[00:13] Speaker 1: Welcome to Leo Roundtable at leoroundtable.com. My name is Chip DeBlock, and I'm your host. And we're a group of law enforcement professionals that talk about today's news and issues, but we do it from a law enforcement perspective. Let me introduce the crew. Guys, if you don't mind waiting for the video portion of our show, we've got, uh, Dr. Joel Schultz, retired police chief. So, thanks for- so much for being back on the show, Doctor. Also, another... Yes, w- we're, we are, we are like, uh, top heavy with doctors today. We have Dr. Travis Yates, retired police major from the Tulsa Police Department. So, uh, thanks for being on the show. And, uh, guys, uh, watching the video portion of the show, uh, you probably have picked up by now, like most of us have, that the hat Travis Yates is wearing does not match the color of the clothing he's wearing, but he is making a statement, so don't hold that against him. Look at the chief laughing. Uh, l- don't, don't hold that against him.

[00:58] Speaker 1: More, more about that. But we do like that... We do like that- the hat, Dr. Yates. It is, it is, it is pretty pristine. Can you, can you just tell our, our, our listening audience that is audibly listening, not... Th- they don't have the benefit of the video? What you're, what you have on your head?

[01:12] Speaker 2: It's, uh... Depicts the best baseball franchise of all time, the Los Angeles Dodgers, and I wear it with pride because my family is from Los Angeles. I was born in Torrance. And there were two things mandated as a child: you had to be a Dodger fan, and you had to watch the Rose Bowl Parade. So, I still comply with both those mandates from my parents.

[01:31] Speaker 1: Oh, you do? Oh, God bless you. All right. I love it. I love it. Hey, a shout-out to our sponsors. You know, Gulls, our title sponsor, Gulls.com. We also have ComplyTechnologies.com, our satellite sponsor. And yes, we've been on satellite radio since, uh, Cinco de Mayo last year. Also, we have GunLearn.com, MyMedicare.live, SafeguardRecruiting.com, our streaming sponsor. Look, if you're an agency and you're having recruiting issues, or you think you're having recruiting issues, you probably haven't reached out to Safeguard Recruiting yet. So, SafeguardRecruiting.com, they'll help you get it done, but they're gonna help you get qualified candidates. We're not talking about, you know, bribing people to get a job in law enforcement that, that don't belong, and, and then your attrition rate's gonna be, you know, out the wazoo later. Um, so yeah, Safeguard Recruiting.

[02:10] Speaker 1: And they've also, because they're our streaming sponsor, we're streaming the live show to over a million followers thanks to them. We also have TwoBells.com, they built a new online store at leoroundtable.com. A shout-out to Bryan Burns for the Tampa Free Press at TampaFP.com. Thanks for caring to contact Bryan. We also have Ray Dietrich of formerlawman.com, and our very own, you guessed it, Travis Yates with LawOfficer.com. Thanks to all those entities for helping, uh, make this show happen. And, um, I've got a, uh... You know, I might as well just mention it. You know, this week, we're announcing... I've got this new... There's a new site that's going up that, that I'm behind. Travis is aware of it. We've had some deep conversations. I've asked him for some advice on some of this stuff. So yeah, we've got a, a new site comi- uh, coming up, going online. Uh, it's actually online, just no one knows the, uh, the address yet. And we're gonna be using that for special content.

[02:56] Speaker 1: I'm trying to talk, uh, Travis into maybe using some content from there, uh, on- on Law Officer... Uh, on LawOfficer.com. Uh, but more information as that comes out. When you guys hear about it, I think that everybody's gonna really like it. And, uh, it's out on the edge a little bit, so we'll, uh, we'll keep you guys informed. Uh, but thanks to our sponsors for helping make this show happen. And now, what in the world are we talking about today? You know, we've got a lot of news items 'cause I've been gone, uh, for eight days. So, we're gonna start off talking. There's three main topics, and, and we'll get to the other stuff, uh, hopefully, uh, you know, as time permits. But we have, uh, shots fired at, uh, Mar-a-Lago, and an armed man killed entering Trump's Florida resort. Uh, we've also got, um, Iran. This big mess going on with Iran and using enriched uranium. And guys, we're going, we're going to war. That's just, that's just little doubt.

[03:45] Speaker 1: And then we've got the White House roasts, uh, Trudeau, you know, Canada, after the US Olympic team wins gold. And, uh... I should... US teams win gold. We have Detroit Police Chief, he walks back, um, a call to fire the officers that, um, called Border Patrol. And it, it... So, yeah. He, uh... They're still getting disciplined, but he's, he's not gonna fire them. Then we have body cam video showing officers and a K9 grabbing a bad guy, a carjacker, in Daytona. And we've got a man arrested for aggravated battery on a peace officer after he showed off his body. Um, yeah, that was, uh... Yeah, there was some nudity involved in that one. We've got off-duty officer, um, stops an active shooter in a barber shop. That's pretty cool. A man arrested for aggravated battery on a peace officer after he, um, showed off his body. Um, but wait, am I getting these things mixed up here?

[04:34] Speaker 1: Now, obviously, we have the man arrested for aggravated battery on a peace officer after he shows off his body, and then we've got this other one. I gotta... You know what? I gotta check out these two articles and see which one's accurate and which one's not. We've got a Hartford police officer fatally, uh, shoots a guy, uh, who was armed with a knife during a welfare check. So, we've got that one as well. So, guys, stay tuned. Let's go ahead and get started on these, on these, uh, three main topics. Um, TampaFreePress.com is where we got this first one, shots fired at Mar-a-Lago, an armed man killed entering Trump's Florida resort. And there's a couple of articles in reference to that. The second one says North Carolina man shot and killed after armed entry at Trump's Mar-a-Lago in Florida, which I like better. So, Sunday morning, security breach at Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Florida, ended in a fatal shooting of this armed guy who came all the way from North Carolina.

[05:21] Speaker 1: And he drove into the secure perimeter of President Donald Trump's residence. Now, the... Now, remember, Mar-a-Lago is a, an active, you know, golf resort. Uh, the US Secret Service confirmed that this guy... They identified him as a 21-year-old, I'm not gonna give his name out, but he was killed by law enforcement after he ignored orders to disarm. And he basically had, like, a gas can and a shotgun. I, I, I wouldn't say that those are the two weapons of choice I would use in a situation like this. You know, a shotgun, you've got to get really up close and personal to be able to use that. I don't know how he thought he was gonna take on security or, or Secret Service, or deputies there with that. Um, we've got, uh, two Secret Service agents and a Palm Beach, uh, sheriff deputy, um, that, um... that confronted this guy. The Palm Beach County Sheriff, Rick Bradshaw, stated at a news conference, uh, it confirmed that, what I just said, shotgun and gas canister.

[06:11] Speaker 1: When they commanded him to drop the items when they, when they saw him, he reportedly sets down the gas can, but he raises the shotgun (laughs) into a firing position. What an idiot. The agents and the, and the, and the deputy, they light him up and, uh, they recover the shotgun. Um, uh, they, well, they recovered the shotgun's packaging inside the vehicle that the guy drove up in. And they thought that he acquired the weapon while he was traveling south from his home state. And this guy was reportedly missing by his family, or reported missing by his family in North Carolina just days before this incident went down. And the FBI and the Secret Service are currently working to develop a psychological profile of this 21-year-old guy. A specific motive has not been established. And at the time of the shooting, President Trump wasn't even there. Him and First Lady Melania Trump, that they were, um, you know, at the White House.

[07:00] Speaker 1: And only five days ago, they do point out that a separate incident occurred in Washington, DC where an 18-year-old was arrested after running towards the US Capitol with another loaded shotgun and that didn't work out for him as well. So we got a 18-year-old, you know, the other week and then we got this 21-year-old. Uh, are you seeing a pattern here, Travis Yates?

[07:19] Speaker 2: Yeah, let me help out the FBI on their profiling.

[07:22] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[07:22] Speaker 2: They're crazy. Okay? They're crazy. We have a mental illness problem in this country fueled by the media and politicians that are using buzzwords to set off their mental illness. I mean, do I... Am I the only one that finds it odd that we've got a president of the United States that there have been at least three people take his life? One actually get a round off, and we're more outraged about the FBI director being at the Olympics? I mean, is that the world we're living in that nobody wants to even talk about these stories? It seems so outrageous to me, uh, that the, this is the normal, normalcy that's been built into this country.

[08:01] Speaker 1: Well, thanks, Dr. Yates. Uh, Doctor... Man, these d- this, these doctor titles are getting me confused. Uh, Dr. Schultz. (laughs)

[08:08] Speaker 3: Uh, well, Dr. DeBlock, um, we, you, you got an honorary, I'm sure, somewhere.

[08:15] Speaker 1: Somewhere.

[08:16] Speaker 3: You know, we, we were just, uh, b- before the, uh, show started officially, we were talking a little bit about how all of us are compelled at one time or another to make a consultant commentary for the media on one thing and another. And a lot of times, we just don't know. We don't know, other than, um, Travis' probably pretty accurate assessment of the whole situation. You just got a nut job. Um, and, but, but we also have to consider is there something more nefarious going on? You know, we, we think this person's a lone actor, um, and was very clumsily and stupidly done with, as you point out, Chip, not the best weapons. And by the way, you, do you remember a few years ago, Biden was all anti-rifle, anti-, uh, assault weapon?

[09:01] Speaker 1: Anti-recommended.

[09:01] Speaker 3: And he said, "Get a shotgun! Just get a shotgun!"

[09:04] Speaker 1: (laughs) Yeah. He would tell... He's... ............................

[09:06] Speaker 3: Yeah. 'Cause they didn't hurt anyone. Right.

[09:08] Speaker 1: Oh.

[09:08] Speaker 3: So, um, but was this guy, was this guy put up to this suicide mission, um, as a distraction? Uh, was it intel gathering? You know, one, one of the things that we always have to be aware of for, for you patrol officers out there, if you've got something going on that doesn't make sense but it causes a lot of tension on one side of town, you better have somebody look on the other side of town. Uh, so that, that's just, you know, for those conspiracy theorists out there, uh, I'll, I'll throw that out as a possible theory. Um, I, I heard one commentator say, "Oh, it must have been suicide by cop," because there's no way that he was gonna, uh, penetrate and get close to anybody and, you know, without getting shot. But it also might be a testing of the perimeter because, you know, from the last golf course attempt, um, there's some security issues there. So, um, I, I, I'm, I'm kinda like Travis in that, you know, this dig for motive, we gotta know a motive.

[10:03] Speaker 3: We ac- have to know what's, uh, on the inside of this guy's mind. We're not gonna know.

[10:08] Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, good point, gentlemen. Yeah, 1:30 in the morning. So, uh, um, so anyway, that's, that's, that's the latest with that. Well, we'll keep you guys informed. We'll probably have our Secret Service, uh, dynamic duo on the show to kind of give us any inside scoop they get on this thing. That'll be, uh, you know, former Special Agents-in-Charge Rick Schierpolle or Rich Schierpolle and Frank Loveridge. Um, but moving along, guys. We've got another, you know, world news, uh, story here. Uh, WashingtonTimes.com, uh, according to Witkoff, Iran is a week away from having enough enriched uranium for a bomb. Now, I, I read way back, not way back when, but recently, they were at, at 60%. And of course, they're certain, you know, you have to have, what? At least 90, I think, for weapons-grade uranium.

[10:48] Speaker 1: So the White House Special Envoy Steve Whitcoff, which is who they've been saying that Trump is listening to when he makes the decision on if and when they do something against Iran, but he's warning that Iran is about to, uh, about a week away from having enough enriched uranium to create at least one nuclear bomb, which would be scary. Uh, Whitcoff said that Tehran had been enriching uranium, um, at up to 60%, uh, which we had previously, um, you know, learned over the, over the last few weeks. And he said that that was well beyond the capacity needed for civilian use, so, um, which points to the fact that it, it, it, it, it points to the motive on why en- enriched uranium, uh, above the point for c- civilian use, and that's 'cause you wanna make a bomb, right? And so, he talks about the Islamic Republic has not enriched uranium at the 90, at the 90% weapons-grade level.

[11:37] Speaker 1: Uh, but, while that may be true, it's amassed a substantial stockpile of 60% enriched uranium, and that's about 90% of the work required to reach the 90% purity rate is w- which is what they want. Uh, guys, we're coming up on our first commercial break. We'll cover the rest of this in the second commercial break. (Instrumental music plays) We'll be right back. My family only cares about one thing: that I come home safe.

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[12:53] Speaker 1: Welcome back. Leo Roundtable at leoroundtable.com. The Law Enforcement Talk Show. My name is Chip The Block, and I'm your host. We're joined by, uh, Dr. Joel Schultz, retired police chief, Dr. Travis Shakes, retired police major from Tulsa. And we left off talking about, um, Special Envoy, Envoy Steve Wittkop talking about Iran being a-at about a week away from having enough enriched uranium to create a nuclear bomb. And, uh, just continuing on with that, um, the Islamic Republic, um, has not enriched... well, they're talking about, um, enriched uranium, anything above the civilian level. You're really going for, you know, the military grade, which is what you want to make a nuclear bomb from. And Wittkop talks about it being really dangerous, that we can't have that, and he appeared at Fox News Channel's My View on Saturday.

[13:37] Speaker 1: President Trump wants to know why Iranian leaders are continually digging their heels over developing a nuclear arsenal despite the growing US military presence in the region. And so, I- I- I know it's got to be frustrating for some people, um, because we opp-... a lot of us operate off of... well, we normally op-... even all of us that we... you know, we... in law enforcement, we know that people are, are not always rational, right? But, but we usually count on most people being rational, right? So when you're dealing with people and, and this stuff just, just doesn't make any sense, so it sounds to me that Trump would... typically wouldn't work with most people. Trump's a little amazed that this stuff has... you know, he's built up a huge military presence all around Iran and, and they're not playing ball, right? It's, it's like they just don't care if they go to war and get wiped off the freaking planet, you know. Um, so with the in-...

[14:24] Speaker 1: and here's a, here's a quote saying that, "With the amount of sea power and naval power that we have over there, why haven't they come to us and say, 'We don't want a weapon'?" So, here's what we're prepared to do. That's what Wittkop said. A- and it's hard to get them to that place. Now, it goes on to say that the Iranian President Mossad said that Saturday that Tehran would not bow to international pressure or internal dissent. Because they've got a lot of internal dissent going over there, riots and stuff. They're just going to kill the rioters, right? Or the protesters. But despite the obstacles, the President said that Iran, uh, has the will and the ability to fight back.

[14:58] Speaker 1: And in the event, and this is a quote, "In the event that it is subjected to a military aggression, Iran will respond decisively and proportionately in the exercise of its inherent right of self-defense." And he went on to say, um, that, uh, well, according to the government-run Iranian Students News Agency, "We will strive for Iran to be the very last drop of our blood." So, uh, so wow. Um, any, uh... well, I'm, I'm... my prediction is that we're definitely, we're definitely going to war and that this, and that this, um, limited, uh, military response is gonna be a lot more than what people are expecting. A- and I don't think it needs to be limited because we don't want a... we don't want a retaliatory strike, but, um, Chief Schultz?

[15:39] Speaker 3: I- you, you know, uh, the three of us here know that the most dangerous person you can deal with is somebody that doesn't have anything to lose. And, uh, I hope that in addition to these two businessmen that, um, are running a diplomatic operation over there under, under the President, um, have somebody telling them about the culture and history and the way that those people think, which is different than the way that Western people think. I'm not saying they're different humans or of any less value, but, but they're, they're different. Um, we tend to be influenced by one or two generations. These guys are influenced by hundreds and thousands of years. And so they just think differently. We can't rationalize with them. One of the other... in fact, I, I, uh... it might be my catchphrase when I was in police work, I always, uh, told people, "I don't make threats, I make promises." Um, and that's one thing that Trump is good at. He doesn't make idle threats.

[16:33] Speaker 3: If he says he's going to do something, he's going to do it. Um, and, and if, uh, Iran doesn't, uh, back down, then he's going to have to, going to have to carry out the threat. Now, the domestic concern about that is I totally believe their threats that there will be attacks, and that doesn't mean they're going to shoot their bombs at our bombs. That means they're going to be on the US territory and they're going to attack military installations and sensitive civilian targets. So this is a red flag. It's a heads up, um, for, uh, American law enforcement because we will feel the effects if, if they're going to suffer, they're going to make us suffer.

[17:10] Speaker 1: Well, good point. Travis, anything on this or...

[17:15] Speaker 2: No, I mean, one thing that we, we tend to get from President Trump is countries seem to be a lot less reckless, right? I mean, every president before Trump, we would get the occasional bombing in a military base or, you know, you look at what they did in New York City even before 9/11, we would get this and because I think, for the most part, they figured, "We can do this," and what are they going to do? Bomb some aspirin factories, Bill Clinton, you know, and scare us? And so one thing that I think President Trump has done for us is, I think, in, in a sense, we don't have that much of a concern because from a country, they know that deep repercussions would come. But Iran, um, that's, uh... we always seem to have an Iran, don't we? We always had... seem to have one out there that, that does this stuff. So I think, uh, I think that President Trump's take is we're going to be the aggressor and be progressive in this instead of waiting to get Americans killed.

[18:07] Speaker 2: And so we'll see how it shapes out. But I agree with you. Something will occur, but I don't think we're going to see...

[18:12] Speaker 5: ... the wars that we saw in the past. I mean, you look at-

[18:14] Speaker 1: Oh, no.

[18:14] Speaker 5: ... when they went to Venezuela. I mean, the government has got some tools that we don't even know about that really create havoc and I think could mitigate the death toll to Americans.

[18:25] Speaker 1: Yeah, I, I, uh, I like that, tr- because, you know, you can have a show of force and just over- an, an, an overwhelming show of force. And, and I think it, it seems obvious to me that the way we've fought some wars in the past, we just haven't done that. And, and I know Trump doesn't want a, a long, protracted war. Um, so I, I can't wait to see what they're gonna do. But I, I, I agree with the chief. There, there's, there's l- it likely gonna be some fallout that you can't, you can just can't prevent. I mean, crap, we've had open borders for four years.

[18:54] Speaker 1: So we've got-

[18:55] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[18:55] Speaker 1: ... a lot of terror cells over here that maybe haven't been activated yet. But, you know, that's gonna happen. But I'd rather that happen than, than these yahoos have a nuclear bomb that they're gonna aim at Israel or one of our partners or even try to, you, you know, hook it onto a, a, a Russian, uh, you know, s- you know, s- hypersonic friggin' missile and send it over our way, you know? So...

[19:17] Speaker 3: Well, we're, we're fortunate that, uh, R- Russia, um, has b- been severely affected in their military capacity by their war, uh, in Ukraine. They might not, they might not be quite as ready to, uh, to interject themselves in any other international conflict because, uh, they're, they're kind of running on, uh, their, their last oxygen, I think.

[19:42] Speaker 1: Yeah. Agreed, agreed. And a lot of old equipment, from what I understand. So, um, you know, I, um... Well, we'll, we'll see what happens. You know, I- e- this- a lot of the Special Forces guys I've talked to said that, you know, the kids, the, the, the, the... When, when you're a child over there in Iran and these other places and they whisper in your ear from, from birth, you know, to hate America, hate the infidels, and there's just a lot of, uh, there's just a mindset. It's just hard to wrap your head around. It's really hard to relate being here. You just have to accept the fact that these guys, they operate with a different set of rules or different motivations. And what you typically use to dissuade people is not gonna work with them. We got, uh, 17 seconds, guys, coming up for our next commercial break. We'll be right back. All right, guys. Time to talk about Comply Technologies at complytechnologies.com.

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[21:50] Speaker 1: RVMnews.com, White House roast Trudeau after Team USA's Olympic gold victory. Um, now, uh, we had the men's and the, and the women took gold. And so the White House seats in historic Olympic, uh, victory on Sunday to take a public swipe at former Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau after Team USA captured gold in the men's hockey at the 2026 Milan-Cortina Winter Games as reported by the New York Post. Now, the United States ended a 46-year Winter Olympics gold medal drought in men's hockey, and they had a, a pretty impressive overtime, 2-1 win over Canada. And Jack Hughes delivered the, uh, decisive moment, scored the golden goal off a cross ice speed from Zach Werenski and, uh, they clenched the championship. Um, it, it... Apparently, you know, in Trump style, following the win, President Trump placed a congratulary- congratulatory phone call to the team. Now, um, we had our FBI, uh, director, Kash Patel was there in the locker room with these guys, jersey, celebrating.

[22:52] Speaker 1: And, uh, and I believe it was Kash's phone that hooked up these guys on speaker with the president, which was, which was, I thought kind of cool. Past presidents, before people get their panties in a wad, um, Obama, you know, was... Obama himself, not, not the FBI director, the president himself was, was in the locker room, uh, with the team previously. And we've had other guys, you know, that have done this too. So don't get, don't get too excited to the left there. Um, but, so the, uh, um, president places a, a congratulatory phone call to the team. That was kind of cool. The official White House account on X, uh, used the occasion to respond to a past post, uh, by the Prime Minister Trudeau. So after Canada defeated the US in the Four Nations face-off that happened last year, Trudeau wrote on social media, quote, "You can't," meaning cannot, "take our country and you cannot take our game." Unquote.

[23:42] Speaker 1: And with the Olympic result reversing the outcome on the s- on the (laughs) sports stage, um, the White House quoted, uh, Trudeau's post and they shared a photo of a bald eagle standing, uh, atop a Canadian goose, a symbolic jab at the former Canadian leader. And I have it on good authority, uh, that Trump is gonna offer them that if they become the firi- 51st state, that we might, might be willing to share, uh, the gold, the Gold with them as well from the, uh, from the match that happened Sunday. Uh, commentary on this, guys? I thought it was hilarious.

[24:13] Speaker 2: Well, it was a great game. I was up early watching it. I will tell you, we got really lucky. But hey, I'll take it because, uh, I don't know if you watched it, but they got twice as many shots on goal as we did. Just some stuff went our way. But man, it's the Trump effect, right? I mean, that poor figure skater talks some noise on the country, she was supposed to win it, she finished eighth. Trudeau- Trudeau talked noise on the United States and Trump, he's not the president anymore. Uh, so yeah, you gotta just shut your mouth and play the game, stay in your lane, and I think things will work out. But yeah, pretty cool, pretty cool deal. Trump called him and invited him to the State of the Union right then and there, and they were excited, and, and um, of course, that was the outrage of the week, right, that we were actually happy that America won the hockey game and we were celebrating.

[24:59] Speaker 2: Um, I don't know how to make out for it other than politics and social media has ruined so many people's brains. Uh, Democrat, Republican, you should be proud that America won the hockey game, but not everybody thinks that way.

[25:13] Speaker 1: So, the kid that took the stick to the mouth, um, anybody have any, any scoop on him? I, I love that kid. He wouldn't shut up about how proud he was to be an American after winning this, and there he is, this guy missing what, two or three teeth and, you know-

[25:28] Speaker 2: Five.

[25:28] Speaker 1: ... cracked and-

[25:28] Speaker 2: Five.

[25:30] Speaker 1: Golly. Yeah. Beautiful. Just so impressive, man. Young, young kid. That's what we need. We need that guy to reach our young people, man. Wow. Speaking of young people, Chief Schultz?

[25:42] Speaker 3: Well, uh, first of all, uh, Donald Trump needs to invite as many people as he can to his State of the Union address because they're gonna be a lot of, uh, a, a lot of vacant seats out there, I understand, uh, with the-

[25:53] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[25:53] Speaker 3: ... Democrat boycott. Um, I'm still hung up on the Crotch Gate scandal and the badminton cheater, so I just, that took some of the joy out of the hockey win, so.

[26:03] Speaker 1: You know, um, I heard that the, the, the female hockey team that took gold, did, did I ... I'm under- from what I'm understanding, they were ... Now look, I've been, I've been, I've been on vacation, I've been out of pocket for eight days and I'm not up to speed on all the stuff going on in the news, although I, I tried to get caught up when I got back. But did they turn down a trip to the White House, a visit to the White House after, um, after they won gold and got an invite from Trump?

[26:28] Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it was a trip to the White House. I think they turned down State of the Union because they had, they said they had a, a scheduling conflict, who knows what the truth is, but they'd be ridicu- it'd be crazy if they turned down a trip to the White House if you win an Olympic gold. So, uh-

[26:41] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[26:41] Speaker 2: ... they would get... I mean, that's what's so crazy about Twitter-ville, right? Everybody thinks that Twitter is reality. No, no. If you don't go to the White House after you win gold, you will not be beloved by the majority of Americans, all right? You may, you may appease the 20% of the insane people that take shotguns to Trump's house, you know, with gasoline, but most people are gonna think you're an absolute loon bag if you don't go to the White House after you win a gold medal. So I would assume that they're gonna go.

[27:07] Speaker 1: Yeah. And, and, and, and you probably aren't gonna be invited back. (laughs) I mean, come on. So yeah. Yeah. Scary stuff. So... And uh, and then, um, the, uh, is it called curling, the uh, where they have the, the, the thing on the ice and they fan and they like... I tell you, my wife and I-

[27:24] Speaker 2: Yeah, it was on every night. It was on every night for three weeks. I was just glad-

[27:26] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[27:26] Speaker 2: ... to see a hockey game.

[27:27] Speaker 1: I, I (laughs) was, I was... I gotta admit, I don't want to embarrass myself but I was- I got to be impressed with the... 'cause there's a whole strategy level on that that I was totally unaware of and, and, and now, now, now I know a lot more than what I used to know. So I, I was pretty impressed. I mean, you can get some buck 20 kid, you know, kid that weighs a buck 20 and he's just like a rock star on the friggin' ice doing that curling event.

[27:52] Speaker 1: It was, it wa- I was pretty impress-

[27:54] Speaker 2: Those soccer moms are the best, those soccer moms are the best athletes. You know, they all have to have jobs. Those soccer moms can bring it home.

[28:00] Speaker 1: Wow.

[28:01] Speaker 2: You don't see a fat curler, Chip. They're all exactly what you want.

[28:06] Speaker 1: Well, I'm watching them, men and women, they have to get down. Now look, I- I'm coming back. Remember, I went to Georgia in, in, in April and I blew out, you know, I fell and I, you know, I, I messed up my knee bad and had to have surgery. So now I just go back. But I'm watching how low they have to get on the ice when they're like sending that thing up, when they're launching it. Dude, there's no way. If I was ever able to get down that low, I would not be coming back up without help, man, and I can't believe the position they can put their body in when they're launching that stuff on the ice.

[28:34] Speaker 1: And uh-

[28:35] Speaker 2: Now you're talking.

[28:36] Speaker 1: It's impressive, dude.

[28:37] Speaker 2: Now you're talking.

[28:37] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[28:38] Speaker 3: I think that was Jeff Winegar's actual sport. He talks hockey but I think he was a curler.

[28:45] Speaker 1: I was gonna say s- figure skater, you may be, you may be onto something though, Chief. So well, guys-

[28:51] Speaker 3: We'll get asked about it.

[28:52] Speaker 1: Are, are you... I'll tell you what. Let's um... We've got uh, we've got, you know, we got plenty of time here but I, I'd like to go on to um, to this Detroit police chief that's walking back the firing of the officers for calling Border Patrol. So fox2detroit.com. So Fox covered it. Um, interesting story. It's not the first time we've had an agency go after the officers, um, working on, especially a task force that are, that are calling, you know, Border Patrol. Uh, but listen to what happened, listen how it goes down. So we're in Detroit, this is Fox 2. Detroit's top cop, so the chief is walking back his demand to fire two officers uh, for getting Border Patrol involved in investigations. So um, there's pushback after Detroit Police Chief initially called for the firing of a sergeant and an officer because they contacted Border Patrol during traffic stops. The chief softened his stance on Friday though.

[29:41] Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a backstory we don't know about, uh, but 30-day suspensions without pay were handed down on Thursday night to a Detroit police officer and a sergeant whose name is Denise Walat. Um, both officers recently called Border Patrol during separate traffic stops. So this is two different instances. Border Patrol agents responded, detained undocumented individuals... involved, which means that they are illegal. Earlier in the week, Chief Todd Bettison called for the officers, the sergeant and the, and the female, uh, to be fired, saying that contacting Customs and Border Protection violated department policy. And this is a point of contention.

[30:16] Speaker 1: And here's a quote saying, "This incident should make it clear, however, that I as chief will continue to vigorously enforce DPD, um, policies." And in a post on X on Friday, Homeland Security said, "It is observed that two Detroit police officers would face punishment for alerting, uh, Customs Border Patrol about a criminal illegal alien. Eh, they are American heroes who chose public safety first." Now, Bettison, uh, the chief now says that the suspensions, which were finalized by, uh, the Troy Police Board of Commissioners, that they are sufficient. "I thought, uh, that was sufficient. I supported them and I'm satisfied." So he's talking about suspending instead of being fired, but there's some more stuff to the story. So our female, Sergeant Denise Wallet, um, and it's spelled just like wallet, W-A-L-L-E-T. She filed a federal lawsuit against the department on Friday.

[31:09] Speaker 1: Now, remember, this is when, not when they got, were, were supposed to get fired, but this is when they changed their position. And they're, and they're getting suspended for, like, 30 days, right? And here's what she says. "Absolutely no policy was violated whatsoever." And this, she's saying this through her attorney, Solomon Radner. Radner says that Wallet, the sergeant, contacted Border Patrol to help identify someone who did not have any identifying documents, which he argues is not a policy violation. And at some point, she called her supervisor, a lieutenant, and said, "Hey, what do I do? We can't identify this guy." And the lieutenant, knowing the policy and the f- and, and the following the policy, he said, "Hey, call Border Patrol." So she's doing what her supervisor, the lieutenant, told her to do. Um, we're gonna be talking about th- that right after commercial break. We'll be right back. All right, guys. It's time to talk about GunLearn at gunlearn.com.

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[33:08] Speaker 1: Um, guys, we just started talking about Detroit Police Chief walking back his call to fire two officers because they called Border Patrol, um, the female officer, even though they decided to do 30-day suspensions in lieu of firing them, she just filed a federal lawsuit saying she didn't do anything wrong, and that she contacted her supervisor, the lieutenant, and asked him what to do when they had people they couldn't identify, and he said, "Call Border Patrol." Um, so, uh, we have two open mics, whoever wants to start us off first, but I, I can't wait to hear what you guys have to say.

[33:39] Speaker 3: Well, I, I'm sure Detroit has a very strong police union, being that, uh, super union city, and, and I hope they just, they just, uh, b- beat the snot out of this situation with this, with this lawsuit. Um, I cannot imagine, uh, so much of my career has been knowing, as, as, you know, working in small environments, um, that I can call the Feds. And I've called d- about half of the 80-something agent, federal agencies that are out there, n- not, not just the state and local. So to imagine that a department has an official policy that we will not even talk to another, uh, law enforcement agency is, is just insane on its face. So, um, I don't know what more you can say about that ex- except to, to, to grieve over how stupid that was.

[34:26] Speaker 2: What's so wild is, first off, it's never the business of a chief, and I love to see, uh, Dr. Schultz weigh in on this, the chief of police should never come out and say, "I'm advocating for firing an officer." Well, you've lost all due process right at that point. So once again, whatever discipline that officer's getting will get back, with back pay and probably more money than that. But then to even suggest that vi- let's say it was a policy violation. To even suggest that if you violate one policy violation that you just get fired, right? That you just get fired. Uh, obviously, there are certain policies where potentially that could happen, but really? An administrative policy like that, if it does exist, and I actually believe her when she says it doesn't, because no department anywhere has a policy that says you cannot talk to another law enforcement agency.

[35:13] Speaker 2: They may have a policy about deporting people or whatever, or sanctuary cities, but they don't have a policy that says you can't speak to another law enforcement official. And so I believe her when she says that. So what he had, when he made the decision is, what we talk about in, in leadership and courageous leadership all the time, is these chiefs have a decision to make. Am I gonna do what's right, even though 20% of the purple hair suburban moms will be upset at me? Or am I gonna fall and keep the 20% of the purple haired suburban moms that have a streak of pink in them, keep them happy? And he just made a cognitive decision to just stand up there on camera to make this outrageous statement to keep this small segment happy, which is not America. That's Twitter. That's not what America thinks. And most people see this for what it is. It's ridiculous, virtue signaling at its finest. Uh, Detroit actually has a pretty fine police department, but apparently a really dumb police chief.

[36:06] Speaker 1: Yeah. I didn't see the lieutenant's nameon the discipline list either, the one that supposedly gave the, uh, the female sergeant, you know, the instruction to call Border Patrol, so anyway... Well, it's political, it's political theater, and when you're doing theater, you can choose who your actors are and, and, uh, you know, what script they're going to, to, to read from. And, uh, I hadn't thought about that aspect, uh, Travis, but we see this in a lot of situations where officers are, as Chip would say, into grease. Um, you get a criminal investigation, a kidnapping, a homicide, a, a, a series of, uh, rapes, and the administrator will say, "Well, I'm sorry, we can't release any information about that." But when an officer is in trouble, "Uh, we gotta fire this guy. We're gonna, uh, send this to a grand jury," you know, uh, "We, we can't tolerate this kind of behavior," so the due process goes out the window.

[36:55] Speaker 1: So again, uh, you know, I'm gonna be on the sidelines cheerleading for this lawsuit. All right. All right, good. Well, we'll keep everybody informed as, as things progress. We got five and a half minutes. Let's, uh ... We got, we got two videos. Um, l- so let's do the K9... (laughs) You know I love K9 bite videos, right? Rumble.com, our favorite law enforcement video channel called This is Better, we have a body cam video showing officers and a K9 nabbing Daytona Beach carjacking suspects.

[37:22] Speaker 6: Stop, you're coming at me! Here! Here! Here! Hock it! Hock it! Here! Here! Dog down! Watch out! Dog down! Dog down! Hock it, buddy! Hock it! Go! Hock it! Here! Go! Hock! Watch out! Dog! Watch out! I got him! I got him! Go get him, dog! Hock it! Ow! Ow! Okay!

[37:46] Speaker 1: Good dog!

[37:46] Speaker 6: Okay. Okay.

[37:46] Speaker 1: Good job. Get on him. Stay on the ground.

[37:49] Speaker 6: Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

[37:53] Speaker 1: Hock it!

[37:55] Speaker 6: Okay. Okay. Okay. (screams in pain) No! Ah! Ah

[37:58] Speaker 1: Hold on.

[37:59] Speaker 6: Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Ah!

[38:05] Speaker 1: Push him off your back! Do it now!

[38:07] Speaker 6: Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. (sirens)

[38:11] Speaker 1: We're in Port Orange, Florida, so it makes the Flor- my peeps in Florida look bad, but law enforcement officials, they released details on Friday, uh, from Friday, February the 20th, about a suspected carjacking that occurred on Valentine's Day. So we got Daytona P- uh, Beach Police, they issue a bulletin that a vehicle had been carjacked at gunpoint by four suspects. It ended up being a- an adult driver, and then we got, you know, three juvies in there, right? Um, and so it's traveling in Port Orange, and they spot it. They pull it over beyond a gas station, and when it stops, the driver takes off and there's a- and then we have a juvie, um, I think the, uh, in the front seat taking off, and then we got the two in the back, they kind of stay there and they get apprehended pretty quickly. Um, but, um, the vehicle, uh, it, it crashed into a road sign. It became disabled. The driver was Terrice Thomas, 18 years old, so he's, he's still a teenager, but an adult.

[39:05] Speaker 1: Um, he bails and gets caught. And then we've got a passenger, the 16-year-old, um, he flees the car. That's the one we're concerned with because that's where the, uh, the action that I love happened. So the two other juveniles from Daytona Beach, they get caught, but we have a police dog. This, this K9, uh, deputy rolling up on the scene, and he bails out. He's in a foot purs- foot pursuit, but he, he, he- the dog's out there with him, right? And so we all know, I'm watching because I'm like, "There's another cop there." And I'm thinking, "Dude, when they release that dog, dude, you j- you just, you freeze, right?" Because, you know, that dog is like a freaking, you know, heat-seeking missile, whatever's moving and- and- and has blood in its veins, it's going for, right? Uh, so the dog, uh, it didn't see anything about biting anyone else ex- but it did take this kid down. And, uh, it says that, uh, Terrice, uh, Thomas, our, the driver, was be- was taken, uh, early on.

[39:56] Speaker 1: Uh, but this dog bit this kid, and there was a cop right next to him, and the K9 deputy, as he's approaching is telling the, is, I think, I- I believe pretty much he was telling the guy, "Hey, look, just don't get involved. Let the dog do his thing." It looked like the dog had the kid by the fingertips, if I'm not mistaken. It was just like (laughs) I was just like cringing 'cause the kid's... And I say the kid, he's probably, what, 17? But he looked like he was the size of a 22 year older or older. Uh, you know, he's like cringing in pain, but they're giving him the commands. Once he complies, they release the dog. He's fine. They go back and they search the car. They get a nine millimeter handgun, ski mask and gloves inside the car. All four are, uh, are arrested for armed carjacking, with an additional charge of fleeing and eluding, uh, for the, uh, for the driver. So that's the way it goes down. Commentary, guys.

[40:44] Speaker 2: Well, I've been outside of a car when I heard the words "dog out." That's not a comfortable feeling whatsoever 'cause dogs are colorblind and they don't identify between police officers and suspects, and so you just sort of hope for the best. But you're right. Uh, that particular time I jumped on top of a car, but if you're away from a car and you can't get some height, you gotta just be still, because if you try to run or try to move quickly, that's not great. So I love the force multiplier of a dog, uh, but, um, man, that K9 officer's got to make sure the (laughs) officers weren't out and about, you know. Uh, we would always get upset on the perimeter if, if they didn't announce first that they were about to let the dog out to let people get inside their car. So, uh, obviously a pretty incredible, uh, resource for law enforcement. It's got to be (laughs) done responsibly, for sure.

[41:33] Speaker 1: I think it's important to point out that the two other passengers, uh, immediately complied with the officers, and they did not get bitten. They (laughs) were peacefully arrested. Um, I, I, I'm not a K9 expert. I had a K9 on the, on the department, um, and, and I agree it's a, it's a great asset, but it seemed like the kid was already under control with three officers on top of him while the dog was still biting. Um, and I don't know if that kid's gonna end up with, uh, a check from the county on that, uh, deal or not. I think it's gonna, uh, I, I think the report writing is gonna have to be really good on this to justify the dog continuing the bite, uh, when, when the suspect was essentially under control. And I, and I, and I hate to voice a criticism, but just looking at that objectively, and I think, uh, bite dogs in particular, we, uh...

[42:23] Speaker 1: I didn't have a, I didn't supervise a bite dog, um-

[42:26] Speaker 3: But a bite dog has to obey the command to stop. And I didn't hear the... I don't know if that command was made, or if the dog was just enjoying themselves. We... Yeah, you gotta understand, these dogs, th- that is the highlight of their life. They love chewing-

[42:39] Speaker 1: They live for it. Yeah.

[42:40] Speaker 3: ... chewing on a bad guy.

[42:42] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[42:42] Speaker 3: Uh, so it'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

[42:44] Speaker 2: Yeah. And he's not gonna be playing piano anytime soon, I'll tell him that right now.

[42:47] Speaker 1: No.

[42:47] Speaker 2: Because that, that dog bit onto those fingers and didn't let go.

[42:51] Speaker 3: Yeah. There goes his violin career.

[42:53] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[42:53] Speaker 1: We got 30, uh, 7 seconds, but I wanna get this other one in. Man arrested for aggravated battery on a peace officer after he shoves off his body.

[43:00] Speaker 7: You're a little bitch. Get out of here. You know, everything you and I, that was bitch. Get out of here. What does that make you? Get the fuck out of here. 99, 71 to the jail. What's up, nigga? What's up, nigga? Get out of here. Get out of here. Put your hands behind your back. No, I'm not doing that. Hands behind your back. Hands behind your back. Hands behind your back. Nope. Turn around. Hands behind your back. You're being a little ass nigga. Hands behind your back. Hands behind your back. Get your fucking hands behind your back right now. Thank you. Thank you.

[44:03] Speaker 1: Rumble.com, this is Burgess from the channel. We're in Springfield, Illinois. So, the Springfield Police, they get this crazy guy, and I think crazy's a good description. Uh, Kyle James Walsh from Potomac, Illinois. Um, l- look, he, uh, approached the officers, knocks on the officer's window, goes up to the officer's car, screwing around with that. Uh, the officer's telling him to stop. He starts taking his clothes off, his shirt off. He's doing something with his pants. He turns around and he moons the officer. I see him reach back and they dither, but I see him pull his buttocks apart. I mean, there was a taser involved and, and the guy gets arrested. How do you deal with stuff like that, um, from a trained professional, Travis Yates?

[44:40] Speaker 2: It's a once in a lifetime opportunity to shoot a taser into a guy's butt, and the guy didn't do it.

[44:44] Speaker 3: Absolutely. Absolutely.

[44:45] Speaker 1: I don't know what-

[44:46] Speaker 2: Because he keeps threatening the taser. Well, what else do you need to see? The dude is out of his mind. So, if he moons you... I mean, it's a big giant target. You can't miss. One probe goes into one cheek, one goes in another cheek, and we'll watch the, we'll watch him shake.

[45:04] Speaker 1: Wow. You agree, Chief?

[45:06] Speaker 3: (laughs) 110%.

[45:08] Speaker 1: All right. Uh, fantastic show. Thank you so much, uh, Dr. Joel Schutz and also Dr. Travis Yates. It's been a great one. I do want to mention The Wounded Blue at thewoundedblue.org. And guys, please support our sponsors. We have our title sponsor, gullis at gullis.com, complitechnologies.com. Our satellite sponsor, we have gunlearner.com, mymedicare.live, safeguardrecruiting.com. Hey, when you need, when you need guys in your agency, call them. And twobells.com. We'll see you guys back tomorrow, live show, 12:00 noon Eastern.

[45:37] Speaker 1: (rock music plays)