual. And some of the words are, "If I had to do it over again, I wouldn't have made these choices." Well, a little late now to say that, but, but we have choice in the present day of what we choose to do. And yes, we all dream of, yeah, being financially successful, no doubt about it. But how are we living our lives? Are we living it in compliance with God's laws and love? Or are we living it for our o- own selfish ways? That's the big question.

[58:58] Speaker 1: And, you know, you still have time to make the right decisions. It's just, look at this story and realize, there are really two ways to live your life. Choose the one you think's best, the one that will lead you back home to God.

[59:15] Speaker 2: Or let God choose it for you.

[59:17] Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah.

[59:18] Speaker 2: And, you know, people think they have to give something up. I had a woman tell me one time, "I'd like to be a Christian, but you know what? Once in a while, I'll like a beer and a cigarette." And I said, "Do you really think that God sits up there just waiting for you to smoke a cigarette or have a beer, you know, so you can't be a Christian?" You know, God understands the human nature part of ourselves, and anything done in moderation, well, it- it's just part of human being human. And you may find that, as you go along, you have less and less a craving for those things. But it's, it should never be that which keeps you from God, because I can tell you this much. If anything, if you allow anything to come between you and God, and you confess to be a Christian, you know, "Oh, yeah, I was saved when I was 12," you know, and you confess to be a Christian, but yet something is allowed to come between you and God, God will remove it.

[01:00:21] Speaker 2: I don't care if it's a, you've earned a, you know, $10 million. God will remove it, and remove it quickly, because He will let nothing come between Him and you, nothing at all. So it will do you of no good to have made it, none whatsoever.

[01:00:42] Speaker 1: I-

[01:00:42] Speaker 2: So it's best to have what you need and use whatever you can to help others who are lesser than and in need of, and you will find a joy. I mean, don't think there's not a joy, and sometimes I, I, I feel a little guilty when we do something, and I don't wanna...... feel the joy because, you know, I want my reward when I get to heaven.

[01:01:11] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[01:01:11] Speaker 2: I've already been told, you know, a crown with, you know, with the stars in it. But, but, it makes, it do- it just does, and it's the love of God. And when it comes through you and it fills your heart, you can't help but express it outward. And when you do, God fills you with more. And when you express it out, God fills you with more. That is the law of God. And a couple of others that we were told, when you go into a supermarket and you see someone and they don't look the happiest or they're having illnesses or whatever, walk up to them and, and just ask, "Uh, do you, do you pray every day?" For your- 'cause you know that is the law of God. And you're not being haughty by asking it, because what will happen is, if they are Christian too, they will stop and they'll go, "Well, probably not every day, but I do pray." Oh, okay. But it's the law of God every day. And then you can just walk away if you want to or talk with them about anything.

[01:02:13] Speaker 2: But you have implanted within them the law of God, and they will start praying every day and they will begin to notice changes in what is bringing them down, whatever it may be, be whether it's medical or whether it's just, you know, I mean, feeling like life is letting you down. Because when God created this universe, in the beginning, he created everything at once. He, he created every life that would be on this planet, what they would do, what they would have, and everything was created to make that individual feel the happiest they could. It... Nothing else could make you feel better. Perfect day, perfect night, perfect everything, perfect place to live, enough food. And God created it that way, and it was us that took ourselves out of the original creation and decided that, well, maybe we could do it a little better, so we started building houses and we started sawing wood and, you know. But with each saw, uh, on that wood, is Christ there?

[01:03:27] Speaker 2: Are you asking Christ to be part of the wood you're sawing, to be part of th- the house you're building? 'Cause if you're not, it, it can't be perfect. It will eventually fall down and it will de- destruct. I mean, it's just, it's, it's God's law.

[01:03:42] Speaker 1: You know, Jim, also, in everything that you do, like if you're painting a wall, you know, your energies of what you're thinking and of your emotions at that point in time is, when you're painting, is going into the wall that you're painting. And if you're in a very uplifted mood, you know, you're going to find as you paint, the energies that go into the wall, into that paint, will hold and, and that upliftment energy with it.

[01:04:14] Speaker 2: And Cindy, if you remember, I proved that, you know-

[01:04:17] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[01:04:18] Speaker 2: ... I, I went and I looked at walls that had been painted by a crew that pretty much were drunken off their feet. I mean, they could barely stand up, but yet they got that wall painted. And I could examine the paint when it dried, and there were little symbols, you know, within it (clears throat) , which were not so positive. And when I looked at the wall that had been painted by someone who was, you know, very upbeat and very much, you know, made God a part of everything that he did, well, the paint, oh, it was so much better. I mean, same type of paint, same thickness, same everything, you know, same type of wall, except the symbols that were in it were symbols that were secret symbols that I recognized from, you know, the things I had learned. And I guarantee you, you know, 30 years from now, one will be almost gone, and the other one will still be standing strong.

[01:05:18] Speaker 1: And you know, the other thing, too, is that we should really consider that every so often, that we do things that could cleanse the areas of your home or your car, you know, or your workspace, uh, because there is... you know, energies are constantly moving and flowing, and things can settle into different places, or there could be emotional upsets within a home or a business or even a car or whatever.

[01:05:48] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[01:05:49] Speaker 1: And so these energies may linger, and when you walk into a room or into a house, you may not think about it, but if these energies are lingering, they influence how your mood will be. If they feel really good, ah, they help uplift you. But if they feel really heavy, then all of a sudden you feel kind of like, mm, irritated or, or anxious or agitated some way, you know? And so we have to remember that we have the power, through, through God, that we can bless this house, that we can cleanse this house with, with the pureness of light flowing through it, and do sacred things in the house that could... you know, maybe burn some incense, uh, with the, with the intention that it purify and cleanse the room. Uh, you know, or, or just do other things that... you know, people do a lot of cleaning and keep the, keep the walls and the things and the, you know, clean, wh- you know, their pictures and furniture and everything like that, to keep the energies nice and clear and pure.

[01:07:00] Speaker 1: These are all good things, but when we add God's energies into it, when we add the love of God into whatever that we're doing, it really changes the whole -

[01:07:11] Speaker 2: And that is by specifically asking...... because we expect that spirit on all levels of hierarchy, you know, will do things that are needed on this planet, and that's not how it works. It has to have someone to ground the energy or the light. And if there's no one willing, then guess what? That area will eventually become destructive or, or, you know, it will die off, because everything has to be restored by God's light on a regular basis.

[01:07:49] Speaker 2: So, like you were saying, even your house, you know, you ask that God be a part of helping you keep it clean or helping you keep it organized, or where things are, because we're changing in frequency on this planet so much, as you said in your original reading, Sandy-

[01:08:09] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[01:08:09] Speaker 2: ... that it's changing so much that you lay something down, and all you out there who have had this happen, you lay something down and then you go to get it, but it's not there. It's like, "I know I laid it there, but it's not there." And so you go looking everywhere. I mean, I've even gone so far as to look in the ice box, thinking, "Well, maybe I'm just starting to lose it." And, you know, it's not there. And I go back and I sit down and I just sit there for a, for just a... doesn't take long, several minutes, you know? And I just allow myself to be at peace, and you know what? All of a sudden, I go to get up and you know what? I look over and there it is, that, the item I've been looking for, right where I knew it's supposed to be. Because as we change and we raise our energies or our consciousness a little higher, well, you've heard you can't take it with you? Well, guess what? There, there is a very good example of what's that means.

[01:09:11] Speaker 2: It's that as you're raising consciousness, that item is no longer present. It is still back where you left it in the dimensional frequencies of whatever part of third dimension you were at at the time, and you must have done something that raised your consciousness up a little, and it took you above that frequency. And so, when you sat down and just allowed yourself to be, you are able to lower your energies a little bit, just enough for that to be materialized again. And believe it or not, I'm talking, that's science, but we have not had to experience it. You know, all we could do is hear them say, "Well, that's the theory." And you know, I hear that so much. I mean, the theory. Everything's theory. There is nothing in science, I don't believe, that is a fact. It's theory. And the problem with our scientists, they are unwilling to budge.

[01:10:08] Speaker 2: I remember, and I'm getting ready, you know, to, to put this book out, and it's called Scriptures of Stone, and it is artifacts of stone carvings, some of them 40 feet tall. And they are exact, I mean... And you can find them in Mexico, you can find them in, you know, the, the South American, Central American, you know, ancient temples, um, or Egyptian, or wherever, because the records are one. And so, what's there should be here. And, and I have spent, you know, 35 years, you know, mapping them and photographing them and detailing them, and so they're getting ready to come out in a book. And they don't take away anything from creation. As a matter of fact, they just show that God has never given up on us.

[01:10:59] Speaker 1: That's right.

[01:11:01] Speaker 2: And, and that is worth what? It's worth its weight in gold, and if you're a Christian, it's no longer enough to say, "Well, when I was 12, I was, you know, baptized." No, you were probably, you know, a little bit of water was sprinkled on your head, and that is actually, you know, giving the child to God, you know, to raise, to help you raise. I mean, it's a dedication. Uh, a real baptism is much different, and it will take away those things that dog you day and night, 'cause they have to be gotten rid of one way or another. You can do it through extreme laughter. And I know when, years ago, 25 years ago when we first got together, Sandy, we had stacks of, of comedies, didn't we? Oh, yeah. You know, because you could watch one and you could just laugh as hard as you could, and you felt better because it released, you know, some of those energies that weren't so pure or weren't so helpful.

[01:12:05] Speaker 2: And when you walk through the things that Sandy and I have walked through, and trust me, if I were to tell you, you'd never believe it, but we have walked through them. I mean, and with the, you know, the Holy Trinity coming to us and saying, you know, "We are, we wish to, to thank you and, and to tell you that we really didn't think that anybody could have walked through that th- in this lifetime." Okay?

[01:12:35] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[01:12:35] Speaker 2: And they said, then they would add, "And you really only had a 7% chance of, of surviving it." And I said, "Well, you didn't need to tell us that ahead of time." (laughs) It would have made a difference, maybe, but I don't think so, because whatever God's asked of us, we've done.

[01:12:50] Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah. You know, I wanna share another, uh, sacred name of God, and this one's very familiar to most, and that is Eli, Eli, My God, My God. As Jesus cried out from the cross, described in Matthew 27:46 and in Mark 15:34, so also we cry out, "May my anointed body of light be before thee."You know, these words strengthen us in the deliverance of our physical world, that we may understand the higher consciousness of light.

[01:13:30] Speaker 2: And all of those sacred names are within each of us. It's just that too often, they never get activated. They never get, you know, rel- you know, relied upon. So praise God's name, and to know that within us is an activation that brings us closer into that alignment with those forces that are helpful, and that can, can bring life, and bring it more abundantly.

[01:14:02] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. And these words are also connected to Elisha's vehicle of ascension. So, yes, they're very sacred, special, special names. Um, the other one that I very much so enjoy is El El Elyon, you know, the most high God be with us. You know, this is a, a title of the godhead, you know, which kind of initiates the activity of the orders of Melchizedek. Uh, you know, it connects us to the sons of God, and the higher lords of light. And it's a very powerful, uh, you know, one sacred name of God to use, you know, giving honor and praise, El El Elyon.

[01:14:53] Speaker 2: Those are, those are powerful, and if they're used correctly ... Never use them if you're angry, or to project towards someone, you know, that you wanna harm, or, or you, who has done you harm. You know, these names have power to change us from within, and to protect us from without.

[01:15:16] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. You know, we have to remember, too, you know, words, the words that come out of our mouth, you know, when we use them in sacred ways or we use the sacred names, we're, we're calling firelight language down from the heavens, to be able to be activated here in this third dimensional word, world that we live in. You know, we have to be really aware of what comes out of our mouth. A lot of times, you know, we'll be doing things in our home or in our job, and something goes wrong, and we end up, you know, swearing or cursing. And, you know, we don't understand completely that when we start doing this, that it has such a disruptive pattern to the energy flow, that it breaks up the, the congruent energy, the flow of all things, and it scatters it. And when it does, it can take hours, maybe even days, to take and reassemble that energy back into a nice flowing, uh, even, harmonious state.

[01:16:30] Speaker 2: You know, we used to always see the snowflakes, and how each snowflake was different, but they all had, you know, a pattern to them that I think we called the Fibonacci sequence, right?

[01:16:42] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[01:16:42] Speaker 2: And th- they're never smooth. They have, you know, little pieces that stick out. And, and so it captures viruses, s- snow does. It captures viruses, bacterias that are in the, that are in the air, and then it takes them to the ground, and they're either absorbed by the ground or washed away in the rivers and the streams. And there is really a science to it. But there's also one to, to us. When we drink a bottle of water, we pick it up, you know, we're thirsty. We open it up and we take a drink. But what is our attitude at that point? Are we mad at somebody? Are we angry at somebody? Are we worried that we're not gonna get something done in the timeframe we have, or we're paying somebody for helping us, and they're really not doing, uh, the job right? I mean, whatever the, the mindset is at the moment you take that drink of water, if that is the mindset, then what you're drinking is mud. It has no points. It has no, you know, no spiral to it.

[01:17:44] Speaker 2: It has no shine, no light in it, and it literally, it looks like mud. If you go to Dr. Emoto, is his site, and he talks about the water, and he took, I mean, under electron microscopes, he showed that the same water molecule, when love was said around it, even spoken, just love, or, you know, or different words that were so positive and loving, you know, that it was like a snowflake laying on this, on the, the, the electron scope, microscope. But if you said, you know, curse words, or you were angry or you were yelling or you were calling somebody names, or, you know, whatever lower state your mind was in, or you were doing, that it caused the water to break down into what looked like mud. And when that goes through your body, it has no way of attaching itself to any of the organs, you know, any of the blood systems, any of the nerve systems. It, it's, it's just flat. It's, it, it can't get in.

[01:18:54] Speaker 2: So when it looks like a snowflake, it has little hooks, those little pieces that stick out, those are like the little hooks. And it'll hook onto an organ or to a part of your sys- your blood system or a part of your body, period. And that's how it gets into those areas and refreshes them and rejuvenates them.

[01:19:15] Speaker 1: It adds life force into it. It becomes living water. It-It, you know, it can, it can flow in through the, the cell walls. It, whenever you drink some waters, do you ever notice how you feel like you drink it and your mouth's still dry? You know, it's like, I don't know, I could drink a gallon of this water and it's, it wouldn't quench my thirst. But yet, if you drink water that is purified, that, that it is structured, then when you drink it, it's like it just enters into the cell walls and, and it, and it like nourishes you. It makes you feel like, "Oh, man, that was so good. I, I could drink, you know, tons of this water. It just makes me feel so good and it, and it takes away my thirst." That's the difference.

[01:20:07] Speaker 2: And we've had people say that.

[01:20:09] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[01:20:10] Speaker 2: That very thing, "Oh, you gotta go up to Jim and Sandy's place. I mean, they've got some water up there that is just, I mean, it's the best water you've ever had."

[01:20:19] Speaker 1: Right. And what I have noticed is that you could take just a regular bottle of water and you can just pray over it, and water takes the energy of whatever you're projecting and it conforms to that. Uh, we had a, we had a really interesting story. Whenever we were on our honeymoon, we were in Egypt. We were on the Nile. And we decided that we were gonna do a little experiment, and so we started, I started projecting, you know.

[01:20:52] Speaker 2: Now, remember, the boat was, was anchored-

[01:20:55] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[01:20:55] Speaker 2: ... you know, into the shore, because the water was so trepid that they weren't comfortable in taking the boat out that day.

[01:21:03] Speaker 1: Right. And so I started projecting healing energy into the water, and within no time at all, within a minute or so, a small area became very normal. It didn't-

[01:21:17] Speaker 2: Calm.

[01:21:17] Speaker 1: It was, it was very calm, yes. Uh, and as I continued doing it, it kept spreading out. Like it got, the circle got larger and larger and larger and larger and larger. And, and so we took, we snapped a few pictures of the water as we were doing this, and we realized when we looked at the pictures later that there was a face in the water. And it was a very happy, it was a very happy face in the water. But outside of the circle of where the energies had gone, the water was very troubled, you know? But right there, there was totally calm with a face in the middle of it. So, it's alive. You know, when we add love, when we add God's energies into everything, you know, it reflects itself back to us. It shows us that the more love we give away, you know, the more God gives us that love back so that we can share it more and more and more.

[01:22:17] Speaker 2: True. You know, no two blades of grass have the same frequency. No two anything have the same frequency on this planet. And isn't that amazing when you think of the magnificence of God? And yet, those two blades of grass get along just fine, you know? They are one. You could hardly tell one from the other, and yet they have just a slightly different frequency that makes them individual.

[01:22:44] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[01:22:44] Speaker 2: And we started doing it with like praying mantises when we would see them on the property, 'cause we used to have a lot of them on here. And we would look at the praying mantis and we would say the words, "I see in you the glory of my creator and I am blessed because of it." And almost instantly, you could see a change in the energy structure of the insect. And I mean, before long, it was flying up and sitting on your shoulder. He couldn't get close enough to you. And, you know, and I started doing that with everything, every blade of grass, you know. When I'd see a certain bush that was beautiful and I would make sure I acknowledged that it had done and performed what God had created it to do. And it may go a lifetimes after lifetimes after lifetimes just waiting for someone, you know, a mini God, to acknowledge that it has actually done what God created it to do, and it will see it back in you. And it's amazing, it's just amazing, Nicole, I can tell you.

[01:23:55] Speaker 1: It's true. You know, there was a case where I was teaching a student and I wanted to show the student how the life force of flowers, particularly roses, you know, is so alive that God's energy is in it. In all things that's living, God's energy is in it. And when you recognize it and you acknowledge it, it wants to show you that it heard you, it understood you. And so I took the student out to this rose and I showed it, I said, "Look at the rose." I said, "You know, smell the, the, the air." And you could tell, there was a, I mean, we were, we were standing up so we weren't actually had our noses right on the rose. You know, maybe it could have maybe a little bit of an essence of the rose, but not a whole lot. And then I said, you know, the same thing, you know, "I see the glory of God in you." And, you know, and I asked the rose that it could share its essence with us. And at that time, the rose let off like this puff of essence, and it was like so fragrant.

[01:25:07] Speaker 1: And the student that was with me was like, "Oh, my goodness. I can smell that so strongly." And it's like, yes, everything's alive, and if we can see the glory of God in these things-It's willing to share what it has with us. It's whenever we ignore things or mistreat things that we lose the benefits of what's possible.

[01:25:34] Speaker 2: And now, as a man, you know, I certainly, you know, do, you know, smell the roses too. Um, and, and flowers. I mean, look how many flowers we have planted on our property.

[01:25:47] Speaker 1: Right.

[01:25:48] Speaker 2: And, and fruit trees. And I mean, it's not a big property, but it's got something planted on just about every square foot known to mankind. And, you know, the whole thing is, you know, I'll never forget the time that I saw the two, um, praying mantises. And one was real big, and I knew that was the, the female, sittin' on top of the fence. And here come this other one, and it was about half the size of the other. I- it couldn't have been more than about, I don't know, maybe three inches long. But the, the one that it was headed towards had to have been six inches. And I mean, I thought, "What, what are you gonna do?" You know, to the, as you get closer to that other praying mantis. So I'm watching it, and all of a sudden, he gets up there real close and she, she's turning her head to look at him, and he gets a little closer and she turns her head to look at him. And the next thing you know, they're mating.

[01:26:41] Speaker 2: And I thought, "Oh my golly, this is phenomenal." Because, you know, not because they're mating, but because there is so much that goes into the mating of a praying mantis. When a praying mantis is mating, she wants to make sure that the deed gets done. And that means that there are two brains to a praying mantis, one in its head and one in its abdomen. And so, if the, if the head in, you know, at the top starts thinking too much, she figures, "Well, you know, we gotta get rid of this problem." And so, she will just turn around and bite the head off. And the, the brain in the belly keeps on goin'. And so, the, the, the male praying mantis will continue to, to mate with the female, you know, until it just drops away. And of course, it's not gonna be able to eat anything, so it's going to die. And I thought, "There's gotta be a better way. There just, uh, has to be a better way." Through God, of course. You know, because I am nothing of myself.

[01:27:43] Speaker 2: And so, I'm standing there watching all this, and I actually had my camera with me, 'cause I usually do. And so, I'm taking photographs at the same time and I'm talking to both of them. And the male was just, I mean, going to town. She is, you know, every once in a while, turning her head back to look at him. And I said, "Ah, ah, ah, uh-uh." You know? "Why would you bite his head off? Because he's doing pretty good." And you know, it's a thing on this planet, I think, between males and females, probably got started between praying mantises, where she'll bite your head off, you know. And so, I kept talking to him, and every once in a while, she, she'd turn around and I mean, like, you know, and she'd look at him like, you know, "Oh, man. I should just bite that head off." You know? "Because then I don't have to worry about, you know, getting tired, or you thinking too much, or," you know, or, "You worrying about it." You know?

[01:28:33] Speaker 2: And I'd look at her right in the eye and I'd say, "Uh-uh." I said, "He's doing a pretty good job, as far as I'm concerned." And I stood there for two hours. Two hours, and he never stopped. Not the whole time. But every once in a while, she'd look back at him and I'd say, "Uh-uh. Uh, it's, it's been an hour and a half. You can't complain with an hour and a half. I mean, the boy is trying." And when the two hours, it came up to the two hours, you know, she looks back at him and I said, "Uh, come on. Two hours?" You know, I mean, most relationships, you know, would give anything for a two-hour romp, you know, together, in intimacy. And so, I asked God to please change the, within the minds of those two insects, that it wasn't necessary any longer to bite off the head. That if he can go for two hours, trust me, you know, he has given her plenty to work with, you know, when it comes to having babies.

[01:29:36] Speaker 2: And I've seen the babies, you know, after a winter of hiding in a wood pile, come rushing out, and they're white, all white, and they're small, but they are running like crazy and there are hundreds of them. So, you know, and that's why the female is so much larger. But for such a little guy, he was on me. He was givin' it all he had. And I asked God if God could just change that in the minds of the two, and maybe that could spread out to other, you know, praying mantises, so that they didn't see the need to have to bite the head off of one just to be able to procreate. And I don't know if that occurred. All I do know is I have faith because that one, when it was done, it just started backing up as fast as it could go. I mean, on that piece, on the top of that fence. And she looked around at it and she didn't, didn't try to stop it, she let him be, and he backed up as far as he could and then flew away. And I thought, "You go, boy." And I thought, "See?

[01:30:41] Speaker 2: There are things that we can see as patterns within our own living area, or space, or our properties, that we can see that at one time, it may have been necessary." But, you know, but I don't think things like that are anymore. And they take on, when humans see it, you know, a little piece of it maybe that, you know, "Hey." You see, that's why, you know, my wife bites my head off once in a while. But, but that, I knew that day it changed in those two. And I hope that it spreads among others, that it's just not necessary, that some things aren't anymore, though they may have been at one time. And you'll still hear people say, "Well, you know, that's just the way it's always been." And I, I just... I hear that and I can't help but say, "You really don't know that, do you?" You don't know, 'cause you're going all the way back, I mean, your great, great, great, great grandfather. And, you know, he said something, and you don't know if it's even the same thing.

[01:31:43] Speaker 2: He could have said it differently. But it comes down to the next, to the next, to the next, to the next, to the next generation, to the next generation. And nobody knows if what you're saying is actually what he said. And nobody even knows if what he said was right. I mean, think about it a hundred years ago. I mean, what he said may have certainly been applicable for the times, but it doesn't mean it's applicable today. And today, gosh, it's still applicable in everything you do. And so why not, instead, say, "Well, it's just the way God wants it to be," and walk in his love, walk in his light, walk, walk with each other, you know? Somebody that you haven't spoken to in a while that, hmm, they might even live on the same block as you, but take the time to speak to them, to say hello, to maybe knock on their door and, and offer them a, I don't know, a cherry pie or, you know, or just something. I mean, what does it hurt and how much good can it do? And they may be shocked.

[01:32:57] Speaker 1: That's absolutely correct. When you go out of your way to help others and they don't expect it, yeah, that's when it means the most. You know, we have to ask, what, what gives us happiness? You know, what are some of the main things that gives us happiness, and how is it that sometimes we can meet someone and we can talk to them for maybe five, 10 minutes and they could make such an impact on us that we remember them for the rest of our lives? And there could be others that we would've known for years, and as time passes, you can't even remember their name. Well, you know, a lot of it has to do is whenever someone or something touches your soul, it, it sets an, an imprint there, that it's like, you know, it's part of God's energies that blesses you. And it's like you don't forget it, because it's so powerful. You just don't forget it.

[01:34:00] Speaker 2: And you know, Sandy, I think I even mentioned to you, but when I was about 10 years old, I read one of the most influential books at the time that I'd ever read, and it was called How to Win Friends and Influence People.

[01:34:15] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[01:34:15] Speaker 2: And it was a, I guess you'd call it a self-help type of book, which were out in those days, but it was certainly more than that. It gave you a way of connecting with other people that most people didn't, didn't even think about. And what is important to most people? Themselves, what they're about, you know? Seldom does anybody say, "Well, you know, I mean, have you been doing this all your life? I mean, you seem really good at it. I mean..." And you will find that they will start talking about themselves and what they've done and, and where they got skills, and maybe it was handed down through the family. And, you know, people want to be acknowledged. And if you give them the chance to tell you who they are, then it'll give you a chance to tell them who God is. Even if they are saved, you know, a little piece of what you know and the pieces that they know can make a huge difference when you add them together. And God will bless you for that.

[01:35:25] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. And when God blesses you, you feel that love all through you. Do you notice when, when you're in a good mood and you feel upbeat and loving and all, and you go outside into nature, do you ever notice how nature seems to just know this wonderful energy that you have? It's like the, the birds don't fly away when you get a little bit close to them, you know? The rabbits-

[01:35:52] Speaker 2: They're always feeding the squirrels.

[01:35:53] Speaker 1: ... or squirrels or are, are kind of hovering around close by. You know, a lot of the wildlife, you know, it, it directly responds to whatever kind of energies that you're projecting to it. And if there, if you have fear, it feels it. It definitely feels it. Do you ever think about you see this ugly bug that you don't want around or something, and you think, "Ugh, I've gotta get rid of this bug." And all of a sudden, you know, it, it knows what you're going to do. It tries to escape. Well, nature just knows, and the animals feel things, probably even more than we do.

[01:36:30] Speaker 2: And I think they can sense what you're trying to say, especially if you think of it in a pattern. Like, you see yourself going over and picking up the bug and doing whatever you do to it. Well, all of a sudden, you know, instinct of survival sets in, and it'll take off running as fast as it can. But the whole idea is change it. Pick it up very carefully, put it in something and take it outside and let it, let it loose. And, you know, there'll come a time when the insect and its type, you know, of insect that it is, they will start to recognize you and your property. And if they typically would harm your produce, you will find that they no longer do, because all of a sudden, they have, they have come to terms that this must be a sacred place. And if your land is sacred, well, we've had rabbits sit right beside our flowers and never eat one at all, huh?

[01:37:31] Speaker 1: Absolutely.

[01:37:32] Speaker 2: And deer, too. Right beside of 'em, and never eat one, because we asked that the flowers-... give off an essence of sacredness because the land is sacred, um, and that it give the, the plants give off an essence of sacredness so that, you know, the rabbits won't eat them, unless, of course, they're starving. But, you know, because instinct is, you know, to survive. But, otherwise, I mean, a whole flower garden and the rabbit would never touch one of them.

[01:38:05] Speaker 1: And it's, and even more than that, we had, we had this 55-foot diameter, uh, flower bed, and we had four pathways going in and add to it, and in the center of it is a huge pine tree. And at one point, we had some pretty heavy winds, and this pine tree is large, it's very large, you know, and it, it had lots of pine cones on it and everything. And when the winds hit it, it broke a branch, um, fairly decent-sized branch. And would you believe that when that branch fell, it fell on the pathway only? It did not actually damage any of the flowers in that, in that sacred energy field. None at all. But we were both a bit amazed that the branch could fall from that high and, and land where all the gravel was and not actually damage any of the flowers. I think nature knows when you're doing something sacred, you know? It responds in a sacred way.

[01:39:16] Speaker 2: And there is an angel of nature, let me just say that. And when we first, you know, took up planting here on this two-acre property, I mean, the angel of nature would come to us and offer opinions. Never tell us what to do, but offer opinions. And it just so happened that when we followed her opinions, they seemed to work really well. But, you know, 'cause there were some things we didn't know, though we're both master gardeners with the State of West Virginia, you know. We didn't know, like this flower and that flower, they do not grow well together. If you put them side by side, one of them will most likely decline. But other flowers, you can put them together and they thrive next to each other, and it's amazing. And I'll never forget, you know, I wanted red, you know, to face the north.

[01:40:07] Speaker 2: And so I bought bulbs of these beautiful red flowers and I, you know, dug the holes up and everything, and the angel of nature said, "That's not the color that should be, you know, seen from that direction." I said, "But I, I love it. I mean, those are beautiful. I mean, you know, can't there be an exception made?" "Choice is always yours." (laughs) You know, I hear that a lot. And so, I, I went ahead and, and planted the bulbs. And the next morning, w- seeing as I both went out just to check on the garden and see how it was doing, and there were 24 holes.

[01:40:44] Speaker 1: Chipmunks decided they'd pull them up.

[01:40:46] Speaker 2: Oh, they had a feast, every one of them. And you could just see 24 holes right in a row where they'd pulled them right up out of the hole. I mean, and they were bulbs, but I mean... And all 24 of them. I thought, "Okay, okay, I get it." You know, no more, you know, what I want. I mean, if it's not supposed to be that way, I guess, who am I to, you know, tell nature something else? And, you know, and it was a learning experience, there's no doubt, you know. I mean, and then I had to go buy 24 more bulbs of a different color.

[01:41:22] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[01:41:23] Speaker 1: Well, we have grown and learned a lot, you know, communicating with nature, communicating with God, you know, understanding the harmony of everything and the importance of beauty. Beauty plays such a role in our lives, and yet, do we focus on it other than maybe dressing nicely or trying to put on makeup for a lady or, you know, things like that? Is that all we look at beauty or do we create beauty all around us in everything that we do?

[01:41:57] Speaker 2: And you know, Cindy, there is a problem with insects, and I don't mean one a bad insect. I think that there will come a time when we may see an overwhelming amount of insects that are harmful in some way or another. But, I mean, it's getting such that it's hard to find the bees anymore. Last year, the honey, or the honeybees were out in the fall, late fall. They were everywhere on our bushes with little flowers on them and stuff. But in the fall, that's not nature's rhythm. And so, something is off and different on the planet when that begins to happen. We need to make a space so that I don't care what's running through the earth, it goes around the property that you have set aside as sacred and you ask God to come and walk your property and to bless it as sacred. And that's when you'll see, oh my goodness, the changes that can occur. I mean, storms will go around you, I mean, and not do damage, and they'll do damage elsewhere.

[01:43:04] Speaker 2: I mean, and we've got some large trees on this property, and we had one fall one time, but it wasn't on our property. It fell from the other guy's property onto ours. And, of course, we had to cut it up, but, you know. But nature... And it didn't damage anything when it did. You know, nature will work with you. I mean, it's just amazing. Nature wants to be seen as being part of the creative forces of God and that God's in it. And remember, have you heard or had your, heard people say, "Well, you see that dead log over there? God's in that, too. I mean, God's in everything." And I said, "No, God's not in everything."I've said God is the god of the living, not the god of the dead. And so if it's a dead tree, it's okay to chop it up and use it in your fireplace. But, and, but you can bless it for nature having grown it and, and it falling or whatever and, and being able to be used for keeping you warm in the winter. It's...

[01:44:10] Speaker 1: Yeah. It's true. Yeah. And you know, we have to remember that our human efforts are not good enough for us just to reach heaven on our own. You know, we have to have faith. We have to believe in God. We have to, to show that we have earned the respect of God, so that God will lift us up, and then we know that, that we will be saved. We have to realize that every choice that we make in life is going to lead us on some kind of a path, and what kind of a path are you choosing? Are you just, mm, livin' like haphazardly, like, "Oh, I don't care, I'll just do this or that?" Or are you consciously making decisions knowing that it's gonna take you in the right direction? You know, if you want to grow to heaven, then you have to be conscious. Higher consciousness is taking the consciousness that you have at the present day and working on it to move it to a higher level of consciousness.

[01:45:23] Speaker 2: And when you do, it reaches back, but it's not the other way around. It doesn't reach to us first and then we go reaching up. The idea is you reach up and you ask for God to move for you in a way that is needed, not just wanted, is needed, and heaven can move back to Earth for you. But it has to have you. Without us on the planet there could be no new creation, there could be no new newness of anything because the light has to have something to ground itself into and, and that's us.

[01:46:08] Speaker 1: All right. And now, you know, look at your life. Just take a look at it and let's just imagine it was a pie chart, okay? We're gonna slice it up into all different pieces, you know, parts of it is how much time we spend sleeping, how much time we spend working, how much time we spend with our family, how much time we spend with our spirituality, you know? And when you look at this, when you divide it up into percentages and you, and you say, "How much time do I spend spiritually?" Well, you know, you may look at it and you say, "Well, I pray. You know, maybe I bless my food wi- before I eat it. You know, maybe I give thanks for some of the blessings that's given to me." You know? But when you really boil down to it, you know, how much do you really spend on your spirituality? And this is important because it is said that one-seventh of your week is meant to be spent on spirituality. Now you can divide it up between all seven days.

[01:47:15] Speaker 2: But if you do, a lot of people will not remember, something will get in the way o- on the sixth day keeping you from doing your, you know, the seventh part.

[01:47:26] Speaker 1: Right.

[01:47:26] Speaker 2: It's too easy for things to get in our way. And the key is, with everything Sandy just said, if everything you do is for God, everything you do you ask God to be a part of, that God is the one who is leading and you are just, just there to help. You are there to help God with what you are trying to create. But first, you must ask and, and make God a part of everything. When you do that pie chart, every piece of it, when you step into one piece that you gotta do, make sure that you ask that God come and be a part of it and His will, not yours, you know, be done. And the next part of the, of the pie chart, same thing. Next part, the same thing. And that then makes the wheel what? One.

[01:48:23] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[01:48:23] Speaker 2: For God is the one through whom all extremes are met.

[01:48:28] Speaker 1: And the next part that you have to look at, and this is, this is one to really focus on too, is that how much of what you have do you share? You know, do, do you, you know, give your time to others? Do you monetarily share with others? Do you help people when, when they're in crisis or when they call you and, and ask for help? Do you make time for them? You know, how much do you give of yourself to others? Because what you give away is really shows your love for God.

[01:49:08] Speaker 2: And it shows what you will get. You will receive only that which you give away.

[01:49:15] Speaker 1: And so we w- we stop and think like, "Oh man, my life's so stressful. I have this to do and that to do, and I got these problems and I, you know, things are breaking down, or, or got those issues." You know, there's always excuses that we can make. But if we are truly mini creator gods, then we can create the time one way or another to make it work, to fit God into the picture.

[01:49:48] Speaker 2: And if you truly think that you have seen it all, you know, come sit for an hour with Sandy and I.

[01:49:55] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[01:49:56] Speaker 2: You know? And I mean, I've, I've had people who were very spiritual sitting across the table from me and we were just talking and I was talking about, you know, some of the things that God had asked me to do over, you know, the last 20 years or so. And finally he looked at me and he said, he said, "Jim," he goes, "I'm sorry," he says, "but I'm gonna have to go take a nap." (laughs) And I said, "What?" He said, "I have to go take a nap." He said, "Everything that you said," he goes, "Now I'm tired." He goes, "I couldn't imagine having to do all that.

[01:50:28] Speaker 2: I mean, even for God."

[01:50:30] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[01:50:30] Speaker 2: "I mean, so, you know, I gotta go take a nap." (laughs)

[01:50:34] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[01:50:34] Speaker 2: I thought, "Really wasn't that much 'cause I'm really not done, you know, I've got more."

[01:50:38] Speaker 1: Yep. Well Jim, you started early. At the age of 12 you started ministering and you've been, you've been talking and, and continuing ever since then.

[01:50:46] Speaker 2: Right. And here's a key. There is a whole world of spiritual science awaiting to be explored. Where does it begin? To measure a circle. As someone once said, "One begins anywhere."

[01:51:01] Speaker 1: That's true. Yes.

[01:51:03] Speaker 2: So 304-567-3354. Um, if you'd like to give us a call. And we'll talk with you. We'll, we'll explain anything that we have said or spoken of in our, in our services. And, you know, just know we love you and we pray for you. Everyone out there listening, we pray for you. And tell somebody else about the show and have them listen too. Um...

[01:51:29] Speaker 1: We wanna thank all of you for tuning in to Angel Talk and we do hope that you can join us again in two weeks.

[01:51:37] Speaker 2: Absolutely. God bless.

[01:51:38] Speaker 1: God bless.