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Bo H: Hello! Hello! Hello! And welcome to our Premier! Very 1st ever

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Bo H: episode of down and dirty with Idaho beau and vivacious bick!

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Bo H: I'm beau

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vicki fisk: I'm Vicki

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Bo H: And we would just like to get this show started by 1st thanking a number of people.

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Bo H: I'd like to really thank the guys at Bbs radio. They've been amazing at helping us get this show together and all the tips, and they're just great to work with. I can't thank them enough.

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Bo H: And then, of course, I I have Q. To think, because without his

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Bo H: excitement about learning how to can, and talking about herbs and spices, and actually mentioning. He wanted to start

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Bo H: a program with this, and he was looking for somebody that was passionate about it. I was pick me pick me. Q. So Q.

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Bo H: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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Bo H: I would like to thank my parents for instilling within me the love of nature. That is very, very has been very important to me all of my life, and then, of course, I have a lot of friends that have been encouraging me along this path of getting this show together, and you all know who you are.

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Bo H: I'd like to thank the music life channel on Youtube for the snappy little ditty you heard at the beginning of the show.

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Bo H: Also my horticulture. Professor extraordinaire, Jack Horn. Jack, if you're still

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Bo H: on this planet, I hope this. This podcast makes it to you. Without you I would not be the

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Bo H: gardener.

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Bo H: Canner person that loves plants beyond. Beyond. Thank you so much, Jack.

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Bo H: and of course I have to thank my co-host, vivacious Vick, for saying yes to hosting with me. I love you, Vicky. Take it away

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vicki fisk: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you both for asking, and it's my pleasure to actually show up in a way that

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vicki fisk: we can reach more people than just in our neighborhoods.

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vicki fisk: I I want to thank mostly my mom because I started with her at the age of 10,

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vicki fisk: and I want to thank you. And I want to thank the Internet and

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vicki fisk: a social networking. This is our, this is our format in our in our forum for spreading information and learning.

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vicki fisk: helping, growing, expanding all of those things. That's a big part of what Bo and I are interested in in doing is just expansion, knowledge, helpful knowledge, and kind of a time of turmoil where there's a gazillion places to turn. So we hope that some people will turn to us and just create a community around

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vicki fisk: becoming more sustainable in life, no matter what in the soil, with food, with

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vicki fisk: horticulture, with all of the different areas that daily life demands of us. So we're gonna touch on a lot of those things in this in this presentation, bi-weekly.

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vicki fisk: So I hope to see us all get together in this soil.

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Bo H: It. Tell your friends y'all

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Bo H: so. I guess I'll introduce myself a little bit more than just telling you my name.

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Bo H: I grew up in coastal Southern California during the mid sixties, where there were still open spaces. Believe it or not, y'all

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Bo H: I had friends that lived on Point doom in Malibu. They had horses, and we would ride horses, go up to the waterfalls, and Santa Monica mountains.

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Bo H: pick wildflowers, go down to Zuma Beach.

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Bo H: I took horseback riding lessons when you could ride horses down Western Avenue, which, if anybody's ever been to La is a very busy street, but you could still ride horses back. Then.

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Bo H: My mom taught me the names of the flowers when I was a little girl, and I've never forgotten that she instilled that love for me.

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Bo H: She was born in Germany.

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Bo H: and, you know, raised during Nazi, the Nazi Takeover. And so they had to have a garden, and they raised their own chickens and rabbits for food and eggs, and she learned all about using plants for medicinal purposes, and a lot of that rubbed off on me

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Bo H: grew up camping a lot up in the mountains, on the beaches and the chaparral.

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Bo H: and sometimes I had animals and trees as best friends used to talk to the trees all the time, and I still do.

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Bo H: I've been called a tree hugger more than once, and I think it's a badge of honor.

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Bo H: Yeah, both both my mom and my stepmom were extraordinary canners. And so I started Canning when I was a little girl

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Bo H: and fast forward a number of years. I was married, living in a little cottage in Redondo Beach.

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Bo H: and I thought, Well, you know, I'm going to put a tomato plant in, and a zucchini plant. I had to take out a lot of weeds. I had to battle a lot of big, ugly potato bugs.

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Bo H: and I did battle actually with them. They were kind of ferocious, and the tomato and the zucchini plant gave me so much food, I was really encouraged to take it on to another step.

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Bo H: and within a couple months I went down to the local library, and there was a flyer for a horticulture 101 class at the local college

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Bo H: at night, and I was working full time. I was like I said I was married. I had a daughter and a stepson, so I thought. Well, I could take a class at night.

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Bo H: And that's where Jack Horn, who I

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Bo H: mentioned earlier on in this podcast

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Bo H: Jack Horn was my teacher, and he was wild and crazy, and I I just I got the fire. I just had to

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Bo H: go through the whole course, and so I ended up getting.

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Bo H: I ended up getting a degree, but I didn't stop there.

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Bo H: I grew.

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Bo H: I grew all kinds of flowers, orchids.

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Bo H: You name it, and you could have them out on your porch. I lived around the corner from the beach in Redondo, and then we decided to move to Idaho.

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Bo H: and when I moved to Idaho, you know I'm still avid gardener.

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Bo H: but things were quite different here, as far as how the weather was, and what planting zones and planting times and frost and things I had never dealt with before, so I

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Bo H: took a master gardener class through the Ada Ada County Extension Office.

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Bo H: and, by the way, everybody, every single State has an extension office that's associated with the State University.

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Bo H: You can take master Gardener classes, food, safety advisor. That's where I learned how to preserve food, canning, dehydrating, and

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Bo H: what have you.

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Bo H: anyway? I got that under my belt ended up moving to a little town a little south of of Boise called Cuna, and I had a huge vegetable garden.

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Bo H: and that's really when I got into the canning I was canning up a storm.

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Bo H: and then I met Vicky. That was a number of years after that, and Vicki and I have had many, many adventures, some of them having to do with food, and some of them not.

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Bo H: I'll give you a couple examples. We

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Bo H: we're driving up to Mccall one weekend, and Vicki says, Pull over, pull over, and we're going up the Payette River north to Mccall.

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Bo H: and I go. What are we doing? And she goes, look at all the elderberry bushes. So we harvested a ton of elderberries.

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Bo H: and proceeded to have a blast up in Mccall that weekend, and then the next week, we were making elderberry syrup.

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Bo H: which is a great immune booster. And if you have a cold.

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Bo H: yeah, we'll talk about recipes later. At some time.

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Bo H: And then another adventure that we had that was had nothing to do with food. It was just our

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Bo H: our spirit of adventure. We we went to visit an eagle nest that was on the opposite side of

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Bo H: the the bank where you could access. So we had to slide down

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Bo H: embankments for the irrigation system. It was winter, so there was no water in them

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Bo H: and hike across this terrain to go visit the this amazing bald eagle

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Bo H: nest. We've just had a lot of adventures and a lot of fun.

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Bo H: and then we've gardened together. We had a little

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Bo H: side business called Garden Gurus, where we would give teach people our knowledge, and that was on a donation basis.

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Bo H: I ended up divorcing my husband and moving to Wales.

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Bo H: and I gardened there and had an extraordinary adventure. The gardens were absolutely gorgeous.

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Bo H: was introduced to polytunnels, conservatories, I grew currants and gooseberries that were had diaphore.

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Bo H: And yeah. Then I moved up

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Bo H: north in Idaho. Vicki moved to Mexico.

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Bo H: and we both had our own adventures. Since then I had a couple community garden spaces that I grew a lot of food and kept families well fed and happy.

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Bo H: And Vicki can tell you more about her adventures in Mexico. Take it away, Vic.

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vicki fisk: You.

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vicki fisk: I was born and raised in the Treasure valley here, outside of Boise, in Nampa, Idaho, and I was raised in Boise

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vicki fisk: and le Bois. A French word means the city well, it means the trees, and this area was developed by the French that named it Le Bois. And so it is literally the city of Trees. So it's an absolutely beautiful valley

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vicki fisk: along the Boise River in the high desert.

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vicki fisk: So we have a very diverse ecosystem here, but at the age of 10

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vicki fisk: I started gardening with my mother, and

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vicki fisk: at that point it was mostly cold frame gardening early February and March to get the cucumbers and tomatoes going. Cold frames are amazing, because you can

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vicki fisk: extend the growing season and begin the growing season really early, so that right when it's warm enough. You get your stuff put in. So that was my 1st experience with gardening, and I've never stopped.

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vicki fisk: And I'm 68 years old, and

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vicki fisk: I just want to be buried in a garden, that's you know. I mean.

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vicki fisk: it's just such a big big part of my being on this planet.

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vicki fisk: you know to steward the Earth to learn the systems that work in any area. I've lived in Hawaii. I've lived in Oregon, California.

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vicki fisk: I've lived in several several different elevations in Idaho. I've lived in Baja, California for the last 5 years.

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vicki fisk: and everywhere I've lived I've been able to carve out a little patch of earth and grow food.

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vicki fisk: I live in a very, very nice very quiet neighborhood in Boise, and

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vicki fisk: I've had Csa. Community supported agriculture for the last

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vicki fisk: several years, where I grow enough food, where I can supply not only myself and my family, but 2 or 3 other families throughout the growing season, with bags, fresh bags of produce, you know, for whatever is coming out of the garden. So

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vicki fisk: I really enjoy the idea of being able to help feed people, and many of all of my clients work full time. They don't have time to spend the amount of time it actually takes

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vicki fisk: to grow a large amount of food.

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vicki fisk: and to maintain that water it, fertilize it. Keep keep the pests off of it, harvest it.

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vicki fisk: I make all kinds of products like Beau was saying. I'm an Am. I am a voracious canner and food preservationist, mostly canning and dehydrating.

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vicki fisk: So we want to share a lot of our found wisdom and experiences with the greater public, so that we can all have a hand in our personal, nutritious, sustainable nutrition. And

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vicki fisk: we were just talking about the degradation of our food system in the United States, and how critical it is

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vicki fisk: to become educated on really where our food comes from and how it's grown, and anything we can do to help teach people little, tiny or great big operations.

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vicki fisk: So we're excited to start this program. And I thank you once again, beau for asking me to be part of this, because it's kind of a next step in my desire to reach a little bit bigger audience.

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vicki fisk: So thanks

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Bo H: Yeah. Well, we've been chatting about that quite a bit lately. I did mention the garden.

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Bo H: the gurus of gardening a little bit ago, and we, you know we we got a little bit of a crowd in your backyard teaching

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vicki fisk: And I have.

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Bo H: Prune apple trees, and you know, early spring

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Bo H: different kinds of planting, and what to plant when and

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Bo H: I know for me, and I know I can speak for you, Vip. One of the biggest

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Bo H: desires of your life is to help people just in any way that you can.

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Bo H: and I never, ever thought that I would be on a radio podcast. It never even entered my mind again. Thank you. Q.

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Bo H: But this is a way to reach a larger audience, and we hope that you, if you find anything that we teach you valuable, that you'll tell all your friends and family

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Bo H: to come, join us. It doesn't cost a thing.

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Bo H: and we together have probably close to

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Bo H: how many years did we say

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vicki fisk: I started at 10. So that's that's 50. That's 50 years on my end.

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Bo H: Close to me. Mine, too. So

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Bo H: Vicki's a little younger than me. I'll be 71

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vicki fisk: Yeah.

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Bo H: I don't know how that happened, but

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Bo H: The desire to help people, you know I I've never had a lot of money.

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Bo H: but I've always been able to volunteer.

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Bo H: And so I volunteered for all kinds of different organizations.

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Bo H: because I just have that desire to help people.

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Bo H: And so I'm very thankful that we have the opportunity to do this. Thank you, Don. Thank you, Doug. Thank you, Thomas.

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Bo H: And should we touch on some of the things we hope to talk about in the near future.

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Bo H: whatever that means.

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vicki fisk: Yeah, I think I think if you give a little

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vicki fisk: taste and flavor of some of the upcoming classes. And then I think today we wanted to start with identifying soil and the importance of soil maintenance and and creating soil. We actually have the capacity to create soil. So Bo is going to give a list of some of our upcoming shows, and then we will concentrate on

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vicki fisk: the very, very 1st step in gardening is, where are you going to plant your garden, and what are you going to plant your garden in

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Bo H: Right. So we're talking about the soil today. After all, it is get down and dirty right? So we're gonna get dirty

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vicki fisk: Exactly.

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Bo H: You can. You can. You can wear gardening gloves if you don't want the dirt under your fingernails, although I always joke this time of year. I always have black fingernails. It's just

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vicki fisk: Yeah, that's that's for sure.

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Bo H: Yeah. So some of the things that we will be talking about. And there are many more. I actually wrote down 24 things, and Vic goes. That's a whole year's worth of shows, because we're bi-weekly.

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Bo H: So I I cut the list down. I do have a tendency to get a little wordy at times.

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Bo H: Like Vicki said. The importance of soil we're going to touch on that today, although

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Bo H: pun intended. You can get really deep on that one.

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Bo H: I'm full of them.

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Bo H: We're going to talk about vegetable garden planting requirements. There's a lot of things that that needs to happen for you to have the ultimate, the optimum, ultimate garden. So we'll we'll get into that

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Bo H: herbs and spices. How they've been used throughout history

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Bo H: different products you can make from different herbs and spices in your own kitchen, and we will be providing

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Bo H: recipes and maybe even down the road. We'll do some some videos and post them on our on our page here on bbs, and we might even touch on some magical lore.

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Bo H: What has to do with herbs and spices

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Bo H: again. Vic and I are both big food preservationists. I love to ferment food, I mean, I'm the sauerkraut kraut queen in my family. I like to do pickles. I've just. I love fermentation, and it's actually super good for you. It's full of probiotics. And what have you?

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Bo H: But there's a lot of different ways to preserve your harvest. There's water bathing, there's pressure canning, dehydrating. So we're going to get down and dirty into that one. How to start seeds. The best timing for your seeds. Want to plant them out. All those kinds of goodies.

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Bo H: Also planning a garden, you know, not just sticking things here and there. You know what? What's what's the best place to put your

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Bo H: tomato? And and where should you put your radishes and your lettuce? And then also a lot of people are interested in fruit production. So Orchard, maybe we'll get into berries. I know Vicki's got a great raspberry patch

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vicki fisk: Golden and red. Oh, my gosh!

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Bo H: Oh, I'm jealous, but I'm coming. I'm coming down so

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vicki fisk: I know.

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Bo H: Probably won't be ready when I'm there. But

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vicki fisk: No, they will not they. They'll just be leafing out. They're just leafing out right now.

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Bo H: Yeah.

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Bo H: we're talking about, probably about cover crops and mulching that's that's actually goes hand in hand with your soil. Health.

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Bo H: permaculture practices. Vicky didn't mention it, but she has a certificate in permaculture, and

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vicki fisk: Yes.

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Bo H: With that, you know, talking about food forests and Hugo culture and a whole bunch of other goodies.

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Bo H: I'm really big into foraging, and how to do that sustainably

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Bo H: when, where, and it's different all over. I mean, we're in the United States, and Vicki and I are in Idaho. But where I live in Idaho is totally different than where Vicki lives.

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Bo H: and so you can forage all different kinds of things in different places, and I know that we have a few people that live on the other side of the border that are listening.

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Bo H: Hello, Mel! Hello, Teresa! Hi! Fiona, Australia and New Zealand, and then, hopefully beyond that. So that's another thing you're on. You're in a totally different season of the year. We're just going into spring, and you're just going into fall.

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Bo H: So we'll probably be mostly talking about North, the northern hemisphere. But just flip the scene, because then you can use what we tell you now, when you have your spring

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Bo H: in a year. Anyway, there's so many more things that we're going to talk about. Those are just a few things that we'd like to cover.

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vicki fisk: I'm not chomping at the bit to talk so much about myself, but a lot of that stuff will come out as we go through our different experiences. And

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vicki fisk: I just spread 6 yards of dairy manure in my yard, in my beds

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vicki fisk: have a huge, huge compost pile that we just put everything in, and then every year we dig down into the bottom of it. And it's just this gorgeous, gorgeous loam that comes back out into the garden. So I'm talking about amending the soil.

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vicki fisk: the importance of soil and soil building is number one. As far as I'm concerned, the nutrients are in the soil. That's the only way you're going to get a good harvest, and good tasting food is the more appropriate nutrients, the plants getting. So we have a huge emphasis on

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vicki fisk: how to start a garden. Where are you? Gonna where do you live? What kind of soil do you have? Do you need to remove sod, or

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vicki fisk: we are going to. Well, one of the things in the raspberry patch. I dug all of my raspberries up, because it was inundated with about 5 years worth of crabgrass, which is layer upon layer upon layer of yearly growth, and I dug out all of that crabgrass by hand, replanted all the raspberries with an abundance of

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vicki fisk: I laid down a whole big layer of cardboard and then on top of that cardboard I've mulched. Now, this is a mulching technique.

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vicki fisk: so I'm going to turn it over to Beau, and she'll talk about some of the experiences she's had with Layer or Lasagna gardening, which is so easy. For a 1st time Gardener

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Bo H: So people always go well. How how does that work? Believe it or not? Roots of healthy plants are so strong they're going to go right through the the cardboard or the newsprint into the soil beneath.

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Bo H: You don't have the weeds, because when you cover up the soil, the weed seeds that are already existing there can't. They cannot germinate so they can't grow.

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Bo H: And you have the mulch in between your rows, too, so you don't get any weeds there.

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Bo H: There was an occasional weed that was usually blown in from the wind. Or, Thank you, little birdies from a bird dropping. But I it was amazing, and I had

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Bo H: But another name for it is Lasagna gardening, like Vicki mentioned. There are books called Lasagna Gardening.

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vicki fisk: Well, one thing I want to mention about the newsprint, since there's hardly any printing presses putting out newspapers now is that if you go to a U-haul store. They have huge boxes of of newsprint, and it's not very expensive. You do need to find a store. You do need to find a source for cardboard, because all the grocery stores they sell that cardboard bundled up for recycling. But

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vicki fisk: so I'll probably just stay with that. I don't think I'm going to compost on top of that, because I don't need to. I've composted where the roots are, and where the plants are.

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vicki fisk: And but it's a it's an amazingly easy, very, very sustainable way to start a garden, so you can do that on top of grass. You don't have to dig up grass, just, you know. Figure out how big your garden is that you want to be

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vicki fisk: and do the exact same technique on top of grass, which I have done very, very successfully here, and I mean to tell you it's some of the most beautiful soil and this particular one

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vicki fisk: Which is this is another real good trick. If you live in an urban area where you have tree companies that are cutting down trees, and then they have the big machine that

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vicki fisk: bark chippers, you know. They throw the branches in. You can in Boise. Anyway, you can call the tree companies and ask for a chip drop, and they will come and dump their whole truck full of chips in your driveway

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vicki fisk: And what happens year after year with this, as far as building and creating soil is, as that bark deteriorates and decomposes on top of the

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vicki fisk: cardboard, which eventually goes away, and then your bark chips are on top of soil, the mycelium that starts breaking down those bark chips. After a couple years you got the most beautiful, loamy, nutrient rich mycelium rich. What is mycelium? That is the fungal

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vicki fisk: successful ways of gardening. You don't need a rototiller. You don't need to dig up the soil which does damage the soil actually, because, if you'll notice in late in nature. Wherever you go, the trees drop all their needles or all of their leaves on top of the dirt.

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vicki fisk: and it never leaves nobody's there raking it up, it decomposes. And that's why, when you're out in the forest, or if you're even out in the desert, there's just inches and inches of decomposed material that the plants are living off of every single season. So that's what we're trying to mimic

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vicki fisk: doesn't matter how big or how little you're doing this. But that's what we're trying to achieve is creating the that nutrient base that you're contributing to season after season.

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Bo H: Bags of for product, you'll see is they'll call it organic

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vicki fisk: Well, one of the things about this area is, there's so many different kind of ecosystems, because in the foothills we live. I live down in the valley, and then, just 3 miles away, we start going up into the foothills. It's all sandy.

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vicki fisk: and so what do you do if you have sandy soil. Well, you add some clay soil, and you add some a whole bunch of organic matter because you've got to. You've got to find a way to get the nutrients in the sandy soil, and also to stabilize that, so that it holds some moisture for the roots.

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vicki fisk: I've never taken my soil to get tested, because I know from enough experience that I have mainly clay soil, but you can take soil samples to the extent your State extension office, and and get us

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vicki fisk: a profile of your soil. What? And you can also do? The Ph. I've never done a Ph. Thing if you wanted to get a little more scientific and really figure out what it what nutrients is lacking. But really, if you just continue to add the organic material. You're getting a really good base of nutrients from from leaves grass as long as you're not

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vicki fisk: putting any chemicals on your long grass when you mow your grass all that goes into the compost, all of that, because it's nutrient rich. Another thing I wanted to say about doing the layer gardens, with the the paper or the cardboard on top of grass. The worms are down underneath that grass, if you've got.

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vicki fisk: you know, decent soil with worms, and those worms all come to the top and start digesting that grass, and creating even more nutrient rich soil with the worm castings

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vicki fisk: Very large worm bin in my back.

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vicki fisk: every kind of vegetable you throw out there. And so with with vermiculture, is what it's called with worms.

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vicki fisk: I sell the red wigglers. Those are the those are the composting worms that you really want. Everyone can find night crawlers, but they're not the same. They don't compost as much as the Red Wigglers do. In fact, red Wigglers are what you would use in a composting toilet.

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vicki fisk: all animal manure, except for dogs and cats. All farm animal manure is very nutritious to put back into the soil. That's why cow, manure, horse, sheep.

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vicki fisk: The vegetarians of the animal world. You never want to put. You never want to put meat or dairy in your compost. Everything else is pretty much a go, but never meat or dairy, because that attracts really really negative bacteria.

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vicki fisk: and it has to have sun. It has to have in some heat in order to break down all the way.

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vicki fisk: you know from grass weeds in your in your grass, weeds, in that you might be digging up out of the garden. It can all go in your compost as long as it gets hot enough to kill those seeds

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Bo H: and you just dilute it with water, and you can use it as a foliar. Spray on all of your plants. You can actually feed your plants that way as well

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vicki fisk: We have big 50 gallon drum in in our back. I live right next door to my daughter. So we co garden and co-maintain, our worm piles, and our and our orchards and stuff, but we take a big bag like cotton bag.

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vicki fisk: and we put our worm castings in it, and we make worm tea, which is phenomenal, and we do the same thing with it. We we spray it on the Foliar. It's a foliar fertilizer, and I'm here to tell you. You really don't need more than that.

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vicki fisk: and I'm throwing all my compost that I create all winter long on top of all of that

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vicki fisk: And one important thing about having a worm bin is that you have to have the right ratio of brown and green that you need to put soil in there too.

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vicki fisk: but you need more green than soil. Green is all of your vegetable waste, and all of your leaves, and all of those kinds of things, and then the and then the brown is is actual soil. So I have. I have fed, fed, fed on top of that huge layer of straw and leaves.

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vicki fisk: I just put a whole bunch of dirt in there and watered it down. Really good. So it went through the straw, and now I dug down in and and they're very, very, very active right now

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vicki fisk: they're loving it. I put 2 egg cartons out there, and I put my paper towels out there in my compost from the kitchen. They eat everything they will. They will decompose everything.

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vicki fisk: You can tear up strips of cardboard that doesn't have any writing or or ink on it, and they just munch down on that.

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vicki fisk: It's pretty fascinating. It's really you just let nature do its thing.

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vicki fisk: They know what to do with the right materials. You don't have to manage anything. You just feed them

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Bo H: That's the cheapest pet I've ever heard of, and most pets are so expensive to maintain handy as well

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vicki fisk: Well, we had 25 chickens at 1 point between my daughter and and I, and so we had chicken manure, you know, mixed in the straw, and oh, my gosh.

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vicki fisk: but we don't have chickens anymore. We live in the city, which has an allowance for chickens, and we don't have them anymore, because

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vicki fisk: after a chicken is 2 years old they aren't laying anymore, and we did not have the heart to harvest our chickens for for meals. We just run into that, so we let them live out their lives. But you've got to feed them all winter when there's no foraging, and you know you let them out in the garden, and they eat bugs like crazy. They're the best.

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vicki fisk: But we don't live where we can have chickens free range, you know. So we just we just quit doing that

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Bo H: Yeah, yeah. And I know you at 1 point, you guys also had bees

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vicki fisk: We had bees for years, and over this last 5 years we have not been able to keep the bees alive

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vicki fisk: through the winter. We have tried everything we've used

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vicki fisk: essential oils, which there's a couple different essential oils you can put in there. We have fed them with with the with sugar. We have done everything to keep. We don't know if it's the mites.

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vicki fisk: or if it is some

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Bo H: Could be pesticides, that

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vicki fisk: It pesticides, or you know, I don't really

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Bo H: Dare dare I say chemtrails

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vicki fisk: I was just gonna say, I don't really want to get into the whole Kim trail debate, but they're real, and we don't know what they're doing. But we gave up the bees. You know. We have really really good sources of honey in our valley.

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vicki fisk: which are, you know, easy to come by, but

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vicki fisk: I'm telling you I miss the bees. I really miss them because we have a lot of fruit trees, and oh, my gosh! The harvest is so much better when you've got a really good supply of bees.

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vicki fisk: and they know you.

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vicki fisk: I we had bees for so long, and I've never been stung with them. Once I can walk right up to them, and they're just busy busy in and out of the hive in the heat of the summer, and they know you. They get to know you. Amazingly enough, they are an amazing creature.

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vicki fisk: but we've kinda narrowed down

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vicki fisk: to gardening. Not so much the bees or any animal husbandry that really requires way more than we're willing to do now, and feed is getting more and more expensive for the chickens. You've got to feed them good food during the winter when you're not producing.

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vicki fisk: So I really want to have chickens again because of the degradation of our chicken population in the Us.

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vicki fisk: And what? What? What they're doing to the chickens that are coming on board. I don't. I don't. Wanna I I'm not even gonna eat eggs again.

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Bo H: Yeah.

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vicki fisk: Not store bought ones

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Bo H: I get. I get my aches from my nephew.

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Bo H: who lives about hour north from from me. He's got about 5 acres, and he has chickens and lambs and goats, and

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vicki fisk: Yeah.

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Bo H: He's got a menagerie, and I barter with him for Kombucha. I just wanted to say one more thing because I noticed that we're kind of we're getting close to time. Here is, you know, all the things we're talking about gardening. When you love your plants.

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Bo H: They they know that you. You said something about the bees knowing you well, so do the plants, and you know, maybe at 1 point well, we can get into some of the the biodynamic planting and

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vicki fisk: Oh, yeah.

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Bo H: And the ringing cedars, talks about loving the seeds, and how they know you, and when you, when you love your plants and they love you. The nutrition value goes up

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Bo H: so I think I think it's a wrap. What do you think, Vic?

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vicki fisk: I think we're good to go

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Bo H: All right. Well, I just want to thank everybody for listening in, and we'll be back in 2 weeks.

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Bo H: Same time. Same channel

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Bo H: again, thanks to all of our friends and family for listening in. I also wanted to mention. If you'd like to support our station, there is a subscription button on our page. We love you all, thank you, and let's get down and dirty

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vicki fisk: One other thing is, if you have topics that you would like us to address, or something personal to you, send us. I think there's a way they can. Can they send us

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Bo H: I believe so, if not, we'll we'll get a. We'll get an email address

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vicki fisk: Figure that out

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Bo H: Yeah, yeah.

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vicki fisk: We want to be as helpful as we can. And if you live in this, in this neck of the woods of the us. This is our domain. So we're pretty good at figuring out things to do and not to do which next week maybe we'll talk a little bit about this season right now, and what's going on

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Bo H: And look forward to future guests, too. We'll have other folks on

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vicki fisk: Yes.

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Bo H: So thank you so much, and

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vicki fisk: Right.

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Bo H: Another day have a good one. All

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vicki fisk: Bye, bye, everyone