[00:01] Speaker 1: (mystical music) (chanting) (lion roars)

[01:02] Speaker 2: Greetings, everybody. This is James Gillan with As You Wish Talk Radio and ECETI Stargate. So much to cover right now. I mean, the world is fricking going nuts right now.

[01:29] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[01:29] Speaker 2: Uh, we've got massive solar, uh, holes, coronal holes opening up, you know, streaming energy, and we've got X-class flares. The Schumann resonance is totally whited out, and, uh, reality is flipping all over the place. So, it's, don't think you're crazy. It may not be you, you know? So ...

[01:49] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[01:49] Speaker 2: Anyway, just, you know, practice that loving detachment, and, and don't, and don't, you know, beat yourself up right now. Everybody's stuff's coming up. Uh, every, a lot of people, some people are owning it and healing it, and some people are projecting and blaming. Unfortunately, the masses usually project and blame. So, uh, you know, don't take it personal, and just spend some quality time with yourself out in nature. That's, that's your best way to get through these times, and, you know, prepare on every lev- on every level, you know, emotionally, physically, spiritually, every level, basically. But, uh, on that note, I've got an awesome guest. I've been wanting to get him on the show, and we finally got an opening, and David c- David Clements, and, uh, he's an, an interesting guy.

[02:36] Speaker 2: He has so much-

[02:37] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[02:37] Speaker 2: ... going on, I don't even know where to start. But he studied and worked as a professional theoretical physicist and mathematician in some of the world's leading and prestigious academic institutions, including Cambridge and Oxford Universities, before becoming involved in free energy, remote viewing, and extraterrestrial contact. The previous research David was involved in was developing superstring models, a mainstream fundamental quantum theory of particles as vibrating string objects, and magnetic backgrounds and advanced models, extended electromagne- electromagnetic- electromagnetitism. God, my voice is... I've got, like ...

[03:20] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[03:20] Speaker 2: What do you call it? Uh, vog. I got all the-

[03:22] Speaker 3: Right. (laughs)

[03:22] Speaker 2: ... vog from the volcano in my throat's not working. Anyway, uh, anyway, he's got, you know, he's ... You know, he has all kinds of backgrounds in electromagneticism and, from, from enhanced spacetime backgrounds. And he worked with, uh, seminal inventors such as Tom Bearden, John Bedini, including collaborative work during post doc- doctoral research position in Scotland, right, our family's from there.

[03:50] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[03:50] Speaker 2: Which also included appearing in a documentary with them called Energy from the Vacuum. This documentary was an ensamble of researchers and inventors from around the world featuring their findings and discoveries. The current research David is involved in is developing and discovering principles and applications within the field he calls Living Energy Physics, a new concept of matter and fields as generated holographic forms from source intelligence. He's also had extensive experiences with higher dimensional beings while alongside this developing his inner bridge and synergy with the Higher Self for over 20 years. David works with these highly evolved beings to develop, you know, both living energy technologies and to provide activations, meditations, information, for those wishing to develop their own bridge with Higher, uh, and Source, Higher Intelligence and Source.

[04:46] Speaker 2: And at the center of this, of this is the Infinity Point Galaxy, a sacred point that each of us as our own sacred direct connection with the Infinite Source Intelligence within. All right, got through that. (laughs)

[05:01] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[05:01] Speaker 2: Without any further ado, I wanna bring David on the show. If you see me swinging at stuff, that's because we, we've got these no-see-ums here in Hawaii.

[05:09] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[05:09] Speaker 2: And, and mosquitoes, and they seem to, they wait until I come on the show, and then all of a sudden they're, like, in your face.

[05:16] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[05:16] Speaker 2: I don't, I don't know who's sending them, but, uh, they will be gone here soon.

[05:21] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[05:22] Speaker 2: But, uh, anyway, welcome to the show, David.

[05:24] Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for having me on, James. It's a real, uh, pleasure to be here. It's great to meet you as well, finally, 'cause, uh, yeah, I've, um, followed your work on and off in bits and pieces. Uh, um, I think particularly, um, I think at the same time I followed Michael's work, uh, uh, Michael Salla's work as well. And, uh, yeah, well, he's certainly living in interesting times right now, that is for sure.

[05:45] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[05:45] Speaker 2: Yeah, Michael's really been under the gun. You know, when you're on the forefront of this work, you're gonna get hit, you know, by these entities, whatever you wanna call them, you know, the Demiurge, Archons, demonic, or... And, you know, a lot of people aren't who they say they are in the UFO community, and they're actually working with these energies. So-

[06:04] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[06:04] Speaker 2: ... when you, when you figure out who they are, then that energy comes after you. And I've seen this with so many people, and I've also noticed a lot of people are checking out.And, uh, their life force energy is diminishing rapidly right now because they're on the wrong side-

[06:20] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[06:21] Speaker 2: ... side of the fence. But, I mean, that's a whole different subject but... I think I'll let you just take off and, and... Oh, one more thing. Everybody say a prayer for Japan. Um, I think the last show we said, "Watch Japan, it's probably gonna have a pretty big quake," and they just had a 7.4.

[06:36] Speaker 3: Yes.

[06:36] Speaker 2: So, uh, um, keep an eye on that. There's gonna be a lot more to come and, uh, and so keep them in our prayers. And on that note, David, welcome to the show.

[06:47] Speaker 3: Okay, yeah. Thanks again, James. Yeah, as I say, it's very cool to be here, and I'm sure we'll have some really cool discussions. (laughs) We had a, a chat I think maybe, uh, a week, two weeks ago I think, uh, over the phone. We had a-

[06:59] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[06:59] Speaker 3: ... really cool three-hour chinwag-

[07:01] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[07:01] Speaker 3: ... against all our... We had all sorts of things. It was really fun, uh, chatting about that stuff with you. So, uh, so yeah, well, hello to all of your audience and everyone who's listening as well, and it's, uh, it's great to be able to share this information far and wide. So, uh, and, and really my ethos about doing all of this is, is absolutely about self-empowerment, you know. There's nothing more important than people going inwards, um, understanding themselves, learning about themselves, and connecting within, and realizing the, the immense unlimited creative power they have there. And, and that all comes from my perspective from what I call the source love intelligence or the creator. There's so many different words that people choose to describe it.

[07:41] Speaker 3: But, uh, as, um, the beings that we are with the soul, um, uh, the, the soul setup, higher self set-up, you know, that's a whole discussion (laughs) in and of itself, that we have, we have this very powerful bridge, you know, which, um, I just refer to as the sacred heart gateway or the infinity point gateway, which is our direct access to the source intelligence itself. And we... every human being has this, but most human beings are completely unaware that it's even there.

[08:11] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[08:11] Speaker 3: And so, you know, there has been this historical dichotomy that people have gone through this sort of deep sleep where they think they're just this bumbling feather being buffered around in the wind, you know, swung that way, swung this way, you know, with nothing much to offer or be other than just what they think and what they're told they are, uh, you know, from anyone outside.

[08:32] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[08:32] Speaker 3: Which, of course, is utter nonsense, and now in the awakening, part of that unfolding process as I see it, is very much people learning to realize this whole opening, this, this connection within is really opening up and it's driving people's stuff forward and out because that's the cover, that's all the mud, the minutia, all the stuff that keeps it sort of closed down and keeps you unaware of it. But as that comes off, you're, you know, as the mud releases and comes away, you're gonna feel a lot lighter, a lot higher. And I remember the teams were describing to me, it's a little bit like you get a shift forward and then the mud comes up, you feel like you're taking steps back.

[09:10] Speaker 3: That gets cleared if you take the clearing (laughs) steps, and then you shift upwards again, and it's almost like a zigzag that goes up like that, and you keep going and going, and eventually you clear yourself of so much that those, uh, access, gateways, whatever you wanna call them, are so fully open, now you're literally emanating such a powerful level of source intelligence, your higher self-intelligence, whatever you want to call it. Um, and now you're moving in the demai- or the, the territory of where the masters were, where these, these amazing beings, um, you know, uh, ETs, Arcturians, Pleiadians are already at. And, um, and in my experience with them, that's one of the core things, and in fact, and I've said it many times, that the Arcturians who are renowned for their, um, just fantastical...

[09:57] Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know what else to say, innovations, their, their living energy, uh, technology, although I don't like to use the word technology but that's just, you know-

[10:06] Speaker 2: Right.

[10:06] Speaker 3: ... fair reference, you know, um, is so, uh, so advanced and they, they work with, in... with living energetics. And I was working with them one time and, uh, and they were trying to help me understand a certain coil system that they, they wanted me to build, and I was kinda struggling a little bit. And I was getting a bit frustrated 'cause the information stopped and the flow stopped, I thought, "Oh, man," you know, I really (laughs) wanted to, to get this on the road, you know.

[10:31] Speaker 3: And, um, and the Arcturians came through and they said, "Well, what's happening now is that you're trying to approach this from a mind-based point of view."

[10:39] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[10:39] Speaker 3: "Now, you cannot perceive what we're trying to give you through the mind. It, it isn't capable yet of perceiving it like this. What you need to do is come back down into your heart center and see it from your heart intelligence, then you will understand what you're being shown." And because I had such a lot of admiration in a way for what the Arcturians have done and the level of their, th- how... their ships, the stuff they can do, you know, going from one galaxy to another within a sp- w- apparently a split second, I mean, it's phenomenal stuff. You know, for them to say that really helped me open my sort of, uh, perception to, wow, heart intelligence, that core heart intelligence, and this is, you know, some time ago, was really, um, you know, really the place to be.

[11:23] Speaker 3: And, um, so I've had this journey of, um, working with the Pleiadians, working with the Arcturians, and I call the team, which includes other beings that have come through from Andromeda and other places as well, and some of them are, are coming from other galaxies as well, and I, I, I've, I've asked them for their names sometimes but they say it, I can't even pronounce it, so I'm not even going to. (laughs)

[11:45] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[11:46] Speaker 3: I, I don't think it's even pronounceable in human language. (laughs) So it's, you know. Um, but they are... there's a lot of active presence by very advanced beings from other galaxies here as well, because this is a huge event we're undergoing right now. It's not just our little, tiny, little bit of space, you know, two thirds out the way from the th- (laughs) et cetera of the galaxy, you know. This is quite huge.

[12:08] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[12:08] Speaker 2: Yeah. And they have a lot of consonants in their names, like-

[12:11] Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. Right. (laughs)

[12:12] Speaker 2: And you can't... It, it is un... Some of them are unpronounceable, and-

[12:16] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[12:17] Speaker 2: ... and they don't care, really. They don't care if you-

[12:19] Speaker 3: That... Yes, that's true.

[12:20] Speaker 2: It's more of a frequency and an energy they want you to connect in, and they're more of-

[12:23] Speaker 3: Yes.

[12:23] Speaker 2: ... a collective too.

[12:24] Speaker 3: Yes. Yes.

[12:25] Speaker 2: So, so they really don't care. You know, I w- I was working with these scientists and, uh-You know, to kind of give credence to what you were just saying. And I love what he said, he says, "Science comes to you." It does not-

[12:38] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[12:38] Speaker 2: You're not gonna learn it in books. A lot of that's recycled-

[12:41] Speaker 3: Yes.

[12:41] Speaker 2: ... ignorance, you know?

[12:42] Speaker 3: Yes, yes.

[12:42] Speaker 2: And, uh, science comes to you. And he created a device, I mean, it was this fit in your hand, you know? It was the size of a small pie plate, it had nine coils and, and each coil put out 25,000 watts, and he had other, just smaller, backwards, I call them dinosaur projects, you know? He had his own-

[13:01] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[13:01] Speaker 2: ... little flying saucer that he could fly around and, and... You know, we have all this technology, it's crazy, but I sat in a room and, and there were several people, uh, a guy named Nassim was there, Walter Rosenthal, the Rocket Man, uh, this other guy, I could try to remember his name. There was three or four other guys in there. These are some of the top minds, and one of the guys was actually with the CIA (laughs) and he was a, a, a lawyer and physicist combination both, and, uh, and these guys, he, he said, "Okay, I'll tell you what, I'm gonna take this device out," one of his dinosaur models, and he said, "If you can figure it out, you can have it."

[13:43] Speaker 3: Hmm.

[13:44] Speaker 2: And so...

[13:45] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[13:45] Speaker 2: Yeah. And so, I think you could figure it out, you're probably one of the few people. And I f-... I understood it, but I don't know how he did it, but I understand that he's using combinations of crystals and elements to tap the void, you know, the, the whatever you wanna call it, but, uh, infinite energy. But, uh, he, he, you know, he's, he had this device and, and so they, they took it all apart, they proved there wasn't any battery or anything running it, and, uh, put it back together a couple of times, and, and I had to sit in the room with them to make sure, you know-

[14:23] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[14:23] Speaker 2: ... it didn't disappear. But, uh, but anyway, uh, they were just going, "This, this makes no sense."

[14:31] Speaker 3: Right.

[14:31] Speaker 2: It, it makes no sense to them whatsoever.

[14:34] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[14:34] Speaker 2: And, and mainly because the science we've been taught is wrong, and even some of our best minds that have access to the, the o- other stuff are still kind of working in the dinosaur ages.

[14:47] Speaker 3: Oh, yes. Yeah.

[14:48] Speaker 2: But, uh, I, I do know what we have. I know we have magnetic li- light tables, med beds. We have all that stuff.

[14:55] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[14:56] Speaker 2: And, uh, and I know it's coming out but, you know, the, the main, most of the masses think they're a body and a personality. They're a meat suit, basically, and that's it.

[15:05] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[15:06] Speaker 2: They don't realize, you know, that they're a vast being existing on a vibrational continuum, you know? There's more levels all the way back to the source.

[15:14] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[15:15] Speaker 2: But, but and so they're, they're kind of clueless about this stuff. I mean, they still think you need gas that's in the wheel-

[15:20] Speaker 3: Right. (laughs)

[15:21] Speaker 2: ... and tires. You don't even need tires.

[15:24] Speaker 3: Well-

[15:24] Speaker 2: But, and then, and then you have the hidden tech, you know? And then you have levels above that. The hidden tech stuff is, is 100 years plus ahead of us, you know, in technology.

[15:37] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[15:37] Speaker 2: Probably thousands. But, uh, and then you've got levels upon levels upon levels, but, but, uh, it, it's really interesting. I- I'm definitely gonna figure out a way to get you guys together.

[15:49] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[15:50] Speaker 2: Because he's all about the heart and, and about having the, uh, kind of like the moral and, and the integrity, you know? Having high levels, moral integrity levels and-

[16:03] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[16:03] Speaker 2: ... and, uh, and he said, you know, he found some things that, that he said, "No." That's... He just got rid of it. He said, "We're not ready yet for this. We can't let this out, you know, on the planet."

[16:16] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.

[16:17] Speaker 2: But, um, and there's several people like that that I've run across that are, are in the know-

[16:23] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[16:23] Speaker 2: ... and they've been involved in, in a lot of these projects, you know?

[16:28] Speaker 3: Yes.

[16:28] Speaker 2: But, uh, that we don't, we're not supposed to talk about, you know? (laughs)

[16:31] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[16:31] Speaker 2: But, uh, which is all coming out now, and, uh, uh, you know, it's a- it's amazing, and I, my, one of my dreams is to get a group together like people like you and some other scientists, and, and create all of these healing formulas and technologies. I know where they are, I know who has them, into one space, and just create a major healing center, you know, for, for people. It's almost like a one-stop-

[17:00] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[17:00] Speaker 2: ... clear field everything healing center, but...

[17:03] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[17:04] Speaker 2: And, uh, and you know, there'd be counseling, there would be everything there, you know?

[17:08] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[17:09] Speaker 2: Just... 'Cause you can heal somebody and they'll just recreate the same thing again, you know?

[17:13] Speaker 3: Yes.

[17:13] Speaker 2: They don't clear the pattern.

[17:15] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[17:15] Speaker 2: But, I know I got off track a little bit but I just wanted to...

[17:18] Speaker 3: No, for sure. Listen, we-

[17:19] Speaker 2: Yeah, I need to mention that because-

[17:21] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[17:21] Speaker 2: ... we, we've got to get outside the box or we're not gonna figure any of this out.

[17:26] Speaker 3: Well, you know, to come back to what you were saying is a really interesting point, and I wanted to kind of, uh, springboard off of that if you, if you're okay with that.

[17:33] Speaker 2: Sure.

[17:34] Speaker 3: And it comes back to the simplicity of (clears throat) the way that, um, I was brought up in mainstream physics, and I was, I was absolutely dead set I wanted to be a, a mainstream theoretical physicist. I thought that was the way to peel back the boundaries and (laughs) understand the inner workings of the universe. But pretty soon, uh, during my PhD I realized, eh, something is not right here. You know, this... And that's at the same time I connected with Tom Bearden because I was kind of, you know, intuitively, not knowing I was being intuitive at the time, but, you know, part of me was saying, "Hey, go type in these keywords in the computer (laughs) and see what you find," you know? And that's how I came across Tom.

[18:10] Speaker 3: But, um, with my, uh, work with the, the, um, with the Arcturians and other beings like that, and, and, um, with my own investigations, um, this is exactly right, that the intelligence of the heart center, the perceptibility from the heart center, what it has shown me, is that in fact when you look at mainstream physics, what it says is, here is a whole Lego land.You can mix and match the Lego pieces as much as you want, but you can't change the Lego pieces, you can't swap them out for anything else. This is what you've got. So be as creative and as cool as you want. That's all you get. Now, here's- that's where the problem is, because you're now confined to a tiny, tiny small playpen of what we just call the material realm only.

[18:54] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[18:55] Speaker 3: And that's where if you just perceive in those- in those ways, in those terms, you are never going to get access to anything else, because you are locking your perception, you're locking your, uh, cre- your essential- your manifestation of your outer reality into a materially locked configuration. So what you get is, you know, it's like, you know, when they talk about, "Oh, you can't get something for nothing and yada, yada, yada."

[19:19] Speaker 4: (laughs) .

[19:19] Speaker 3: Well, in that realm, that- that perception seems to be true, 'cause people actually create it and feed it back to themselves, because they're locked in that loop.

[19:28] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[19:28] Speaker 3: But I always say to people, "Here's- here's the fundamental thing. Where did it all come from?" You know, if... I always say to physicists, it's like, "Well, if- if, uh-"

[19:37] Speaker 4: (laughs) .

[19:37] Speaker 3: "... energy can't be transformed, transduced, you know, um, created or what have you, then where did it all come from in the first place?" (laughs) You know, if-

[19:46] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[19:46] Speaker 3: ... you know, that would have to mean that the entire universe, all the energy inside it, was a universal constant that couldn't be changed. How much is that and w- who set it that way? Now, uh, that's just a playful little idea for people to have a mull on, but essentially, when you go deeper, you realize that all matter is simply a sort of magnetic condensation, if you like, or compression of this source intelligence in manifesting itself in different ways. And it can be changed. But to change it, you need to be at a level of consciousness where you can access that.

[20:20] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[20:20] Speaker 3: And that's a key point, because... And I think it's set out such a- in a- such a beautiful way, because you can't have a bunch of cavemen (laughs) who were suddenly finding access to incredibly high-energy systems and going, "Woohoo," you know? It would probably create a bit of a mess.

[20:37] Speaker 4: Yeah, "Here's a, here's a nuclear bomb. That'll take care of it."

[20:39] Speaker 3: (laughs) Right, so, uh...

[20:40] Speaker 4: "I'll get rid of the T-Rex forever." You too, though. But...

[20:43] Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, so I think in a way, part of it is that, um, it's up to humanity to learn to go inside to get at that level, so that they can access all of the goodies that underlie the stage of what we call the material world. And so there you find, uh, you know, unlimited energy creation. You can lens it, you can focus it, you can channel it, you can do all sorts of things with it, in, you know... as long as you understand and you are- your consciousness is at that level. And this is what the Arcturians were trying to tell me.

[21:16] Speaker 3: They said, "No, no, no, no, no, look, you are trying to form a living field system, but you're trying to approach it from a materialistic, intellectual way of doing things."

[21:26] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.

[21:26] Speaker 3: "So you've gotta come out of that. You've gotta come into your heart perception and literally perceive the reality of- of what is really going on behind it, then you have access, then you can key into it." And that's the problem, because, uh, you know, as you know (laughs) , physicists and mathematicians are not the most far-sighted people in the- on the planet.

[21:45] Speaker 4: (laughs) .

[21:45] Speaker 3: So it's a tricky dichotomy, because they keep going at things mental, mental, mental, mental, mental, and wonder why they keep hitting the wall. Well, it's where you're hitting the wall of your own- your own perceptive limitations. That's what's happening. And so, yeah, there's- there is this comp- I think I was quite fortunate in a way, and when I say fortunate, I think, you know, everybody designs their lives before they come in, to a- to a great degree. But I had this experience when I went into JonBenet's lab, and that's the first time I experienced the living energetic, the intelligent nature of the energy that was being emanated from the systems that he was making.

[22:20] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[22:21] Speaker 3: So to give a quick example to your audience, so I- I had this wonderful privilege to meet Jon. He was such a cool guy, you know? He was a barrel of laughs. He really was. He was so fun.

[22:29] Speaker 4: (laughs) .

[22:30] Speaker 3: And, um, anyway, so he wanted to show me his running, uh... He had a series of, um, sort of, uh, helix wound coils, and they were all running magnets rotating round, and he would feed the energy into batteries one way and, you know, he'd be getting more out than he was putting in. Anyway, so I went into this room, and it was an open door room. There- it- it's like a- an opening where two doors should be, but weren't. They were taken off, and there was an open, um... It was like a unit within his main industrial unit, so it was kind of open. So but as soon as I walked through the threshold of the- the- the seeming boundaries of this little unit he had, the energy went fooo, it went really high. I mean, super high. And I walked in and I thought, "Whoa," 'cause I was very sensitive at that time. And, um, I thought, "What is that?" And Jon looked at me, thought, "Huh," (laughs) , "what's wrong with you?" (laughs) You know, like his...

[23:22] Speaker 3: I'm not sure- I wasn't- I'm not sure if he could feel the energy, but he- he kind of really knew his way around building these.

[23:28] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[23:28] Speaker 3: Um, and anyway, I walk back out and I walk back in. I said, "Yeah," I said, "I'm feeling the massive change." And he sort of smiled and laughed and he said-

[23:35] Speaker 4: (laughs) .

[23:35] Speaker 3: ..."Come on, I'll show you- I'll show you some more stuff." But what- what struck me is that this energy would stay within the confines of the room. You know, even though there was an opening, if it was just a- a- an unintelligent fluid, it would easily just have just wafted out into the room and just filled every space that it wanted to.

[23:53] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[23:53] Speaker 3: But it didn't. There was an intelligent selection of what it was doing, which is a- a very different kettle of fish. And this very much lends itself to my experiences of- of having, um... Like I've spoken to, um, o- other interviewers as well about the bilocation I do with going, uh, to, you know, uh, meet with inner earth beings and, uh, the Arcturians and so forth. Now, the Arcturians, in particular, when I go on their ships, so, you know, you bilocate to the ships, the l- the environment is living energy. It's not static, stagnant, technological fields. These are living, almost fluid, intelligent fields.

[24:34] Speaker 3: Very different from what we're used to-

[24:36] Speaker 4: Hm.

[24:37] Speaker 3: ... in, you know, everyday worlds of what we see around us. It's interactive, it's intelligent. You can literally interact with the- with the body of the ship. It's- it's a very, very powerful and living, intelligent system.And that's how they do. You know, you go up there, there's no electronic panels. There's, there's nothing-

[24:55] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[24:55] Speaker 3: ... that we see (laughs) like down here at all, you know. It's very different, because they, they, they work on a, on a conscious level that's so very high. They understand that their holy consciousness is creating their entire environment around them, and they can bend it, change it, do as they wish with it, morph their ships, you name it. I mean, the, the list goes on. It really does. And I believe that's where we're going to as a species, a human race. We are breaking free of the stricture of material paradigm, of rules and regulations, can't dos, can dos. No, you can only do if- none of that. You know, we're, we're lifting the veils to realize that energy is, is a, is a fluid, living essence. Let's just call it that, 'cause there's no other, you know, English words, really, to, to get to the nitty-gritty of it, um, that responds to us exactly.

[25:46] Speaker 3: But because humanity has been such a state of self-constriction, and self cannot do, can't do, mustn't do, we literally recreate those same rules and regulations on the energy that we live in. And so it repeats that to us. And so we feel like we're locked into this third-dimensional cage, and it's like, "Oh, god, ho- how do we do anything in here?" Well, it's, you've, you've kind of gripped yourself in. But the good thing is, you can ungrip yourself from it as well (laughs) . That's the cool thing. So no one's holding you there but ourselves. And that's a key thing to understand, definitely.

[26:20] Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, like you're talking about, bilocation and-

[26:23] Speaker 3: Mm.

[26:24] Speaker 2: ... phasing out and, uh, all, all those things are, are really part of our natural-

[26:29] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[26:30] Speaker 2: ... you know, source, you know, gifts that we all have within us that need to be-

[26:35] Speaker 3: Definitely, yeah.

[26:35] Speaker 2: ... unlocked. And, and, uh, we, I, I'm going to do a lecture in Colorado where I'm gonna show a lot of this. We actually photograph a lot of this happening, where you can see, you know... I, I told one photographer, I said, "Okay, I'm gonna go out. I'll tell you when. I go now." And he takes a picture, and you can see-

[26:51] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[26:51] Speaker 2: ... me coming out of my body with my eyes open and my eyes are closed while I'm sitting there, you know?

[26:57] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[26:57] Speaker 2: And, uh, we have all of this documented, you know, where people are phasing in and out and, you know, going from, from energy and light bodies, you know, back to a-

[27:08] Speaker 3: Yes.

[27:08] Speaker 2: ... physical and-

[27:09] Speaker 3: Yes.

[27:09] Speaker 2: And we all have that ability. And, and, uh, you know, I, I just think my whole thing is creating a school especially for the kids, you know, that already, a lot of them already have these abilities, but they don't have anybody to help them understand it, and they freak out when things happen. And, and, uh, you know, like it'd be like a, I don't wanna say a Jedi, more of a spiritual-

[27:33] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[27:34] Speaker 2: ... teaching school that would tell people how to use these abilities in a positive direction, you know, and, and really anchor in universal law, you know, as a foundation.

[27:45] Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, who doesn't want a lightsaber, huh? (laughs)

[27:47] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

[27:49] Speaker 3: Yeah, I, I agree. I, I feel that that's one of the big things. And in my personal path and my investigations as well, that's the, the central theme, is unlearning what you have learned, you know?

[28:01] Speaker 2: Exactly.

[28:01] Speaker 3: I think that's a phrase within, uh, some film somewhere. Maybe Yoda said it somewhere or something. Um, but it's very true, because from the word go, you know, and I, I say to people that, you know, when you look at a baby, a newborn baby, it's so wide open and its perceptibility is so powerful. It sees things in the room that you just can't see, you know?

[28:20] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[28:20] Speaker 3: They'll be talking to things that you th- "Well, what are you talking to?" You know? (laughs) Um, and there's lots of other things that go on there. And most people will dismiss that as, "Oh, it's just a young baby. It's finding its way," and everything. But I, I do believe their level of perception is so much higher. But when they get into, you know, school and other things and, you know, start getting crammed down with all the rules and regulations, dos and don'ts, you know, that perceptibility... And that's what happened to me, you know. Um, I was very imaginative, very artistic as a child. And, uh, and funny enough, I didn't have a mathematical bone in my body (laughs) .

[28:53] Speaker 3: I couldn't get it-

[28:53] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[28:53] Speaker 3: ... didn't understand it all. It was a real, uh, switch for me. Um, but I was just away with imagination all the time. I just loved, you know, the possibility of what if, you know. I, I couldn't stand limitation or being told, uh, you know, "You can't think like that. You can't do that," you know, whatever. Um, and then something switched and changed, and then I went really deeply into mathematics and physics. And, and there seemed to be a marrying of the two that seemed to happen between the sort of, the intellectual applicator side and the intuitive perceiver initiator side, if you like. So that there was this, this balance that started to, to occur. And, and I realized that, you know, as I was in science, everybody around me was just really just left-brained. It was all intellect, it was all just a big calculation or problem to solve. And I thought, "Where's... There's no creativity here.

[29:45] Speaker 3: No, no one's investigating the what ifs, the possibilities, what if that's wrong, what if this is right over here," you know? And so there's a lot of that that goes on. And I, I feel that that's kind of at a point where I had to leave academia, because, um... And it was during the point where I was collaborating with John and Tom very heavily. And I thought, you know, uh, 'cause my job at the time was to try to formulate a, a model, a mathematical model of how this stuff was working.

[30:12] Speaker 3: And I just went, "It can't be done." I, it-

[30:15] Speaker 2: (laughs) Yeah.

[30:15] Speaker 3: It cannot be done with mathematical language, because mathematics itself is a structural language which applies very well for structural events, but has nothing to say about living field fluid energetics. It's not set up for that. It d- it doesn't, 'cause it inherently is a fixed structure. I mean, the number system, they're all fixed number, uh, systems.

[30:37] Speaker 2: (laughs) Yeah.

[30:38] Speaker 3: You know, they're not, they're, they don't have a quantum fluidity about them. They're fixed and they're structural. So like I say to people, it's really good at predicting, uh, you know, sort of stiff, mechanical, linear systems like that. But you move away from that and you go into the fundamentals of li- you know, living fluid systems, it all falls to pieces and it has nothing to say.

[30:58] Speaker 2: I think Einstein said that, didn't he? Like, "Alas, I'm without all mathematics to touch upon forever," or something like that, or-

[31:05] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[31:06] Speaker 2: Every, every, every real physicist... I always tell people, every priest, every scientist, everything, eventually you're gonna have two options.

[31:17] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[31:17] Speaker 2: Either you're gonna go insane...Right?

[31:20] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[31:20] Speaker 2: You're trying, you're trying to capitalize everything into your book, and, and your view of the universe.

[31:25] Speaker 3: Right.

[31:26] Speaker 2: Or you're gonna let go of it, you know?

[31:28] Speaker 3: That's... Yeah, definitely. That's... I would definitely recommend people (laughs) do the latter. That's... (laughs) Yeah, that's-

[31:35] Speaker 2: Yeah. Would you say, would you say there's, like... You know, I try to explain it simply to people. I tell them there's a vibrational continuum, and it goes from consciousness to light to energy to mass. Sound is in there somewhere. I'm not exactly sure. Somewhere at the top. But, uh... And then, and then basically, everything is just, like you said, condensed consciousness and energy.

[31:55] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[31:55] Speaker 2: It's, it's not really physical. We think it's physical. But again, un- until you fully embrace this and understand this, and get rid of all your trauma and social engineering and all the other stuff-

[32:11] Speaker 3: Yes.

[32:11] Speaker 2: ... you're not gonna be able to work within this field.

[32:15] Speaker 3: Well, you know, one of the things that's interesting I always say to people, and it comes down to intent as well, because one of the things that became very clear to me, working with the arts and other teams, is that energy itself can form packets. And within those packets, it has intent coding, you know, in itself. And they're saying these are vibrational complexes, but they always, you know... The one thing I, I got to learn from them is they're saying, well, you know, um, about talking about the frequency everything, but they said what... A frequency is a vibration of something, and the frequency is how many oscillations per second, or, you know, or count of measure of frequency that way.

[32:50] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[32:50] Speaker 3: But they're saying that is very important, but they're saying even more fundamental, what is it that is actually vibrating?

[32:57] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[32:57] Speaker 3: That's another key thing. So, there is frequency, but there's also the essence that is vibrating to give rise to the frequency of something. And they're saying that's where you get lower and lower and lower. Not, not lower as in (laughs) you know, but you get deep down into the fundamentals, and they're saying that this is a thing. They're saying when you look at matter, atoms, you know, subatomic particles, all those kind of things, these are, uh, sort of condensed forms of energy that contain intent coatings to behave in a particular way. So, like, bump on this when you hit it. Do this when you do this. So, they have almost this sort of set up, uh, set of instructions in... That, that it says we are part of making, as creator beings, to get matter to behave in, as we see it, a very dense thr- you know, with very basic properties of momentum. You hit a wall, it's gonna hit you back. It's gonna hurt. Simple things like that.

[33:50] Speaker 3: But then, we know, for example, like, I, you know, I know you have a wealth of experience where, you know, ships can just seemingly move through material objects and just disappear without doing. They can phase through.

[34:01] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[34:01] Speaker 3: They can change the nature of the energy behavior of the fundamental packets that make up the subatomics, the atoms, all that stuff, so they can mold it, change it, sculpt it, do whatever they wanna do with it. And that's an exciting possibility, 'cause it shows us we're not in this caged domain of, "No, sorry, you can't go there. There are limitations." There are no limitations. It's all energy sculpting. Uh, but do you have the conscious tools to be able to sculpt the matter, the reality, everything that you're in, and lend it or purpose it in a way that you want to use it or want to apply it? So, these advanced ETs, they have that, and they've got it down to such a, such an artistry, you know?

[34:44] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[34:44] Speaker 3: They do these phenomenal things, you know? (laughs)

[34:47] Speaker 2: Yeah. They use a lot more of the unified field than we do. They have access to it, and, and use it.

[34:53] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[34:53] Speaker 2: And, and, uh, I tell you what's interesting. Uh, I have it on video, actually. A ship came in, and it was sitting there, and it divided into three different ships.

[35:03] Speaker 3: Ah, cool. (laughs)

[35:04] Speaker 2: And, and so then my mind starts going, "Okay. Are they, like, time jumping and then jumping back? Or, or, or just recreating everything three times? Or what?" You know, I mean, my, my head's all going through that, and then I go, "Okay. Well, wait a second. If I was on one of those ships, and I looked across the way, and I'm seeing myself on the other ship, what is that gonna do to my head? You know? What does that..."

[35:30] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[35:31] Speaker 2: And am I gonna like that person, you know? (laughs)

[35:34] Speaker 3: Yes. Yes, yes.

[35:34] Speaker 2: You know? And, and it really messes... It really starts a big mind eff, you know? When you, when you think about this, it's like, that kind of consciousness or, or advancement, or whatever you wanna call it, that can morph a ship into three different ships with all the same crew-

[35:52] Speaker 3: Yes. Yes, yeah.

[35:53] Speaker 2: ... and, and, and do something like that, it's so far beyond... It's, it's just beyond most people's ability to grasp. You know, what would that be like?

[36:03] Speaker 3: And I think that's a, that's another key point, because I believe that that is one of the unfoldings that humanity is actually being asked to go through. It's, can you step by step let go of the rigidity of what you think is real, what you think is solid? Yes, that's defined. I'm familiar with that. That's my comfort blanket. All those kind of things. And can you move into a more fluid nature, where you can see things slightly morphic, moving, starting to change? Because I feel that this is like a sort of, um, a graduation in, in many ways, but one of the qualities of the graduation is learning to see energy no longer as a s- a confined, very, you know, strictly behaved system of this is how it is and no more, into, oh, it's changing now. It's gonna luminesce. It's moving. It just disappeared. All those things that we would perceive as crazy are actually commonplace as you move up in high consciousness.

[36:58] Speaker 3: Because matter cannot be held in such a highly densified state as you move up in conscious, because the, the, the fields that confine them release, because you're now moving up into high consciousness. It can't compress like that anymore. It is much more fluid. It's dynamic. It disappears, interchanges, morphs, does all these cool things, exactly like what you were just describing then. So, I think that's part of this, part of the very gentle-

[37:24] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[37:24] Speaker 3: ... although not so gentle in some cases, you know, movement or evolution that people are going through, 'cause they're having and they're seeing some strange things, and they don't necessarily know what to, to make of it. Well, I would sort of, uh, maybe suggest that one possibility, a very strong possibility, uh-Is that as... If you're somebody who's working on yourself, and you're really raising your, your, uh, your connection with inside and raising the energy of your entire system, not just your physical body, all the fields and layers that make up you, you're gonna start... Matter's going to start changing and responding you to in different ways. And you're gonna see phenomena which is... Initially, you may think, "Oh my God. Did that just happen?" You know. So, uh, yeah, I think that's definitely a big, big part of the puzzle here, definitely.

[38:06] Speaker 2: Yeah. W- Now, would that include timelines or... Because-

[38:08] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[38:08] Speaker 2: ... obviously, uh, we were talking about that earlier, it wasn't on the show, but some things have been happening here that are just blowing my mind because-

[38:16] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[38:17] Speaker 2: ... it's... I'm seeing different realities, different timelines.

[38:21] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[38:21] Speaker 2: And it's as real as if it happened.

[38:23] Speaker 3: Yes, yes.

[38:23] Speaker 2: But it didn't happen.

[38:25] Speaker 3: Right.

[38:25] Speaker 2: And, and then I, and then I wake up in the morning, and I go and check, and I go, "Wait, none of that happened yet."

[38:31] Speaker 3: Yes, yes.

[38:32] Speaker 2: Or something else intervened-

[38:35] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[38:36] Speaker 2: ... completely. You know, it's like the Mandela effect and all the other stuff.

[38:39] Speaker 3: Ah.

[38:39] Speaker 2: Something really big is going down where-

[38:42] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[38:42] Speaker 2: ... things are being altered. Uh, either d- going on different timelines or events or, or either they've... They did a time fold where we jump passed that event and, or something. There's, there's obviously something going on. I don't know exactly what it is, but-

[39:00] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[39:01] Speaker 2: ... uh, I probably never will. Uh, maybe one day I will. I don't know.

[39:05] Speaker 3: Well, you know, I... It's the time aspect is, uh, is a very fundamental thing in itself. And if the... One of the simple ways to look at it is a, a tree structure. So every branch, every split, everything, every eventual leaf on the end of a branch is an eventual event or possibility you might be traveling towards. And every time you change your frequency, your vibration, your energy, whatever you want to call it, you can literally hop onto another branch. And suddenly, you're now open to a whole bunch of other possibilities, but you still re- retain the memory imprints of having been on the previous branch. So they're now overlaid with what you now have now. So you can see sort of, uh, you know, uh, non-congruent memories fitting together, which, ah, that, that doesn't gel with that one. (laughs) They, they don't go together.

[39:50] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[39:50] Speaker 3: How do I, how do I have two or three separate memories coming together on there? So, that's kind of how it was explained to me as well and how I sort of felt intuitively talking with my teams, is that this is happening a lot because, you know, they said that, um, the, the timeline system as we have known it has been so constricted and so linearized in our perception that e- everything seemed to be so fixed. There was one arrow of time. It was moving in that direction, and everything just piled on top of that one sequence after the other, and there wasn't much else. And as things began to jump, I mean, this is, this is my perspective, of course. As things beg- uh, began to jump, suddenly people had the ability to shift from the left to the right to wh- uh, flip another timeline. Sometimes very subtle, sometimes quite big, and people would sometimes really notice overlays of different memories and, and... But they would only be aware as if they were still on the same timeline.

[40:47] Speaker 3: They wouldn't, wouldn't think, "Oh, yeah, h- hey, I've just jumped, jumped a timeline here." It's not alw- it's not always that obvious. So I think that's, uh, that's a big point in case, and as the fluidity moves forward, so does the fluidity of our ability to jump on different timelines 'cause timelines are a little bit like a fractal sequence, a, a, a whole fractalization of all possibilities branching from a decision that we make, and we can follow any one of those. We could jump back. We can go forward. And like I said, the more fluid we become, the more easy and effortless to do that fluid jumping becomes, you know. And that is a sort of, you know... I, I think is the feeling that was described to me by my higher self, was, it's just a case of just being at peace with that fluidity, you know, letting go of the need for a structural rigid defined, "Yes, I'm okay.

[41:39] Speaker 3: I'm following this," you know, kind of thing, so that you can be at peace with when this sort of stuff happens basically.

[41:45] Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like, uh, it's the ego. You know, there's an ego-

[41:49] Speaker 3: Oh, yes. (laughs) Yes.

[41:49] Speaker 2: ... an alter ego.

[41:51] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[41:51] Speaker 2: And a lot of people are locked into... As I was saying before, your identity, uh, really takes a hit.

[41:58] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[41:58] Speaker 2: You know, when I was... When I first was opening up, I had, uh, this being appearing to me, and his name was Tasamara. And he was, uh, uh, kind of a fifth-dimensional being. He's in the sixth now. He's evolved beyond that.

[42:14] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[42:14] Speaker 2: And, and then I had my soul connect to me, which is like this Viking warrior whatever, you know.

[42:19] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[42:19] Speaker 2: It was like... And, uh, and then he goes, "I'm you. I'm your s- your original soul," or whatever. And, and then Tasamara goes, "I'm your Christ self," you know. And then these other beings on other dimensions are popping in saying, "I am you," you know, "You're my hands and feet." And I had a full-blown... When that happened, I was having an identity crisis. I was just-

[42:40] Speaker 3: (laughs) Right.

[42:40] Speaker 2: ... really freaking out, and then, and then Ezekiel came in, and he's, and he just said, "It's all you."

[42:48] Speaker 3: Yes.

[42:49] Speaker 2: And, and then I surrendered. I just let it go. I go, uh, uh... You know, my need for identity and my ego perception of self is what's driving me nuts here.

[43:01] Speaker 3: Yes.

[43:01] Speaker 2: And all I have to do is surrender.

[43:03] Speaker 3: Yes.

[43:03] Speaker 2: Uh, all I have to do is... Okay, I've had these other experiences.

[43:07] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[43:08] Speaker 2: Do I need an identity, you know? The-

[43:10] Speaker 3: Right.

[43:10] Speaker 2: ... you know, the creator's the one consciousness within all consciousness-

[43:14] Speaker 3: Yes.

[43:14] Speaker 2: ... on all planes and dimensions throughout the multiverse.

[43:17] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[43:17] Speaker 2: And if I become one with that, then why do I need an identity, you know? It's, it's-

[43:22] Speaker 3: Yes.

[43:22] Speaker 2: That's the conclusion I came to.

[43:25] Speaker 3: Yes.

[43:25] Speaker 2: And, and then so the, uh, uh... You know, I just surrendered everything, and then that's what I was telling peppy- people. Everybody's trying to become somebody.

[43:36] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[43:36] Speaker 2: And you have to become nobody first.

[43:39] Speaker 3: (laughs) Yeah.

[43:40] Speaker 2: And then the somebody you become is multidimensional. It's beyond your imagination. But-

[43:46] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[43:47] Speaker 2: The somebody you're trying to become was set by social consciousness.

[43:52] Speaker 3: Yes.

[43:52] Speaker 2: By, by se- it was set by the enslavers and the other people. And so, y- you know, you're trying, you're trying to get the fancy car, drink the right beer.

[44:01] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[44:02] Speaker 2: Get the bronze beauty in the bikini, you know?

[44:04] Speaker 3: Yes. Yes.

[44:04] Speaker 2: You're... And have the big house, and the boat, and all the other stuff, and, and so you could become somebody. But you already are somebody.

[44:13] Speaker 3: Yes.

[44:13] Speaker 2: You know, that's all just... That's just, that's the trap, basically. It's, it's, uh... And we-

[44:20] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[44:20] Speaker 2: We walked right into it, you know? And u- until we become... Can practice that love and amusement and, and, uh...

[44:28] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[44:29] Speaker 2: Oh God, what's the other word? I, I call it, um, loving detachment, you know?

[44:34] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[44:34] Speaker 2: You know, those are two things we're gon- really gonna have to master in the coming days. But, uh... 'Cause, you know, people are... You know, on this level, or the physical level here, I'm, I'm just watching people losing it. They are not...

[44:49] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[44:49] Speaker 2: They're not doing well with these energies that are coming in. Most of them are projecting and blaming, and they're taking this victim level to an all-time low. And, uh...

[44:58] Speaker 3: Yes. Yeah.

[44:58] Speaker 2: And, and it's, it's really crazy. And I don't wanna focus on that, just as an observation.

[45:03] Speaker 3: (sighs)

[45:03] Speaker 2: But I've just been going... I just look at them, and I don't get, I don't get caught up into it. I go, "You don't know who you are."

[45:10] Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

[45:11] Speaker 2: You know? Th- Your whole problem is, you don't know who you are. Why-

[45:15] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[45:15] Speaker 2: ... are you trying to become this blue-haired, purple haired, whatever, or this, whatever, you know? And, and I'm the savior of all victims, you know, and I'm this, and I'm... You know? It's just like-

[45:27] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[45:28] Speaker 2: ... what? When you realize that, that, you know, people are on this victim, savior, persecutor triangle. They're all in this little merry-go-round.

[45:38] Speaker 3: Yes.

[45:39] Speaker 2: And, and until you realize that, and, and break away from, "I have to be a savior," or, "I have to be the persecutor," or, "I've been a victim." You know, until you can break away from all that, you're on that merry-go-round, and, and you're not gonna get off.

[45:53] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[45:54] Speaker 2: And, and I think, at some point right now, the work you're doing is because people are... They turned to science, you know, for th- the answer. And, and, uh, and now science is going in a direction of, you know, it's, you know, it doesn't matter 'cause it isn't mattering (laughs) .

[46:13] Speaker 3: Right (laughs) .

[46:14] Speaker 2: You know, it, uh...

[46:15] Speaker 3: Literally and figuratively (laughs) .

[46:17] Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going into that direction, so hopefully, the other people that are locked in the intellect in their mental bodies, and, and social engineering can, can take that step, you know? But I, I, I mean, I love science, real science. I was...

[46:33] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[46:33] Speaker 2: E- when I went to college, I took, I took physics, I took chemistry and psychology and philosophy, and I got kicked out of everything.

[46:42] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[46:42] Speaker 2: I got kicked out of every one (laughs) .

[46:44] Speaker 3: (laughs) Nice, honey (laughs) .

[46:46] Speaker 2: Some of the teachers say, "I'm, I'm giving you an F." So, they said-

[46:51] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[46:51] Speaker 2: ... "No reason for you to come here anymore."

[46:53] Speaker 3: All right.

[46:53] Speaker 2: And, and I go, "Why?" I go, "Why?" I, I was asking the questions you're asking.

[46:59] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[46:59] Speaker 2: "Where does it come from?" Who-

[47:01] Speaker 3: Yes.

[47:01] Speaker 2: ... who... There's gotta be some intelligence-

[47:04] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[47:05] Speaker 2: ... and, that created all this stuff. There's gotta be a design. Where did it come from? And they got really angry. And then, and then philosophy and, and psychology, when I started talking about past life trauma as being where a lot of people's issues are, and that... And I wrote a whole paper on past lives and all the evidence of it, and why people have phobias and things they shouldn't ever have. Like, uh, you know, some, some guy that's living in Africa in the middle of the desert, he's never seen water or an ocean or anything else, has a fear of drowning.

[47:40] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[47:40] Speaker 2: You know (laughs) ? Where, where'd that come from? You know, or, or child prodigies, you know, can pick an instrument and play it, and things like that. But I, I've had all of these things about where people are thrown to the lions, you know, so they-

[47:53] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[47:54] Speaker 2: ... they have a s- a deep allergic reaction to cats, you know? 'Cause (laughs) -

[47:58] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[47:58] Speaker 2: ... 'cause of this.

[47:59] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[47:59] Speaker 2: And as soon as you clear that, it goes away. It's, it's amazing.

[48:03] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[48:03] Speaker 2: But, but yeah, I got, I got kinda tossed out of every one of them.

[48:08] Speaker 3: It's interesting, because the, uh... That's a big thing that my teams and my higher self have specifically highlighted in, in my process, my path as well. You know, 'cause I always say, you know, say to people that, you know, there's, there's, there's, uh... One of the, the things that came to me, and I'm pretty sure this, my higher self was, uh, who put it here, is if you look at the w- the spelling of the word identity-

[48:30] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[48:30] Speaker 3: ... it puts a dent in the middle of your two eyes, and always leave you- leaves you with y, because you're blind to the truth now.

[48:38] Speaker 2: That's good.

[48:38] Speaker 3: So, it's, that's how it's put together. So, and I w- and they were saying that the identity is, is like a, is a, an energy configuration that people grip onto, and they sol- sometimes they can be so solidly locked onto an identity or a set of identities. And that's where the reaction usually comes from, and the blame and projection, because it's almost like an identity trying to defend itself. You know? And one of the things that my teams were... You know, do speak of a lot, they're saying, "Imagine yourself, you're on an island. You feel you're so safe, you've got your sand, you've got your palm tree. You're good. You're set up, you know?" And now, somewhat, you know, your higher self says, "Would you walk out into the ocean with... And leave everything behind?" And so, you know, and then you sort of imagine yourself doing this, and they say, "Well, notice the feelings and everything that comes up as you do that." You know, you might feel fear, you might feel afraid.

[49:30] Speaker 3: "Oh my God, there's nothing underneath my feet now. What's holding me up? Who's protecting me? What sel- what else is in the water (laughs) ," you know? All those things. And they said, "You're gonna get to a point when the island is just gonna disappear and you're gonna see it go, and you'll think, 'Oh my God, there's nothing around me but ocean around, ocean beneath me.'" And they s- and they were saying, "Now, now if you look down, what's the water that source?"You're literally letting yourself go back into your soul self. And they were saying it's a lovely metaphor, because they're saying what's happening with humanity is humanity is being very gently asked to let go of the masks, let go of the identities, let go of the grip, let go of everything that you think you are or everything else, because that is just you holding onto monkey bars, refusing to, you know, move into what's real. And you, you really won't let go, (laughs) you know?

[50:21] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[50:22] Speaker 3: And, uh, and it's, and it could be a tricky one, because I had many, um... And I like to share this, because I think that a lot of people tend to see other people and say, "Oh, my goodness, you've got this figure." No, I went through... I'm, have gone through and are still going through similar processes. No, no one is this Messiah-like kind of nonsensical kind of, you know, above it all, because we're all here to do puzzle pieces. And we came here specifically, th- what the teams were saying, to work through particular energetics to resolve them, to heal them, to bring them back into oneness again. And everyone is working on their patch of the puzzle, so to speak, um, to remove this whole system of identity, holding on, personality, all these, this whole circus of, (laughs) you know, what humanity has been involved in. And, um, and it's very important, because some people, and I kn- I know what you mean, because I've had experience with people who so fiercely hold on to identity.

[51:18] Speaker 3: It's their-

[51:19] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[51:19] Speaker 3: ... island, and they will not jump off. You know, they will... And that's okay. It's... They don't have to, but it's like saying, (laughs) "Well, if you keep on the island, that's all you'll ever know." You know? (laughs) That's, uh, that's all you'll get to see. So, um-

[51:31] Speaker 2: Uh, I like what the Lamas say. They said the reason you have so many personal problems is because you think you're a person.

[51:37] Speaker 3: Right, exactly. (laughs)

[51:39] Speaker 2: You know?

[51:39] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's... (laughs) Well, it actually brings it to another, another line here, which is, comes back to, or kind of marries quite well with what we were talking about before about the living energetics. Because to me, it's this, it's the allowance and opening up to the source intelligence, the letting go of all that's getting in its way so that it can flood through, do the healing, take care of everything, reorganize matter, change fields, do all the intelligent things that source energy does, or source essence does.

[52:08] Speaker 3: And you notice the people that are having the most difficulty are the people that most grip, that most hold on, and they're not-

[52:14] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

[52:14] Speaker 3: ... letting the, they're not letting the doors open inside. So, I think that's a really nice metaphor to share out there, because I know, uh, we've had a lot of people email us saying, "Oh, God, you know, this is happening, this is happening." And I say, "Well, actually, it's a lot simpler than you might imagine, but you have to get out of your own way, because your personalities that you've built, the whole personality structure is gripping in the way, and it's not letting you relax, it's not letting this energy come through." And like you say, it also comes back to past life imprints as well, because we bring those forward. They also get in the way, and they also hold things up because of fearful events or things that happened that were quite traumatic.

[52:53] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[52:53] Speaker 3: So, it is part of the whole, y- the whole thing. But it really does seem to me that it's just... And the simple way my teams and higher self described it is like, well, imagine a glass of water, it's full of mud. Now you're gonna just introduce pristine water from a well source, and it's just gonna ooze that mud out of the top. It's gonna displace it, it's gonna push it out the way. And you get to feel it, see it, feel like you're living through it as that mud's gonna pour out. But eventually, it's gonna be fully displaced, and now in your glass is pristine, unified water, which is source energy, you know?

[53:29] Speaker 3: And so in a metaphorical way, that's quite a very nice, simple way of, uh, that, you know, I think is such a (laughs) nice way of seeing it, to explain-

[53:36] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[53:37] Speaker 3: ... why people are experiencing so much out- outpouring right now, you know, because it, it really is being turfed out, you know? It's... (laughs)

[53:45] Speaker 2: Yeah, we're getting... That water's pouring in, you know?

[53:47] Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. (laughs)

[53:48] Speaker 2: If you've got water spirit, it's, uh-

[53:50] Speaker 3: Yes, yeah.

[53:50] Speaker 2: ... something... I like, I like a long time ago when I was working with some of the Lamas there talking about a, a soul merge-

[53:58] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[53:58] Speaker 2: ... and that as a collective, we're moving on this soul merge, and it's like a wave pattern. And you go, you get really high, and then you gotta deal with all the crap that came up, then you go down, and then-

[54:14] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[54:14] Speaker 2: ... and then, and then the energy comes again, you get higher. And the waves are bigger each time, you know? And, uh, and you, you get... And then pretty soon, you know, you're not go- dropping down anymore into those lower, that lower wave pattern. You know, you're, you're getting... It's like a, it's almost more like a spiral, but if you can-

[54:34] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[54:35] Speaker 2: ... focus on a wave, it's easier to understand that, that they're calling it a soul merge, and we're, we're actually merging with our heart and soul, which is-

[54:44] Speaker 3: Yes, yes.

[54:44] Speaker 2: ... the connector to the creator. That's how we, uh... And then the other thing I was, I was thinking about too was that, is that humanity needs a f- some kind of a foundation like, like universal law, like, you know, universal peace, brotherhood, sisterly love, individual freedom, and prosperity for all. Some kind of a pattern that you can apply, a very simple pattern, tha- that all leaders can apply it in every institution. And when you step outside of that pattern, you know, you're gonna create karma, and, and always use that as a foundation. And I think what I'm seeing now is, is that n- especially in the spiritual community, I hate to say it, and the UFO community, that, that they've, they've just thrown that out the window.

[55:33] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[55:33] Speaker 2: And, and they're operating... It's a very competitive, you know, um, uh, unfortunately it's a very backstabbing program going on there. And, and it's, it's gonna sound judgmental, but especially ufology, you've got satanic Lucifer and money at the top funding this now. It's infiltrated all institutions. And then you have, uh, uh, the posers, the shills, the planned opposition, you know, group, and then, you know, and then you've got-... military, and the other guys, you know, they're controlling everything. But ... And so they've allowed the, the ... Well, it's definitely not the cream of the crop are going to the top, you know? (laughs) 'Cause it is a controlled narrative.

[56:18] Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

[56:18] Speaker 2: And, and what I'm seeing now is that these ... That's collapsing.

[56:22] Speaker 3: Mm. Mm-hmm.

[56:23] Speaker 2: Like, like all of those-

[56:26] Speaker 3: Very fast. Yeah, yeah. (laughs)

[56:26] Speaker 2: Anybody that strayed away from universal law, you know, and is on ... They're, they're tapping into the wrong source, and that source is depleting. Their life force is depleting, you know?

[56:40] Speaker 3: Yes.

[56:41] Speaker 2: Th- the karmic reaction to their action is being accelerated and amplified.

[56:45] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[56:46] Speaker 2: A- and it kind of l- When you look at those dynamics, and, and you know, like a lot of the yogis say, you know, you, you wanna, you wanna get away from karma, don't create it, (laughs) you know?

[56:57] Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

[56:58] Speaker 2: You know? They say go out in nature and focus on love and joy and bliss until you become it, you know? And, and-

[57:03] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[57:04] Speaker 2: ... you know, release your old programs and identities. But-

[57:07] Speaker 3: Mm.

[57:07] Speaker 2: But it's, it's amazing watching the dynamics. I, I am seeing, I am seeing people that are just, are blowing me away because of the, uh, the total lack of universal law, and, and, uh, and y- you know, they're validating behavior by saying, "I'm in the fifth dimension. Well, it doesn't matter."

[57:29] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[57:30] Speaker 2: You know? "I'm, I'm already in the fifth dimension, so I can take whatever I want from anybody, and there is no karma, so who cares?" You know? It's like-

[57:38] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[57:38] Speaker 2: ... I don't have to be in integrity. I don't have to be any ... You know? There's no, no ... (laughs) You know? It's just like ... It's really weird. It, it's, it's, it's almost like ... I mean, when I first started experiencing it, it was kinda crazy-making because I went, "How do you do that?" You know?

[57:56] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[57:56] Speaker 2: I don't understand how you function that way.

[57:59] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[57:59] Speaker 2: And, and where's, where's the enlightenment when it comes to not even understanding, you know, basic karma, action, reaction, or whatever else? But, uh ... And, and I know the universe is gonna give them whatever lessons they need, which, which I just release them. I go, "Well, you have fun with that," you know? But, but it's, it's just something I've noticed, that, that the old structures ... I- I've kinda noticed that everything is a controlled narrative.

[58:28] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[58:28] Speaker 2: I hate, I hate to say it, but ... You know, your leadership, your politicians, your-

[58:32] Speaker 3: Right. (laughs)

[58:33] Speaker 2: ... your, all your institutions, religious institutions, everything-

[58:37] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[58:37] Speaker 2: ... is a controlled narrative right now.

[58:39] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[58:39] Speaker 2: And that narrative is coming unglued. It's falling apart and collapsing.

[58:44] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[58:45] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[58:45] Speaker 3: And when you think about it, ultimately, the, the, the way that it's been, um, th- that I've experienced myself and that my communication with my higher self and the teams has been is they're saying that ... You can look at it very simply. When you infuse into your source intelligence, your sacred heart core, what- whatever, whatever name you choose to call it, the, the very core of who you are, the truth of who you are, source intel- ... I call it source intelligence.

[59:12] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[59:12] Speaker 3: When you infuse yourself with source intelligence, you literally become benevolence itself. You become compassion. You become all those high qualities. And it's not, it's not something you have to effort to do. You just are it now.

[59:24] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

[59:24] Speaker 3: You behave and you simply act like that. Now, in before, in times before, people relied on a lot of knowledge. They were discerning through mind and information reference, so they would say, like, "Oh," you know? "Oh, that sounds good because it adds up like this," and, "No, that doesn't sound good." But one of the things that w- and I li- and I really like to share this 'cause I think it's very helpful to people ... One of the initial visits I ever had with the Arcturians, when I was like ...

[59:52] Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, when di- when I bilocate, I was really excited th- and they would just say-

[59:55] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[59:55] Speaker 3: "Right." Um, you know? I was ready to get going (laughs) because I was so excited. But they said, "Right, first things, can you feel our energy? Do you know who we are? So just sit, just feel our energy. Dis- you know, discern who we are, what we're about, what we would like to share with you, all those things." Because one of the things that they have been very, very profound about, in my view, is ... And I think this is very correct. Real discernment is a sensitivity to the true nature of energy within a being. It's not what they say.

[01:00:27] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[01:00:27] Speaker 3: It's not what they're doing, where they're pointing, th- whatever comes out of their mouth. (laughs) It doesn't matter. What is their energy? Who are they? Where are they right now in their core? Because people can be very slick with their words. They can say all the fancy things.

[01:00:40] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. I met some weird-

[01:00:42] Speaker 3: Right? (laughs)

[01:00:42] Speaker 2: ... met some weird Hawaiian. Yeah. Unbelievable. I know, and that ... Yeah. And that's the thing. And, and what they were saying is, "No, no, no, no. Forget that. Can you, can you learn to develop your sensitivity to the spectral emission of a being so you can understand who it is you're dealing with, where they're going, what it is they're about?" And I sat there. I could feel this elated, joyful energy from them. I said, "Right. Now I get the feeling of who you are." And they said, "Now you understand." So it's like they were trying to get me to learn to, that is how you apply energy discernment. It's very simple.

[01:01:17] Speaker 2: It's got nothing to do

[01:01:17] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[01:01:18] Speaker 2: ... with intellectual, "Oh, yeah. Does that add up? What did they say here? Did ..." You know what I mean? (laughs) It wasn't like that. It was like, you know, "Can you just really see a person for who they are?" And that's what I see going on, is that the old system that has perpetuated itself on, on a deception based on fooling people with little packets of information here and there and everything else- Yeah

[01:01:40] Speaker 3: ... and people picking it up because it sounded good. And, you know, I've seen so many people I've known who've gotten themselves into so much trouble. I kept saying, "Look, my feeling is that if you go through ahead with this event, it's gonna end up w- you're, uh, you're gonna be flat on your face." So it's your decision. It's your life-

[01:01:56] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

[01:01:57] Speaker 3: ... your choice. But i- every single time it would happen, I- and they'd say, "Wow, I wish I could ..." It's like it's so simple. It's not e- Everybody has the ability to do this. Nobody is special. It's an innate source ability that you have. Because you're a source energy, you can read all energy. You just have to allow yourself to do it.And, you know, and stop being so intellectual about it, (laughs) and mental about it. 'Cause that's gonna misguide you. Because I said, I, I said, in a follow-on to that, I said the trouble with the mind is, it's a beautiful instrument. But, it's undergoing a process of coming back to being an instrument of the source intelligence, the heart intelligence itself.

[01:02:35] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[01:02:35] Speaker 3: A little bit like your fingers. You know, if your hand was the center, here's your intellect, here's your physical movement, uh, all the other things that we have as a human being. Once they're extensions of the source intelligence, now they really switch on, now they become immaculate. Now they do extraordinary things they couldn't do before.

[01:02:54] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[01:02:55] Speaker 3: But, you know, and, um, and I think this is all part of the processes happening. And in doing that, people are being asked, and they're being shown examples in their lives, of someone who's deceptive, someone who's genuine, and you get to feel the flavor of the energy, and the different ... Not what they say, not how they present, not anything like that. And, uh, and I always encourage people, you know, don't, don't even list- don't listen to what I say. Feel the energy. Is it truthful to you? Do you feel like it's something that you wish to go with or not? That is the place to go from your heart intelligence. I say that and I, and I, I, just coming back to what you were saying before, I think that is exactly what's coming to the forefront now.

[01:03:33] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[01:03:33] Speaker 3: The old system of people relying on those old ways is breaking down and people are seeing, "Oh my god, that person was really like that?" (laughs) I did- yeah, didn't see that coming, did you?

[01:03:43] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[01:03:43] Speaker 3: You know, or that person was like that. But, I always say to people, "But if you did sit down, don't worry about devotion and all that kind of stuff. That's not really gonna help you." It's okay to sit in your power and decide in your own energy, "Okay, w- i- what's this person really about? What's their energy? Where are they really going? Who are they really connecting with? What are they really doing?" All those things. And ask your higher self, if you wish to, your soul self, to help you feel the, the flavor of the energy, so you can discern and decide, "Ah, okay, I see deeper levels that my vision or my mind couldn't see on them. I can see that's not going in a great place, so I'm gonna go over here." You know.

[01:04:24] Speaker 2: Yep.

[01:04:24] Speaker 3: Very simple decisions like that, I think, uh, are very important.

[01:04:27] Speaker 2: Yeah. I got, I got caught up in this one, in the big picture, and I was tuned into the whale and dolphin energy, and all the incredible stuff happening, and the possibilities, you know, the infinite possibilities of tying in the whales, the dolphins and the UFOs.

[01:04:39] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[01:04:40] Speaker 2: And that was the dream. And I, and it's like, you know that old saying Confucius says, "Man with head in cloud, stumble and ditch," you know?

[01:04:48] Speaker 3: Right. (laughs)

[01:04:49] Speaker 2: And, and so, uh, I didn't, didn't see ... Well, I did see the ditch, I did see the red flags, but ...

[01:04:55] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[01:04:55] Speaker 2: You know, I go, "Well, we can transcend that. We can ..." Yeah But the thing is, it isn't up to you, you know

[01:05:00] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[01:05:01] Speaker 2: What, what people choose. It's really not up to you. And I've-

[01:05:03] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[01:05:03] Speaker 2: ... I've seen some choices lately that I've been, oh, I'm, you know, careful you're gonna hurt yourself.

[01:05:09] Speaker 3: Mm.

[01:05:09] Speaker 2: You know, the, um, we're, we're running out of time, unfortunately. Uh, I think we just scratched the surface.

[01:05:14] Speaker 3: I know, right? (laughs) It's ...

[01:05:16] Speaker 2: I know, we gotta get you back on again.

[01:05:18] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[01:05:19] Speaker 2: Um, um, I've got, I'm gonna, I'm gonna be traveling, but I'll be back at the ranch, uh, next week. And then, so we can set up, I'll be in my regular studio then, and, and we can set up a ...

[01:05:30] Speaker 3: Awesome.

[01:05:30] Speaker 2: I think we should do a part one and part two.

[01:05:33] Speaker 3: Sure, that sounds good. (laughs) Okay. Part two.

[01:05:34] Speaker 2: 'Cause there's, there's so much, I mean, we just scratched the surface on this. But, you know, and, and that's why we teach the classes we do, we teach the self-mastery, inner-sensitivity training and, and ambassador training. So ...

[01:05:47] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[01:05:47] Speaker 2: You can sense and feel the entities that you're working with.

[01:05:51] Speaker 3: Hmm.

[01:05:52] Speaker 2: And, you know, we have that saying, just, just because you're dead doesn't mean you're enlightened, and just because you're an alien doesn't mean you're prevelent, you know?

[01:05:58] Speaker 3: Right, right.

[01:05:58] Speaker 2: 'Cause there are some, some out there you don't wanna work with. And, uh, and it's so important. But, I think on that note, you know, is develop your own inner sensitivity, learn to sense the come-from of people, what their real agendas are.

[01:06:13] Speaker 3: Hmm.

[01:06:13] Speaker 2: And trust that, that inner knowingness, you know, when it comes to you. 'Cause they're gonna do everything they can to talk you out of it. You know, they're gonna tell you everything you wanna hear and, and, uh-

[01:06:25] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[01:06:26] Speaker 3: (laughs ... and, and talk you out of it right now. But that'll, that'll help get us through these shifts and changes we're going through. Yes. Yeah. And just as a very last thing, 'cause I know we're, we're tight on time. Yeah. Is that I think that is, that, that is what I feel is the world we're going into, where people's emissions are so strong, and the ability to feel another's energy is gonna be so prevalent there, that skullduggery nonsense deception, it just, it couldn't take hold. Because you would see it straight like that, as soon as it tried to, to do anything. Um, so that, yeah, that's a very, very big thing I think we're moving into, for sure. Yeah, I think people who have capitalized at the expense of humanity are, their kingdoms are just collapsing right now. Hmm, I think so. I think so. And, and just because it's outside of universal law. Anyway, what's the best way that people can get in contact with you, if they wanted to sign up for any events or, or counseling- Yeah. ... or shows or anything? Sure. I mean, I, we have, um, uh, a site, a Patreon site called Infinite Source Creations, where there's, um, there's a whole bunch of free meditations you can do. There's also personal ones which we ask for just a small subscription for, which you can pause or do whatever you want, whenever you want to do it. Um, but most, the, the, the, the two most foundational ones, I, I would say, that lead onto everything else, which is the connection to the sacred heart, and a particularly in- for this, the rhythmic breath, to do with breathing with the higher self. Uh, those are free ones, that's number 14 and 15, you can just hop on there and do. Um, so you can do those on there. There's a whole bunch of other things on there. So it's really a platform t- h- trying to help people back into the idea. It's not a following platform. I don't want people following me. (laughs)

[01:08:07] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[01:08:07] Speaker 3: I'm trying to h- help people back into their own sovereignty. That, that's the goal of it, really. It really is, that's the aim.

[01:08:13] Speaker 2: Awesome.

[01:08:13] Speaker 3: And the other sites we have is, um, uh, I've developed a series of devices which produce living energetics to harmonize spaces and other things like that, which you can see on, it's I See, I-S-E-E...Which is an acronym for infinity, synergy, energy, and evolution, which happens to make IC- (laughs) Which I thought was kinda cool.

[01:08:35] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[01:08:35] Speaker 3: Um, and then hyphen infynergy.com. (music) So I-N-F-Y-N-E-R-G-Y dot com. So that you can see there, but we've- we've got a bit of a waiting list right now, so a bit, um ... because I- I can't make them fast enough. (laughs) So, um, but yeah. You can have a look at those there as well, but those are the two main ways to reach out.

[01:08:55] Speaker 2: Awesome. Well, I'm so glad you came on the show, and, uh, and we- we have so much in common, it's amazing.

[01:09:00] Speaker 3: All right. (laughs)

[01:09:01] Speaker 2: Yeah. We'll have to ge- definitely get you back on again, and, uh, and unfortunately folks, we're out of time.

[01:09:09] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[01:09:09] Speaker 2: So just keep an open mind, loving heart, pure intent, and develop that inner sensitivity, and just be kind to each other, and the planet.

[01:09:17] Speaker 3: Definitely.

[01:09:17] Speaker 2: It's really that simple.

[01:09:19] Speaker 3: Yeah. Definitely.

[01:09:19] Speaker 2: Anyway, have a great evening. Good night.

[01:09:20] Speaker 3: Bye-bye. (laughs)

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