[00:03] Speaker 1: Welcome, everyone. It is February 22nd, 2026. We are in a s- another storm watch here in Western Mass. I am Robin O'Heron, the co-host, and this is the Morgellons ThinkTank BBC Podcast of the Week. (laughs) That's a mouthful. Um, so, you know, M- Morgellons is such a confusing, horrifying, scary, un- understandable disease. And if you are fighting with Morgellons and you have used up all the things you can think of, and you don't know where to go, and you can't get well, you're in the right place, because this is a community with solutions, answers, and help. And that's why we do this. We are now a podcast, which is exciting. You can hear us... I don't know what the link for the podcast is. But I'm sure Richard will let us know. And, um, we have great hosts. We have Richard Kunes, the author of How To Get Your Life Back From Lyme, Morgellons, and Other Skin Parasites. And we have a- another guest who's not with us today. She is not...

[01:31] Speaker 1: She's under the weather, but, but will be back, so, um, I'm gonna turn it over to Richard Kunes, world-leading expert on How To Get Your Life Back From Lyme, Morgellons, and Other Skin Parasites.

[01:46] Speaker 2: Thank you, Robin. Good afternoon, everybody. Uh, it's, uh, starting to be a snowy day here in New Jersey. Uh, expecting 10 inches, and that's not something that I relish, uh, dealing with tomorrow. Um-

[02:00] Speaker 1: Oh, no.

[02:01] Speaker 2: W- let's get started with the, uh, uh, federal regulations, uh, uh, which we want to be in compliance with. The federal regulations of the FDA require that I inform you that before you start my miraculous diet or accept any recommendations, uh, that we discuss here today, that you are to discuss them with your medical doctor to make sure they do not interfere with any health problems you're presently experiencing. Uh, the FDA has not evaluated anything that we will be sharing or saying here today. The AMA requires me to inform you that none of us are trained, licensed physicians, and therefore, we are not allowed to diagnose, treat, cure, mitigate, or prevent disease, and we have no interest in doing any of that. Uh, what we are allowed to do by law is to educate you. We can educate you how to use this amazing diet. We can educate you how to clean your environment.

[03:20] Speaker 2: We can educate you how to build health and immune functioning, and we can educate you how to, you know, uh, beat these things. That's what we can do. So, uh, today's topic is, what is Morgellons? Uh, Carrie was going to be with us. Unfortunately, she just texted me and let me know that she is, uh, way late. She may j- uh, join us later, uh, something about, uh, having, uh, had to go to the hospital or whatever. But, uh, uh, in any event, I will go ahead as we had originally planned. Uh, what is Morgellons? Now, first of all, being this a podcast, the first time you may have joined in, the question in your mind may be, "Well, do I have Morgellons?" So, let's go over what we would expect that you would find if you are dealing with Morgellons, so we'll take that question out of your mind, and you'll have an answer as to whether you're dealing with Morgellons or not. Those with Morgellons, according to Dr. Savely, we- we use her definition.

[04:42] Speaker 2: She wrote a book called Morgellons: The Legitimization of a Disease. Uh, the- the only thing that really defines Morgellons is the growth of abnormal filaments and fibers from your skin. Now, these filaments and fibers, and we'll talk more about them later on, can be of various colors. Uh, often believed to be fluorescence. They can be of various lengths and thicknesses, and some can be kind of micr- uh, microscopic, so that you'd have to have a actual 60 power scope in order to actually see it. Uh, in which case, you wouldn't really be seeing them, but you would find accumulations of them. So, for instance, in your bedding and clothing, you'd find lint-like, uh, substances, uh, balled up, and that would be an indication that, uh, Morgellons is active in your body. Now, people with Morgellons often have non-healing ulcerated ulcerations-Now, this could also be a sign of other skin parasites. It's not specific to Morgellons. Slow healing, uh, lesions.

[06:14] Speaker 2: Uh, that could also mean Columbola infestation. Now, itching to the degree that it feels like you're sleeping on shards, like the itching is from under the skin. Again, Morgellons and also could be Columbola, or Columbola. I don't know how it's actually pronounced. Maybe someone will educate me one day as to the correct pronunciation. So, then there is also a biting sensation often accompanying. The biting sensation feels like it goes to the core of the bone. Uh, that is also could be Columbola. So, and the reality is, we find that generally 90% of those who are dealing with Morgellons are also dealing with Columbola. And, also mites. M-I-T-E-S. Uh, burning of the skin. Well, this is more specific associated with, uh, skin fungus rather than Morgellons. And then the biting to the bone. Okay, this could be Columbola, as I mentioned earlier, or it could be skin fungus. Uh, now skin fungus, the difference is the biting to the bone can move. Where, what do I mean move?

[07:48] Speaker 2: Well, it might start, uh, say anywhere like on your shoulder and two minutes later it's shifted to the back of the shoulder, from the front to the back, or, or down the arm or some... It, it, it'll, uh, move. Okay, so there you have it as to whether you're dealing with, uh, uh, Morgellons is that if there's no presence of filaments and fibers, it doesn't mean you don't have a, a skin parasite. Simply means that you're not dealing with, uh, Morgellons disease. Okay. Now, what is Morgellons? Well, it starts differently with different people. Uh, I'm more familiar with the, uh, it, it might look like psoriasis in the beginning. A, a reddish area on your skin. And if you don't know what to do about it, it will quickly become ulcerated and with the filaments and fibers beginning to grow out of it. Uh, it can start in other ways as well but, uh, that's the one that I'm more familiar with.

[09:10] Speaker 2: The images of these filaments and fibers if you are following Facebook, and I was going to ask Carrie about this because, uh, she is the moderator of the Facebook group, uh, Morgellons Uncensored, and if you are a member of that group or have ever been, uh, looking at these different Morgellons groups, that's basically 90% of what you're gonna see. People publishing photographs of filaments and fibers, and there are no two pictures that are exactly alike. See, this is the interesting thing about Morgellons. If you are so fortunate enough to find the magic solution (laughs) and feel that you're rid of Morgellons, it's so easy to think, well, if everybody did it, if everybody did what I did, then everybody would be... It doesn't work that way, because Morgellons, there are no two people experiencing Morgellons with exactly the same symptomatology.

[10:24] Speaker 2: Uh, I published a, uh, blog post some time ago and I wish I could take a picture of it here for you, but the filament is in the form of a bow tie, and the bow tie in length and from one end to the other is no more than maybe a half inch, and you wonder how in the hell could this bow tie be created? How, how did it happen? Well, somehow it did. We don't know the answers to this. All we know is these filaments and fibers are comprised of keratin and collagen, and this particular bow tie I know is not just some strange thing because two people have submitted pictures of that, uh, particular bow tie, so it's, it's not just that these things, uh, uh, suddenly appear. So, no two people have the same filaments in terms of length and color, in terms of size or anything like that. So, everybody's filaments and fibers are a variation and are different. Different thicknesses, different lengths. Some white, black. Now goo.

[11:45] Speaker 2: Many people have goo, a biofilm coming from their skin, and this can vary in colors as well. Black and gooey, uh, white-ish, uh, uh, so again some people have it, some people don't, and you may have a goo and one, and a white filament and th- you know, there, there's no two people that have exactly the same thing.Many people have prurigo nodularis. What is that? These are the bumps on their skin. Uh, they're believed to be a viral possibility, bacterial. Uh, if you look it up, there's really... It, it's kind of like an unknown thing. We... What we do know is that people progressing with the program that we have, with the, uh, uh, King Diet, these bumps do disappear and leave in time. Uh, some have aches and pains, like fibromyalgia. I'd say probably 35%, 50% of the people, uh, have, have, uh, this issue going on. Now, sparkles. Oh, yes. Um, I had them. Uh, like the little sp-...

[13:01] Speaker 2: Like, if you're, uh, standing in front of a window with the sun coming in and you look at your skin, it's all sparkly. A lot of sparkles going on. Exactly what they are? Well, when I looked at them under a microscope myself, uh, many years ago, they were s- a perfect sphere, which, uh, indicated to me it was probably some kind of egg of, of mites. And there again, mites. It seems that 90% of those who are dealing with Morgellons are also... Well, you know, actually it's probably closer to 100%, uh, are dealing with some kind of mite that, uh, infests their skin. Now, of course, if you go to the epidemiologist and the experts in the college and your local, uh, uh, county, uh, organization that, that, uh, that deals with pests and, you know, the mosquito people and, and you talk to them about mites, they will tell you, "They can't live on your skin." Well, they're, they're wrong.

[14:07] Speaker 2: Uh, in fact, uh, probably although 100% of us do have infestations of mites, for maybe 30% to 40% it's very serious. For me, it wasn't a big deal, and they went away in time. I had them generally around my eyes, and every now and then I'd see a little black thing coming out and then... Or whatever. And, uh, over time, uh, that had stopped. But some, it's not that easy. Now, what else? Well, some have stomach and intestinal issues, and many don't. Uh, those with stomach and intestinal issues, that can be a big issue, because that means their, (laughs) their gut biome is really messed up. And if a gut biome is really messed up, their health is messed up, and their whole body is, is kind of in, in, uh, poor shape. So, that's something we do work on and we focus on, uh, in, in dealing with. Now, teeth. Uh, Morgellons loves the teeth and the mouth, but not everybody's affected that way. But many people, they have a, a big problem. So, you see, look at these different symptoms.

[15:25] Speaker 2: No two people have exactly the same things going on. It's a hodgepodge. Some have this and that and so forth. Paranoia. Yes, there are some people who are very paranoid and think that the government is after them, and it affects them. Uh, bipolar symptoms. In fact, uh, Dr. Bransfield, a psychiatrist, uh, is, is a m- uh, associated with the, uh, uh, Charles Hauman Association or Foundation, uh, in which they, uh, focus mainly on, and I'll talk more about it later, more on Morgellons being connected with Lyme disease. And they use, uh, antibody- antibiotic rotations for treatment, but we'll talk more about that later on. Brain fog. Well, a large percentage of people have, uh, brain fog, and some don't. But, uh, you know, you walk into a room to get, uh... Say you're gonna walk into a room to pick up your pen because you wanted to, uh, write something down. And the moment you walk into the room you f-... You forget, why am I coming in here? What am I coming in here for? Forgetfulness.

[16:33] Speaker 2: Okay? So, you know, there's a... Uh, is it dementia or just, uh, Morgellons? So, so, uh, that usually clears up as we get the diet working and, uh, and, and build health and immune functioning, that, uh, clea- clears up. Disfiguring lesions. Some do and some don't. Our coach, Sharon, can share her experience of the disfiguring lesions, uh, practically on, uh, the whole, uh, I believe it was the right side of her face. Uh, s-... The rashes. They vary in size and color and location and intensity, and some people don't have them. Uh, some people have intense itching, as I mentioned earlier, like it's... And some don't. Uh, many feel the experience of being bitten, like I mentioned f- before. The bite that feels like it goes to the bone, and some don't. Burning skin. That's associated with, uh, uh, skin fungus, and some don't. Uh, some have intense scalp issues (phone chimes) and it drives them crazy, and others don't. Uh, some have hives near the anus, but most don't.

[17:55] Speaker 2: This would be connected per- perhaps with Strongyloides Stercolus. Uh, you see, the list goes on and on. It gets more complicated because everyone has more of the symptoms listed in addition to these strange filaments. So, how in the heck could anyone possibly think...... that you could find something on Facebook that would work for you when we haven't even talked about disinfecting your environment, we haven't even talked about to clean out, clean your skin. Gosh, I mean, this is complicated and nobody, no two people have exactly the same symptomatology. It just doesn't work that way. But it doesn't mean that we can't put the pieces of the puzzle together and get well and get our lives back. So, it's really mind-boggling. Now, what's even more frustrating is that the experts, who claim to be experts about Morgellons, they're all pigeonholed. Pigeonholed. Yes, the experts, there's one set of experts, it's Lyme disease.

[19:21] Speaker 2: Well, I had Lyme disease, but I didn't have Morgellons at that time. And I would say, yeah, Lyme disease probably 30%, 40% perhaps of the people in, in the group are dealing with Lyme disease. Uh, I spoke to a doctor in, uh, Europe. To him, it was helminths, worms, that's what Morgellons was to him. Uh, there's a fellow in, uh, Texas, he, he's a magnet guy, I forget his name, to him, it's myiasis. That's, uh, like, uh, midges breeding under your skin. Um, Hans, I forget his last name, he does a lot of videos. To him, it's fungal. And you know what? He's most likely correct. It is most likely fungal. But as far as I'm concerned, I don't care what it is. It doesn't matter to me. I don't care where it came from. I don't care whether it came from Plum Island or government research gone haywire. That would be Plum Island as well. It doesn't matter, because we know what to do about it. So, these co-factors differ from person to person. Back to Lyme disease.

[20:48] Speaker 2: A pilot study research done by Mittelstein and Strickler found that 90% of Morgellons afflicted people have one or more variations of spirochetes, but not 100%. And again, as I mentioned, my experience is less than that. They, their pilot studies are like 12 people, so it's not really something that you can go to the bank with. Uh, as, as my experience in talking with and working with thousands of people, I don't believe that. Uh, there's one person that, uh, believes that syphilis is involved. That's also a spirochete, by the way. Perhaps maybe 5%. Uh, Dr. Svejda who I mentioned earlier claims chlamydia, not the sexual type, is often a co-factor. You see, we realize these are co-factors, but some people get pigeonholed into thinking that's it. Fungal issues, they're far more prevalent.

[21:49] Speaker 2: I bet that 90%, if, if Morgellons is, is indeed fungal which I believe it is, that's 100%, but there are many other fungal, the typical one is like Candida albicans that, uh, most people experience and there are other fungal, uh, issues that can be, uh, uh, present as well. Now, Dr. Dave, Jay Davidson here, a parasitologist in New Jersey, uh, he claims that 100% of us are affected with pinhook round, toxocara, flatworms, tapeworms that can be dormant for years and along comes with Morgellons and they come into play and become an issue. Again, Morgellons is not worms, but these are co-factors. So, when we look at these things more as co-factors, then that's what Morgellons is, then we might get somewhere. Uh, I mentioned, uh, earlier, leaky gut.

[22:49] Speaker 2: Well, gut problems, I didn't mis- mention, uh, leaky gut particularly, but 20% of us are dealing with leaky gut which means that, uh, well, the Candida albicans and the worms have just gotten into the superhighway of the bloodstream and distributed throughout your body. That's what that means. Uh, slime mold. Yes, you often see articles and people saying, "Oh, yeah, it all stopped. I moved into this house. It was a brand new home." And then things broke down and, and they got, uh, the sewer got flooded and, and the... Yeah. Slime mold definitely is a issue for relatively small percentage. Uh, approximately 20 people live in moldy environments and that can be a complication, a co-factor. Uh, some people believe that Morgellons is an insect of some type, but it's not. You know, as I, I, I, uh, I believe Hans, it's, it's, uh, more fungal. But, you know, the ins- the interesting thing is you could get bitten by an insect that is carrying Morgellons.

[24:06] Speaker 2: That in- that bite, the- they lay their eggs or whatever, and then those insects will then be breeding under your skin and they're parasitized. So, when they come through your skin...And this is another difference, not everybody has this, but people have different things emerging from their skin. Now, if it's of insect variety, then the DNA is modified and the organism coming out is not like the one that bit you. Say, for instance, you were bitten by an infected spider. They got eight legs. And if that organism is then breeding under your skin and emerging from your skin, instead of eight legs, it might have 16 legs, as a, uh, sufferer had sent me a picture of one that came out of her body. Barbs coming out of your body. They could be short barbs, long barbs, goo- gooey, gunk. I mean, you, looking at Facebook you can see all the pictures.

[25:20] Speaker 2: In fact, if you look at the cover of my book, uh, Morgellons the Legiti- Morgellons, Uh, Help to Get Your Life Back from Morgellons and Other Skin Parasites, you see globular things there, uh, all reported having come out of somebody's, uh, skin. So, the organisms and the type of things emerging, they're all different. Uh, no two people have exactly the same thing going on. How can we possibly expect that there would be one solution to cure all, or to help all? Well, here's another thing. There is a website that claims that Morgellons is a concrete-eating organism. Concrete, you know, the stuff they make floors out of, build bridges of. But Morgellons, these organisms can eat wood, concrete, ceramics, metal. People report finding the organisms in their canned food. My first thought when I heard these reports were, okay, that we talked about paranoia before, it can affect the mind, but I, I never, never am critical of someone who reports something to me. I never invalidate them.

[26:45] Speaker 2: And after I heard a half a dozen people telling me the same thing, I knew there had to be something to it. And what did it? It is not Morgellons. It's an organism that is a carrier for Morgellons, just as mites can carry Morgellons, that emits either an enzyme or an acid, we don't know which, that actually can eat through metal cans. And I guess the hole is so tiny that, uh, the, the food doesn't leak out, but the organism can go in. I don't know how that works, but nevertheless, I don't doubt. We mentioned myiasis before. There's a small percentage of people dealing with that. Could be from a fly or being bitten by a midge. Uh, usually it happens in the, uh, tropical areas and maybe 5% of the people are dealing with something like that. Filarasis, tropical disease caused the presence of filarial worm. Again, maybe in this country, 2 or 3% that are affected by, by this. Heavy metal toxicity.

[27:51] Speaker 2: Well, heavy metal tox- toxicity is an issue for 90% or more of us, because of the amalgam fillings that we've gotten as, as, uh, children and as, as we were growing up. Uh, the mercury. Well, that's not the only metal. There's cobalt, there's ca- uh, cadmium, uh, iron, lead. All these metals can accumulate and become an issue. And there is a doctor, uh, oh, I forget his name, Adanin, who, uh, years ago, uh, his whole thing was, if you want to get rid of Morgellons, you got to get rid of all your fillings. Get all those fillings out. Go, go spend $10,000, $15,000 and, and get rid of all those old amalgam fillings. Well, my opinion, that was rather, uh, uh, uh, over the top, because you could do the same thing if you boost your glutathione levels. Glutathione is the, uh, uh, uh, substance we talked about last week that, uh, gets rid of, uh, toxicity and, and, uh, uh, detoxifies you at your, on a cellular level.

[29:06] Speaker 2: Uh, and so you don't need to pull all your fillings, because as your fillings release the, uh, the mercury, well, if you are taking the, uh, the, uh, Garcinia, uh, I'm talking, uh, the, uh, glutathione boosters, it's going to be, uh, uh, taken away from your body. So, uh, there, there's different ways of skinning the cat. Okay, now, we t- we talked about many of the general, but, uh, one lady found that she had, uh, let's see if I can pronounce this, uh, mantella prostans. It's a vector-borne human filarial nematode transmitted by tiny blood-sucking flies called midges. Okay. Uh, her doctor was smart enough to test for these things and treated her for it, and her Morgellons went away. Protozoan like babesia that complicates Lyme disease. All right, there's another issue here with Lyme disease. Um, amebas can, uh, complicate things and be life threatener, li- life-threatening.

[30:13] Speaker 2: Bartonella bacteria that live primarily inside the lining of blood vessels, often associated with Lyme disease. So we have Lyme disease and we have its complications also affecting Morgellons. And these things don't necessarily have to be associated with Lyme di-... spirochetosis. We talked about this last week, Rose gardener's disease. And, and y- yes, pigeonholed, there's a group of people who believe that, uh, Morgellons is, uh, spirochetosis. It's, it's treat- ... they treat it with, uh, super sasa- saturated potassium iodide. And yes, if that's the issue, well, that often clears things up for them. Uh, there are complications, uh, dermatitis haemorrhagiformis affects maybe one out of five with celiac disease. So, if you have celiac disease, that could be complicated by, uh, this organism. It's easily mistaken for a skin mite infection. It's treated with dapsone. Uh, rare bacterial infestations of skin causing large en- ...

[31:21] Speaker 2: uh, enlargement of affected areas treated by, um, metridazole gel. Pseudomonas aer- aerugosa, or staphy- staphylococcus aureus, uh, and, uh, sacroba- sacrobacter. They're common forms of bacterial infections, often harmless, but they can get out of hand and become an issue. And if the doctor, uh, identifies them and treats them well, then away goes Morgellons disease. So, these things are not Morgellons disease, but they are the pawns, the rooks, the bishops, the queen that is keeping Morgellons ab- ... uh, alive and, and, uh, in power. Uh, there's a, a cytoma- ... cytoamegalovirus. It affects eyes, lungs, liver, esophagus, stomach, intestines, and brain. Um, schistosomato- ... ma- ... schistosomatisis are, are generally not found in the US. It's caused by parasitic flatworms with the life cycle of certain species of snails. Tapeworms, we didn't even talk about them. They're, they're very prevalent. Uh, cellulitis, swollen painful skin from streptococcus or staphylo- ...

[32:41] Speaker 2: or staphylococcus. Uh, all these are co-factors and can be a part. Now, the ones that, uh, more recently read, uh, uh, they're less, less likely, uh, to be found than say the mites and the columbra and the candida and the other things that, uh, we talked about. So, Morgellons, it is multifaceted. It is none of these things, but all of these things bear to weight. And we didn't even talk about EMF and the influence of EMF on, uh, perhaps preventing someone from, uh, getting well. See, EMF, particularly 5G, has a way of messing up the communication that allows, uh, minerals into our cells and particularly with EMF, as I understand it, that frequency can open up, uh, distribution of too much calcium into the cellular network itself, screwing up the endocrine system. So, if you screw up your endocrine system, uh, you know, (laughs) it gives Morgellons a field day. Definitely, a field day. Then we ...

[34:10] Speaker 2: I did mention the gut biome, and if you take away gut health, and, uh, uh, particularly with long-term antibiotic treatment, people can end up unable to digest food. Bad news. That doesn't ... I mean, that's another field day for Morgellons. Yeah. Anything that really detracts from your vitality and your health is only going to help Mel- ... Morgellons become a bigger issue in your life. And there ain't no one thing, not one little thing that you can take. Like, for instance, I mentioned last week one, uh, YouTube video, the guy said, "Well, I started taking baking soda and I'm cured of Morgellons." Well, will that work for you? It won't cure you of Morgellons, that's for sure, because (laughs) yours may not be anywhere close to what he was dealing with. And all baking soda does is it relieves the stress of a body to main its- ... maintain itself in a neutral pH. So, by taking baking soda, which is part of my protocol, and I highly suggested it.

[35:25] Speaker 2: It's inexpensive, it's cheap, and it helps. Uh, you're at a better pH level. Well, you're not at a better pH level. The p- ... the pH level doesn't change, but there's less stress upon your body to be at the right pH level, which makes you healthier. Well, I ... That's about it, you know. Uh, I had to do it all myself. We still got, uh, uh, a good bit of time. Uh, what do you guys got? Uh, Sharon, do you have anything to add? Uh, any comments, questions?

[35:59] Speaker 3: Oh, Richard, that was, that was great, um, and very informative. Thanks for confirming the, um, the definition of Morgellons. By definition, it is filaments and fibers. Um, and, and I don't understand ... Uh, well, it's no reason for me to just go into the I don't understand why the medical field doesn't get it, but it just seems so straightforward when you give us this information that it should be so easy for everyone else to understand. Are we just the smartest people in the world?

[36:33] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[36:34] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[36:34] Speaker 2: I think, well, I know the diet is the best approach to getting your life back. We've seen hundreds of people over the years, uh, get their lives back, where there's nothing the medical prof- uh, profession has done to support anybody in getting their life back. So, Robin, what do you got to say?

[36:52] Speaker 3: I still have one more thing. The medical field has been ... Th- they've been spreading nothing but butter. You know what that is?

[37:00] Speaker 2: Butter. (laughs)

[37:01] Speaker 3: Nothing but lies. (laughs)

[37:04] Speaker 2: What was that? But, bu-

[37:07] Speaker 3: I said, they've been spreading nothing but, and I, I asked you, do you know what that is? Nothing but? Nothing but lies.

[37:15] Speaker 2: Nothing but ... But lies, yeah.

[37:18] Speaker 3: Nothing but lies.

[37:19] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. You go to the doctor and if you make the mistake of mentioning that you might have Morgellons, you probably will get an automatic, uh, diagnosis of being, uh, delusions of parasitosis. That, that, that's it. Robin?

[37:36] Speaker 1: Yes. Um, I, I liked that you mentioned, um, uh, celiac disease, 'cause I was born with that and, um, I never heard anything about the, what happens with celiac disease and, and Morgellons. That was really good.

[37:56] Speaker 2: Yeah. There are all these complications.

[37:59] Speaker 1: Right.

[38:00] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[38:01] Speaker 3: And I, you know, I was reading that as he was saying it, they actually have a diet. Uh, imagine that. A diet to help cure something. They're so smart, aren't they? But they have, it says they have a gluten-free diet.

[38:16] Speaker 2: Oh, definitely.

[38:17] Speaker 1: Oh, I know. I'm on it.

[38:18] Speaker 3: But I mean, I don't- Okay. Yeah. So it's like, wow

[38:22] Speaker 1: But that's not, you know, all the gluten-free foods you see in a store have other things I can't eat in them. I mean, I have to make my own stuff.

[38:31] Speaker 3: Because you have to combine both the king diet and the gluten-free, right?

[38:36] Speaker 1: Right, exactly.

[38:36] Speaker 2: Right, yes. A- and actually our diet is not 100% gluten-free because spelt is, uh, a wheat product and, uh, does have some gluten in it. But generally, it just happens to be that, uh, the diet is most gluten-free for, uh, for a large part of it.

[38:55] Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.

[38:57] Speaker 1: Yep, that's true. So yeah, it was, that was ... I really enjoyed your talk today, Richard. Thank you.

[39:07] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[39:07] Speaker 2: Thank you. Oh, you're welcome.

[39:09] Speaker 3: You also let everyone know, you answered a very important question, um, when it comes to, well, how long did it take you to get well? Well, my co-factors are probably different than your co-factors. I had Columbola, mite, Morgellons. You may have all those other new names that just blew me away that you were talking about earlier. (laughs)

[39:33] Speaker 2: (laughs) I was lucky I was half- halfway good at pronouncing most of that stuff, but, uh, nevertheless.

[39:40] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[39:40] Speaker 2: Uh, an- and it- it ... I have never ... well, I haven't followed the Facebook post a lot, but I can't remember of any post where anybody has talked about how they disinfect their environment, how they keep from getting re-infected. They say, "Oh, I do this." But did you do anything with your environment? And people say, "Well, I did this." But did you really get better long term, or did you just play a game and, and have to move on to something else? So, and, and that's what I found so discouraging when I first started with my problem back in the, uh, uh, mid '90s, is I would see these posts and you, you'd want to call the guy up and say, "Well, give me some more details. There's nothing here. Y- y- you know, you just said you did this, but how did you do it? How much did you do it? How often did you do it?" All that kind of information is missing. But if you read this book, it's not missing. It's in here.

[40:50] Speaker 2: Chapter three, about 55 pages, how to get your life back from chronic Lyme, Morgellons, and other skin parasites. 50 some pages on how to disinfect your bathroom, your kitchen, your, uh, automobile, your bedroom, how to do your laundry, but you never see that on Facebook. And you know if they're not doing it, they're not getting anywhere.

[41:18] Speaker 3: Yeah. They don't talk about building health and immune, and that's so important, you know? That's just not mentioned.

[41:26] Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, last week we did talk about that one substance. What was it called? I forget, uh ...

[41:32] Speaker 3: Quercetin or something.

[41:33] Speaker 2: Quercetin, yes. We talked about quercetin and it, it being, uh, yes, it, it definitely, uh, it's a good thing to do. And I think, Robin, you've been doing it for some time.

[41:45] Speaker 1: Yeah, it helps with, uh, clearing your lungs up also.

[41:49] Speaker 2: Yeah. But it, it is not gonna do it for everybody. If, if, if one person found it and it made a big difference in his life, well, good for him. But, uh, to think that everybody here is going to do it and, and make a difference is, uh, impractical. And, uh, uh, whereas I go, rather than quercetin or SOD, I go with glutathione. Because if you look at, uh, what each of them do, glutathione does what most of SOD does, does what, does most of what quercetin does, and a lot more. So, yeah, if, if it's affordable, do all three if you can find them that are compatible with the diet. But, uh, you know, not everybody has a big piggy bank that they can afford to do everything.

[42:40] Speaker 3: What is the SOD? Someone asked me, that I coach ... Well, actually, I think it was Diane asked, uh, yesterday-

[42:47] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[42:47] Speaker 3: ... about that and I said, I, I heard it, but only SOD I know is the one that's grass.

[42:51] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[42:51] Speaker 3: So, what is ******* supplement? (laughs)

[42:55] Speaker 2: Uh, I'm trying to remember how to pronounce it. Uh, dysmutase. SOD, SOD dysmutase. It, uh, it, it has some, a tremendous amount of value, but it, it pales in comparison to what glutathione does and-

[43:12] Speaker 3: Okay.

[43:12] Speaker 2: ... in, uh, value, in, in protecting the DNA and everything else that, that glutathione does. And, of course, unless you're taking the right glutathione supplement, it's not gonna matter either, because, uh, the supplements that you purchase in the, uh, health food store have, uh, other ingredients that actually feed the organisms or they're not compatible with the diet. Uh, so, that, that's important. And, the other thing is that the, uh, actual glutathione supplements, they ... The, the glutathione molecule is a large tripeptide, and the stomach enjoys it. It likes to break it up as food, uh, which makes it a, a bigger problem. So, not very much of what you actually consume gets into the bloodstream, uh, where you want it. And that's why we use either the patch, uh, that goes on the skin and, uh, the, uh, uh, glutathione is created right there in, in the bloodstream or the Max1, which is a combination of, uh, D-Ribose and L-Cysteine.

[44:26] Speaker 2: Uh, the L-Cysteine being the protein that gets into the, uh, uh ... No, the ami- uh, it's not a protein, but it gets into the cellular structure and contributes to building, uh, glutathione there.

[44:41] Speaker 3: Okay.

[44:43] Speaker 2: Well, we have about 14 minutes left. We got a lotta time. What, uh-

[44:47] Speaker 3: Awesome. (laughs)

[44:49] Speaker 2: ... do we wanna-

[44:51] Speaker 3: We have a lot of time.

[44:51] Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess, uh, being that Cary's not here today, we could open the, uh, uh, take some questions. Uh, so was there anybody that, uh, we had questions, uh, give y- that gave your last four digits? We can, uh, do some-

[45:07] Speaker 3: Yes, Chris has the numbers. Chris has it.

[45:09] Speaker 2: Okay. Chris, uh, who's the first person?

[45:13] Speaker 3: Our wonderful coach, Adasha, our buddy coach.

[45:18] Speaker 2: Now, uh, again, asking a question, please just answer the question. We don't need to know background or what you've been doing and so forth. We'll just ask the question and get right to it. Uh, that's, that's the meat of what we're about here. Or, if, uh, we enjoy testimonials, if you're doing well and would like to share how the diet's been working for you, uh, wonderful, we'd love to hear that as well. So, uh, who has a question, Chris?

[45:46] Speaker 4: Adasha, your line is open.

[45:50] Speaker 2: Welcome, Richard.

[45:52] Speaker 4: October, October 1st, I told you that I had been diagnosed with speculated nodules in my lungs, and I started taking Phen-Ben out of fear because my PET scan was not until February. I had my PET scan last week. All is clear. No cancer, no anything, nothing.

[46:19] Speaker 2: Well, that's great. (clapping) Woo-hoo!

[46:22] Speaker 4: All the things on my list are also gone.

[46:26] Speaker 1: Congratulations.

[46:29] Speaker 4: I have iron stickers all over me to increase my iron, and I think it's gonna work.

[46:38] Speaker 2: Wonderful. Okay. Thank you. Uh, anyone else? Who's next, Chris?

[46:50] Speaker 3: Alba9881.

[46:54] Speaker 5: Hello?

[46:55] Speaker 2: Alba? Hello?

[46:56] Speaker 5: Yes. Yes. Um, I, I, hmm. Hold on a minute. I'm new to this, so I really don't know much about it. But, you know, um, seems like I do have Morgellons. I really don't know exactly. I have a private doctor that says that she feels I do, and that maybe also, um, that other disease that you mentioned. Um, but I don't know, you know, something got on there on my head, my head-

[47:24] Speaker 2: Well-

[47:25] Speaker 5: ... that feels very sticky.

[47:25] Speaker 2: Alba?

[47:26] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[47:26] Speaker 2: Alba, do, do you have, uh, strange filaments and fibers coming from your skin?

[47:32] Speaker 5: It feels very, it feels like pins and needles going through the skin and from the head. It seems like something got on there from the head, and it's very sticky and it sheds something that is, like, pointy, you know? It goes through the skin, into the mouth and nose. I can't eat anymore. I have a G-tube and my question is, is there anything that I can do? 'Cause I've heard about the diet, but I cannot eat, and I have a G-tube, and that makes it very difficult for me to do any diets, 'cause I cannot eat.

[48:00] Speaker 2: Why can't-

[48:01] Speaker 5: I'm on the same thing.

[48:03] Speaker 2: Why can't you eat? Why can't you eat?

[48:06] Speaker 5: I, I cannot eat. I have a G-tube, so I just put formula in there.

[48:11] Speaker 2: Oh.

[48:13] Speaker 3: In the G-tube?

[48:13] Speaker 2: I see.

[48:13] Speaker 5: That's how I, uh, n- nurture myself. But the problem is that this comes from the head. It's very sticky. It feels like it has layers of sticky stuff, and it sheds stuff, you know, through the skin. It sheds like something that feels like pins and needles. I'm not sure-

[48:30] Speaker 2: Well, if it, if it's a, if it's something coming out of your skin, uh, but you're not seeing any filaments or fibers. Is that correct? You don't find lint-like or cotton-like balls in your bedding and clothing?

[48:45] Speaker 5: I see white, little pieces of what it looks like might be little pieces of paper, you know, but they're pointy.

[48:53] Speaker 2: Huh.

[48:53] Speaker 5: And they're very tiny, and it sheds into the clothes and things like that. It looks white, but then, you know, I don't have ... You know, I might have been, we might have been exposed to, uh, that other thing, you know. Um, I, I forget the name. It, it, it's, um, um, it comes, black stuff comes out of my G tube, you know, like sand.

[49:17] Speaker 2: I don't know. It's hard, it's hard to, uh, to say. Uh-

[49:21] Speaker 3: Are you trying to say mite?

[49:23] Speaker 5: Graphene, you know? Graphene, uh, graphene or something like that, I'm thinking might be. But, I mean, I wanna know if there's anything I can put on my head to, to kinda like clear this, because, you know, I tried all shampoos, anything, it doesn't come off. It's very sticky. It's so sticky, you know? Very-

[49:43] Speaker 2: Well, stick- uh, sticky li- sticky is a biofilm.

[49:48] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[49:48] Speaker 2: Uh, it's, uh, often associated with Morgellons.

[49:52] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[49:52] Speaker 2: But the actual thing that determines Morgellons is the presence of filaments and fibers.

[49:58] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[49:58] Speaker 2: And it can be, uh, cotton-like, uh, lint-like substance, so balls that you find, or the filaments actually coming out of your skin.

[50:08] Speaker 5: They do come out of the skin, yeah. They come out from everywhere, you know. Now, it's the face, the body. And it sheds, you know, and at different times of day, it's worst.

[50:18] Speaker 2: But-

[50:18] Speaker 5: It gets so bad in the morning and evening, you know?

[50:21] Speaker 2: Is ... What's coming out of your skin? Is, is it like a filament? Is it like a strange hair?

[50:28] Speaker 5: It's, it's, it's like little white pieces of paper that are pointy, you know, from the sides. But it's, it's very tiny. And, you know, dermatologists tell me it's, uh, uh, psoriasis and things like that. No, you know, it's not.

[50:42] Speaker 2: I, I don't know. Uh ...

[50:47] Speaker 5: But it's really bad because you know what? It's really like, this film comes down too from the head, like something like, um, a liquid type of thing coming through the nose, and it's so nasty. The taste is so bad, you know. It's like, oh my goodness, it's awful, you know? And it feels very toxic. (coughs) I don't know what to do.

[51:06] Speaker 2: All right. The, the best, the best thing would be to complete my questionnaire. I might be able to, uh, give you a better assessment after I look at the questionnaire.

[51:15] Speaker 5: Okay.

[51:15] Speaker 2: And educate you as to what you're dealing with.

[51:18] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[51:18] Speaker 2: Uh, that's what I would recommend. And then, uh, I would, uh, recommend starting the diet, and, uh ...

[51:27] Speaker 5: But I cannot eat. Richard, I can't eat.

[51:29] Speaker 2: Oh, that's right, you have G2, bye.

[51:31] Speaker 5: I have a G- I have a G2, you know, so there's nothing I can eat.

[51:35] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[51:35] Speaker 5: The only thing I might be able to eat a little bit is like a little bit of egg, but that's it, you know? And I only do once because I gotta take, uh, you know, uh, mm, I've, I, I'm deficient on ch- cholesterol, and it doesn't dilute for my G2, so I gotta try and, you know, swallow it somehow, and I do, but it's so hard.

[51:58] Speaker 2: Right.

[51:58] Speaker 5: So I'm like, I don't ... (sighs) I can't do diets, you know?

[52:02] Speaker 2: Uh, I'm at loss as to what to, uh, suggest if a diet is not possible. Uh, and Sharon, Robin, you have any suggestions? I'm at, I, I'm at loss.

[52:17] Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I don't know. Um, well, I, what I would recommend ... Hi, Anelba

[52:21] Speaker 5: Hi.

[52:22] Speaker 3: Uh, my heart goes out to you. Um-

[52:24] Speaker 5: Thank you.

[52:24] Speaker 3: ... for the things that you're experiencing, but many of us have had those same, um, experiences. I know what you're speaking of when you say the, the cotton-like fibers are coming out, because I experienced that myself.

[52:37] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

[52:37] Speaker 3: Also-

[52:37] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[52:37] Speaker 3: ... the biofilm, um, what I would recommend that you do... First, let me make sure you know that I'm not a doctor. I can't, uh-

[52:44] Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.

[52:45] Speaker 3: ... diagnose, treat, cure, or mitigate any diseases. However, I would recommend that you go to our store. You start trying to take the Stop Parasite formula, along with the, um, the detox package from, um, Nancy. Um, at the end of the call, we'll give out the numbers of coaches. I'd recommend that you get a coach. And as Richard said, to complete the form, fill it out, and then he'll give you further information. By listening also to what you said, it sounds like you, it's indicative that you have some type of mite in your scalp as well.

[53:17] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm. Yes.

[53:18] Speaker 3: So, um, you would wanna start getting the debriding soap, the 100%, and use that from head to toe. Um, and you know-

[53:26] Speaker 5: Okay.

[53:26] Speaker 3: ... just with all the other things, boost your healthy immune, start making sure your environment is clean, start doing your laundry with the ammonia, um, and, and, and get a coach so that we can, um, help you, help you get your life back.

[53:40] Speaker 5: So what was the first thing-

[53:42] Speaker 3: So those are the three things that I would recommend.

[53:43] Speaker 5: ... you said? You, you said-

[53:44] Speaker 2: Pardon me?

[53:44] Speaker 5: ... something at the beginning to, um, start taking, and I didn't write it down. What was the name?

[53:48] Speaker 2: The, uh, the Herbal Stop Parasite, your formula.

[53:54] Speaker 5: Uh, can, uh, can you spell that for me, please?

[53:57] Speaker 2: It's called Herbal H-E- H-E-R-B-A-L Stop, S-T-O-P, Parasite Formula.

[54:08] Speaker 5: Formula. Do you know that you're, you're, uh, you're breaking down, Richard. You know, uh, the, the connection sounds very broken when you speak for some reason.

[54:19] Speaker 2: You, you wanna go ahead and repeat that for her, Sharon?

[54:23] Speaker 3: Um, the Parasite Stop formula, the Herbal Parasite Stop formula, it's in, uh-

[54:29] Speaker 5: Right.

[54:29] Speaker 3: ... Richard's store. It's in our store.

[54:32] Speaker 5: Okay. Can you spell it 'cause I couldn't hear Richard.

[54:35] Speaker 3: H as in hotel.

[54:37] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

[54:38] Speaker 3: E, E as in echo.

[54:40] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

[54:40] Speaker 3: R as in Romeo, B as in Bravo.

[54:44] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

[54:44] Speaker 3: A as in Alpha, L as in Lima.

[54:47] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

[54:47] Speaker 3: Herbal Stop.

[54:49] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

[54:49] Speaker 3: Stop, go, breathe, stop. (laughs)

[54:53] Speaker 2: Okay.

[54:53] Speaker 6: Don't be scared, don't be scared.

[54:55] Speaker 2: Yes. Uh, yeah, definitely, I've gotta read the coaches' names later and, and, and get a coach and fill out the questionnaire and we'll go from there. It'd be the best thing. All right.

[55:06] Speaker 6: Okay.

[55:06] Speaker 2: Uh, anyone else have a question? We're down to four minutes.

[55:10] Speaker 4: 9983, Sub.

[55:13] Speaker 7: It's 9993 and it's Shug, but thank you so much. I wanted to say, first of all, um, I was like in tears of happiness when I found, uh, Richard's TikTok page, because I have known of Morgellons for a long time. But as you mentioned there, uh, you know, you go, you try to look that up and you get to a dead end. Um, and I was, this call was, I was, I've been, I couldn't wait for. Um, I just, uh, wanted to- to say I have it in my scalp worse than anywhere. It started in my face. I think I've been exposed to all, ev- everything in the book, I've been exposed to. I walked barefoot uh, all up north where there's tons of fungus in the, in the redwoods. I was subjected to mercury poisoning when I, me and my dog went into the Suco River, uh, that's on a nuclear power plant in Vene- Venezuela, or Pennsylvania, and, uh, Pennsylvania. And, um, I just, um, I- I've gotten so much worse over the past like year or so, right, and, um, I, I, it's the, it's in my scalp.

[56:16] Speaker 7: I don't want to shave my head, but I've lost almost all my hair anyway, right? And even though, but even where it's like on my scalp where, where it's the worst, right, I- I can't, I, even as I'm afraid if I, what if I shave my head, right, I feel, I can feel them underneath my skin. I can feel the line, like, and I, you know, and- and I just want to know, like, you know, and I know I read the chapter about like, you know, cleaning the skin, and I guess I'm just, it's really overwhelming, right? And I know that there's, that there's a lot I need to do, and I have, I have everything, uh, uh, the boron, I have the, I have the ammonia, I have the- the, uh, dye treatment first. The next thing I know I need to get is the debritting soap. I have castor oil. Um, I, um, and, and whatnot.

[56:57] Speaker 7: I just, I just want to, if you could break, I- I don't want to shave my head, you know, um, I really don't, but my skin is so, like, it feels like all my bones and-

[57:06] Speaker 2: Well, okay, uh, have- have you read the book? And- and have you joined the- the-

[57:12] Speaker 7: I- I'm- I'm, I am, I'm reading the book. I'm- I'm like about halfway done. And I also wanted to-

[57:14] Speaker 2: Okay.

[57:15] Speaker 7: ... say thank you so much for, uh-

[57:16] Speaker 2: So-

[57:16] Speaker 7: ... for personalizing it. Thank you. That was really nice of you.

[57:19] Speaker 2: The first- the first thing we want you to do is you start the diet. That's paramount. Uh, as far as your head goes, the shorter your hair, the better. Mainly because the hair is dead. It's a- it's a waste, it's a- it's a wasteland. And- and any products you're using are just being used up, uh, in- in dead hair and getting it nowhere. We want to get down to the scalp. There is a protocol in the book about the scalp. And, uh, if we had time, we'd do it, but we're down to a minute right now. So, A, make the diet work, and then read the book, the section about the, uh, scalp. Uh, all you have to do is go to the table of contents in the front, and you can find scalp, and you'll find it in the book. And, uh, uh, go to work. That's it. It is overwhelming. There's a lot of information. I know the, uh, information I- I gave earlier is overwhelming, because there's so many, uh, co-factors, so many things going on.

[58:15] Speaker 2: And as you acknowledged, you've had a lot of it on the mercury poisoning and the walking in the- in- in the worms and everything else. Uh, so this all makes a lot of sense, and you've come to the right place, because, uh, here you're gonna get it spoon-fed and you're gonna be seeing what to do to get your life back. And within six months, you'll become one of our coaches.

[58:38] Speaker 7: I mean, I have one- one more, one more question. Do you know, do- do I have to be on, do you think I'd have to be on the diet my whole life?

[58:45] Speaker 2: No. Three stages. It's down to 13 st- the first stage is the most difficult. Uh, if you do it right, you can get through stage one in about a week. If you, uh, mess up, it'll take you, uh, maybe six months as it did, uh, uh, Rob and in nine months as it did Sharon. Okay. That's the end of the program for the day. Thank you very much. This concludes sec- uh, segment number one.

[59:09] Speaker 6: Love ya.

[59:09] Speaker 7: Yeah.