[00:13] Speaker 1: Welcome to the Leo Roundtable at leoroundtable.com.

[00:16] Speaker 2: Hey.

[00:16] Speaker 1: My name is Chip The Block and I'm your host, and we're a group of law enforcement professionals that talk about today's news and issues, but we do it from a law enforcement perspective. Let me introduce the crew. And, uh, guys, if you don't mind waiting for the video portion of our show, we got Lieutenant Randy Sutton, the founder of The Wounded Blue, thewoundedblue.org, also retired Las Vegas Metro Police Department, and, and let me just say, he, he likes me to say this last part, 34 years of exemplary law enforcement experience. Randy, you love this guy. And also Scott Steiert, former Green Beret and Delta Force, uh, member. And he... Man, he, he, he adds so much to the show. So thanks so much for being on the show, guys. We appreciate it. And also, I want to, uh, mention our sponsors. Uh, guys, please support our sponsors. They go to great lengths to bring this good quality content to you. We, we have our title sponsor, Gulls at gulls.com.

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[01:42] Speaker 1: Thanks to all those entities for helping make the show happen. Man, that energy drink has already kicked in. All right, so what in the world are we gonna be talking about today? Guys, we've got some, uh, we've got some great topics. And, and there is some breaking news. I haven't even had time to, to, to grab the, the text on it yet, but we've got, uh, DHS body-worn cameras, they're rolling out to Minneapolis after the fatal shootings, and we've got a double article on there. And then we've got anti-ICE agitators, they actually set up blockades in Minneapolis, uh, checking driver's license plates and stuff. It- it- it- it's crazy. Randy, you left too soon. You should- you should still be there or go back. But no, it, it, it's, it's probably pointless by now because now they're, they've got, what, 700, uh, agents leaving, federal agents. And that's just breaking news this morning, so they are bailing out. But the big question is why.

[02:30] Speaker 1: Uh, we're gonna be talking about that 'cause there are some mixed messages in the news. Some people that watching left organizations may be thinking that we succumb to the pressure and that Trump is, like, bowing down, and that's, that's not what we're hearing from our, our... one of our favorite border czar, Tom Homan. Uh, a- and so that's what we're starting off with and that, that's already a mouthful. Our next one, we've got Mayor Brandon Johnson, that's Chicago, uh, signs ICE on notice. In executive order, he's directing the Chicago Police Department, so he's directing the cops to document misconduct in order to pursue prosecution of federal agents. And they're looking at charging them with felonies, all kinds of stuff. So that's very troubling. I think Randy's gonna be going to Chicago next. Then we got NYPD officer charged in a cooler throw death that they say... He said he was trying to protect his, protect his colleagues. We covered this back when it happened.

[03:20] Speaker 1: Um, a guy in a moped crash and dies. We're gonna cover that one. We've also got, uh, Bakersfield Police, the body cam shows officer shooting Fabian Lopez, leaving him in critical condition. Jacksonville Police officers fatally shoot a domestic disturbance suspect when he pulls out a gun. We've got security guards end up being arrested. This is NYPD. This is how they roll. Security guards won't let them into a hospital in order to back up a cop that's called for assistance on police radio, and they throw the security guard and his boss for not letting them in, they throw them in jail. It- it's a beautiful thing. And then Greenville Sheriff's Office determines deadly deputy shooting of a knife-wielding suspect, uh, was justified. And, uh, then we got finally Christopher Taylor. Um, this guy is reinstated as a peace officer, uh, given his license back. We're gonna cover that. Uh, I suspect Randy will be all over that.

[04:04] Speaker 1: And then if we have time to get to it, there's a man that is armed inside a Jack in the Box. He ends up being injured in a shooting after he points a gun at deputies, and that's in Colorado at Avocado Heights. So wow, we got a... we got a lot of good stuff. So, uh, so Randy, don't slow down, don't slow down on the cigar. Uh, make it last 'cause we got, we got plenty of material for the, for the whole hour. So, uh, so guys, let's start off with our, our first main topic. We actually have, um, three main topics. Two are Minneapolis and, and, and one is in, uh, Chicago. So lawofficer.com is where the first two come from. DHS ward... uh, body-worn cameras, they're rolling out to Minneapolis after the fatal shootings, but our guys are laymen, so I don't know really what it matters. But it says that DHS body-worn cameras are being issued immediately, but they're going.

[04:47] Speaker 1: The federal officers working in Minneapolis, Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem, she announced this on Monday after scrutiny after we have two US citizens fatally shot by federal agents in Minnesota, and by all accounts, um, I have no reason to believe that those were not completely justified shoots. The move comes as a federal judge dissolved a temporary restraining order. Uh, and this is interesting, it barred the US Department of Homeland Security from destroying or altering evidence tied to one of the shootings. Like that was ever a thing or a concern, and it says the judge pretty much lifted the order because he was convinced that there was no concern for them even doing that. So why did he even... I mean, why even approach the federal government about destroying evidence? It's just, it just, it, it, it sounds like a judge was tempted to listen to the left and the wokeness and then he finally just wisened up and said, "You know what?

[05:34] Speaker 1: It's a baseless argument and I'm just gonna let it roll." And, um, so we've got the judge is Judge Eric Tewstrud, and he dissolved the order that had temporarily blocked DHS and he said that he wasn't even worried of them... about them doing anything. And then the other half of this is N-... ICE agitators. They started doing roadblocks in Minneapolis, checking drivers pl- uh, licenses and plates, and it, it says that NAICE activists, they turned public roadways to impromptu checkpoints and blockades while Minneapolis police, at one point, looked on and walked the other way. So this is not an ICE issue. This is local law enforcement, and this is just embarrassing that Minneapolis police are letting these guys take over, do roadblocks, hunting for ICE. Uh, this is, it- it's just, it's just, it's just disgusting. It just, it just disgusts me.

[06:20] Speaker 1: When Minneapolis police officers approached and urged the group to move the obstruction for fire trucks, ambulances, you know, for emergency vehicles, the protestors, they didn't budge. And, uh, instead, they, um, they, they insisted that they, they could shift in if an emergency came along, which of course is not, not true. And plus, they didn't follow the orders anyhow. And the officers eventually left without enforcing, you know, what they had asked the group to do anyhow. Um, so that's what we're starting off with. It's a mouthful. Lieutenant Randy Sutton.

[06:47] Speaker 3: The failure of leadership in law enforcement in Minneapolis is of epic proportions. Uh, I rarely have seen anything as bad as this. Uh, but we are seeing it, and they have, um, you know, once again, th- here, I think a lot of it comes down to the fact that they don't have enough cops to do the job there. You know, when, when I was there a couple of weeks ago, I learned they only have 200 and- about 260 police officers, actual patrol officers to police that entire city of a million people for three shifts. It's, it is, it's im- it's an impossible thing to do. But when y- when you have insurgency like what we are seeing there now, I mean, this is something you- we would see in Afghanistan, something we would see i- in, in, uh, you know, Iraq when, uh, when the, when the- the- the ins- the insurgency was at- was in control. Roadblocks in an American city by, by these, these, these scumbags?

[07:54] Speaker 1: Unbel-

[07:54] Speaker 3: It is unbelievable. And I gotta tell you, man, I'm glad I'm not there because if I had driven up there and they tried to stop me, th- there- it would've been so bad. It would've (laughs) been so bad.

[08:12] Speaker 1: You would've had a new hood ornament.

[08:14] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[08:15] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[08:15] Speaker 3: Several.

[08:15] Speaker 4: Well, it's funny, hey, y- you said it, it's like, uh, it's like Iraq and Afghanistan. Well, that's exactly what I thought of. I mean, wha- when I was in Afghanistan and, uh, uh, up in, up in the, the northern part, I was driving around going, you know, from one place to the other place meeting with people. The biggest... Uh, or even if I wasn't, even if we were in, like, full-blown going to do a target, like, the one thing you worried about was the checkpoints, and they're just im- imp- impromptu. It could be a ch- a checkpoint going into, um, into a neighborhood. Like, they, they wanna make sure that the people going in there are the people they, they, they, they want in there. But they're illegal. They're not... They're just run by whoever. That is, like, that is when you, i- if you wanna know i- how Somalia looks, just, just go there and see how many checkpoints. It's in all these countries. And it's like whoever's in power is like, "You know what?

[09:05] Speaker 4: We're just gonna set up a checkpoint. We're gonna control this area." It's, it is a very, very serious thing, and I cannot believe it. It just blows my mind that this is allowed. I mean, we are literally, because there is no backbone, there's no cops doing their job, it's literally turning into a third world country. I mean, uh, they do checkpoints? There you go. I mean, what else do you need? They, I, I can't believe it was allowed. I- it blows my mind.

[09:30] Speaker 1: It's- it's all by design, you know?

[09:32] Speaker 3: Of course. Of course.

[09:32] Speaker 1: And, and what? Is ICE suppo- Is ICE supposed to, to do this? I mean, uh, uh, it- it's just, it's just incredible that the police department and that, um, is it O'Hara? Is that the ch- is that the chief's name?

[09:43] Speaker 3: Yes.

[09:43] Speaker 1: Yeah, he'll be forgot- He'll be forgotten and not remembered in history except for, for being the coward that he is. But, you know, just, just, just embarrassing that you've got supposedly a police leader that is just, just taking it in the rear end from the freaking, you know-

[09:56] Speaker 3: And this-

[09:56] Speaker 1: ... from the freaking mayor.

[09:57] Speaker 3: And this is l- this is why the morale at the MPD is so, is so in the toilet, because these guys want to get out there and do the job. I can tell you that right now. I've had, I had numerous conversations. The frustration level is, is, you know, beyond belief. But remember, we've seen this before. This is a playbook from the George Floyd insanity of the, uh, CHOP. Remember CHOP in Seattle?

[10:24] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.

[10:24] Speaker 3: And they let that go on for months.

[10:26] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[10:26] Speaker 3: They gave up the control of the entire, the entire central part of the city to these morons.

[10:32] Speaker 1: So-

[10:32] Speaker 3: It's, it's, it's startling. It's startling.

[10:36] Speaker 1: Well, well, not to be outdone, let's pop over to Chicago, chicago.gov. So this is the government website. Mayor Brandon Johnson signs ICE-on-notice executive order directing, uh, CPD, Chicago Police Department, to start documenting misconduct, or what they perceive as mis- misconduct, uh, and pursue prosecution of federal agents. Of course, they can't actually pursue it, but they're trying to bill case and hoping that the authorities will. Uh, but guess who the prosecutors are, right? So i- it goes on to say that Mayor Brandon Johnson, he signed the ICE-on-notice executive order directing members of the Chicago Police Department to investigate and document alleged illegal activity by federal immigration agents and refer evidence of felony violations, felonies, to the who?

[11:20] Speaker 1: The Cook County State's Attorney's Office-

[11:22] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[11:22] Speaker 1: ... for prosecution. Cook County. Like, they've got... I mean, Cook- saying Cook County, uh, among district attorneys and state attorney's offices is like saying, uh, Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, you know, among pl- the, the, the most revered police departments. So, you know, they just... It's just the embarrassment, right? It's like the armpit of prosecutors. So, uh, we got more coming up about this. We're not done with Chicago yet. We're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna light one on them.

[11:47] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[11:47] Speaker 1: We're coming up on our first commercial break, guys. It's gonna get really, it's gonna get really good. We'll be right back.

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[12:52] Speaker 1: Welcome back. Leo Roundtable at leoroundtable.com, the law enforcement talk show. My name is Chip The Block, and I'm your host. We're joined by Lieutenant Randy Sutton, and also, uh, military special op guy, Scott Steiert. And we've been talking about Chicago, more specifically, Mayor Brandon Johnson signing what, uh, executive order is called ICE on Notice. It directs the Chicago Police to start documenting misconduct and to pursue prosecution of federal agents for felonies. And, uh, yeah, yeah, shocking. So we just, uh, talking about Minneapolis police standing down, uh, and l- allowing the, not even the, the normal cy- I mean, I'm sure most of these people are being bused in and coming from other places, but regardless of whether it's homegrown or from the outside, they're letting people take, uh, over the streets, stopping detained drivers, I mean, all kinds of horrible stuff, and they're just standing down. And so Mayor Brandon Johnson says, "Nobody's above the law.

[13:44] Speaker 1: There's no such thing as absolute immunity in America." Uh, well, there absolutely is if you're a judge or a prosecutor. And Mayor Brandon Johnson, you should be smart enough to know that, and you should be smart enough to know that cops have qualified immunity after they qualify for it, but this guy's freaking an idiot. "The lawlessness of Trump's militarized immigration agents puts the lives and well-being of every Chicagoan in immediate danger." This is what the mayor is saying. "With today's order, we are putting ICE on notice in our city. Chicago will not sit idly by while Trump floods federal agents into our communities and terrorizes our residents." Not to mention the fact that they're the illegal people they've allowed to reside among their law-abiding citizens. "Executive Order 2006-01 creates a framework for public accountability in the event federal agents violate local or state law while operating in Chicago.

[14:32] Speaker 1: Mayor Johnson's order makes Chicago the first city in the nation to leverage local authority to pursue legal accountability for misconduct by federal immigration agents." It'll never, it'll never happen. And then we've got-

[14:43] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[14:44] Speaker 1: ... other, other people. What we got? They, they, they, they start naming the people of, shooting saying that, you know, Miramar Martinez and Soverio Valegas-gonzalez, Rene Good, and then Alex Preddy most recently. And they're saying that these were all that there was an absence of legal repercussions, uh, because they were legal shootings. And then we've got District Attorney Larry Krasner from Philadelphia saying, "I applaud Mayor Brandon Johnson's bold and principled leadership-"

[15:09] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[15:09] Speaker 1: "... in building, in building the infrastructure to hold ICE and Border Patrol agents accountable for criminal misconduct." Are these guys just flaming idiots or, or, I mean, did they, did they, did they drop the, the qualifications to become a, a, a, a district attorney and a mayor? I mean, what's going on, Randy?

[15:27] Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to give you a new term that I, I woke up at 2:30 in the morning, and I, and, and I, I, in a dream, it came to me. That there-

[15:37] Speaker 1: I've got one too. Let me hear yours.

[15:39] Speaker 3: ... that there is a new phrase that I am now going to utilize, and I'm gonna debut it here. Law enforcement derangement syndrome.

[15:48] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[15:49] Speaker 4: Oh. Oh.

[15:50] Speaker 3: I am... So you guys have been the first to hear it. You will be hearing it on some of the major networks here soon, because I've got several major news networks that I'm doing interviews with today. And I am going to use this term because I can't think of a more appropriate title for what is going on with these morons that are in positions of authority.

[16:13] Speaker 1: Wow. Wow.

[16:13] Speaker 3: Can you ima- Who's the first patrol officer (laughs) in Chicago that is going to do a crime report against a CBP officer or a, or an ICE officer? Um-

[16:24] Speaker 1: Well, if they, if they bring, if they re- if they reinstall Lori Lightfoot, you know, they may, they may have a, they may have a winner there.

[16:33] Speaker 3: This is unbelievable. It's, every day, there's something newer and more stupid coming from the leadership-

[16:42] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[16:42] Speaker 3: ... of, uh, of, of the, uh, cities in this country, some of the cities, blue cities, of course.

[16:48] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[16:48] Speaker 3: It is, it, it's, it's mind-boggling.

[16:50] Speaker 4: I, uh, I- Imagine, uh, uh, imagine if they would have taken all that assets, time and money and effort, to actually go after the criminals. Then-

[16:59] Speaker 3: Oh, my God.

[17:00] Speaker 4: I- it's, it's like, and it just... So they're just... This, this is by design, right? They wanna, they wanna create this narrative, right? If even though it, this is, it's ridiculous. Anybody with a brain, anybody who understands it understands that. But the fact that they did this, the fact that now it's a talking point, the fact that it's all over the news, this is gonna... Again, it goes into dismantling and discrediting our local law enforcement and federal law enforcement. That, that's all it is. It's, it's by design. And, um, it's like ju- just when you think like, "Hey, these people might like, you know, get a clue," they double down. They doubled that, uh, uh, uh, it's... I don't know where it ends, you know? But if you wanna talk about why people are so aggressive against ICE agent, this is it right here. This is just par for the course, you know?

[17:47] Speaker 3: And imagine this...

[17:48] Speaker 1: You know-

[17:48] Speaker 3: Okay, go ahead. Sorry, Chip.

[17:49] Speaker 1: Well, no. I was just... I was gonna say that you were talking about, you know, what they're doing, but, you know, they are... In Minneapolis, and I'm sure in Chicago, you know, they're in the police station not being allowed to go out and help out ICE and do what they're supposed to be doing, and they're saying, "Ah, we're short-staffed." But if there's a shooting that goes on and ICE is involved, or the feds, border patrol, or whoever, they're gonna send out the cops. All of a sudden, now, they have the manpower to be able to go and collect evidence and try to charge them. That's exactly what's gonna go on in Chicago. So, now, they're telling these guys to do the exact same thing, collect the evidence, build up a case. So, they're not gonna be getting re-... rid of people doing roadblocks and stop and p- and checking licenses, license plates, and all this stuff, or even crowd control measures to protect the, you know, the law enforcement and protect the citizens.

[18:30] Speaker 1: They're gonna wait 'til something bad happens as a result of their indifference, and, uh, now they're gonna have the manpower to try to pro- to- to do something against the feds, which is not gonna... which is not gonna... not gonna happen.

[18:41] Speaker 3: It's crazy.

[18:42] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[18:42] Speaker 3: And, you know, I was... I was thinking too, imagine this, right? Everybody talks about, you know, like for example, you know, if you're a loc-... if you're a... if you're a law enforcement officer anywhere, you are held to a standard. You're accountable for your actions. That... That's just the way it is, right? And they're like-... you know, a- a- as it should. When you have a d-... and again, I'm kinda go- going back here. Let- let's just go back to the checkpoint thing. Who's manning the checkpoint? Where's their accountability? Where's their training?

[19:07] Speaker 1: (laughs) Yeah.

[19:07] Speaker 3: Who... You know, do- do- do- do they even have... I mean, do- do they have weapons? If they're not showing 'em, I'm pretty sure at least a few of 'em do. So, you have these people who are not held to any standard and they're not accountable for anything. We're... And they... And then all, you know, the left is always complaining about, you know, "Hey, these people are outta control. They need more training. They're not qualified." Okay, so you're gonna put a bunch (laughs) of civilians in there who basically hate anybody who's not like them on a checkpoint with no accountability? And you're allowing this? This is... blows my mind.

[19:36] Speaker 3: Like it-

[19:37] Speaker 1: I know.

[19:37] Speaker 3: This is a recipe for major disaster. It's coming.

[19:40] Speaker 1: So, we have a question from Sergeant George asking what my thoughts are on Minneapolis cop... or Minneapolis... It's not Minneapolis police officers getting body cams. It was the federal agents assigned there getting body cams, and they're pulling 'em out. They're gonna leave some, but they're pulling 'em out. That's no big deal. You know, you gotta figure, you know, we're not doing... you know, they're not doing anything wrong. And... And whenever the camera footage starts being shown, you know, when it's available, like with good, everybody's saying, "Bad shoot, bad shoot, bad shoot." Guess what? Fantastic shoot. And... And... She's responsible for her own death, and she... and what hap-... what should have happened is what happened with her. So, you know, the... the camera's only gonna justify, you know, what... what we're doing. We got 10 seconds, guys. Another commercial break. Stick with us. We'll be right back. All right, guys.

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[21:41] Speaker 1: I made-

[21:42] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[21:42] Speaker 1: ... that up. But... But you don't want Randy Sutton showing up, you know, in- in- in Chicago. So, uh, don't... don't create that scenario where that has to happen. Uh, wow. We may just have to have a... a live conference there and do live feeds... do live shows from there. Can you imagine that?

[21:56] Speaker 3: Ooh. Ooh.

[21:56] Speaker 1: Yeah. Scott. Yeah, Scott, how about that?

[21:58] Speaker 3: I'll tell you, the... the scariest... the scariest things that I'm seeing in our nation today is the election of... of, uh, the socialists. Um, I mean, it's expanding despite all of the ins-... the insanity that we're seeing. The voters are putting people into office to do this. We're seeing it in Seattle, we're seeing it in Portland, we're seeing it in New York City, we're seeing it in Chicago, we're seeing it all over. And it's, uh... it... it is... it is mind-boggling. It's... it... it's irrational and it's... it's counterintuitive. And yet, how is it possible that, um... that those people that have common sense are just not even bothering to vote and to change the trajectory of the leadership of their... their own, uh, city-states? And... And it's... uh, I... it's very disappointing to see the apathy, um, that's... You know, you guys know I wrote that... uh, the book that came out about six months ago, Rescuing 911.

[22:55] Speaker 1: Rescuing 911.

[22:56] Speaker 3: The Fight for America's Safety.

[22:57] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[22:57] Speaker 3: And it is all about this... this topic. I mean, I wish every American would read that and then become a- an activist, even if that activism only encompasses getting your butt to the polls and being informed of the people who are running and putting people into office that have your... your values. Right now, um, we are seeing the degrading of America. And... And it's... And it's continuing. It's not... It's not stopping and it's not slowing.

[23:29] Speaker 1: Yeah, Rescuing 911.

[23:31] Speaker 3: I think... I think-

[23:31] Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, Rescuing 911. You guys have to check that out at amazon.com, I believe, Randy. I've got a little ticker going on the bottom of the screen for you, but, uh, amazon.com is the place to go, right?

[23:41] Speaker 3: Yes, it is.

[23:42] Speaker 1: All right. Well, I-

[23:42] Speaker 3: And they can also pick up any of my other books too.

[23:45] Speaker 1: Well, that's- Yeah ... you know that... that's true. And they can watch, you know, Casino, Miss Congeniality

[23:50] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[23:50] Speaker 1: Uh, you know. Don't make... Don't get me started, Randy. I got this memorized, dude. Photographic memory, dude.

[23:56] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[23:56] Speaker 1: Don't make... Don't make me show off. All right, Scott.

[23:58] Speaker 3: Hey, I wanna... I wanna... I wanna do a shout-out, though.... um, last weekend-

[24:02] Speaker 1: Gav- Gavin Newsom.

[24:03] Speaker 3: ... Sa- Sa- Safari- Safari Club International, a major conservation group, held a, uh, a banquet, uh, to raise money for their organization, but they also chose to raise money for The Wounded Blue.

[24:15] Speaker 1: Oh, really?

[24:15] Speaker 3: And it was incredibly successful. Almost 500 people showed up. And, uh, I don't have the final tally yet, but they raised a significant amount of money for The Wounded Blue. So, those of you who are watching this or listening to this, if your organization wants to support The Wounded Blue, who's helped now more than 17,000 American law enforcement officers, uh, who are, who have suffered injury, either physical or emotional, fi- uh, contact me personally, randy@thewoundedblue.org.

[24:43] Speaker 1: I love it.

[24:43] Speaker 3: Awesome.

[24:44] Speaker 1: Man, that, that- that's a great opportunity, guys. And you know, I support them monthly. And, and you know what? If you're looking for organizations that that's not gonna embarrass you, thewoundedblue.org. Uh, you know-

[24:53] Speaker 3: And I want you to know, I really appreciate that $1.95 a month from you.

[24:57] Speaker 1: (laughs) Oh, well that hurt. That hurt.

[25:00] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[25:00] Speaker 1: Scott, bail me out, Scott.

[25:02] Speaker 4: Every, every bit, every bit helps. Every bit helps. Yeah.

[25:06] Speaker 1: Well, you know, I, I do believe in giving monthly. The one-time shot in the arms are fine, but that monthly allows them to make decisions based on a budget when they have that recurring income.

[25:17] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it.

[25:17] Speaker 1: And it- and it- and it- it is true, when you... Like I use my credit card and, and, and it's f- you know, it- you know, I, I forget about it, but I mean, it- it- it- it goes out, and I mean, I, I budget accordingly, but it... And it's- i- it's- it's less likely you're gonna cancel when you have it on that credit card. So, it really allows them to make some really great business decisions. And so whenever Randy calls me and he tells me, "Hey, we just did this, we did that. Hey, we- we're going to Minneapolis, we're gonna help the cops out there," that is part of me that's doing that, 'cause I'm enabling them to do that by the money that I give.

[25:46] Speaker 1: And so-

[25:47] Speaker 3: That's right.

[25:48] Speaker 1: ... I- I'm- I- it's a great feeling. I tell you, when I put my head on my- my pillow at night, you know, there are some things that I'm involved with, and maybe I'm not, you know, hands-on doing it, but I am, uh, uh, you know, I'm- I'm- I'm contributing and allowing other people to do that. So yeah, so if you guys wanna be part of really good stuff like that that's going on, um, The Wounded Blue at thewoundedblue.org. Can't say enough about 'em. And, uh, we also have that glove challenge going as well. And I know that some of you guys have been donating, and Travis Yates, you know, panelist Travis Yates, and I both got gloved during SHOT Show.

[26:19] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[26:19] Speaker 1: And so the competition has happened. They recorded time, and they're gonna announce the winner at the end of February. I suspect it'll probably be March the 1st. I think it's a Sunday. It may be March the 2nd when they make the announcement on, which would be a Monday. Uh, but they're gonna make that announcement. And so if you guys donate to The Wounded Blue, they've got a landing page. If you go to thewoundedblue.org and go to the Events section, you'll see a landing page. You click on the graphic and it takes you to a, a donation page. You had the option, you can put in my name, Chip DeBlok, or Travis Yates, on whoever you think could- could not comply the longest, whoever will last the longest without complying while- while the glove was attached. And whoever wins, whether it's me or Travis, we get a pair of the gloves that we can donate to an agency, 'cause they can only be owned by a law enforcement agency.

[27:04] Speaker 1: And if you're the top contributor to The Wounded Blue, in the name of the guy that ends up winning, you also get a pair, a free pair of gloves. They're valued at over $1,700 and you can donate them to an agency as well. If you're still an active duty law enforcement officer and you work for an agency, pfft, donate 'em to your agency. Li- good likelihood you're gonna be the dude carrying them, and training on how they carry 'em, and then it gets them, the foot in the door at the agency as well. It's- it's a win-win. So, um, The Wounded Blue, thewoundedblue.org, they got a lot of stuff going on in the landing pages there. Just so you guys are comfortable, you know that it's a legit fundraiser and it- it's just a win-win for everybody.

[27:40] Speaker 1: So, um, and- and- and-

[27:41] Speaker 3: And you get to watch, and you get to watch Chip almost urinate on himself with the, uh...

[27:46] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[27:46] Speaker 3: ... while getting gloved.

[27:47] Speaker 1: The first thing I did when I got done, I had to look down and make sure there was no-

[27:51] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[27:51] Speaker 1: ... there was no stain. (laughs) Yeah, it's amazing how, what diapers really work, you know? I mean, you know, the whole idea.

[27:59] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[27:59] Speaker 1: All right, we got, we got four minutes.

[28:01] Speaker 4: All right.

[28:01] Speaker 1: So, um, let's- let's hop off of Chicago, and let's go to our first update. Um, abcnewsgo.com, NYPD officer charged in a cooler throw death that he says was, he's trying to like, protect his colleagues. I'm gonna go through this fast 'cause we got some other really good stuff too. This guy's a sergeant. There's a video. We covered this a couple years ago. He- he- he threw a plastic cooler at a guy that's running from officers on a motorized scooter, and he caused a crash that ended up killing the driver. He said he was trying to protect the other officers from being injured 'cause the guy was headed towards them. And they charged him with manslaughter. He's currently in trial. His name is Officer Eric Duran, and he said he was not trying to injure Eric Dupre, uh, 30 years old, who ended up dying when he threw the cooler, which was full of ice, water, and sodas, back in August of 2023.

[28:45] Speaker 1: Authorities said that Dupre, a father of, uh, three, had just sold drugs to an undercover officer when he, when he tried to drive off. Well, he- he did drive off. And they're, the father of three, they're trying to make him sound like some saint. Just freaking, you know, a- a- a drug... Uh, well, he said he just sold drugs. He was a, he was a, not just a... He's a drug pusher, you know? He's a drug, uh, a drug thug. Uh, Dupre was not wearing a helmet, lost control of the scooter, crashed into a tree, fell to the pavement, fatal head injuries, died almost instantaneously. And, uh, Duran told the court that he was gonna crash into us. I didn't have time. All I had time was try to grab something, try to get him to change directions or whatever. Prosecutor said, "Well, if you didn't have time to warn your officers, how did you have time to pick up the cooler?" So that, it was kind of going back and forth and stuff.

[29:28] Speaker 1: Uh, Joseph Bianca was the, uh, one of the prosecutors in the case that was like, you know, uh, interviewing the officer and stuff. So they haven't had a, uh, a verdict yet on this. Duran faces up to 25 years in prison if he's convicted on the manslaughter count. And the closing arguments are scheduled for Tuesday. Um, Scott, why don't you take this one first?

[29:46] Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I mean, uh, again, if the guy wasn't committing a crime, uh, he wouldn't have been in that position. And that- that- that's- that's the thing is like they... Uh, it's like, everybody who ends up in these situations where, you know, there's excessive use of whatever, it's always because they're doing something that would require the law enforcement guys-

[30:07] Speaker 1: Yeah. Comply.

[30:08] Speaker 4: ... to comply.

[30:08] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[30:09] Speaker 3: It's simple.

[30:10] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[30:10] Speaker 3: It's simple. There's- there's literally millions of Americans out there that don't have interactions with law enforcement simply because they're not criminals. It's very simple.

[30:19] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[30:20] Speaker 3: It's really ... It's not, it's not br- ... And th- and then they always go to the, "Oh, they had a family." Okay. Well, what about officers who die every day? They have families. What about, um, you know, Lake and Riley. She had a fam- ... You know, you could go on and on.

[30:33] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[30:33] Speaker 3: It's just it's so, it's so obvious, but yet to Randy's point, it's like these people-

[30:38] Speaker 1: Hey.

[30:38] Speaker 3: ... they continue to vote the wrong way. It's like at some point it's like w- what do you do?

[30:44] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[30:44] Speaker 3: So we, you know ... We have seen in New York once again, um, a- a- a, um, methodology being employed by the District Attorney's Office where they- they seem to be very anxious to prosecute police officers and really hesitant to, uh, prosecute offenders. You know, this- this ... The no bail, low bail that we've seen. The criminal justice system is- is broken. And the- the reality is this, that this officer ... This is where civil lawsuits are supposed to be the- the avenue, uh, that- that is, uh, that is utilized when there are "wrongful deaths." That's the- that is the forum which should be utilized.

[31:30] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[31:30] Speaker 3: To charge this guy criminally, um, it ... To me, is- is really excessive. And his- his life is destroyed, his career is destroyed, um, because he, uh, because he- he- he knocked a guy off a motorbike who was escaping. Come on, are you kidding me?

[31:48] Speaker 1: Yeah. This is a civil situation at best, not criminal. And they're really gonna run the risk of- of guys not wanting to be cops in New York because of it. Um, we're coming up on our third commercial break, guys. Stick with us, we'll be right back. All right, guys. It's time to talk about GunLearn at gunlearn.com. And as law enforcement officers, we deal with guns and we deal with ammunition every day, but it's what we don't know about them that gets us into trouble. Injuries, civil lawsuits, accidental discharges, misidentifications, lost prosecutions, and disciplinary issues, but GunLearn.com, they have your back. You can quickly become extremely firearm knowledgeable by simply learning 14 training modules from the convenience of your home or your office, or by attending a live seminar at GunLearn.com. You can also become a safe, accurate, and competent certified firearm specialist like our very own Captain Brett Bartlett and also Attorney Ken Affianco.

[32:34] Speaker 1: Now, the course has had huge success in raising the bar of firearm knowledge, and GunLearn has been a trusted source since way back in 2011 by gun manufacturers, federal agencies, forensic organizations, and police departments nationwide. Now, here's the best part. If you have your own agency, if you're a chief or sheriff, you can actually host a seminar for absolutely no cost. This is an amazing opportunity. Founder Dan O'Kelly put it together. Go to GunLearn.com to get more information. Again, that is GunLearn.com. Welcome back. Leo Roundtable at leoroundtable.com, the law enforcement talk show. My name is Chip The Block and I'm your host. We're joined by Lieutenant Randy Sutton with the Wounded Blue, and Scott Starr, former Green Beret Delta Force operator. And guys, do you mind if I- if- if I- if I kinda go out of order and I grab the other New York story with the security guards?

[33:16] Speaker 1: 'Cause Randy was saying that they don't, you know, they don't like to, you know, about who they like to- to put in jail. Well, they are- they are targeting security guards, dude (laughs) . I- I love this 'cause- 'cause we've done this. We've- we've tried to go into places, even like strip clubs and stuff, and they wouldn't- wouldn't let us in. I mean, we've- we've latched onto people, thrown them in jail. So, rvmnews.com, which is Red Voice Media, uh, security guards arrested after blocking NYPD access to psychiatric ward at Brooklyn Hospital. Um, so we have, uh, two hospital security guards end up being arrested early on Monday after allegedly preventing New York City police officers from entering a psychiatric ward. I guess they still got one in the country, it's in New York of all places. They probably need it there the most. It's at a Brooklyn hospital where an officer had called for assistance according to law enforcement sources and reported by the New York Post.

[34:01] Speaker 1: Now, it starts about 4:50 in the morning, it's on Monday, at Kings County Hospital Center, which happens to be in Brooklyn. Now, sources said that NYPD ... There was an officer that was in the hospital in this psych ward assigned to supervise a prisoner who's getting psychiatric treatment inside the psych ward. Now, during the assignment, the officer goes out on the radio. He's asking for help from fellow NYPD people, so man, the officers, they respond and they get denied access to the ward. They won't let them in. Now, according to sources, Kadeem Alfred ... Now, Kadeem should give you a little insight on to who this guy is, by his nationality. Yeah. He's 32 years old, he's a security guard working for a private, uh, company assigned to the ward. He refuses to open the doors and let the cops in to back up, you know, their fellow compadre.

[34:46] Speaker 1: And he allegedly told the responding officers while they're on the other side of the door that hey, uh, that they could not enter until he got approval from a supervisor who is a guy named Michael Kee, who's 53 years old. They both- they both got arrested. So, the delay continued until the officers were eventually allowed access into the ward. Once inside, the officer requesting help, he's not injured, e- everything ended up being okay. A- and then they, uh, took enforcement action against the hospital security staff. Alfred was arrested on charges of obstruction of a governmental op-, uh, administration, a misdemeanor offense, and, um, and it says that Kee, the supervisor, was arrested after allegedly attempting to interfere with Alfred's arrest. So, that's the way it goes down. Both Alfred and Kee were issued desk appearance tickets and expected to appear in court at a later date. So it sounds like ... We call it like a recog.

[35:35] Speaker 1: So maybe they weren't taken down to jail, but they were ... Don't get ... But make no mistake about it, they were arrested and just released on their promise to appear in court. The incident drew swift attention according to the PBA, the Police Benevolent Association, which represents NYPD. The president is now Patrick Henry and he's calling on city hospitals to implement changes to ensure officers are able to receive immediate assistance when requested. And he says, "Hey, when a police officer calls for help, absolutely nothing should delay that help from getting there." And he said that in a statement. Now, this is interesting. This happens after another high-profile incident involving NYPD officers at a city hospital. In that case, the NYPD said that a group of detectives was disrespected at NYU Langone Cobble Hill after hospital staff mistook them for federal ICE agents, if you can believe that. NYPD, wow. Um, Randy Sutton.

[36:27] Speaker 3: (laughs) Law enforcement-

[36:31] Speaker 1: Derangement syndrome. (laughs)

[36:32] Speaker 3: (laughs) Okay, here we are.

[36:34] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[36:34] Speaker 3: Here we are, another prime example. Those guys needed to go to jail. Can you imagine being the officer calling for help? I mean, thank God-

[36:41] Speaker 1: Ah.

[36:41] Speaker 3: ... it turned out that, that, that this turned out okay. But that could've been a, a f- that could've been a fatal, um, that could've been a f- a, a fatal incident. You know, you're in, you're i- uh, uh... I mean, we've all been in psychiatric wards, right? Not, not as-

[36:55] Speaker 1: Well-

[36:56] Speaker 3: ... guests-

[36:56] Speaker 1: Well.

[36:56] Speaker 3: ... but, you know. I mean. (laughs)

[36:58] Speaker 1: (laughs) Yeah, well, yeah.

[36:59] Speaker 3: (laughs) Well... But, but th- that's a dangerous place to be. And generally speaking, you don't have your weapon to defend yourself. So, w- if this guy's calling for help, that's about as scary a situation as it gets. And I could just see them calling in ESU to go there and, and, and, uh, breach the doors. That's... I think I, I would've... I think, if the, if time had, had allowed that, they probably would've done that, and then, and then...

[37:24] Speaker 3: (laughs) And then-

[37:25] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[37:25] Speaker 3: ... you know, blown the doors off the hinges, right? Well, you know, if it... This is how, this is how it always starts. You get a breakdown of leadership in law enforcement, you know, like, or the mayor, or whatever, politicians, they are constantly just... There's a breakdown. There's, they're, th- th- th- the, the, these, these security guards, uh, that they feel empowered. They listen to th-

[37:47] Speaker 3: (clears throat They listen to the propaganda every day. "You don't have to do this." It's like, then they buy into it. Mm-hmm. And here we are, you know? And then if, and then if, and if they did bring the battering ram, and then it turned into this escalation of war, then all of a sudden the cops are out of control, because they're trying to break into... You see how that works? And all because they had to. They were put into a position. Same thing with the ice. If they would've just arrested in the beginning, just started doing, you know, doing their job, you know, like, sending criminals off and handing them off to ice, or, or hell, just, uh, or heck, just arrest them. Just arrest them. Just, just- Yeah. ... do your job, and we wouldn't be here. So... Go ahead. So, you know, you, uh, I don't know if you saw who Mondaine just appointed as the head of the Corrections, uh, section of the NY... of, of the New York City? Did you see who he, who is now the- I can't wait to hear this, no. He's a felon. Oh. He's- I think so. ... he served time in the same institution that he is now in charge of. Yeah. Be good. Yeah, that's perfect then. So the, so the fox is truly in the henhouse. Yeah. I-I don't have a lot of sympathy since they voted him into office. But we'll let it, we'll let it play out. Um, I remember, and I know we only got three, three, a little over three minutes, but I remember having to call- (clears throat)

[38:57] Speaker 1: ... the police impound lot. We had some civilians in charge that wouldn't let us in. We called, we called our bosses, and they said, "You know what? Give them one more warning, and then throw them in jail. Breach it, go and grab them," and they op- they, they ended up letting us in. I- it's just some crazy stuff going on. Hey, um, this story's got a video component at rumble.com. This is Butter, our favorite law enforcement video channel. Bakersfield Police body cam shows officer shooting Fabian Lopez, leaving him in critical condition.

[39:21] Speaker 3: Show me your (beep) hands. (cursing) (gunshots) Drop the (beep) gun.

[39:56] Speaker 1: So, yeah, we're in California. Bakersfield Police Department said on Monday morning, December the 29th, 2025, 2:15 in the morning, two Bakersfield police officers, uh, they're in a patrol unit, they're doing a vehicle code enforcement traffic stop and the vehicle the officers were attempting to stop eventually yielded, and the guy inside the stopped vehicle, he takes off on foot. Officer catches up with the suspect, there's a struggle.

[40:18] Speaker 3: (sniffs)

[40:18] Speaker 1: During the struggle, the subject, um, he takes out a handgun and points it at the officer. Now, the video shows the officer discharging his gun, and the suspect allegedly pointing a gun at the officer. The suspect is seen on the video getting up-

[40:29] Speaker 3: (coughs)

[40:29] Speaker 1: ... from the ground, proceeding to allegedly point the gun at the officer. The officers are demanding the suspect drop the gun, and discharging his firearm. And video shows the suspect, you know, tossing the gun. And, uh, the suspect identified as Fabian Lopez, taken to the hospital in critical condition. Now, it's kind of on my show notes. As the officer's chasing the suspect on foot after he bails from, uh, the vehicle in the traffic stop, shots fired at 35-second mark, again at the 40-second mark when the suspect, uh, sat up from the ground and he ends up pointing the gun at the officer and, uh, shots fired again at the 47-second mark when the suspect stands up with a firearm, and then again at the 53. So we had four different shootings. The guy just, you know... I don't know if the cop's missing or what's going on, but dude, it's like, it's like... it's a little embarrassing, but, um, I'm glad the good guys won on this one.

[41:16] Speaker 1: But, um, but I have in my notes, out the words, uh, an officer told another cop that he was good, but he didn't mean a good shot. (laughs)

[41:24] Speaker 3: Yeah. Like... Yeah, yeah. Scott- I, I think he wa- he was hit. He was hit. He was just very committed. And it really shows you, um... You know, most people think, "Oh, my God. He got shot," so, you know, when you get shot- Totally. ... you go down, right? And that's not reality. The- No. ... the human body can take incredible amounts of punishment. He was still an active threat numerous times, numerous times. He kept on, he kept on pointing out that weapon. And thank God for the body cams, right? Oh, yeah. Because, because that really shows that the... his, his reaction, he wasn't gonna surrender. Yeah.

[41:59] Speaker 1: And, and that... This is a great example of why, you know, I, uh, th- those, those bystanders or the backseat drivers are like, "Well, they didn't need to shoot, you know, five or six..." This is why. You continue- Yep

[42:10] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[42:10] Speaker 1: ... to engage the subject until he's no longer a threat. That's why. And then, of course, I don't know if he hit him or not. But, uh, it, it's, uh, at that point, you don't... you're not thinking, like, "Am I hitting them right?" You're just... continue to do your job, hopefully it eliminates the threat. Because who knows? Could have had body armor on.

[42:26] Speaker 3: Sure.

[42:26] Speaker 1: You don't know. You didn't... You don't, you don't know going into that. I mean, I'm sure cops have seen a lot weirder stuff. So, um, it's just a good example of why cops are trained to do what they're supposed to do, continue to fight, continue to shoot until he's no longer a threat. That's why.

[42:40] Speaker 3: Yeah. And here's, here's another aspect that, that, um... There are now some jurisdictions that, that refuse... that it is now against policy to do... to conduct foot pursuits.

[42:53] Speaker 1: Is that, is that by yourself or just period?

[42:56] Speaker 3: Period.

[42:57] Speaker 1: Oh, shoot.

[42:59] Speaker 3: Yeah. There are now, there are now jurisdictions that, uh, are, uh, that un- unless you can articulate that this guy is a deadly threat, you're not even allowed to chase him on foot.

[43:10] Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah. I, I know... I remember when, in Tampa, we couldn't even chase car thieves in stolen cars. And they'd just pull over and stop and wave and flip us off and knowing that we couldn't chase them and stuff. But, yeah, that's e- that's even worse, what you're talking about, Randy. Wow. Yeah. Well, guys, we are... it's been a great show. Lieutenant Randy Sutton. And, uh, thanks for being the bearer of bad news on that last one. What a shocker. But, uh, randy suttonthewoundablue.org and also scott stier. Uh, uh, we usually take this opportunity to talk about The Wounded Blue, Randy Sutton's organization. Uh, we got just seconds, but do you have anything special coming up, Randy, with The Wounded Blue?

[43:43] Speaker 3: I do, but I can't announce it yet.

[43:44] Speaker 1: Oh.

[43:45] Speaker 3: We got something big coming up. And you guys are gonna love it. And I'm gonna expect you to be at this event, because this is gonna be a big one.

[43:54] Speaker 1: All right. So it will be blinking-

[43:55] Speaker 3: Keep your eye on thewoundedblue.org for the announcement.

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