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Speaker 1
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02:25

Speaker 1
And now, what in the world are we gonna be talking about today? Uh, we've, uh, uh, you know, I don't know if there's an update on the White House Correspondents' Dinner, and I had this up there, uh, just in case we were gonna have, um, uh, Rich Gierepoli from the Secret Service. So, uh, but I haven't heard anything. We've also got former Minnesota trooper. He drops a bombshell. He claims that DHS, Department of Homeland Security, they pressured him to hide fraud, and, uh, and the unit ended up being disbanded. Now, well, this is, this is DHS on the Minnesota side. You'll, you'll hear more about that in a second. Then we got school officer stops an armed teenager before he enters a building. It's still happening, guys. We got to be on our A game. Louisiana sheriff charged after a toilet jailbreak lets 10 inmates escape in a lockup fiasco. And when I say charged, I'm not talking about just civilly. I'm talking criminally.

03:13

Speaker 1
Uh, we got police tasered, a- (laughs) and let me go back to that story. That Louisiana sheriff, that was like, that was, that was some- one of these people that, that, um, what do you call them, Travis? They check on, uh, they, they check law enforcement. They, uh, they're not a agitator, but one of these, um-

03:29

Speaker 2
Auditor?

03:30

Speaker 1
Yeah, a monitor, thank you. A moni- they, they elect a monitor (laughs) as the sheriff in Louisiana. What could go wrong? Now, she, it was a f- a black female. Now, now, she's, uh, now she's gonna be in world of hurt and, uh, and probably going to jail. Wow, uh, I can't wait to talk about that. Police tasered and arrest a terror suspect after two Jewish men end up being stabbed. This is in Britain. And this is how you fight bad guys with weapons when you don't have any. Uh, and then a man armed with a box cutter fatally shot by Bradley police officers. Four Georgia State Troopers are fired over improper injury claims linked to police pursuits. And then Baltimore PD releases a body cam, uh, of, of a shooting of a 35-year-old guy. A- and we have some other stuff a- as time permits. Beekeeper, oh, that's right, the beekeeper from hell. Massachusetts, (laughs) this is how they roll in Massachusetts. I want to go there on vacation.

04:19

Speaker 1
Massachusetts woman convicted for unleashing a swarm of bees. She was a beekeeper, and, uh, she, uh, she wasn't even inv- even involved with what the cops were doing. She just wanted to protect people from getting evicted or something. She shows up with bees and starts breaking boxes, agitates the bees. And then we've got cops that are allergic to bee stings. What could go wrong? I mean, it, it, it's an amazing a- amount of stories that we have today. So, um, let me just cover, any- anything new from the White House Correspondents' Dinner shooting? I- I haven't heard anything. If you, unless you guys are aware of something, we will, we'll skip over that then, and we'll... Oh, Chief Schultz?

04:52

Speaker 3
Well, I just, uh, and I don't know how long ago this was released. Uh, we were b- glad to hear that the, uh, Secret Service agent that was, that was, uh, shot was not shot. Uh, it was not a blue-on-blue apparently. Um, I've heard some criticism-

05:08

Speaker 1
Oh, it's not? You're saying it was not?

05:09

Speaker 3
Uh, that, that's the last I understood, that, that it was not a blue-on-blue.

05:13

Speaker 2
Yeah, there was one cartridge fire from a suspect's shotgun.

05:17

Speaker 1
All right, wow. So yeah, I had, uh... They had kind of backed off the story, so yeah, I, so I had even said on the show, I, I, I, I, I kind of suspected it was a, uh, a friendly fire thing. But okay, that's interesting to know.

05:27

Speaker 3
And, and now, we're on the, on the back side where it's, um, you know, the, the, the heroism stories are going down, and the why-did-they-screw-up-so-bad stories are going up. And, um, I l- I love these guys. In fact, on LinkedIn, I saw an article where somebody was, said, "Oh, I, I see the freeze-frame of a female officer that had, uh, her gun this way, but her eyes were this way. And you're always supposed to look where you're shooting." And I'm like, "Come on." And, uh, you know, the, the, the officer that got passed by, you know, in that four-second flash.

06:00

Speaker 1
... you know, what, you know, why, why, and why were they breaking down so early? That, you know, that's a good question. Uh, so the, so the critiques coming out, and now the congressmen are whining, "Well, we don't get protection." So there are only certain numbers of people who got shuffled out by Secret Service and whatever other s- constellation of agents were there, uh, and some of these just regular old congressman didn't get anybody shuttling them out, and they were like, "No, you know, we, we need some protection too." And, and that may, that may be true. Everybody gets a quarter million dollars, uh, annual budget for their own, uh, decisions about how, what kind of security they're gonna, they're gonna have.

06:37

Speaker 1
But, uh, y- you know, in, in, in the middle of the shutdown of funding, uh, for (laughs) these law enforcement agencies under the umbrella of, uh, Department of Homeland Security, they're, they're whining that they didn't get their own security, and it's just, uh, the irony is painful.

06:53

Speaker 4
Well, Chip, can we talk a little bit about the elephant in the room just slightly on this story?

06:57

Speaker 1
Let's do it.

07:00

Speaker 4
I think, uh, without trying to Monday morning quarterback like everybody else seems to be doing so easily, there's been three specific attempts on President Trump's life in the last two years, many more that we don't even know about thr- at a threat level. You know, taking that data in mind, there's gonna be three or four more between now and the end of his term. I think it's safe to say the Secret Service, uh, is using a Joe Biden type security profile against a president that's, that's had s- 1,000X more threats on his life than any other president in history. It's probably time before you conduct an event at a hotel, don't just pull the old playbook out for the former president and just put people in place.

07:48

Speaker 4
We oughta be thinking about things differently, and I, I have real concern, uh, because, I mean, in my lifetime, except for Ronald Reagan-

07:58

Speaker 1
Reagan.

07:59

Speaker 4
... I don't know of no stories like this, and this is happening on a regular occurrence now, and they've get, they've gotten close to him. They've fired shots at him. They've shot him. They've, I mean, it's really insane how normal we're treating this. And I do find it ironic that when you look at the gunman's manifesto, and I wouldn't quite call it a manifesto, but the verbiage he used is straight from an MSNBC news report.

08:25

Speaker 4
And so I wonder how those reporters feel in the room as they were hiding underneath tables-

08:31

Speaker 1
(laughs)

08:31

Speaker 4
... of their, their culpability in this. I mean, it is, and of course, they're not stopping, you know. The very next day, we started calling the Supreme Court justices extremists. You know, this language is not stopping. No one's holding them accountable, and quite frankly, you've seen the rhetoric of, "How can we keep missing?" And there would be a celebration if they killed an American president, and I, I can't even undermine the disgustness of it, r- regardless of your view on politics. Is that where we've gone in America? And I, and I guess I'm concerned about the rest of his term, but if they treat him after his term the way they treated him after his last term, he'll be dead in four, in four years. There's no question in my mind they will kill him because the people that are doing this believe they're gonna be a hero from one political aisle, and it's hard to not say that. We've made the assassin of the United Healthcare CEO a hero, not we, but a political element has.

09:28

Speaker 1
I agree. Mm-hmm.

09:29

Speaker 4
They have praised people that killed Charlie Kirk. I mean, that's what people think. They're regurgitating what the media's saying because what do you do to a Nazi? Well, you gotta kill a Nazi, right? What do you do to a fascist? Well, you gotta kill a fascist because the, the good is greater than the evil you're committing. There are people that believe this, and so when these politicians are verbalizing this stuff, the media's verbalizing stuff, they know that there's a degree of mental illness in this country that's gonna take them up on that. It's happened multiple times. And here we are. We've already moved on. It's easy to just talk about Secret Service, but no one's talking about the environment that's caused this, and the Secret Service clearly hasn't adapted to that environment.

10:10

Speaker 4
They're still acting like this is a regular president with regular president security, and, you know, they're not gonna ask me my opinion, but if I was Donald Trump or I was on his team, I would completely gut whatever's happening around me, and I would pull in the experts of the world and rephrase and redo and calibrate all of our security protocols because something has happened. Yeah, the guy didn't get close, but why wasn't there... why is their stairwells not secure?

10:37

Speaker 4
Look at the ch- you know, how does a guy get-

10:39

Speaker 1
Come on.

10:39

Speaker 4
... 150 yards away in Butler? I mean, how does this even... it's easy for us to say when a president's not dead, "Ah, we need to work on some things." I think the evidence is there. Something is amiss on both sides, the rhetoric causing this and the lack of security, and I, I'm not saying it's a lack of security from previous presidents. They have not adapted to the threat level that's facing President Trump.

11:01

Speaker 1
So it reminds me of if you, if you read the book The Godfather, great movie, a- all three of them, but by Mario Puzo, he talks about a wartime consigliere, and a lot of people don't understand that, but you're, that's what you're talking about. You're talking about you can have peacetime people that can get away with doing stuff, but it's, takes a special group when, when you're, and we're, we're at war right now. We're, I mean, I don't, I'm not talking about Iran, but I mean, Trump, we can, we should consider guarding a guy like that as a wartime unit that needs to take that on, and, and I, I totally agree with you. That, that, that's a great analogy, a great way to put it that they need to change their game and totally throw away the rule book, and, and they need to com- completely get something else because three, four attempts, five attempts, what- what's the magic number that's go- that, that, you know, when are they gonna get it right?

11:46

Speaker 1
You know, and I certainly don't want it to happen in my lifetime. Well, guys, um, and, uh, you know, I'm looking at some of the commentary here, uh, and we got, and we're 10 minutes out from a commercial break. I'll, I'll, I'll get to that in one second from, uh, Rumble. Commercial break, guys. Stick with us. We're gonna... we'll be right back. (instrumental music) My family only cares about one thing, that I come home safe.

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13:01

Speaker 1
Welcome back. Leo Roundtable at leoroundtable.com, the law enforcement talk show. My name is Chip Debloc and I'm your host. We're joined by, uh, Dr. Travis Yates, former major Tulsa Police Department; Dr. Joel Schultz, former police chief now in Colorado. We've been talking about, um, the aftermath of the, uh, White House Correspondents Dinner, uh, attempted assassination on President Donald Trump. And, uh, I, I think, Chief Schultz, you had some stuff that you wanted to say. And I, uh... A- and when you're done, we'll start rolling on 'cause I know that we've covered a lot of the stuff during the week after it happened. But, Chief Schultz, the floor is yours.

13:34

Speaker 3
Well, I, I appreciate, uh, Travis's commentary. Y- you know, when we talk about mental illness, th- these, this last batch of a- attempted assassins, uh, or would-be assassins or friendly assassins as the last guy would say, um, th- they're not like Squeaky from Manson disciple crazy, they're, they're rational actors, uh, to a degree.

13:57

Speaker 1
Yeah.

13:57

Speaker 3
And so we've gotta think about... You know, when we think about the, the Southern Poverty Law, uh, Center, uh, uh, fiasco where they've actually been-

14:05

Speaker 1
Wow.

14:05

Speaker 3
... funding p- uh, accused of funding, uh-

14:08

Speaker 1
Extremist groups.

14:10

Speaker 3
... groups and organizations to foment hate so that they can get funding supposedly to foment hate. Um, and I've been suspicious of those folks, uh, ever since they put, uh, uh, Focus on the Family on their hate list group, uh, 10, 15 years ago. Um-

14:24

Speaker 1
James Thompson.

14:25

Speaker 3
And well-funded, you know, Soros-funded and, and, uh, paid protesters. So this, this is not a series of lone wolf attacks. This is the, the... They were given birth by, and I'm not saying that in a conspiratorial way, but, but they were given birth by, um, a well-funded, um, uh, clever set of, of intel-gathering and, uh, psychological, psychological operations. Uh, what, what's undergirding all of this anti-Trump stuff, um, i- is not policy differences at all. Uh, it, it's, uh, it, it's much, uh, much, much bigger than that. So, you know, to Travis's point, uh, the security against nutcases is not what we're looking at anymore. We're, we're looking at a, a, uh, a security threat that comes from a very well, uh, funded foundation of, uh, uh, of hate.

15:22

Speaker 4
Yeah. The chief is right, Chip. This is not John Hinckley insane here. These are highly educated people. The guy on the golf course.

15:31

Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.

15:31

Speaker 4
Uh, this guy with a wee- And these are highly educated people that have been, uh, gotten their ideology, uh, and turned into domestic terrorist. I mean, our American media and our own American politicians are grooming domestic terrorists and no one's saying that. But that's the definition of domestic terrorist, that your ideology causes you to commit assassinations. I mean, th- we would call it what it was if this was in another country, but we're not calling it that here. And this is con- And the reason I'm saying it's, it's not going away. Don't tell me both sides need to ratchet it down. This is not a both sides issue.

16:11

Speaker 1
I agree.

16:11

Speaker 4
Right? It just isn't.

16:11

Speaker 1
I agree.

16:12

Speaker 4
Southern Poverty Law Center, you know, out of the picture, isn't that weird how right-wing extremism has kind of gone away because they were funding most of it, right? So, um, no one's... I don't know the answer to it other than you better change your security protocol. And I would like to think the Department of Justice can hold groups accountable that are funding domestic terrorism, which is exactly what this is.

16:35

Speaker 1
Yeah. I agree. Um, I don't know what all the answers are, but, uh, but you say the right thing to the wrong person, even if they're just maybe not mentally strong or maybe not that far off the edge, but they just are looking for an excuse and, uh, you're planting that seed. Guys, um, it's time to move on. We've got rvmnews.com. A former Minnesota trooper drops a bombshell. He's claiming that DHS pressured him to hide fraud and the unit was disbanded. So I'm gonna roll through this pretty quickly. I'm gonna cover the highlights. But a former... Uh, he's a Minnesota state trooper, and this week he said officials within the states, now we're talking about Minnesota, Department of Human Resources, they attempted to pressure him into withholding evidence related to an alleged fraud in a taxpayer-funded childcare program, which shouldn't really raise bells 'cause, of course, we're talking about Minnesota, but it raised new questions about oversight and accountability in the state.

17:24

Speaker 1
This is reported by the New York Post. So his name is Jay Swanson. He previously served as a criminal investigator for DHS, delivered testimony on Tuesday before the Minnehota, the, the Minnesota House Fraud Prevention and State Agency Oversight Policy Co- Committee. So, uh, this committee, it's a state committee, but it, it's still like, you know, having to answer to Congress, right? During the hearing, he alleged that his supervisors instructed him to alter or remove findings that were tied to fraud within the childcare assistance program. Clearly, clearly felonies. Um, Swanson said the request came while he was responding to inquiries from the Minnesota State Legislature regarding irregularities that were within the program. So he's doing an investigation for the legislator, legislature and, and they're asking him to. According to his testimony, a DHS official directed him to submit his responses through agency leadership, bypassing the legislature that asked for it.

18:16

Speaker 1
After doing so, a supervisor confronted him, demanded that portions of his findings be withdrawn. And he said that he advised the official that he believed that what they were telling him to do was illegal. He further stated that days later, the same official returned, warned him that his findings would lead to consequences and saying, "You better be ready for the..."... for this, the storm that's gonna be coming your way. His testimony described an environment where investigators, not just him but other investigators, they were examining potential fraud and they were allegedly subjected to pressure, harassment, internal resistance. Members of the unit faced pushback. It goes on and on. They were investigating fraudulent billing practices, childcare centers.

18:55

Speaker 1
Um, he said, uh, y- anyhow, he was talking and interviewing people that were doing scams, and they said, quote, "Th- that they had heard that you could run this scam in a number of different states, but that it was easiest, that you could make the most money by doing it in the state of Minnesota." And there were ... Anyhow, it named centers. They, e- eventually when, when Tim Walz became governor, they disbanded his unit, and they were not allowed to do criminal investigations anymore, and it goes on and on and on. Travis Yates.

19:22

Speaker 4
Listen. Uh, if you don't think this goes all the way to the top, Tim Walz, uh, dropped out of the governor race knowing he couldn't get the job as a, as a crossing guard. That guy's got no talent to do any other job other than be a politician. The only way, the only reason he dropped out of that governor's race is he knows that, that, th- that he's a mark here. It goes all the way to the top. He knows it. There's been whistleblowers for years in the state of Minnesota that said that very thing 'cause their bosses were at the top, and it goes straight to the governor's office. They're gonna find this out, and by the way, I would challenge anybody to show me where a Minnesot- Min- Minneapolis-specific police officer ever responded to a dead body of a Somalian. They don't die apparently. Their, the, the, the money keeps turning.

20:08

Speaker 1
(laughs)

20:09

Speaker 4
I've talked to hundreds of officers, and none of them can ever recall going to a DOA call in the Somali community. Very interesting.

20:19

Speaker 1
Wow.

20:19

Speaker 4
Maybe we should take the vitamins that they're taking, but that's a whole side note. But this goes all the way to the top. Walz knows it. We're knowing it slowly by slowly, hopefully within the next two years, 'cause, you know, I'm tired of the stories. It's time for people to go to jail.

20:35

Speaker 1
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21:52

Speaker 1
And, uh, you know, we've been talking about the, um, the former Minnesota trooper dropping the bombshell about fraud in the state of Minnesota, and so that was what we've been talking about. We have a, uh, another story that's gonna be coming up, um, about a, a school officer stopping an armed teenager. Uh, but Chief, I think that you were talking about th- the Minnesota thing, and I'm gonna let you go ahead and continue on that one.

22:15

Speaker 3
I, I just wanna know, and I don't understand, and, and Travis may be able to see beyond the veil a little bit better than I can, um, what is the incentive for the governor, and I agree that that's- that's where all that starts if you look at the timeline, um, wh- what's the incentive? It can't be for the voting block. There's only about 100,000 Somalis, um, in, in the state. Now that may represent 500,000 Democrat votes, but that's still not, uh, y- you know, a major incentive, uh, for, for people to be involved in this, so it's- it's obviously a money trail. Uh, there's gotta be some, gotta be some stuff going on where some deep pockets are being lined. That, that's ... I can't think of any other motive for, uh, people at the top of government to suppress a legitimate investigation about, uh, the fraudulent expense of tax dollars.

23:09

Speaker 4
Yeah. Y- I think the chief has very accurately described that, uh, you know. There ... What is the incentive? And first off, uh, you know, Minnesota is, it's about 45/55, so I mean, it's not, it is kind of getting closer and closer to swing state, so every vote does count. But I think more importantly, hopefully they're looking at where this money is going to and what money is coming back into the state. So if I'm a Minnesota politician and I'm looki- I'm taking a blind eye and looking away and there's millions of dollars going overseas because of this, how much of that overseas money is coming back to my political campaigns? They're probably going to find some of that depending on how well they hid it. But, uh, there's no question that- that's happening.

23:55

Speaker 4
I mean, there were millions of dollars going through the airport on a weekly basis and the, and, and the state-

24:00

Speaker 1
Somalia.

24:00

Speaker 4
... quit tracking it. Right?

24:02

Speaker 1
Yeah.

24:02

Speaker 4
Because they didn't want people to know that. And so they're not just letting m- millions go out of the state not knowing some of it's coming back in some form or fashion for political power.

24:13

Speaker 1
Yeah. Even look at US aid. So I, I'm curious to see when they connect the dots and come out with the information too. That should be pretty fascinating. So, um, if you guys are ready, I wanna touch base on this, um, on this school shooting, or not a school shooting. It was, it was prevented, but you know, we've talked about, yesterday, we talked about three incidents that were, that were caught just in the nick of time. This one's the libertydaily.com. We have a school officer stopping an armed teenager before he enters the building. So-Guys, just being... Well, let me... Before we get into the school thing, let me just... G- going back to this thing in Minnesota, we had the trooper that was involved. You know, I, I think it's important to cover things like that to let people that are in these positions know what to do. You know, have some backbone.

24:53

Speaker 1
You're, you're in that position, and, and whether it's an elected, appointed, or whether it's just an appointed position, the trooper did the right thing and, and you could argue maybe he was willing to become a whistleblower. He's, he's ordered by the legislature to do something and he's got people trying to prevent him from doing his job, and at least he's smart enough to know that, "Hey, they're asking me to commit multiple felonies here," and he made a scan. So, when you're in a situation like that, you've got to be able to do the right thing. If you're, if you're not, don't take the job. Um, on this one, the school officer stopping the teenager, um, a 16-year-old former student armed with a handgun stopped before he entered a Daytona Beach High School, so this is in Florida where I'm at, according to local media.

25:29

Speaker 1
So, a Daytona Beach police resource officer and an armed guardian, and also I read that the principal was there too, at Mainland High School to confront a former student who had been... who had actually fled from an F- SRO trying to re-register at the school earlier in April, so just, like, a month ago, last month. A local TV station, WEAS p- uh, they reported this. The student had been removed from the school in February after he was arrested on charges of marijuana possession and vehicle burglary according to WFTV, and then when he was intercepted, the student was searched and, and they found a loaded handgun and two magazines were discovered in the waistband of his pants according to WESH. The school was not placed on lockdown. The student was arrested, uh, with an open warrant as a runaway according to WFTV. He also faces charges of possession of firearm by juvenile, um, on school property as well, ammunition, all that kind of stuff.

26:21

Speaker 1
And of course, that Gun-Free School Zone Act, um, is a violation of law as well. Um, guys, I... It seems like we are... we're catching all these people and we're, we're avoiding some mass casualties with these, uh, I mean, uh, the system seems to be working. We're getting better at detecting this stuff, and, and s- some of the stories we covered over the last couple of days, we've actually got citizens, civilians that are, that are, that are calling, or, or they're using even the... some of these apps, these law enforcement apps that citizens have are working where they're actually giving tips and we're catching guys, bad guys just in the nick of time. So, what are your... I mean, do you guys see the pendulum swinging to where we're getting better at, at stopping this stuff, or are we just getting lucky? Travis?

27:04

Speaker 3
I think we, we've put in, uh, m- more safeguards. Um, I'm an advocate, uh, of Safe to Tell here in Colorado, w- with, uh, anonymous reporting, and then they reach out and, and, uh, try to intervene. I, I think it, it, uh, c- certainly makes us review or at least be cognizant of the legitimate role of, uh, an SRO in the school. And this is a big campus and, and the guy happened to walk right into the place (laughs) where he could be detected as somebody that needed to be prohibited from being in a school. Um, but we- we've gotta make sure that, that the school district and the police department and the poli- and the s- uh, SRO knows exactly what their rule is. It's, it's not a disciplinary position, um, it's not just a security guard position, and we don't wanna farm people out there. "Let's get this guy off the road, let's get him into an SRO position," or, "This guy's two years from retirement, let's get him in the SRO." These are really critical, um, uh, places.

28:04

Speaker 3
And, uh, underlying the whole safety thing is the students and the parents and the people in the community giving that information, building that intel, uh, letting people know where the risks are. So, uh, I- I- I do think there's a better trend, a better understanding, um, that if you see something, say something.

28:24

Speaker 4
It is interesting that just a few years ago, there was a political party that demanded that school... that law enforcement not be in schools-

28:31

Speaker 1
(laughs)

28:31

Speaker 4
... which was, um-

28:32

Speaker 1
You're right, you're right.

28:33

Speaker 4
... which was, quite frankly-

28:35

Speaker 3
Or, or be, or be unarmed if they are.

28:37

Speaker 4
Yeah, of course. And so, uh, I'm not sure if there's one idea they have that is actually valid. Everything they do has a power metric to it, which is, "Let's create more shootings so then we can push for more gun control." But now that we seem to come back to reality a little bit, I think we're still missing the big picture, which is, yeah, I think we are more cognizant, we're more aware, we- we are stopping more shootings, but the question is, what's causing the shootings? No one wants to look at that shit. No one wants to look at what's the root cause of this. Kind of like, you know, some races commit violence more than other races. Nobody seems to wanna care about why. They just wanna scream racism all the time. And so, we need to take a hard look of what's causing it. I mean, it's probably a combination of things, you know? There's no question, the studies are out there, that social media has created a level of mental illness in this country that we've never seen.

29:28

Speaker 4
Uh, there is a small segment of the population, if you listen to Dave Grossman, where violence, you know, does perpetuate into that mental illness. But I think more importantly is just how, how are we treating the mental illness? Why is it that every drug they give for mental illness says this could cause violence if you take it, right? Some of these drugs that we're putting kids on like candy. So, as that advent has increased and we've put in a high percentage of our kids on a lot of psychedelic drugs, or psychotic drugs, or whatever you call them, right?

29:56

Speaker 1
(laughs)

29:56

Speaker 4
Drugs that they, they identify a child as having some sort of mental illness or anxiety or whatever. We used to just call those kids, uh, you know, a little bit different. Now, we, we label it as a disease and give them pills. It's causing this. I mean, it is a side effect. You can watch the commercials and read the little letters at the bottom of the commercials and it says it, "This could cause you to-"

30:15

Speaker 1
Yeah.

30:15

Speaker 4
"... have suicidal tendencies or violent tendencies." Right? Well, if that's the case, how many of these kids involved in this are on those? And we say it's HIPAA laws and we can't know, so we can't ask. Well, I'm just curious what culpability the big pharma has when it comes to this increase in violence from teenagers because this is not... this is a new anomaly. This was not happening when I was in school.

30:38

Speaker 4
We didn't target-

30:39

Speaker 1
Mm-hmm.

30:39

Speaker 4
... harder schools. We didn't have police officers in schools. That's just one generation ago. And-

30:44

Speaker 1
Yeah.

30:44

Speaker 4
... no one wants to talk about this and it continues to happen.

30:47

Speaker 1
So I've, I've seen Trump 2.0 within the last month address this, the, the mental health aspect of this and trying to get more, I'm not gonna say institutions, but more facilities out there. 'Cause you know, you know, back in the day, I started my career in '83, we had mental health facilities everywhere, which was a great thing. People got the help they needed. We still institutionalize them, but, but it's in jails, you know? So I, I, I, I, I would, I hope that, that he comes... He sticks to his guns on that and we start seeing more... We get more people the help they need instead of just throwing them in jail.

31:17

Speaker 4
Chip, you have so much hatred in your heart, it's much more humane to let them roam the streets.

31:23

Speaker 1
That's what we're doing.

31:24

Speaker 4
Wrap them up in the streets.

31:25

Speaker 1
Yeah.

31:25

Speaker 4
And, and, you know, it's, it's much more humane to not put them in institutions, to let them just roam the streets like we have in every city in America today.

31:32

Speaker 1
Yeah.

31:32

Speaker 4
That's, once again, that's an ideal from a political side that I don't think's quite worked out.

31:37

Speaker 1
Yeah, let's not fix them, let's just medicate them. You know, let's just, like, take care of the symptoms, you know, and, and create some new ones while we're at it. Um, I'm, uh, I'm, I'm, I got... I'm ready to roll into the next one. Did you have a comment there, uh, Chief Schultz?

31:50

Speaker 3
No, let's, let's move on.

31:52

Speaker 1
You ready? All right.

31:52

Speaker 3
Otherwise, I'm gonna, I'm gonna have to take my meds.

31:55

Speaker 1
O- okay. All right. So I... You know what? I'm, I'm gonna whet the appetite because I'm ready to jump to a video. And I, you know what? And I really, half the reason I want to do this, I haven't seen that vein that Travis has on the right side of his head. I haven't seen it pop out in a while and on this UK video, it's gonna happen because they're dealing with a dude with a knife and no one's, no one's got lethal. So I, I, I'm doing this for Travis's benefit. Police taser and arrest a terror suspect after two Jewish men are stabbed. Stick with us. We'll be right back. All right, guys, it's time to talk about GunLearn at GunLearn.com. You know, GunLearn is the first and only company to offer a step-by-step program that takes you from your present knowledge level to become a safe, accurate, and certified firearm specialist.

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33:20

Speaker 1
Leo Roundtable at LeoRoundtable.com, the law enforcement talk show. My name is Chip The Block and I'm your host. We're joined by Dr. Joel Schultz, former police chief, and also Dr. Travis Yates, former, uh, major with the Tulsa Police Department. Now, we left off talking about, and I just whet the appetite with this one, at Rumble.com, our favorite law enforcement video channel called This Is Better, police tasered and arrested a terror suspect after two Jewish men were stabbed.

33:46

Speaker 6
(sirens) Get down on the ground! Down on the ground! Down on the ground! Stay back! 1922 Highwood Avenue heading towards Boulder Creek. Get him off! Take the taser off jacket. Get him off! Take the taser off! Get on the ground! Detention of hou- detention of power! Drop the knives! Drop the knives! Drop the knives! Drop the knife! Drop the knife! Go! Drop the knife! Drop the knife! Yeah, I'm dropping. Detention of power!

34:24

Speaker 1
This happened in the UK. In fact, it was Golders Green, United Kingdom, in Britain. So body cam footage, uh, that was at the moment of the terror s- suspect was tasered and pinned to the ground by police after two Jewish men were stabbed at Golders Green and this has been released now. So the video, uh, released by the Metropolitan Police Department, it shows a 45-year-old Somali-born British national. So that's the first flag. He's holding a knife and now he's walking towards the police officer with the body cam. We have two officers firing tasers now. I saw our body cam officer's got a taser. It's out pointing at the bad guy as he's advancing on him with a knife. We got an officer to the right who's got pepper spray. So I- I don't know if there was another guy with a taser that maybe I, I didn't notice and I watched it a number of times. But anyhow, um, this guy's, the bad guy's got a blue puffer jacket on and a rucksack so it- it's going to be hard for the probes to go through.

35:18

Speaker 1
But they eventually, he eventually collapses after he's tasered and then they don't all jump on him. The dude with the, with the taser and, uh, you know, in the body cam, he does not go in. He's just watching the other guys do it. But he does have the taser, but, but he does not go in and help the, the initial officer out that had the pepper spray. That guy's going in solo. And so, um, it says that, um, they can hear them urgently, "Hey, get down on the ground. Take the taser." And, uh, once the suspect was on the ground, one of the officers kneels on top of him while the other continues to use the taser. That's the dude standing up on body cam. And now we have another guy that jumps in. Um, the officer still on his feet repeatedly yelling, "Hey, drop the knife. Drop the effing knife," while the suspect's struggling on the floor.

36:01

Speaker 1
There's a good, uh, frame where you've got the bad guy with a huge knife in his hand and you've got that one officer that's wrestling around with the bad guy and the knife, trying to get it away from him and trying not to get cut at the same time. And, you know, the suspect is pinned face down. He's prone on the ground. It's like a parking lot. And he is aggressively fighting these guys. So now this plainclothes guy comes up to help out. They think it may be someone from the Jewish community, uh, or the security team. And they eventually wrestle the knife out of the bad guy's hand. It doesn't look like anyone got caught. I, I really am surprised. I don't know how. And, and now the Green Party leader, Zach Polanski, is tweeting on X. He's criticizing police conduct seen in the footage. The Post is accusing officers of repeatedly and violently kicking a mentally ill man in the head when he was already incapacitated from the taser.All right, there you go.

36:51

Speaker 1
Travis, your mic's not even open yet, but you, dude, you're getting this one. You're starting us off, so go ahead. This has got your name written all over it. Travis Yates.

36:58

Speaker 4
Well, I'm not so upset what I saw on this video 'cause this is the United Kingdom and they've been screwed up for many years. I mean, I thought the guy was gonna start jumping rope over that taser line because he started tripping up on that, and it was just colossal disaster. But do you know, Chip, how many peer review journals endorsed by national police organizations that's supposedly for American law enforcement say that we should be more like the UK?

37:27

Speaker 4
There's too many guns-

37:28

Speaker 1
Wow.

37:28

Speaker 4
... and we should conform our training to what the UK does, and we should, we should think... I mean, the, there are legitimate, supposedly credible individuals, so-called use of force experts, that will relate UK principles, policies, and procedures that we should do more of that. And, and this is what you get. You get more dead cops, you get more hurt cops. It's a miracle this, this was not a, uh, you know, a deadly encounter because this guy did have a gun. He was going for a gun. Uh, there's no question that we're dealing with, you know, mentally handicapped police officers that have no clue what to be as police officers, but it's in the UK, so that's the norm for many of them. Many of the guns are locked up at the station, and only certain officers are required to have guns. Uh, but that doesn't upset me as much as what I'm seeing in America, which is our own use of force experts, some of them, uh, will just go on and on about how the force is our fault.

38:29

Speaker 4
And when, and when we have to use force, it's somehow our fault and we're not being nice enough, and there's no, there's no basis for that. There's no research for that. In fact, deescalation training has permeated American law enforcement, and here's the difference. It's always existed, but we always knew there was a time and a place for deescalation. We can go all the way back to the verbal judo days back in the '80s. There was always a time and a place. Nobody until recently said you should try to deescalate violent individuals. Now, there's entire agencies doing this because of $150 million government grant that PERF got and sends out on their endorsed deescalation training that is getting more cops hurt. It is getting more cops killed. I have the data to support that. Every year since 2020, more cops have been hurt to a record year of 2024 with the last year we have the data.

39:16

Speaker 4
And by the way, that goes against common sense because as the violence is decreased in America, typically you see the assault rate decrease in America. It's not... It's, it's invert. More and more cops are getting hurt every single year because they're being... They're doing exactly what they're told. "Let's be more like the UK. So let's get ourselves hurt more to make some reverend somewhere happy so they don't critique us," which they end up critiquing us anyway.

39:40

Speaker 3
Well, the, the good news, Travis, is that, uh, there is an anti-knife movement and, uh, in the UK, and they have taken 63,000 edged weapons off the streets over there to make, uh, London (laughing) and, and, uh, the, the area safer, even though most of these attacks are with kitchen knives. Half of the homicides, not quite half of the homicides in that, uh, region are knife related, and that, uh, works out to about 200 something, uh, a year plus another 3,500, uh, knife-related injuries coming into the hospitals. And that's just in, in Wales and, and I don't understand how the UK is divided up, but that's just those two, you know, what we think of as, as England. Um, Scotland and Ireland are doing their own things. Um, but, you know, I, I, I have to say, um, a lot of this goes back to Europe's open borders policies.

40:39

Speaker 3
Um, and so the, the old, um, policing by the consent of the public still works if you have a public that respects the system and has, um, some values that are consistent with the enforcement system, uh, which is breaking down in many of our Euro- European friends, uh, countries.

41:03

Speaker 1
So, so Travis, let me ask you this. F.O.C.U.S.-certified, and I know we've only got two and a half minutes, and I wanna mention the, uh, the sheriff that they did the toilet jail escape and what happened to her, but can you tell people how they can get more information and about F.O.C.U.S.-certified real quick?

41:19

Speaker 4
Yeah, I discovered that, uh, law enforcement has no system to predict violence based on behavioral cues of suspects. Every other profession does. Doctors, nurses, clinicians, uh, corrections, EMTs, they've all developed a system. They don't tell them to speak like Chick-fil-A when they see violent people. They give them a system backed by peer-reviewed research that says when you see these things, you should expect violence. And when I discovered this didn't exist for law enforcement, which quite frankly shocked me. Once again, many of our national organizations are actually working against us, pushing training that actually is making things more dangerous, like I previously covered. We developed that over the course of the last 12 months, the team I put together, and you can get all the information at focuscertified.com.

41:57

Speaker 4
Uh, we're doing those trainings across the country now, and we're about to roll out online training, and we're going all the way to the level that if you wanna train your entire department, you can become a trainer. Because if we don't do this, we're gonna keep normalizing the assaults and death of law enforcement officers, and it's time to put a fix to it.

42:14

Speaker 1
Agreed. Focuscertified.com, guys, so don't forget that. Check it out online. Focuscertified.com. Um, just real quick, I wanna just cover, and we're gonna do this very quickly, uh, foxnews.com. Louisiana sheriff charged after a toilet jailbreak let 10 inmates escape in a lockup fiasco. Uh, the highlights on this, um, it is the Orleans Parish Sheriff, Susan Hudson. She's 59 years old, a former law enforcement monitor. She was issued a sweeping 30-count indictment. Guys, we're talking criminal, alleging obstruction of justice, malfeasance and falsifying public records on Wednesday according to a press release from the Louisiana Attorney General Liz Murrill's office, and the CFO, uh, Bianca Brown...... got hit with 20 felony counts herself. The charges stem from a May 2025 incident where we have 10 inmates escape from the Orleans Justice Center, according to the AG Merola's office. And nearly a year ago, the AG made a commitment, you know, to go in and hold the people accountable.

43:15

Speaker 1
They've got all the inmates back, and now they're, now that's what they're doing. They're holding people accountable. They're saying that the sheriff, uh, even though she wasn't e- eh- eh- directly involved, she created the situation, uh, that allowed it to happen. And then, of course, other things happened after it, cooperation and hiding stuff, and, and she, yeah, she's in a world of hurt right now. Um, commentary, Chief Schultz?

43:36

Speaker 3
You know, she's no dummy. She's the Tulane Law School graduate, former practicing attorney, but she made a career out of Monday morning quarterbacking police officers in New Orleans and Los Angeles. Uh, so it's a classic irony that people that are judging don't know how to actually do the job.

43:53

Speaker 1
All right. Thank you. About 30 seconds, Travis Shades, anything?

43:56

Speaker 2
Yeah. If you wanna see the impact that those monitors have made on law enforcement, we probably should arrest a lot more of them.

44:02

Speaker 3
(laughs)

44:02

Speaker 2
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44:09

Speaker 1

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