[00:00] Speaker 1: (Instrumental music plays) Everyone faces questions and decisions that require insight and answers as we move forward personally, professionally, and corporately in all areas of this thing we call life in America today. Hello, this is Joe Schofield and I invite you to tune in every Monday evening from 6:00 to 7:00 PM as we talk together and hear from key leaders of all ages and backgrounds about your questions. Interesting, informative, intuitive, but always encouraging. Tune us in on BBS Radio Network. Join Pastor Joe and co-hosts Ron Greer, Dr. Paul Hall, Stephanie Thayer, and Dr. Craig Thayer in Raising Expectations. (Instrumental music plays) Well, good evening, friends. It's Monday night, and that's your Raising Expectations site, and we're so thrilled that you tuned in tonight. We've got a great show. It's gonna be a real blessing again this week in store for you coming up really soon. I'm Pastor Joe. This is my wife Melba on my right, probably your left.

[01:45] Speaker 1: But we're sure glad that you're with us tonight. We always count you a blessing. And as we say every week, we never take you for granted. Thank you for the notes and the cards that come from so many places. Actually, they're texts and emails. I'm just showing my age. But in any event, they come and I thank you for what you, you say and how we get to pray for you. So, uh, y- you know that we're all believers, and, uh, on this show we all believe that Jesus is the son of God. And we believe that he died on the cross for one reason only, to pay the price for our sins. And quite often, I say to you, that answers the two biggest questions that always have asked of me. Everywhere I go people say, "Why are those two things important?" Well, number one, the whole world's searching for answers to what to do with their lives.

[02:31] Speaker 1: And, uh, we find out that the second-biggest question is people are always asking, "What's going to happen when I die?" Well, those two questions were taken care of at the cross. That's why He came to earth. When He died, He paid the price. Somebody had to pay for our sins. We've all fallen short of the glory of God, but by the grace of God, you're looking at a perfect man tonight. And any moment, my wife's gonna start laughing, but the bottom line is on that because my sins are on the shed blood of Christ, and yours when you know Him, we are finished work in Him. And that means that in the meantime, day after day, He works in our lives to bring about His purpose, to bring about His plan, and prayerfully when we're ready, to make us a blessing to other people so that their expectations can be raised, raising expectations in the power of Christ. So, thanks for tuning in tonight. We really appreciate you being with us. Uh, you know our team.

[03:28] Speaker 1: You pretty well know we are a Raising Expectations team. Our family's pretty extended. You get to meet all of them week after week. Uh, right now on the West Coast, you know we have Dr. Paul Hall, and he's there in Lompoc, California, near, near, uh, Santa Barbara. Paul has been a pastor, he's a counselor, he's a, uh, a writer. He's a very, very special man. We've been friends 55 years and, uh, Paul, how you doing?

[03:54] Speaker 2: Good. Thank you. Yeah. Good to see you.

[03:56] Speaker 1: (laughs) All right. Good to see you. All right. And if Paul and I join together with Melba, we head to, uh, the W- West, the East Coast actually, when we get down to Dalton, Georgia, uh, we find Dr. Tank or Craig Thayer. He is a surgeon. He's a writer. You will find on our website, which you can go to right now if you want, bbsradio.com/raisingexpectations. Bbsradio.com/raisingexpectations. And there you'll find, uh, the story of each of these people I'm mentioning to you as you scroll down our page. And you'll see a lot of things. We'll bring it to your attention a little later on. But you'll see Dr. Paul, Pastor Ron Greer, and Stephanie and, and Tank or Craig Thayer. You can read a little about them, find their sites. You'll also find our books. My book is There Legitimate Faith?: Producing Authentico because forsaking all I trust Him that makes it authentic 'cause He never fails. And his great book by Dr.

[04:55] Speaker 1: Tank, I love it, it's called Saved: Finding God in the Ordinary, which is one trauma surgeon's true accounts of the miracles of his life. Craig Thayer is one of the most wonderful guys you could ever meet or ever know. He and his wife are just simply outstanding there in Dalton, Georgia. Craig, uh, is a surgeon. He's a trauma surgeon. He handles the cases so often when he ha- he shares with us, "Lord, guide my hands because I have to trust you on what you're doing here." He's a great man of faith. He has two great sons and, uh, family and, um, his wife Stephanie is not with us tonight, but Steph, she's terrific. She's, uh, a wonderful woman of God, a wife, a homemaker, a businesswoman, uh, she's been a health specialist. The two of them together are what we call the dynamic duo (laughs) and they're on our team. We thank God for them each and every day. Good to see you, Tank. How you doing?

[05:47] Speaker 3: I'm doing great. Thank you, sir.

[05:49] Speaker 1: I'm good to see you. All right. And then if we come back to the West, we would be showing you Pastor Ron Greer. He's on the website. He's with Man In The Mirror out of, uh, Florida, and he's actually in McKinney, Texas. So you'll want to check on our website about, uh, Ron and see what he's doing. Ron has a great way of, uh, sharing the gospel with guys and turning...... troubled men into warriors for Christ, and giving answers for the problems they go through in life as they seek them in Christ. So, it's just a wonderful group. These men bless my life. This family blesses my life each week. And Melba and I continue to marvel at who you are, what you do, perhaps the greatest thing of all, what God does through you because of who you are, and who He is. Amen. So tonight, folks, I want you to strap in, hold on, because we have got a very special guest to be with us tonight. You all remember Dr. Robert H.

[06:43] Speaker 1: Schuller, the wonderful pastor that we used to always watch at the Crystal Cathedral years ago when we were younger. And, uh, he's a great pastor, a great author, coming from the plains of Iowa and, uh, uh, he's- he's a guy that, when I used to listen to him when I was just going into college, I would hear things about, uh, the great just earth, ground, earth people. People who are tied to the earth, people who understand what it means to have a caring heart about people. It would just come out of everything he says and every action he took. In fact, Wilma and I were talking about it, some of the books we listed for you this week, what, you had a favorite book too. What was it?

[07:22] Speaker 4: The Be Happy Attitudes.

[07:24] Speaker 1: That's it.

[07:24] Speaker 4: So nice. Mm-hmm.

[07:25] Speaker 1: And folks, it worked, 'cause she's always happy. I hope you read that book, 'cause it was a good book. And also, you'll find, I think my favorite was one that, uh, you probably all know. It was called Tough Times Never Last, But Tough People Do. Uh, I just love that book. So tonight, we have tonight, his daughter, Dr. Sheila Schuller Coleman. Dr. Sheila Cool, uh, uh, Schuller, excuse me, Coleman.

[07:52] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[07:52] Speaker 1: And she's coming to be with us tonight. You got some pictures there. There's her dad, and we're in for a story about his ministry and her life. She was his right arm, even though here she's on his left arm, but that's okay.

[08:04] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[08:05] Speaker 1: She was his right arm in everything that he did and said, and, uh, what a great relationship, what a great testimony and story. So we want you to welcome, in fact, there's a great picture. One of the books he wrote, My Father, My Friend, uh, that she put together. She wrote this book about what he meant to her. So, we want you to welcome, we always use the very famous, uh, round of applause, so let's give Sheila- Sheila the round of applause, and welcome to Raising Expectations. (laughs) And we're gonna share, give you the floor. You, uh, go ahead and feel free to share, and w- we'll jump in with you whenever you like on anything you might have to- to share. Thanks so much for being with us.

[08:44] Speaker 4: Well, I am just so, I was so excited to get the call and to be invited to have an opportunity just to talk about my dad. I've always, even as a little girl, it was an interesting thing, I used to ask all my friends, "What does your daddy do?" Because I knew they would say, "Oh, he's a fireman," or whatever he was, and then they'd turn ar- and- and that was a setup, because I knew they'd turn around and they'd say, "And what does your daddy do?" (laughs)

[09:09] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[09:09] Speaker 4: And I would get to say, "Oh, my dad's a pastor." I just, I don't know why, but I always wanted s- everybody to know that- that my dad was a pastor.

[09:18] Speaker 1: Amen.

[09:19] Speaker 4: It's just so interesting because, and- and I've, as I've grown, the older I get, (laughs) the more I realize that how miraculous Dad's story really is. And I love telling it because it's, it helps us, you're talking about raising expectations, and we need, our God is a limitless god.

[09:41] Speaker 1: Amen.

[09:41] Speaker 4: And too often, we limit our expectations, not only of what He can do, or what, but what we can become, and what we can do with Him, because we lack, uh, legacy, we lack resources, we lack an education, we lack health. Whatever it is, we, too often, we see the lack versus the limitless.

[10:03] Speaker 1: Amen.

[10:03] Speaker 4: Limitless God who has an amazing, an amazing plan for each and every one of His children, an amazing divine plan. My father, when I think about it, I look back, he, it's a- it's amazing to me that God would choose him, because he was just a little boy, the youngest of five, on a dirt, poor farm in Iowa, at the end of a dead-end dirt road in Iowa, a very, very obscure road, uh, in the middle of nowhere. He was not an athlete. In fact, he tells a story about, everybody would get chosen and he'd still be there, and they still wouldn't choose him.

[10:47] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[10:48] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[10:50] Speaker 4: The last one. (laughs) That is just not who Dad was. But Dad, all he ever did was go out there in the pastures, and they had a little stream running through their farm, and he would preach to the cows, and that's what he did. And he would dream of being a pastor when he grew up. And God called him at the tender age of five. And that's who God chose to be this amazing, an amazing man of God who just-

[11:22] Speaker 1: Amen.

[11:22] Speaker 4: ... turned the world on fire for Jesus Christ, and- and truly brings and brought the heart of the Father, His love, His love, His love for His children. The l- the, what a, what a love story. (laughs)

[11:37] Speaker 1: Amen. Amen.

[11:38] Speaker 4: What a love story, right? He is, He loved us-

[11:41] Speaker 1: Amen.

[11:41] Speaker 4: ... so much that He sent Jesus, right? I heard Tim Tebow-

[11:46] Speaker 1: Amen.

[11:46] Speaker 4: ... say it the other day. He said, "It's the greatest rescue story of- of all time." (laughs)

[11:52] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[11:52] Speaker 4: The greatest rescue story. And, um, but that's who my dad was. He carried the heart of the Father, carried the Father's heart.

[12:01] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. Amen.

[12:02] Speaker 4: And, um, I got, and so, any rate, that's who God chose. And he came to California to start a church, to plant a church.

[12:12] Speaker 1: Amazing.

[12:13] Speaker 4: And, um, he got here, and he had nothing, absolutely nothing.

[12:19] Speaker 5: Hmm.

[12:19] Speaker 4: There was just, there, there was nothing surrounding us but orange groves primarily at the time. He was supposed to start a, plant a church for the Reformed Church in America, but it turned out there were no Reformed Church people here. (laughs)

[12:36] Speaker 5: No? Huh.

[12:37] Speaker 4: He's like, "Now what do I do?"

[12:40] Speaker 5: Yeah. (laughs)

[12:41] Speaker 4: And so he remembered his Uncle Henry, who was a missionary to China. And Uncle Henry said to him, "Robert, the first thing you do when you're a missionary is you find out what do the people need."

[12:58] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

[12:58] Speaker 4: And he said, "The people in China needed rice." So, he began by giving the people rice.

[13:04] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[13:06] Speaker 4: And Dad said, "Okay, I realize I'm not planting a church. I'm a missionary."

[13:12] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

[13:14] Speaker 4: "What do the people need?" And so he started knocking on the doors, and he'd, he'd say, "Hi. This is who I am. I'm starting a church in your neighborhood. What do you need?"

[13:27] Speaker 5: Amen.

[13:27] Speaker 4: And he, and it's what he did, door after door after door. When we moved to California to start this church, my brother was a baby and I was four, and we had no church. We had no building. We only had this tiny little house that the denomination provided for us. Dad's office was in the first bedroom. And my mom would be hanging... I'm gonna age myself here, but she'd be hanging up my brother's diapers in a line in the backyard.

[13:59] Speaker 5: (laughs)

[14:01] Speaker 4: And the doorbell would ring and she'd say, "Sheila, go get the door." So I like to say I was Dad's first receptionist. (laughs)

[14:09] Speaker 5: (laughs)

[14:09] Speaker 4: And I, I would go and answer the door. And, but I'll never forget the f- one, the one time I opened the door and there was a woman standing there and she was crying.

[14:18] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

[14:19] Speaker 4: She said, "I heard a pastor lives here." And I said, "Oh, you need my daddy. Let me go get my daddy 'cause I know he can help you." And I just went, you know, knocked on Dad's door and got Daddy for her.

[14:35] Speaker 5: Yes.

[14:36] Speaker 4: And I realized that that's really been my call my whole life, is just to open doors to people who are hurting and say, "Let me get my daddy, my earthly daddy." Hi- his writings, his message still lives. "And let me get my, my divine daddy. Let me get my Abba for you because I know, I know, I know He can help you."

[15:01] Speaker 5: Amen.

[15:02] Speaker 4: So that's, that's how it began, and I don't know if you guys know the story about the drive-in and all of that, but we started out in this drive-in, right? Does everybody know that story? Do I need to tell it? (laughs) I can't. What do you think, Joe?

[15:16] Speaker 5: I think you should tell some of it. Yeah, that's great.

[15:19] Speaker 4: Well, because there was no place for church, Dad got a little napkin out in a restaurant and he did wh- and he put down 10 possibilities where he could do church, the Alcs club, and all these different places, the Seventh-Day Adventist Church. And he started going through the list and he crossed them all off, and number 10 was a drive-in theater. And that was his last resort. So he went to the drive-in theater and he said, "Is it possible for me to do church from your snack bar roof, the roof of your snack bar?" And they said, "Sure." So, (laughs) so Dad did. It was, yeah, he, he stood up there and they had an organ that they, was in the back of a little trailer, lived in our garage. And we would pile in the, in the car and we'd pull the organ to the drive-in theater and we'd... And sit there in the dr- in the car, and then later we had Sunday school on the playground, a little playground there outside the snack bar.

[16:22] Speaker 5: Hm.

[16:22] Speaker 4: And people would come in their cars. So Dad went from preaching to cows to preaching to cars. (laughs)

[16:34] Speaker 5: (laughs)

[16:34] Speaker 4: And he'd have them honk their horn, you know, 'cause instead of applauding. And, um, but it was really am- it was so cool because he put this one, he made this one ad in the paper. It said, "Come as you are in the family car."

[16:49] Speaker 5: (laughs) Oh, good. I'm like-

[16:51] Speaker 4: And that's what they are. People came as they were. They came as they were. They were people who would never darken the door of a, of a church.

[17:00] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

[17:00] Speaker 4: But they'd come in their car. Nobody would see them. They could be qui- and, and then, and then it grew. It just grew so quickly. In fact, Dr. Peale, when he wrote The Power of Possibility Thinking back in the '50s, right? 'Cause that's when Dad started this, it's in 1955. Oh, man, it was a bestseller. Everybody was into it. And Dad wrote Dr. Peale and asked him if he'd come and preach. And lo and behold, he said yes.

[17:29] Speaker 5: (laughs)

[17:29] Speaker 4: And so- (laughs)

[17:32] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[17:32] Speaker 4: ... so Dr. Peale came, and of course, every, uh, the, the drive-in theater was filled. There's pictures. You can find them at the drive-in, just filled with all of these cars.

[17:45] Speaker 5: Wow. Wow.

[17:46] Speaker 4: So that was, that's how that... It's how it began, very, very inauspicious beginning. But my dad was a man who had limitless faith, and I got to have a front row seat to that faith.

[18:03] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

[18:04] Speaker 4: I don't consider myself, I didn't consider myself to have any, not even a, a little, tiny, pinky finger of my, my dad's faith compared to him. But-When we were in Iowa, oh my goodness, we would go there every summer and they'd have these horrendous thunderstorms.

[18:25] Speaker 6: Hmm.

[18:26] Speaker 4: We in California have no idea- (laughs)

[18:30] Speaker 6: (laughs)

[18:30] Speaker 4: ... what a thunderstorm is until you see one in the mid, in the Midwest, right? I'm seeing some-

[18:35] Speaker 6: Yeah. (laughs)

[18:35] Speaker 4: ... Paul shaking his head yes and-

[18:37] Speaker 6: Yeah. (laughs)

[18:37] Speaker 4: ... and the Doctor shaking his head yes.

[18:39] Speaker 6: Yes. (laughs)

[18:40] Speaker 4: And I remember this one, and I was upstairs in my grandma's house, in her old, in this old house, in the bedroom up there, and it was thundering and crashing and lightning. And I buried myself under the blankets, and my dad comes bursting into the room and he yanks the, the covers off my he- and he says... And I'm going, "No, Daddy. No, no, no, Daddy. No, no, no. Put 'em back, put 'em back, put 'em back."

[19:02] Speaker 6: (laughs)

[19:03] Speaker 4: And then he does, and he, he, he whips me up in his arms. I'm going, "No, no, no, Daddy. Put me back, put me back."

[19:08] Speaker 6: (laughs)

[19:08] Speaker 4: And we go down the stairs towards the front door, and I'm going, "Wrong way, Dad. Wrong way, Dad."

[19:12] Speaker 6: (laughs)

[19:12] Speaker 4: So I'm thinking in my heart, right?

[19:14] Speaker 6: Oh, yeah. (laughs)

[19:15] Speaker 4: Door flings open and I'm going, "I can't believe this. What are we doing?" And we go out onto the porch and there's thunder and lightning crashing all around us, and I buried my face in Dad's arm, you know, in his chest like, "Oh, I'm so scared, I'm so scared, I'm so scared." And my dad, my dad said, "Sheila, open your eyes. Don't miss it. This is God's power on display."

[19:42] Speaker 6: (laughs) Amen.

[19:47] Speaker 4: Whoa, right?

[19:48] Speaker 6: That's great.

[19:49] Speaker 3: Amazing.

[19:50] Speaker 4: And so, that was my dad, and I am always like, "Ah, God, you must have loved me a lot."

[19:58] Speaker 6: (laughs)

[20:00] Speaker 4: Maybe you still do. (laughs)

[20:03] Speaker 6: (laughs) That's right.

[20:05] Speaker 3: I think it was a lot like, like your dad's Peter. He expects God... Jesus is out of the boat, on the water-

[20:12] Speaker 6: (laughs)

[20:13] Speaker 3: ... that he's gonna take steps on the water.

[20:15] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[20:15] Speaker 3: And he's carry- he's carrying you this time, right? This is your dad-

[20:19] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[20:19] Speaker 3: Um, he's expecting that God's gonna carry him and you to, to-

[20:25] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[20:27] Speaker 3: ... to Jesus. It sounds like he was a lot like that. He just expected... He knew what to expect.

[20:32] Speaker 6: Amen. That's right.

[20:35] Speaker 4: Scriptures talk about the gift of faith, the gift of faith. And some... And God gives it to certain people at certain times as needed, and it's nothing but a gift. It's nothing that we've done to deserve it, nothing that we've done to earn it. It is just required for whatever he's tasked us with. So, so that was... But yeah, it was amazing growing up as the, the daughter of this man who had (laughs) I said he was like living with an exclamation point, you know?

[21:11] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[21:12] Speaker 6: (laughs)

[21:12] Speaker 4: Everything was bigger than life. And, um-

[21:15] Speaker 6: That's right.

[21:16] Speaker 4: ... but I did, I had a front row seat to watching God do the miraculous, you know, and the, and, um, the verse that I wanted to share tonight that encapsulates my father m- was a verse that Dad preached on a lot. It's Matthew 17:20, "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed-"

[21:47] Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.

[21:47] Speaker 4: "... you can say to this mountain 'Move from here to there,' it will move, and nothing will be impossible to you."

[21:56] Speaker 6: Hmm.

[21:57] Speaker 4: And Dad was always about seeds. He said, "Any- anybody can count the seeds in one apple, but only God can count the apples in one seed."

[22:10] Speaker 6: Oh, ho, ho. Yeah. Good. (laughs)

[22:14] Speaker 4: Isn't that something?

[22:16] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[22:16] Speaker 3: That's really cool.

[22:18] Speaker 4: It's... I know. Only God can count the apples in one seed. There's so much power in a seed.

[22:25] Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.

[22:25] Speaker 4: In fact, the Lord's been really impressing upon me about how important promises are. Mary, when she was promised that she was carrying, going to carry the seed, God's seed in her womb, right?

[22:40] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[22:41] Speaker 4: She said, "Let it be to me according to His Word."

[22:45] Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.

[22:45] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[22:45] Speaker 4: And nothing is impossible with God. Or another translation is that the pow- the... Every promise contains the power of God to fulfill it-

[22:56] Speaker 6: Hm.

[22:57] Speaker 4: ... like a seed, like a seed. Every seed has within it the power to fulfill what has been embedded in that seed.

[23:09] Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.

[23:10] Speaker 4: Nobody can make a seed grow. Nobody can make a seed. Only God can do that. All we can do is plant a seed. All we can do is water the seed and watch it grow in front of our eyes.

[23:21] Speaker 6: Amen.

[23:21] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[23:22] Speaker 6: Yeah, amen.

[23:23] Speaker 4: He, he does it all. He does it all. And I watch my-

[23:27] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[23:27] Speaker 4: I think... You know, because my dad, you know, there he was, this drive-in theater guy, and then we... he built a chapel. We had this woman that went to the, um... She was at, at the drive-in, and she, her name was Rosie Gray and she was disabled. She'd never been able to go to church until there was a drive-in church.

[23:47] Speaker 6: Hmm.

[23:47] Speaker 3: Hmm.

[23:47] Speaker 4: Dad baptized her, and, and her husband, Warren, was a rancher. And so, then we, we would go back and forth every Sunday. We did one service in the drive-in, and then we'd drive clear across town and do another service in the little chapel. We outgrew both very quickly, and then Dad had to build a new church, and it was gonna be just a much bigger church. And everybody said, "Well, what are we gonna do about Rosie?" And he said, "Well, we can't leave Rosie behind." So-They decided to make it a walk-in drive-in church, the world's first walk-in drive-in church.

[24:25] Speaker 2: Hmm.

[24:25] Speaker 4: And it was very successful and just amazing. And it was in 1970, um, early '70s, I think it was '72. I was in college at the time. I wasn't there. I was away. But Billy Graham had a crusade in Anaheim.

[24:46] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. Hmm.

[24:46] Speaker 3: Yes.

[24:46] Speaker 4: And Dad was one of the pastors, you know, that was helping Billy. And Billy said to my dad, he said, "You know, Robert." He said, "You should put your church service on TV."

[25:01] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[25:01] Speaker 4: Back then, there were no church services on TV or YouTube or any platform. (laughs)

[25:06] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[25:07] Speaker 4: They weren't done. They just weren't done. And, um, he said, but Billy said, "We need a church service on TV." He said, "Now, I, Billy, my ..." His program was his crusades. He put his crusades on TV at the time. He said, "I call them Hour of Decision, and you should be Hour of Power."

[25:28] Speaker 3: Yes. Yeah.

[25:29] Speaker 4: That's how that came about.

[25:31] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[25:32] Speaker 4: And he said, "And, and I'll, uh, I will loan you my entire production team, and we'll teach you-"

[25:38] Speaker 3: Wow. Wow.

[25:39] Speaker 4: "... how to do it." And so, that's how that began.

[25:43] Speaker 3: Man.

[25:44] Speaker 4: And so here's this little boy from this obscure farm. Now he's on TV, and they started with LA when that was, took off, was self-sufficient. Then they did New York, then they did Chicago, and that's how that, that's how it worked.

[26:02] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[26:04] Speaker 3: Amazing.

[26:04] Speaker 2: That's amazing.

[26:06] Speaker 4: And we still didn't know what would happen with it, but it came to the point where then Dad was in Russia, and he was, uh, and he met Mikhail Gorbachev. And Mikhail Gorbachev said to him, "You know what? I wanna put your Hour of Power on Channel One Russia."

[26:28] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. Amen. Wow.

[26:32] Speaker 4: And so they did. It was the first religious anything on the communist Russia, USSR at the time.

[26:43] Speaker 3: Amen.

[26:43] Speaker 4: Media at all.

[26:46] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[26:47] Speaker 4: Right? (laughs)

[26:48] Speaker 3: Amen.

[26:48] Speaker 2: That's something.

[26:49] Speaker 4: Yeah, and it was just, it was a few months later, the w- you know, the Berlin Wall fell. Yeah. It's really-

[26:56] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[26:56] Speaker 4: It's really a, an amazing thing what God, and God did it.

[27:03] Speaker 3: Yes.

[27:04] Speaker 2: Yeah. The, the, the stress, the power of what you just said. I met some Libyan missionaries, and they go to Libya. L- Libya's mostly Muslim.

[27:15] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[27:15] Speaker 2: They practice Islamic or Muslimism, and they're expected to. If not, you may be headed. So, there are dual religions in the country, meaning the citizens will practice publicly their Muslim faith. But in the dark of night, like in a car at a drive-in, they will-

[27:42] Speaker 4: Hmm.

[27:43] Speaker 2: ... practice their Christianity-

[27:44] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[27:45] Speaker 2: ... and know everything they possibly can about the Bible. So your dad was in that group. To then burst through into a communist country to be published is huge.

[27:59] Speaker 3: Amen. Absolutely.

[28:01] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[28:02] Speaker 4: For sure.

[28:03] Speaker 3: Bring the apples. Amen. (laughs)

[28:07] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[28:08] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[28:08] Speaker 3: Oh, wow.

[28:10] Speaker 4: Yeah, if you have the faith of a seed, that's all you need. You know, the faith of a seed.

[28:18] Speaker 2: That's nice.

[28:18] Speaker 4: You can say to this mountain, "Move from here to there," it will move. Nothing will be impossible to you. And, yeah, the Lord has been telling me, "Sheila, if little faith can move mountains, what can limitless faith do?" (laughs)

[28:35] Speaker 3: Yes. Yes, amen. (laughs) That's right. That's something. Huh?

[28:43] Speaker 2: Very good. Very good.

[28:45] Speaker 3: Wow.

[28:48] Speaker 4: So do you guys have any questions for me? (laughs)

[28:51] Speaker 3: Paul, you have a thought maybe? I know Paul's always thinking, Pastor Paul.

[28:55] Speaker 2: Uh, is my microphone causing a problem? Can you, can you hear okay?

[28:59] Speaker 3: We're good.

[29:00] Speaker 2: Okay. Um, Sheila, it's great to have you and to hear those stories. It was, it was heartwarming to me to hear you say that you were proud your dad was a pastor.

[29:10] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[29:10] Speaker 2: Uh, that, that's not true for, for quite a few pastors' families, you know-

[29:14] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[29:15] Speaker 2: ... uh, given the situation. But, uh, I was glad to hear that because, uh, you know, it shines through in your face and, uh, in what you say, and I really appreciate that. I had the privilege of, um, of meeting your dad on a couple of occasions. I was at a, um, church growth conference, uh, at the Crystal Cathedral.

[29:33] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[29:34] Speaker 2: Um, the first time I attended the conference there, it was in the smaller building, before the cathedral was built.

[29:40] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[29:40] Speaker 2: Um, but I remember an illustration that he gave, and that I'd like to, if... Along the way, there had to be some major hiccups, you know, in the things that, that you and the family faced, and some of the internal kind of things that went on. But I remember him telling a story (laughs) of being raised where he was, and, uh, he tal- he tal- told a story about potatoes. And he says, "When you have a, a, a wagon full of potatoes, and it goes down a bumpy road," he says, "the big potatoes rise to the top." And I thought, gee, that wasn't such a great story, (laughs) you know? Because we, you know, turmoil, uh, we don't like that very much. We like to kind of push that aside, but, but when those things happen... So could you kind of address that a little bit for us? You know, the times of turmoil and big potatoes rising to the top, you know? It...

[30:30] Speaker 4: It's, I, that's one of my favorite stories of my dad.

[30:33] Speaker 2: Okay.

[30:33] Speaker 4: I love that story. It just me-... You know, we see that-Yeah, challenges sort, challenges can be a sorting mechanism, right? (laughs)

[30:45] Speaker 1: It's that good.

[30:46] Speaker 4: And I'm looking at, at the doctor here who does things with sports and everything, right?

[30:51] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[30:51] Speaker 4: And you look to see, okay, 'cause, like, athletes especially, th- you know, the ones who... And I'm thinking of my grandson right now, (clears throat) who's an aspiring little athlete, and he's had s- one challenge after another challenge after another challenge, and he refuses to quit.

[31:08] Speaker 1: Hmm.

[31:09] Speaker 4: That was one of my dad's big things. Do not quit. Don't give up. And my grandson has that same spirit of tenacity.

[31:17] Speaker 1: Amen.

[31:17] Speaker 4: He re- and he's got such a good attitude. He'll go back out, and if he strikes out, "Okay, that, oka- that's okay. I'll go back up to the p- the mound aga- you know, I'll, I'll go back up to the, the batter's hi- whatever that's called." (laughs) I'm not the athlete.

[31:31] Speaker 1: (laughs) Right.

[31:31] Speaker 4: I'm like my dad. (laughs)

[31:33] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[31:33] Speaker 4: I was never chosen.

[31:35] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[31:35] Speaker 4: But, um, but, or, and the same with pitching, right? He's, he's playing baseball right now and basketball and little things like that. He's 11. But he just, he never quits, and he doesn't get mad, and he doesn't storm off, and he doesn't... He just goes, and I said to him, I go, his name's JJ, I go, "JJ, I'm so proud of you." And he goes, "Why?" And I said, "Because you don't quit. You just sa- you just hang in there, and you've got a good attitude."

[32:01] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[32:01] Speaker 4: And, and so what I'm seeing is that those challenges are forging in my grandson a spirit of tenacity and a character.

[32:13] Speaker 1: Yes. Yes.

[32:14] Speaker 4: And character cannot be taught. It's usually best learned when you have to face one challenge after another, after another, after another. And the more challenges, the more bumpy roads you have to go over, the stronger you get. And I think that's why, that's what that, what that story tells us is that those who don't quit, those who have tenacity, those who keep trusting in the Lord and saying, "Okay, well, this is a, this is not a denial.

[32:43] Speaker 4: This is just a delay."

[32:45] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[32:45] Speaker 4: "This is not a setback. This is a setup for a comeback." You know?

[32:48] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[32:48] Speaker 4: All of those, those (laughs) looking at the, looking at the glass not half empty, but, you know, half full. "It's okay. We're half full. We just need to keep trying." So, that's what I, what I w- I think about.

[33:03] Speaker 1: Man.

[33:04] Speaker 3: Doesn't, doesn't, uh, Paul, but Paul in the Bible say, "Take joy in the trials"?

[33:11] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[33:11] Speaker 3: "Because the longer the trials they are, the more endurance you gain."

[33:15] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[33:15] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[33:16] Speaker 3: Obviously paraphrasing, so. Um, yeah, I think sports is a, a great life lesson because you learn how to set goals, you learn how to fall and get back up. And you like what I would call, what you describe is grit. You get grit. You know, the, you may fall. It's not how many times you fall, it's how many times you get back up. So, sports will do that for you. And individual sports, uh, are individual. Swimming, for me, was individual. So you set a goal. You don't achieve it. It's all your ... It's, it's, it's your, your, your problem. You, you, you fail. But team sports is a little different 'cause you gotta rely on other people. But then you also learn the dynamics of kinda being social, and how to figure out people's strengths, and, and then be a teammate, and find kindness, and inspire, which is what coaches are supposed to do, I think, so. Yeah, interesting.

[34:17] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[34:17] Speaker 1: Amen. That's right.

[34:19] Speaker 7: Sheila, did you have any personal challenges, uh, being the daughter of Robert Schuller and-

[34:26] Speaker 1: (clears throat)

[34:27] Speaker 7: ... his being the, the pastor that he was?

[34:30] Speaker 4: In s- I did, in, mostly in high school because, well, Dad was... It was interesting because there, there were these, yeah. Peop- I would hear people say, "Oh, your father doesn't spe- you know, he's not preaching the way he should be preaching, you know, about hell and some of those other things, you know?" And, and I was like, "Oh, no. Dad, are you okay?" I even went to him once. I said, "Dad, do you know what some of these pastors are saying about you?"

[35:03] Speaker 1: Really?

[35:03] Speaker 4: Dad said, "Yeah, I know." I said, "And?" (laughs)

[35:10] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[35:11] Speaker 4: He says, he said, "Sheila, I don't care what they say about me." He said, "They're all saved. I care about the unsaved."

[35:21] Speaker 1: Yes. (laughs)

[35:21] Speaker 7: (laughs)

[35:21] Speaker 4: "I want the unsaved to, to be saved." He said, "That's all I care about."

[35:25] Speaker 7: Mm-hmm.

[35:26] Speaker 1: Yes. "It's not what people are saying about me. It's wh- what God is saying to me."

[35:32] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[35:32] Speaker 1: That's your dad lived that, that statement out in everything he did.

[35:37] Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's why he, no, he did things that nobody else would do.

[35:41] Speaker 1: Yes. (laughs)

[35:43] Speaker 7: (laughs)

[35:44] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[35:45] Speaker 1: Yeah, what an inspiration.

[35:47] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[35:47] Speaker 1: What an, and, you know, it, it just lives on. It just goes on and on. In fact, I asked Melby the other day, we need to find another copy of that book. (laughs) Wh- when they said about the book Get Going. I mean, looking at that, today's world, what we face, there's always sections of time in history, sections of time in our nation, and sections of time in our Christianity down to Churchianity, everything across the nation where people go through different things, but they keep their eyes on Christ, and it always pulls us together. But there's so much going on right now, and, uh, in looking at, at what God is doing across this nation and the churches and in the lives of people, I- I just look and I think about the title your dad used. He put that title out there. I think there were millions of people that, that, that title, and of course, you, you edited all of this. (laughs) So you know it like the back of your hand don't you?

[36:42] Speaker 1: But, uh-

[36:43] Speaker 4: Yes, yes. He came to me, and he said... I was a brand new mom with a second baby within two years' time. (clears throat) And he came to me. (laughs)

[36:52] Speaker 8: (laughs)

[36:52] Speaker 7: (laughs)

[36:52] Speaker 4: Why me? I've never done any writing. But he came to me and he said, "Sheila, um, Thomas Nelson wants a book by this title." Tough, 'cause Dad preached on it. Tough Times Never Last, But Tough People Do. And he said, "And they need it in 30 days."

[37:08] Speaker 8: (laughs) Oh, yes, that's right.

[37:10] Speaker 4: And he said, "Will you do it for me?" (laughs)

[37:13] Speaker 8: (laughs)

[37:13] Speaker 4: 'Cause he was flying all over the world, right?

[37:15] Speaker 8: Yeah, sure.

[37:15] Speaker 4: I'll never forget it. I'm sitting there, I've got one baby here and another baby there, and I'm going, uh... And because I'm a daddy's girl, uh, and that's why he came to me, I said, "Sure, Dad." (laughs)

[37:24] Speaker 8: (laughs)

[37:24] Speaker 7: (laughs)

[37:24] Speaker 4: And I'm still not sure how we did it, but we did.

[37:28] Speaker 8: Yeah.

[37:28] Speaker 4: We did it. But I'm thinking of a story that I wanna share that Dad also told, 'cause I think it's really important to the times we're living in, and it's important to the whole theme of tough times never last, but tough people do. We, it feels like we've had tough times and tough times and tough times, right?

[37:46] Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.

[37:46] Speaker 4: And sometimes people say, "But they do last." (laughs)

[37:51] Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.

[37:51] Speaker 7: (laughs)

[37:51] Speaker 8: These tough times.

[37:51] Speaker 4: "These tough times are lasting."

[37:54] Speaker 8: (laughs)

[37:54] Speaker 4: And, um, but, or they're being traded for one tough time (laughs) for a completely different tough time. But, um, when Dad was home from college once, my grandpa on the farm asked him to help him cut down a tree in the wintertime. And they did. They cut this tree down and, and when it fell with a crash, my grandfather went over and he looked at the stump, and he saw that there was life in the stump.

[38:23] Speaker 8: Oh, my.

[38:26] Speaker 4: And he said, "Oh, Bob." He said, "Never cut a dead tree down in the wintertime."

[38:39] Speaker 8: Hmm.

[38:39] Speaker 7: Hmm.

[38:42] Speaker 4: And Dad, and I, and that just resonated with me. And I thought, wow, because Dad said, "Never make an irreversible decision in the midst of a tough time."

[38:55] Speaker 8: Hmm.

[38:55] Speaker 4: And I see so many people who get worn out, they get tired, and then they start thinking, "Nothing's getting better. I don't see any way out. And I just don't know where to go from here." Because Dad's message was always one about hope. No matter what you're facing, don't give up. Don't cut that dead tree down, because it's still, there is still life in it.

[39:22] Speaker 8: Hmm.

[39:24] Speaker 7: It's true.

[39:25] Speaker 4: There's always still life. In a relationship that maybe seems like it's at a dead end, don't cut it down.

[39:35] Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.

[39:35] Speaker 4: There's still life in there. Believe in life, believe in life, believe in (laughs) believe it, that you'll, you'll be one who will make it through and grow through it. Not just go through it, but you'll grow through it. And so, um, when I see people that are making irreversible decisions, um, because they've given up, and I just wanna say to anybody who's listening, don't give up.

[40:06] Speaker 7: Mm-hmm.

[40:06] Speaker 4: Because God hasn't given up.

[40:09] Speaker 7: That's right.

[40:10] Speaker 4: God's always got a way, God's always got a plan. And He's, and He will have the last word, Dad used to say. Excuse me. He will have the last word.

[40:20] Speaker 8: Good.

[40:21] Speaker 4: And it will be good.

[40:24] Speaker 8: That's right.

[40:25] Speaker 7: Yes.

[40:27] Speaker 8: That's right.

[40:28] Speaker 7: Well, I know that, um, eight years ago, I lost my first husband. And, um, after we had his service and everything, my first question is, "Now what?" You know, we, uh, Paul and, and, uh, this man here and me, we all went to Hardin-Simmons together, even though I don't remember them, but they remember seeing me. And, uh, but 50 years ago, we were on the same campus.

[40:55] Speaker 8: Yeah.

[40:56] Speaker 7: And, um, 41 years ago, I married the first time. And, uh, it was 41 years, two daughters later, and, uh, a marriage that was just unbelievable. And we, he was a pastor as well, and he preached, and we were in Hispanic congregations. And I just remember saying, "Lord, now what? Now what am I supposed to do?" And, and so I just kind of did my grieving as quickly as I could (laughs) , which, you know, and sometimes it, it just lasts.

[41:28] Speaker 7: But after the first couple of years, I said, "Okay, I'm ready." And God said, "For what?" I said, "I need a new helpmate, and I need it now." And he just kinda looked at me and said, "I heard you." And so, you know, six years later-

[41:45] Speaker 8: (laughs)

[41:47] Speaker 7: ... I'm on this show.

[41:49] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[41:49] Speaker 7: And, um, that's where God opened the doors. And after Joe asked me to marry him and I said yes, I said... I was sitting in my apartment in Fort Worth, and he was in Cali- here in California, and I said, uh, "Lord, h- how did this happen?" 'Cause every day for six years, I prayed, and I prayed very specifically. Uh, he had to be tall, he had to have hair (laughs) he had to be a preacher, and, and look who I found. (laughs)

[42:18] Speaker 8: Don't quit.

[42:18] Speaker 7: But, um-

[42:18] Speaker 8: It wasn't his fault.

[42:20] Speaker 7: ... and I'd say, (laughs) and I sat in my chair at the apartment, and I said, "How did this happen?" He said, "But this is what you've been praying for." And then it dawned on me. It was in his time.

[42:34] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[42:35] Speaker 7: That was the right time, not my time, 'cause he knew my time was still kind of unstable those first few years. And I got involved with my church in, in Euless, and I was everywhere. You know, driving everywhere in the metro area. And by the time that we connected, I was tired of driving everywhere. (laughs) And so I needed a change, and God knew when that was gonna happen. So, yes, through the challenges we have to keep, keep on keeping on.

[43:05] Speaker 7: And I learned that, um, in a very special way-

[43:09] Speaker 4: And if it hadn't been for Joe, I don't know what I would've done. But, uh, at any rate, you know, God answers prayer when it's time. When it's His time and the right time. So.

[43:21] Speaker 1: He, He knows what He's doing. Right, Hank? (laughs) He saw ............................ Yes. All right. Amen.

[43:28] Speaker 3: What struck, struck with what you said, um, was about hope. And one of the reasons why Steph's not here tonight is because sh- she has someone that both of us know who committed suicide. And, um, that's the last thing you lose before you do it, is hope.

[43:53] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[43:53] Speaker 3: Anybody's listening out there, always know you have hope in Jesus, 'cause-

[43:59] Speaker 4: That's right.

[44:01] Speaker 3: ... He's always, like in Psalm 23, right behind you with Steph and Rod, to save you and guide you.

[44:09] Speaker 4: I lost a friend, a dear friend. I'm not sure if it was suicide, but it was from drinking.

[44:17] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[44:17] Speaker 4: And I haven't heard why she died. It was two weeks before Christmas. It's not an easy thing to, to lose a friend who's lost all hope. But-

[44:30] Speaker 1: Yes.

[44:30] Speaker 4: ... and that, but even then, (laughs) even then, (clears throat) you know, because that's where you may not... Uh, Oral Roberts. Does everybody know who Oral Roberts was?

[44:43] Speaker 1: Yes.

[44:46] Speaker 4: When his son committed suicide, Dad sent him a telegram. (laughs) That was before there were emails and text messages.

[44:54] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[44:54] Speaker 4: But he sent him an, a telegram, and he said, "Dear Oral, God will have the last word, and it will be good." I've already used that phrase once, but that was the genesis of that phrase.

[45:06] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

[45:09] Speaker 4: Even when it looks like all has been lost, (laughs) our God can still take and redeem and deliver. Right? He's big enough to do that.

[45:21] Speaker 1: Yeah. Sometimes when I look at denominations today, I think of some of my favorite men and women in leadership in them. And, uh, one of my favorite Presbyterians was Lloyd John Oglilvie, in Hollywood, who I know your dad probably knew. But, uh, he had mentioned, um, what was it that he said? This will come back. I'm just proving to you that I'm a senior now. (laughs) He said, "Sometimes, when we face one problem after another after another, and we take hits one after another after another, the thing that we forget is the thing God's ready and wants us to remember the most. And that is to leave the world of the many. Go away. Get alone in the world of the One, where I live with you. I'm in your heart. I'm in your mind. My arms are around you. I will carry you through." And that tied in somewhere with that famous one we all remember probably about the sets of footprints on the sand. And why were there just two? Because He carried me.

[46:35] Speaker 1: And, uh, your dad, I, I put him up there on the list like that with great men of God that have said things that have changed the lives and touched the lives of people at times when none of us will ever know. But like you said, God does, and He has the last word.

[46:52] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[46:54] Speaker 1: Paul, you got a thought there? I'm looking at, uh ... There we go.

[46:59] Speaker 2: Um-

[46:59] Speaker 1: Ok.

[46:59] Speaker 4: Go ahead.

[46:59] Speaker 2: I was thinking, too, and Sheila, maybe you can address it, if, if not tonight, maybe next week. Um, God seems to, uh, as we look back, God seems to have ... He seems to purpose seasons, uh, in, in our lives.

[47:17] Speaker 1: That's right.

[47:17] Speaker 2: Uh, not only in our personal lives, but in the life of the Church. Um.

[47:22] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[47:22] Speaker 2: And I, I was thinking back, um, the time when I was, uh, at the Crystal Cathedral. I got to meet one of my very favorite authors, Bruce Larson.

[47:33] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[47:33] Speaker 2: And he was just a big guy, and then he gave, he gave me this bear hug, and I thought, "Wow, this is, that's just cool." Um, but thinking about Bruce Larson, and I know he was on staff at the Crystal Cathedral for a, for a period of time. Um, and then also people like Keith Miller and Lloyd John Oglilvie and Ray Stedman and Chuck Smith, your dad.

[47:54] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[47:54] Speaker 2: I mean, th- that, it just seemed to be a ... I, I don't think we necessarily fully realized that season that we were in when we were in it. And, and looking back, we can pull things out of that. Um, but what do you think about capturing the moments that God gives us? You know? Do you have any thoughts about that?

[48:18] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[48:18] Speaker 4: I have. I've done a lot of thinking about that. Because, you know, the Jesus revolution took place in our, in my backyard. We were all... Chuck Smith was down in Costa Mesa, which is not that far from where we were in Garden Grove. And then Melody Land, anybody remember Melody Land?

[48:38] Speaker 1: Yes. (laughs)

[48:38] Speaker 4: Was also not that far from us in Anaheim. And our church and all three churches were booming, and that was the Jesus revolution. That was the revival. And it began in Orange County, which is where I still am. And I had a front row seat to that as well. Um, so it was (laughs) ... Those are ... It amazes me, because I look back on my life and, and I took for granted what I got to be a part of-

[49:06] Speaker 1: Yeah. Mm-hmm.

[49:06] Speaker 4: ... from the time I was a little, little girl.

[49:09] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[49:10] Speaker 4: And so, I believe that God, God-... allowed that. He did choose me to be born to Dr. Robert Schuller, right?

[49:18] Speaker 1: Amen. (laughs)

[49:18] Speaker 4: (laughs) I mean, that's what Dad used to say. He used to say, "You don't get to choose who your parents are going to be."

[49:23] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[49:23] Speaker 4: You know? And now that I'm a parent, you don't get to choose who your kids are going to be either, I'm going to tell you.

[49:28] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[49:30] Speaker 4: (laughs) And, um, but, but it was... I look back on it and I think, I really, really did have a chance to be... have... again, I got front row seat to so mu- many of God's movements, first in the '50s and then in the '70s. And now, God has had to trust what's going on to baby boomers.

[49:56] Speaker 1: Hmm. Yeah. (laughs)

[49:58] Speaker 4: And I'm going, "You... W- did, did you really, really plan this, God?"

[50:04] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[50:04] Speaker 4: "We baby boomers. Are you kidding me?"

[50:07] Speaker 9: We want to relax. (laughs)

[50:09] Speaker 4: No, it's not just that. Because we are. We are... He's not letting any of us retire, I'll tell you that.

[50:14] Speaker 1: Yeah, we're rolling now. Yeah.

[50:16] Speaker 4: And, um, but... and we... yeah, there's... that's, that's for next week as well, but the idea that baby boomers, 'cause I was not... I used to watch baby boomers 'cause I was one, and I'm going, "I'm not part of this generation. No, thank you."

[50:27] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[50:28] Speaker 9: (laughs)

[50:28] Speaker 4: "You guys are all crazy." You know, they were dropping acid and living w- wild and free, and I'm going-

[50:34] Speaker 1: Groovy, yeah. (laughs)

[50:35] Speaker 4: ... "No, no, no." Groovy. Oh, man. So, but, um, yeah. But the... my husband, I met him through the ministry. And when he came, he was a hippie. (laughs)

[50:50] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[50:50] Speaker 4: And long hair and all. And, um, my dad needed an artist, and he hired an artist, and somebody called my dad, and said, "Do you know that that artist that you just hired, that Jim Coleman, do you know that he's not Christian?" Typical dad. (laughs)

[51:09] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[51:09] Speaker 4: He said, "Well, I can't think of a better place for a non-Christian than church, can you?" (laughs)

[51:14] Speaker 9: (laughs)

[51:15] Speaker 1: (laughs) Amen.

[51:16] Speaker 4: (laughs) And he says, he says, "The church is not a museum for saints, it's a hospital for sinners."

[51:23] Speaker 1: That's... amen. Amen.

[51:25] Speaker 4: And we just loved my husband to death. And, (laughs) and then he... we just loved him and loved him. And, uh, we watched him. And I didn't... I was... just knew him from afar, really. Just did some work with him whenever I needed the art department, and he was the art department. And, um, didn't know he had a problem with drinking. Didn't know any of that. But he was a hippie, no question about it. Um, uh, went to school barefoot and had the long hair, the whole bit. (laughs) And I was like a little librarian. I was a very typical sheltered pastor's kid.

[52:02] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[52:04] Speaker 4: But then one day, coming home from Las Vegas on a party bus, and he'd been drinking, he looked in the mirror in the bathroom, and he said, "Jesus, I can't do this anymore. I need help."

[52:16] Speaker 1: Amen. That's right. Amen. Yeah.

[52:18] Speaker 4: And he, and he can't... to this day, you know, that was 50 years ago just about. He, uh, he's, he's, is still... he'd still... if he were here, he'd well up. He'd be crying. He still... he can't talk about it because he still feels... he knows that the Lord Jesus saved him and rescued him from that day on, and, and, um-

[52:38] Speaker 1: Amen.

[52:38] Speaker 4: ... so that's... so if it weren't for my dad and the message, his message, his ministry, you know, I wouldn't even have my husband and I wouldn't have my four sons. I wouldn't have all these amazing blessings. I... you know, I-

[52:52] Speaker 1: That's right.

[52:52] Speaker 4: ... I truly say every day, "Lord, you know, I am so blessed." And, and, and I have a granddaughter who I'm going to talk about more next week, but her name's Tinsley Grace. Oh, wait till you hear this story next week. I'm... this is a teaser.

[53:04] Speaker 1: Well-

[53:05] Speaker 4: This is a teaser. I'm not going to tell-

[53:06] Speaker 1: ... we got... we have two minutes. We have two minutes.

[53:08] Speaker 4: Yeah. So-

[53:08] Speaker 1: Give us 30 seconds on it. Give us a tease.

[53:10] Speaker 4: She says... I say to her, "Repeat after me, Tinsley. We... I am blessed and highly favored." And Tinsley says, "Grandma, I am blessed and highly flavored." (laughs)

[53:22] Speaker 9: (laughs)

[53:22] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[53:24] Speaker 9: That's priceless.

[53:24] Speaker 1: That's a good interpretation. Look what God does, huh? Amen.

[53:27] Speaker 4: And I say, "What flavor are you, Tinsley?" (laughs)

[53:31] Speaker 9: (laughs)

[53:31] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[53:31] Speaker 4: More on that-

[53:32] Speaker 1: It's good.

[53:32] Speaker 4: ... more on that next week. (laughs)

[53:34] Speaker 1: You're going to like her, Gran. You're going to like it. Amen.

[53:36] Speaker 4: That we're blessed and highly favored.

[53:37] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[53:37] Speaker 4: Blessed and highly favored.

[53:39] Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, we're so, again, thankful you're listening in tonight. We can see from some of the correspondence things taking place here. Want to remind you very quickly that our website, uh, quick word. You... normally, Stephanie, Stephanie does this for us, but, uh, if you go to bbsradio.com/raisingexpectations, you'll find right there our website, and you'll see, uh, it'll tell you the story about what we're about, our program. You'll see them listed first thing on the page. Uh, you'll also get... uh, there's a Venmo page there. Uh, if, if the Lord leads you to help us out, this ministry is run completely, uh, by gifts from each of you. And thank you for gifts as none too great or small to help us to stay on the air, on radio and television. We get comments from around the world each week. You wouldn't believe the things that are happening, from Pakistan to Uganda to Rwanda, and other places that we hear from, let alone the 50 states here hearing from folks.

[54:34] Speaker 1: So, you'll find on that page, as you scroll down, all of our programs back for five years. You'll be able to tap in. You can either listen or pick up the wa- and watch it. It's right there for you. And also, you'll find our, um, uh, our books there. Uh, Legitimate Faith, and, uh, and also Saved. You'll find Dr. Thayer's book there. So, just wanted you to know, with our time gone right now, that, uh, we hope you looked at that. As God leads you in your heart, pray for us. Most important thing is the power of prayer. And, uh, that's kind of tied to the hour of power. That's a good one, isn't it? (laughs) Amen. Remember that one. That's so important. So, uh, we just... Sheila, we want to thank you, Dr. Sheila. We want to call you by your name there. Want to thank you for being with us. And we are so looking forward to next week. And you'll be in our prayers as you have been through the week.

[55:23] Speaker 1: And, uh, we can't wait to find out next week, not only what you have to share, but about what flavor she is for next week. So, that's going to really be a home run we're looking for. Tank, good to see you. Give Steph a hug. Paul, good to see you, brother. And we'll be, we'll be praying for Steph too. And so, ladies and gentlemen, on behalf of everybody here, God bless you and keep you. It's only Monday. Just think what we can do in the next four days. So, have a great report by Sunday, share with everybody, and watch them respond to the power of God in your life. Remember, (laughs) what's my favorite book title again? Uh, Tough Times Never Last, But Tough People Do. I sign up for the tough people. How about you? God bless and keep you. Till next week. See you then. Bye-bye.

[56:05] Speaker 9: Bye.

[56:05] Speaker 4: Thank you, Sheila.

[56:06] Speaker 1: Thank you, Sheila. Nice job.

[56:08] Speaker 4: Thank you, Sheila.

[56:08] Speaker 9: Thank you. Thank you. God bless you.

[56:12] Speaker 1: Friends, thanks for joining us on this week's program of Raising Expectations. We profoundly hope you found it engaging and, at times, humorous, but most of all uplifting, so that we may with you, one topic at a time each week, become more encouraged to move forward to an exciting future in, as we always say, this thing called life in America today. So, let not your hearts be troubled. Your family, finances, faith, freedom. It can be a great future as we talk, listen, respect, and pull together. Please let me hear from you. You can reach me at 972-922-8556. That's 972-922-8556, or Joe Schofield on Facebook or LinkedIn. It'd be a pleasure to know you, and we hope you'll listen in again next week on the BBS Radio Network.