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[00:26] Speaker 1: It's time for the Alan Nathan Show. Here he is, the longest-running nationally syndicated centrist host in the country, Alan Nathan.

[00:36] Speaker 6: Well, welcome everyone to the Alan Nathan All-Stars. I'm Karen Catalin. A pleasure to be among the team and, uh, in memoriam to the wonderful Alan Nathan. Well, we're going to get started with this show right up front with a terrific guest, contributing editor to The American Spectator and contributor to Newsbusters and Conservative Review, and former CNN political commentator. He's also associate political director for President Ronald Reagan, or was, actually, and worked for Housing Secretary Jack Kemp under George HW Bush. His most recent book is Swamp Whores: Donald Trump and the New American Populism Versus the Old Order. Wow, that takes on a lot. Jeffrey Lord, thank you so much for joining us here on this holiday weekend. Happy Thanksgiving.

[01:33] Speaker 7: Yeah. Uh, and I, and I, and I, like you, and I suspect most people in America, am busy getting ready for Turkey Day. (laughs)

[01:42] Speaker 6: (laughs) Well, and I like calling it Thanksgiving, but then if you really are grateful and you have gratitude, you have Thanksgiving every day, right? Right, Jeff?

[01:52] Speaker 7: That is right.

[01:53] Speaker 6: (laughs)

[01:53] Speaker 7: That is right. Well, you know, a- and I'm working on a column here, but I was born and raised till I was about 15 in Massachusetts and, of course, the home of the pilgrims. You get to this time of year and you can't escape it.

[02:07] Speaker 6: Aw. Yes.

[02:07] Speaker 7: And, uh, you were, you were, you were educated in grade school about the Mayflower and coming to Plymouth and all of that kind of thing, and frankly, it never gets old. I, I have a, a very battered old book called The Colonial, Colonial American Writing, and it is just filled with, uh, things. Uh, the, the one I like, uh, the best is, uh, The Pilgrim by William Bradford, who was the, uh, governor of Massachusetts back in the... and, and a, and a, um, he was on the m- m- on the Mayflower, and he signed the Mayflower Compact and, uh, it's all about being in New England, being in Massachusetts and their, their view of their rights and all of this kind of thing. He, he went from England first to, uh, Leiden, um, in the Dutch Republic, and the reason was to escape the wrath of King James I.

[03:08] Speaker 7: (laughs)

[03:08] Speaker 6: Huh.

[03:08] Speaker 7: Who was the, who was the head of the, the, the English church and was not big on dissent. And, uh-

[03:14] Speaker 6: Mm.

[03:14] Speaker 7: ... William Bradford along with all these other pilgrims were separatists, as it were, and, uh, they wanted out from under the king and so that's how they wound up on the Mayflower and, uh, here we are.

[03:27] Speaker 6: What strikes me when I hear you talk about this, Jeffrey Lord-

[03:33] Speaker 7: (laughs)

[03:33] Speaker 6: ... is your, your abundance of knowledge of history, because you live in Massachusetts, is the exact appis- absence of knowledge, of history, of reverence, uh, for where we've come from and who we are as a people that is highly responsible for part of the predicament we're in right now, and people's, uh, uh, swooning over socialism and communism, which for those who have been watching long enough, are purely and rightfully horrified by.

[04:11] Speaker 7: Well, the-

[04:12] Speaker 6: Talk about that, if you would.

[04:13] Speaker 7: The, the, the thing that really gets to me, uh, is, uh, is that I, I think, uh, too many Americans don't know the history of America, or to the extent that they do, they are taking a, you know, a left-wing, uh, view of the whole thing, which is not correct, and, uh, and pushing that. That's how we wind up with a new socialist/communist mayor of New York City. Uh, it will be very, uh, interesting to see how that works out. You know, I, I go back and forth between being horrified that this guy is elected, and on the other hand thinking, well, he's gotta get to put everything he believes into practice and then people will see what it's like. Excuse me.

[04:56] Speaker 6: You know what? I think I'm more cynical than you in some respects. There's so much we could talk about here, and let's do. Let's just do. Uh, (laughs) and, and that is that there is, um, a- a- there's one thing I've learned about communists as I've been watching them over the years, and that is that they lie.

[05:15] Speaker 7: Yeah.

[05:15] Speaker 6: They lie when they don't have to, they lie when they have to, and they clearly lie in order to get supporters for things for which the, the truth does not happen the way they say. They promise utopia and they deliver tyranny, heartache and, and, uh, and genocide. Ultimately, ultimately, that's what they deliver. So, uh, I know that, uh, Commie Mom Donny has been having little phone tete-a-tetes with what I think is, um, n- n- not any different, POTUS 44, Obama, who was the same guy. He just learned how to hide it better.And, uh, I think in the face of the midterms, you're going to see Mamdani pull his punches quite a lot and make people feel, I don't know how, that, uh, everything's hunky-dory over Mamdani, um, because just like Castro, uh, when they really pull the trigger on communism, all bets are off. They've got all their ducks in a row and, uh, they have to rule by force. There's no other way to rule.

[06:30] Speaker 7: Yeah. That, that-

[06:30] Speaker 6: Am I off base there or what?

[06:33] Speaker 7: No, you're not. You're not. Uh, this is the same... I mean, the thing that gets me is that this argument keeps... This, this situation keeps happening over and over and over again. And, you know, if I've learned one thing in politics, the mayor of New York is, is, uh, simply because he's the mayor of New York City, becomes sort of a symbol of whatever is going on at the moment. I remember when I was a kid and, uh, it was, uh, two years after President Kennedy's assassination and, of course, you know, the country was just mortified and, and loved the guy to death, you know, young, handsome, energetic. And out of the blue, in New York City, comes congressman...

[07:17] Speaker 7: republican congressman, John Lindsay, who was, of course-

[07:22] Speaker 6: Hmm.

[07:22] Speaker 7: ... a very nice-looking guy, a smart guy, etc., and he was republican. And amazingly, to everybody at the time, he was elected the mayor of New York. Things didn't work out so well (laughs) , as I recall-

[07:36] Speaker 6: Hmm.

[07:36] Speaker 7: ... eventually for Mayor Lindsay. But, uh, these things... these things, uh, happen and what we have to do here is, you know, one step at a time and, uh, a- a- and, you know, think carefully about what this mayor is proposing, 'cause there's nothing new here. And, and I remember, you know, I can give you a Reagan story. I was in the White House, uh, when Reagan met it, uh, Reykjavik, Iceland abruptly for a, uh, sudden call for a summit-

[08:11] Speaker 6: Yes.

[08:11] Speaker 7: ... with Mikhail Gorbachev.

[08:13] Speaker 6: Uh-huh.

[08:13] Speaker 7: And I didn't, I didn't get to go to... I was sort of a junior staffer at the time. I didn't get to go to Iceland, but I got all the stories from colleagues who were there in the room, and, uh, Gorbachev wanted Reagan to get rid of the Strategic Defense Initiative, Star Wars, as they

[08:32] Speaker 8: Ah, yeah.

[08:32] Speaker 7: ... called it.

[08:33] Speaker 6: Yes.

[08:34] Speaker 7: And, and Reagan was refusing and thought he had made this very clear and here they are with this... at this long conference table in this old schoolhouse in Iceland, and he keeps insisting that this is what he wants. (laughs) And Reagon, who remember-

[08:53] Speaker 6: Uh-huh.

[08:53] Speaker 7: ... early in life was a labor union negotiator, (laughs) -

[08:57] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[08:58] Speaker 7: ... knew what he was doing and with that, he slaps his hand on the table, looks at George Schultz, the Secretary of State and says, "Let's go, George," and gets up and walks out.

[09:08] Speaker 6: (laughs)

[09:09] Speaker 7: (laughs) And, and there Gorbachev scrambles around the, the table-

[09:13] Speaker 6: At least he didn't slap his shoe on the table. (laughs)

[09:16] Speaker 7: (laughs) Yeah, that's right. Nikita Khrushchev style. That's right.

[09:19] Speaker 6: There you go. (laughs)

[09:21] Speaker 7: So, uh, uh, so he start... He, he walks out and Gorbachev scrambles to catch up with him and says-

[09:27] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[09:27] Speaker 7: ... "I don't know what more I could have done." To which Reagan replies, "You could have said yes." Bingo.

[09:33] Speaker 6: (laughs)

[09:33] Speaker 7: Get to the car and leave.

[09:35] Speaker 6: You could have said yes. (laughs)

[09:35] Speaker 7: And, and within, within a year, uh-

[09:39] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[09:39] Speaker 7: ... who came to the White House but Mikhail Gorbachev.

[09:42] Speaker 6: Gorbachev.

[09:42] Speaker 7: And why? To sign the treaty that he wasn't, uh, willing to agree to in Iceland. Well, now he had changed his mind. Imagine that.

[09:50] Speaker 6: Only the second-best negotiator we've seen in our lifetimes.

[09:54] Speaker 7: (laughs)

[09:55] Speaker 6: Right?

[09:56] Speaker 7: Oh.

[09:56] Speaker 6: And speaking of which, we have so much to talk about, and, uh, you've graciously agreed to stay another segment. We haven't even begun to talk about the other issue, which I can't wait, is this, uh, I mean, uh... So Donald Trump had Commie Mamdani in the White House. My, uh, rather, you know, flippant remark is, well, he's talked to every other communist around the world. (upbeat music) Why not that one? Um, (laughs) well, that already does it. We're gonna have to scramble 'cause there's lots to talk about. Jeffrey Lord, contributing editor of The American Spectator, can't wait, uh, to, uh, talk to you after the break. This is the Ellen Nathan All Stars on the Main Street Radio Network. Stay tuned. We'll be back.

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[15:05] Speaker 6: Welcome back everyone to the Alan Nathan All Stars. I'm Karen Cataline. Happy to be part of the team, and we're talking to Jeffrey Lord, contributing editor to The American Spectator and Newsbusters, Conservative Review and so much more. Jeffrey, thanks for hanging on. Uh, we appreciate your time.

[15:27] Speaker 7: You bet.

[15:28] Speaker 6: Great. So, let's just dive right in here because you wrote an article called Three Cheers for Mark Levin at The American Spectator. Mark Levin has had enough. Thank you for writing that article, Jeffrey.

[15:43] Speaker 7: (laughs)

[15:43] Speaker 6: I, I so appreciate it. It isn't just because I happen to be Jewish, but what I am watching as a longtime Jewish Republican is scary stuff among people that I have not only respected, people I've worked alongside directly. And not only do I want you to talk about this article, but what you think is going on here. Are we living in the Twilight zone or is something else going on? Let's start with the first one. Um, um, let's talk about this article that you wrote about Mark Levin, because he's taking an enormous amount of incoming.

[16:22] Speaker 7: Yes he is. Yes he is, and I should say, uh, I, I'm not unbiased in this sense. Uh, both Mark and I are from Pennsylvania, and I got to know him back in the early 1980s. And eventually, of course, I was working in the Reagan White House, and my friend Mark was the chief of staff to Ed Meese, who was the Attorney General of the United States.

[16:46] Speaker 6: Uh-huh.

[16:46] Speaker 7: Uh, Mark is, Mark is one of those wizards of smart. I mean, he really is a sharp guy. I think I'm correct that when he was something like 18, he got elected to the school board or something in Montgomery County.

[16:59] Speaker 6: (laughs)

[17:00] Speaker 7: Uh, you know, he, he was, he was really pretty good with that stuff, but-

[17:04] Speaker 6: Uh-huh.

[17:05] Speaker 7: ... uh, you know, to, in the, in the current moment, of course, um, he's been talking about, uh, you know, the, the rise of antisemitism and, uh, all that sort of thing. And, and, uh-

[17:18] Speaker 6: On the right, to be specific.

[17:20] Speaker 7: On the, on the right.

[17:20] Speaker 6: Right.

[17:20] Speaker 7: He's gone after Tucker Carlson and, uh, all of this kind of thing. Um, and, and I, I just felt that, uh, y- you know, m- I, I, I, you know, am your basic congregationalist kid from Massachusetts. Growing up, I had, uh, Jewish friends in school from, literally from kindergarten all the way through eventually college where my roommates were Jewish. Several of my roommates were Jewish.And, uh, I- I just really think that this is something, uh... I- I'm a little surprised that this kind of ugliness has raised its head at this point, but, uh, nonetheless, I think it has.

[18:02] Speaker 7: And I think those of us, in particular, uh, who are not Jewish have to speak up because, uh-

[18:10] Speaker 6: Well-

[18:10] Speaker 7: ... you just can't let people dangle out there. And when I see all these-

[18:13] Speaker 6: They have to speak up about that and Jews have to speak up about the Christian genocide in Nigeria.

[18:19] Speaker 7: Yes. Good point.

[18:20] Speaker 6: We must stand together, both of us, as well as Christians must do a better job. I'm sorry to interrupt, but this is, uh, an issue on which I have great passion.

[18:29] Speaker 7: Yeah.

[18:29] Speaker 6: And, um, because we have so little time... And boy, I could talk to you for an hour about this. Have you speculated as to what is going on? Let's just zero in on Tucker Carlson. Some people have said that Qatar is paying money, uh, for this. Why he needs more money, I don't know, but I... you know, it's not for me to say. Um, maybe, uh, uh, Jew haters have been secret Jew haters all along and now it's okay to be a Jew hater? Or some- or is it something going on with the left? Because it certainly is the closest thing we've seen that could truly blow up the Trump coalition. That and TPUSA, people trying to hijack that in favor of anti-Israel and Jew hatred. You know, this is, this is a hot potato that could really blow up. I wonder what you think. Who's behind it?

[19:28] Speaker 7: Uh, I've been very surprised to see that this has emerged. And, uh, and I have to say, uh, not everybody on the right, uh, is, is going down that path of antisemitism.

[19:41] Speaker 6: Oh, no.

[19:41] Speaker 7: And I can give you a specific-

[19:43] Speaker 6: No.

[19:43] Speaker 7: ... I can give you a quite specific example. Uh, in August of this year, uh, I- I'm also a contributor for Newsmax TV.

[19:52] Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.

[19:53] Speaker 7: And in August, Newsmax assembled, uh, a group of its anchors and, uh, television contributors, and flew us to Israel, and we spent a week. We got to, uh, have a get together with Prime Minister Netanyahu. Uh, we were entertained at the home of the, uh, Israeli Defense Minister. Uh, we went to the Israeli Parliament, the Knesset, and, and, and had conversations with people there. And, uh, and then, uh, uh, and I was just fascinated with this, w- we got a, a, you know, walking tour over the course of the week of, o- old Jerusalem.

[20:34] Speaker 6: Oh.

[20:34] Speaker 7: And it is, it is truly an amazing thing to see. You know, as an American, we think in this coming week is a, is a reminder of this.

[20:45] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[20:45] Speaker 7: When we think of old and ancient history, we think of the pilgrims coming here in 1620. You're walking around Jerusalem and they're telling you that such and such a thing... And for, for instance, in one case, they took us into the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, and said, pointed to a specific roped-off area and said, "This is where Christ was crucified." (laughs) And then, then, then they show you, uh, a, a walkway and they said, "And this was put in here by the Romans." Well, we're talking thousands of years ago, not just 1620.

[21:17] Speaker 6: Yes, we are.

[21:18] Speaker 7: And it is an amazing-

[21:19] Speaker 6: You know, I just-

[21:21] Speaker 7: ... disaster.

[21:21] Speaker 6: ... I just want to point out this very powerful sentence that you wrote in your article that Mark Levin said, which you repeated several times. Uh, "Mark Levin slams Tucker Carlson: 'If you're a Jew hater, you're a Christian hater.'"

[21:38] Speaker 7: Yeah.

[21:38] Speaker 6: So, how do you get through to people? I would say, and we don't have time to go into this, uh, replacement theologists who believe that, you know, who believe, who, who believe their religion starts with Christianity, that's it. I think that's part of it, but it's something more sinister and long held. Uh, we can't, uh, solve that problem today, but what are these guys missing? What do you think is going on with Tucker Carlson who's been all over the map?

[22:11] Speaker 7: Yeah. That's-

[22:11] Speaker 6: First he was a liberal, then he was pro-Israel. Now he is a, practically a Holocaust denier, having, uh, uh, Nick Fuentes on.

[22:21] Speaker 7: Yeah.

[22:21] Speaker 6: Uh, uh, you know, it, it, it could give you whiplash.

[22:25] Speaker 7: Yeah, I honestly don't know. I, uh... And, and, and point of fact, I've never actually met, uh, Tucker in, in person. Uh, although we have communicated from time to time in the past, uh, via, you know, texts and emails and all of that sort of thing. Um, I, I have no idea what, what's going on here. I mean, uh, particularly now after I've been to Israel and seen it firsthand, close up, uh, the thought of abandoning Israel or not treating it as what it is, in fact, really is, which is a serious American ally, uh, in, in a world that is filled with some, uh, pretty reputable characters, uh, it, it's very important. And I just, I frankly don't understand where, uh, Tucker has, has gone on this. And I think that, uh, I think Mark is right, if you're a Jew hater, you're a Christian hater, and that's not good.

[23:20] Speaker 6: Well, well, and think about this, what company are you in with radical Islamist terrorists, the radical left communists who hate Israel? I mean, it- it's just mind-boggling, like I said. Jeffrey Lord, I wish we had more time. Thank you so much. Um, people can find you, I take it, at the American Spectator?

[23:40] Speaker 7: Yeah.

[23:40] Speaker 6: They gotta read this article. Three cheers for Mark Levin. Can't wait to talk to you after the holidays. Uh, have a great Thanksgiving.

[23:49] Speaker 7: Thanks.

[23:50] Speaker 6: Well, well, take, take care. We're going to be right back on the Ellen Nathan All Stars on the Main Street Radio Network. Stay tuned.

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[27:02] Speaker 21: Psst. Steven.

[27:03] Speaker 20: Who said that?

[27:04] Speaker 21: Me, down here.

[27:06] Speaker 20: Ugh, what are you, a yellow booger?

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[27:09] Speaker 20: Well, uh, what are you doing in my room?

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[27:16] Speaker 20: Miss me? Who misses me?

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[27:24] Speaker 20: Mom took me to the forest last year.

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[29:05] Speaker 6: And we're back on the Alan Nathan All Stars. I'm Karen Cataline filling in. Oh, I'm not filling in. I'm sorry. I knew I would say that at some point. Our whole show is named after the wonderful Alan Nathan, whom we lost just only a few weeks ago. And, um, I know how missed he is and is going to be. That's why his name is still on the show. So we honor him and his memory. Well, we are going to, uh, welcome director, producer, and humorist. He's the director of the mystery thriller, Guns and Moses, now streaming on Amazon Prime, Apple TV, and other major platforms. I saw it. It's wonderful. Go see it. He's also authored Let My People Laugh: Greatest Jewish Jokes of All Time. Sal Litvack, otherwise known as Salvatore Litvack, a name with ethnic-... uh, uh, um, a contradiction (laughs) , perhaps.

[30:07] Speaker 23: (laughs)

[30:07] Speaker 6: How are you, Sal? Good to have you on.

[30:10] Speaker 23: Good. Can't wait to be back with you. Always good-

[30:12] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[30:12] Speaker 23: ... to be with you. I'm a regular now. I feel like I know you personally. We need to-

[30:16] Speaker 6: Uh.

[30:16] Speaker 23: ... have lunch sometime. (laughs)

[30:18] Speaker 6: Eh, I would love that. I would love that. Well, especially, did you, did you find that you... I know you must have had some Sephardic, uh, uh, roots in your past? Or is it just that your mother loved the name Salvador?

[30:34] Speaker 23: (laughs) It's not Sephardic. But on my father's side, uh, my family came from Ukraine to the New World and they didn't end up in America, they ended up in South America, in Chile.

[30:45] Speaker 6: Mm.

[30:45] Speaker 23: And so, uh, my grandfather, my father, and I, were all born there. And, uh, my grandfather's name was Salvador Litvack also. And I'm pretty sure we're the only two Salvador Litvacks who ever lived. (laughs) .

[30:57] Speaker 6: Well, I know many Jewish women who've named their kids after, uh, uh, uh, movie stars that they loved, like, uh, I can't think of, like, uh, Maura, of Maura Tierney and stuff like that. So Salvador-

[31:14] Speaker 23: Oh.

[31:14] Speaker 6: ... wouldn't be all that unusual. And for our listeners since (clears throat) , excuse me, I was, um, talking Sephardic is the Latin American and more Hispanic and even, uh, uh, Israeli side of the Jewish history, and that's why I asked him about Sephardic, I'm thinking, "Maybe they don't know. I don't know." Anyway-

[31:35] Speaker 23: They say the Jews from Spain-

[31:37] Speaker 6: (laughs) Yes.

[31:37] Speaker 23: ... who, uh, when they were kicked out of Spain, actually some went, you know, uh, to the New World, but others ended up in Turkey and in the Middle East, uh, and even in Russia, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan. It's, it's so interesting how people spread out and bring their, uh, you know, their backgrounds and their heritage with them.

[31:55] Speaker 6: You know what, Sal? I'm gonna, I'm gonna, uh, start with a question that I know Jews get and they don't know how to answer. When someone already is harboring a little Jew, a little bit of Jew hatred-

[32:12] Speaker 23: (laughs)

[32:12] Speaker 6: ... could that happen? You know, more today than we've seen in our lifetimes, a lot of Jew hatred floating around from both the right and the left. We just got through talking about it with Jeffrey Lord. Um, eh, eh, Jews get asked a terribly ugly question that is, uh, blaming the victim. You'd be any other population to be b- blaming the victim, but when Jews get asked it, it's kinda like we're supposed to answer. Now, that doesn't mean everyone's anti-Semitic, they are not. But this is the kinda question. They'd say, "Well, with all that history of getting kicked out of all these places, you know, shouldn't we wonder if you did something wrong to get kicked out?

[32:57] Speaker 6: Why'd you get kicked out-

[32:58] Speaker 23: (laughs)

[32:58] Speaker 6: ... of all those places?" And what do you tell 'em, Mr. Filmmaker Person? (laughs)

[33:04] Speaker 23: Well, if you look at that history, very often when the Jews were living in a place like Spain, that country was thriving and on top of the world. And then when they kicked out the Jews, that country sank. (laughs) So-

[33:18] Speaker 6: How about that?

[33:18] Speaker 23: ... you know. (laughs)

[33:19] Speaker 6: How about that?

[33:21] Speaker 23: Yes.

[33:21] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[33:21] Speaker 23: Yes. I think Jews are very good for the countries that we're in. We contribute a lot. Uh, and, you know, the, the, when people just get jealous because Jews tend to succeed because they value education so much, because they often-

[33:35] Speaker 6: Right.

[33:35] Speaker 23: ... have a lot of kids and, you know, they're good at-

[33:37] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[33:37] Speaker 23: ... business and they've been building businesses for thousands of years, so we're good at it. Uh-

[33:42] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[33:43] Speaker 23: ... but it's something that always contributes to, to the local economy.

[33:48] Speaker 6: And no one asks questions like that of almost any other, uh, minority group. As a matter of fact, um, uh, uh, the Jew haters have talked skulls full of mush into believing that Jews are white colonizers (laughs) and that we're not a minority.

[34:08] Speaker 23: Right.

[34:08] Speaker 6: We are among the very first minorities. Um, and I've kind of chalked it up to ethnic and religious hatred. I think that's, uh, uh, there are spiritual reasons for Jew hatred and there are secular reasons. But from a secular perspective, I think it could be chalked up to ethnic and religious hatred. We don't go out and try to make converts.

[34:35] Speaker 23: Right.

[34:36] Speaker 6: Tell me if that's too simplistic in your mind having made this wonderful movie about Jews fighting back called Guns & Moses.

[34:46] Speaker 23: I mean, it, it, it's sort of like they're always looking, people are always looking for a scapegoat for their problems. Uh, Jews are an easy target, and so they'll accuse us of things that are totally contradictory. You know, sometimes we're too rich, sometimes we're too poor, sometimes we're too involved, sometimes we're too standoffish, according to the Jew haters.

[35:05] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[35:06] Speaker 23: Uh, and, and then in whatever era, you know, they'll come up with some new argument why we're a problem. There was no Israel, so they blame us for, you know, being among them. Now there is an Israel, and they blame us for supporting Israel. Uh, they'll come up with something. But it always, you know, as soon as you actually look at what the accusations are, they don't make sense. They're irrational. Um, you know, it's, you know what's interesting?

[35:31] Speaker 23: I've, ev- everybody's been talking in the Jewish world about this interview that Tucker Carlson did with Nick Fuente

[35:36] Speaker 24: ... uh, yeah.

[35:36] Speaker 6: I was gonna get there. Might as well go do it, yeah.

[35:39] Speaker 23: Might as well go there, right?

[35:40] Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.

[35:40] Speaker 23: And, um, and everyone is, is obviously condemning it. I mean, this guy is just a rabid Jew hater. But I will say that most people who are condemning it haven't actually heard the interview. Uh, and I did, I sat down and listened to it. And I think what really makes a Jew hater like Nick Fuente dangerous, uh, is, is how much sense he does speak. There's a lot of truth in what he's saying.... uh, like 80% of it. You know, i- if you're somebody that really cares about America, uh, you're gonna talk about that there's a lot of liberal multiculturalism that puts America second or puts America last. And then you can nod along w- when he's talking about that part. And then he gets to the cause of these problems, right?

[36:24] Speaker 6: Mm.

[36:25] Speaker 23: Uh, and he asks very innocently, "Well, you know, I just kept asking, what is it that America gets out of supporting Israel? And I couldn't get an answer. The answers I got were just generalized rhetoric that doesn't really make any sense." And actually, the answers make a lot of sense, right? (laughs) So for instance, he points out that, um, that Israel shares intelligence with the United States, but lies to the United States, and therefore that undermines the entire answer. Well, it's not that Israel lies to the United States. It's that every nation has its own intelligence service and they work with other intelligence services because it benefits them. Uh, but at the end of the day, they're gonna be most loyal to their own country (laughs) and their own intelligence agency. And you could be sure that the CIA is not sharing everything it knows with Israel or any other ally.

[37:20] Speaker 23: Uh, but you can also be sure that America's receiving tremendous amounts of useful intel, uh, from Amer- from Israeli intelligence agencies. Israel- America's definitely benefiting from Israeli technology. Uh, you use an iPhone, you're benefiting (laughs) from Israeli technology, uh, and so many other products and services. It is good for America to have an ally in such an unstable region. Uh, it is good to receive military technology from Israel, which is definitely gonna benefit America. It's already benefiting America. And it's good business for, you know, American d- defense industry. So there's a lot of good things that America benefits that he just dismisses as if it's not there, uh, because what he really wants to say is, "Jews are a problem." And then he's gonna twist the facts and, and, and, you know, dismiss what are actually valid arguments in order for him to get to his point.

[38:18] Speaker 6: You know what, you know what troubles me, Sal? Is that when, uh, people who support Israel and the Jewish people, or Jews themselves, the ones that aren't self-hating anyway-

[38:30] Speaker 23: Yeah.

[38:31] Speaker 6: ... um, we, we, we get, we fall into the same trap that conservatives did before Donald Trump came along, and that is, we're always on the defensive trying to make rational arguments. One of the more, uh, wonderful things I've heard recently, and I don't know if I've quoted it to you, is, "You can never reason somebody out of a position they never reasoned into." Uh-

[38:56] Speaker 23: Oh, that's brilliant.

[38:57] Speaker 6: Isn't that wonderful? And-

[38:58] Speaker 23: That's exactly right.

[38:58] Speaker 6: ... and so there's two things that trouble me. One is that, uh, people who are looking for a scapegoat or ... And I, I didn't like the term woke right at first, but now I understand the reason for it, because if you're the victim and you're looking for somebody to blame for why nothing is happening the way you want it to, it's easy to be ... uh, to blame it on the Jews. The other one, we'll have to, um, talk about when we get back. And thank goodness Sal has agreed to another segment, and I'll try to finish that thought and get his comments after this. Thanks, Sal, for holding on. You're listening to the Al- Ellen Nathan All Stars, and this is the Main Street Radio Network. Stay tuned.

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[45:07] Speaker 6: Welcome back, everyone, to the Alan Nathan All Stars. Takes a while to remember to say that. Um, it is so good to have with us for a second segment, Salvador Litvack. Thank you for staying with us, Sal. Director, producer, humorist, and director of the mystery thriller, go see it, Guns and Moses, now streaming on Amazon Prime, Apple TV, and other platforms. Thanks, Sal, for staying with us.

[45:41] Speaker 23: Good to be with you.

[45:42] Speaker 6: You know, um, I'm gonna cut over. I was, you know, waxing philosophic there about antisemitism, but let's, let's go directly to this wonderful article that you wrote in American Greatness with the title, American Jews: Are We Closer to New York, 1975, or Budapest, 1935. Ooh, boy! Talk about that for people who don't know the difference and why you wrote this article. What was your, one of your main points there?

[46:15] Speaker 23: So yeah, and this arises from personal experience. My grandmother, uh, was in Hungary in 1935, uh, with her husband watching the world, uh, become such a hateful place, watching Europe become a hateful place toward the Jews, a rising darkness. And, uh, and she actually said to him, who was a veterinarian, "We gotta get outta here. Uh, they need veterinarians in Iran. That's a much better and safer place to be a Jew."

[46:44] Speaker 6: (laughs)

[46:44] Speaker 23: Which sounds funny now-

[46:46] Speaker 6: Yes, it does.

[46:46] Speaker 23: ... but was 100% true in 1935.

[46:49] Speaker 6: Uh-huh.

[46:49] Speaker 23: Uh, and what did he say? He said, "What are you talking about? I'm a Hungarian. I fought for my country in the Great War, in World War I. And, uh, when am I gonna go to some other country? You know, we're staying here." And, uh, they stayed and it got worse and worse, and, and he was murdered in the Holocaust.

[47:08] Speaker 6: Uh. Oh.

[47:08] Speaker 23: Uh, my grandmother was in a concentration camp and survived and carried my mother as an infant through that camp. Absolute miracle story.

[47:16] Speaker 6: Oh, my, my.

[47:19] Speaker 23: So, yeah, so 1935 is that specter of Jew hatred that just, you know, mushrooms into a- a- a, you know, an absolute devastation and calamity. Uh-

[47:31] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[47:31] Speaker 23: ... true danger, you know, which Jews have faced in many times and places, but perhaps never as bad as the Holocaust. 1975, uh, refers to a period two years after a surprise attack on Israel, uh, the Yom Kippur War, which showed Israel and Jews everywhere, you know, how vulnerable the Jewish state was. Uh, we survived that and actually came back much stronger. And by two years later, uh, you know, things were really on, on the rise again. Uh, people were very involved. America was realizing what an important ally Israel was, uh, and was coming to its help and military aid. Uh, and because of that, the strength of that, uh, of that unity, that allyship, uh-... by 1979, we had the Camp David Accords, uh, and peace with Egypt, the, the, the biggest country, uh, in the Middle East, and, you know, setting the stage for- for good things to come. So, what I'm asking is, are we closer to a coming Holocaust?

[48:33] Speaker 23: (laughs)

[48:34] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[48:34] Speaker 23: Uh, or are we closer to a rebound from October 7th? You know? And I think that there's- there's evidence to point in both directions.

[48:43] Speaker 6: Uh, I have to ask you this tough question. In your heart of hearts, do you have... are you leaning in one direction or the other?

[48:53] Speaker 23: Listen, I don't think that we're in 1930s Germany here in America. I mean, this country is so good, so kind, such... so much the land of opportunity, the American experiment. Uh, I love America, you know, so much. O- Our second film was about, uh, Abraham Lincoln. It's called Saving Lincoln, uh, and we- we studied for two years American history and especially Civil War history. And Lincoln's own, you know, great feeling that America and the American experiment is something on behalf of the whole world. It's really that shining city on a hill. In a sense, the new Jerusalem, which is how the founding fathers saw it, uh, and has brought democracy to the world with all its problems, and there are many. Uh, America still, you know, in that sense, the greatest nation in the world. Uh, but have we, as Jews here, never faced such danger in our lifetimes, is unquestionable.

[49:52] Speaker 23: Uh-

[49:52] Speaker 6: I don't think we have. We never have.

[49:54] Speaker 23: Yeah. Uh, uh, we never have, and- and most recently in the fallout from that Nick Fuentes interview on Tucker, he, Tucker Carlson, has said, "Oh, Jews, you better listen to what's going on here with love," uh, "before, uh- uh- uh, something bigger and more explosive comes." I mean, he's basically saying violence is coming your way.

[50:12] Speaker 6: With love? What does that mean?

[50:15] Speaker 23: Yeah, exactly. What does that mean?

[50:17] Speaker 6: What does that mean?

[50:18] Speaker 23: Um-

[50:19] Speaker 6: (laughs)

[50:20] Speaker 23: A- A- And we are facing real violence. I mean, you know, we've talked about this before. E- Like, I carry a gun-

[50:26] Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.

[50:26] Speaker 23: ... in shul, you know? Like, I'm part of a volunteer security force.

[50:30] Speaker 6: Many do.

[50:30] Speaker 23: We're extremely... And we're extremely well-trained, and I tell everybody who's thinking about getting a firearm, "Fine, and do it, and protect your community and your family, but you have to go through extensive training and ongoing training 'cause it's a perishable skill." Uh, but that's not something that I grew up with, you know, feeling that need, uh, in the United States. I mean, violent attacks are on the rise. It's real.

[50:53] Speaker 6: What ab- What about the- the shul on the Upper East Side? Just last week, I just returned from New York City-

[51:01] Speaker 23: Yeah.

[51:01] Speaker 6: ... at a conference, a Shabbaton, in which there were... it was at two synagogues on the West Side, and we were told not to tell anybody about that conference for fear that the same thing would happen, and what exactly happened on Wednesday, in which case... in- in- in- in the case that bloodthirsty, rabid Jew haters-

[51:26] Speaker 23: Yeah.

[51:26] Speaker 6: ... were- were spewing, uh, intimidating, bullying language and surrounding a synagogue.

[51:34] Speaker 23: Yeah.

[51:34] Speaker 6: If you got guns, what do you do then? I mean, you're- you're being, uh, uh... I- I- it's horrific that this could happen. My parents, my grandparents would never have believed it.

[51:45] Speaker 23: Would never have believed it. And that conference, uh, was all about, you know, Jews who'd like to return to Israel, to the homeland, and what- what- what does it mean to do that. It's not easy. Uh, there- there's a lot of practical challenges. And there's a wonderful organization that helps, uh, Jews who'd like to move to Israel and live in the ancestral homeland of the Jewish people navigate those practical matters.

[52:08] Speaker 23: Uh-

[52:08] Speaker 6: Is that what they were doing at that conference?

[52:11] Speaker 23: Yeah.

[52:11] Speaker 6: Like, in, um-

[52:11] Speaker 23: At that conference, where the mob was outside-

[52:13] Speaker 6: Really?

[52:13] Speaker 23: Exactly.

[52:14] Speaker 6: Ah.

[52:14] Speaker 23: And- and so what does Momdoni say? That instead of condemning the violent mob outside who's chanting, you know... you know, very basically for the- the death of the Jews and, you know, globalizing Intifada and that kind of stuff, uh, he criticizes the conference inside, uh, and basically calling the- the- the Jewish state a terrorist pariah state. You know, I mean, we... it's obvious-

[52:39] Speaker 6: Uh-

[52:39] Speaker 23: ... how the mayor of New York feels about Israel.

[52:40] Speaker 6: Who believes... Who believes that he wouldn't do anything else. Uh, it's good that you're a regular, Sal, 'cause we were just getting started. We gotta talk about with the-

[52:48] Speaker 23: (laughs)

[52:49] Speaker 6: ... Arab Spring in America and how this came to happen. Uh, everybody, go see his movie, Guns & Moses. Best of luck with that. Happy Thanksgiving, and hope to talk to you after- after the holidays.

[53:06] Speaker 23: All right, Caren. Take care.

[53:07] Speaker 6: Take care.

[53:07] Speaker 23: Have a great holiday.

[53:07] Speaker 6: All righty. Take care. We'll be back with another hour of the Alan... uh, the Alan Nathan All Stars right after this. Don't go away.

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