Speaker Identification
Speaker 1 - Announcer / show introduction and public-service segments.
Speaker 2 - Host: Mary Jane Popp.
Speaker 3 - Guest: Dr. Steven Furlich, author of Sex Talk.
Speaker 4 - Public Service Announcements.
Speaker 5 - Guest: Vincent Genna, psychic therapist, spiritual teacher, author, and host of The Genna Effect.

Speaker 1 - Announcer
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Speaker 2 - Host: Mary Jane Popp
You betcha. We got to go and thanks, Mike. I appreciate that. Seriously, little something for
everyone in this one. A little later on, we'll be talking with Vincent Genna. They call him a
visionary. He's a psychic therapist. He's a medium. A lot of different things. We're going to
talk about fulfill your dreams. That's going to be coming up, but in the meantime, while we're
thinking about fulfilling our dreams, what about this thing called sex talk? Hey, hey, hey,
don't get ahead of me. We're going to have a good one on this one. Wait till you hear. [Brief
musical bumper plays.] Well, are you sure that's the one that you really want to be with? Well,
it's time for some sex talk. Now, don't get too excited. There's some real talk about how
biological sex affects communication. Now it's not the intersection of, I should say it is,
about the intersection of biology and communication and how biological sex influences gender
communication differences throughout our life stages. Well, we looked at Dr. Steven Furlich and
his over two decades researching communication at the university level to shed light on that
relationship. And he shares all that information in his book called sex talk. Nice to have you
with us, Dr. Steven Furlich.

Speaker 3 - Guest: Dr. Steven Furlich
Thanks, Mary Jane. It's nice to talk about the topic with you.

Speaker 2 - Host: Mary Jane Popp
Define gender communication and why they're different.

Speaker 3 - Guest: Dr. Steven Furlich
So one of the things I tried to do with the title of my book, sex talk, was sort of a... I know
you did it. You wanted to get my attention. That's why. I was trying to get on the radio. Yeah,
there you go. You did it. So biological sex is what's our biology made of? Our chromosomes, our
sex hormones, our brain structures, things like that. Whereas with gender is how do we express
those things? How do we communicate? How do we dress? How do we act? How do we perceive and
understand? So the gender is more of the social aspect of it. And then the biological sex is
more of the biology behind it. So with the title itself, I try to play on it. How our
biological sex influences the way that we talk communicate.

Speaker 2 - Host: Mary Jane Popp
So I can understand how gender is the social. That can be changed, but the biological, aren't
we stuck with it?

Speaker 3 - Guest: Dr. Steven Furlich
That's a good point and a good question. And that's one of the things that I try to stress
throughout my book is to understand yourself and other people based upon biological sex because
you can only change it so much. So there's a few things that could change it such as lifestyle,
diet, exercise. Those things could shift your sex hormone levels, different experiences. But
for the most part, I take this stand throughout my book that well over 50% of the way that we
communicate is based upon our biological sex.

Speaker 2 - Host: Mary Jane Popp
Yeah, please. How the influence is it?

Speaker 3 - Guest: Dr. Steven Furlich
So at conception, everybody pretty much starts off similarly on the same track of what we
usually think of as female. Much easier to make a girl than as a boy. And then about four
months after conception, that's when the sex hormones kick in. And so sex hormones that create
differences in the brain structures between males and females, whereas science can now analyze
a human brain with over 90% accuracy predicted if it's male or female. And then after my book
came out, a new study from Stanford, they actually looked at the brain activation in the way
that we think cognitively in social situations and other ways as well. They can see different
areas activated at different intensities and predict over 90% if it's male or female. So with
the human brain itself, it's not only the structure, but the activation, but then the sex
hormones themselves, adult males tend to have about 20 times as much testosterone and adult
females tend to have about 20 times as much estrogen. And those things influence our behavior
as well. So sort of a puzzle. I always talk about that. It's pieces of the puzzle that we're
trying to put together and all those factors influence the way that we perceive, understand,
communicate.

Speaker 2 - Host: Mary Jane Popp
But what about upbringing, influence, environment? What that makes changes?

Speaker 3 - Guest: Dr. Steven Furlich
So one of the things, the way I see it is that we're born on a particular continuum. So on a
particular point on a line, and we could shift on that line to some degree, but I haven't seen
anything in some of the topics that I discussed, such as language ability, some spatial
ability, nonverbal understanding of those areas where you could actually overcome it become
much better than the opposite sex, so to say. So my point is you can improve, but you can't
really, for example, females from early age through adulthood are always better at nonverbal
communication, understanding of other people and there's biological reasons for it. So
regardless of how much social impact it has on a boy, for the most part, they're never going to
have that ability as what girls do because of those biological factors.

Speaker 2 - Host: Mary Jane Popp
So what about the guys? So the guys ourselves were at disadvantage when it comes to nonverbal
understanding. That's one of the things that in relationships people need to understand. Well,
don't they have, okay, I understand what you're saying. Females more nonverbal, I make a
question that, because I think we're a lot more verbal than you think. Nonverbal understanding.
Understand. The if I understand people much better than what males do. Oh, okay. So there's got
to be something that males do that females don't. Like what?

Speaker 3 - Guest: Dr. Steven Furlich
So one of the things that there's a number of things rather consistently, what's been found is
that males are much better when it comes to spatial ability. Now, wait, what is spatial
ability? Directions, motion, action, stuff like that. So it's been found consistently that
males do much better cardinal directions towards southeastern West and also like hand-eye
coordination, directions, following objects, boys at early age tend to follow objects, whereas
with girls, they turn, look at faces much more so. So they're much interested in social aspect
girls are. And then boys much more into objects. Oh, okay. So another thing is, yeah, this is
something interesting that I think relationships may help. And you asked, where are the things
that males do that we're better at? Rest in, which are much better. So I have a chapter,
chapter 13 is called the man trance. So we could shut off the rest of the world and just rest
much easier than what females can do. And found that females have much much more of a heart
rate variability when they rest. So it's more activity that's going on. And part of that is due
to emotions and that there's more of the emotional stimuli even trying to rest.

Speaker 2 - Host: Mary Jane Popp
Oh, that seems so. So taking that into relationships, she needs to understand that if he's
trying to rest or just watch in TV, it's not probably the best time to have a conversation. You
know, it's interesting that you say that because I had Doc. This was quite a few years ago when
Dr. John Gray came out with his book, Men Are from Mars, Women are from Venus. And he basically
said, you know, if the guy is sitting there reading or whatever, and he's kind of in his own
little cave, don't try to communicate because there's not going to be there. It's just not
there. All it is going to frustrate both you. He's going to get agitated that you're
interrupting him. And she's going to get agitated because he's not listening. Exactly.

Speaker 3 - Guest: Dr. Steven Furlich
So, so how did the two come together? I mean, you'll work these things out. The best thing is
to empathize and understand from the others person's perspective. So for example, with the
communication itself, the exact same intention can be understood differently. So females, like
as we already talked about, are much superior when it comes to nonverbal communication,
understand that other people. So she's going to look into the nonverbal behaviors of the other
person at a much deeper level and have a much deeper understanding beyond just the words
themselves. Whereas with the male, it's going to have a much more literal understanding of
what's being said. Part of the reason why some of the reasons behind that is that females have
higher levels of oxytocin during social interactions. That's that bonding chemical. So they
empathize, understand that the person better. They have more mirror neurons that are activated
that prepares your body to display the same nonverbal behaviors that you see someone else. So
therefore you have a similar emotional experience to understand them better. But one of the
biggest things that came across to me is, um, and as far as I'm concerned, this time is
settled, is that females have a much more interconnected brain. They have more connections
across both hemispheres. Males were more connections within each hemisphere. So it allows her
to access and she has more overall brain activation during social interactions. So it allows
her to connect to different areas of her brain to analyze the nonverbal and also participate in
the conversation and kind of emotion as well. Whereas with that's male, we're much more
compartmentalized. We could do one or the other or the other, but expect us to do all three at
the same time. It's much more difficult. So I so one of the things to understand from his
perspective is that he's going to understand much more literally what's being said. And from
her perspective, she's going to read much more into beyond just the words and into the
nonverbal behaviors as well.

Speaker 2 - Host: Mary Jane Popp
Yeah, that gets us in trouble. It really is. So here's something I'll throw out there. Okay.
Maybe controversial or not. And you could comment on it.

Speaker 3 - Guest: Dr. Steven Furlich
Um, sort of my opinion that maybe sometimes because of this. Superior nonverbal ability by
women, sometimes they over analyze things. Yeah. And over think it and that gets over
complicated. And then sometimes us males, we over simplify it.

Speaker 2 - Host: Mary Jane Popp
You know, it's interesting that you say that because one of the things that Dr. John Gray said
is on the other side, you know, like you come home after work or whatever both. And if he is in
his own little cave, got to leave him there, don't bother him. But the other thing too is that
he said, once you understand from the male point of view that she needs to talk and she needs
to verbalize what happened to her all day. And unfortunately, no, correct me if I'm wrong. He
said that the male will then try to solve the problem if she's, you know, complaining about
something and she really is not looking for a solution. She's just looking for you to listen.
She needs a sounding board. Is that true?

Speaker 3 - Guest: Dr. Steven Furlich
And that's the thing that that really supports what I just said is that we take things much
more literal. So she's talking about a problem than literally that's what the topic is, the
problem and it's not at a deeper level that she needs that emotional bond in through
conversation because during social interactions, that helps calm her down, having a higher low
of oxytocin, that bonding chemical. Got you.

Speaker 2 - Host: Mary Jane Popp
Yeah, it is just interesting because sometimes my husband, I haven't passed away recently, but
he were married for almost 53 years. And I think, you know, you learn the differences between
the two. But I used to come home and I'd have this problem or this problem and I wanted to
talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. He got to a point where, you know, he understood. I just needed
to vent. I didn't need any solution to the problems because there probably wasn't a solution to
the problem anyway. But just to listen, same thing with him. If I saw that he was kind of in
his own little world there, just back off, it's time to back off, there'll be a time when I
start my fencing. So it's a matter of understanding each other, right?

Speaker 3 - Guest: Dr. Steven Furlich
Yes, and having that open communication where you sit aside, the time for whatever, the
conversation, whatever, where both people agree upon it. Instead of just springing them on
someone.

Speaker 2 - Host: Mary Jane Popp
Yeah, it is amazing how if you understand each other, I used to, I have a terrible temper much
worse when I was younger. Now it's not quite so bad, but I was really bad. And, you know, it's
like the old saying, you can have a temper and you want to argue with someone or for something.
But if you don't have anybody to argue with, it doesn't do any good. So he was always the rock.
He was just kind of waiting there. He let me go up the wall, across the ceiling, back down the
wall. And then I got back down by then I'm tired. You know, so I don't want to. I and he's not
arguing with me. You can't argue with yourself, you know, entirely. It just doesn't work. So
you know, if you have that ying and yang that it works, right? Yes.

Speaker 3 - Guest: Dr. Steven Furlich
And that's the point of my book is to understand from the other person's perspective, not just,
you know, from your own. Yeah, it's just. Where their needs.

Speaker 2 - Host: Mary Jane Popp
Yeah, but getting there sometimes is very difficult because they don't want to understand. You
have to want to not change, but accommodate. I guess it's the word. Is that a good word?

Speaker 3 - Guest: Dr. Steven Furlich
So you can't think of a relationship with two separate people. There's a lot of overlap between
them. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 - Host: Mary Jane Popp
Now you don't be to I used to always laugh and we didn't use this in our marriage vows, but the
two become one. That's bull. You know, sorry. You don't become one. You understand each other.
So like you said, overlap and move on to the next thing, but you don't become this one. You
have parallel tracks. That's what I used to think of parallel tracks. Sometimes they'll cross,
but most of the time they just go straight forward and you understand each other. But don't
give me this stuff about to becoming one because. It's doggone near impossible. I don't know
how you would do it.

Speaker 3 - Guest: Dr. Steven Furlich
Yeah. You're going to think the same, do the same. Yeah. You know, and like the same. And it's
not healthy. You need to have some individual identity as well. And the other thing is it would
be boring. You know, both of you. It'd be like the whole world thinks the same does the same
are the same. That would be a very boring world. Seriously. That's one of the things that. Why
I wrote my book is I became frustrated with the majority of the research out there on gender
communication was from a social learning aspect. So the way we're brought up culture of family
that's that and the other. But yeah, I kept seeing the same themes of differences over and
over. From different time periods, different cultures. So then therefore I thought there was a
biological aspect to it. So the point I'm trying to make is there's it became, like you said,
uninteresting to hear that that's just all social learning where there's a whole other world
out there that there's just not addressed. There's not enough diversity of thought.

Speaker 2 - Host: Mary Jane Popp
No, I wonder if maybe that's the reason divorce is so prominent, you know. I wonder if that has
anything to do with it.

Speaker 3 - Guest: Dr. Steven Furlich
Yeah, I think so. If you talk about divorce, I don't know. It seems to be quite more popular
today or in recent times that it's been found that the majority of people who file for divorce
over age 50 and filed by the woman. Oh, yeah, really? Yes. So why did she just set up? I don't
understand. Ha ha ha. It's probably a number of reasons for it. And part of it is what happens
around age 40 to 50 is menopause starts to kick in and then estrogen levels for her start to
drop. So that changes her, which is going to change the relationship. And he probably becomes
complacent at that time in the relationship because it's been so long. And like we already
talked about before that, us males, we just don't pick up on the cues nearly as much that she's
changing. The relationship is changing. So therefore, that's probably one of the driving
factors as well.

Speaker 2 - Host: Mary Jane Popp
Amazing. So that's what you were talking about in your book when you talk about the stages of
life.

Speaker 3 - Guest: Dr. Steven Furlich
So from a teenager to a super senior, a lot of changes. Yes. So when menopause kicks in,
estrogen decreases. Depression is more largely to increase cognitive decline. Verbal memory
decreases, less than inability, muscle loss, bone density, sexual problems, all those things
influence her. So why would you expect the relationship not to change? But yet, like we already
talked about, it's been found that it takes much more mental effort and it's much more
difficult for us males to process relationship type of information. So these things are all
going on. And if he's not picking up on it, you can see how that changes the whole relationship
and probably not for the better.

Speaker 2 - Host: Mary Jane Popp
What about the changes they talk about? And thank God my husband was not that way. But you
know, he gets to a point, I don't know, 50 years old, you know, maybe 60, I don't know what the
time is. But you know, you got to buy a Corvette or a Porsche or, you know, you're looking at
two two twenties instead of the 40 year old woman you're married to, you know, that type of
thing. Is that is that what happens to a male?

Speaker 3 - Guest: Dr. Steven Furlich
I'm guessing with that, you know, dramatically testosterone levels start to decrease by that.
And testosterone is related to aggression, power, status, all those types of things. So maybe
it's substitutions for the testosterone level of decreasing. So when you're younger, you have
to hire lots of testosterone. And that's the power aggression status. And then when your
testosterone decreases, how do you maintain or replace power status and aggression? A new car,
a red one.

Speaker 2 - Host: Mary Jane Popp
And talking about the communication thing, it is, you know, if you can talk with each other so
that you understand that these things will happen. Because I went through menopause and I had
this, you know, the same typical things that everybody do, get some depression, you have mood
swings and all that kind of thing. So I just, you know, sat down with my husband and I said,
you know, I'm going to have this, I'm going into menopause. It's going to happen to me. So I'll
warn you, you know, when it's coming, I'll just say, probably a good idea, Rick, leave the
room, you know, and then we'll be okay. And they used to work out like a charm, you know? He
said, that's the thing is, if you didn't say that, he would know what's going on and probably
think that he did something. Yeah, there you go. So she's she's depressed because I said
something wrong. Yeah. And they didn't, you know, it's just, I don't know, life or something on
that as well. Okay.

Speaker 3 - Guest: Dr. Steven Furlich
That within the given month, you know, for women, if we're productive age or whatever, with
their hormonal changes within the month, that when their estrogen levels are high, then they
focus much more on intimacy. They had that more of that sexual desire, but as a pro to
ovulation, but then as estrogen levels decrease, then they concentrate much more on food and
calorie intake. So they either think about intimacy as estrogen levels are high or and then
when estrogen levels drop, then they think more about the food and calorie intake. So he needs
to be aware of it that if she's not in the mood for sexual intimacy, it may not have much to do
with him. It may just be that that part of the month on her estrogen levels are much lower. So
it goes back to our basic needs, our needs for survival, the food, low estrogen and high
estrogen reproduction with the intimacy.

Speaker 2 - Host: Mary Jane Popp
Fantastic. Hey, we're a lot more complicated than we think, you know, especially for us. Yeah.

Speaker 3 - Guest: Dr. Steven Furlich
Now, do you have a website? Yes. Dr. Steven Furlich.com. Okay. Spell it for him. Spell it out.
Oh, okay. DrStevenFurlich.com. Terrific. And your book sex talk, I assume it's available every
place. Yeah. Uh, yeah. So the easiest way is just to go on Amazon book category and then just
type in my last name, Furlich F U R L I C H and then it pops right up. Terrific.

Speaker 2 - Host: Mary Jane Popp
Great conversation. You're welcome to come back anytime because sex is always fun to talk
about. Thanks for having me, Mary Jane. And, uh, interesting to hear your life experience is
tie into what I found in the book. Oh, you know, it's one of those things. Once you live it and
you can, if you can explain it, then it's, it's best. So that's why it's good to have a book
like yours. Now, I want to think that I find most gratifying is when someone says that they can
relate to it from personal experience. You betcha. Take good care and I hope things work out
for you too. Are you married? Uh, no. We will. I just write about it. Oh, you just try to help
out. I love it. How old are you? Uh, 47. Oh, you got a long way to go. Anyway, take care and
I'll talk to you again soon. Okay, thank you. You bet.

Dr. Steven Furlich. And again, it's sex talk. How biological sex influences gender
communication differences throughout the life stages and boy, I'm going to test to that.

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Speaker 2 - Host: Mary Jane Popp
Well, let's change this from talking about sex. In sex talk, that was the name of the book,
we're going to be talking about, I don't know, do you feel like life is holding you back and
you don't know why? Well, we're going to check in with psychic therapist, spiritual teacher and
author of the secret that's holding you back, Vincent Genna. Now he wants to explore our inner
beliefs and gives us guidance on how we can tap into our super conscious and soul minds and
unlock infinite new possibilities. Vincent is known as the visionary of our times. He is a
psychic. He is a medium. He also has his own podcast called The Genna Effect. Vincent, it's
been too long since we've talked.

Speaker 5 - Guest: Vincent Genna
Absolutely, Mary Jane, but you know what? You know, when it comes to time, there is no such
thing as time. We connect as if we just spoke yesterday. So that always happened. Thank you for
having me back on the show.

Speaker 2 - Host: Mary Jane Popp
Now, define conscious and consciousness or super conscious. You know, I've had so many
different definitions. I don't understand what the heck it is anymore.

Speaker 5 - Guest: Vincent Genna
Oh, that's really interesting. Well, Sigmund Freud is the one that really did the work on the
human mind and divided it into three sections. Okay, so the smallest section, which only
accounts to two to five percent is our awareness or our consciousness, our awareness is our
ability to see things, take in things, be able to think, talk to somebody, communicate,
understand something. It's an awakened state of being in mind. Okay, so that's our awakened
consciousness, our awareness. Then there is a subconscious part. I'll come back to the
subconscious part in the moment. The third part he defined was the unconscious part because he
believed that there wasn't knowing that took place within human without knowing why we knew.
Right? So that that had to come from an area of our mind, an area of our ability or our
existence that we really couldn't define that much, but that we had to know existed because we
know the difference between right and wrong. We automatically knew certain things that they
also called intuition. Where was that all coming from? So he labeled it the unconscious mind.

Speaker 2 - Host: Mary Jane Popp
It's sort of like Deja Vu, right?

Speaker 5 - Guest: Vincent Genna
Well, that's part of it. That's actually something a little bit different. Deja Vu is actually
tapping into the future without knowing that you're tapping into the future. Okay, that's what
Deja Vu actually is.

But then there's the middle part between the conscious mind and the unconscious mind, which is
the subconscious mind. That's the part that's automatic. It's all beneath our awareness that
happens on its own, but that's the part of the mind that controls your breathing, controls your
heartbeat automatically. So all the physical things that happen automatically, he stated is the
subconscious mind that's causing that. But the subconscious mind also causes automatic thinking
and behaviors. Now, what trains the subconscious mind into those that behavior or the thinking
is the conscious mind and the unconscious mind. So once you grow up, many things fall down into
the unconscious level now, even though you have memories, those memories still come from that
unconscious part that you could pull to the surface. Little Mary Jane is in there in the
unconscious mind, all the things that she experienced while she was growing up, all people have
that in their unconscious mind.

Speaker 2 - Host: Mary Jane Popp
No, wait, wait, wait, I'm growing up. That's where I'm getting the unconscious mind. Can I get
unconscious mind from other lifetimes?

Speaker 5 - Guest: Vincent Genna
Well, yes, you can add to the unconscious, your present mind can come in with that. You take
your mind with you, by the way, your mind is where my going. I'm taking it and I'm going where.
Well, where we came from. There is that dimension. Now, we're going off into subjects, throwing
it definitely a tangent. But it's also part of who we are. We came from the spiritual realm
before the physical realm. The physical realm did not exist here first. Okay, we will create it
as energy beings from that intelligent source spirit. Whatever you want to call it, but a
higher level of power that then divided part of itself into us. So we are the spiritual being
and as spiritual beings, when we will create it, we will create it with still the ability to
think, to feel, to reason. And that was a mind that was given to us because there'd be no sense
in creating something that didn't have the ability to recognize itself or anything else. Right?
That's what the intelligence was now to try to understand that completely. We're not meant to
in this physical realm. All we're meant to do is to understand as best we can and accept this
best we can where we come from. Okay, so now a physical world was created and all the all
different physical world were created for us to be able to go to experience ourselves. So we
are filled with all the knowing because once we were created and created in its image, that
means we know what it knows, what source knows. But we don't know we know it and we don't know
what it is until you experience it. It's like when you go to school, there's all these subjects
you learn and everybody wants to know, why do I have to learn science? Why do I have to learn
algebra? Well, of course, you don't know why you have to learn it while you're learning it. But
then you figure it out once you experience it. So you go to the store and you've got a job and
you buy your first pair of jeans and it's 20% off. And now you go, oh, that's what a percentage
is. Oh, I get it now. And so you understand and finally know that you'll experience it. Yeah,
you learned you experience it. So we're here to experience everything we already that's built
inside of us that we know. So that becomes consciousness.

Speaker 2 - Host: Mary Jane Popp
Okay, now we are all made of energy, right? Yeah, that was the degree on that. And I remember
when I was a little Catholic girl, so little kid in catechism and grade school, parochial
school, of course, it said, you know, God always was and always will be. Well, excuse me, isn't
that the definition of energy always was always will be can change forms, but it never goes
away. Yes, absolutely. That is the exact definition of energy. Hmm. Okay, so we just change for
when we go over the spiritual world because you're a medium to so I'm going to get you in.
Yeah, I'm going to jump in all over the place, but I think it'll give me a little more
perspective as a medium when we pass over if we're still energy. What do we change to or do we
change?

Speaker 5 - Guest: Vincent Genna
We do. We actually have an energy form. All energy has a certain form. We tend to think of it
as just scattered particles floating around in space. Yeah, but it actually isn't. It has a
form. Matter of fact, you can see energy during a thunderstorm. You see certain energy, those
lightning bolts. Yeah, our form of energy, right? It's a form. It's not just scattered all over
the place. Yeah, you actually see the form of this energy. Okay. Another form of energy, it
would be an explosion. So fireworks, you see fireworks and they have a form, right? They know
how to put these particles together that once ignited, create this energy and energy in a
specific form. So energy can take a form and we have that form.

Speaker 2 - Host: Mary Jane Popp
Oh, please. That I got to hear. All right. Okay.

Speaker 5 - Guest: Vincent Genna
I want you to take the vision of an angel with its wings wide open. Male or female doesn't
matter. Well, the wings are wide open. We see these beautiful wings. They're spread out really,
really far, right? Now I want you to imagine taking a pencil and drawing an outline around that
entire angel. All right. So you start with the head. You got a little round there. Now you go
all the way up to the wing on one end. Now you come down and then go to the body, go all the
way down to the feet together, the feet are together, kind of thing. And then a little turn and
now you go up and you're going up and now you're doing the other way and you're coming around
and you're connecting it to the top of the head. Now take the picture of the energy, the
picture of the angel out. And what you're left with is our form. That's how an energy and
that's how an angel was created. Is the angel actually represents our form with our body. Oh, I
mean,

Speaker 2 - Host: Mary Jane Popp
angel, what are you saying, angels were human?

Speaker 5 - Guest: Vincent Genna
No, no, no, no, angel. Well, the picture we've created of angels in human form with wings is
actually our shape as energies. Oh, Okay. And that's why we created. Why would we create a
human with wings? Why did we need to put wings on and then call it an angel? Right? It's
because we knew to be down inside in our unconscious mind. What we look like in form. And so as
humans with a human body, we create things in human form.

Speaker 2 - Host: Mary Jane Popp
Didn't we create God in our form?

Speaker 5 - Guest: Vincent Genna
Yeah. We gave this old man with white hair and a big beard, white beard. And that's God. Well,
I'll be honest with you. That's so silly. I know it's very silly, but that's the way we. It's a
way of us being able to understand, to unify and understand. Right? So we make everything
physical. Yeah, we make everything physical, including deities like angels and God.

angels and our angels will are angels never had an incarnation here. That's what makes them
are. Angel. And regular angels had one or two incarnations here, specifically to help someone
out, but both don't have any karma or anything that they have to take care of, that they made a
mistake or anything like that. That's why they advanced so much. Because they never came down
here on earth to make a whole bunch of mistakes. Yeah. Like we have. Yeah, over and over again,
probably. Yeah, exactly. We don't need to keep doing that. But that's again, we're trying to
fix things that are conscious mind and our thinking process, which gets in the way. And and and
that's actually one of the reasons why we hold ourselves back. There are anomalies that go on
with the human mind and the brain that have caused our own blockages in order to help us
survive. Okay.

Speaker 2 - Host: Mary Jane Popp
So what's that secret that's holding us back? The fact that we don't believe what we think we
believe. Oh, wait, now you're getting so esoteric here. We don't say that again. We don't
believe what we think we believe. So what do we believe?

Speaker 5 - Guest: Vincent Genna
We believe that we're not good enough. We believe that we're not smart enough. We believe that
we're not lovable. We believe that we're not worthy enough of deserving enough. And all those
beliefs were established for us as we were growing up from receiving all the negative messages
from the environment. And that's from our parents and adults in our lives. That's what's been
passed down from generation to generation. I call them the I'm not. I'm not good enough. I'm
not smart enough. I'm not deserving enough. I'm not worthy enough. I'm not.

Speaker 2 - Host: Mary Jane Popp
Why do we do that? So why do we do that?

Speaker 5 - Guest: Vincent Genna
We create well, first of all, with children, we have undeveloped mind. But the human brain must
always survive. The two highest functions of the brain is one to keep us alive and two to
protect us in order to keep us alive, to keep us going. But as children, that's underdeveloped,
but it still has the motivation to come up with some kind of answer. So now you come into this
world from a loving place from the other side, the other dimension, right? And here we are
experiencing life and bad things happen. Our parents are fighting all the time. They get a
divorce or we're getting abused emotionally, physically, sexually. And we have to answer that.
The brain must come up with some kind of answer to the conflict of what is going on? What is
wrong? Why am I going through this? Why is this hurt so much? And the brain answers it in the
simplest form that it can. And as it's undeveloped and we don't have reasoning ability yet, it
comes up with the answer, it must be me. It must be me. It must be because I'm not lovable.
Mommy and daddy are breaking up because it's me. It's my fault. And the truth of that comes
out. I'm a social worker. I am still, but when I was a practicing social worker and social
workers that I knew that were working for family services would have to go in and remove
children from abusive parents, right? Or abusive situations, right? And as they're taking the
kid out, the kid is yelling, screaming, don't, don't take me from mommy and daddy. It's my
fault. It's my fault. I make them bad. I make them upset. It's me. All right. Well, guess what?

We do that as adults too. We go into and try to protect women that are in domestic violence
situation. And when we try to teach them to leave that situation, yes, what they turn around
and say, it's not his fault for abusing me. It's me. I make him mad. So even as adults with the
developed mind that inner voice wants to say, it's me. I'm bad. I'm wrong. Okay.

So why does that matter? Well, now you come into this new consciousness that we're capable of
manifesting our own lives. We're capable of achieving our dream. And that's taught in the
psychology world as well as the spiritual. But we're not doing it. And it's not happening. But
we're following the books. We're following the steps. Why isn't it happening? Because creating
and manifesting is connected to our unconscious minds, not our conscious minds. And it has to
be that way. Because if it was created to your conscious mind, that would mean that whatever
you said and thought in that moment would happen. Now, Lord knows that would be a turmoil right
there because half this world would be dead already. The other half would be billionaires. I'm
constantly winning the lottery. Yeah. Okay. So it can't be there. So it's in the unconscious
part. But that means anything you believe in your unconscious part is truly what you're going
to manifest. So here's when I say our brain in the process of protecting us and those harmful
feelings of I'm not good enough, I'm not worthy enough, will never get us through life. It
would never allow us to survive. And matter of fact, we've seen people walk around with those
beliefs that are conscious. Those are the depressed ones to suffering from depression and
mental disorders, right? So our brain gives us a whole new set of beliefs in what I call the
adult may mind, it's a defensive mind to protect them. So instead of believing that I'm not
good enough, that's the reason why I'm not getting my job, the job I want because I don't
believe I'm not good enough. It's his fault that I'm not getting the job. It's her fault that I
have a bad relationship. It's my neighbor's fault that I'm miserable in my house all the time.
So we come up with all these different new beliefs and excuses so that we can cope in life. We
can't cope thinking I'm a piece of dirt. I'm no good. I'm unworthy. Do you believe somebody
else? Yeah. So we blame somebody else, but in the same process now, right? Now we're trying to
get on that spiritual path and we're not going to blame anybody else. And we have all these
wonderful affirmations. I'm good enough. I'm smart enough. I'm lovable, you know, believing
yourself, believing God. I believe in all of this. Really. But that's what we think we believe
on the conscious level. But on the unconscious level, that little kid is still in there with
the belief of, I'm not good enough. I'm not deserving enough. And that's the part that's
influencing the manifesting. And that's the reason why things don't happen for us.

Speaker 2 - Host: Mary Jane Popp
You also said that. That our brains purposely can see our true beliefs about ourselves. That's
not good. Why do we love that to happen?

Speaker 5 - Guest: Vincent Genna
Because we couldn't function like I said, we can't walk around believing I'm a piece of dirt.
We we wouldn't do anything. We wouldn't get out of bed. All those depressed people that they
don't have that defense mechanism. It's not working for them. Their brain hasn't created a
strong enough one. And so they are the ones that are not doing anything in life. They commit
suicide. Right? They're depressed because they have no coping mechanism. When I became a
psychotherapist, one of the first things we've learned was cognitive behavioral therapy and
techniques that teach people coping skills. Well, coping skills to keep you alive don't allow
you to manifest and become a spiritual side, because psychology is only interested in the mind
and the behaviors, not the spiritual aspect of who you are. So it's not about manifesting in a
psychological world. It's about surviving in a psychological world. So how do we are thriving
or two different things?

Speaker 2 - Host: Mary Jane Popp
So how do we open up our mind and heart or whatever we need to stop what's holding us back?

Speaker 5 - Guest: Vincent Genna
You pick up my book, The Secret That's Holding You Back. It gives you all the lessons that
they're married to. You knew I was going to say that. Yeah, of course. I'd be surprised if you
didn't. Exactly. Well, what we're needing and what my book is all about, it teaches us one that
that's happening. People have to accept that that's what's going on with them. It's not that
there's no such thing as the law of attraction or that it doesn't work or it's all bogus. The
information is not bogus. It's ancient proved that when you have those beliefs and you tap into
that truth, you can absolutely create anything you want. Okay, so you have to have that
understanding to start with. Then you have to bring to the surface those hidden beliefs. What I
do is it works. And psychologists did that as work back in the 70s. They did inner child work
because they knew that the inner child was influencing the adult. And then, of course, with
with beings of novelty and if something isn't new and exciting and novel anymore, we don't want
anything to do with it. So they forgot about the inner work and inner child work and they went
on to other things, just coping skill. Now they're going back to it again. Guess what? Now in
the advent of understanding that, hey, we're still being influenced by that little kid inside,
they're going back to that work again. So you have to bring to the surface what that child is
believing and then change those beliefs. And there's practices to be able to do that, but
that's the cure and the healing of it.

Speaker 2 - Host: Mary Jane Popp
But then I'm curious though, what are we really searching for?

Speaker 5 - Guest: Vincent Genna
Who we really are. We've forgotten. We have forgotten who we are. We wouldn't be searching
anymore if we understood it. We've been here long enough. Matter of fact, we have actually
incarnated on the planet too much. I was told by my own guide that one of the reasons why
you're seeing what's happening on the earth today is because we're imploding. Think about it.
Think about it this way. Think about it this way. We're unlimited powers and beings. And the
only time we limit ourselves is by incarnating a physical form. So what would happen if you
take all this energy as we spoke in the very beginning year and you keep compressing it, right?
You compress it into a physical life form and you keep coming back and you keep compressing it.
After a while, that energy wants to and needs to be expanded. It needs to be out there. It
needs to be open. And so energy, because it can be compressed in all different ways and used in
different ways, if you compress it too much, that becomes a bomb, doesn't it? Yeah. Exactly.
Matter of fact, it's exactly what the atom bomb is. It's compressed atom and the compressed
atoms are so powerful that they wind up exploding. So we are literally and figuratively
imploding. We're hurting ourselves with all these illnesses. And then we're exploding by
letting it out on other people. That's what you see happening on this planet. It's a bunch of
energy that's just exploding all over the place because we constantly are compressing it here.
And because we've forgotten who we are and keep coming back doing that, it's happening
automatically. But we also are forgetting who we are and allowing all of that hurt and pain
from our unconscious mind to take over and to take it out. Because if you look at people today
and it's been said, it's like adults acting like children. And I've heard people turn like, oh
my gosh, he looks like a kid having a temper tantrum. I can't believe that they did that.
They're fighting like that. And we are. It's only kids fight like that. Right? Yeah. Kids want
to hurt each other. Kids want to take their toys back. Kids want to play in the playground area
and get the other kids away. So we do the same thing as an adult. So then we do when we become
an adult, we do the same thing. Well, the whole thing is, is that. But on a mean or a little.
On a, yeah, definitely because we have more ability then. But therefore it is not the adult in
us that's doing that. It's the child. The child in us that's doing that. I'm going to say
something that sounds really off the wall. But let me finish the whole sentence. Every adult.
And when I say that, I mean, those that don't have any kind of mental disorder or the outside.
Yeah. But the majority of adults are rational, reasonable, reliable and stable. All adults are.
However, we could be maybe. No, listen, however, every child is not rational, reasonable,
reliable and stable. Therefore, when you see an adult acting unreasonably, it is not the adult
that's doing that. It's the child in the adult that's doing that. So how do we chase that child
away? Well, we don't take it away. That's what I said. We bring that child's beliefs to the
surface because that child that's acting that way, they only act that way because they don't
feel lovable. They don't feel like they don't do it. Attended to the right way. You think of
children when they're growing up, right? The only act up when they feel that they're not cared
for and they're not attended to properly. So we've got to attend to the child within us. Bring
the feelings to the surface that the child has that are dysfunctional and change those beliefs.

Speaker 2 - Host: Mary Jane Popp
But you, your website, give me your website.

Speaker 5 - Guest: Vincent Genna
It's VincentGenna.com. And that's for the G E N N A. And anybody can go there and connect to me
there. I actually have a new television show that's going to be coming out of airing. It's
going to be on Ethereum TV. It's a streaming network and they'll be able to find that on Roku
and on Amazon Firestick. They'll be able to download the app and they'll see all of us. My new
show is called Living Your Soul's Purpose and the Life You Love. And I also still have to
podcast. The G E N N A. So people can go there, but all of that information is on my website at
The Secret That's Holding You Back. Sorry. The G E N N A. It's VincentGenna.com. My book is the
secret that's holding you back.

Speaker 2 - Host: Mary Jane Popp
Absolutely fantastic. And Vincent, stay on the line because I want to talk to you off the air
because we got to get caught up just a couple of minutes. Okay. Okay. All right. And thank you
very, very much for being with us. And again, folks, that's VincentGenna.com. The name of the
book, the secret that's holding you back. Got to get rid of that inner child. We've got to do
something about that. Bring it out and put it aside. Anyway, thanks to Vincent and got glad to
have all of you with me on Popp Talk. Check us out every weekend, Saturday and Sunday, but also
24 seven at K High dot com. Just click on listen and then audio on demand. And you can listen
to the two hour show for that week. You know, it's one of those things, folks. We just have to
believe and share and be part of life. And let me give you my saying for the week. Life is the
first gift. Love is the second and understanding the third. That is what we try to do on Popp
Talk every week, going in search of that truth. And as always, I leave you with this. Live
simply laugh often. Love deeply.