[00:03] Speaker 1: Welcome to Signs of Life, exploring survival of consciousness, brought to you by Forever Family Foundation, on the web at foreverfamilyfoundation.org.

[00:15] Speaker 2: I call your name. The echo is haunting. The echo is always the same. I call your name. The echo is haunting. An echo can never be changed. So I call your name. Your name. Good evening, everybody, and welcome to Medium Insights Hour, brought to you by the Forever Family Foundation and Signs of Life Radio. As you all know, we gather here every month to explore the mindsets of many accomplished spiritual mediums on many topics related to consciousness, spirituality, and the afterlife. I'm Roman Karpishka, and as your host, I'm very excited to welc- very exciting- very excited to welcome for the first time to the show, a fellow Canadian, Joelle Tremblay, uh, for the very first time. Joelle's journey, l- it's quite interesting, uh, it bridges a, like a, um, grounded professional life with a profound spiritual awakening is the best way to describe it.

[01:32] Speaker 2: So, after early intuitive experiences that she didn't understand, she pursued a highly analytical path, earning an ad- undergraduate degree, a master's degree, completing half a doctorate while advancing in the corporate world, leading teams, managing complex projects, launching three small businesses. So, s- you know, at that point, spirituality kind of remained absent from her life until a, a struggle with infertility left her to an unexpected retreat that opened her, reopened her connection to the spiritual realm. So, through meditation, deep inner work, she experienced a transfor- formative awakening and soon became pregnant. And during her third trimester, her intuitive abilities returned with striking clarity, allowing her to connect with spirit and communicate with loved ones who have passed. Since then, she's trained expen- extensively with courses, mentorships, and m- more than, you know, uh, 100 practice sittings before offering her mediumship professionally.

[02:28] Speaker 2: Today, she uses her ability to hear, sense, see, and feel spirit to support individuals and families in their healing, and crediting her son as the catalyst who revealed her purpose to the path that she was meant to follow. So, tonight's show is, as always, for informational purposes. Your, uh, your questions are more than welcome. And if you do have questions, please feel free to call 1-888-627-6008. 1-888-627-6008. And with that, J- Joelle, welcome to the show.

[03:09] Speaker 3: Merci beaucoup. Merci, I'm so happy to be here.

[03:11] Speaker 2: Oh. De rien. De rien.

[03:12] Speaker 3: Uh, what a beautiful bio you (laughs) you read.

[03:16] Speaker 2: Th- w- thank you. Thank you. Yeah. We just, uh, you know, we w- I got it from your website and just-

[03:21] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[03:21] Speaker 2: ... kind of reworded it and there you go, you know? So...

[03:24] Speaker 3: I- it's fun... It's lovely to hear my story through someone else's, uh, lens. Uh, yeah.

[03:30] Speaker 2: Her perspective, yeah.

[03:31] Speaker 3: It's interesting, you know?

[03:31] Speaker 2: Very nice.

[03:32] Speaker 3: Thank you.

[03:32] Speaker 2: Well, you know, we're, we're- I'm gonna be questioning you a lot about, you know, being a first time newbie to the show. We, we wanna know more about you and-

[03:40] Speaker 3: Absolutely.

[03:41] Speaker 2: ... how everything became... So where d- where are you from?

[03:45] Speaker 3: Um, I'm actually from Canada, as, as-

[03:47] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[03:47] Speaker 3: ... you know.

[03:48] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[03:48] Speaker 3: Um, I'm French-Canadian, so I live in the outskirts of Ottawa, uh, but I did-

[03:53] Speaker 2: Okay.

[03:54] Speaker 3: ... uh, I did my fair share of traveling, living abroad and everything, but, um, I'm rooted here. (laughs)

[04:01] Speaker 2: Very nice. So, like, um, Orléans, are you, like, uh, around there or-

[04:05] Speaker 3: No, actually, Chelsea, um-

[04:06] Speaker 2: Chelsea, okay.

[04:08] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[04:08] Speaker 2: I got... My, my brother lives in Ottawa, actually, and I was born in Ottawa, which-

[04:12] Speaker 3: Oh, no way.

[04:13] Speaker 2: Yeah. She... And I lived in Montreal till, um, um, 1997, and then, you know, from-

[04:19] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[04:19] Speaker 2: ... and then I lived here in Albany, so it was... Before the show, uh, uh, J'avais un petit peu d'occasion de parler avec vous, uh-

[04:27] Speaker 3: Really?

[04:27] Speaker 2: ... which is, I just said to her, I just had, you know, an occasion to speak French, which I don't get very often, but it was, uh, it's very nice, uh, to, to do that.

[04:35] Speaker 3: It was a very nice surprise. (laughs)

[04:37] Speaker 2: Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. So this is, um, um, uh, so you live outside of Ottawa, and, um, so you a- obviously speak French, and how did you hook up with, uh, the Forever Family Foundation?

[04:53] Speaker 3: Oh, it's a lovely story, actually.

[04:54] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[04:55] Speaker 3: Um, so as you mentioned, as you were reading my bio, um, my gifts, kind of abilities, I sh- I should say, uh, returned-

[05:04] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[05:04] Speaker 3: ... when I was pregnant with my-

[05:06] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[05:06] Speaker 3: ... with my first. But you don't, you don't understand it with your eyes. You, you don't qui- you don't control, you don't-

[05:11] Speaker 2: I don't understand what it's like to be pregnant. No.

[05:14] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[05:15] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[05:16] Speaker 3: Um, and anyways, uh, very synchronistically, during my whole breastfeeding journey and my sleepless nights, uh, Surviving Death was on Netflix. And so I was watching Surviving Death, but I did not connect right away, but that was my first kind of learning about the Forever Family Foundation, but didn't think much of it, right? I'm just sleep-deprived at this time (laughs) like a mom of a- of my first one, at, at the time I only had one, and all of this. Um, but then, um, I just explored more of my mediumship and my abilities, train, all of that exercise.

[05:50] Speaker 3: And I was doing a, a reading for someone one day, and, um, the woman was from California, and she says, "How are you not certified by the Forever Family Foundation?"And I kind of had to dust off my brain, and be like, "The Forever Family?"

[06:04] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[06:05] Speaker 3: Uh, right, so I- I went, looked at the website, understood that I couldn't get involved in any way possible, 'cause I love volunteering in my personal life, and I was like, "Okay, cannot volunteer, cannot help if I want to pass the certification." So I just registered, waited, um, few months, of course, uh, it's a long process, did- did my test. But that's how I came- it came about. It was-

[06:26] Speaker 2: Oh, very nice.

[06:26] Speaker 3: ... the first time they pinged me, I didn't understand it, so they had to ping it to- they had to ping me directly the second time, they had to be like, "You, this." (laughs)

[06:34] Speaker 2: Very nice. So, uh, you've gotten to know some of the people, like, uh, Bob Ginzberg, one of the founders?

[06:40] Speaker 3: Yes. Yeah.

[06:40] Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a great guy. He's a great all-around guy.

[06:42] Speaker 3: Oh, I adore Bob.

[06:43] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[06:43] Speaker 3: So I was on my first retreat in January, actually, was the first retreat I did. Um, but I also interviewed Bob for, um, I write a spiritual letter every single month, and I interviewed Bob for his personal story. Oh, he's so generous. He's such a great person.

[06:57] Speaker 2: Yeah, no, great. No, I see that, uh, I- I see that you have, uh, you wrote a spiritual story and you came out with a- you have a children's book that you came out with.

[07:06] Speaker 3: Oh, yes! Yeah.

[07:07] Speaker 2: Yes! Talk a bit about that. What- tell us about that.

[07:10] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[07:10] Speaker 2: What's that all about?

[07:10] Speaker 3: Uh, that's fantastic, actually. It came from a personal story. So my godson had trouble sleeping through the night. Um, he was three or four at the time, trouble sleep- sleeping through the night. Um, he'd say he'd have visits, there would always be, um (laughs) he would call her a witch, but she was funny, but he said, "I don't wanna laugh. It's midnight, I don't wanna laugh." (laughs) And so he'd tell her to go away. Um, so I came up with, like, a little bubble of protection, uh, a way f- for him, in his language, to understand how to, um, tell her to go away. That- that time was not the time, and he would only allow mom and dad at night in his room. And so, um, he started saying that daily, his little nightly prayer protection bubble prayer, um, and it worked. And so I was like, "Oh, wait, maybe it can help more kids." (laughs) And so I wrote it in a book format, yeah.

[07:58] Speaker 2: Fantastic, fantastic. And the other book that you wrote... I mean, I- I've read hundreds of books on mediumship, you know, because it- it fascinates me and all of that.

[08:09] Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fascinating.

[08:10] Speaker 2: But this is the first book that I've read, like, or- or the- the first book that I've seen where it's like from a perspective of how to live with a medium or how to deal with a medium. That's the other book that you wrote.

[08:22] Speaker 3: Oh my God!

[08:22] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[08:23] Speaker 3: Okay, yes, I was like, "Which book?" My Guide for the Partner, yes!

[08:26] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really cool.

[08:28] Speaker 3: Yes.

[08:28] Speaker 2: I've never seen anything like it. Te- te- tell people about that a bit.

[08:32] Speaker 3: Yes, well my poor husband, he married a corporate girl doing her doctorate degree. He did not (laughs) , he did not marry a medium who lights up incense and saged the home. Uh, but I love him.

[08:44] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[08:44] Speaker 3: I love and adore him. He welcomes all- e- every single shape and form as of me. Uh, but he didn't know how to de- you know, if suddenly someone in your home becomes highly spiritual (laughs) , how- how do I deal with someone that speaks with passed loved ones and, you know, he didn't know. So, um...

[09:01] Speaker 2: So your- your life's like an episode of Bewitched, right? Kind of?

[09:06] Speaker 3: Right. (laughs) Right.

[09:08] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[09:08] Speaker 3: Um, and so this is our journey of how, um, yeah, how to find a respectful, loving, kind relationship when-

[09:19] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[09:19] Speaker 3: ... you have your spiritual awakening because for mus- most of us, it happ- happens within our adult life. And for a lot of people, unfortunately, their partner is not necessarily open to the idea. And so, um, it's ways of still being, um...

[09:33] Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's- that's-

[09:34] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[09:34] Speaker 2: ... that's- that's really, uh, uh, you know, a very different perspective on things, and I- I really appreciate it, and I'm sure a lot of people will appreciate it. So, um, we're gonna, uh, t- talk more about your business towards the end, kind of, thing, where we- you get to plug your website and all that kind of stuff-

[09:50] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[09:50] Speaker 2: ... and get all these bookings and make a million dollars. No.

[09:52] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[09:53] Speaker 2: But no, actually, it's to help people, I- I understand that, but can-

[09:56] Speaker 3: Yes, and I'm- no, I am, um, blessed with, uh, lovely clientele, uh, truly.

[10:02] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[10:02] Speaker 3: I'm just blessed with trust always, uh, so yeah, um...

[10:06] Speaker 2: So that bubble of protection that you- you- you- you know, in your kid book-

[10:10] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[10:10] Speaker 2: Do you apply it to yourself when you do readings, like the-

[10:13] Speaker 3: I do.

[10:14] Speaker 2: Okay, so- so tell us about how you prepare for a reading.

[10:17] Speaker 3: Oh, lovely. Um, well, my God, it's- it- as you know by now, by the amount of time you've done this show- (laughs)

[10:26] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[10:26] Speaker 3: ... all of us, we have our own unique way of getting into our- our connection.

[10:32] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[10:33] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[10:33] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[10:33] Speaker 3: All of us are very so unique, and so I can only speak from my perspective, for anyone listening, I- I always want to say that, because, um, I always tell people, "You gotta try different tools, different ways of doing it." Um, 'cause each of us are so individual in the way we connect. How I personally do it is I go through a meditation where I ground myself, and then I open all of my energy, and then I'm a very visual person, so I al- I will always visualize either a highway of energy, like literally a highway coming through me and out of me, or I will step out of an elevator and boom, I step into a- a field of light. Now, that field of light is my field of light, so the highway of energy and the field of light, wherever I step in is my field of light, and I will put a bubble of protection around that one.

[11:18] Speaker 3: Um, and I will simply put a little, um, intention to the angels, um, my- also my lovely grandmother, who spoke with angels, who I learned after her passing, you know, how the whole life unfolds.

[11:31] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[11:31] Speaker 3: But I learned, uh, so I'll- I'll often, um, ask her, her support, her, um, protection into my work. And then I will always ask for the, um, person I'm about to read, I'll- I'll say usually their first name, and I'll ask for the best intention, the most healing validations and messages that can come through.

[11:50] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[11:50] Speaker 3: But yes, that's, in a nutshell, my way of connecting.

[11:53] Speaker 2: Very nice. And- and do you do that, like, in front of the client? Like, with the client in front of you?

[11:57] Speaker 3: No, I do that on my personal... Yes.

[11:59] Speaker 2: On the- before that- beforehand, gotcha.

[12:01] Speaker 3: Yes. Yes.

[12:01] Speaker 2: Okay.

[12:02] Speaker 3: Yes, because, uh, yeah.

[12:03] Speaker 2: So-

[12:04] Speaker 3: I can take my time sometimes. (laughs)

[12:06] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, of course. So how many, how many readings do you typically do, like, in a, in a day or in a week?

[12:12] Speaker 3: Uh...

[12:12] Speaker 2: 'Cause it takes a lot of energy.

[12:14] Speaker 3: I love that question. Because you know what? When I came into this, I was not guided into this work, and I literally thought every single medium would do 40 hours a week of, of readings.

[12:26] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[12:26] Speaker 3: And so... (laughs) I really did. You can laugh about it, because now I can laugh about it too. No one said anything to me. I don't know. This is not something people share broadly, that they don't do 40 hours a week. And I literally booked myself 40 hours a week (laughs) of reading. And of course, I got energy sickness. I was literally, um, uh, like food poisoning, food poisoning.

[12:48] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[12:48] Speaker 3: But then my husband had the same things as me, and he was fine. And here I would have food poisoning over food poisoning. I was like, "Well, what is happening to my body?" It was quite a physical sense- It was, it was wild. And then eventually, my brain, it took me about a month or two for my brain to piece together, "Oh my God-

[13:06] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[13:06] Speaker 3: ... I think I'm overdoing energy work."

[13:08] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. That's, that's way too much.

[13:11] Speaker 3: (laughs) It was wild.

[13:12] Speaker 2: That's wild.

[13:13] Speaker 3: It was wild.

[13:13] Speaker 2: You need... Yeah. That's crazy.

[13:14] Speaker 3: So now, my big days are five readings in a day. Those are my big days.

[13:18] Speaker 2: Okay.

[13:19] Speaker 3: Um, but then my usual days are four or three, depending.

[13:22] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[13:22] Speaker 3: I also have two young children, two and three. So based on their schedule-

[13:26] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[13:27] Speaker 3: ... their demands, I work around that as well. But, um, I do do a lot of readings, um, from what I've, I learned from other mediums, I understand that most mediums don't do as many as I do, but then-

[13:39] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[13:39] Speaker 3: ... I come from the extreme of thinking 40 hours. (laughs)

[13:41] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[13:41] Speaker 3: So I train myself to do (laughs) 40 hours a week. So for me, five a day isn't, isn't that much.

[13:47] Speaker 2: Okay. No, that's, that's good, as long as, you know, as long as you can keep it up. But yeah, it's because of the, uh, the energy that it takes just, m- m-

[13:56] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[13:56] Speaker 2: It takes a toll on your immune fighting abilities, and that's probably why you got sick a lot.

[14:01] Speaker 3: Yes. Uh, absolutely.

[14:02] Speaker 2: You know, you were doing it, and just the energy.

[14:03] Speaker 3: And I find that, um, um, I, I didn't know much about Reiki or any of those, uh, modalities before. But now I do get Reiki, um, at least once a month.

[14:13] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[14:14] Speaker 3: Um, by, um, a lovely Reiki practitioner named Carla that I al- always reference on my Instagram. Um, and I also do, um, therapy. I find that therapy twice a month is like such a, a help for me 'cause it helps me b- move those emotions, that overflow that stays within me. Emotions are energy as well, so I swear by (laughs) I swear-

[14:34] Speaker 2: Great.

[14:34] Speaker 3: ... by Reiki and therapy.

[14:36] Speaker 2: Very nice.

[14:37] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[14:37] Speaker 2: Very nice. So are you, like, um, can you turn off your, your readings abilities, like, when you're not doing readings? When you're at home, cooking supper, doing-

[14:47] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[14:47] Speaker 2: ... playing with the kids, can you turn that off?

[14:50] Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely.

[14:51] Speaker 2: Okay.

[14:51] Speaker 3: I have full control of my abilities, 1,000%. Yes, that would not be pleasant. (laughs) No.

[14:55] Speaker 2: No, it wouldn't.

[14:56] Speaker 3: No.

[14:56] Speaker 2: It certainly wouldn't.

[14:58] Speaker 3: No.

[14:58] Speaker 2: You know, some people can.

[14:58] Speaker 3: There's, are a few times that you have glitches, right? In like, um, airports, sometimes I'll sense someone, or, um, but then when that happens, I'll go back to the spirit, and I'll say, "I don't... This is not comfortable for me right now. Please come back to me in another moment."

[15:12] Speaker 2: Gotcha, gotcha. Now...

[15:14] Speaker 3: Yeah, I have strong boundaries.

[15:15] Speaker 2: In your, uh, uh, in your readings, um, do you ever, like, um, convey information that, uh, even like, the sitter does not know a-about?

[15:29] Speaker 3: Oh, yes.

[15:29] Speaker 2: You know, isn't that great when that happens?

[15:32] Speaker 3: It's lovely. It's lovely.

[15:34] Speaker 2: Kind of like double blind kind of thing, you know? And they find out that, "Hey, you were right" later, that kind of thing.

[15:39] Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes.

[15:40] Speaker 2: So tell us, tell us some, some things about that.

[15:42] Speaker 3: Yes, I'll give you a great example.

[15:44] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[15:44] Speaker 3: I was doing a reading for, um, a woman that did not speak French nor English, who, uh, was a widow, so she lost her husband. So she had one of her, um, child sit to be the translator during the reading.

[15:56] Speaker 2: Oh, okay. Mm-hmm.

[15:57] Speaker 3: And so I'm reading that person's dad, but the reading is aimed at, at the mom, right? So I'm re- I'm reading for the dad, and then, uh, it's quite interesting. Things from their early journey came through, what he did for a living when he was like 18, 19, when they met together. He would show me clear signs. He... It was, it was quite interesting, and I would tell that to, um, the child, and, and they would be like, "No, sorry, that's not my dad. No, sorry. I, I, I can't take this." And I'd be like, "Are you certain?" And at one point, they turned to their mom, and they translated everything I just said, and the mom started crying, because she was like, "Yes, that's what he did when we met. That's how he w-" That's exactly... He worked in, um, a factory. That was exactly his role in the factories. But the person never knew their dad as that. Uh, and so it was just a very interesting, um, nice moment for me.

[16:50] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[16:50] Speaker 3: Yeah. But it does happen a lot.

[16:51] Speaker 2: I'm sure. And it's all, you're also dealing with another language, so when you're getting those communications, it must be like very visual and not very language based for you to be able to-

[17:03] Speaker 3: I don't know, Roman.

[17:03] Speaker 2: ... in a different language.

[17:05] Speaker 3: For me, it gets translated. I understand that the person does not speak my language, but-

[17:09] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[17:09] Speaker 3: ... by the time the words arrive, they've been translated.

[17:12] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[17:13] Speaker 3: Um, but when I hear them speak, oh, I can tell you, "Oh, yeah, I know this is Spanish," or, "I know this is Hebrew," or, "I know, I know this is..." But by the time they arri- arrive in my clear audience, they're in English.

[17:24] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[17:24] Speaker 3: I don't know. (laughs) I don't know.

[17:25] Speaker 2: Nice.

[17:26] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[17:26] Speaker 2: So, wh- for a typical reading for you, like, usually somebody books a reading with a medium because, you know, they wanna, they, they wanna connect with a deceased loved one.

[17:35] Speaker 3: Right.

[17:35] Speaker 2: 'Cause they miss 'em, that kind of thing. So they're in there going with the intention of meeting a particular person-

[17:40] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[17:41] Speaker 2: ... but I'm sure during medium readings that you do, more people come through as well, right?

[17:46] Speaker 3: Yes.

[17:46] Speaker 2: Not just that person. So does that happen often? And to what scale does that happen, would you say, at least in, in your experience?

[17:53] Speaker 3: Yes, it does happen quite frequently.

[17:56] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[17:57] Speaker 3: While usually the person that we are expecting will take most of my light, or sometimes all of my light-It does happen, and I had a wild story happen once, and so ever since that story, I never doubt spirits. Um, one time, I had, um, I believe ... I can't remember properly, but I think I, um, had a husband and a mom that were departed.

[18:19] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[18:19] Speaker 3: But then I had this other lady, and I was like, "She's a faint connection in your life, but she is here, clear as day." And I had bullet points validations as to who this woman was. And the sitter said, "I'm sorry, I really can't place her." And I said, "No worries. You know, don't s- don't stress this during a reading. Just please receive the validations and wait, and wait and see." Um, because normally when someone ...

[18:43] Speaker 3: Now, Joelle, now, Joelle, I tried to shut it off, but that spirit was so-

[18:47] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[18:48] Speaker 3: ... prevalent. Um, and then I, the, the week later and I, and I said to her, I said, "You see this person every week. Like, I know you see this person every week." She was like, "Joelle, there is no one I see every week that's departed." I said, "This person's in your community, you see them every week." Next week, they go to the grocery store. On the grocery store's door, there was this little in memoriam, um, "Thank you, Suzanne for serving the last 35 years. Rest in peace." You know. And the person emailed me, she says, "You won't believe." (laughs) You won't. She says, "Everything this woman brought as validation, I got it." And she says, "Of course I saw her every week.

[19:25] Speaker 3: She was a cashier at my grocery store, in my community."

[19:28] Speaker 2: Mm.

[19:28] Speaker 3: And I said, "Oh, yes." But it happens often. I'll get a neighbor that departed or I'll get a cousin that departed. But oftentime, those are ... I can, I can identify that they're a faint connection. I can go through the, the list of validations and then usually they'll leave, and they'll allow my light to just go fully to mom, or husband, or whoever needs my light at the moment. Yeah.

[19:48] Speaker 2: Would you say most of your, uh, readings is spent doing validations or doing messages?

[19:55] Speaker 3: Hm.

[19:56] Speaker 2: Or what do you call it?

[19:56] Speaker 3: I'm a message medium, 1,000%.

[19:59] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[19:59] Speaker 3: So I, I'm a very, as you mentioned in the intro, I'm a very analytical person, so I manage my readings always the same.

[20:06] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[20:06] Speaker 3: I'll identify my link, who's here. I have dad, I have mom. Then I'll go through my array of validations, so whatever they give me, but then we spend all of the reading in messages. So we'll spend the first 10 minutes in validations and then in messages. But the vali- the messages bring so much validations as well, right?

[20:21] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[20:21] Speaker 3: Sometimes they'll talk about a leaking pipe. (laughs) There is no way I couldn't know this, right? Or the car that someone's trying to fix that was their car, right? The messages bring tons of validations as well. But no, um, usually, um, yeah, um, my work is immersed in messages, for sure.

[20:37] Speaker 2: Now, did you have any mediumistic tendencies when, like, when you were a child growing up or anything like that? Or is this strictly later on in life that it became-

[20:46] Speaker 3: No. As a child, I had the visits in my bedroom. Uh, not understanding what they were, not understanding who they were. Um, we were not a spiritual family, we were not a religious family.

[20:57] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[20:57] Speaker 3: It was more a hide under the cover and just, like, tell them to get away, tell them to get away. Until one day, they did, finally. Phew. Um, and then life got better for me, because at that point, they were not ... (laughs) it was not pleasant experiences, right?

[21:12] Speaker 2: Right.

[21:12] Speaker 3: But no, they were, they were, um, and some people that could identify from my personal life that had departed.

[21:18] Speaker 2: Do you, um, do you, uh, recognize any of those entities that visited you when you were young? Is it anybody, like, from, you know, deceased relatives or something?

[21:28] Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, deceased relative. Oh, yeah. 1,000%, yeah.

[21:30] Speaker 2: Is that what it was?

[21:31] Speaker 3: Mm, mm-hmm. Oh, yeah.

[21:33] Speaker 2: Okay.

[21:33] Speaker 3: No, I didn't have any, um-

[21:35] Speaker 2: Well, you didn't understand it, so you were scared. And, you know, the opposite of love is fear, actually. You know that?

[21:41] Speaker 3: Yes, yes.

[21:41] Speaker 2: It's, it's-

[21:41] Speaker 3: No. And some of those relatives I didn't get to meet because, um, for example, one of my relative, um, was in a vegetative state when I was born, so I never got to meet them. I only saw them in that state until they transitioned.

[21:55] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[21:55] Speaker 3: And they started visiting me. (laughs) I said, "No, no, no, no."

[21:58] Speaker 2: Oh, okay. That brings up a good point about, you know, when you're in a vegetative state, like, your body's alive but your brain is kaput, you know. What, uh, are, are you, where are ... Like, can you communicate with those type of people?

[22:12] Speaker 3: Yes.

[22:13] Speaker 2: Yes? Okay.

[22:14] Speaker 3: Yeah. So this happens actually quite frequently, at least-

[22:18] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[22:18] Speaker 3: At least once a week. I will get someone that's either in a coma, someone that's in a vegetative state, or, bear with me here, someone who's struggling with memory issues. If I have someone that is advanced in Alzheimer's or dementia-

[22:35] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[22:36] Speaker 3: ... um, they will come to me. And I don't know that ... I, I truly do not know that they're still walking Earth, because the way they talk is as if I'm talking to spirit. It's clear as day, they bring through the validations, they bring through their messages. And I had one, and, um, it's like there's something with their mouth, there's something with a cracked tooth. This is, it's like, "Oh my God, yes, you do. We just got that fixed yesterday." And there's a ... Uh, because th- these, these people are still all in there, but sometimes with, um, certain diseases, you know, you're stuck.

[23:05] Speaker 3: You, you can't communicate-

[23:06] Speaker 2: Right.

[23:06] Speaker 3: ... your message to your loved ones. And so it's, it's a way ... Working through a medium is a way to communicate with your loved one. "No, no, no, I'm still fully in this body, it's just this body's not working for me right now," um, 1,000%. But the consciousness is still fully present. Yeah.

[23:21] Speaker 2: That might be a business to get into.

[23:23] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[23:24] Speaker 2: Wanna, wanna see coma patients and telling their loved ones what's happening, you know? (laughs)

[23:29] Speaker 3: Well, I, I really had a, a, it's, it's a season, it's a big season for me. I, I always call them my seasons, right? You'll get seasons of a lot of people that h- have lost a spouse. Or you'll get a season where-

[23:42] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[23:42] Speaker 3: ... you get a lot of children that have departed. Right now, I have a, I have a big season of people that struggle with, um, memory, um, issues, that are still alive. The person books a reading for someone else, but nonetheless, their relative who struggles with memory issue comes through, clear as day. Um-

[24:00] Speaker 2: Even though they're alive. That is fascinating.

[24:02] Speaker 3: It is. It, it is. In the beginning, I didn't identify it. Now I can identify it. Yeah.

[24:08] Speaker 2: Well, it's all, you know, it- it- it's- it's crazy complex and science is not even close to being able to figure out what's going on here.

[24:17] Speaker 3: No. No.

[24:17] Speaker 2: And-

[24:17] Speaker 3: It is complex. It is complex.

[24:19] Speaker 2: Very complex. I mean, it's beyond us. Maybe with AI, you know, and super computers, they can maybe figure it out scientifically.

[24:28] Speaker 3: Hmm.

[24:28] Speaker 2: But I- I think the way that God designed it is just w- way too advanced. Just way too advanced.

[24:35] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[24:35] Speaker 2: But it's always, you know, it's always good to strive for goals and- and reach goals.

[24:39] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[24:39] Speaker 2: Because I think, you know, (sharp inhale) I think once all of this stuff is proven scientifically, which it will be one day, um-

[24:46] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[24:46] Speaker 2: ... I think there's gonna... It's gonna be a lot easier and better for everybody, you know.

[24:52] Speaker 3: It would be. It would be nice for everybody to have access to this. It- it truly would.

[24:56] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[24:57] Speaker 3: Um-

[24:57] Speaker 2: That's-

[24:57] Speaker 3: ... it would bring a lot of healing. Yeah.

[24:59] Speaker 2: I think so. I think so. Now, do you think that, um, anybody can be trained to be a medium with the right amount-

[25:05] Speaker 3: Hm.

[25:05] Speaker 2: ... of studying? Or do you think you-

[25:07] Speaker 3: The famous question, eh?

[25:08] Speaker 2: Yeah. I- I ask this a lot because it's- it's a great question and-

[25:12] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[25:12] Speaker 2: ... it's nice to get different perspectives. So, what do you think about that? Do you think, uh, people can develop it maybe only to a certain point just like a-

[25:21] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[25:21] Speaker 2: ... you see, I'm- I'm a guitarist and- and I- I love playing guitar for-

[25:25] Speaker 3: Not say. (laughs)

[25:25] Speaker 2: ... for 50 years. And I'm, you know, I, like I say, I'm the world's most okay-est guitarist. And I'm- I'm pretty good, but, you know, there's- there's people that are way better than me.

[25:36] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[25:37] Speaker 2: That are way younger than me. That are, you know, just, they have the ability. Is it the same with mediumship?

[25:43] Speaker 3: I would- I would abide by that. So, I feel like it's a spectrum.

[25:46] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[25:46] Speaker 3: Some mediums, um, like the famous Mavis Pattilla, she believed that you had to be born with the gene. She believed it was DNA. And then some mediums say, "Oh, everyone can be trained to be a medium."

[25:57] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[25:58] Speaker 3: Um, and to an extent, I abide more with the everyone because I do believe we all have this ability. However, will we all be Olympians? I once was in a background chorus for a beautiful singer.

[26:15] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[26:16] Speaker 3: I know how to move my feet, I know how to clap my hands. I have the video.

[26:21] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[26:21] Speaker 3: Everyone goes right, I go left. Everyone goes up-

[26:23] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[26:23] Speaker 3: ... I go right. I know how to move my feet and I know how to clap my hands. Don't get me moving to the music. And so I do believe that's kind of the same for mediumship. Well, yes, a lot of us can attune it and we can... But not everyone will want to dedicate the amount of time it requires to perfect it, um, and to, yeah, deep dive into it. 'Cause I- I feel like y- it's- it's like being a guitarist or being a great singer-

[26:48] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[26:49] Speaker 3: ... or being great at something. You have to dedicate a lot of time to it. And mediumship is no exception to me, anyways.

[26:56] Speaker 2: Hm. Interesting. Yeah, it's, it takes, yeah. I- I totally agree with what you say. Um, y- you gotta, any- any craft-

[27:06] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[27:06] Speaker 2: ... you just gotta work at it to get better at it.

[27:08] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[27:08] Speaker 2: Absolutely. You know? Yep. Um, what are your thoughts on, um, people that crossed over? Like, oh, you know what? Samantha Guthrie's mother, the one that's missing. It's a, it's the biggest news item in the United States, you know, like the- the, you know, she was kidnapped or s- well-

[27:27] Speaker 3: Right.

[27:28] Speaker 2: ... obviously she was kidnapped. Like, I'm surprised there's not any more of like, uh, you know, mediums or maybe you don't hear of it. Maybe there's, you know, mediums volunteering.

[27:40] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[27:40] Speaker 2: But I have a feeling, you know, there's- there's a lot of, uh, really good intuitive mediums with remote viewing capabilities that can probably, you know, help out with the law enforcement to- to find them, you know. I just hope they- they're taken seriously, you know.

[27:55] Speaker 3: Um, it's interesting you bring that up. So, um, anyone who follows me on social will know that back in December, I actually-

[28:03] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[28:03] Speaker 3: ... helped a non-verbal autistic person find their home twice. Um, actually helped their mom find them so that they could get back home twice.

[28:13] Speaker 2: Wow. Okay.

[28:13] Speaker 3: Um, and so no way of communicating. That person did not have a phone, did not have a wallet, did not have anything, and were completely lost. Um, and so my job was to connect with that non-verbal, um, person and, um, just telepathy, like connect that way.

[28:34] Speaker 2: Tele- telepathy, yeah.

[28:35] Speaker 3: Yeah. And so it was a lovely experience, but yes, um, I do believe that our gifts are underused where we can help find, helping find, um, autistic, non-verbal, um, speaking, non-ver- non-verbal people. Or we can help in some of those cases, right? Not all of us, uh, will wanna work on- on, um, those more, um, sensitive cases, though.

[28:58] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

[28:59] Speaker 3: Uh, it, it's just like anything, right? Some of us will have a niche and some won't. And, um, but, yes, um, I feel like the abilities that come with mediumship and that come with intuition-

[29:11] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[29:11] Speaker 3: ... are definitely underused. Like, there's a lot more use to these- (laughs)

[29:16] Speaker 2: Well, it's because-

[29:17] Speaker 3: ... d- these senses than-

[29:17] Speaker 2: ... it's- it's poo-pooed, that's why. The- the scientific-

[29:20] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[29:20] Speaker 2: ... community, uh, doesn't, you know, wanna give it money and it's just the way that it is. But, you know, there's- there's a couple of things, you know. I'm- I'm sure you've dived into the study of quantum physics and-

[29:32] Speaker 3: Hmm.

[29:33] Speaker 2: ... and it, quantum physics and mediumship, like, they're- they're converging.

[29:37] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[29:38] Speaker 2: They're- they're- they're getting close together with everything, you know. These super computers that have come out, uh, are talking about, you know, uh, they're talking about AGI right now, with, the- the thing is AI, but now they're gonna move it to AGI which is artificial general intelligence.

[29:55] Speaker 3: Okay.

[29:55] Speaker 2: That means that the computer, your basic computer, is smarter than all of everything, all of the knowledge of all of human combined since the beginning of time is, you know-In this one computer. That means it starts having dominion over us. It's smarter than we are.

[30:16] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[30:16] Speaker 2: So, you know, the movie, like The Terminator, stuff like that, scary.

[30:19] Speaker 3: Right.

[30:19] Speaker 2: It's scary stuff.

[30:20] Speaker 3: Hmm.

[30:21] Speaker 2: You know?

[30:21] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[30:21] Speaker 2: Does, does, um, do you have any, um... I, I, I know you have the, the mediumship abilities, but, uh, um, do you also dabble into the psychic part of it, the other, uh, the other part of that?

[30:33] Speaker 3: Right. Yes, but that came way later. I was only a medium. I was a terrible-

[30:38] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[30:38] Speaker 3: ... intuitive-

[30:39] Speaker 2: Okay.

[30:39] Speaker 3: ... until later in my journey, where now I do believe that both of my abilities are absolutely the same. Um, I used to be solely, like I feel like, um, Spirit wanted me to ful- only focus on mediumship, only develop mediumship, only focus on mediumship.

[30:55] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[30:55] Speaker 3: And there's this joke where, um, I, I took a mentorship class and we had to practice reading each other, uh, um, as mediums.

[31:04] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[31:05] Speaker 3: But before, she would have us do an intuitive exercise, and we had to figure out how was the day of the person sitting in front of us. And so you'd have to intuitively connect to the person in front of us and say like, "Oh, your day was great." And so all I could see was this person sitting down with a book and enjoying a nice meal, and I was like, "Wow, what a cozy day. Like, you had such a great day."

[31:23] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[31:23] Speaker 3: "I, I see a book, and I see you enjoying your meal, really in silence." She's a stay-at-home mom of nine children.

[31:31] Speaker 2: Cool.

[31:31] Speaker 3: I could not have been further off. (laughs)

[31:34] Speaker 2: Right, right.

[31:34] Speaker 3: So intuition was terrible. My mediumship was great. My intuition was terrible. Now I- now I-

[31:39] Speaker 2: So how did you develop that? How, how did that develop? How did you get better at that?

[31:44] Speaker 3: Uh, honestly, I, I, it just, one day, it kind of pinged. I, it's this thing with me. One day, things kind of click together, and I'm like, "Oh, wait a minute. This is my intuition," right? But as you might know from, from doing this, it's like, um, it's like a radio. It's really like a radio. One frequency is medium and one frequency is in- intuitive, and they're so separate, right?

[32:05] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[32:06] Speaker 3: Um, that I, I, I had that one channel really tuned in, but I wasn't tuned in the, the other channel.

[32:13] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[32:13] Speaker 3: And so, um, I could only talk to passed loved ones.

[32:17] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

[32:17] Speaker 3: Now I can talk to, and I keep it, uh, always keep them separate. For ethical reasons, I always keep them separate.

[32:23] Speaker 2: Oh, okay. So, wh- er, when you book a reading it's, it's either for a reading or an intuitive.

[32:27] Speaker 3: Oh, it's either or. Oh, 1000%.

[32:28] Speaker 2: Mediumship or intuitive.

[32:30] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[32:30] Speaker 2: Gotcha, gotcha.

[32:32] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[32:33] Speaker 2: Yeah. It's too bad, like the, the intuition isn't precise enough to give lottery ticket numbers for the... (laughs)

[32:40] Speaker 3: (laughs) Roman-

[32:40] Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be great?

[32:40] Speaker 3: ... I once dreamt of lottery ticket numbers-

[32:43] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[32:43] Speaker 3: ... as a medium. So I was like, "That's it. That's it. I'm a medium, I dreamt of lottery ticket numbers. I am winning." I did not win. (laughs)

[32:52] Speaker 2: No, you-

[32:52] Speaker 3: Of course not.

[32:53] Speaker 2: If you were meant to win, then you would have won.

[32:56] Speaker 3: Yes, yes.

[32:56] Speaker 2: ... if it was meant to be, right?

[32:57] Speaker 3: Yes, yes. Well, yeah.

[32:59] Speaker 2: I know. I'll, I'll, I'll, uh, I'll spend like, you know, five dollars w- w- w- once, you know, one of the, the mega millions or whatever, if it reaches a billion dollars, yeah, I'll put in five bucks just for the hell of it, just that, you know-

[33:11] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[33:11] Speaker 2: ... to be part of the excitement. Not at all expecting to, to win, but just imagine, you know? It's crazy.

[33:17] Speaker 3: I know, I know.

[33:19] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[33:20] Speaker 3: I know.

[33:20] Speaker 2: Yeah. And, you know, do, do you notice that, um... Uh, I- You probably have a wide range of clientele, different ages, that kinda thing. And with loved ones that have crossed over f- that are, you know, have crossed over recently or have crossed over 20 years ago.

[33:39] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[33:39] Speaker 2: Do you find a difference in the ability to communicate with those that have crossed over a long time ago than those have crossed over recently? Is there a-

[33:52] Speaker 3: 1000%, yes.

[33:54] Speaker 2: Really?

[33:54] Speaker 3: And when... I will always be very, um... I have a lot of integrity in my readings, so oftentime I'll be able to tell how long they've been departed just by the way they communicate. So I always tell people, "They're not telling me they've been departed three years. I just sense that they've been dep- departing around that time for, just from the s- sheer fact of how they communicate." Um, so I always, um, I feel like, and it is true, that for some spirit, they can communicate the day they depart. I, I do agree with that. But that's not most spirit. I feel like most spirit, there's a whole transition thing, especially if they were not spiritual or not religious down here. There's a whole learning curve about the other side and being energy and, you know, setting up a prayer, an intention, whatever, right? Communicating without physical words is a whole learning experience.

[34:42] Speaker 3: And so some of them do have to go through that learning, and so I always, um, three months and then six months, you, you see a change, but then a year. Usually a year is, like, crystal clear. Um, and then when I get someone that's been departed, like, for at least two decades, they come to me and it's as if, like, they need to, like, brush off their dust a bit. Like, uh, they're, they're like a little hibernating there, and I'm like, "Oh, boy.

[35:06] Speaker 3: Okay, this person has been there a long time."

[35:08] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[35:08] Speaker 3: I, I can just tell from the way they come to me. It's a cute thing. It's, I find it very endearing. (laughs)

[35:14] Speaker 2: Well, do you, uh, um... W- when you do readings, is it mostly in person, by phone, Zoom?

[35:21] Speaker 3: No, it's all virtual. Yes.

[35:23] Speaker 2: It's all virtual. Okay.

[35:24] Speaker 3: Yes, yes.

[35:25] Speaker 2: So-

[35:25] Speaker 3: I partake too, in person, when there's events like the Forever Family gr- Foundation Graveyard Reader.

[35:30] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

[35:30] Speaker 3: Um, but other than that, it's all, my, my work's all virtual. Yes.

[35:34] Speaker 2: Now, when you... Do you do group readings as well?

[35:37] Speaker 3: Yeah, I do do group readings as well. Yes.

[35:39] Speaker 2: That must be a little tougher because all these spirits-

[35:42] Speaker 3: It is.

[35:42] Speaker 2: ... trying to come in and ordering-

[35:44] Speaker 3: You gotta organize them. (laughs)

[35:45] Speaker 2: Organize them, that kind of thing.

[35:47] Speaker 3: Yes. Yes.

[35:47] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's, uh, that's, that's a consistent, you know, consistent answer. Uh, I've-

[35:53] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[35:53] Speaker 2: ... I've asked that like a million times, and it's always the same. So why do I keep asking that? I don't know. (laughs) So...

[35:59] Speaker 3: Well, you know, maybe someone will be different one day. But yes-

[36:01] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[36:02] Speaker 3: ... group readings are definitely more intense.

[36:04] Speaker 2: Is there an ideal sitter for you, or an ideal, um, setting, mood set kind of thing for a-

[36:11] Speaker 3: Hm...

[36:11] Speaker 2: ... for a good sitting?

[36:12] Speaker 3: That's interesting. An open heart, I think. Um...

[36:17] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[36:18] Speaker 3: 'Cause I have such compassion for them, I have so much love for them, um, that I feel like when someone reciprocates that towards me, I get to serve them better. Um, rarely, rarely, rarely do I have someone who's, like, closed off to the experience. But it, it has happened in the past where someone, um, was there, let's say, because it was a gift, someone bought them a, a reading. But on their own personal journey, they might not have been ready to receive a reading.

[36:50] Speaker 3: Um, and that's always-

[36:53] Speaker 2: Does it make, does it make it difficult to, to communicate if they're really closed off like that?

[36:56] Speaker 3: Yeah. It definitely, it definitely makes it a lot more difficult, 1,000%. It makes it difficult if the, the sitter is, um, yeah, not ready to receive, which I, I, I totally understand, and if... It's not their part of their journey. If they're not ready on their journey, but, you know, their friend said that it would really help them if they saw a medium. But, like, personally, they were like, "Give me more time, give me more time," but they still nonetheless showed up. Yeah, sometimes I do, I do feel like, um...

[37:26] Speaker 2: Is it, is it harder to communicate to them because of the state they're in, or does the state they're in make it more difficult for those that have, that have crossed over to communicate with you?

[37:38] Speaker 3: I think it's, it's the people that are, that are crossed over.

[37:41] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[37:42] Speaker 3: They can sense our hearts, too, and they're like, "Do... Does, does the person really want to talk to me today, or should I hold back a little and shall we wait a little bit more?" Right? Um, I do have that sense, um, that sometimes, on the other side, too, they're, they're mindful of our emotional state, and they'll be like, "Oh, wait a minute over here." Right? But when I have someone who is in very active grief, and they, they truly do want to communicate with their passed loved one, oh, usually that, then there's no issue. It doesn't matter where you are in your season of grief. It matters more, um, the openness to the experience. Yeah.

[38:14] Speaker 2: Right.

[38:15] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[38:15] Speaker 2: Now, I'm, um, my religion, I'm Catholic, and, uh, as are many French Canadians. And, um, I, I, I had a conversation with my priest, actually, about this whole mediumship thing. This, this happened many, many years ago. Um, and he, he brought up a question that, you know, h- Yeah, you know, y- you're definitely receiving messages, you know, these mediums that, or whatever, are definitely receiving messages. But how do you know that the messages are true? How do you know it's not the devil in disguise, you know? Because the devil is, he's, he's the, he's the prince of lies, right?

[38:52] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[38:52] Speaker 2: So, um, how do you know, like... It, it just leads maybe more to a, like, I guess a more general question would be, like, might spirits impersonate, uh, somebody else?

[39:05] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[39:05] Speaker 2: And, and, and tell lies in spirit? Like, they're in spirit already, like...

[39:09] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[39:10] Speaker 2: Do you ever get deceitful spirits?

[39:13] Speaker 3: Okay. No, but there's so many things to say there. First of all, I appreciate your priest. However, I also sometimes find it, um, ******, um, bold that priests will claim to be channeling either Jesus or the Gospel of God, but then a white woman couldn't, couldn't channel your mom? (laughs) What? You know, sometimes I find-

[39:39] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[39:40] Speaker 3: ... that they come to me a bit strange there. I do want to mention this.

[39:43] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[39:43] Speaker 3: Nothing against religion, though, because I d- I, I was, um... My, my family, um, half of my family was brought up, uh, religious.

[39:51] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[39:51] Speaker 3: And I found there was beautiful priests and I found there was beautiful work being done out there.

[39:54] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

[39:55] Speaker 3: But I also find it sometimes strange that a priest will say, "Oh, I prayed to God this morning, and this is what He told me, but that I cannot pray to your mom, and this is what she told me 'cause now, all of a sudden..." How do you know it's God and not the devil, you know? So, sometimes I find it, I find it interesting.

[40:11] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[40:11] Speaker 3: On the, on, on the flip side, um, no, I usually set a very straight intention. I will usually... Um, there are different levels. I don't, I don't play with entities. I don't play with paranormal stuff. I don't play, I don't play with different channels. I play with the past life one channel, and I play with the angels and guides channel. I'm very clear in my, um, connection. And then, sometimes, the only deceitful you will get is that sometimes I will get, um, someone who's not necessarily true about who they, who they were. Like, they'll, they'll make themselves look a lot nicer, but then they'll usually, for me, they'll hold a little baggage in their hands. And that's how I'll know. I'll be like, "Oh, okay. This person's making it sound like they're re- they were really kind, but I think there's something hiding in a baggage, an old emotional baggage." And then I'll get to understand that, um, they struggle with alcoholism and they weren't always the nicest way, right? Or...

[41:10] Speaker 3: So, that's the only way, quote, unquote, "I'll get deceitful," is that sometimes they'll project being a certain way, but then, you know, a few minutes into their reading, I'll be like, "Oh, wait a minute." (laughs) "I'm getting more of the truth is coming out of that little baggage over here." That's the only way I would, I would get that. Um, but no, don't...

[41:27] Speaker 2: The lesson is-

[41:29] Speaker 3: Don't worry. Don't worry.

[41:29] Speaker 2: ... spirit, you can't really hide. Like, you-

[41:32] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[41:33] Speaker 2: Really, I mean... And I wouldn't see the need to hide anything when-

[41:38] Speaker 3: Yeah, no.

[41:38] Speaker 2: ... when you're in spirit.

[41:39] Speaker 3: Because it's most healing to see the truth. It's the most healing thing, yeah.

[41:44] Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.

[41:45] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[41:46] Speaker 2: Um, so... A lot of books that I have read tell us that, um, there's no actual pain at the time of death.

[41:55] Speaker 3: Hmm. Mm-hmm.

[41:56] Speaker 2: Right? Um, that our spirit is, like, whisked away right before the final blow. Let's say you're in a car crash. Right before impact, your spirit's gone.

[42:07] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[42:07] Speaker 2: It's out of the body. There's no pain. What do you think about that?

[42:10] Speaker 3: It's interesting. It's something I learned in my mediumship, too, where...Yes, I do feel like sometimes they, they, um, hover over their body, like let's say they'll watch the- the- the car accident or something. But sometimes they will still be in their body, um, going through all of those final breaths and everything. But when I talk to them, they have no, no pain, no feeling. That doesn't tra-... that does not transfer over because, um, oftentime I'll, I'll have a mom and she's like, "Was he in pain? Was he okay?" And he's like, "I, I did not feel a thing. I cannot recall a thing. I don't...

[42:41] Speaker 3: have no idea about any pain I would have carried."

[42:44] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[42:44] Speaker 3: They do remember what their body went through. They can, they can acknowledge a car accident or something very traumatic in a hospital, but they can acknowledge the scene, but there is no pain attachment. It's a bit, um, comforting, too, as a medium, because it's like, "Oh, okay, cool. Then the transition will be smooth." (laughs)

[43:04] Speaker 2: Now as a medium, are you able to conjure up, like, historical figures? Can you have a conversation with George Washington, for example?

[43:15] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. Okay. I assume a lot of mediums can.

[43:18] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[43:18] Speaker 3: Those are not my boundaries. My boundaries, and I... is I will only connect to people that are, um, for the person I'm serving, right? So, even on my personal journey, I don't just go up and start channeling George Washington, or, you know, like-

[43:35] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[43:35] Speaker 3: ... Elvis Presley. I don't. That's not part of my... those are not the frequencies I ch- I channel (laughs) and so-

[43:41] Speaker 2: Right.

[43:42] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[43:42] Speaker 2: But would you feel like it would be kind of like, uh, abusing your gift maybe to do stuff-

[43:49] Speaker 3: Hmm.

[43:49] Speaker 2: ... like that? Is that why you don't do that? Or is it just something that you're not interested in? Or do you think it, it might take away from your ability to, to be good at what you're doing in, in your specific channel?

[44:02] Speaker 3: Right. Um, to be quite frank with you, Roman, Roman, and I'll be frank, it is simply for-

[44:10] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[44:10] Speaker 3: ... the sheer fact that I don't like playing around with different entities. I truly don't.

[44:15] Speaker 2: Okay.

[44:16] Speaker 3: Um, uh, as a child, I did not have a ple- pleasant time.

[44:20] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[44:20] Speaker 3: And so as an adult, I, I know I am comfortable, I feel loved, and I feel like I'm able to give love with past loved ones (laughs) and with, um, um, angels and guides, and I'll stay there. I won't start playing around. I won't start fooling in paranormal investigations. I won't. I just won't. Those are my... I, I feel comfortable there. I'll stay there. (laughs)

[44:45] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. Well, that's good.

[44:47] Speaker 3: And-

[44:47] Speaker 2: I think that's a... I think that's a, a good answer. And, um, now I'm just wondering if, you know, any other of the mediums that I, um, you know, I've had conversations with many, and like if you're a history buff, like y wouldn't you take advantage of that, you know?

[45:02] Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

[45:03] Speaker 2: It's... I guess it's a preference, right? Like i- if you love history enough to, to go there, then you'll go there, right?

[45:09] Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.

[45:10] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[45:10] Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.

[45:10] Speaker 2: Of course, yeah.

[45:11] Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of people, um, online that you can see that claim to channel Wayne Dyer and then to channel Jesus and to channel... but, but that's perfectly fine. That's just not my cup of tea at all. (laughs)

[45:23] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.

[45:24] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[45:24] Speaker 2: Do you ever get clients that, you know, when they walk in, they're, they're kind of like really scared, for lack of a better word?

[45:31] Speaker 3: Yeah. Nervous.

[45:32] Speaker 2: Nervous, scared.

[45:33] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[45:33] Speaker 2: So how do you... w- what do you do to, to calm them down or what...

[45:37] Speaker 3: Well... Oh, this is interesting. As we talk, there's a light that just flashed behind you. (laughs) That's so...

[45:43] Speaker 2: Really?

[45:44] Speaker 3: That's funny. Okay, yeah. It kind of...

[45:45] Speaker 2: Well, my son, my son has been in spirit for about 15 years. He passed away-

[45:50] Speaker 3: Aww.

[45:50] Speaker 2: ... he was five. That's what got me into this whole thing.

[45:53] Speaker 3: Oh, I figured there was a reason behind all of this. Oh, beautiful soul.

[45:57] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[45:57] Speaker 3: Does he play with lights for you or...

[45:59] Speaker 2: He's done... uh, he hasn't done, uh, anything in a long time, um, but when he crossed over, there was, there was a lot of activity. Yeah.

[46:07] Speaker 3: Hmm.

[46:08] Speaker 2: Even showed up in a picture posthumously. Like he-

[46:11] Speaker 3: (gasps)

[46:11] Speaker 2: ... he showed up in a photograph. I- it's kind of cool.

[46:15] Speaker 3: Is it... I've had... oh, all of my, all of my clients, I've had that reported to me once too.

[46:20] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[46:20] Speaker 3: A set of parents showed up in a photograph and the person sent me the photo. It was... it's wild. This is so cool.

[46:26] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's, uh-

[46:28] Speaker 3: Lovely. Look at him go.

[46:28] Speaker 2: It was a, a really, um, really cool picture of, uh... I don't know if I could show it up on the screen. Um, let me just, let me just find the album, but, uh, there was a picture where I took with my family, uh, um, just arm in arm locked with, with, with people.

[46:48] Speaker 3: (laughs) Yeah.

[46:49] Speaker 2: And this is... I'll, I'll put it up to the camera. That's the picture. And you can see on my heart, there's an orb.

[46:57] Speaker 3: Yes.

[46:57] Speaker 2: Right on my heart. I, I was a lot heavier then. But there's an orb. This is three months after he crossed over. And then-

[47:04] Speaker 3: Wow.

[47:04] Speaker 2: ... we did a blow up of the orb and, um-

[47:09] Speaker 3: And it was a face?

[47:11] Speaker 2: Well, it, it, it's a face with angel wings pretty much, uh, it's-

[47:16] Speaker 3: Oh. It's almost impossible to see on this computer.

[47:17] Speaker 2: Yeah. It's, it's unfortunately-

[47:20] Speaker 3: Oh.

[47:21] Speaker 2: Mm. Let me, let me see if I can-

[47:22] Speaker 3: Oh, Roman, that's a magical story.

[47:25] Speaker 2: Yeah. It's kind of, kind of cool. Here. There... okay. I think I, I'll blow it up as much as I could, and I'll pull it back-

[47:36] Speaker 3: Hmm.

[47:36] Speaker 2: ... maybe or right up to the camera.

[47:41] Speaker 3: Oh, no, we can't. It's, it's, it's-

[47:42] Speaker 2: Well, you, you can see, you can see like... you can see the eyes. See the eyes on top?

[47:46] Speaker 3: Yes, yes.

[47:48] Speaker 2: And along the sides, that's the wings or whatever.

[47:51] Speaker 3: Oh.

[47:51] Speaker 2: But that's... I, I wish it was, um-

[47:55] Speaker 3: Yeah, it's thick and clear-

[47:55] Speaker 2: I wi- I wi- I wish it came out better.

[47:56] Speaker 3: ... with the computer.

[47:57] Speaker 2: It's not meant to be. (laughs)

[47:59] Speaker 3: Oh.

[47:59] Speaker 2: But anyways, it's, uh... on, on my phone, it's, it's clear. It's, uh, his face with angel wings.

[48:05] Speaker 3: Oh.

[48:05] Speaker 2: There. Isn't that cool?

[48:07] Speaker 3: What a beautiful... Yeah, it's really cool.

[48:09] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[48:09] Speaker 3: This is interesting what you're recalling, Roman. Um, a lot of people do mention that in the beginning they'll get a lot of signs or a lot of interaction, and then eventually, not that it quiets down, but it's-

[48:20] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[48:20] Speaker 3: ... it's more sparse. Um-Why do you feel that is?

[48:27] Speaker 2: I- I- I-

[48:29] Speaker 3: I have my own opinion, but yeah, I want to hear yours.

[48:31] Speaker 2: I- I think it's because I- I don't need it as much.

[48:35] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[48:36] Speaker 2: That's- that's, you know, that's what I've learned and that's what I've been told and, you know. And- and it's fine. I mean, we- we all move on and, you know, I've had other kids after that and, uh, you know, quite busy, you know.

[48:50] Speaker 3: It is.

[48:50] Speaker 2: Just, uh, getting old to have kids. Like my- my youngest is 12, and-

[48:54] Speaker 3: Okay.

[48:54] Speaker 2: ... I'm kind of... You know, I'm- I'm gonna be 60 in one month from- from today.

[48:59] Speaker 3: Wow, look at you go.

[49:01] Speaker 2: (laughs) So yeah, it's- it- it's takes quite a lot of energy.

[49:05] Speaker 3: It does, it does.

[49:06] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[49:07] Speaker 3: You do. You do.

[49:07] Speaker 2: But it keeps you young, I guess, you know.

[49:09] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[49:09] Speaker 2: So, what advice, like... Let's say somebody's trying to- to learn about mediumship and stuff like that and wants to become a medium or to see if they even have it in them.

[49:20] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[49:21] Speaker 2: Where would you have them start? What- what- what would be-

[49:23] Speaker 3: Well, first they have it in them.

[49:24] Speaker 2: ... your advice?

[49:24] Speaker 3: But then when do we start?

[49:26] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[49:26] Speaker 3: You gotta- you gotta quiet the noise, you gotta...

[49:30] Speaker 2: Yes.

[49:30] Speaker 3: Like I was saying in the beginning, you know, I- I go through therapy e- like every second week because you gotta co- you gotta- you gotta get the garbage out, you know. If you're cluttered within, your- the connection's going to be cluttered. So you gotta clean as much as possible. Maybe your emotions, maybe however it is, your anxiety, where- wherever it is, you just- there's so much noise, you gotta clear the noise because if you're in the noise, you can't hear the subtil- it's so subtile.

[49:58] Speaker 3: And a lot of people e- expect like big words in your ears and big images-

[50:04] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[50:04] Speaker 3: ... in your eyes and they are in all of the s- those subtilities. And so you gotta- everything's gotta be quiet for you to be able to pick up on those. And in order to quiet everything, you gotta sit with yourself and you gotta- you gotta do the work.

[50:17] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[50:17] Speaker 3: You gotta do the work. You meditate and...

[50:18] Speaker 2: Absolutely.

[50:19] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[50:19] Speaker 2: And, uh, I- I think there's a lot of doubt at first too, the self-doubt, you gotta...

[50:23] Speaker 3: Oh, yes, "Did I just make this up?" But then you just... My- my way to kind of hack this is, um, I say, "Okay, if I- if I- if I didn't make this up, send me a sign of a lemon, send me a sign of this, send me a sign, send me a proof that I did not make this up, or tell me something that's going to happen in two days from now so that I know, okay, yes, it was them." Like for me, they would tell me, "Okay, you're getting, um, a mail in the, um, a letter in the mail. You won't like that letter." Okay, got it. I'm gonna get a letter in the mail. Same day I get a letter in the mail that I did not like, right? But yeah, um, 1,000 % I- I- I challenge them.

[51:01] Speaker 3: I say, "Okay, if this was you, prove it."

[51:04] Speaker 2: That's your corporate analytical world being-

[51:07] Speaker 3: Yes. (laughs)

[51:08] Speaker 2: ... coming into play.

[51:08] Speaker 3: But it serves me well.

[51:10] Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. Absolutely. So, um, tell us a bit about, um, you know, we're- we're actually getting to the end of the show.

[51:18] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[51:18] Speaker 2: So tell us a bit about your, um, uh, your practice and how you book clients and where people can- where people can, uh, uh, get a hold of you and stuff like that, you know.

[51:29] Speaker 3: Do we have a little visitor?

[51:30] Speaker 2: Yeah, we do. Come here. This is my son.

[51:33] Speaker 3: Aww.

[51:33] Speaker 2: This is- this is Roman Junior.

[51:35] Speaker 3: Hi, Roman Junior.

[51:36] Speaker 2: He just got back from skiing. Good to see you, buddy.

[51:39] Speaker 3: Oh, you skied? Cool.

[51:41] Speaker 2: Yeah. (laughs)

[51:42] Speaker 3: Oh.

[51:42] Speaker 2: Your phone's upstairs plugged in. Yeah.

[51:46] Speaker 3: Look at him go. I love that.

[51:47] Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah, he's- he's, uh, he's excited. He got his new- his new iPhone came in today, so, ooh.

[51:54] Speaker 3: Oh, that's exciting.

[51:56] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[51:56] Speaker 3: I know.

[51:57] Speaker 2: He's got a-

[51:58] Speaker 3: What a big day.

[51:59] Speaker 2: We gotta figure out how to, you know, do all the parental controls now and all that-

[52:03] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[52:03] Speaker 2: ... kind of stuff. So...

[52:04] Speaker 3: Yes, you do.

[52:05] Speaker 2: Welcome to my life, huh? He's the last one. He's- he's the youngest.

[52:09] Speaker 3: I'm not there yet, but yes, I feel like those are-

[52:11] Speaker 2: So-

[52:11] Speaker 3: ... very important. But yes for people who might need-

[52:12] Speaker 2: What were you saying about your business?

[52:14] Speaker 3: Um, it's super easy. All of my socials is- are the same as my website, which is spirituelle.ca. So Spirit U-E-L-L-E, just like Joelle.

[52:26] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[52:27] Speaker 3: So Spirit and Joelle bundled into one .ca. That's my Instagram handle, that's my website, that's where everything is. Um, and then I- I can al- my email's on there as well, Joelle@spirituelle, like everything is on there. Um, and I'm always happy to be of service, always happy to be of service.

[52:44] Speaker 2: S- oh, yeah, this was an awesome interview. I mean, you, uh-

[52:48] Speaker 3: Thank you.

[52:49] Speaker 2: ... you're- you obviously know what you're talking about and you're- you seem like a very kind person and-

[52:54] Speaker 3: Woo!

[52:54] Speaker 2: ... I hope you've, you know... Wish you all the success and I- I cannot wait to interview you again back on the show and, uh, I'm just asking, you know, if, uh... Yeah, I mean, this is the first time that you're on my show, but you were on the show-

[53:08] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[53:08] Speaker 2: ... before, right? With- with Joe.

[53:10] Speaker 3: I've been- I've been once with Joe on this show where we do bag readings.

[53:14] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[53:15] Speaker 3: Yes. But I'm going back next month with Joe.

[53:17] Speaker 2: And you're going back next month?

[53:19] Speaker 3: Yes. Yes.

[53:19] Speaker 2: Okay. So please everybody tune into that and you can-

[53:23] Speaker 3: Yes.

[53:23] Speaker 2: ... you can see, uh, see Joelle at work, uh, and it- it... I'm sure you're gonna be amazed. Very good. Well, thank you so much again.

[53:32] Speaker 3: Thank you, Roman.

[53:33] Speaker 2: And we really appreciate it.

[53:35] Speaker 3: Merci beaucoup.

[53:35] Speaker 2: Merci beaucoup a la prochaine. Uh, s- c'etait un plaisir de- de-

[53:39] Speaker 3: C'etait un plaisir, oui.

[53:40] Speaker 2: ... parler avec vous en Francais un petit peu. I'm a little rusty here. It's- it's not coming through as naturally as it used to be.

[53:46] Speaker 3: No, you're great. Your French is great.

[53:47] Speaker 2: Well, thank you very much and I'll be back next month and everybody stay warm and we'll see you all soon. Thank you very much. Night, everybody.

[53:56] Speaker 3: Bye.

[53:57] Speaker 2: Bye-bye. (instrumental music plays)