[00:00] Speaker 1: (music plays) Welcome to Leo Roundtable at leoroundtable.com. My name is Chip The Block and I'm your host, and we're a group of law enforcement professionals that talk about today's news and issues, but we do it from a law enforcement perspective. Let me introduce the crew. Guys, if you don't mind waiting for the, uh, video portion of the show, it's gonna be a great show, guys. For people who watch the show, this is gonna be fantastic. We got Rich Giropoli and Frank Loveridge, both retired, uh, SACs from the Secret Service, and, uh, special agents in charge. We've also got Lieutenant Chuck Springer all the way from LAPD. Of course, he, he got smart, he migrated over here to Florida. He lives further south than I do. And, uh, then Scott Steiert, you know, uh, former Green Beret, Delta Force operative, and he's got some great insight. And Scott, I remember when we covered Venezuela and you were just, like, spot on.

[00:54] Speaker 1: Uh, the only thing, it was just, I know you wished that you were there 'cause all, you know, you know, all your, all your, all your bros were down there getting all, getting it done. But it was, it, it was a great conversation, great insight i- into how you guys operate. So, thanks for being on the show, guys. A shout-out to our sponsors. Do you know we have our title sponsor, gulls@gulls.com. We also have compliantetechnologies.com, our satellite sponsor, and we have gunlearn.com, mymedicare.live, safeguardrecruiting.com, our streaming sponsor. And yes, thanks to them, during the live show, we're streaming to over a million followers right now on social media. And twobells.com, they built a new online store at leoroundtable.com. Uh, please go there, get cool shirts like the one I'm wearing. Uh, the mug, coffee mug behind me. We've got all kinds of really cool i- uh, things there. We don't charge anything extra, so we're just trying to get our gear out there.

[01:38] Speaker 1: And also, a shout-out to Bryan Burns for the Tampa Free Press at tampafb.com. Thanks for carrying our content, Bryan. Ray Detrick with formerlawman.com, same thing. And finally, Travis Yates with lawofficer.com. Thanks to all those entities for helping make this show happen. And now, what in the world are we talking about today, guys? We have three main topics today, but Tennessee, they're a little bit deeper. We're covering two polls because, you know, the, the goal is, is to make the people that watch the show among the s- the smartest people in the room when it comes, uh, to, to, to certain topics, especially as it deals with law enforcement. I just thought it was a good opportunity as we're winding out the week to cover the polls. Uh, the first one is, what percentage of Americans actually want all illegal migrants sent home? So, we're not talking about the worst of the worst, but everybody. It might surprise some people.

[02:19] Speaker 1: And then, uh, what is the approval of military action against Iran? And, and then how is it split between like independents, Republicans, and Democrats, you know? And then, uh, US will bitterly regret sinking Iranian warship, the Foreign Minister, um, warns. And, uh, they're looking for Trump's blood. So, that, we're gonna, you know, our Secret Service guy's gonna be all over that. Then we got a Volusia County Sheriff's deputy shaved, uh, shaved (laughs) ... He didn't, he... I don't think he shaved, but he's saved by a body cam, uh, when he was shot twice during a battery investigation. Uh, that's a, a wild video. And we got two more stories for the video component. We got a K9 catching a bad guy under the crawl space in the house. That must have hurt. And then we got a police cruiser rolling over, uh, during a pit, but it's, it's crazy. We- we've been holding this story, wanting to cover it.

[03:07] Speaker 1: Uh, I, I, I, it looks like the first cruiser tried to pit this guy pulling an empty trailer and he ended up on top of the trailer in the police car going for a ride. And then the second cruiser comes along, pits the dude and the truck that's towing the trailer that's got the cruiser on top of it, and, uh, the cruiser, it jackknifes. Cruiser goes off and it's flipping end over end, and then our truck does a head-on crash into a tree. It's a crazy video. Um, so if you guys are ready, let's go ahead and get this party started. You know, our first one, uh, breitbart.com, uh, there's a poll saying 57% of Americans want all illegal migrants sent home. They, you know, they're calling that migrant war, not the illegal aliens, you know, but... So, 57% of Americans want all illegal migrants sent home according to a Harvard-Harris Poll.

[03:57] Speaker 1: Now, it includes 54% of political independents, 79% of Republicans, uh, but just 35% of Democrats, uh, according to this poll taken between February 26 and 28, 1900 registered voters by the Harris Poll and HarrisX. Now, the majority support mass deportations. Um, it's notable because it remains strong amid massive resistance by pro-migration politicians, the Democratic establishment, the establishment media, and various pop culture influencers. So, um, it says the poll also showed 63% support for a draft law that would bar the award of commercial driver's licenses going out to illegal, um, immigrants, and 40% of Democrats favor, uh, uh, for the curb. So, the majority support for deportations that co-exist, and this is interesting, with swing voters, um, who dislike tough police tactics required that we have to do to find and deport the, the illegals. And, um, and of course, there's fierce opposition from pro-migration activists.

[05:00] Speaker 1: And for an example, it says the polls show that 55% oppose hiring an additional 20,000 Border Patrol and ICE agents in order to get the immigration raids and to police from different parts of the country. Um, so there is some, there's some, you know, misinformation going on out there, some people are confused, and, and you know what? Some people just don't like the optics. You know, they just don't like what it looks like, you know, when you're having to go chase, chase down... These are bad guys. They're illegals. I mean, and remember, uh, uh, a decent portion of these guys are murderers, they're rapists, they're child predators. It's just, it's just, it's just sickening. Um, so I, I don't know what it is, guys. A- and, um, you know, uh, whoever wants to start it off, I don't know how we swing or if we can swing the American public or, or, or a higher percentage. I mean, I know that they want, the vast majority of Americans want any illegal out.

[05:48] Speaker 1: I know my wife's family came from Colombia, but they came the legal way, and, and they hate it 'cause it just, it just... I can't use the word on the radio, but, uh, it, it up- it upsets them. You know, because, you know, they don't want, these guys don't wanna stay in the line. Um, Rich, you wanna start us off on this one?

[06:03] Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I, I think what it comes down to is your pocketbook, right? You want to get to the heart of this matter, anybody's paying taxes and is working a legitimate job. How can you possibly substantiate housing and educating and providing all these benefits for all these illegal aliens, many of whom are, in fact, criminals. I am a huge proponent, I've said this on every show that I've been on, of, of tracking them all down and shipping them all out of here. You want to come back, you come back legally. You want to hire 25,000, 100,000 more ICE agents, immigration agents, whatever title you want to give them, I'm a big fan of that, because there simply aren't enough of these guys around so that when a, a uniformed cop or a federal agent lays hands on one of these illegal aliens, and that's what they are ... This whole thing about undocumented migrant, that's nonsense.

[06:52] Speaker 2: My father came to this country, joined the Army, because that was the fast track to becoming a citizen, became a citizen-

[06:59] Speaker 1: Wow.

[06:59] Speaker 2: ... paid his taxes and there was no issue. I am so sick and tired of giving a, a huge portion, which we found out from the testimony of this idiot governor from Minnesota, a huge portion of my salary is going to taxes that are being given to all these fraudsters that are out there. This has got to be stopped. Shut it down now.

[07:19] Speaker 1: Yeah. Bravo, totally agree. Frank?

[07:22] Speaker 3: Well, Richie, you're dead on. Uh, we've talked about this before. This was one of the major platforms that President Trump ran on, was to shut down the border and to basically go after them in master deportations. And the American people were good with this. They voted for them. And I think these numbers are skewed. I think more people, if it's phrased correctly, and a lot of people are afraid to answer these types of polls, that you'd find more people agree with the deportation of these illegal criminal aliens in our country. Um, and I, I, I echo what, uh, what Richie's saying. Look at all the money in fraud that went to Minnesota. Look at $9 billion of American taxpayer dollars that were sent to the c- to the city of Minneapolis, the state of Minneap- uh, of Minnesota, and that money went out fraudulently for a group of people that 80% of them are on public assistance. That's not what immigration is designed to do. My mother and father are both immigrants as well.

[08:20] Speaker 3: They came over from Canada. They both had jobs, they both worked, and my dad served in World War II. That's what it's all about. You don't come to this country and expect to go right on public assistance. That is not the way to do it. And another thing, I just saw this today, I don't know if you've seen this either, Chip, but DHS has taken over the role of the IRS now in going after employers that are employing these illegal criminal aliens. That's a great step forward. But we have to make sure that people come through the front door. I'm not against immigration. Neither is Richie. We've talked about this before. But if you're gonna do it, you gotta do it the right way.

[08:57] Speaker 1: Yeah, i- interesting you said DHS and, uh, and, uh, you know, there's been some issues with, um, the sharing of data through federal agencies, and some judgebo- judges have been weighing in on that, so I s- I suspect that we're gonna have, you know, some more rulings from some, you know, from some woke, uh, a- activist judges out there. Um, Scott, I'm kind of curious what your input is since you date a lot of Somali women, um, I, I'm kind of curious where you're at on all this stuff right now, 'cause it's kind of depleting the pool of available ... well, you know where, you know where I'm going.

[09:27] Speaker 4: Well, I mean, (clears throat) let's just say that everybody, everybody loves to eat sausage, but they don't want to know what's in it. You know what I mean?

[09:34] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[09:34] Speaker 4: Like, it's one of those things where w- w- yes, the majority of Americans are against it, and in order to fix this problem, it's gonna be ugly. Let's face it. I mean, if, uh, the last administration didn't allow in, what is it, 15 million, 20 million, 30 million, I've heard all kinds of numbers, if that would have never happened, it probably wouldn't have got to this point. Also, if the leaders of these states, like Minne- uh, Minneapolis, uh, or Minnesota, and the governor, if they just would have allowed it and they wouldn't have created this animosity, if they wouldn't have gone on national television and, and, and made ICE this, this, this bad person and it would have never happened. So, it would have happened a lot, a lot smoother, smoothly, but unfortunately, because it was inherited, um, yeah, it's gonna be ugly, but, um, it doesn't have to be is what, is, is my point. And it's just, uh, it's unfortunate.

[10:28] Speaker 1: Yeah, I, I think the governor was just happy that there was another talking point in the media. You remember what was ...

[10:33] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[10:33] Speaker 1: Right around the time, well, you know, right around the time, you know, Good got shot in, uh, in, uh, Minneapolis, you know, the spotlight was on the governor because of all the, the, the Somali fraud, and, uh, and so he wanted to jump on that bandwagon to kind of switch the narrative, but, uh, um, are you guys ready for the next, for the next poll? Because, uh, I, I, I was kind of s- I'm always surprised when I see the numbers on this one. We have just over a, uh, a minute left before we take our first commercial break. Uh, but on this next one, the, look, we've got three stories, the middle one being a, a cool video with the submarine, uh, but we got three stories tied in together. So this first one, realclearpolling.com, I can thank, uh, Richie for hooking me up with that source, and then rumble.com, um, the Liberty Daily. Um, approval of military action against Iran.

[11:19] Speaker 1: Um, and look, there is a, a huge, huge law enforcement tie-in on this, but, so they're averaging, they have different poll sources and they're averaging this out, but the, uh, average approval for military action against Iran is 43% and the disapproval is 48.6. So, they're close, but the disapproval, um, outweighs the approval rate, um, by a slim margin. We're gonna come back from commercial break and talk about that and, uh, then we're gonna watch a really cool video. But guys, stick with us, we'll be right back.

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[12:48] Speaker 1: Welcome back. Leo Roundtable at leoroundtable.com, the law enforcement talk show. My name is Chip DeBlock, and I'm your host. We're joined by two Secret Service sacs, Rich Stair Pulley and Frank Loveridge. We've got Lieutenant Chuck Springer from LAPD, and we got Scott Stired, former Green Beret and Delta Force operative. And, uh, you know, we're talking about, uh, the poll that is, was taken recently, the approval of military action against Iran. And, and, you know, I gotta admit, I'm a little... I mean, I'm so excited about the war and finally trying to put an end to this regime in Iran that can reach out and touch so many people. And it's, and, and I, I'm so glad that we've got an administration that doesn't want to wait until they actually get nuclear capability. Although, we found out recently that during negot- during negotiations, they said, "Hey, we've already got nuclear capability for," what, like, 13 warheads or something. They were, and they were lying.

[13:37] Speaker 1: But, a- and then, of course, you can't believe anything that comes out of their mouth in any deal they make. But they're, they're not gonna stop until they get, uh, you know, a, a long-range nuclear delivery that can, that can, you know, reach the continental United States. But this approval, 43% approve of the war, 48.6 disapprove, um, so the margins are close. And, um, and then we're gonna talk about the US submarine sinking the Iranian flagship by torpedo in international waters, you know, coming up, and then we have another article coming up. Uh, but, uh, but thought- thoughts on this, guys. Um, you know, Frank Loveridge, why don't you start us off there? Thank you, buddy.

[14:12] Speaker 3: Well, Chip, I'll just say that, um, I'm not really confident in these polls. Uh, you see such a, a difference. Look at Truffoga has 54% approval, but some of the other polls are so low on the approval ratings, and that's because of the people that are actually polling. And I don't know about you, but I don't answer polls.

[14:28] Speaker 1: I don't either.

[14:29] Speaker 3: So, I'm just... I think basically that people on the right side of the aisle are more reluctant to answer these types of polls. But what I would say is I think the Trump administration needs to do some messaging right now, and I think the most important thing is to talk about Midnight Hammer was an excellent operation. It destroyed the centrifuges to enrich the uranium, but you still had 60% enriched uranium, which we saw on satellite, the Iranians moving that prior to the strikes. So, we know they had enriched uranium, and within two weeks, they could take that 60% and bring it up to 90%, which is weapons-grade. So, they were moving forward in the nuclear program, and that is how they have to frame this, because that's the biggest threat we have. If the, if the country of Iran, the Islamic Republic of Iran gets a nuclear weapon, it would be the end. And think back to North Korea.

[15:18] Speaker 3: If we'd only done that back then when North Korea was developing their nuclear weapons-

[15:22] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.

[15:22] Speaker 3: ... we wouldn't have to deal with them the way we are right now. But we have a situation where we have the capability of stopping Iran. This is absolutely the most important reason, not just the fact they took our- Americans hostage, not because the IEDs that were set off, um, in the Middle East, in Baghdad and, and Iraq that literally lamed our, our American soldiers and also killed our American soldiers. But the nuclear threat was definitely prevalent, and if we don't deal with it now, we'll be dealing with it later.

[15:53] Speaker 1: Excellent. Well, Rich and, uh, and Chuck. Chuck, we haven't heard from you yet, go ahead and, uh, go ahead and weigh in.

[16:01] Speaker 6: Well, you know, as far as... I agree with you guys, I, I don't answer polls either because they're usually not, um, you know, worded properly. They're, they're very black and white, and it doesn't give you a lot of option to actually provide your opinion. So, they're very leading. But, uh, the, the poll numbers don't really surprise me either way because, I mean, it, it's a, it's a military action. A lot of people don't like military actions to begin with. So, the fact that there's that many people that are against it is not really a surprise. And then you look at the, uh, the numbers coming from the, the various, um, media outlets. Well, you get it. Fox was 50/50, and then you get the NBC, you know, CNN, CBS, they're all, you know, they're all gonna be negative numbers because guess what? They're, they're polling their, their viewers, and their view- viewers are indoctrinated by the channels that they watch. So, not really surprising.

[16:54] Speaker 6: And I agree with Frank, um, you know, it, it was about time that somebody did something, and I'm glad the way they're doing it. It- they're doing it right. It- it's not piecemeal. It's- they're going in, and they're hammering the crap out of them, and you've got to-

[17:07] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[17:07] Speaker 6: ... destroy their entire military capability when you do that.

[17:11] Speaker 1: Yes, they are. You know, uh, Rich, I saw two other sources. I guess, uh, we had, what, 54 to 37 Insider Advantage, and then there was another one, uh, Traficallgar Group, uh, 54 to 41. So, um, there are some polls that are showing it heavily slanted with approval ratings.

[17:29] Speaker 2: Yeah, but part of the problem with these polls is a lot of these polls are done by colleges. Well, whether it's Muhlenberg or Liberty or the-

[17:37] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[17:37] Speaker 2: ... the big one is Sienna College, right? You always hear about the, the Sienna Poll. That's Sienna College. And I actually had an opportunity to go up to Sienna College when my son was applying for colleges. That school was sitting in the middle of nowhere, basically surrounded by food courts and strip malls. What the hell do these college kids know anything about the Iranians? They're, most of them are, are 18 years old, 18 to 22, right? The Iranians you, you're talking about something that happened 40, 50 years ago. They have no clue about the, the Iranian situation, the history with the Iranians, uh, the military or anything like that. So, you know, you can take these polls and put them on the shelf as far as I'm concerned. You want to give me a poll, go poll people that live in the area around Fort Bragg....

[18:18] Speaker 2: or up, uh, you know, up in upstate New York around, you know, the, the, the 10th Mountain Division, then you'll get a poll that I think would be a little bit more skewed towards the reality of, of what's going on and the engagement with the Iranians, you know.

[18:32] Speaker 1: Okay.

[18:32] Speaker 2: But I, I will also point out, one other thing you may not know, Chip, is that Frank, when he talks about the nuclear situation, uh, as much screwing around as I do with Frank, the guy was a, a, a nuclear, uh, missile commander in the Air Force for how many years, Frank? A dozen, right? So he does-

[18:47] Speaker 1: You got it.

[18:47] Speaker 2: ... kind of know what he's talking about. (laughs)

[18:49] Speaker 1: Is that right?

[18:50] Speaker 3: It was, sir. Yes. Um, I spent, uh, four years on alert at Ellsworth Air Force Base, um, uh, in a missile combat crew commander position underground about 90 to 180 feet depending on the silo, and, uh, at my disposal, I had, uh, two keys like they have in the movies, and, uh, deputy commander has one, I have the other, and you insert those keys, and you turn them, and, uh, fireworks begin. Yeah.

[19:15] Speaker 1: Wow. Wow. Well, I got a question for you, Frank. What did you think about that su- I know that your Air Force is different, but what do you think-

[19:22] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[19:23] Speaker 1: ... about that, that video of the submarine sinking that Iranian flagship? I mean-

[19:27] Speaker 3: There was times-

[19:27] Speaker 1: ... when was the last time you, you saw something like that?

[19:29] Speaker 3: Well, I wasn't alive in World War II, thank God.

[19:32] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[19:32] Speaker 3: That was the last time that happened. Um, it goes underneath the hull with the, uh, the 48, uh, which was the Mark 40 I believe they used, and, uh, I mean, it was a direct hit, and, uh, it brought it to the bottom of the ocean. Bravo. Bravo.

[19:45] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.

[19:46] Speaker 3: I'm sure we're gonna talk about that here in a few minutes, but yeah. Excellent.

[19:50] Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, we'll come back to that.

[19:52] Speaker 3: Silent death.

[19:52] Speaker 1: Yeah. You're right. Uh, that, that final story, you know, we'll probably, uh... I know we're coming up, we're about 35 seconds away from our second commercial break, so we'll, um... I, I'll whet the appetite on the, on the topic for that, but, you know, there are, there are ramifications apparently from doing that. The title of the next article, "US will bitterly regret sinking Iranian warship, foreign minister says, and the Ayatollah, Ayatollah is calling for Trump's blood." So stick tuned, guys. We're gonna find out the seriousness of this threat or if it is that serious. We got a second commercial break. We'll be right back. All right, guys. Introducing Comply Technologies at complytechnologies.com, and they're committed to providing non-lethal solutions that help officers gain the upper hand safely and rapidly in a humane, low optics manner, utilizing their CD3, which stands for conductor distraction and deescalation technology.

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[21:25] Speaker 1: I'm your host. Today we're joined by Secret Service SACs Frank Loveridge, Rich Gierepoli. We've got Lieutenant Chuck Springer from LAPD, and Scott Stiert, former Green Beret Delta Force operator. We're talking about... well, we're talking about a lot right now. We covered two polls, and, uh, the first one was where people are at as far as all illegals being shipped out of the country, and, and then how people felt about the war against Iran, and we're... we just mentioned about, you know, one of our subs taken out, one of the Iranian f-... uh, one of the ships in the Iranian fleet. I don't think they have a navy left at all. And now, this last article, uh, NYPost.com, "US will bitterly regret," and those are in quotation marks, bitterly regret, "sinking Iranian warship, according to the foreign minister, and as the Ayatollah calls for Trump's blood." Now it's a threat that they're making to the US.

[22:14] Speaker 1: The US will bitterly regret the precedent it has set after an American submarine torpedoed an Iranian warship in an attack that left more than 80 sailors dead, the Islamic Republic's foreign minister warned, while an Ayatollah called for President Trump's blood. Now the US has perpetrated an atrocity at sea, according to them, 2,000 miles away from Ir-... uh, Iran shores, and frigate Dana, a guest of India's Navy carrying almost 130 sailors, were struck in international waters without warning, uh, according to, uh, Abbas Araghchi, and he wrote this on X, formerly Twitter, on Thursday, and he said, "Mark my words, the US will come to bitterly regret the precedent it has set," and the, uh, Ayatollah called for the shedding of Zionist blood, the shedding of Trump's blood, in the wake of the deadly naval attack.

[23:01] Speaker 1: It goes on to say that Secretary of War, we love him, Pete Hegseth, said that the ship thought it was safe in international waters before it was struck by a Mark 48 torpedo, which cost about 4.2 million, and, uh, it goes on to say that instead it was, it was sunk by a torpedo. He called it quiet death. Uh, Hegseth said the strike was the first sinking of an enemy ship... This is, this is impressive when you think about it. The first sinking of, uh, of an enemy ship by a torpedo since World War II, since the, uh, USS Torsk, uh, sank a Japanese enemy vessel one day before they surrendered in August of, uh, of '45. And like in that war, back when we were still in the War Department, he said, "We're fighting to win," and then of course, the Pentagon released a video showing the vessel being hit by the, uh, you know, by the, uh, torpedo, huge explosion, ripped apart its rear, and it caused the ship to lift and begin to sink, uh, from the stern.

[23:55] Speaker 1: And Thomas Shugart of the cen- of the Center for, uh, New American Security, he, kind of explained it, which I didn't know anything about torpedoes, but he said it was one of the most lethal anti-ship weapons in the US inventory. It creates what they call a vapor bubble under the vessel, causes it to split in half. I mean, uh, so a torpedo detonated underneath the stern of the Iranian ship, lifted it out of the water, and so it sank in a matter of minutes according to, uh, Fox News Digital. And, uh, Sir Lanka's Navy recovered 87 bodies, rescued 32 people on Wednesday. The ship's commander and some of the top brass were actually among the survivors. The IRIS Dana was headed back to Iran from an eastern Indian port, uh, when it was hit.... according to the, um, you know, to the deputy foreign minister from there. And it said that it had taken part in a naval drill organized by India between February the 18th and 25th.

[24:44] Speaker 1: And also, central, uh, US Central Command officials, they confirmed that the US has struck or sunk more than 20 Iranian ships. Wow. That's pretty impressive. So Scott, what, what are you, what's your thinking of this? Had, had, so had, have you ever had the privilege of being on a, on a submarine?

[25:00] Speaker 4: No. No, I never have. Um-

[25:02] Speaker 1: That probably doesn't bother you either. (laughs)

[25:04] Speaker 4: No. I, I'm, I'm 6'4". I don't... Everything I've heard about being (laughs) about subs, I do not wanna be on a sub, or even, or even a boat for that matter, or a ship. Uh, well, uh, you know, again, it, it, it goes back to what I was saying. Hey, if you're, if we're gonna do this, let's not, let's not do it like, you know, it's kinda like th- it's the equivalent of somebody saying, "Hey, that guy had a gun too. Why didn't you shoot him in the leg?" Well, we all know because we're professionals, we've been there, that's ridiculous. Like, why would you do that? Like it, I mean, it's just, there's, there's so many reasons for that, okay? It's kinda, it's kinda the, the same thought process. If you're gonna do it, wipe 'em out. You don't want any boats there so they can hold, uh, you know, everybody hostage with, uh, oil and commerce coming out of the Strait of Hort, Hor- Hormuz, I think it is. Why? I mean, they, just so they have a, they have a way to hold us hostage again?

[25:54] Speaker 4: And then they're saying they're, they're, they're threatening the blood of Trump and Americans and all that. Okay. They've been doing that for 40 years. I mean, that's the point. That's why someone that crazy with a regime that's willing to do that, that hates people that bad, uh, that is the number one sponsor of state terrorism in the world, why would you let them have a nuclear weapon? This is th- I mean, they've, they met their, they made their bed and now they have to lay on it. That's the way I look at it.

[26:22] Speaker 7: Thanks.

[26:22] Speaker 4: Just get it over with. Just go in hard the way we are. We're doing it smartly. And, and don't give them a chance to get up and fight back.

[26:30] Speaker 1: You know, the people I run with in my circles, I mean, I see some of the rhetoric when I watch the news and stuff. And one thing I like about Fox is that they show you what the other news agencies are actually saying. I mean, they actually play the clips and you get to watch it. And, and not just isolated shows. Um, but, uh, the, I mean, the people I roll with, everybody's excited. They can't wait to get up in the morning to find out what happened and stuff. We don't want anything bad to happen to, you know, to our, to our people over here. And, and, and we know there, there's been some casualties unfortunately, but we understand it's for the greater good, and it should've, it should, should've never been allowed to get to this point, you know, like sending billions of dollars there and, and other things. So, um, guys, any more commentary on this? Ch- Chuck, I just noticed that your mic's open. Go ahead, buddy.

[27:09] Speaker 6: Yeah. No, just a real quick, Chip. I mean, what an impressive video. I, I've never been in the military. I'm not around explosives a lot. But, uh, that was extremely impressive to watch. I had no idea that we had torpedoes that were capable of doing something like that. And, and like Scott mentioned, and we've mentioned before, it, it's all in. We gotta destroy every military capability they have. And if you run 2,000 miles away, then you run 2,000 miles away. We just sink you further from home than, than, than where you were before. So, good for them.

[27:44] Speaker 1: So, so the, uh, uh, before we move on, the, there's a, there's a huge takeaway here that I wanna make sure everybody gets. I'm not worried about you guys, but just our listening audience, uh, because we are a law enforcement talk show. The, uh, the article that, uh, that, that Rich and Frank made me aware of today, which we added on this last one that we covered with the threat from Iran, and, and they're really, uh, make no mistake, it, it's a call to action for people, cells, and sleepers that are, that are everywhere.

[28:10] Speaker 1: And it's just, guys, if you're (laughs) and I said it y- I think on yesterday's show, if you're not, if you're active or retired, um, law enforcement or, or, or even our, our, our, our military brothers and sisters, and you're not carrying, uh, and you have the capability to, I mean, that, to, to where you can legally do it, you know, that, you know, you're not suffering from PTSD or other issues, or, you know, that, that y- and you can carry, uh, please, please do that. Keep your head on a swivel 'cau- 'cause, you know, uh, I, I know you guys are like me. If it goes down, I'm hoping that, I mean, my wife hates it, but, you know, I mean, this is what we train for. I'm hoping, I'm looking for it. I don't want anything bad to happen, but if it happens, I hope I'm there to be able to do something about it, and, uh, decisively, you know? So I, I just encourage, we need more good guys with guns.

[28:58] Speaker 1: And if there was ever a time where you needed to be armed or carrying under your Leosa or your HR21A, uh, now's the time to be able to, now's the time to do that. And, and to make sure that you train as well. I mean, I'm getting ready to go. I got another date set up to go, to go shooting and, uh, and to qualify again. So you just gotta, you just gotta be on that edge and all, you gotta be ready to go and keep that head on the swivel. Um, Richard, Frank, final words?

[29:20] Speaker 2: Yeah. If you don't, if you'll allow me, Chip. So I think for all the, for all the cops out there, especially the, the newer guys, the Iranians are huge proponents of the IED, right? The homemade bomb.

[29:31] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[29:32] Speaker 2: The device in the package.

[29:33] Speaker 1: Okay.

[29:33] Speaker 2: When you get a call out there for a suspicious package or a suspicious device, you've gotta take it seriously. Don't be the guy that pulls up, gets out of the car, walks up to the backpack that's laying there, and just kicks it or picks it up and throws it into the trunk of your car 'cause you don't know what's inside of it. It's a new world right now as of, you know, five days ago. You've gotta take these calls for these suspicious packages, and you're going to see more and more of these calls. I mean, New York alone, I get all the alerts. They probably had half a dozen of these just yesterday. Take these calls seriously. It could mean the big difference between getting hurt and not getting hurt.

[30:13] Speaker 1: Wow.

[30:13] Speaker 3: I'll, I'll just add one thing, Chip, to that, and that is that since January of 2022 until early 2025, we had 1,650 encounters on the southern border with Iranians reported by CBP. Of that, 729 of them were released into our country. Now, these are just encounters. There's more than that. But also, one of them was actually a sniper in the Iranian army who was caught at the border.And there were... Others were vetted to find out they did have terrorism ties. So these people are in our country. We know it. Where they are, the FBI is working on that now under Pam Bondi, and, uh, at the Justice Department, and Kash Patel. But I gotta tell you, the, the chances of a attack, a soft target, um, or some type of explosive device like Richie was talking about, it's prevalent in this country. We need to keep our heads on a swivel. And you're absolutely right, Chip. Make sure if you- if you're capable of, of carrying a firearm, um, we need more good guns out there than bad guns.

[31:14] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[31:14] Speaker 3: So I agree with you 100%. But, uh, this is real. This threat is real, and I think we need to take it very seriously.

[31:21] Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad you pointed out that we are... we're really, you know, under the gun on this. I, I'm so glad we have Pam Bondi, and we have the new, the new FBI. This is what they excelled at. This is what they did fantastically. Uh, you know, p- they had... There were some hiccups during the Biden administration, but it's the- it is really... It's Trump 2.0, it's our new FBI, Kash Patel, and these guys are, are just killing it, um, it's... They even do better if you're a local sheriff and, and you have a missing person. You have them actually come in and, like, and, like, take over and do the investigation for you, too, you know. They do even better, you know. But, uh, um, yeah, this is where they shine. So I'm, I'm... I, uh, I'm hoping that... Well, I, I got 13 seconds for a commercial break, but I can't... I, I, I hope that they continue to do what they're doing. Guys, we got a commercial break coming up. Stick with us. We'll be right back. All right.

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[32:52] Speaker 1: Now, the founder, Dan O'Kelly's got a deal for you. Uh, if you're a chief or a sheriff, you have your own agency, you can host a seminar for absolutely no cost. It's an amazing opportunity. You go to the GunLearn.com to get more information. Again, that is GunLearn.com. Welcome back. Leo Roundtable at LeoRoundtable.com, the law enforcement talk show. My name is Chip The Block and I'm your host. We're joined by, uh, Secret Service ex Frank Leverage, Rich Deripoli, uh, Lieutenant Chuck Springer from LAPD, Scott Styart, former Green Beret Delta Force operative. And, uh, we've been talking about threats, um, from Iran, actually, and how serious you should take those, and keeping your head on a swivel. And, and actually, Rich brought up a good point about, guys, you see, uh, a- an unknown package, and just going up and picking it up, touching it, kicking it. I mean, I'm waiting for the...

[33:36] Speaker 1: I'm not hoping this to happen, but, you know, there's gonna be a cop somewhere that does something stupid and, and goes up and k- just doesn't take it seriously, and that's how we're gonna find out that there's really something to worry about. So I'm, I'm hoping you guys who are listening to the show, get word to your friends and stuff, that this is out of the norm. Uh, Scott can probably tell you stories about IEDs and all kinds of stuff or knows people who've had... been on the wrong end of that. This is a new world for a lot of us if we- if you're not former military, uh, like myself. I started police work at 21. So this is a whole new, a whole new world that you've gotta be willing to embrace or, or pay heavy consequence. So, um, if you guys are ready, we've got a story, a couple of stories with video components. We got eight and a half minutes left. So if it's okay with you gentlemen, I'm gonna go ahead and pop into our, our first story with a video component.

[34:19] Speaker 1: And it's here in Florida, in Volusia County. So at Rumble.com, our favorite law enforcement video channel called This is Butter, Volusia County sheriff's deputy is saved by his body cam when he ends up being shot twice during a b- a battery investigation.

[34:33] Speaker 8: Hey, Sheriff's Office. How are you doing? What do you want, bud? (door slams) (dog barking) (knocking) (door opens) (dog barking) (gunfire) . Call 5, call 5, call 5! (gunfire) Yo, you good? Yeah, I'm good. You okay? Down here. Hey, give me a second. Wait, wait till you- No, it's behind you. You, you got the face? I got a tourniquet on. Just give me another tourniquet, please. Yes, I am. That's what I'm getting. CEO. Hold it. I got lethal. You've got hand on, right? No Señora. Police train 20-45. Hang on, hang on. You gotta go, go, go, go. Make contact. 10-4. I'm coming back. Clear that. Hold on.

[35:35] Speaker 8: Hold-

[35:35] Speaker 1: Uh, this cop... There were two cops there. Um, they could both be dead. I mean, and, and arguably maybe, maybe should be, just because not, not necessarily that they did anything wrong, but this bad guy got such a jump on them. Uh, we're in Deltona, Florida. This is in, uh, Volusia County, uh, jurisdiction. So we have a Volusia County deputy still recovering after being shot twice while responding to a call, um, on Monday. Um, I know that they show a picture of the body cam getting struck, and I know that it appeared that he was shot in the leg, and then when they're walking away, the blood coming out, and they say, "Ah, you're shot in the arm too." So I'm assuming that the bullet, since they said he was shot twice, not three, I'm assuming that it... maybe it deflected and, uh, and, and, and went, you know, into one of those spots. But, um, Deputy Jose Rivera was struck twice, and the bullet hitting his body-worn camera likely prevented more serious injury.

[36:24] Speaker 1: Uh, during a press conference on Tuesday, Volusia County Sheriff Mike Chitwood, heard nothing but great things about him, showed body camera footage from a deputy capturing the incident as it happened, because there was a, uh... The, the main body camera in the beginning was not... It, it was, it was of a- another deputy. Uh, but during the encounter, the shooter fired 12 bullets at responding officers, 12 rounds. He used a nine millimeter handgun that was initially purchased legally. On February the 14th, the shooter reportedly asked an AI chat program.... uh, whether he could shoot somebody if they entered his property. And the sheriffs gave an update on the deputy's condition after the shooting. He said that he's in good spirits, and he's still in the hospital recovering. And, uh, he said that, uh, he was watching... We got to have a, an, an intervention with this deputy. He's watching SpongeBob, eating chicken and waffles when the sheriff shows up at the hospital.

[37:14] Speaker 1: Uh, but the deputy's anticipated to leave the hospital, um, uh, you know, eventually as his, uh, recovery progresses. Uh, you know, I'm just looking here at my show notes and stuff. It says that, um, deputies initially arrived to make contact with one suspect, and he, he says, "Hey, man, how are you doing?" Or something like that. And the guy, uh, just bolts in the door and closes the door of the residence. And then the deputy's looking through the glass window and tapping on it, telling the guy, "Come back to the door." And the guy does, but when he does, now he comes out, you know, with the, uh, with the pistol. And he exits and fires 12 shots. And now the deputies are just like, they're just flying to get out of there. Now, th- there's a lot to take in. So right after that, at the 36-second mark, now they, they replay it, but now it's in slow motion so you can, you can see a lot more. Um, this deputy asked for a tourniquet at the 57-second mark.

[38:02] Speaker 1: He appears to have been shot in the leg, but as they're walking away, like I said earlier, they see blood coming out of the arm and they put a tourniquet on that too. Um, and, and then they show a picture of the body cam, you know, uh, uh, being struck, maybe deflecting it. They put the, the deputy in the back of a cruiser in, in a cage. You know, not a lot of room back there, to haul back to the hospital. And, uh, and then at the end, at 3:02, uh, deputies move in to arrest the suspect, and they have an air service video as they're extracting people out of the residence. So, um, commentary on this, guys? Chuck Springer?

[38:35] Speaker 6: Yeah. Hey, first of all, thankfully they're okay. Um, and again, you know, I gotta throw out my disclaimers. I, I haven't talked to the officers. I don't know what their statements are. We haven't viewed evidence. There's a couple things that kinda concerned me when I saw this video. Uh, you know, th- the guy ducks back into the house, uh, right as they're walking up. I- at that point, my Spidey senses are on full alert. And looking at the body language from the one deputy, y- you know, he had his hands up on his vest here. It didn't look like he was taking this as seriously as I would've. You know, my hand would've been down by my gun. Uh, number two, the guy comes out shooting. You know, God forbid that ever happens to anybody, but you're now in a straight-up gunfight. You're, you're right there and you gotta start fighting the guy. Uh, you know, turning around and running has an instinct component to it, but you're turning your back to the suspect.

[39:30] Speaker 6: Uh, you know, again, I haven't talked to these guys. That's just kinda what I'm taking from, from the video. Um, and, again, thankfully they're okay. And, you know, why this guy isn't dead, I don't know, but it is what it is. The other thing is, you know, I don't even know if they ever got these tourniquets on this guy properly. Um, get the tourniquets on them before you try to put them in the car. Um, it didn't look like they actually... They got the tourniquet around the limbs, but they didn't really tighten it up and, you know, do everything you gotta do to stop the blood. So, if you're not adequately or properly applying the tourniquet, you're, you're not doing any good. But, uh, you know, thankfully he's okay.

[40:13] Speaker 1: Yeah. Good point.

[40:14] Speaker 4: Yeah. And, and, and to add to that, so watching that, it, it reminded me, it brought back memories of when I was shot overseas a little bit, because, um, for me it was, uh, unpre- it was unexpected. I mean, we knew there were bad guys there. We'd already been in a gunfight. But I got shot in the arm, it hit, hit bone immediately. I am ineffective, right? I have my, my rifle up, now I have one hand on it, I'm really ineffective. Which is why it's so important. And I, and I did that. I turned out of the way, I got out of the, in front of the window, got out of the way. But that's why you have other people there, right? I mean, you can't do it all. I mean, it's just... You know, and, and when, when I saw that, if, if they just would've set up on the door a little bit better, there's no reason to be one behind the other. You know, spread out a little bit. When that guy comes out with a gun in his hand, he can only shoot one person at a time.

[41:08] Speaker 4: That's the opportunity for the other guy to, to take him out while he's just blasting at this other guy. So I think the way they approached the door and how they, um, positioned themselves by the door could have been better. And to your point on, on, on the tourniquet, I agree. I mean, the tourniquet, I, when it was put on me, it was more painful than the gunshot. I mean, it was horrible when it's done wrong, you know. So, um, so yeah, I think, I think there was a little bit, like maybe they could go back and do, and do some training on that, because I think everybody was amped up, and there was a lot of people that were, like, dealing with this one guy, and there was tourniquets everywhere. And it's like, hey, what's going on over here with the guy, you know? But again, I wasn't there. I don't know how, how many were on, on scene. But it just seemed like they kind of left that alone, and everybody was worried about this guy.

[41:51] Speaker 4: Which is, yeah, it's important, but it's more important to make sure that that, that the bad guy's not gonna come out and create more casualties. Like, that's, that's the number one thing, is to eliminate the threat first and then deal with casualties. So yeah. I mean, it... A little bit. But I mean, in hindsight, everything's tw- is, everything's 20/20. Uh, but when you get shot right off the bat and you know, like, you can't do anything at, at that moment, I always go back to, like, we never did anything in, in Singletons. I would say never, but rarely. I mean, hardly ever. And that's what you rely on your buddy for. He should be there to take up that, uh, threat.

[42:22] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Richie?

[42:25] Speaker 2: Well, I think, you know, part of the problem, and I totally agree with what Scott's saying, um, but part of the problem is, and you're seeing this more and more in all the academies, wherever you go in the country, they're so concerned about turning out cops that are gonna engage with the public, whether it's on a car stop or in their home, and, and achieve some level of professionalism, respect, and courtesy, that they've completely forgotten about why you're there in the first place. Before you engage with people, you better be thinking tactically and be thinking a little more aggressively that you don't know what you're walking into. Deal with that first, and then you can worry about the l- the level of respect and courtesy and professionalism. But you can't just walk into somebody's house totally unprepared, especially when you pull up on a guy who ducks back in the house. You don't know what he's doing in there. You've gotta get, uh...

[43:13] Speaker 9: ... more into the mindset, and this has to start at the academy level, of "Hey, I may have to engage with this guy. Shoot him and kill him. Then I'll worry about dealing with what the situation is."

[43:25] Speaker 1: Mm. All good stuff, guys. All good stuff. We're w- coming down to where we're winding it down. Um, any, uh, any final words on, uh, on this last topic before we, uh, before we close it out? All right. Well, some good commentary. Scott, that was some, that was some great stuff. And, uh, guys, thanks so much for being on the show. We really appreciate it. And again, you know, we've got, uh, our two Secret Service ex, Rich Gierepoli, Frank Loveridge, also Lieutenant Chuck Springer from LAPD, and Scott Steier, Green Beret, Delta Force. Some great information, Scott. I usually take this opportunity to talk about The Wounded Blue or thewoundedblue.org. Lieutenant Randy Sutton's 501 (c) (3) , helping cops out in a world of hurt that are suffering from things like PTSD and some other issues, you can go to thewoundedblue.org today. You know, we just had that, uh, fundraiser that we did for them.

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