[00:00] Speaker 1: (Rock music playing) Welcome to Leo Roundtable at leoroundtable.com. My name is Chip DeBlock, and I'm your host for a group of law enforcement professionals that talk about today's news and issues, but we do it from a law enforcement perspective. And yes, you recognize him, we have Captain Brett Bartlett on the show. He is retired from the Tampa Police Department, 32 years of exemplary law enforcement experience, the founder of the, of Exumber Defense Solutions at exumberdefense.com. So, thanks so much for being on the show, Captain. We also wanna mention our sponsors. You know, our title sponsor is Gulls at gulls.com. And we also have complianttechnology.com, or complianttechnologies.com. They have, you know, my favorite product, the Glove. And, and, and Brett's a big fan of the Glove too. Don't let him fool you. And they are our, our streaming sponsor and, um, I, I'm getting it all mixed up today. Satellite, we're on satellite thanks to them.

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[01:29] Speaker 2: I do. I do, and it's a good thing you saved it because it's back.

[01:33] Speaker 1: Things come back around. And so before we went live radio, Brett and I were talking about, um, a conversation that we had, which got, which caused me to move and get, to relaunch Leo Affairs. And so, um, when, you know, when I, when, uh, you know, Preston and I started Leo Affairs, and, you know, when, when, when I incorporated it, it was incorporated as leoaffairs.com LLC. Um, and, and so that's a good thing because here's what happened. I sold leoaffairs.com, but I didn't sell Leo Affairs.

[02:09] Speaker 2: Oh.

[02:09] Speaker 1: So, now I've incorporated Leo Affairs and, uh, without the dotcom, and I can put any, any extension on it that I want. So, that's the key. So, that's why it's leoaffairs.ch.

[02:22] Speaker 2: Good.

[02:23] Speaker 1: So, if people forget the, the CH, it's just the first two letters of my first name, Chip. So, just leoaffairs.ch, and that means that it's hosted in Switzerland, and it's protected by Swiss privacy laws. And that means that what you say, now they're... It is moderated. I mean, I, I gotta tell you that. Uh, we had a posting deleted this morning and one, uh, last night. And that was off the Tampa police message board. Um, so, uh, we do have moderation.

[02:48] Speaker 2: Wow, that comes quick.

[02:49] Speaker 1: But your identity is... Yeah, that was quick. But your identity is, uh, is protected. Um, so yeah, the Swiss privacy laws, they don't give up anything. And the new technology, new software, we're not even grabbing IP addresses, which is a good thing too on the, uh, on the new site. So leoaffairs.ch, check it out to see what it's all about. If you have an agency that you wanna add, there's a, there's a little, uh, button there for you to be able to do that as well. So, check it out guys.

[03:13] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[03:13] Speaker 1: Um, so did you wanna say something, Brett?

[03:16] Speaker 2: I had a few posts... Yeah, I had a few postings about me all those years ago on the, on LEO Affairs. It was very-

[03:22] Speaker 1: What was it about?

[03:23] Speaker 2: ... very cryptic. Uh, I did an investigation. You know, I was the internal affairs captain. I did an investigate- or CIB, I can't remember which one. And the, uh, person we investigated wasn't happy and they posted really... I knew who it was from, but it was very cryptic, just like, oh, really?

[03:38] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[03:38] Speaker 2: But I'm not gonna figure this out. Oh, come on. This is crazy.

[03:43] Speaker 1: You know, people talk about me all the time. You know, you can't, you can't have thin skin and wear your emotions on your sleeve. So, you've gotta have thick skin. And people have talked about me all the time. Um, but, um, but you just gotta, you know, you just, you know, there, when you, when you run a site like this, there's different ways. You can go on, you can go in and post as the owner. I can go in and post as Chip DeBlock, or you can go under an alias and try to stir a conversation i- you know, in a different direction. Sometimes it's advantageous, not necessarily... If you're being talked about, it's always best to let the other people take up for you. If, if, if it's capable to be taken, unless you really screwed it up, you know, let them fight your battles.

[04:22] Speaker 2: Right.

[04:22] Speaker 1: You don't wanna get into a one-on-one if you can avoid it, you know? Uh, but then there's facts too. So we're, we're trying to do the best job we can at moderating. But we've got a great moderation system, so I think we got it down. So, we certainly have had the last 24 years to perfect it. Well, if you're ready, Brett, let's, uh, let's, let's go in and see what kind of stories we're gonna be talking about today. Uh, the first one, Trump vows there will be no DHS funding without Save America Act as the shutdown disruptions grow, but we're gonna talk about where ICE is fitting into all that. Then we got the Supreme Court. They actually reversed a lower court decision on qualified immunity in the State of Vermont. And, uh, it was involving a police sergeant who arrested a protester. So apparently sergeants with some agencies do work, Brett. And then we got the Harris County Sheriff's deputy indicted in 2025, um, in a deadly gas station shooting. Uh, we've got, uh...

[05:14] Speaker 1: Boy, this is gonna be the K9 show. K9 Mako finds a suspect pretending to be a trash bag. (laughs) That's good. We have, uh, a beagle theft suspect taken down and bitten by a Port- uh, Portage County K9. Uh, that was pretty good. Um, we've got, um... I'm gonna skip that one. We've got, uh, a K9 catching a bad guy in a crawl space under a house. That is not anywhere you wa- you wanna be. Uh, we've got Florida Governor DeSantis clashing with sheriffs here in Florida over what they're calling common sense path to citizenship. That is a controversial issue and, and one that Grady Judd has just, um, just changed. He's just flop- or flipped on that one. Uh, we've also got, uh, Baltimore police officers, they fatally shoot a 37-year-old, uh, during a foot chase. And then my favorite, the Florida woman arrested for urinating all over two Airbnbs, uploaded the videos to adult websites, making money from what I understand.That's an interesting story, Brett.

[06:14] Speaker 1: I know you didn't want to start off with that one. But instead, (laughs) let's, let's, let's go somewhere else. And look, we've got Mary Lou Barlow... There's a lot of people on the stream right now, I'm looking, so Betty Dunn and everybody on Facebook and, uh, and also on, looks like YouTube, and over here on Rumble as well. Uh, guys, for... Thanks for watching the show on LinkedIn, we appreciate it. So, uh, without wasting any more time, let's go ahead and get started here. You know, our first story, it is, uh... We have two main stories. This first one's at Tampa Free Press at the tampaFP.com. Trump vows that there will be no DHS funding without the Save America Act. He wants that to pass, and he wants it passed now. And, of course, we're in a partial shutdown. He, uh, upped the ante, um, in the negotiations on Sunday, declaring that he's not gonna support any deal to fund DHS, Department of Homeland Security, until lawmakers pass the Save America Act.

[07:01] Speaker 1: Of course, the Dems have been saying, "Look, we'll... We want to defund, you know, DHS," or, you know, "We want the agents not to be able to wear a mask." And of course, they're getting doxed and they're getting, you know, threatened and, and, and hurt, and families threatened, and it just makes absolutely no sense for the Dems to want to put them in a world of hurt like that. Or we don't want them... I mean, basically, I'm expecting them to have suppo- uh, present legislation that says, "We'll let them do their job as long as they're not armed and have no mace or OC spray, CS gas, or anything like that too." Um, the announcement arrived while the Senate remained locked in a marathon debate over federal elections overhaul bill, and that's what this bill does. It, it makes elections fair and honest.

[07:42] Speaker 1: Although the legislation is a top priority for the Trump administration, it continues to face near impossible odds in the chamber, despite senators working through the weekend to try to hammer out the details of the resolution. The formal talks have hit a temporary standstill. And during all of that, what happened on Monday of this week, ICE showed up at the airports and they're getting it done. They're... A lot of these guys are doing traffic control and stuff and letting the TSA guys, the TSA agents, do what they do best inside the airport, but they're supporting, uh, supplying, uh, support so that these airports can be run, can be run efficiently. We have actually gone, in, in print, from six-hour waits to 30-minute waits. That is just crazy right now because Trump got ICE involved, and guess what? What better place to get illegals than in these freaking airports and stuff? You're limiting their mode of travel and stuff, so the Dems are really losing it. Now, Captain Brett.

[08:37] Speaker 2: Uh, I think I've mentioned this before, but President Trump walks around with a handful, uh, a belt full of, of, of, uh, flashbangs.

[08:44] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Flashbangs? (laughs)

[08:46] Speaker 2: And just about the time they're paying attention to s- he tosses another flashbang and distracts everybody. His latest flashbang is putting federal agents in the airport to relieve those lines, and having them show up without masks so that people understand they're just wren-... The only reason they're wearing masks on the street is because the, the liberals are, are threatening to publish their information, their names and their addresses. Um, but they don't want that in the airport. So, good for him. You know, uh, so many flashbangs have been tossed in the last month or so that poor old Hamas over there in the Gaza Strip must be thinking and yelling, "Hey, hey, uh, hey, we still matter. Hey, hey, don't forget about us over here." And Ukraine is going, "Yeah, yeah, we're, we're right behind them." So... But, you know, in another day or so, Trump's gonna throw another flashbang somewhere and get everybody distracted. He's already got the, uh, the press kicked out of the Pentagon.

[09:39] Speaker 2: They're no longer in the Pentagon. That's another flashbang he just tossed.

[09:42] Speaker 1: So, y- so you're aware of that? So, what Brett's talking about... Look, I only know about that because I read Coffee & COVID, and I don't know if you're still reading Coffee & COVID, but that is... You're giving me thumbs up. Coffee & COVID, the attorney, Jeff Childers in Gainesville, Florida. First thing I do every day. I'm, I'm still in... I'm not even out of bed yet and I'm reading for about 15 minutes, Coffee & COVID at coffeeandcovid.com. Free newsletter. I actually, uh, subscribe so I get the Sunday edition. Uh, but yeah, uh, a judge apparently backed up the... What media outlet was it that, that they, uh, that they banned from the, uh, from the, the corps? And I...

[10:16] Speaker 1: You just muted yourself, Brett, so I can't hear you, but they voted somebody out-

[10:20] Speaker 2: Yeah, it was hard.

[10:21] Speaker 1: ... and, and the judge said they had to allow them back in-

[10:22] Speaker 2: One of the big names. And, so-

[10:23] Speaker 1: ... and so they just pretty much did away with the whole building and said, "Hey, you guys are in a trailer out in the parking lot now."

[10:27] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. They said, "Yeah, we're gonna build an annex. As soon as it's ready, we'll invite you back in."

[10:34] Speaker 1: Yeah, so the judge, ju-

[10:35] Speaker 2: So, yeah. How'd that work out there? ******?

[10:37] Speaker 1: Yeah, not, not too well for the judge, so, uh, so yeah. Good, good point. Well, anything else on this, on this ICE front? Brett, I mean, I, I think you're right. The... It's backfiring on the Dems. It's Trump 2.0. Um, the Dems are playing, are playing 2, 2D chess and Trump, Trump's playing at least 4D chess right now, still.

[10:55] Speaker 2: He, uh, he gets... He's, he's, uh, he's six moves ahead right now. As soon as they get close, he's gonna toss another flashbang.

[11:03] Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, people need to start acknowledging that Trump is really way ahead of the game and he's accomplishing what he wants. This whole thing with Iran, there's so many good things that are going on because of it, um, that we will, uh, you know, we'll be discussing for, for decades to come. Uh, we've got less than a minute before we go to our first commercial break, so let me go in and whet the, uh, whet the appetite with the second main story. Uh, foxnews.com, Supreme Court re- reverses a lower court on a qualified immunity issue for the state of Vermont. A police sergeant arrested a protester and a lower court, uh, took away the qualified immunity because you have to qualify for it. These people that want cops to lose qualified immunity, it... They forget that the first word is called qualified. You have to qualify for it. And if you're talking about, you know, judges or prosecutors, that's called absolute immunity. You don't have to qualify for that.

[11:50] Speaker 1: But people that, that argue that, they're, they're upset about the wrong thing, and they, and they, they're just not smart enough to get it. Qualified, you have to qualify. Be upset about, about the other version of qua- of, uh, of immunity, and that's called absolute. Guys, our first commercial break. We'll be right back.

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[13:05] Speaker 1: Welcome back. Leo Roundtable? Leo Roundtable at leoroundtable.com. And look, we left off with a story, foxnews.com, "Supreme Court reverses the lower court on qualified immunity for Vermont police sergeant who arrested a protester." And here's what happened. Supreme Court on Monday, they ruled that a Vermont State Police sergeant is entitled to qualified immunity in a lawsuit that was brought by a protester who said that she was injured, so a female protester, when an officer used a wrist lock to remove her from a sit-in at a state capitol, and, at the state capitol in, in Vermont. So it already tells you that the first question I always ask with every use of force is, was the bad guy compliant? If they were not, guess what? They're a bad guy. The female that we're talking about here, um, bad guy, and she was noncompliant. They used a simple wrist lock to get her to move because she refused him.

[13:57] Speaker 1: In an unsigned, uh, opinion, the court reversed the second, uh, US District Court of Appeals for the second DCA in Zorn versus Linton, holding that the existing precedent did not clearly establish that the Sergeant Jacob Zorn's specific conduct violated the Constitution. So the Sergeant Jacob Zorn is the one that did the wrist lock on this female. The Second Circuit held, and this is the one that ruled against him, by the way, they said the sergeant was not entitled to qualified immunity, and that was read by the majority. There were three liberal justices dissenting, rejecting excess use of force arguments and, um, and they say that we reverse. So the justice said that officers are generally shielded from civil liability unless prior case law put the unlawfulness of their actions beyond debate. So if you get that, that means that there was prior case law saying what you're doing is, is wrong and, you know, you should have known about it, but you did it anyhow.

[14:55] Speaker 1: Now, beyond the Second Circuit, which is the ones that took away the qualified immunity from the sergeant, they failed to identify a specific case where an officer that did something similar was held w- was, uh, to have, uh, violated the Constitution. And so they didn't do that. Sergeant Zorn was entitled to qualified immunity according to the ruling. We grant his petition, uh, for writ of certiorari and reverse the judgment of the Second Circuit. So the Second Circuit got spanked by the Supreme Court. The, uh, case arose from a 2015 sit-in. It was healthcare protesters. They were at the Vermont Capitol, and Governor Peter Shumlin, it's his inauguration day. And after the building closed, the police move in to arrest the demonstrators because they were still refusing to leave. And according to the opinion, protester Sheila Linton remained seated and her arms were linked with other people, so they were locked in.

[15:48] Speaker 1: So the sergeant warned her, and he said that, "Hey, I'm gonna use force," and he takes her arm, places it behind her back, applies pressure to her wrist, lifts her to her feet. Linton later sued alleging physical and psychological injuries, which is BS. The Supreme Court said the Second Circuit relied too heavily on its earlier decision in Amnesty America versus West Hartford, finding the case did not clearly establish that, quote, "Using a routine wrist lock to move a resistant protester after warning her without more violates the Constitution." Unquote. So I guess, Brett, they'd rather see you whip out that expandable metal baton and beat her with a metal pipe. I mean, really. On that basis, the justice concluded that the sergeant was entitled to qualified immunity, and they reversed the lower court, thank God. Now, Justice Sonia Sotomayor dissented, and also joined by Justice Elena Kagan and Justice Brown Jackson. Now, Sotomayor, she argued that the court...

[16:43] Speaker 1: and you're gonna l- this is gonna make you smile, Brett. She argued... now, so she dissented, so this means that she thinks that the sergeant should not have qualified immunity, that he should be able to get sued for his actions for doing a simple wrist lock, which is very basic DT stuff and very, uh, and, and, and very, uh, easy on the bad guy. Um, she said that, or argued, um, that, uh, the court had improperly stepped in with the extra- extraordinary remedy of a summary reversal, said that a jury could find the officer used excessive force against a nonviolent protester engaged in passive resistance. Um, she said a jury could find that Zorn, the sergeant, violated Linton's clearly established Fourth Amendment rights.

[17:27] Speaker 1: She said, "The majority today gives officers license to inflict gratuitous pain on a nonviolent protester even where there is no threat to officer safety and any other reason to do so." Wow, that's almost like saying ISIS is gonna show up at airports and gonna shoot and kill people.

[17:46] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. How silly is that? You know, I, I think you said it. Laying hands on somebody and twisting their wrists behind their back, their own back, that's the most innocuous little thing you could do when it comes to making an arrest. And, and this lady-

[17:59] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[17:59] Speaker 2: ... had a choice when she was told she was under arrest, uh, "Comply with my orders." She could have complied. And so sometimes the application of pain is the only way to force people to comply. Not overly. Don't shoot her in the back. Don't hit her with a nightstick, but grab her arm, put it behind her back. That is, that's just, that's the ab- absolute bare least we were ever taught. And if they-

[18:21] Speaker 1: Yep.

[18:21] Speaker 2: ... take away, if they say in that instance an officer doesn't have qualified immunity, it's time for everybody to go home.

[18:27] Speaker 1: Yeah. No, you're right. You know, here we finally have an officer going hands-on and he's using an approved defensive tactics move, one that we teach till we're blue... you know, blue in the face and, and this guy's using it. You know, I mean, you know, wrist locks and arm bars and all the stuff. Wh- when was the last time you saw an effective use of that? This sergeant showed up on the scene, did what he was supposed to do. And, and you're right, it's an Oculus, Bret. You know, we're not trying to hurt the bad guy. And it was as much force necessary to get the job done. It worked. He didn't have to beat her. They didn't have to spray her and... They're all locked in, so it would have... There would have been, you know, cross contamination between people. Man, this is isolated to the bad girl that was not following orders, non-compliant, and, uh, and she has one person to thank for that happening, it's herself for not following orders.

[19:13] Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, the, the next step down from that is simply for the officer to walk away, and that's not gonna happen.

[19:19] Speaker 1: Yeah. So, yeah.

[19:21] Speaker 2: You know, the people that... Who's offended here is the people of that state who, through the legislative process, have given that officer certain powers. So when that woman defied the officer, she defied the people in that state who voted for the people who are making the laws and for the governor who enacted the laws. She's bowing up to the entire state.

[19:45] Speaker 1: Yeah. No doubt, good way to put it. All right, so we're less than a minute out from going to our next commercial break. So let's see where we're going next. We have a, um... Well, we have a Harris County sheriff's deputy indicted in 2025 in a deadly gas station shooting. I remember this, Bret, because we covered it. Khou.com and this is in Houston, Texas. So I'll whet the appetite here, this Houston County deputy now facing termination and a murder charge after the deadly shooting that drew scrutiny and raised questions about use of force decisions. It's a female deputy that was involved in this and I remember specifically when it went down. So when we come back from a commercial break, we're going to dive into this and, uh, yeah, she's looking at being fired and prosecuted. Stick with us, guys. We'll be right back. All right, guys, it's time to talk about Compliant Technologies at complianttechnologies.com.

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[21:20] Speaker 1: Go to the compliantetechnologies.com today and tell them that Chip and Bret sent you. Again, that is compliantetechnologies.com. You'll be glad that you did and watch the cool videos. Welcome back. Leo Roundtable at leoroundtable.com. My name is Chip Devlock and I'm your host. We're joined by Captain Bret Bartlett and, you know, the founder of Exemplar Defense Solutions at exemplardefense.com. So I think that we left off talking about the Harris County Sheriff's deputy indicted in 2025 for this, uh, deadly ga... Did we get to that one yet, Bret, or did we... were we on the other one?

[21:51] Speaker 2: No, we, we just... I think we were just talking about it. Were just talking about it, but we need to follow up.

[21:55] Speaker 1: All right, let's try the female off-... the female officer. So we're i- i- it's in the Houston area. So a Harris County deputy now facing termination and a murder charge. So the Harris County Sheriff's Office are the ones involved and there was an administrative disciplinary committee and they recommended termination for Deputy Eilenez Jiminez-Barboza after an internal investigation found that she violated multiple policies in connection with the 2025 shooting death of 36-year-old Lavincer Swanson. Now, Bret, I have a problem with this out the gate because she's facing... Well, they've already done the freaking IA on her and she's facing a murder, a murder charge. I mean, you know, they're doing it in reverse order. What's up with that?

[22:40] Speaker 1: I mean-

[22:41] Speaker 2: Th- they should, they should let, let the state decide what it's going to do first and then, and then go, you know...

[22:46] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, th- the thing... And, and people watch the show. What you want to avoid and what you s- s- statute-wise, what you have to avoid, you know, when you have an administrative process like Internal Affairs, and then you've got a, a criminal process in the court system, you want to... There, there's certain things that are, are, are divulged in, in the, in, in the rules of procedure and evidence are different in the, in these two different studies, administrative and, and, and legal and, and criminal.

[23:10] Speaker 2: Yup.

[23:10] Speaker 1: And so you don't want anything popping up on the administrative side, uh, to unduly influence the criminal side.

[23:17] Speaker 2: No.

[23:17] Speaker 1: And that's why you typically, um, do criminal first and when it's exhausted or it's done-

[23:22] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[23:22] Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes the, makes the-

[23:24] Speaker 2: I mean, here's... What if, what if, what if she had said, in the IM phase, what if she had said... Now, she's under duress. She has to give testimony on the administrative. What if she said, "I intentionally meant to kill that guy."

[23:38] Speaker 1: Okay.

[23:38] Speaker 2: They can't charge her in, in, uh, criminal court. She was forced to give that information, okay?

[23:43] Speaker 1: It's, it's-

[23:43] Speaker 2: And here's the deal. Uh, "I'm, I'm the chief, you have to follow my orders. You have to answer these questions."

[23:48] Speaker 1: Or be fired.

[23:48] Speaker 2: That's why it's always, well, mostly always, criminal first and then administrative second. Now, here's my beef with her. If I'm on the ground fighting a bad guy, you can't help me if you're standing up. You can't help-

[24:01] Speaker 1: Well, we haven't even gotten to that part yet, but (laughs) but I'll, I'll be... But, but, but yeah, you're, you're right. So, so that, with that said, um, let's, uh, let's get into this. So she... The Harris County Sheriff's Office, they said that they had... The disciplinary committee, um, they recommended termination for her, Eilenez Jiminez-Barboza and they found that she violated multiple policies in connection with the 2025 shooting death of the 36-year-old bad guy, Lavincer Swanson. He was a bad guy. Now, according to the sheriff's office, the recommendation came on Thursday, March the 19th. Now, the deputy, uh, Ei- Ei- Eileen Barboza, 36 years old, she had been placed on a non-law enforcement duty immediately after the shooting, and she remained in that role until the termination decision. So they already knew, you know, something was up with her. But she had been with the sheriff's office since 2010, um, and, uh, let's see.

[24:51] Speaker 1: So 2010 and this happened, uh-This happened, uh, I'm trying to think of here the year this happened. In 2020, uh, 2025. Okay. So, it happened, wow, 15 years after she came on. So, she had enough time under her belt to get a decent training. The same day, a Harris County grand jury indicted her in, on, on a charge of murder. Now, the shooting happened three o'clock in the morning, February the 27th, 2025. It was at an Exxon gas station. Deputies responded to a disturbance call reporting that the guy was damaging gas pumps, and they said, "Hey, this man's hitting the pumps, tearing the pumps up." And, uh, that's when the 911 caller said, said, "Oh my God, he, he, he's just jacking the whole place up, (laughs) tearing up all the pumps." Now, there's surveillance video of this guy. Lavincer Swanson, he's ripping gas pumps out of the holders, damaging equipment, and then body cam shows deputies repeatedly ordering this guy to get on the ground as they attempt to detain him.

[25:42] Speaker 1: "Get on the ground or I'm gonna tase you, get on the ground." And that's when a deputy's yelling, "Put your hands behind your back. Get on your stomach. Get on your stomach." Now, authorities said that Swanson or Bad Guy became combative during the encounter, resisted deputies trying to handcuff him. At one point, uh, it shows a stun gun being used during the struggle, but Swanson ends up grabbing it and falls to the ground. As the circulate, as the situation escalates, female deputy can be heard warning, uh, before opening fire, and she said, "Let him go, dude. I'm about to," expletive, "shoot you. Let him go." She's talking to the male deputy fighting the bad guy. "Let him go. Oh my God, I don't want to," expletive, "shoot him. Let him go." And then Swanson was shot in the torso, later died at the hospital. The sheriff's office previously released body cam on this one, which we covered back in April of 2025.

[26:29] Speaker 1: The IA investigation reviewed the deputy's actions leading to the disciplinary recommendation announced this week. The Harris County District Attorney's Office has been conducting a separate independent investigation, um, which is standard in cases involving deadly force, uh, by the law, by law enforcement. So, I am not impressed at all with how they're handling this from what we've already said on this. Captain Bartlett.

[26:50] Speaker 2: Well, like I mentioned earlier, I saw the video. Of course, the video, we understand the video doesn't show everything. It doesn't show fear, doesn't say, show state of mind or perspective. But if, if, if the, the male officer's wrestling this guy on the ground, trying to get his hands behind the back, the female officer standing up cannot help if she's standing up. It just, it's just not gonna work. Okay? You've got to get down. You've got to grab a hand. And, uh, they brought in, I saw the, the, uh, the news, um, from that, and they brought in a expert witness. I don't know his background, but I, I agree with the guy that... One thing I agree with is you can't help me if you're standing up and I'm fighting the guy on the ground. You just can't help me. Okay? And the only thing you can do if you're standing up is maybe use that deadly force because if you come down and help me and grab an arm, then I don't have to use that much force on the bad guy, right?

[27:36] Speaker 2: We're two of us, not one of us. I just, I, I don't know. Uh, and just because you got 20 years on doesn't mean you're good. It can mean you have one year 20 times over. Doesn't mean you're, doesn't mean you're trained, doesn't mean you're able. It just means that you've managed to work 20 years. Um.

[27:52] Speaker 1: Yeah. I understand.

[27:52] Speaker 2: But, but again, you know, if, if there's something we're missing, I would certainly change my opinion.

[27:57] Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't see her engaging. There was a reluctance to go hands-on. She was more comfortable watching the, her male counterpart going hands-on, and just kind of moving out of the way, keeping her distance instead of going in there and delivering strikes and stuff, you know? It's just, uh, disappointing. Um, she certainly did not help push the 30-30 initiative to get 30% of female law enforcement, um, in place by the year 2030. Um, huge setback for them. And, uh, I, I, I don't... I don't know how I feel about the criminal charge, the murder charge.

[28:29] Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily-

[28:29] Speaker 2: Right.

[28:29] Speaker 1: ... on the bandwagon with that. Um, I think that, look, sh- there's a tra- there's... I'm not saying this is entirely a training issue 'cause I don't believe that, but there is certainly a, a training component to this, uh, in, in issue. Do I think that she belongs in law enforcement? That is a clear no. Uh, but I, I wish they would've done the criminal first and then, you know what? When she's charged and, and, and loses her job, it's easy to fire her after the fact instead of... You know, you're muddying the waters now, and if anything makes it into the criminal trial from the administrative and then it jeopardizes the conviction, uh, you know, maybe that's gonna be good for her. I, like I said, I don't necessarily believe that she should be charged with murder for this, but she needs to get out of that job. So.

[29:11] Speaker 2: Now, if, if you're fighting a guy on the ground and I'm standing over you, and, and you're seeing something I don't see and you're yelling at me, "Shooting, shooting," I might tend to do that.

[29:21] Speaker 1: That's a good point.

[29:21] Speaker 2: I, I-

[29:21] Speaker 1: That's a good point.

[29:21] Speaker 2: ... might do that. If, if you're standing over me and all we're doing is struggling on the ground and your gun is out, and I'm not real sure about your ability to shoot accurately anyway, please don't shoot that gun.

[29:31] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[29:33] Speaker 2: And then, and then-

[29:34] Speaker 1: Well, you-

[29:34] Speaker 2: ... don't, don't display your attitude.

[29:37] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[29:37] Speaker 2: Which is, "I don't want to shooting." What kind of crap is that? You either do it or you don't.

[29:42] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[29:42] Speaker 2: There's, there's no "I don't want to" anything.

[29:45] Speaker 1: Well, you're gonna find out on Monday how good of a shot I am, Captain Brett, so I'm gonna prove you wrong. I'm gonna prove you, prove you wrong.

[29:52] Speaker 2: Make sure you bring ammo for two tries.

[29:54] Speaker 1: Yeah. (laughs) I'm, I'm shooting with the new, the new SIG 365, FYI. Just so you know. All right.

[30:02] Speaker 2: That's all right. I got a, I got a 366, so don't worry about it.

[30:06] Speaker 1: Yeah, you got that little 320 still. All right, guys. Uh, look, let's, uh, let's go to a canine video if you can. I, I, I'm excited. I, I would like to get through the canine videos and then maybe cover the, uh, the girl that likes to urinate. Uh, so rumble.com, our favorite law enforcement video channel. This is better. Canine Mako, he finds a suspect pretending to be a trash bag. (dog barking) (officer commanding dog in Spanish) (officer cheering) Good boy, buddy.

[30:37] Speaker 2: Hands, hands, hands.

[30:39] Speaker 1: Hey, come over here to me. Come over here.

[30:41] Speaker 2: Hands.

[30:41] Speaker 1: Get up. Get up. Get up. Get on the ground. Get on the ground. ******* anybody.

[30:45] Speaker 2: Put your hands up.

[30:46] Speaker 1: Hands behind your back, okay?

[30:49] Speaker 2: Put your hands up. Keep your hands up. (dog barking)

[30:56] Speaker 1: Wow, we got three, three really good K-9 videos. Indian River, Florida. Watch as K-9 Mako tracks a suspect wanted on multiple drug charges after fleeing on foot. 21 year old, Omarion Hodges, our bad guy, not that smart though, taken into the custody by the Indian River County Sheriff's Office Special Investigations Unit. K-9 is on the scent. Goes over some bagge- just a bunch of bags of tra- black trash bags, plastic, you know, the typical black trash bags, you know, tied up at the top. K-9 goes in there and starts grabbing at one of the trash bags and lo and behold, there was a freaking bad guy hiding in the middle of 'em. Uh, I thought that worked out pretty well, Brett. That was good, kudos for the K-9.

[31:37] Speaker 2: Yeah. And, and good for the bad guy for at least trying something. You know, that would be, that would suck though if that guy had picked up that can of throat in the back of that, that, uh, garbage truck and that little thing came along and mashed him up in there. So yeah. Good for the bad guy.

[31:52] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[31:53] Speaker 1: That may not have been too, worked out, too good. So in contrast, we have another one. Uh, rumble.com. This is Butter again. Beagle theft suspect taken down and bitten by a Portage County K-9.

[32:02] Speaker 3: Show me your hands! Get on the ground! Get on the ground! Get them off me. Show me your- Get on the ground! Get them off me. Get on the ground right now. Get them off me. Dude, it's- Get them off me. Get on the ground! I'm trying! Get on the ground! I can't bro. Get on the ground! Get them off me. Get on the ground! I am! Put your- Get them off. On the ground. Get them off me. Put your chest- Stop biting me. Dude. Give me your other hand and I'll take them off. I can't. Give me your hand! Get them off. Get them the fuck off. Just give me your hand! Get them off. Just give me your hand! I can't. Just give me your hand and I will get him off of you! Get them off. No. Fuck, it's gonna hurt me. Give me your hand! I am, bro! You're letting the dog bite me. I'm beating his case. Bro! He's getting to my mouth. Stop moving your hand! I'm trying, bro. Stop! No! You're gonna kill me. Dude! Flip your hand! Get them off. Give me your hand! Get them off. I will get them off- Get them off. ...

[33:10] Speaker 3: as soon as you give me your hand. Put my hand in the cuff, bro. Get them off. Dude. Bro, my hand's in a cuff. (inaudible) Give me the hand. Bro! You're letting him get- 'Cause you're not giving me your hand! I'm trying, bro. Get him off me, dude. I'm- Get them off. He's got me fucked. Give me your hand. Dude, I said give me your fucking hand! I'm trying to get the dog off! Call it in American. No! I'm gonna die. I'm gonna die.

[33:45] Speaker 3: I'm gonna die because-

[33:46] Speaker 1: So Portage County, Ohio. So this guy's in custody after deputies say, uh, he led them on a foot chase after being, uh, apprehended by a K-9 on Wednesday. Uh, he, he was finally arrested. According to the Portage County Sheriff's Office, deputies got multiple reports on March 18th of a suspicious vehicle. Uh, the caller reported the suspect had abandoned the car, was attempting to steal another one while armed with a gun. So attempted carjacking. Deputies start, uh, searching the Roots Town- Township and, uh, the agency's PACE unit, whatever that stands for, locates the suspect, who then flees on foot. Now they got K-9 Hector jumping in to pursue the suspect. And we're gonna find out what happened when we come back from commercial break. It's gonna be worth the wait. Commercial break, we'll be right back. All right, guys. Time to talk about Gunlearn at gunlearn.com and hey, they were thrilled to announce an exciting new partnership with Smarter Degree.

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[35:18] Speaker 1: You can start the day with online training or you can register to attend a live seminar. Go to gunlearn.com to get more information, especially if you have your own agency and want to host a seminar at no cost. Gunlearn.com. Welcome back. Leo Roundtable at leoroundtable.com, the law enforcement talk show. My name is Chip The Block and I'm your host. We're joined by Captain Brett Bartlett with 32 years of exemplary service. And we left off talking about a vehicle theft suspect taken down and bitten by a Portage County K-9, and yes, that's in Ohio. So according to the Portage County Sheriff's Office, after getting multiple reports of a suspicious vehicle, the bad guy abandoned the vehicle, he's trying to carjack another car. So we've got the Roots Township area agencies, they got the PACE unit involved and guy takes off on foot. So a deputy along with his K-9 partner called K-9 Hector, they start chasing the bad guy. K-9, um, takes him into custody shortly afterwards.

[36:08] Speaker 1: The suspect has been identified as Daniel Summers and during the investigation, deputies determined that the vehicle that he abandoned was actually reported stolen. And the vehicle keys were found where in his possession at the time. So not much of an argument there. Now, going to my, my study notes here. Um, the suspect now, they had seen him with a gun, so he's believed to be armed and he ran from deputies. Uh, and you can see the dog's ahead of the, ahead of the handler. And you can see right at the moment he goes and he, he's kind of like dancing around with the bad guy and then he, then he gets a, a bite on him and, and, and he, and he's holding the bad guy in place. And so I have down that at the 45 second mark, the suspect, um, he's running from the deputy and now he's being bitten at the 45 second mark and it's at 3:01 that deputy gets the guy handcuffed and the dog is released at, at 10 seconds later at 3:11.

[37:02] Speaker 1: So we've actually got, um, a good amount of time to where our bad guy is, um, is being bitten and eaten and stuff. So, uh, I, I had... I was getting some enjoyment out of watching this one. How about you, captain?

[37:14] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[37:14] Speaker 1: That little house dog put his hand behind his back, didn't he?

[37:17] Speaker 5: Well, you know, when a dog has tried to chew your shoulder off-

[37:20] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[37:20] Speaker 5: ... I, I, I'm not really, I'm not really gonna give that guy my hand if, if every time I extend it, the dog's gonna eat it. We've talked about this before. I don't... You know, if I'm getting eaten by a dog-

[37:29] Speaker 1: Come on, you're smiling.

[37:31] Speaker 5: ... I'm, I'm in a, I'm in a fight or flight right there and I'm gonna... I don't wanna be eaten, so I'm not really listening to your orders. I'm gonna... My brain's going, "Buddy, you're about to get digested by a K9. Do what you gotta do to save yourself."

[37:44] Speaker 1: Well, I hope more w- bad guys watch this video and they comply instead of, you know, the other route this guy took.

[37:49] Speaker 5: I, I hope they comply too, but just imagine if that dog was on your arm. I don't know how many hundreds of pounds of pressure on your arm, and somebody's telling you to do something with that arm.

[38:01] Speaker 1: No, I get it. But, you know, we've all been bit... You've been bi- bitten by K9s, right?

[38:05] Speaker 5: Yeah, but I... Not for that amount of time. I kind of gave up a lot sooner than that.

[38:10] Speaker 1: (laughs) All right. Our third K9 story, rumble.com again. This is Butters from the channel. K9 catches a career criminal when he tries to hide in a crawl space under a house after eluding Flagler deputies. We're back over here in Florida.

[38:34] Speaker 6: Attaboy! Come out with your hands up! Put your hands up now! Come out with your hands up! Come out with your hands up! Attaboy! Come out, do it now! Come out, do it now! Roll out! Come out! Roll out! You gotta crawl out. The dog won't come out until you crawl out. Roll out! Attaboy! Get out! Attaboy! Attaboy! No, get him out, get him out. Attaboy! Keep crawling! Attaboy! Keep going! Ow! Don't move. Don't move. Wait, watch the dog, watch the dog, watch the dog. Position, reposition. Position. Roll back over that way. Don't move. Don't move. Joseph, show hands, I'll have it.

[39:19] Speaker 3: Don't move.

[39:20] Speaker 7: I promise. I had enough. I'm sorry I fucked up. I'm sorry, sir. Please help. Put the dog off me. Dog off.

[39:28] Speaker 6: Roll over.

[39:29] Speaker 7: On your stomach. Attaboy! Back down. Attaboy! Don't move. Attaboy!

[39:35] Speaker 5: Up by Flagler University, so Flagler County. Deputies in Flagler say that they're forced to use a K9 to capture the career criminal. Delanda resident, James Myers, he's 33 years old, was arrested, um, on a Monday after deputies said he fled a traffic stop in a stolen pickup truck. What is it with these stolen... These guys, these car thieves running and they're getting bit by the K9s? Investigators say that the bad guy, Myers, led deputies on a high speed chase, crashes, attempts to hide under the home. So he's traveling 92 in a 30 mile an hour zone before crashing the truck in a ditch. The Flagler County Sheriff's Office releases K9 Uno, uh, to get Myers to come out from the home's crawl space. They send him in, and then you hear the screaming begin. Myers eventually crawls out to the deputies. They're saying, "Hey, you gotta crawl out." They're not gonna go in and get him.

[40:17] Speaker 5: He's gotta crawl out with the dog attached to his arm, so he's gotta dr- he's gotta drag the dog out from under the house with him, and you can't move around in those little crawl spaces. I, I mean, I hate to go in those things. And, uh, we got Sheriff Rick S- uh, Scalies over there. So Myers, the bad guy, was transported to AdventHealth Palm Coast for medical clearance before he's booked into the Flagler County Jail. He faces charges of grand theft of a motor vehicle, fleeing and eluding, habitual driving with a suspended license, and resisting arrest without violence, dangerous excessive speeding, and reckless driving. So, yeah, they, uh, they booked him. Booked him pretty good. Captain Brett. Ouch. I, you know, I just... "Show me your hands. Come out." No, I, I don't, I don't think I can. Thank you for asking, though, but there's a, there's a dinosaur eating me alive and I don't think I can comply with your request.

[41:06] Speaker 5: Uh, I, I don't know what the officer was seeing, but, and again, I don't know anything about K9s other than I've seen them work. And, but that officer let the K9 go into that area. It looked to me kind of not knowing where the dog was gonna end up going. I don't know, unless he could see something I couldn't. But, you know, I, I don't know if he lost... if you can lose control of the dog in that situation where you can't see what the dog's doing.

[41:29] Speaker 5: But that was just my perspective

[41:30] Speaker 1: Doesn't matter. Doesn't really matter, Brett.

[41:32] Speaker 5: I don't know.

[41:33] Speaker 1: Doesn't really matter. I mean, you know, just think. If they're, the more screaming, the more clicks we get, the, the, the more exciting it is to cover, you know, does it really matter?

[41:41] Speaker 5: I guess. Just don't ask me to obey your commands while I'm being-

[41:45] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[41:46] Speaker 5: ... going down the gullet of a K9.

[41:48] Speaker 1: You know, the bad guys have one guy that thinks it's themselves, forget themselves in this, in this situation, but, you know-

[41:53] Speaker 5: It's true.

[41:54] Speaker 1: One, one of the videos we had, the guy actually flipped and he flipped the K9 that was biting him on one of these, on one of the ones before this. But, but the dog never let go. On this one, you're not flipping, you know, you're not... Actually, you know what? That might have happened when the guy came out from under the crawl space. It, that may have happened a- after he got out. But, you know, you're, there's no flipping going on. You can barely move. You can't sit up. You can crawl. Could you imagine this dog just in, in that kind of a... It's kind of like being in a coffin. You know, you just can't do anything to, to undo that. And luckily, he was able...

[42:24] Speaker 1: I mean, look, he chose to go in the crawl space, so the downside is that-

[42:28] Speaker 5: Oh, yeah. You're right.

[42:29] Speaker 1: ... we've had bad gu- we've had dogs... We've had bad guys stab and shoot dogs in crawl spaces and the handler is at a huge disadvantage on what can he do to save the dog?

[42:37] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[42:37] Speaker 1: You know, so, um-So, we- we gotta cover this next story, Brett. I- I- I know you may have issues with it. But RBMnews.com, "Florida woman arrested for urinating all over two Airbnb's, uploading videos to adult websites..." Apparently, she was making money, uh, doing that. So, "The Florida woman arrested after authorities say she filmed herself damaging property inside two Airbnb rentals in Pensacola." So, I know, it's given Florida a bad name. "And posted the videos online for profit, causing thousands of dollars in damage." Now, imagine having the Airbnb, it being your place. Let's just say it- it's not just rental property. Let's just say it's your home and you and the wife are going through Europe for a month and you just wanna do the Airbnb thing (laughs) when you're gone.

[43:19] Speaker 1: "According to police report obtained by WEAR, W-E-A-R, Nicolette Keough, K-E-O-U-G-H, 31 years old, taken into custody March 15th, charged with criminal mischief following an investigation into the incidents at two separate rental units." So, it, uh, it began after an Airbnb property owner in Pensacola reported unusual activity tied to one of her guests. Now, the owner told authorities that she discovered videos allegedly showing this bad girl damaging items inside the rental properties. Now, you guys might be asking, "When you say damaging, what do you mean?" I will tell you. There was a young lady inside making money in a very unusual way that damaged someone else's property, according to Pensacola Police Officer Mike Wood. And Wood added that there was a list of items including a television, a recor- a record player, a coffee pot... Ouch. Some- some, I thought it said bleeding, but it says some bedding and, uh, some carpeting and, um, and I believe a rug.

[44:09] Speaker 1: Uh, uh, all right, this is getting good. According to the report, "The homeowner was alerted through the Airbnb platform that her guest was allegedly engaging in destructive behavior inside the rental units. After receiving a tip, the owner reviewed the content that had been posted online and identified it was she thought was damage taken inside one of her properties." The investigators said the footage allegedly showed our bad girl damaging a range of household items within the rentals. Uh, "Items reportedly affected included coffee maker, toaster, typewri- typewriter, television, rugs, and chairs. The property owner told, uh, uh, authorities that the damage left behind, a- a strong odor resulted in significant financial loss." Could you imagine everything smelled like urine? Uh, "According to reports, uh, one unit sustained approximately just under $4,000 in damages.

[44:52] Speaker 1: A second unit incurred, uh, over $1,300 in losses." Uh, we got a Crown Royal chair, typewriter, record player, four dining chairs, coffee pot, bed- bedding, television, electric fireplace. Additional items reported, uh, affected including a vase, a green rug, an accent wall, a chair, a- a tiger rug. Ooh, the tiger rug. I- I bet they worked overtime on that one. Authorities said they... Hopefully, maybe they can salvage that. That's the one thing you need to salvage out of all that. You save that tiger rug. Uh, according to... There was... Well, there was five... Over $5,000 damage and- and so that's where they- they booked her for the criminal mischief. Arrested, booked on criminal mischief charges. They indicate she was later released on bond following her arrest. And this was investigated by the Pensacola, uh, Police Department, and it's, um... Anyhow, it- it's still ongoing but it's tied to two rental properties. Captain Brett.

[45:40] Speaker 2: Um, I heard that they settled outta court and they met behind that place, and the owners punched her square in the snot locker and called it even, and said, "Hey, film this." But maybe I was just dreaming. What an idiot.

[45:54] Speaker 1: You know, what- what low class? Can you- can you imagine? And she's making money doing this to two Airbnbs. Yeah.

[46:00] Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. Just- just make- just a punch in the mouth and be done with it, 'cause you're not gonna get any other satisfaction out of this moron.

[46:09] Speaker 1: Well, you know, she, um... At least evidence of the crime, she's posting the stuff online, so you know, they hook, line, and sinker, man. No way she's gonna talk her way out of that.

[46:19] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[46:19] Speaker 1: And, um, I think in Florida now, criminal mischief, that's over $1,000 for a felony. Am I correct on that?

[46:25] Speaker 2: Haven't seen it in a while. Don't know for sure.

[46:28] Speaker 1: No. So, um, but anyhow, I know that we're over or- or past our- our time and we're on Wounded Blue time here now. But, uh, Captain Barley, great having you on the show. You did an outstanding job, especially with the last story. And, uh, I know you- I know you don't have the fondness for K9s that I do, but thank you for putting up with me on that one. And, uh, yeah. We know you have a love for K9s. You love the little wiener dogs, the dosh- dachshunds or whatever you call them, so... Hey, I do wanna mention the Wounded Blue at the WoundedBlue.org. Lieutenant Randy Sutton's 501 (c) (3) that's helping cops all over the world who are hurt. Um, so, uh, so please check them out and consider donating. I do monthly. Uh, Brett can also be found at, um, Exemplar Defense Solutions at exemplardefense.com. And a shout-out to our sponsors. Thank you so much to Galvis ComplyTechnologies.com, GunLearn.com, Medicare.LifeSafelyRecruiting, and Twobells.com.

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