[00:00] Speaker 1: (instrumental music plays) Welcome to Leo Roundtable at leoroundtable.com. My name is Chip The Block and I'm your host, and we're a group of law enforcement professionals that talk about today's news and issues, but we do it from a law enforcement perspective. And let me introduce the crew. Guys, if you don't mind waving for the video portion of our show. You know, you may not recognize him 'cause he's all dressed up today. Yeah, the other day he had a sweatshirt, looked like, uh, John Fetterman, but today he's got his shirt, coat, and tie on. It is Dr. Joel Schultz. Schultz, retired police chief, um, from across America, currently residing somewhere in Colorado. So, thanks for being back on the show, uh, Chief. We appreciate it. We also have, uh, former special agent in charge with the Secret Service, Rich Serapoli. Rich, thanks for being here. I love the backdrop and, you know, on the, uh, on the video. So, thanks gentlemen for being back on the show.

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[01:48] Speaker 1: That is, uh, leoroundtable.com. In the upper right corner you'll see where we have an online store. You can go in there and check out the cool gear. We don't make a dime from anything. The prices are low, uh, for that reason. We just want to get ou- get our gear out there. A shout-out to Brian Burns from the Tampa Free Press at tampafp.com. Thanks for carrying our content. Also, Ray Dietrich with formerlawman.com. And finally, Travis Yeats with lawofficer.com. Thanks to all the senties for helping make this show happen. And now, what in the world are we talking about today? You know, when I've got these two heavy hitters on the show, I gotta come up with some really deep topics, so we've got, uh, grab the popcorn (laughs) , you know. I, I love the, I l- you know, the same guy that writes these, these, uh, these headlines for these news articles must be the same one that comes up with the operational, uh, verbiage for the White House, you know?

[02:32] Speaker 1: Like, uh, you know, all these operational, you know, words they come up with, you know. Uh, so, uh, uh, I'm still waiting for one called Operation Glory Hole, but I haven't seen that one yet. But that, it's co- it's coming, it's coming. Uh, but this one right here, it is, uh, at the Tampa Free Press. And, uh, well, actually this first one, it, uh, grab the popcorn, Trump executive privilege decision means that all info on Biden is coming out. And that's at redstate.com. We have another one. Pennsylvania suspects in a New York City IED case are facing charges for suspected ISIS-inspired terrorism. Now, if you hear what the, uh, commander-in-chief of the department, the commissioner said, and I don't believe that the mayor was in attendance at that particular one. She went off the rails on this. I was very impressed with her. Uh, and then we've got, um, ICE raids? No problem. Minneapolis left its double eviction notice so illegal aliens can keep mooching. That's an interesting story.

[03:26] Speaker 1: Uh, we've also got a Missouri trooper justified in the fatal shootout with a suspect after police chase. That just came out at the This is Better channel on Rumble. We had a 2023 video released of a shootout between a murder suspect and Pierce County deputies, and then a man accused of killing his daughter's alleged rapist, he actually won the Arkansas Sheriff primary. Gotta love it. And, uh, K9 catches a career criminal when he, uh, tries to hide under the crawlspace (laughs) . That's, that's a place you don't want to be, where you can't move when you get bit by a K9. And then we haven't covered the, the, we've never been able to cover this pit maneuver. We got a, a police cruiser somehow, way, shape, or form ends up on a empty trailer, uh, being towed by a bad guy. A- a- and the cop now, he's, like, on the trailer.

[04:10] Speaker 1: He's d- he's taking a ride and, and he's gotta get pitted, uh, by a second patrol car just to be able to get off the trailer, and, and everybody crashes when the second cop car does the pit. So, it, it, it's pretty amazing. So, um, if, uh, if you guys are ready, you, you ready to go and start with the first main topic? I, I guess we're getting the thumbs up from Rich. All right, so this first one, tampafreepress.com. Pennsylvania suspects in the New York IED case. They face charges for suspected ISIS-inspired terrorism. The charges are substantial.

[04:39] Speaker 1: You know, during a Monday press conference, New York City Mayor, uh, you know, Mamdani, it, well, initially he's attending this press conference with the NYPD Commissioner Jessica Tisch, and they announced the 18-year-old, uh, uh, Imir Bouellet and 19-year-old, uh, Kayumi, and I'm probably butchering the names, but these guys are being charged not in state, but in federal court following the discovery of IEDs, improvised explosive devices, near Gracie Mansion. So, the commissioner confirmed that the case is being investigated as an act of ISIS-inspired terrorism. Federal sources described the ongoing probe as a terror investigation into the functional, and I say that, they, they've examined them, functional IEDs and an additional suspicious device that was found over the weekend.

[05:22] Speaker 1: Now, sources say that both these bad guys made pro-ISIS statements while in police custody, and the chief, the commissioner was just spouting it off during a press conference, some of the stuff these guys said, which is pretty alarming. Investigators are currently scrutinizing the, uh, the suspects, plural, their past travel, uh, to Turkey and other intern- international locations known as, uh, potential terrorist training grounds. Uh, they also said that one of them spent several months in Istanbul in mid-2025 and the other one traveled to Turkey and Saudi Arabia in 2024. Now, the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force, they've expanded this investigation into the state of Pennsylvania, and they've already started, uh, executing search warrants at the homes of the bad guys. And during the searches, additional individuals were taken into custody for questioning, although no further arrests have been officially announced.

[06:07] Speaker 1: An NYPD bomb squad previously sent the devices to the FBI's Quantico lab for analysis, and they confirmed that they were, even though they didn't go off, they were functional IEDs capable of causing some serious, serious harm. And law enforcement sources told CBS News that the devices were, um, consisted of sports drink, uh, bottles that were filled with explosive materials and they were inside glass jars. They had nuts and bolts in them, uh, designed to fragment and to do some serious damage. And they allegedly contained TATP, which is an explosive powder, and M80, if you, everybody, you know, every, uh-... I'm assuming guys still know what M80s are, but these, these, M8-, M80s, or I can't remember what, what the percentage is of a stick of dynamite they are, but it's not just a firecracker. It's a huge... It, it'll blow your fingers off.

[06:52] Speaker 1: They've got M80-type firework, uh, fuses, and the video from the weekend protest shows a guy yelling, "Allahu Akbar," and he's jumping over a, a dude with a, with a, like a megaphone, a- and he's, uh, throwing, you know, at least the first device. And he hit a barrier and extinguished himself near police officers, and then he retrieved a second device from the other bad guy, and he dropped it an- and, uh, and ran away. And it also says that along with these two bad guys, there's a 21-year-old, uh, Ian McGin- McGuinness, who was arrested for using pepper spray on counter-protestors, while three officers faced diso- uh, while three others faced disorderly, uh, conduct charges. Um, it says a third device found, uh, Sunday in a vehicle on East End Avenue. It, they had to do, mm, f- building evacuations, all kinds of stuff. So Commissioner Tisch said that she, uh, she, she was limited in what she could say, but she said a lot.

[07:43] Speaker 1: And it said the transition to federal court makes a significant escalation in this case. And let me just add that just listening to some of the stuff she said and then not seeing the mayor around, you know, I- I- I suspect, and I see Rich Nonda said, I haven't heard it or seen it yet, but I suspect, you know, with what Ma'am Donny's been saying, that maybe it was on purpose that he didn't attend that press conference where she was just, just highly agitated that, at the, uh, you know, at the sentiment from these kinds of guys and what they were saying. Uh, Rich, you wanna start us off?

[08:14] Speaker 2: Yeah. I think you hit it right on the head when you mentioned this mayor. It, it's obvious wh- why he wasn't there. He's spoken about this m- many times in the lead up to this, and, and during his campaign. The guy is as pro-radical Islamic fundamentalist as you can possibly get. He takes an anti-American, highly anti-policY posture. The best thing that can happen here is that this case gets taken federally. Otherwise, what you're going to see is top cover provided by the communist mayor, who's highly sympathetic to these people. You won't see a prosecution, particularly in Manhattan, which is the, the borough that covers, you know, m- what people refer to as New York City, by Alvin Bragg. And you're gonna see the liberal judiciary isn't gonna step up and do anything anyway.

[09:00] Speaker 2: So at the most, these bomb builders, and that was a legitimate Iranian, you know, ISIS-inspired bomb that was made, but these guys would have been treated just as if they had jumped over a turnstile and beat the city for the two and a half bucks for the subway. So this has to go federally. That device, TATP, um, just to give r- all the listeners, uh, some context here, is known as the Mother of Satan. That particular compound goes back to the, the old days, from 40 years ago, where they were using explosives that were not nitrogen-based, because all the EOD and the bomb detection dogs back in the day, that's what they were hitting on. Now you're using a peroxide-based explosive, which is much more intense than nitrogen, uh, based explosives. You can get a lot bigger bang for your buck with a little, you know, with lesser explosive. Um, the whole intention here was to kill as many people as possible, kill as many Americans as possible.

[09:58] Speaker 2: And what's worse is, and if you look at the background I've got today, you can clearly see the, uh, the new World Financial Center. This is done within eyesight of where the Twin Towers stood. Yet you've got the mayor and the administration, you know, allowing this type of thing to happen. It, thi- this is a whole topic for a whole two-hour show.

[10:16] Speaker 1: Wow. Chief?

[10:19] Speaker 3: Yeah. I think Rich nailed it as far as the politics of it and, and, uh, Mayor Zamboni, uh, and his sympathies. Um, uh, you know, from a, from a tactical law enforcement response, uh, security protocol, this is a real challenge. Uh, if, if they had had enough sophistication to choose a remote detonation or timed detonation, th- they could really do a lot of damage. And again, for the civilians out there, um, bombs don't typically, particularly homemade IED-type bombs, th- they don't kill by concussion, they kill by fragmentation. So you're gonna get, um, dozens of puncture wounds from glass and nuts and bolts and nails, BBs, whatever they put in these devices. Um, and, uh, you know, I, I don't know how much the average patrol officer in New York City, uh, gets in terms of training of bomb recognition, but I, I...

[11:13] Speaker 3: Certainly the average person that saw a ball of duct tape, uh, sitting there probably would not have thought, "Oh, this is an explosive device." And of course it, it took a manual ignition, which was the, the weakness, and those tend to have higher failure rates than the more sophisticated devices. And thank God, uh, b- both of them were, were duds, or both of the offenders (laughs) were duds, or, or they might have been able to pull this off. But the proximity of these things, um, to the crowd and the access that they had is, is really, uh, uh, really concerning and really frightening. So, uh, lots of luck and some good work by NYPD.

[11:48] Speaker 1: Um, great words, perfect timing, Chief. Guys, it's time for a first commercial break. Stick with us. We'll be right back.

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[12:53] Speaker 1: Welcome back. Leo Roundtable at leoroundtable.com. The law enforcement talk show. My name is Chip Debloc and I'm your host. And we're joined by, uh, we've got Chief Joel Schultz, retired, uh, retired police chief. Ah, sorry about the, uh, the background, guys. And, uh, that's, uh, that's getting, trying to do too many things at too many times. But we've got Chief Joel Schultz and we've got, uh, retired Special Agent George Rick Sciarpilli from the Secret Service. So, thanks for being back on the show, guys. And, uh, you know, we just, uh, done talking about, you know, our last topic, what's been going on in, uh, New York City and the take from the mayor, which is completely different take from the police commissioner with NYPD. Um, guys, um, final words on this one? Uh, we got two open mics, whoever wants to jump in here.

[13:37] Speaker 3: Yeah, I just wanted to say one thing, um, about, uh, uh, crowd control. You know, people are critical of cops that are in their protective gear. You know, the masks, the vests, the shields. Um, but, but you can see how a hand-launched weapon can, can really do some damage. And when somebody's... And it only takes one knucklehead in a peaceful crowd. Um, i- i- so, you know, if you see a water bottle being thrown at somebody and you're thinking, "Well, why doesn't the cop just jump out of the way?" You don't know if there's bleach in that or urine or some toxic substance or some, um, uh, uh, you know, chemical mixture that when shaken up will cause, uh, an explosion. So, uh, and I didn't see anybody in any, uh, protective gear there, and a lot of times they, they stand down from this because it'll, the optics are bad. Um, but the next time you see a, a cop in riot gear, understand, that's, that's no different than a firefighter in bunker gear. That's, that's their protection.

[14:34] Speaker 2: Great analogy there. That's right. Unfortunately, uh, in New York, the, the, the mayor has opted to, um, disband the, these tactical response units that were all over the city that were being used incredibly effectively, right? For the last 25 years. Um, which explains why you didn't see this, right? The, the, the prevailing thought of the current administration is that cops showing up in protective riot gear, if you will, uh, exacerbate the situation. So, they're putting the onus on the cops for exacerbating the situation of the protesters when it should be the other way around, right? But this is what you're starting to see more and more. And we talk about New York because listen, what goes on in New York will affect what goes on, um, not just in the tri-state area, but in the rest of the country. So, if you're seeing it here in New York, you're going to start seeing these things more and more elsewhere.

[15:27] Speaker 1: Yeah. And that is scary. All right, gentlemen. Well, good coverage on this one. Let's move to our next main topic. We've got redstate.com. Grab the popcorn. Trump executive privilege decision means that all info on former President Biden is coming out. Um, and you know, (laughs) we know what, we know what Trump went through during his four years off. But it says, "President Trump just made a big decision that will likely expose a lot of information that was, uh, not released about Joe Biden during his occupation of the Oval Office." It says that, "Trump has rejected Biden's claim of executive privilege to not turn over documents requested in various Senate probes, determining that it is, quote, 'not in the best interest of the United States,'" unquote. That sounds a little familiar, doesn't it?

[16:13] Speaker 1: White House counsel David Warrington wrote Monday in a letter addressed to the National Archives and Records Administration, very important organization, the NARA, uh, obtained by Fox News Digital, that Trump does not uphold the former president's assertion of privilege over records that are being sought by four congressional probes. Four. The letter directs, um, the, uh, NARA to provide the materials to Congress. And this d- dispute centers around two things, really. Um, Biden's health, you know, covering that up, and, uh, the, uh, politically motivated probes into Trump and his allies. And, and actually, actually, in addition to that, the financial dealings with Biden's family, uh, which we've all heard about that and we've actually s- seen and heard some of, some pretty convincing stuff. And Republicans, um, are arguing, uh, well, they, this goes to the very heart of Congress' constitutional authority to conduct oversight.

[17:07] Speaker 1: And of course, how many years now have we been hearing the Dems scream about, um, you know, about everything, you know, coming into the light? You know, so here we go. Um, whoever wants to start this one off, but I thought it was a pretty interesting topic. I see Rich making the move for the, uh, for the button, so go ahead, Rich.

[17:23] Speaker 2: Well, I think, look, part of the problem is, or, or the situation is, while it will unmask a lot of what went on during the, the administration of the Biden crime family, I have to ask, well, so what? If no one's gonna do anything about it, then okay, all this stuff comes to light. It'll be talked about on Fox and Newsmax for 20 minutes, uh, and then it's gonna just disappear again into oblivion. So, if Trump just wants to get it all out there or the White House wants to get it all out there, that's great. Um, but ultimately, okay, now that it's out there, what are the repercussions? What are you gonna do with this?

[17:58] Speaker 3: Yeah, I, I think, I think you're right. Um, it, it may be a tactic to s- to stir some of the sediment up to the top, uh, in preparation for the midterms to, uh, you know, to kind of blast on the Dems a little bit. Uh, but, you know, the American public is, is pretty tired of all of this, uh, s- scraping and, and, and looking at, uh, a- and, uh, you know, doing an autopsy on a president that was braindead in his, you know, the first year of his term, um, may not seem like it's, it's, uh, valuable. We, we do need to let the future politicians know that the scabs will be picked, you know, if that's gonna be, um, you know, the pattern from here on out. And if there was some legitimately treasonous activity, it, it would, it would be helpful to know that. But I, but I think you're right in your analysis that, um, uh, you know, as far as anybody being pr- prosecuted or, uh, successfully really held politically accountable, I, I don't really, you know, I, I agree with Rich.

[18:59] Speaker 3: I don't see that there'll be much productivity about that. It's just so...... ironic that you had Congress voting overwhelmingly not to disclose the, uh, sexual misconduct settlements, uh, that taxpayers pay for, r-regarding (laughs) Congress members. Oh, we want Epstein. We, you know, we want Biden. Uh, and it... But, uh, no. We don't want anybody to talk about us. Uh, so it's, uh, uh, and, and this kind of political intrigue probably goes back to, to John Adams, you know. George Washington might have dodged it, but, uh, it, it's, it's been around. That's no excuse for it to say, "Well, what happens, happens." But, uh, uh, it'll be interesting to see when this moves out of the news cycle.

[19:41] Speaker 1: Good point. Well, Jim, I've got a, uh, an update story involving ICE and raids in Minneapolis. You know they all kind of go together. But I've got 40 seconds before our next commercial break, so I'm gonna whet the appetite for this one real quick. RVMNews.com. ICE raids with a question mark? No problem. Minneapolis leftists, they double eviction notice, so that, uh, eviction notice time, really, so that illegal aliens can keep mooching. And yet, we got the Minneapolis City Council stepping into the news. They're voting o- on March the 5th and they voted to approve a temporary ordinance that would double the amount of time landlords have to give their tenants before filing an eviction.

[20:17] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[20:17] Speaker 1: Um, glad I'm not a landlord in Minneapolis right now. Stay tuned, guys. This is coming up next. We'll be right back. All right, guys. Time to talk about Compliant Technologies at complianttechnologies.com. And they're committed to providing non-lethal solutions that help officers gain the upper hand safely and rapidly in a humane, low optics manner utilizing their CD3, which stands for conductive distraction and de-escalation device technology. Now, their flagship product, we all know by now, is called the Glove. It's helped officers not only tens of thousands of times, but they're now up to 250,000 deployments with zero injuries. You heard that correctly. I said, "No injuries." The Glove has actually achieved non-lethal status in an arena that predominantly can only offer less lethal results. And when it comes to weapons retention, transitioning to a sidearm or conduction of energy weapon, the Glove at complianttechnologies.com, they virtually eliminated weapons confusion.

[21:05] Speaker 1: So, stay ahead of the game with Compliant Technologies and the revolutionary CD3 that hundreds of agencies have already turned to nationwide. And friends, take it from me, when it comes to safety, this is one of the most hands-on, um, commonsense approaches that's ever come along. Go to the complianttechnologies.com today and tell them that Chip sent you. Welcome back. LEO Roundtable at leoroundtable.com, the law enforcement talk show. My name is Chip The Block and I'm your host. We are joined by Dr. Joel Schultz, retired police chief, and former s- special agent in charge from the Secret Service, Rick Sciarpolli. And, um, you know, I know that when we left off, I think we were talking about the, um, executive privilege and that Donald Trump has turned it down for Joe Biden and the, and the fallout from that. Um, guys, are we... Any more commentary on that, or do you... Ready to move on to the next topic? Or where we at on that? You, you ready to move on? All right, guys.

[21:52] Speaker 1: So, moving along. Uh, we've, uh, e- e- And you know what? I, I think I know what happened here. I think that we had just maybe barely touched on the eviction notice. That's right. And I, you know, that's what happens. You guys get me involved in like a, an engaging conversation on the commercial break and, and this time, we had four minutes, and you guys got me off my game. And I forgot about the eviction notice, um, that we have in Minneapolis. So, that's where we left off. And, and, and I... That's right. I had made a statement saying that I was glad that I was not a property owner, uh, renting to tenants in Minneapolis because this is what's going on now. And, you know, this is a, a... This is a sort of action by the Minneapolis, the, the, the Council. So, rvmnews.com. Um, ICE raids? No problem. Minneapolis leftists double eviction notice, so that illegal aliens can keep mooching off the, uh, you know, the economy.

[22:38] Speaker 1: So, Minneapolis, um, City Council voted on March the 5th to approve the temporary ordinance that would double the amount of time that landlords have to give tenants before they file for an eviction and extends pre-eviction notice requirements from 30 days to 60 days. So, they're going from one month to two months. Now, imagine, uh, being an owner of a building and you have tenants that you're having to rent it out. And imagine that fo- that you're d- in an eviction process and just... Let's just assume that they're not paying you money. (laughs) So, now you're going from notice from one month to two months, so that's... A- a- and that means the clock just starts at the two months. So, let's say that you have to go two months without getting paid a- and you have to give them all this extra notice. And then, the wheels, you have to start the wheels turning for the actual eviction process. So, you're talking months without income. Meanwhile, they could be like, just trashing your place.

[23:25] Speaker 1: The measure titled Pause Evictions Save Lives Ordinance passed the council by a seven to five vote. Council Member Jamison Whiting abstained from the vote. And, y- you know, every vote counted on this one. If enacted, the ordinance will require landlords to provide tenants with a 60-day notice before they file for an eviction case in court, and instead of the current 30 day. Um, supporters of the measure said the proposal was necessary because some renters, and we're not talking about landlords, we're talking about renters, continue to face financial hardship following Operation Metro Surge which community groups say caused sudden income loss and created fear among immigrant residents in the area. And so, I'm trying to wrap my head around this, and maybe you guys can explain it to me. So, they're getting rid of illegals and apparently, that's created a financial hardship. I guess, people are scared. They're n- do...

[24:15] Speaker 1: What do they do not, not showing up to work 'cause they think that ICE is gonna show up and, and, and grab them 'cause they're illegal? I mean, I'm trying to, I'm trying to wrap my head around that. Opponents of the ordinance argue that extending the notice period would create financial challenges for property owners, yeah, and affordable housing providers. Council Member Leanna, uh, Palmisano said that the policy could disrupt the housing market, you know, in the city. And then, it kind of goes on to talk about Project for Pride in Living is a nonprofit. They provide affordable housing. They urge council members to reconsider proposal. And this is re- this is something I didn't really think about. Adding another 30 days only pushes families deeper into debt. In other words, they have, they're not making money and they're going into debt. They still, they still owe the stuff on the book, so you're not, you're not making anyone's financial situation any better.

[25:00] Speaker 1: Or if they're living in a house or renting a house that they can't afford-... uh, you know, allowing them to stay there only puts them, you know, further down that rabbit hole. And tenant advocates said that the additional time could help renters secure financial assistance or catch up on payments before facing eviction. So what they're saying is, is that they can borrow more money from you, the taxpayer. Eric Hogg, who's the executive director for HomeLine, a statewide tenant hotline that provides assistance to renters, said the organization has experienced a surge in calls related to financial hardship. So they're looking for a lifeline, someone to float them where they can borrow money. And I'm assuming probably not pay back. Um, commentary on this, gentlemen. This is how Minnesota responds to, uh, uh... And of course, I haven't even touched on the Minnesota fraud that we already know about. Chief Schulz, start us off with this one.

[25:46] Speaker 3: Well, A, I said nothing to do with this. This is just another opportunity for political theater. Uh, and B, um, I'm not sure that anything any government has done to interfere with, uh, uh, capitalism in housing, uh, has ever done anything but mess up the housing market. And we're supposedly in a h- time of housing shortage. And I was really impressed with the, uh, rational thinking folks that weighed in on this and said, "No, this is gonna push people further into debt." Um, if you, uh, have ever loaned money to a person that doesn't have money or can't handle money, that does them no favors, right?

[26:27] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[26:27] Speaker 3: Um, and, uh, and, uh, as you mentioned, Chip, who wants to be a landlord now? This is really gonna potentially screw with the, uh, with the free market housing, um, uh, market. And, uh, just, it's just a bad idea. It has, really has nothing to do with, you know, whether we're letting, uh, illegals, uh, have a favored position or not. That, that's, that's such a side issue. Um, it, it's just, it's just meddling that's, uh, unnecessary and, and destructive in my view.

[26:59] Speaker 1: Well, Rich?

[27:00] Speaker 2: G- have to agree with that. I think the right phrase there is political theater, right? This has absolutely nothing to do with, with impeding ICE, or it's certainly not gonna slow down ICE's ability to remove illegal aliens. If anything, it's impeding the ability of somebody that owns a building or a number of buildings to go out and do what they bought it for in the first place, rent out their, their, their apartment or their home, right? But again, you've got, um, things that are trying to be passed by people that have never had jobs before, have no idea of anything that has to do with fiscal responsibility. And what you just explained about lending to people who simply weren't or are never going to be in a position to pay back money to begin with, whether intentionally or otherwise, uh, these people have no idea, no concept of how any of this works, and it leads to even bigger problems.

[27:51] Speaker 2: I mean, things are so bad now with, um, landlord-tenant disputes that most police departments won't even touch it, right?

[27:57] Speaker 1: Right.

[27:57] Speaker 2: Especially in the bigger cities, it's, it's pushed off to the, these little-known sheriff's departments that handle it, because the cops just don't have the time to get involved in this type of thing. This is just another mess, um, you know, percolating in, in Minnesota.

[28:13] Speaker 3: And I can't wait to see how Mondawmin's meddling in, uh, real estate is going to affect the New York City market.

[28:20] Speaker 2: Yeah, tha- that's a fantastic point. But there again, here, here's a guy who put somebody in charge of housing who's never owned a house, has never lived in New York City, um, has always lived on the dole of mom and dad, has never signed a lease for anything, and now that's who's running the city affairs in, in a city like New York. So nothing good is going to come of this.

[28:42] Speaker 1: Yeah. What could go wrong?

[28:44] Speaker 2: Right.

[28:44] Speaker 1: You know? I used to be a landlord. I only had one property, um, but, uh, I'll tell you, I, uh, I'm so glad I got from underneath it. And I, my, I told my financial guy, I said, "Look, I really want..." "No, no, you need to hold onto it." I said, "No, you don't understand." I said, "I don't..." You know, as you get older, not that I don't have a lot of respon- I have a lot going on, but there's just, I just needed to lighten the load, and I just didn't like getting those phone calls about the garbage disposal being broken, and I go there, and they've got, like, a paper clip or a fork stuck in it or just, you know, or just having the place destroyed or having tenants. You know, you do your best, your best diligence, you know, to try to vet these people. It's not good enough. And then you're right, if you ever have to evict anybody, um, I- I- I've had to place...

[29:26] Speaker 1: I don't wanna, I don't wanna tell what kind of, say what kind of people were there, 'cause it, it'll, I'll, I'll get slammed for it, but let's just say that there was a, a, a bunch of people living in there, and they were letting other people live in there too. And, uh, when I, when I went in, they didn't like to run the AC because they didn't want to pay for it. They had one light bulb screwed in a, in a socket with, like, four empty sockets 'cause they wanted to save on electricity. And there was, like, you know, mildew, and I, I mean, there was, like, damage. I had to replace the, replace the countertops. I had to replace the countertops, all the appliances. I'm talking about microwave, refrigerator, stove, um, dishwasher. I mean, just some horrid conditions. I- if the floor was in tile, I would have had to replace that too. Um, yeah, it was ju- I'm, uh, so glad to get it f- out from underneath that.

[30:12] Speaker 1: I can only imagine it being in a place like Minneapolis where it's really unfair to landlords. That's just a nightmare.

[30:18] Speaker 3: And, and how do landlords make up losses? They have to raise the rent rates, right?

[30:24] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.

[30:24] Speaker 3: Um, or, or kind of slyly restrict who, you know, gets into their housing. And, you know, the, the big issue, as Trump says, is affordability. And, uh, thi- this is gonna raise rental, uh, housing prices in, in Minneapolis. And I'm not an economist, and I'm not a slumlord or landlord, um, but it, just the math does not make sense.

[30:46] Speaker 1: Yeah. I, when I... That last incident I told you about, it set me, it took me a year to financially recover from, from that loss. It took me a year of getting rent on, on a... And the condo is paid off, but it took me a year to recover from that. That's how far it set me back with all the countertops and appliances, all that stuff. It was just a nightmare, you know? So, yeah.All right. Well, if you guys are ready for a story with a video component, we've got a, we've got a doozy. Um, we're within a minute of taking our, our next break. But this one here, rumble.com, our favorite law enforcement video channel called This Is Better, we have a Missouri trooper justified in a fatal shootout with a suspect after a police chase.

[31:25] Speaker 5: (sirens wailing) 10-50, rolled over, starting EMS. Put your hands up right now. Put your hands up. Put your hands in the air and drop it. (gun firing) City of Wildcat to Hot Fire. He's hot. He's hot. Hot fire. He dropped it. 6:80, Wildcat, I believe.

[32:14] Speaker 1: I don't know that we've ever seen one quite like this before. And I'm gonna go through as much of it as I can before the commercial break. But, uh, in a series of events that started back on September the 5th of 2024, uh, Princeton, Texas, uh, uh, in Princeton, Texas, a, a, a Missouri State Highway Patrol, um, Delisha Evans, um, was a, a, a native in the area, was shot and killed by her former boyfriend, Ryan Phillips at their Texas home. And then, the boyfriend takes off and runs from police and, uh, there's a heck of a shootout. So, we're gonna cover that in just one second when we come back. You don't want to miss this commercial break. We'll be right back. All right, guys. It's time to talk about GunLearn at gunlearn.com. And as law enforcement officers, we deal with guns and we deal with ammo every day. But it's what we don't know about them that gets us into trouble.

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[33:45] Speaker 1: Again, that is gunlearn.com. Welcome back. Leo Roundtable at leoroundtable.com, the law enforcement talk show. My name is Chip Devlock, and I'm your host. We're joined by former Secret Service SAC, Rich Sciarropoli, and we've got Dr. Joel Schultz, retired police chief. We left off talking about a Missouri trooper justified in a fatal shootout with a suspect, but it happened after the police chase. Wild video on this one. Uh, and look, if anybody wants to watch the video on this, you know, tomorrow morning, the very next day at nine o'clock in the morning Eastern Time, producer Will will put up a version of this live show that has everything embedded into it, including the video. So that's, that's the way to watch it. And we'll also have links to all the topics and all the original articles and videos as well. So the series of events started September the 5th, 2024. So we're talking roughly about a year and a half ago in Princeton, Texas.

[34:32] Speaker 1: And according to Missouri State Highway Patrol, uh, Delisha Evans, uh, who is a, a St. Louis, uh, native, was shot and killed by her former boyfriend named Ryan Phillips. And this is in Texas in their home. Now the next day, Texas authorities, they issued a critical missing person alert. So now, we got Missouri troopers. Um, they get information that Phillips had taken Evans against her will, and set fire to their home and was believed to be fleeing towards St. Louis in a red Range Rover. At the time, law enforcement, they were unaware that Evans, um, had already been killed. So they're thinking he's got the woman with him. So now, they have a pursuit in St. Louis County when Trooper Trey Gaedtke spots the vehicle on Interstate 44, and he's being backed up by another trooper, Justin Hedrick. So Trooper Gaedtke, he tries to do a traffic stop. He gets out, walks up to the passenger side, dude takes off. And so now, we got a police pursuit.

[35:25] Speaker 1: So it's a high-speed chase, and it ends when our, our bad guy, you know, that's, uh, that's driving the red Range Rover, he tries to take a corner. He does it a little bit too fast. He ends up hitting the curb and it... the vehicle flips in the roadway. And, uh, now the vehicle is on it side, and our bad guy's crawling to the top of the car, opens up a... I believe it was, what, the passenger door, and he gets out. Now we've got the troopers who are outside their vehicles and they're shouting, "Hey, put your hands up. Put your hands up." And our bad guy, Phillips, fails to comply. And they say, "Hey, put your hands in the air," and then they say, "Drop it." Now surprisingly, it says that he was... he actually opened fire on the troopers first, but they returned fire and, and they killed him. Neither of the troopers was injured in the shootout.

[36:12] Speaker 1: And it says that a guy named Travis Allen Mitchell is currently in custody, charged with helping Phillips murder Evans, and then tampering, you know, with her body, which I'm, I'm sure means like, you know, moving it, hiding it, and that kind of stuff. So, um, I, I also noted that, um, the shootout starts at 59 seconds into this video. Now the video is only a, a minute and a half long, uh, and... but there's a mag change by one of the troopers, and, uh, he's using cover and stuff, some of the things you don't normally see. You see them leave cover normally, go out in the middle of the field while they're engaged with a bad guy in a shootout. Uh, but I did not see any, any rifles, any duty rifles from either of the troopers, which, which would have been nice to have had, but I didn't see any. Um, coverage on this, guys? Commentary? Whoever wants to start it off. Chief, you wanna take this one first?

[37:00] Speaker 3: Yeah. That's, uh, you know, kind of close to my home territory. Uh, I, I like to make fun of, of troopers that they're, you know, shagging tail lights all day and, and don't really know anything about police work. But, but I, I love my troopers in Missouri. They're, they're, uh, m-... poster boys and girls for, for badassery in, in law enforcement, so. Uh, and usually they're working, you know, remotely without much backup. Um, and, and this, um, you know, you, I think the ordinary person would not expect an armed confrontation when you're walking up on a rollover crash at high speed. Um, and here this guy pops up like a Whac-A-Mole, uh, figure and, and starts shooting at you. And I don't know where the troopers keep their, uh, long guns, whether it's in a rack or like this or in the trunk. So that, that may, um, may have, have made the trooper decide, "I don't have time to reach for my long gun." Uh, 'cause it was a pretty long shot for, for a handgun.

[37:59] Speaker 3: Uh, and, and so, you know, he, he, he made it, uh, r- right on target. Um, so, you, you know, um, good work on, on taking this guy out, particularly with, uh, limited information, um, y- you know, that, that, uh, that the person they were concerned about is not in the vehicle and, you know, do I have an, an, an innocent person that, that, uh, might inhibit my, my decision to, you know, to rain, uh, lead down on, on somebody. Um, but, uh, you know, good work. Uh, they're, I, I'm sure they like to say we always get our man, and, and they did.

[38:43] Speaker 1: Pretty wild shootout, Rich, huh?

[38:44] Speaker 2: I, I gotta tell you, I think it's a great video example of, of the old analogy or the old illustration. Nothing ever seems to happen to bad guys right out of the gate.

[38:54] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[38:54] Speaker 2: I mean, that, that rollover was something you'd see at a NASCAR race, yet the guy just pops up out of the car, the trooper unloads, what, two magazines into the car, and, and the guy doesn't get hit. He keeps coming. Um, great illustration of, you know, you, you've got to expect the unexpected anytime you're walking up to a car. You know, anyone else, had it been me in that car, I'd probably be airlifted to the nearest emergency room, yet-

[39:20] Speaker 1: (coughs)

[39:20] Speaker 2: ... this guy's ready to pop out of the car like it's just another day. Unbelievable.

[39:26] Speaker 1: So, um, let me just point out, we've got a, we're getting some flak from, uh, John Filax, um, on Facebook here, and this has been popping up lately, um, and he sends a message saying, uh, asking if we do any debates and, uh, he's talking about live debates and he's talking about the people that are on the show and stuff. And I got contacted by somebody, uh, yesterday, uh, on, uh, on, I think it was on LinkedIn, asking me the same thing, civilian, uh, no one with any law enforcement background, and they wanted to say, "Hey, do you ever allow non-law enforcement to get on the show and, uh, to give their perspective?" And when I put the show together over 10 years ago, I thought about all that, and number one, we started off being a one, uh, you know, a, a, a one-day-a-week show, one hour, and then it ended up being, uh, you know, uh, you know, a two-hour show. Now we're a daily show. Uh, so the, the quick answer is no. Um, you've got, there's other shows that do a lot of things.

[40:21] Speaker 1: You don't have other shows that have the, the level of experts that we have on this show. And I want people to watch the show because they're getting good information and they're getting it, we're spot on. I don't care whether it's a grunt-level officer talking or whether it's a police chief or a sheriff. Um, I want them to be able to take as gold or as gospel anything that comes out of our mouths. I don't want them listening to, uh, a civilian. I've had cops that were on the show that I, that there were problems with some advice and things were coming out of their mouths and I had to let them go. Um, so no, it's not designed... So John Ph- Felix or Filax, no, it's not designed to have people that we're gonna debate that are civilians that don't know what they're talking about. This is a show designed for people that want to learn and find out from the experts, you know, what's going on.

[41:06] Speaker 1: Um, it might be a Jerry Springer Entertainment kind of a thing, uh, what, what you're suggesting, not what I'm going for on the show, uh, 'cause we're gonna lose credibility. And, uh, you know, we've got like Rich Tiurpoli's on Fox News, Newsmax, CNN, and, uh, you know, uh, Chief Joel Schultz, uh, you know, he writes for Police One, Lexapol, and, and, uh, these guys are household names with military and police. That's a lot bigger advantage than having people that need to get educated on every show. And, and that's not what we're looking for. So I, I know we got a couple of mics. I'm kind of curious what, what you guys think about that.

[41:41] Speaker 3: If you had two or three doctors on a show, uh, talking about medicine, you would hope that most of the time, those experts would agree about a treatment or a diagnosis because they have the same, uh, science background and knowledge background. Occasionally, they might disagree this med over that med, but when you have experts in law enforcement as, as you have at the stellar cast every, every day, uh, Chip, um, and, and they tend to agree about an officer's justification or an officer's mistake, it's because we know what we're talking about. Uh, and, and we don't need somebody who is an armchair quarterback just guessing what they would have done, uh, if they'd been there. So, uh, you know, I appreciate your format, and, and you do, uh, respond to, uh, uh, readers', listeners' comments, uh, on, on the, uh, on the chat. So I, I think it's a good balance.

[42:36] Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, thanks. Um-

[42:38] Speaker 2: Well, and I think the other thing, Chip, is you, you'd lose the ability to talk about the, the variety of topics that you've had 'cause you would spend the full hour, you know, talking about one thing while you're having to explain everything that's going on there, right? So you've got to look at who your intended target audience is, and, and this just isn't that format for that.

[42:58] Speaker 1: Right. Exactly. And that's why we don't take phone-ins, uh, because the same thing. And then you talk about the same thing and over and over again. The g- the guy didn't watch the show yesterday, so he asks the question, the same questions, and you're just having to, you know, you constantly have to repeat yourself. You know, most of the people that, that watch this show, they, they get it and, and they know. I, I had one guy that was a police chief in Texas, and I know that I'm getting ready to go over here. I- I'm watching the clock, though, don't worry. I had a guy in Texas and he wanted to come on the show and he, and he said all the right things. I had another guy that was a bailiff in, in a, uh, in a courthouse that knew the right things to say, too.

[43:33] Speaker 1: So the bailiff I had to tell, "Look, you don't have the credentials." People, you may know to say the right things 'cause you watch a show or you, but people aren't gonna listen to what you have to say because you don't have the pedigree. When people look you up, they're not gonna assume you really know, you don't have the, the background that, to really give the credibility to what, to, for people to listen to what you have to say and take the advice. And for the chief, he had no experience. He had been a chief for a few years, had no police experience. He was appointed by a mayor with no police experience to become a chief of a police department in Texas and is, was upset because I wouldn't let him be a panelist on the show. And, uh, and he, and he ghosted me and stuff. So that's kind of the stuff we, we have to, um, to deal with. But have to make the hard decisions in order to make, to make the show what it is.

[44:13] Speaker 1: This was my vision of the show, which, um, which I'm happy with, but, uh, hey, Rich Tiuripoli, uh, former SAC with Secret Service, uh, Chief Joel Schultz, thank you guys so much for being on the show. Stick with us, gulls.com, complianttechnologies.com, gunlearn.com, medicare.lifesaverrecruiting, and twobells.com. We'll see you guys back tomorrow, 12 noon Eastern. (rock music plays)