[00:13] Speaker 1: Welcome to Leo Roundtable at leoroundtable.com, the law enforcement talk show. My name is Chip DeBlock, and I'm your host for a group of law enforcement professionals that talk about today's news and issues, but we do it from a law enforcement perspective. And let me introduce the crew, guys. If you don't mind waiting for the video portion of our show, we've got Sheriff Mark Crider all the way from Walla Walla County in Washington State, and also Lieutenant Randy Sutton, founder of The Wounded Blue at thewoundedblue.org, former Las Vegas Metro Police lieutenant. So, thanks guys for being on the show. A shout-out to our sponsors, you know, our title sponsors, Gulls and Gulls.com. Don't forget that 15% off discount code. It is REDIO15. Type that in next time you go to Gulls.com. Complimentechnologies.com, our satellite sponsor, and we are- we have gunlearn.com, mymedicare.live, and safeguardrecruiting.com, our streaming sponsor.

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[01:43] Speaker 1: Um, there are some, uh, there's some good, there's some good news and some interesting articles. Well, I, I gotta admit, I, I... Yeah, you've noticed the smile, or maybe if you're not watching the video, you can hear me on radio or podcast, I am smiling. Former FBI chief faces federal charges over a viral 8647 post and a threat to kill President Trump. So, yeah, um, we're talking about our former FBI director, uh, and, uh, yeah, I can't wait to be covering that one. Uh, we've also got, uh, another story that was pretty interesting. I don't think that many people know about this, um, and Randy, you drive a Cadillac, so I really had some questions for you after... Agriculture Secretary Claims Review found that thousands of people on food stamps are driving luxury vehicles, if you can believe that. Th- dude, when you hear the kind of car the, the Lamborghinis and stuff, Bentleys that these people are driving, it is an insane article.

[02:36] Speaker 1: I, I can't wait to cover it, but it, it's literally insane. And then, um, some other stuff we're gonna be covering. We got a jury awards, uh, $2.25 million to a Riverside County Sergeant. He was forced to resign after reported harassment, but i- it's the way they forced him to resign that, that is a little humor- I mean, it's, it's... There's nothing good about it, but you will get some entertainment value out of s- out of, out of seeing how far the agency put themselves out on a limb by trying, by make, forcing this guy to resign. And they, and they forced him to. We have a high-speed chase ending in a fatal crash, and a shooting by, uh, Parma Heights SWAT officers. And then, we have New Jersey AG released a body cam and surveillance f- video of a fal- fatal shooting of a wanted person. And then, we got a badge gun PTSD, the Texas Supreme Court, they backed the DPS firing of a ranger after, um, a school standoff.

[03:24] Speaker 1: We got Baltimore PD, we've got a, um, a city watch footage from the shooting of a 35-year-old named Tavon Newton. And then lastly, Harris County DA's office reduced cases involving the former Houston police officer following racist remarks that she made on video. I think that was Instagram and, you know, she looks Hispanic. Her last name's Gonzalez, so interesting. And, uh, yeah, she not only got relieved of duty and then she got fired, and now they're looking at criminal charges on her, so she's, she's in a, in a world of hurt, um, coming up. So, if you guys are ready, let's go on and start off with the, uh, the first main topic. Uh, and this is from the Tampa Free Press, our buddy Bryan Burns over there at tampafb.com. So, a former FBI chief, he faces federal charges over the viral 8647 post, threat to kill Trump. You know, this is the second time they've gone after, after James Comey, um, the former director of the FBI.

[04:15] Speaker 1: He's been hit with a two-count federal indictment stemming from a controversial social media post directed at the president, Donald Trump, of course, and the charges announced on Tuesday by the Justice Department, they follow a, a yearlong investigation into a now deleted Instagram photo that critics say, uh, or critics and prosecutors both say that it crossed the line from political speech into criminal, into a criminal threat. The, uh, indictment that was handed down by a grand jury, so they actually finally found a grand jury that will indict him. In the Eastern District of North Carolina is where this went down at. It focuses on a May 15th, 2025 post featuring the numbers 8647 and the context, uh, of the charges, according to the feds, they allege the post was a coded call to 86 the 47th President of the United States, President Donald Trump.

[05:03] Speaker 1: Now, the two felony counts, which we now know what they are, it is threatening the president, and they are interstate communication of a threat, which would be the Instagram portion of that. And of course, Attorney General, uh, Todd Blanche, um, current att- attorney general is handling this. And following the initial backlash a year ago, Comey deleted the post and, and he issued an apology. He said, now this is the cra-... The FBI director said he was unaware that 86 carried a, a, a violent connotation and maintained that it was a form of political expression. So, we all know that's a bunch of BS. Uh, however, FBI Director Kash Patel noted that, that the grand jury, they were presented with all the relevant information, including the deletion and the apology before they decided to move forward with the charges. So, there you go. Lieutenant Randy Sutton.

[05:49] Speaker 2: You know, okay, so Comey has got to be one of the most corrupt, um, political figures in recent history. His, his degrading of the FBI and, um, you know, creating that, that political environment there is absolutely stunning, what he did. Um-So, I just wish that they were indicting him on something that had some teeth instead of this. You know, this is ... I- in the, in the big scheme of things, this is pretty inconsequential stuff. Um, you know, it shows that he's, he's got the IQ, you know, of a p- of a 13-year-old p- posting stuff like this. But for all the things that he has done and all the conspiracy, uh, that, that he has done trying to destroy the, this president, um, I just wish that they were really going after him on something of, of real substance instead of this.

[06:49] Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean, a- and we know that they tried to get him for lying to Congress, but there were some issues with the, um, um, you know, with the, um, with the prosecutor and, and that kinda got derailed. So, right, right or wrong, uh, they weren't able to pull it off and tried to find a grand jury to indict him too. So ... Well, um, if there's no more commentary on that, gentlemen, we'll ... we have another ... Oh. Sheeran, Sheeran Pri- and, and Sheeran Criter used to work with the FBI as a matter of fact, so I'm, I'm curious to see what his commentary is.

[07:19] Speaker 3: Well, I should probably recuse myself because of my personal involvement with, uh, former Director Comey, but, uh, um, I, I, I think it's kind of frivolous to try and go after him for something so inconsequential, as, as Randy so eloquently stated. Um, my thing is, the, uh, the former FBI Director, number one, says he stumbles against, uh, stumbles onto this shell formation. I'm not buying it. Uh, I've talked to a lot of bad guys-

[07:51] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[07:51] Speaker 3: ... and I'm not buying what he's trying to sell to the American public. And, uh, unless he's been living under a rock and doesn't know any better, um, I- I don't ... I, I think he's lying out his ...

[08:08] Speaker 2: Yes.

[08:09] Speaker 1: No doubt.

[08:10] Speaker 3: And, and, uh, uh, so that bothers me that the head of the FBI could be so blatant and try and sell such a story to the American public. It's just, uh, it's just egregious to me. Nothing's gonna happen on this. Nobody in Washington DC ever goes to jail. Um, call me a pessimist or, uh, you know ... I, I, I'm tired of all the posturing back at, back at Washington DC. We need to see some people walked out in handcuffs and actually go to prison for significant amounts of time for all the shenanigans that are going on, uh, back in DC.

[08:53] Speaker 1: Agreed. Agreed.

[08:53] Speaker 3: And that's not gonna happen here.

[08:55] Speaker 1: Yeah. I agreed. I'd, I'd love to see it too. Yeah. I used to think the world of Comey back in the early days. He had that look, and then we found out what he was all about. It was, uh, very, yeah, very disappointing and I wish ... I, I almost regurgitate in my mouth when I think about the praise we used to give him on the show. When he, when he first started, he went to, uh, I believe it was Washington State. He was on vacation with his wife and he went out of his way to go meet cops, shake their hands and, and, uh ... man, I, I, I, I ... we, uh, we all fell for it and we were suckers for it. So, it, so ... Anyhow, at least now we know. So, uh, we'll be watching this. And, and guys, uh, this next article, uh, this is the one I wanna talk ... We've only got about two and a half minutes, but JustTheNews.com, "Agricultural Secretary claims a review found thousands of people on food stamps they drive luxury vehicles." And guess what the c- the, the clincher is? This is only in one state.

[09:44] Speaker 1: In one state. "Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins said on Tuesday that a recent review found thousands of Americans who received Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program benefits in just one state are actually driving luxury cars." Now we'll define what luxury cars are, but Rollins, she did not identify the state, but she did say that it was, "Led by a Republican of all people," and it, it said, "A, a scrutiny of the federal food stamp program uncovered that thousands of people are getting the benefits in that one state, and they're also rolling, uh, to stores in Bentleys and Teslas." Now they conducted a study, it was done by the Foundation for Government Accountability, and they connected 14,000 luxury vehicles to food stamp enrol- enrolees with Lexus being the most common brand. And I have to take a hit. I drive ... I ... You know, my new SUV is a Lexus, so I'm, I'm ... but I'm surprised that ... but some of these cars are much nicer than, than like a Lexus.

[10:40] Speaker 1: They're worth a lot more money. The review found that, um, over 3,600 food stamp recipients are driving Lexus cars, over 2,000 Teslas, o- a- almost 2,000 are driving BMWs, um, over 1,100 are driving Cadillacs ... Randy Sutton-

[10:55] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[10:55] Speaker 1: ... and, uh, 11 drive, il- 11 drive Lamborghinis, three are driving freaking Bentleys and three are driving Ferraris according to the Washington Times. And this is just in one state again. Uh, "We need to defend our nutrition programs," this is what Rollins said, "for those that are most in need, not for scammers gaming the system. These individuals are taking advantage of the American taxpayer and together with the Vice President's Task Force to Eliminate Fraud, this ends now." So this is, you know, J.D. Vance w- was put in charge of this area. I'm glad to see this stuff's going on. And I- I'm kind of winding it up here before we start our, go to our first commercial break, but, um, we're gonna ... In closing, they're saying they found that over 300 people own Land Rovers, 244 own Alfa Romeos, 141 Por- uh, driving Porsches, and 59 people are driving Jags, uh, among all this.

[11:47] Speaker 1: And, um, when we come back, we'll talk about the expense of the cars and then we're gonna get commentary on it. We'll be right back. (instrumental music) My family only cares about one thing: that I come home safe.

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[12:55] Speaker 1: Welcome back. Leo Roundtable at leoroundtable.com, the law enforcement talk show. My name is Chip DeBlock, and I'm your host. We're joined by Sheriff Mark Crider, he is sheriff in, uh, Walla Walla County in Washington State, and also Lieutenant Randy Sutton. He is formerly with Las Vegas Metro Police Department, currently the founder of The Wounded Blue, thewoundedblue.org. We've been talking about a story, uh, on justthenews.com. Agriculture Secretary claims a review found that thousands of people on food stamps are driving luxury vehicles. This, (laughs) this discovery, it, it happened in, in only one out of the 50 states. They're not naming it, but it's run by a Republican, of all people. And just to kind of, you know... And, and, and, and I, I didn't have this time to get it out, time to get this out before we went to the first commercial break, but the luxury car brands that these people on food stamps are driving, the most...

[13:45] Speaker 1: Uh, you know, Lamborghinis, they're costing over $680,000 Do- and, and then the Ferraris, they're worth over $600,000. Uh, the Bentleys, which I thought were gonna be higher, they're 250 to $414,000. And, uh, it, it, it's ama-... Rollins, who's the, the ones releasing this information, announced that 4.3 million people have been moved off of food stamps thanks to Trump and the Trump Administration so far, and SNAP benefits were given to 42.8 million people in January of 2025. That's a year ago, and it's down to 38.5 million this past January. So, if we went from 42.8 to 38.5, so that's what, a difference of about, what, five mil.? So, um, anyhow, that's a interesting, interesting story. Now, uh, Randy, uh, I'm gonna give you a chance to talk about your, uh, your collectable Cadillac that you just, that you just got. And, uh, and I know you're not on food stamps, so we're good.

[14:46] Speaker 2: Well-

[14:46] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[14:46] Speaker 2: ... since I am on, um, on a fixed income, maybe I should get on food stamps.

[14:50] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[14:52] Speaker 2: I'm just, I'm just, I'm just a poor pensioner. Yeah, but, but, but-

[14:55] Speaker 1: Oh, but you've got a cool car.

[14:57] Speaker 2: I do have a cool... It's a 1940 Cadillac. Again, it is, it is cool as hell. It really is.

[15:03] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

[15:04] Speaker 2: Uh, I, uh... It's my Sunday driver.

[15:07] Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. Well, look, uh, um, what do you think about it? Any surprises? Any shocks about this? I mean, I am stunned.

[15:13] Speaker 2: No.

[15:13] Speaker 1: This is just a one scene.

[15:13] Speaker 2: There's no, there's no shock here at all. There's no shock here at all.

[15:16] Speaker 1: What about the Republican, uh, governor?

[15:19] Speaker 2: That's not a shock either.

[15:20] Speaker 1: Okay.

[15:20] Speaker 2: The, the ingrained, the ingrained corruption and the ingrained, um, uh, incompetence, where, where people just are not paying attention to anything. It is, it is entitlement. And unfor- and unfortunately, until we start seeing people getting marched off to jail for this, it's gonna continue just as bad. But I'm happy to see that Trump is taking it seriously.

[15:46] Speaker 1: So that, so that's my next question. So, they're coming out with this. So, these people... It's out there. These people know that they're being... I mean, if they're driving, you know, Jags, Ferraris, you know, Lamborghinis, whatever, they know that they're under the microscope now. I, I, I don't think they're gonna be able to un-ring the bell. Um, so I, I hope exactly what you're talk- and what the, and what the sheriff was talking about earlier about, let's start seeing some people in hand- handcuffs doing some serious time for this stuff. I'm hoping that... A- and of course, you know, Marco Rubio's been all over the place, right? Venezuela, Cuba. He's been in the limelight. And J- this is, uh, one of the JD Vance's projects that Pr- that Trump put him in charge of. So, I'm expecting JD Vance, you know, to, to rock and roll too, kind of like Rubio's, you know, been doing. So, um, th- this is his chance, his opportunity.

[16:35] Speaker 2: (sniffs)

[16:36] Speaker 3: I, I, I think, um, this is nothing new, I can tell you. Um, when I was in Milwaukee with the FBI, we did a, uh, um, a food stamp investigation, and they were... We had grocery stores that were cashing out. They'd give you 50 cents on the dollar. You'd, you'd see people walk in. They'd cash out their 400 and... I think it was, like, $463 you got per month. They'd walk in. They'd walk out without a bag, and they would cash out their entire, um-

[17:07] Speaker 1: Huh. Allotment.

[17:08] Speaker 3: ... WIC card. And it, it, it's... That whole pro- program is just rife with fraud, waste, and abuse. But I think, uh, what is scary to me is that when Elon Musk was back there uncovering the misuse of the money that we give the government, um, everybody went crazy. And I think if you really track back the money on all these programs, USAID, uh, SNAP, uh, uh, all that stuff, you're gonna trace it right back to political action groups and right back to Congress. There's a reason y- you cannot... You know, find me a financial planner... Joe Biden was in government service from the time he was 26 years old. He never made more than $174,000 till he got elected president, and he accumulated a $30 million net worth.

[18:07] Speaker 3: I- it-

[18:08] Speaker 2: Very good investor.

[18:09] Speaker 3: He's-

[18:09] Speaker 2: Very good.

[18:10] Speaker 3: Yeah. I, I want to meet that guy 'cause I want to hire him as my investment guy. Um, so you look at these guys. They go into Congress. Um...

[18:20] Speaker 1: ... you know, maybe they worked as a bartender, I don't know. That's just kind of a wild shot. And then, you know, six years later, they're worth $20 million.

[18:30] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[18:30] Speaker 1: How do you, how do you do that?

[18:34] Speaker 2: How do you, yeah, how do you legitimately do that? Good question. Yep. That's it

[18:39] Speaker 1: Well, guys, we've got about a minute and 53 seconds left and, um, let's, um, let's touch, let's, let's go to Riverside County real quick and, uh, I'm curious what Randy thinks about this. LATIMES.COM, we've got a jury awarding $2.25 million to a Riverside County sergeant, uh, forced to resign after reporting harassment. So Riverside County, they've been ordered to pay this $2.25 million, so two and a quarter, um, to a former sergeant. He said he was pressured into early retirement in retaliation for reporting workplace harassment by a superior. So this is the River County, Riverside County Sheriff's Department, um, Sgt. Frank Loades was forced to leave the job that he loved back in 2022 and he wrote a resignation letter in a Del Taco parking lot.

[19:25] Speaker 2: Hm.

[19:26] Speaker 1: And while he's being forced to do that, he's got a high-ranking department official threatening him with mounting investigations, um, according to the complaint. Now on Tuesday, a civil jury concluded that Loades, the sergeant, resigned involuntarily because of his reporting of this hostile work imply- uh, workplace. And he was awarded this multimillion dollar payment as compensation for his emotional damages. Now, his attorney on this, uh, I guess, uh, beyond Darvish, said that the award was a significant number that adequately represents the harm inflicted on his client. He noted that the period since he, his forced retirement has been the darkest four years of, of the sergeant's life.

[20:02] Speaker 1: And what makes it a little bit more interesting as we come to a close here on this, on this story, although the high-ranking sheriff's department officials were involved in Loades' case, the attorney said there's no evidence presented in trial that Sheriff Chad Bianco, who's currently running for governor, had any knowledge or involvement with it at all. So I just wanna throw that out there. I don't wanna, you know, him to be caught up in this needlessly. Commercial break, guys. We'll cut, we'll, uh, talk about this when we get back. All right, guys. It's time to talk about Compliant Technologies at complianttechnologies.com. And they are committed to providing non-lethal solutions that help officers gain the upper hand safely and rapidly in a humane, low-ontics manner, utilizing their CD3, which stands for conductive distraction and de-escalation technology. Now, their flagship product we all know by now is called the Glove.

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[21:29] Speaker 1: We're joined by Sheriff Mark Krier from Walla Walla County in Washington State, and Lieutenant Randy Sutton from Las Vegas Metro and founder of The Wounded Blue, thewoundedblue.org. We left off talking about a jury award, two and a quarter million dollars to a Riverside County sergeant who was forced to resign after he, he reported harassment at the Riverside County Sheriff's Department and he ended up doing this, um, outside, uh, what was it, a Del Taco in a parking lot. He had, uh, a supervisor making threats to him while he was doing it.

[21:59] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[21:59] Speaker 1: And just wanna say that we have no re- uh, Chad Bianco, the sheriff who's running for governor-

[22:04] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[22:04] Speaker 1: ... he is not caught up in this, you know, whatsoever, so he has nothing to do with this. He's not... Anyhow, I just don't want his name to get tarnished by us covering this story. But that's what happened, you know, with this, um, uh, with this sheriff's sergeant. So, um, commentary on this. Randy, do you wanna start us off on this one?

[22:22] Speaker 2: Well, I, I love Chad Bianco. I think he's a great, uh, candidate for governor. I think he would really make a massive difference. But he, for you to think that he didn't know what was going on here, what, what are you smoking?

[22:36] Speaker 1: Well, well, I'm, I'm saying that the-

[22:37] Speaker 2: He's, he's the sheriff. He's the sheriff.

[22:38] Speaker 1: I'm saying that the... Well, the attorney for the, for the guy, for the claimant, for the sergeant is saying that they're not putting any blame on, on the sheriff for this and saying that he wasn't, he wasn't, wasn't

[22:47] Speaker 2: I understand that, but he's, he-

[22:48] Speaker 1: ... he wasn't sued, so I'm-

[22:49] Speaker 2: ... he still knew about it. He still knew about it. He still could have interceded. There's no doubt in my mind that as the leader of an organization, you know when somebody's suing you for two and a half million dollars and you know when somebody is, is being forced to resign. So I'm not buying that he didn't know about it, but, um, you know, maybe, maybe he believed that this was the right thing to do? I don't know. But, um, two and a half million dollars, that's an okay settlement. This guy already gotten his pension.

[23:19] Speaker 1: Two, two and a quarter.

[23:19] Speaker 2: Two and a quarter million.

[23:20] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[23:20] Speaker 2: His lawyer's gonna get 1/3 of that and, uh-

[23:23] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.

[23:23] Speaker 2: ... you know. Uh, but it's, it's, it's a statement 'cause the way they treated this guy sounds pretty horrible. You know, they put pictures of him, you know, really defaming pictures of him around the station. I mean, this is, this is not good stuff. Not good. This is, this is stuff from, like, uh, you know, Animal House dumbness.

[23:45] Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm... You know, some people say the system doesn't work in this case, you know. I, I'm, I'm, I'm glad that, you know, hopefully he's satisfied with the, um, you know, with the, uh, with the verdict and the amount of money that he's gonna end up getting, so, um, a- a- and hopefully the sheriff's office learned something.

[24:01] Speaker 2: Well, hopefully he'll buy a Lamborghini and park it in front of the sheriff's department.

[24:05] Speaker 1: (laughs) There you go. And hopefully, hopefully stay off food stamps when he does it, so.

[24:08] Speaker 2: Stay off food stamps, yeah.

[24:09] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.

[24:10] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[24:10] Speaker 1: All right. We got eight minutes. Let's, uh, let's go in and see. We got a story with a video component, and look, I kinda, I kinda went through and I tried to pick ones that were, um, um... Most of them I just pick out, uh, as they, as they happen in the news, so they're not necessarily the, the, the best stories or the best videos, but they're, they're timely, right? But these are...... pretty spectacular. So, rumble.com, our favorite law enforcement video channel called This is Butter, we have a high-speed chase, it ends in a fatal crash, and then a shooting by a, a, uh, Parma Heights SWAT offi- or officers, plural. So, we're in Ohio, Parma Heights, Ohio. So, the Cuyahoga County Medical Examiner... Well, if you know if the medical examiner was involved, you know what happened to the bad guy. They released the identity of the man who was fatally shot by police after an hours-long SWAT situation o- a- a- and the guy is Patrick Kerr, 45 years old, of Cleveland, according to the ME.

[25:01] Speaker 1: So, according to police, just before 11 o'clock in the morning on a Tuesday, Parma Heights Police, they're in pursuit of a black Ford F-150 pickup truck and the driver ends up crashing. Now, we have two other vehicles that are involved in the accident, you know, i- i- in the crash. Brooklyn Paramedics, they assisted three injured passengers of the other two cars, and this is all in the middle of an intersection. But according to the release, due to the ongoing threat, officers could only approach the scene under protective cover, uh, with an armored car, because the driver, a- a- and they ac- they actually found the driver of the second car dead. But for more than four hours, law enforcement had to negotiate with the F-150 driver, later identified as Kerr. He was threatening suicide. He was holding a gun to his head, and he had a known history of threatening suicide by cop. And he gets out of the car, the driver's door.

[25:51] Speaker 1: They've got, I think I counted, three armored SWAT vehicles there. But again, he's preventing them from providing medical assistance to other people involved in the accident that he caused, and one of the other driver, and one of the other people were, you know, ended up, you know, being dead. And so, he gets out with a gun to his head. He tries walking around (laughs) in front of the car, and he ends up being shot by a tactical officer, uh, after he exited. And, uh, and then he goes down, uh, in the front of his car, and then there's a, there's a, it, it seems to me, a, a, a decent kill shot at the end, uh, that this guy suffers, and he was pronounced dead. Uh, the ME, um, identified one of the other cars, um, as Ronald James Liska, 62 years old, that was, um, that was in that other car. And Brooklyn EMS transported three other people to the hospital, so it was a serious accident. Um, commentary on this one, guys? Uh, Sheriff, do you want to take this one, uh, first?

[26:44] Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh, I mean, super unfortunate. Uh, when you look at the video, it is fairly obvious to me that they, they shot him. He wanted to commit suicide. Um, I don't know if he just didn't have the will to do it, or, or whatever at the time. It's unfortunate when people do that, because, um, we end up shooting them, which is unfortunate in the first place. We can't get them the help that they need, and then you also have an officer that now has to live with the fact that he killed somebody during the course of his career. Um, so it's unfortunate all the way around, but there, there's not a lot else you can do. Uh, you know, all the comments of, "Oh, they should have shot the gun out of his hand," and this, that, and the other. It just, unfortunately it doesn't work that way.

[27:38] Speaker 1: Um, Randy, what do you think about the air service video on this? That was pretty... I thought it was pretty spectacular.

[27:44] Speaker 2: Yeah, it was, it was good, but, eh, I think the, the real lesson here is that, how many traffic accidents do police, police officers respond to every day? And it becomes routine, right? Well, this is not the first time we've seen a traffic accident, or what we would think to be an innocent, uh, trans- transaction with somebody that's, that's a disabled motorist, turn into a fatal shooting, or an officer being shot.

[28:11] Speaker 1: Well, this was a car... This was a chase. This was a pursuit that ended in a crash.

[28:16] Speaker 2: Oh, I... Okay, I mistook this. I thought that this was...

[28:18] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[28:18] Speaker 2: ... a wreck that, that they...

[28:19] Speaker 1: No, no, no, no.

[28:20] Speaker 2: ... were responding to.

[28:20] Speaker 1: This, this F-150... I mean, he should have had that Lamborghini or that Alfa Romeo when he was running from the police, and maybe that's what caught... you know? But, no. This... Yeah, that F-150 took out two other cars when he crashed in the intersection, and then they, uh, they had a hard time... You know, they knew this guy that was running from them, uh, he, he... that he was armed and stuff, and so they were having trouble getting to the other guys to help him out, you know? But, yeah.

[28:42] Speaker 2: Oh, so now there's gonna be a lawsuit that they, that they pursued the vehicle?

[28:46] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. You know, it wouldn't surprise me. Wouldn't be the first, would it? So.

[28:50] Speaker 2: No.

[28:50] Speaker 3: And, and just, just for clarity, it's Cuyahoga.

[28:57] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[28:57] Speaker 1: Oh, I said Cayuga?

[28:59] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[28:59] Speaker 1: It's Cuyahoga?

[29:01] Speaker 3: (laughing) Yeah.

[29:01] Speaker 1: So, I'm glad you didn't correct me on live radio, Sheriff, so thank you so much for sparing me the embarrassment on my own show.

[29:09] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[29:09] Speaker 1: (laughs) And you know, the fact that, you know, you just... I've never seen you smile that big before, too. The fact that you're just enjoying that so much. I don't know, there's just... There's something inherently wrong with that, Randy. I appreciate the backup, Randy. All right. So, uh-

[29:23] Speaker 3: It's extremely fun.

[29:24] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[29:24] Speaker 3: Uh, you know, I grew up in Ohio, but I was also in Wisconsin and now in Washington, we have tons of Indian names.

[29:34] Speaker 1: Wow.

[29:35] Speaker 3: And the mispronunciation... You know, people try and pronounce Oconomowoc or Puyallup. I- it doesn't look anything like... It doesn't sound anything like it's spelled.

[29:46] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[29:46] Speaker 3: So it's always fun to see people not from the area just butcher, uh, you know, the...

[29:50] Speaker 1: Thanks.

[29:51] Speaker 3: ... local names.

[29:52] Speaker 1: I need to start calling the sheriff before live shows and just running, running over my pronunciation of words first before we start, so. All right. Um, so moving along. Uh, let's see. We have another story with a video component, and this one we're gonna jump over to New Jersey. So, we're still at rumble.com at our favorite law enforcement video channel called This is Better. So, the New Jersey AG, attorney general, they release this body cam and surveillance video of a fatal shooting of a wanted suspect.

[30:20] Speaker 4: Excuse me. Bitch ass (beep) . Don't move. (gunshot) . Don't move, bro.

[30:38] Speaker 1: Don't fucking move. Hands, hands, hands.

[30:40] Speaker 2: Back the fuck up.

[30:41] Speaker 1: Hands! (gunshots) Gun! So, this is in w- in West Berlin, New Jersey. I believe I pronounced that one correctly, uh, sheriff. And, and so, the New Jersey State Police detective, um, he fatally shot this guy in what they call in Berlin Township, but seconds after the guy pulls an object out of his pocket during a confrontation and there's a body cam. Guys, this is, like, amazing how this goes down 'cause you never, you never know. I mean, when you're looking, they, they went there looking for the bad guy, but when you turn the corner and the dude is freaking there and he's armed and he's going for the weapon, I mean, you know, it's just, it's, it's whoever can get the draw, ge- get the draw down first, right? So, Sean Phillips, 37 years old, he ends up being shot July the 29th, and he's standing on top of a, of a small staircase, uh, that goes into an apartment building in the West Berlin area.

[31:33] Speaker 1: And I'm getting close on time to our next commercial break, so I'm gonna try to move through this quickly. This happened on April the 13th. New Jersey Attorney General's Office released this body cam video, and they were, uh, this is from one of two troopers that actually went there to arrest this bad guy, Phillips, and, 'cause he was a fugitive. So, this one officer, he's, he's walking along the property and he's got this, this, um, this resident- residential building to his right. He turns the corner, and there's this bad guy on top of, like, the small number, like, four or five steps. And he sees it a- and, and he says, "Don't effing move," is what he, is what the trooper says to the bad guy. And in the video, you can see the bad guy's holding the phone in his left hand and he's using his right hand, he's pulled up a shirt, he's going, he's going for a gun in his right front pants pocket, and that's where it gets dicey.

[32:19] Speaker 1: I'll tell you guys what happens when we come back from commercial break, but you definitely wanna hear this if you're watching or listening to this show. A commercial break, we'll be right back. All right, guys. It's time to talk about GunLearn at GunLearn.com. And, you know, GunLearn is the first and it's the only company to have a step-by-step program that takes you from your present knowledge level to become a safe, accurate, and competent certified firearm specialist. Now, they partnered with Smarter Degree now, so if you've already got that firearm specialist certification, even if it's five years old, now it's worth, it's worth college credits, which is really cool. And that's through Smarter Degrees University Partners Program. And of course, GunLearn's been doing this back since 1996. They've been teaching everything that LEOs, that's law enforcement officers, need to know about firearms and ammunition to all facets of law enforcement.

[33:02] Speaker 1: You can start today with an online training or you can sign up to attend a live seminar. And if you're a chief or a sheriff and you have your own agency, you can actually host a seminar for absolutely no cost. It's an amazing opportunity. You can go to the GunLearn.com and hook up with the founder, Dan O'Kelly, in order to get this thing done. Again, that is GunLearn.com. And don't forget, that certified firearm specialist degree that's now worth college credits. Welcome back. Leo Roundtable at LeoRoundtable.com, the law enforcement talk show. My name is Chip The Block and I'm your host. We're joined by Lieutenant Randy Sutton, Las Vegas Metro Police, and also founder of The Wounded Blue, thewoundedblue.org, Sheriff Mark Krider, all the way, all the way from Walla Walla County, Washington State. Wine country, basically. And, uh, thanks for being on the show gentlemen. We left off talking about an interesting story.

[33:46] Speaker 1: New Jersey Attorney General released body cam in reference to this, but we have some New Jersey state troopers, we have two of them, and they're going to get a fugitive and, uh, and it, it kinda gets hairy. So, we've got our main trooper that's, that's wearing the body cam that starts off this video, and he's walking, uh, by the side of this housing complex, I think it's got, like, two, two rooms in it. And as soon as he turns the corner on this right side, you've got, like, like, what? Four or five steps? And the bad guy that he's looking for is at the top of those steps. And he says, "Hey, don't effing move." And in his, uh, in, in the video, the bad guy, sure enough, he does what he's, he does what he was told not to do. He's holding the phone in his left hand, and with his right hand he pulls up a shirt and he reaches into his right front pants pocket and pull out a gun.

[34:31] Speaker 1: So, this trooper, um, detective, aims his service weapon at the bad guy and who continues to pull the gun out of his pocket, and he, he yells out, "Hands! Hands!" And then he shoots the guy multiple times. Bad guy falls down the steps and now he's sprawled out on the sidewalk. But it's not over yet. Uh, they end up recovering a revolver and it had, it had, uh, revol- I mean, they- people still carry revolvers, Randy, I guess, and he had, it had, uh, live rounds in it. Uh, but Phillips was shot at 10:15 in the, you know, in the morning, uh, got medical treatment, but in, in, in the middle of all this chaos, there's a woman that's allowed to go up and, and, and get involved and, and grab onto the bad guy and stuff. She's walking a dog. She seemed like she had an association with the bad guy. Remember, he's sprawled out.

[35:16] Speaker 1: And they're unable to give this guy first aid because of what the woman's doing, so they act like she cared about him, but she's preventing him from getting medical treatment. He ends up frigging dying. Um, and so she's saying, "What did you do with the my ..." and they redacted it, and she's, um, shouting this at the detectives 'cause now the other detective had run around after the shooting. So, the woman's distraught. She puts the dog inside the apartment building, and then she's cursing at the detectives and she's crawling on the ground towards the bad guy. She's crying. The second detective eventually pulls her away, off the bad guy that's been shot, and he puts her in restraints. And then the bad guy, they, they try to save him and he ends up dying at the hospital. So, um, she was not a help in trying to save his life.

[35:57] Speaker 1: Court records show that the bad guy had been charged with multiple offenses, including an incendiary incident, um, and the probable cause statement said that he started a fire with a Molotov cocktail-like device, caused $2,000 worth of damage to a parked car, and he was charged with criminal attempt, aggravated arson, and criminal mischief. Also accused of possessing explosives and a bottle of starter fluid, so not the kind of guy you really wanna run with or, or, or have not like you. Um, Randy Sutton.

[36:27] Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm just very happy they found a gun on this guy.

[36:31] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[36:31] Speaker 2: 'Cause kno- knowing New Jersey, God help him if he was go- going for a bag of dope or something. And, uh, yeah, but it, this was...She was out of control. She was out of control. And I, I was wondering what he was wanted for, because only sending two detectives for a fugitive, um, that's, uh, uh, that, you know, you gotta look at that and go, "W- was there a tactical plan here?" Or was this like, "I'm just gonna go walk up on the guy," you know? So, that's one of the things, you gotta look at- at tactics here.

[37:04] Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, could you just imagine, I mean, just harmlessly... I mean, they could have both been together, but ideally, I guess, you're gonna have one guy in the rear and one guy in the front in case the guy bails out of one or whatever. But, I mean, just the- the- the odds of the bad guy being at the top of the stairs on the outside. But I don't know, when they, when they went there, I don't know if they drove around the front to do, like, a visual before they did that. I- I- I don't know. Tha- that's a good point because, um, you know, could it, could it have been, could it have been avoided, you know? So. Um, any- any more commentary on this one, guys? Anything... Uh, Sheriff?

[37:38] Speaker 3: Yeah, the tactics on this just, uh, make your skin crawl. It took me two or three times... I'm still not sure, uh, whether the partner was... It looked like a female that was standing on the other stoop. Um, I watched it several times. I didn't see... I couldn't tell that she was armed, um, which concerned me that maybe it was a probation and parole officer and they're not armed or something. Uh, but her engagement in the whole thing of trying to keep the, uh, woman with the dog out of the situation, uh, was kind of slow (laughs) , slow to react.

[38:14] Speaker 3: And, um-

[38:15] Speaker 2: It was.

[38:16] Speaker 3: ... s- securing the pistol, the- the revolver that laid on the ground, uh, in plain view during this whole altercation, she could have easily picked that up and shot one or both of them. So, um, just some tactical considerations that probably are good training points. And they managed to, uh, get through the situation without anybody getting hurt, any of them getting hurt. The bad guy obviously got hurt. Um, but I think they, they probably wanna go through this and there's some definite lessons learned from the whole situation.

[38:53] Speaker 1: Now, I- I know you were a firearms instructor, you know, for- for the, uh, FBI, too, so I, um, I- I listen when you talk on this stuff, so thank you. Um, guys, I think we've got time for one more. We got about four minutes left and I'm gonna let you guys choose between these two updates. The- the first one is the Texas Supreme Court is backing Department of Public Safety firing a ranger after a school standoff. The other one, Harris County in Texas as well, the DA's office is reviewing the case. That's that former Houston police officer, the Spanish, uh, the Spanish one who was slamming Blacks and she said she hated Blacks and that she's gonna, you know, find Blacks and put them in jail and all this kind of stuff. So which, which one would you guys rather cover? Do you have a- do you have a preference?

[39:39] Speaker 2: Female.

[39:41] Speaker 1: You want the female? All right, here we go. So abc13.com, Harris County DA's Office reviewing cases involving former, uh, Houston police officer. And I... Notice I said former. Following racist remarks video. You know, I- I had three articles on this. One was her getting, um, pulled off the street, you know, suspended, and then fired, and now they're looking into criminal, uh, charges on her. And so they started reviewing every case involving her former, uh, or former police... Houston Police Officer Ashley Gonzales, after they said a video surfaced online of her making racist remarks regarding African Americans. Now, according to the District Attorney's Office, its, uh, Conviction Integrity Chief had already started a thorough an- I guess analysis or- or started the process of going through every case she's been involved with since she's been on, which hasn't been that long. Racim- racism is abhorrent.

[40:35] Speaker 1: Uh, the fact that we have to, um, lead the statement with this is disgraceful, according to the District Attorney's Office. "We take seriously our ethical obligation to notify defense attorneys regarding her discipline that is affecting open cases." And Gonzales was actually fired on Friday after several videos, several, um, surfaced online from an Instagram profile. Now, the videos depicted her making offensive comments and using racial slurs recording- regarding African Americans. In another video, she says that she used her role... I can't believe she actually said this, but I heard her say it too. She used her role as a law enforcement officer to target African Americans. Um, the Houston Police Department said it investigated the videos, which were initially shared with a limited audience through Instagram's close friends, but then it later circulated more widely. And it said in a press release on Friday that she's no longer an employee for the department, so they fired her.

[41:27] Speaker 1: And they say the behaviors exhibited by Ashley Gonzales was abhorrent, disgusting, entirely unacceptable, according to Chief Jay Noe Diaz Jr., and, "It's deeply disturbing. There's no place in law enforcement or in our community." The, uh, Houston Police Information Unit, um, they, uh, referred it to IA, Internal Affairs. Even Mayor John Whitmore, uh, got involved, you know, on this as well. And I believe they say... Yeah, she started in January of 2024, so she's only been a cop, um, for- for two years, but wow. Um, and we got, we got a minute to talk about this, but Randy, I thought I'd let you start us off.

[42:02] Speaker 2: Her- her racism is on- is only, um, is only capitalized by her dumbness. I can't imagine how stupid this wom- woman is. How did she pass the police test? What kind of moron does this? She's such an idiot. God knows, can you imagine working with this creature? Uh, just unbelievable.

[42:26] Speaker 1: Yeah, she sounded kind of ghetto the way that she talked. I- I was, uh... And then it just... You know what? I think a lot of it was, uh, was show, um, some of the stuff she said, but- but the dam- the damage is done. I'm so glad that the system works for the most part. I'm so glad that they ni- they got rid of her r- I mean, well, they- they took her off the street right away, but then they fired her and they're even looking to- to go criminal or- or at least look at the cases that she's been involved with to do the right thing, so I'm very impressed with that. Um, any commentary, Sheriff?

[42:57] Speaker 3: I- I- I think Randy summed it up fairly well (laughs) . I- I'm- I'm amazed at, yes, some of the stupid actions that were taken that she's gotta- she's gotta realize that they're gonna get found out. I'm... I- I don't know how she ever passed any portion of the background investigation, the psychological, the polygraph, any of that, how she got through the system.

[43:24] Speaker 1: Well, the good news is, if you're watching the show, if you're a police leader, you know, chief or sheriff somewhere and you like that 30-30 initiative where you're trying to get 30% of law enforcement officers to be female by the year 2030, uh, there is a, uh, somebody that I know that is, uh, available for your employment. So get a hold of me, I'll hook you up with her. She... And she's Hispanic, so you'll have that quota as well. So, um, hey, I do... I want to mention the Window Blue, the windowblue.org. Don't forget about the summit. Sign up for that, guys. And also, uh, guys, supporter/sponsors that go to great lengths to bring this quality tu- this quality show to you, gullis.com, complianttechnologies.com. We have gunlearn.com, mymedicare.live, safeguardrecruiting.com and twobells.com. Uh, don't forget, we have our next live show tomorrow, 12 noon Eastern.

[44:07] Speaker 1: (rock music plays)