[00:00] Speaker 1: (music plays) Welcome to Signs of Life: Exploring Survival of Consciousness, brought to you by Forever Family Foundation, on the web at foreverfamilyfoundation.org.

[00:15] Speaker 2: I call your name. The echo is haunting. The echo is always the same. I call your name. The echo is haunting. An echo can never be changed. So I call your name. Your name.

[00:48] Speaker 3: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Medium Insights Hour, brought to you by Triple F, that's of course the Forever Family Foundation, and Signs of Life Radio. We gather here every month to explore the mindsets of many accomplished mediums, and tonight is no exception. We are welcoming back Angelina Diana. She's been here, uh, I think more than any other guest, and we really appreciate her insight and, and her being here. Um, she has always been motivated to work towards the greater good of the world. She's, uh, you know, and she's, uh, dedicated, uh, to the work of healing through her mediumship. Her grandmother, who was not secretib- secretive ab- about her intuitiveness, regularly en- engaged the open use of tarot cards, but Angelina didn't pay much attention to those practices. So, uh, working as a radio newscaster and exploring the legitimacy of psychic mediums, Angelina discovered her own heritage.

[01:45] Speaker 3: So, since then, she's enjoyed a successful career in mediumship work, and she was one of the original mediums certified by the Forever Family Foundation, sits on its advisory board, and is in- very instrumental in helping create this particular show. She's participated in scientific research, and she also does a lot of volunteer work for the Triple F. And, um, she's based in Connecticut and does private and group readings, and she can be heard on Connecticut's KISS 95.7 and Courtney and Kiss in the Morning. Uh, her website is www.angelinadiana.com, one word, .com. And tonight's show, as always, commercial free, no interruptions. Sit back, pull up your feet, cuddle up in a blanket or a loved one or a pet, and have a nice drink with us.

[02:35] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[02:36] Speaker 3: I got mine, I got my tea, and with all that said, uh, by the way, ladies and gentlemen, tonight's show, always with me, there's, there's no readings. It's just, you know, informational, just so that you can, you know, explore the mindset. So your questions are very, very welcome, and if you do have any questions for our esteemed guest, please call 1-888-627-6008. With all that said, Angelina, welcome back to the show.

[03:04] Speaker 2: Well, thank you for having me. I really enjoy being here. (laughs)

[03:07] Speaker 3: You know, the next time that this show is gonna run, I'm, I'm gonna strap on a guitar, and I'm gonna do some wailing leads over that-

[03:13] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[03:13] Speaker 3: ... over that, uh-

[03:15] Speaker 2: I see all those comments-

[03:16] Speaker 3: I'm not, I'm not that, I'm not a big fan of that intro. (laughs)

[03:18] Speaker 2: Well, well, I think it's beautiful, but there's, I see all your guitars there in the background. That's really cool.

[03:24] Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm, uh, the world's most okayest guitarist.

[03:28] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[03:29] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[03:29] Speaker 2: My husband plays guitar as well, too. He's very-

[03:32] Speaker 3: Who? Who? Your husband?

[03:33] Speaker 2: That's my husband. Yes, he does.

[03:34] Speaker 3: Oh, cool.

[03:34] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[03:34] Speaker 3: Cool.

[03:34] Speaker 2: He's very talented. Yeah.

[03:36] Speaker 3: Well, ne- next time you bring him on, we'll have a little jam session.

[03:39] Speaker 2: (laughs) There you go.

[03:41] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[03:41] Speaker 2: Why not? (laughs)

[03:42] Speaker 3: Yeah, so the last time you were here was, uh, a year ago, like a little over a year ago, back in March.

[03:48] Speaker 2: Wow.

[03:49] Speaker 3: March 13th, yeah.

[03:50] Speaker 2: Wow.

[03:50] Speaker 3: So a lot has happened since then, huh?

[03:53] Speaker 2: Well, I think so. You know, um, I know the foundation is growing in leaps and bounds, as it always did. We've, we've welcomed, I think, uh, maybe f- half a dozen new mediums to the certification program since last year-

[04:06] Speaker 3: In the last year?

[04:06] Speaker 2: ... I believe. Uh, quite a few. Quite, quite a few new ones. Um-

[04:10] Speaker 3: Wow, that's great.

[04:10] Speaker 2: ... it's fabulous. It's wonderful. I mean, I know there are many, many, men... I can't speak for the certification program, but I do know-

[04:19] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[04:19] Speaker 2: ... that, um, many people do apply for it, but very few get through. And-

[04:24] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[04:24] Speaker 2: ... it's really lovely people-

[04:25] Speaker 3: It, it's like one in, it's like one in 50 or something.

[04:28] Speaker 2: Yeah. It's really something.

[04:29] Speaker 3: Ridiculous odds.

[04:30] Speaker 2: But it's really nice to welcome the new mediums. It's really nice to see that young blood. (laughs) I've been doing-

[04:35] Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely.

[04:36] Speaker 2: ... I'm long in the tooth with this work. I've been doing it for a long time, so it's really nice.

[04:39] Speaker 3: How long have you been doing it now? How many years is it?

[04:42] Speaker 2: Um, this year, I'll be celebrating my... I'm entering my 25th year.

[04:49] Speaker 3: 25th year? Wow.

[04:51] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, 25 years. I can't believe it.

[04:53] Speaker 3: Wow. Well, you, you'll-

[04:55] Speaker 2: And-

[04:55] Speaker 3: You must have started when you were zero, then, 'cause you look-

[04:58] Speaker 2: Aw.

[04:58] Speaker 3: You look like you're 25.

[04:59] Speaker 2: You're so nice, (laughs) you're so nice. Well, I know I was, um, the first certified medium with the foundation in 2005.

[05:08] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[05:08] Speaker 2: So-

[05:08] Speaker 3: Wow. That's a lot ago.

[05:09] Speaker 2: ... it, it means that the foundation is celebrating 20 years of the certification program. Or 20-

[05:15] Speaker 3: Whoa.

[05:15] Speaker 2: Yeah, 21 years, really.

[05:17] Speaker 3: Wow. That's-

[05:18] Speaker 2: So, yeah. That's pretty cool.

[05:19] Speaker 3: That's great. It's, uh, it's wonderful. And, uh, I'm wondering, like, what the, um, the listenership is, like, the, the demographics or the, the numbers or whatever. Maybe, uh, next time I talk to the producers, I'll, I'll, I'll ask, but I, I think there's quite a bit of listeners. And-

[05:35] Speaker 2: That'd be really nice. I hope-

[05:37] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[05:37] Speaker 2: I hope it's helped. I mean, I remember-

[05:39] Speaker 3: Hmm.

[05:39] Speaker 2: ... when Fran and Bob and myself did the first-

[05:42] Speaker 3: Huh.

[05:42] Speaker 2: ... radio show, I think it was in 2006 or '7, and we were operating out of a Long Island radio station. And they were, um, allowing folks to, um, do their thang. And our first guest-

[06:01] Speaker 3: Yep.

[06:01] Speaker 2: ... was Dr. Gary Schwartz.... back in 2005, uh, 2005.

[06:05] Speaker 3: Oh, Gary Schwartz, the, the, the soul phone man.

[06:08] Speaker 2: (laughs) Yes. He-

[06:11] Speaker 3: How's he doing with that, by the way? Has he made any progress?

[06:14] Speaker 2: I wish, I wish ... I, I wish I knew. Well, I know, um, I can only speak from personal experience.

[06:20] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[06:20] Speaker 2: 'Cause I, you know, I'm usually the subject of experiments, not the scientists.

[06:26] Speaker 3: (laughs) Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[06:28] Speaker 2: And so I don't like to speak for the scientists-

[06:30] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[06:30] Speaker 2: ... because they, they really know their stuff.

[06:34] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[06:35] Speaker 2: But I always enjoyed speaking to Gary because-

[06:38] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[06:39] Speaker 2: ... he still has, well, last time I saw him, still has that scientific mind, but always the good questions, you know, and always seeking, and always-

[06:49] Speaker 3: Yeah. He's very scientific.

[06:51] Speaker 2: ... really looking for it. Yeah. He's a very talented man.

[06:53] Speaker 3: And I, I've read, I, I read his book, the, the one, his first book, the one where he interviewed, uh, did all the triple-blind experiments, uh, with, I think-

[07:03] Speaker 2: After, like-

[07:03] Speaker 3: ... Edwards was there and all of that, and Campbell, and-

[07:06] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[07:06] Speaker 3: ... anyways, uh-

[07:07] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[07:07] Speaker 3: Yeah. It was fascinating. Great. It was a great read. Great read.

[07:10] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[07:10] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[07:10] Speaker 2: Very talented scientist, for sure.

[07:13] Speaker 3: So, let me ask you, like, I mean, I know you are, you still are very close with, with, with Bob, and, and Fran. Um, does, do you ever get, does she ever come to you in, in, you know, the, uh, the, uh, uh, as a medium, do you ever receive any kinda intuition-

[07:29] Speaker 2: Um, I, I-

[07:29] Speaker 3: ... messages from her?

[07:30] Speaker 2: ... I, I get little whispers and-

[07:33] Speaker 3: Little whispers here and there?

[07:34] Speaker 2: ... little remembrances and guidance, personal things, yeah, you know, I-

[07:39] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[07:39] Speaker 2: Fran, in the physical world, was a force. And she-

[07:43] Speaker 3: My God, was she ever.

[07:45] Speaker 2: She was a force.

[07:46] Speaker 3: Yep.

[07:46] Speaker 2: And still is.

[07:47] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[07:48] Speaker 2: And I feel like, you know, I, I learned a lot from Fran, and I learned how to be stronger in my voice.

[08:00] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[08:00] Speaker 2: And how to speak up for myself (laughs) . You know, these are personal things.

[08:03] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[08:04] Speaker 2: But it also helped me stretch my abilities in mediumship because of the scientific edge, you know?

[08:13] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[08:14] Speaker 2: Fran was and is, but was physically, uh, very intuitive. But very brilliant, too. Her mind was brilliant. But Bob was, uh, Bob is, still, but I think he's opened up a lot, was, back then, was the skeptic.

[08:29] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[08:29] Speaker 2: So they balanced each ou- other out beautifully, uh, when it came to this work. So I learned-

[08:34] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[08:35] Speaker 2: ... a lot listening-

[08:36] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[08:36] Speaker 2: ... to both of them when they would talk about (laughs) , you know, the skeptic side or the intuitive side. So yeah, you know, Fran, uh, was a good teacher for me in the physical.

[08:48] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[08:48] Speaker 2: And I, I hear her every now and then pushing me along with something.

[08:52] Speaker 3: She, she was one of the best storytellers. Like, when she told the story-

[08:57] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[08:57] Speaker 3: ... she put everything into it, just-

[08:59] Speaker 2: She was so good.

[09:00] Speaker 3: ... her whole existence-

[09:02] Speaker 2: I remember that. Oh, yeah.

[09:02] Speaker 3: ... to get a point across. She was-

[09:04] Speaker 2: She sure was.

[09:04] Speaker 3: ... larger than life. I, I miss her. Very passionate.

[09:06] Speaker 2: Yeah, and she even put all of that energy into this foundation, too.

[09:09] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[09:10] Speaker 2: She was very passionate about it. And, um-

[09:13] Speaker 3: Yeah, you can tell.

[09:13] Speaker 2: ... I think Bob, Bob and, and everyone, and just doing a great job, just keeping it going.

[09:18] Speaker 3: Yeah, keeping it going.

[09:19] Speaker 2: Helping people, and, and I'm sure everyone, including Fran, um, but all those souls that are on the auxiliary board, you know, the ones that, uh, are in, in, in heaven, or the other side, or paradisio, that we have o- on, uh, a spiritual board, are doing their, their thing behind the scenes. You know, the little whispers, the little pushes, the little, uh, whims that our loved ones can give to us on the other side.

[09:48] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[09:48] Speaker 2: I, I think it's always a very guiding and beautiful thing. We're not always aware of it, um, but they're, they're there, and they're, and they're helping us, including Fran, so that's for sure.

[09:59] Speaker 3: There's, there's something in, uh, like, that you guys can tap into that us, m- m- m- you know, the 99% of the population that can't, there is something there. There's, there's something there. Uh, I, I'm convinced that the other day, I was watching the Canadians playing hockey.

[10:15] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[10:16] Speaker 3: And they were in a overtime shootout with, uh, uh, against, uh, Florida Panthers.

[10:22] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[10:22] Speaker 3: They're playing Tampa Bay tonight. Anyways, uh, I just knew that they were gonna win. I just-

[10:29] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[10:29] Speaker 3: ... uh, you know, you just know. And, and in overtime, they went like they, it was a shootout. They had to go with a shootout, but I knew, like, they're gonna win.

[10:35] Speaker 2: That's good.

[10:36] Speaker 3: I, I, I was never more positive of something in my life. And of course, it wa- it just happened, just like that, you know?

[10:41] Speaker 2: That's wonderful. And when it comes to sports, for myself, I'm really not that good at predicting. Um, I had the honor of being on local television this past Monday, and there was a doctor who was a guest on before my segment.

[11:01] Speaker 3: Uh-huh.

[11:02] Speaker 2: And when he found out that there was a psychic, uh, I don't think he knew the difference, God bless him, between a psychic and a medium, but, um, UConn was playing that night for the championship. And of course, as we all know now, they lost the ma- (laughs)

[11:18] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[11:18] Speaker 2: But the gentleman came up to me, and he's like, "So tell me, so tell me-"

[11:22] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[11:23] Speaker 2: "... is UConn gonna win?"

[11:24] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[11:24] Speaker 2: And I, and I'm like, "I don't know." He goes, "You don't know?" I go, "No. Um, it's not my thing." Um, and he, and he said-

[11:32] Speaker 3: Right. There's a, it's a big difference between, uh, a psychic-

[11:35] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[11:35] Speaker 3: ... and medium.

[11:35] Speaker 2: You know, and e- even though-

[11:37] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[11:37] Speaker 2: ... I work with people psychically, it's not in the form of prediction, uh, because-

[11:41] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[11:41] Speaker 2: ... we all have free will, you know? So, and I, and you know, I'm just like, "No."

[11:45] Speaker 3: Right.

[11:45] Speaker 2: "I have no clue." Uh (laughs) and I walked out of there, "I'm sorry."

[11:49] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[11:49] Speaker 2: Uh, you know, so it's interesting how people will assume and think every psychic is the same, every medium is the same, um, things like that.

[11:58] Speaker 3: How does it go? Every, every, uh, medium is a psychic, but not every psychic is a medium-

[12:03] Speaker 2: Correct.

[12:03] Speaker 3: ... kind of thing, or something like that?

[12:05] Speaker 2: Cor- cor- yes, 'cause it's h- it's how we come to the work. Um, it, it just happens that way. I think even when I speak to-Folks that want to develop or those that are grieving that want to get more than just penny, penny, penny song on the radio, feather, feather, feather. They want a deeper conversation.

[12:25] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, of course.

[12:27] Speaker 2: I always recommend to start psychically, because when you work psychically, you get immediate physical feedback as to whether what you're sensing, like, the brain always wants to know-

[12:39] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[12:39] Speaker 2: ... is that right?

[12:40] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[12:40] Speaker 2: Am I correct? So when you work psychically, let's say if you're working, um, reading a client, or you're even, you can play psychic games with yourself, you get the immediate feedback. "I sense this," and, "Is that true?" And a person would go, "Yes, it is." So then you get a sense of, "Well, that's how my instrument works," or, "That's how I channel." Versus when you, you're drawn to mediumship, which people can be drawn to mediumship-

[13:09] Speaker 3: Right.

[13:09] Speaker 2: ... at first. Um, I'm just speaking of my experience. Um, (smacks lips) you know, it's-

[13:16] Speaker 3: Is there a type-

[13:16] Speaker 2: T- t- yeah.

[13:16] Speaker 3: ... of mediumship that is, uh, easier than, like, you know, like, p- psychometry, for example, I would think is maybe a little easier than, you know, m- material, mm-mm, you know, ectoplasmic materialization?

[13:32] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[13:32] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[13:32] Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if, if the word is easier. It's just a different technique.

[13:35] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[13:36] Speaker 2: To me, psychometry has absolutely nothing to do with mediumship in my experience.

[13:41] Speaker 3: Psychometry, really? Okay.

[13:43] Speaker 2: I bel- I believe it's you leave the energy of the person behind. Like, uh, I'll never forget one of the first FFF or triple F, as you say, meetings-

[13:54] Speaker 3: Triple F.

[13:55] Speaker 2: ... I went to with Fran, and it was a bunch of, uh, beautiful people, maybe half dozen people at Vicky Marx's place. She was an early volunteer. And, um, so I get introduced to her, and then Fran says, "Angelina's a medium." And she goes, (gasps) "Oh my God!"

[14:16] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[14:16] Speaker 2: And she runs, she runs-

[14:18] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[14:18] Speaker 2: ... she runs to her china closet and she brings me a beautiful glass creamer. And she puts it in my hand and she says, "Getting anything?" And I said, "It holds milk. Um..."

[14:34] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[14:34] Speaker 2: "... uh, you know, ah, n- and she, it's just like-"

[14:37] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[14:37] Speaker 2: "... it's my mom's. You can't conte- you can't connect to my mom?" And I go, "No, not... I could probably pick up on maybe the last time she used it or, uh, where she kept it in her house, uh, things like that. But I can't necessarily connect to spirit that way." That's at least how I work, because physical things are physical versus the nonphysical. There, there was a wonderful English medium named Dolores Stokes, and she had this incredible talent on television where they, they would bring rocks in, rocks from all over the count- all over the world, and they would say, "Here, Dolores. Here is a rock. Can you please tell us the history of the rock?" She goes, "Yes, this rock is from Australia, and it was on the east side..." No, like, she could pick up on the energy of where this rock lived, (laughs) you know? So that's, to me, psychic, you know? 'Cause you're, uh, uh, it's a physicality to it. So I personally just...

[15:45] Speaker 2: And again, I only speak for myself as a practitioner, 'cause-

[15:48] Speaker 3: Right, right.

[15:48] Speaker 2: ... I always say that I'm a, I'm a little dot on the mosaic of mediumship, you know? (laughs) There's so many beautiful mediums out there, and they have their own ability-

[15:56] Speaker 3: And you all have your own ways of doing stuff.

[15:58] Speaker 2: Y- yes, it's incredible, bec- and I think that's all, because we're all-

[16:03] Speaker 3: The personality comes into it.

[16:04] Speaker 2: You and I, well, we're all unique. There's no-

[16:06] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[16:06] Speaker 2: ... two people on the planet that are the same.

[16:08] Speaker 3: Exactly.

[16:08] Speaker 2: And I also feel that spirit, um, brings us to a certain purpose, a spiritual purpose for doing the work, again, just speaking for myself. Um, so I personally feel that if I was doing a psychic reading on someone, and this is how I used to train myself in the beginning, 'cause I first started as a psychic. I wasn't doing mediumship.

[16:31] Speaker 3: Okay.

[16:31] Speaker 2: For like the first three months, I was driving, I was doing newscasts in the morning, (laughs) and then driving out to Long Island twice a week to do psychic fairs, 'cause I wanted to understand, like, why is it that I can get stuff for myself. I tried reading a few people 'cause they asked, and they kept on asking for readings, and I'm like, "Well, let me see what this is. I'm drawn to it."

[16:53] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[16:53] Speaker 2: So, so I would take someone's watch or their ring and I would hold it in my hand, and it helped me. And I think it was, um, it was a bit of a crutch because I was new at it-

[17:06] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[17:07] Speaker 2: ... and I wanted, I, I wanted to help. I had the desire to help.

[17:12] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[17:12] Speaker 2: But I, I was nervous, 'cause I'm thinking-

[17:14] Speaker 3: So you needed some, yeah.

[17:15] Speaker 2: ... "Oh my goodness, you know, I need to somehow connect." I don't do that anymore. I don't work with psychometry anymore.

[17:22] Speaker 3: Okay.

[17:22] Speaker 2: Um, but it helped me tune into the f- and I'd always say, "This is yours, correct?" "Yes." "Oh, okay." You know? And it would help me start the connection. Or I would start with numerology to do a psychic reading, and then I could start channeling their essence and m-

[17:40] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[17:41] Speaker 2: ... little things that would come. And there were... and then one day, 'cause when you do psychic fairs, it's not like an hour. It's like you haven't... I was so surprised. The other Long Island mediums would have timers, and you'd hear this, "Bup!" Well, the reading was around... (laughs) just was so intrusive, you know.

[17:57] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[17:57] Speaker 2: But we would do the readings for like 10 to 15 minutes, and then I remember this one time, this woman sat down, and I thought two people sat down. And I was ready to say to her, "I'm sorry, this is only for one person." And then she goes, "I'm only, the only person here." And I went, (gasps) .... I feel a woman with you. And then, all of a sudden, I started doing mediumship.

[18:19] Speaker 3: Wow. So, so you saw-

[18:21] Speaker 2: So, I felt it was people-

[18:21] Speaker 3: ... clair- clairvoyance.

[18:23] Speaker 2: Yeah. It, well-

[18:24] Speaker 3: Wow.

[18:24] Speaker 2: ... first it was a presence, like, I felt two people. I thought two people sat down in front of me. And then I, I heard and, and started seeing. And to me, I feel it wasn't like I said, "I'm going to do a mediumship reading." I feel spirit said, "It's time. It's time. Let's go." They're the best teachers in the world, and I do feel that's what happened.

[18:49] Speaker 3: Now, do you think that-

[18:50] Speaker 2: What happened.

[18:50] Speaker 3: ... some people, like may- maybe... Is there a quick and easy test that we can share with the audience to see, like, because maybe there's people out there that are really, you know, good at this and they don't know it yet, because, is there a simple test that somebody can do to see, "Hey, maybe I got something here," you know?

[19:09] Speaker 2: Well, I personally feel we all have an ability.

[19:13] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[19:14] Speaker 2: I think what goes along with it, like, when somebody-

[19:19] Speaker 3: It's an inclination. Like, I'm, I'm musically-

[19:22] Speaker 2: It is.

[19:22] Speaker 3: ... inclined.

[19:22] Speaker 2: It is.

[19:22] Speaker 3: You know? I'm, I'm not much of a sports guy, but I'm, I'm more of a music guy, you know?

[19:27] Speaker 2: But I, I notice, like, when people, like, call me or they text me and they say, (clears throat) "Angelina, I believe I'm a psychic medium, and I believe that I wanna do this work for a living." And I'm hopeful that that's what they do 'cause we need people to do this work. (laughs) Um, and I, the first thing I'll say is, "But why do you wanna do it? Why?" And the ones that say, "I really wanna help people," those are the ones that I enjoy working with, because-

[20:02] Speaker 3: Right.

[20:03] Speaker 2: ... to me, so that, since we all have the ability, it, it's important, I think, to have the right intention, 'cause spirit... I once had an English medium say to me in a room full of probably 75 people, she pointed me out and she went, "Angelina?" Her name was Anne Burbridge. "Angelina, spirit knows the truth." And I'm like, "Okay." (laughs)

[20:33] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[20:33] Speaker 2: Like, "All right." Like, and I'm looking around like, "Why are you telling me this?" But it has stuck with me because it's so true. So, I believe the test isn't, the test isn't physical. The test is with spirit.

[20:46] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[20:46] Speaker 2: They are going to go, "Hmm, so you're interested in working with us, huh?" And whether it be spirit guides or whatever your belief system is, um, say, "Okay, you're opening yourself up to this. Let's see if they're, they're gonna be helpful. Let's see if they really are dedicated to it." Because people, I think people sometimes, like when I meet people in, in the public and the conversation comes up, "So what do you do?" And I tell them, they're like, "Oh, that's so cool!" And I'm like, "Not really. It's, it's hard work." It's, you're working with people whose hearts are torn out.

[21:25] Speaker 2: And i- there's a, there's a, an amount of, you have to be ethical and be driven-

[21:32] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[21:32] Speaker 2: ... to honor and represent that person that's coming through in a way that is truthful to their, to, to spirit's intention, even though that person might be wanting, wanting to hear from their mom. Their grandmother might come through first, or their dog might come through first. You have to follow... Spirit knows the truth. So you follow that. So I think the true test, in all honesty, Roman, is, I know everyone wants to know, do I have this ability?

[22:01] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[22:02] Speaker 2: Can I do it for a living? I would recommend that you talk to spirit about it and say, "I have a desire. I wanna help people. I believe I might have a talent to do this. Can you help me, spirit? Draw me to situations or things where, in my own life, maybe I'm missing someone." And then it becomes clearer how their pattern of energy speaks to me and how I can receive it and give it in an ethical way that will help. But I believe part of the backbone of my practice is encouraging the grieving, those that are in grief, to try to speak to them deeper than just penny, penny, penny, song on the radio, feather, feather, feather. Those are great things, and when you get them, if they help you, great. But I believe everyone can be a personal medium if... And I, when I say personal medium, I don't mean professional medium.

[22:59] Speaker 2: I mean with your loved ones-

[23:00] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[23:01] Speaker 2: ... you can go on a journey, meditation, prayer, or daydreaming, and spend some time with them first. And work with the sensations of, "You're making me feel this, you're making me hear that." Your brain's gonna go, "You're just making it up." 'Cause the brain's-

[23:18] Speaker 3: Yep, that's the ego.

[23:18] Speaker 2: ... always gonna... That's... You get a penny, you always say, "Is that really you?" That's the function of still being physical. And your brain is always gonna question, and that's okay. But building a spiritual muscle means you're building the invisible, unseen world to speak a little louder and higher within your being than, "Was that really you or did I make that up?" So, my, the backbone-

[23:44] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[23:44] Speaker 2: ... of my practice is to encourage people to look for the physical signs, but also be encouraged to be a personal medium and try to connect on your own. 'Cause I, I believe you can go deeper. So you go through a meditation, you picture that person maybe in a favorite place you used to spend with them.

[24:02] Speaker 3: (sighs)

[24:02] Speaker 2: You ask them a question, and you sit quietly like a medium does. What did you hear, feel, see, even taste or smell? Bring all of that information with you in the physical world so that when you pick up that penny, there might be more around it 'cause you have more information in your being to look for.... and when you get it, you don't question it 'cause you got it personally from your loved one first.

[24:25] Speaker 3: Right, right.

[24:25] Speaker 2: So, that's what I believe.

[24:27] Speaker 3: Uh, uh, yeah. That you, you... There's a lot to unfold there. (laughs) A lot to unpack.

[24:33] Speaker 2: Oh, really?

[24:34] Speaker 3: Yeah. (laughs)

[24:34] Speaker 2: Really? Oh, I'm-

[24:35] Speaker 3: Um-

[24:36] Speaker 2: ... I hope I made it clear-

[24:37] Speaker 3: No, you did.

[24:37] Speaker 2: ... because I-

[24:37] Speaker 3: You did.

[24:38] Speaker 2: Okay.

[24:38] Speaker 3: It's, it's, it's very fascinating. Um-

[24:41] Speaker 2: Good.

[24:41] Speaker 3: So, do you believe that, um, y- just communicating, like... Okay, for example, I, I lost my son, okay? And-

[24:51] Speaker 2: So sad.

[24:51] Speaker 3: ... I talk to him all the time.

[24:53] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[24:53] Speaker 3: You know? So, every time I talk to him, is he there hearing it?

[24:58] Speaker 2: Well, hearing it, seeing it, or feeling it. So, you have to remember-

[25:02] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[25:02] Speaker 2: ... that I believe-

[25:04] Speaker 3: Receiving it. Receiving the message.

[25:05] Speaker 2: Receiving it. So-

[25:06] Speaker 3: Is he getting it?

[25:07] Speaker 2: So, yes. But I also believe they stay connected to us through their life review, and they're the best empaths in the world. So, my question to you, Roman, would be, what prompted you, besides missing him, which is n- the grief is-

[25:24] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[25:25] Speaker 2: ... mountainous for a parent-

[25:27] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[25:27] Speaker 2: ... that's lost a child.

[25:28] Speaker 3: Yeah. Sure is.

[25:29] Speaker 2: Um, but secondarily to that, um, the question would be, what prompted you to say, "I wanna talk to you," besides that? Because you might have mediumnistically sensed him. 'Cause we get whims from them. I get calls sometimes, Roman, at 2:00 in the morning, and people are saying, "Oh, my God. I woke up at 2:00 in the morning, and my loved one was at the end of my bed, and they scared the blank out of me."

[25:59] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[25:59] Speaker 2: And it's like, well, they- they're always there. You saw them with spiritual eyes 'cause your brain was shut off. You weren't-

[26:09] Speaker 3: Huh.

[26:09] Speaker 2: So, when we're in a medi- there's different stages of being in a meditative state, you know? The way that I kind of look at it is, well, when we daydream, that's meditative, right? Or when we pray.

[26:21] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[26:22] Speaker 2: Or when we go into a meditation. There's even transcendental meditation. Then we can also look at, well, when we sleep at night, our brains are shut off.

[26:34] Speaker 3: Right.

[26:34] Speaker 2: Um-

[26:35] Speaker 3: Absolutely.

[26:35] Speaker 2: ... when someone has, sadly, dementia, or they're unconscious and making the journey, they're in a different meditative state and already feeling the other side. There are people that have had near-death experiences, but they come back.

[26:50] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[26:50] Speaker 2: So, we have different levels of consciousness.

[26:52] Speaker 3: OBEs are another big thing for-

[26:53] Speaker 2: Yes.

[26:54] Speaker 3: ... Yeah.

[26:54] Speaker 2: Exactly. That's another one too.

[26:56] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[26:56] Speaker 2: So, if we think about that, and you asked that question, "Does he hear me?" I would more or less say what prompted me to want to speak to him, besides my, of course, my incredible grief, missing him.

[27:08] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[27:08] Speaker 2: You might have gotten a little signal from him, and you're like, "Okay, I'm right here." Because they're right here. Their ability to-

[27:17] Speaker 3: Yeah, it's, it's so weird.

[27:18] Speaker 2: ... be the best empath in the world. They're present. They're also connected to those that passed before them. So, I believe, in my humble opinion, I might have said this before on the show-

[27:29] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[27:29] Speaker 2: ... but they have the best of both worlds, 'cause they can reach us, and they can be with people that passed before them or just passed over. So, I believe very much, to answer your question, you might be already connecting to your son-

[27:44] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[27:44] Speaker 2: ... humanistically, but then your brain says, "I want to send you a message, son."

[27:49] Speaker 3: (inhales) Yeah, and, and-

[27:50] Speaker 2: 'Cause they're that, they're that connected. That's why-

[27:53] Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, many, uh, many people en- encourage that, you know? Like, uh, there's this one guy, he wrote a book called Coffee Talk or whatever, like-

[28:01] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[28:02] Speaker 3: ... have a cup of coffee with your- with your- your deceased loved one. Just talk to them.

[28:05] Speaker 2: That's beautiful.

[28:06] Speaker 3: Have a conversation.

[28:07] Speaker 2: That's beautiful. I love that.

[28:09] Speaker 3: You know?

[28:09] Speaker 2: It's so true. I go to my mother's kitchen all the time.

[28:12] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[28:13] Speaker 2: I go to my mo- mother's kitchen. I had this experience where, I don't know if I... Uh, uh, I don't... I think this happened after the last time I was on, so I don't believe you've heard this story. Um, I go to my mother's kitchen, and I knock on the door. This is usually the meditation. And usually, I'll see her there, and she'll give me a hug, and then we'll make our way to the dining room, which is connected to the kitchen. But this time, instead of the hug, she walked away from me, and I saw her profile, and she looked at me, and she said, "Do you want some coffee?" And I went, "Oh, yeah. Your coffee. I forgot about your coffee, Mom." See, my dad's 100% Italian, and my mother was French and Polish, and she thought the idea of making an espresso was putting too much Maxwell House into a Mr. Coffee machine. So, it was very bitter and strong.

[29:07] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[29:07] Speaker 3: Oh, my God.

[29:08] Speaker 2: I'd do anything to have that coffee today, but I w- I totally forgot about it. And, and so I brought that with me. You know, I'm thinking, "Well, why did she bring up the coffee?"

[29:18] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[29:18] Speaker 2: And not putting two and two together, the next day, I was scheduled to meet my sister at Starbucks. My sister took a little bit of her latte. It was perfect. I took my latte. Roman, it was the worst latte in my life.

[29:34] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[29:34] Speaker 2: And I'm looking at this latte, and I'm almost like... She goes, "Bad coffee?" And I, and I told her. She goes, "Well, of course Mom did that. She knew we were getting together." Because our reason for getting together was to talk about a family member who wasn't doing well. And, and my mother passed quite a while ago, and it still shows-

[29:53] Speaker 3: Okay.

[29:53] Speaker 2: ... you how grie- in 2004.

[29:56] Speaker 3: Wow.

[29:56] Speaker 2: But I miss her still horribly.

[29:58] Speaker 3: Yeah, of course.

[30:00] Speaker 2: Um, but we had forgotten, as siblings, what my mother would say in that situation. And do you know? We sat there and channeled, "Oh, yeah," she would say, "and na-na-na..." And that's exactly what my mo- that's the reason why my mother did that. 'Cause she wanted to be inserted into that conversation. But we don't think of life...... backwards and then inserted forwards, we're always thinking forward, forward, forward, forward, unless we get triggered by something emotionally. So, the way they work though is they know that we have our brains and that wh- (laughs) they have to try to get our attention or do something miraculous to say, "Oh my God, it's you." And that's exactly what my mother did. Um, she planted something in my being, "Want some coffee." And it, and the next day, there it was.

[30:56] Speaker 2: So, that's why I think-

[30:57] Speaker 3: Wow.

[30:57] Speaker 2: ... spending time with them first, like that coffee talk gentleman says.

[31:01] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[31:02] Speaker 2: Go to your favorite place or ask them, "Where do you want to go today?"

[31:06] Speaker 3: Mm.

[31:07] Speaker 2: And, and, and be in the quiet and, and see where they take you. And even though, again, your brain's gonna go, "I don't believe this. I'm making this up," trust the process. Trust that they are still inserted in our lives. And just because we don't see the signs or don't see their intention doesn't mean they're, they're not sending them. They are. We just have to be better, I think, investigators and, and patient, which is, it's so hard to be patient when you're grieving.

[31:37] Speaker 3: Mm. Yeah.

[31:38] Speaker 2: Very hard.

[31:38] Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely.

[31:39] Speaker 2: Very hard.

[31:39] Speaker 3: So, when we cross over, do we get to choose or do we have any influence on who's there to greet us on the other side when we do cross over?

[31:49] Speaker 2: I don't n-... Well, I don't know everything, but what I have seen-

[31:54] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[31:55] Speaker 2: ... is, um, loved ones, especially... Now, I'm not saying this is only with folks with dementia, but they have... I've done readings, wish I could remember a particular one, but the sensation was even though my heart was still beating here, I met up with Grandpa Joe. And the person will say, "Oh my God, they were saying 'Grandpa Joe' when they were unconscious." Like, so I believe we have a circle of people, uh, a whole soul group of people.

[32:28] Speaker 2: I believe we will be drawn first fr- to the familiar, you know, um-

[32:34] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

[32:34] Speaker 2: ... you know, when I pass, I'll probably go into my mother's kitchen and go, "Okay, I'm here now. What's next?" You know?

[32:39] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.

[32:40] Speaker 2: "What do I got to do?" But there might be the grandmother I never met, the dogs I miss. So, choosing, I think it's a two-way thing. Spirit knows, for example, just like they, they know we're together today, they also know when someone's making the transition. So, they also know, "Hey, let's, let's gather. Let's welcome. Let's, let's be with them." But I don't believe it's they-

[33:05] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[33:06] Speaker 2: ... they are coming to us. I believe we... It's-

[33:10] Speaker 3: Uh-huh.

[33:10] Speaker 2: It's almost like a light switch. It's like, uh, as the brain gets weaker, the spirit gets grander.

[33:16] Speaker 3: You know, it's-

[33:16] Speaker 2: We live conversely here.

[33:17] Speaker 3: That reminds me, tomorrow is gonna be the s- the second year anniversary of, of the passing of my wife's mom.

[33:23] Speaker 2: Oh.

[33:23] Speaker 3: And, uh, she was like, uh, in and out of it, like, totally bedridden, like, sick for a long time.

[33:30] Speaker 2: Oh, that's-

[33:31] Speaker 3: And the day before she died, up in bed, smiling-

[33:35] Speaker 2: Yep.

[33:35] Speaker 3: ... talking, communicating.

[33:38] Speaker 2: Yep, talking. That's her. That's her.

[33:38] Speaker 3: And we're thinking, "This is great. She's recovering," or whatever, you know, even though the nurses and the doctor said, "No, her, her system's gone," you know? But, like, we were like, "No, look at her, you know, she's laughing," you know? And then just, you know, then she just... A- after all the guests left-

[33:56] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[33:56] Speaker 3: ... she fell asleep and that was it.

[33:58] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yep.

[33:59] Speaker 3: Isn't that funny?

[34:00] Speaker 2: Gentle. Gentle. Yeah, it's a gentle thing. It's, it's like living in two worlds, you know?

[34:07] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.

[34:08] Speaker 2: It, it, it, it's really, for us, our brains are wracked with it and we put questions and we, we want to make it physical, but, um, the, the gentleness of how the... I have felt the spirit leaves the body, it's more gentle than... We look at that, like, I could still picture my mother with Stage IV cancer. It's very traumatic.

[34:33] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[34:33] Speaker 2: I can't get that out of my head.

[34:34] Speaker 3: Cancer sucks. Mm-hmm.

[34:35] Speaker 2: I d- it's, it's traumatic. However, when I think of my mom, the way she's been showing herself in my dreams as the 20... I'm seven years old and my mother's 27, and I'm like, "Mom, why are you showing yourself so much younger than I am now?" And she says, "Because you're still thinking of me with cancer," and I woke up. It's like, they know what's going on in our brains. They know the trauma that we feel. They also know how it's blocking us, because when our brains are ruminating-

[35:07] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[35:07] Speaker 2: ... it's that spiritual muscle I speak about. Wh- when your brains are ruminating and the woulda, shoulda, couldas, or the I wish I could see you again, which are n- all normal-

[35:15] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[35:15] Speaker 2: ... you can't fix normal-

[35:17] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[35:17] Speaker 2: ... that k- pulls you away from you spiritually connecting to them. So, they know the blocks we have.

[35:26] Speaker 3: Mm.

[35:26] Speaker 2: They can sense them when they're sitting with us or they're sending us, "Oh, okay, you can't sense this 'cause you've got house cleaning on your mind," or, you know, whatever. And then they'll s- they'll bring a bird to your window, going, "I'm here," you know? (laughs)

[35:40] Speaker 3: Mm.

[35:40] Speaker 2: Like, they'll do things to get your attention. "Oh, pretty bird," and we move on because got to pay my bills, got to go grocery shopping.

[35:45] Speaker 3: Yeah. Yep.

[35:46] Speaker 2: You know, w- we are still physical, which is good for our brain. Our brain is built for survival and we like being physical, and, you know, I'm not in any hurry to get on the other side, except I miss my mom. But besides that, I still have a lot to do here.

[35:59] Speaker 3: Yep.

[35:59] Speaker 2: And that's my brain talking.

[36:01] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[36:01] Speaker 2: But my spirit, my spirit is sometimes with my mom.

[36:06] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[36:06] Speaker 2: We have to live in two worlds sometimes. It's like, "Okay, Mom-

[36:10] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[36:10] Speaker 2: ... what did you tell me today? What's going on today? W- what do I have to say to my siblings when I see them on Saturday?" And she'll tell me things and then I'll get a call, my sister will say the very thing that my mother just told me. I'm like, "Okay, I get it." (laughs) You know, but, but I'm-

[36:25] Speaker 3: Lucky that you can, you know, that you have that ability to that-

[36:27] Speaker 2: But we all do.

[36:29] Speaker 3: I know we all do.

[36:29] Speaker 2: That's why we have to practice it.

[36:31] Speaker 3: Yes.

[36:31] Speaker 2: We have to practice it.

[36:32] Speaker 3: Practice, practice.

[36:33] Speaker 2: And there are times I'm grieving, and I can't. I just can't go there. There are times I'm grieving, Roman, and I have to reschedule clients 'cause I can't go there. You know?

[36:44] Speaker 3: Gotcha.

[36:44] Speaker 2: 'Cause that's the humanness of grieving.

[36:47] Speaker 3: Yeah. I was just gonna ask you, like, have you ever had to turn away clients? And I guess, for that reason, I guess.

[36:54] Speaker 2: Turned away or rescheduled?

[36:54] Speaker 3: Yeah, rescheduled.

[36:55] Speaker 2: Well, um, well is, is, is your question turn away 'cause they're cynical or because I'm grieving?

[36:59] Speaker 3: Well-

[37:00] Speaker 2: I didn't mean to put you-

[37:01] Speaker 3: ... both, actually, now that you bring it up. That's a, that's a, yeah.

[37:03] Speaker 2: Okay. (laughs) I'm sorry. Well, well, if I'm having a bad day grieving, I, I... Or let's say there's something difficult going on in my family, I can't, my brain's ruminating-

[37:15] Speaker 3: It's... Yeah.

[37:15] Speaker 2: ... I have to reschedule clients. That's just how I work.

[37:18] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[37:18] Speaker 2: I, it wouldn't be fair. And it's, it's like pulling teeth-

[37:22] Speaker 3: You got to.

[37:22] Speaker 2: ... to try to channel someone I don't know.

[37:26] Speaker 3: Hmm.

[37:27] Speaker 2: And to help. It's unfair to the client, and it's unfair to the, the spirit or spirits I'm representing.

[37:33] Speaker 3: Right. Mm-hmm.

[37:34] Speaker 2: Um, I, I have had to stop sessions when someone is obviously cynical. I don't mind skeptical people.

[37:41] Speaker 3: Okay.

[37:42] Speaker 2: I don't mind skept-

[37:43] Speaker 3: Open skepticism is good, yeah.

[37:44] Speaker 2: I, I think it's healthy.

[37:46] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. Of course.

[37:46] Speaker 2: I don't want everyone saying yes all the time. I wanna say I get a no, I wanna go back and, and ask the loved one who's coming through, "Why did I get that wrong? Well, how did I misinterpret that?"

[37:56] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[37:56] Speaker 2: That, that's... I think that's how you learn to be a better medium. When you make mistakes or you don't understand, and you go back and ask, "How did I get that wrong?" Then they show you, and then you're like, "Okay, yeah, there... It's a relationship with spirit. Look at that." Um, so I've had to stop sessions when I can tell that someone came there to be cynical, and they're challenging me with every sentence I say. I'm not gonna put myself through that.

[38:27] Speaker 2: I'll give them their money back and go, "Look, maybe I'm not the medium for you."

[38:32] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm, yeah.

[38:32] Speaker 2: "I'll give you back the money, and see who you can find that can po- potentially help you." You know? 'Cause I'm not-

[38:38] Speaker 3: That's, that's probably the best way to handle that.

[38:40] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just not worth it. And worth it meaning, I feel sad either that that person's so cynical, and I could, and I couldn't help them. But, uh, I think also I want to save the ability for someone who's at least, at the very least skeptical, or that they're curious, and especially if they're grieving. You know, I wanna be able to utilize the abilities to help. And a person who comes that cynical, they don't wanna be helped; they wanna challenge you. And I'm, I'm not doing that. (laughs) I'm just not.

[39:15] Speaker 3: No, yeah. There's, there's not even a point in doing that.

[39:17] Speaker 2: I just don't wanna do it. I'm just not gonna do it, um, and so-

[39:21] Speaker 3: But you know what? There's, there's a lot of, uh, cynicism out there and-

[39:26] Speaker 2: Sure.

[39:26] Speaker 3: ... there are some mediums out there that hang out the shingle, and they're not really mediums.

[39:30] Speaker 2: That's true.

[39:30] Speaker 3: They're just, you know, trying to, trying to make a buck, and they give her... all the, the, the real mediums a bad name unfortunately, the way that it is.

[39:37] Speaker 2: That's true, yeah.

[39:38] Speaker 3: But I think that, uh, you know, with s- with social media and, you know, there's a lot of bad things about social media, obviously, especially for young children.

[39:46] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[39:46] Speaker 3: Um, but, you know, it's really put out the word that, you know, this whole realm exists w- w- within our reach, you know?

[39:57] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

[39:57] Speaker 3: And, uh, I think it's, i- i- it's a good, uh, it's a good vessel to, to, to spread the word.

[40:02] Speaker 2: It sure is, mm-hmm.

[40:04] Speaker 3: Um, and, uh, yeah, probably the most important vessel at this point. You know, you have your retreats, and you have one-on-ones and sessions, but this, this is, like, 24/7, all the time, you know?

[40:15] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[40:15] Speaker 3: It's out there all the time.

[40:16] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

[40:17] Speaker 3: And there's, there's some websites that are really, really good, like, uh, like the, the, the Triple F website is really good-

[40:23] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[40:23] Speaker 3: ... Signs of Life.

[40:24] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[40:25] Speaker 3: That, uh... I, I don't know if you, you heard of the, the... Victor Zammit from Australia, he's got an incredible website as well-

[40:30] Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, sure.

[40:31] Speaker 3: ... with his Friday Afterlife Reports. I, I highly recommend everybody to, to use that. So yeah, that's, that's fantastic. So tell me, as a... y- you've been practicing for about 25 years. In those 25 years, what is one of the most mind-blowing things that you witnessed-

[40:48] Speaker 2: Oh God.

[40:48] Speaker 3: ... during a reading?

[40:53] Speaker 2: There are many, many. Um, I had a woman come to me who lost a child. And at the... I hope I haven't told this story already, but um-

[41:08] Speaker 3: No.

[41:08] Speaker 2: At the end of the session, her child... I can't remember if it was a son or a daughter, forgive me, but the child said, "Oh, I have a white dog here." And the mother looked at me, and she went, "Well, we, we've never had dogs, um, uh, let alone a white one." I said, "Well, there's been evidence so far, and there's been messages." She goes, "Yes, there have been." I said, "Keep that in your head and your heart, it might make sense later on." She goes, "Okay." The very next day, Roman, I get a text from her, and she sends me a picture of a white dog. And I said, "Who is thi...

[41:49] Speaker 2: (laughs) How is this connected?"

[41:51] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[41:51] Speaker 2: And she goes, "You will not believe this. I couldn't believe it either, but I was speaking to my girlfriend about your reading." And ap- apparently she lived on the other coast, and, um, she had flown in for... She got there for the burial of the child. And what the mom didn't know was, the day before, this woman had put down her white dog. And she said to her child, she said to the white... her white dog, her friend, "Go, go to the child."

[42:25] Speaker 3: Wow.

[42:26] Speaker 2: So that's why he... I can't remember if it was a, a son or daughter, but it was like, that's why he said, "I have the white dog here."And she was just blown away that, "Oh, my gosh. It's all connected, isn't it?" And I said, "It certainly is."

[42:41] Speaker 3: Wow.

[42:41] Speaker 2: Um, and it, and it helped also, and it shows you how spirit wants to help, because it also helped that woman who lost her dog.

[42:52] Speaker 3: Right.

[42:52] Speaker 2: Because she kno- she said, "Go, go to the child." And the dog did.

[42:57] Speaker 3: That's amazing.

[42:58] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[42:59] Speaker 3: Wow. Hey, we have a caller.

[43:02] Speaker 2: Oh, wonderful.

[43:03] Speaker 3: Um, yeah. So let's, let's take this caller. It's Melanie from Nevada on line one. So Melanie, welcome to the show.

[43:13] Speaker 4: Hi. Thank you.

[43:15] Speaker 3: You're welcome.

[43:16] Speaker 4: I just was so appreciative, Angelina, of what you were saying about how, you know, I won't deny I still love the pennies and the gifts from my daughter. She died a little over five years ago. But the deeper connection that you were talking about, it's like, I talk to my cousin about this a lot, because it gets to a point where, for me, I have to kind of stay out of looking at, you know, the memories or staying in the past, because what we have in the present is so unique. And I just, like one example recently, I'm writing about my grief journey, and I was trying to figure the subtitle for my title, because it's a hard topic. And I was like, okay, the difficult adventure climbing out of the pits of grief, and, you know, I was just struggling with all of this. And then suddenly I'm reading this book, and a word that I didn't know was there, and I have a fairly good vocabulary, but the word is peregrination.

[44:19] Speaker 4: And I had never heard it before, but (laughs) I was like, I looked it up, and I know my daughter gave it to me for the title, because it means two things. One, it says it refers to a long, meandering journey, often with a sense of adventure or explanation. And the second meaning is, it can also refer to a person's life regarded as a temporary stay on Earth and a journey to the afterlife. So, (laughs) it's exactly what you were saying.

[44:47] Speaker 4: I just said, "Okay, thank you, Quincy, that's the word."

[44:51] Speaker 2: Wow.

[44:51] Speaker 4: So anyway, I just wanted to share that, because-

[44:53] Speaker 2: Beautiful.

[44:54] Speaker 4: ... it's cool, right?

[44:55] Speaker 2: It's very cool, and it gives you that, it gives you that deeper sensation because it came from within. I- it wasn't the classic signs that we get, which are wonderful. Um, but it, it, it, to me it speaks of your child going on the journey with you too, knowing that you were searching for a word, right, right alongside you, you know? Um, it's a beautiful story. Thank you for sharing that. I love it.

[45:27] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[45:28] Speaker 2: Great.

[45:28] Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, well, you're talk-

[45:29] Speaker 2: I love that we're similar.

[45:30] Speaker 4: Well, you're talking about the c- (laughs) Well, you're talking about the coffee made me think of it for some reason. But yeah, it's, but like you said too, I'm not a medium, you know? Like I am intuitive in the sense of like I can read between the lines, but I, y- y- you know, I'm just a regular person in that regard. But if I didn't know-

[45:51] Speaker 2: So I mean it's-

[45:52] Speaker 4: ... it's her helping, you know, it's just powerful.

[45:55] Speaker 2: Well, it's the connection, right? You know, it's the connection that you have-

[45:59] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[45:59] Speaker 2: ... with your child and she has with you. And even though it's, uh, I said it to Roman too, it's the worst loss that anybody can have, and I'm sorry-

[46:10] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[46:11] Speaker 2: ... that you've been through that. But it's beautiful that it's being uncovered to you, that you, you know it, you know the connection. Like a lot of people say at the end of a session to me, they'll go, "You know, I do have a question. I got this sign. Is that them?" And it's like, well, okay. What made you pay attention to that than anything else? It's that knowing, that, that little pull that you get that even though the brain's going, this is remarkable, but is it real, there's something inside of you that got pulled to it, you know? And, and that i- is extraordinary, and I'm so glad that you shared it, and I'm glad it gave you that knowing, 'cause they do stay connected to us. I mean, of course we wish they could walk through the door, but the second-best thing is that you get to feel their presence, and you have that knowing that they're still connected. Thank you for sharing that.

[47:05] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[47:06] Speaker 2: It's really awesome.

[47:06] Speaker 3: Melanie, thank you.

[47:07] Speaker 4: Well, I'll-

[47:07] Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Thank you for your call.

[47:10] Speaker 4: Sure thing. I'll let you go now. Bye.

[47:13] Speaker 2: Thank you.

[47:14] Speaker 3: Buh-bye.

[47:14] Speaker 2: That was sweet. I love that.

[47:15] Speaker 3: Yeah. And guess what? We, we got another caller.

[47:19] Speaker 2: Oh, great.

[47:19] Speaker 3: Yeah. We got Vivian from Florida on line two. She wants to share a, a funny experience related to mediumship.

[47:27] Speaker 2: Oh, okay.

[47:27] Speaker 3: Well, Vivian, welcome to the show.

[47:30] Speaker 5: Hi. Hi, thank you very much.

[47:33] Speaker 3: Hi.

[47:33] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[47:33] Speaker 3: You're welcome, welcome.

[47:34] Speaker 5: So, uh, I was having dinner when I called the first time and they couldn't hear me, so I said, "Don't worry, I'll come in like, I'll finish, I'm finishing, getting in my car." Um, my mom, my mom passed away. I was very close to her, I lived with her, and, uh, back in, uh, November 20 of 21. And my birthday is in July, so, um, for some reason when people that are close to me, re- only my dad and my grandmother I was able to connect with them for, uh, via dreams. And I was, my mother was really the closest person in my life, and I was so disappointed at first, right, that she w- I wasn't able to have a dream with her, you know? So I was like, "Where's Mom?" (laughs) So then about, uh, and my, for my birthday I finally traveled, because I was taking care of her for a long time and I hadn't gone anywhere, and I, and I knew she was gonna be really happy for me that I was going out of town. I went to Europe, and, um, so it was a long trip.

[48:34] Speaker 5: And the thing is, I took some clothes of hers that fit meSo, I pretty much had her with me, in a way, her clothing. She had a lot of good taste in clothes.

[48:43] Speaker 6: (laughs)

[48:43] Speaker 5: And, uh, when I came back, I felt her and, uh, like, she was really happy that I was traveling and having an good time. And when I came back, uh, the funny thing that happened was, that my mother loved to shop. And she loved to buy me birthday gifts or gifts for Christmas. And I knew she, she would have wanted to do something like that. And all of a sudden, about, I don't know, maybe a week later after my birthday, after I came back, you know, um, I g- I get an Amazon delivery, and I didn't order anything.

[49:18] Speaker 6: Huh.

[49:18] Speaker 5: And I thought, this is unusual. So, I call Amazon and I ask them, uh, (clears throat) excuse me. But the thing that I got, (beep) actually, which is really amazing is that, I wear, I like to wear these really comfortable, uh, shoes that, they're made by Clarks, um, sandals. And I got, not only did I get a Clarks shoe, but I got the size that fits me. And, uh, the people at Amazon were perplexed. They didn't know how that got to my house.

[49:46] Speaker 6: Wow.

[49:46] Speaker 5: But not only did I get that, I got also a, so specifically something that she would do or get me. And not only that, I got, I got this big thing of treats 'cause I, at the time, my cat passed away recently. But she was real close to my cat too. And, um, my, uh, she, basically, I got a big container of special treats for my cat too.

[50:10] Speaker 6: For your cat? Oh. (laughs)

[50:10] Speaker 5: So, I got that and my sandals.

[50:13] Speaker 6: Wow.

[50:13] Speaker 5: And nobody could figure out where that came from. And the lady on the phone at Amazon said, "Don't worry about it. Just keep it. Uh, you don't have to return it." And I thought, okay...

[50:21] Speaker 6: Well, thank you for sharing such a beautiful story. Thank you so much. Yeah, Vivian

[50:28] Speaker 5: Yeah. And, and, and I said, so there, yeah, because she shopped all the time, and I thought, my mom is still shopping from over there. (laughs)

[50:37] Speaker 6: Well, that's a beautiful story. Thank you so much for sharing it with us. Yeah. Vivian, thank you for your call

[50:43] Speaker 5: You're welcome. Thank you.

[50:45] Speaker 6: Thank you.

[50:45] Speaker 5: Bye bye now. Have a good night.

[50:46] Speaker 6: You too. Ah It's just, the timing of spirit See, you never know, you never know how it's gonna hit ya, you know That's right. Timing is spirit. I love it. That's wonderful It's, um, you know, uh, I firmly believe that our brains are receivers of information, the information's out there. Scientists have never been able to see where memory is stored, where your consciousness is stored, where your personality is stored, all of that kind of thing. Um, it's kind of like a TV, right?

[51:15] Speaker 6: If you, if you smash the TV, you will not kill the weatherman

[51:20] Speaker 5: No. (laughs)

[51:21] Speaker 6: You know, the information's still there, you know? It's, it's out there.

[51:24] Speaker 5: Yeah, that's, yeah, that's true.

[51:24] Speaker 6: Whereas if you take a baseball bat to someone's head, yeah, you'll damage those receivers, so y- you hit, you know, a, a certain part of the head, the person can go blind or whatever, but that's not... Because, well, th- the receptors are, are, are there, you know? It's, it's all about receiving a- and it's so complex that science has, has not even touched it, like, consciousness and, and that, you know? It's crazy.

[51:49] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[51:49] Speaker 6: Anyways, we are getting to the, uh, we're getting to the very end of our show. Can you believe it?

[51:54] Speaker 5: Wow. It went by so quick.

[51:56] Speaker 6: It went by so quick. It went by so quick. So, listen, before we leave, tell our audience members a little bit about yourself and how they can get ahold of you again, and, uh, how far you're booked, all that kind of stuff. Well, um, I do have a website, AngelinaDiana.com. I also have a very active social media site, which is, uh, Facebook.com/AngelinaDiana. I'm also on Instagram, which is PsychicMediumAngelinaDiana. I do offer video chat readings through Zoom or, or, um, FaceTime. I also have an office in, uh, Suffield, Connecticut. And for those that might be in the Connecticut area, I've just partnered with a holistic center in Glastonbury, Connecticut called The Eclipse Holistic Center. Oh, excuse me, Eclipse Holistic Living Center. And it's run by this lovely woman named Melissa. She's a nurse practitioner. She does Reiki and yoga, and brings wonderful things.

[53:01] Speaker 6: And I feel honored to be a part of that, where I'll be doing events and also, um, classes, which I'm very excited about Right I also do group readings, and I have a Suffield, Connecticut office, so if you'd like to get ahold of me, go to my website, and uh Ah ... it'd be an honor to help if you need me That's great. Well, Angelina, thank you so much for, for being with us tonight. And as always, you know, y- your insights are, are amazing Oh, thank you, Roman. You're amazing too. Thank you for this Oh I appreciate it Aw, shucks Thank you Thank you so much. And, uh, as, as, uh, Fran used to say, uh, that, wh- what did she say? B- they used to love to remind us that our loved ones are only a heartbeat away And science is gonna prove it. That was the, uh, closing that I invented on the first radio show. I closed that On the first radio show, huh 2006 or '07. I forget Yeah, something like that. Fantastic Yeah.

[53:58] Speaker 6: Go, go Canadiens Yes Go Canadians, right I can't wait to see what the score is (laughs) Well, I hope they win for you It's probably in the third period I hope they win for you, Roman All right. Thank you so much again Thank you for having me. Good night All right. Good night, everybody. (instrumental music