[00:03] Speaker 1: Welcome to Signs of Life: Exploring Survival of Consciousness, brought to you by Forever Family Foundation. On the web at foreverfamilyfoundation.org.

[00:15] Speaker 2: I call your name. The echo is haunting. The echo is always the same. I call your name. The echo is haunting. An echo can never be changed. So I call your name. Your name.

[00:48] Speaker 3: And welcome to the gathering on Signs of Life radio. I'm Bob Ginsburg, and you're, for those that are watching, you're looking at Tom and Melissa Gould from a different location than we normally see them. We're in a different location. We're all displaced, I guess, except for you.

[01:04] Speaker 4: Well, except for me.

[01:06] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[01:06] Speaker 5: Except for, yeah.

[01:06] Speaker 4: Yay.

[01:07] Speaker 3: Yeah. Um, this is our, uh, show where we answer your questions. Uh, some of you have emailed questions, but, uh, feel free to call in. The number here is 888-627-6008.

[01:24] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[01:24] Speaker 3: We'd love to hear from you if you wanted to hear something. Getting sign language from Tom.

[01:28] Speaker 5: (laughs)

[01:28] Speaker 3: And I took that right away.

[01:30] Speaker 5: It's 100% true.

[01:30] Speaker 3: Uh, before we get started, I'd like to mention that our, um, uh, I think we have six spots left, uh, for our April, uh-

[01:39] Speaker 4: Oh, nice.

[01:40] Speaker 3: ... grief retreat, which is parents only, um, and also the, uh, retreat in, the summer retreat in Connecticut is, is open for registration, so you can find both of those on our website on the event page. And, uh, let's see what we have going on here. We have, uh, Theresa said that, uh, "I got news from my son, Ian's father, last July saying my son was in the hospital. Little did I know that my son was on life support at the time." Hm "I flew from Italy to the US the morning after I received the message.

[02:21] Speaker 3: While flying to the US, I clearly heard my son's voice tell me, 'I'm free, Mom.'

[02:28] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[02:29] Speaker 3: "Ian's life support was removed several days later, and he was able to breathe on his own for several hours. My question is, can a soul have left the body and be free yet still be alive physically, whether the person is on life support or breathing or on their own? I hope this question, you know, is clear and makes sense." Yeah, it makes absolutely sense, and, uh, uh, absolute sense, and we believe that yes, indeed, um, you can have the physical body still hanging on, but the soul is, is off and flying-

[03:09] Speaker 4: It's moved on.

[03:09] Speaker 3: ... elsewhere. Yeah, m- moved on, uh-

[03:12] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[03:12] Speaker 3: ... and, and, and, and we hear that. But, but that's kind of extraordinary that you heard the voice, "I'm free, Mom," right?

[03:20] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[03:20] Speaker 3: 'Cause Ian was able to get that message to you, um, quickly, you know. Even while his-

[03:28] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[03:28] Speaker 3: ... body was still there, uh, but he was already on the other side, you know, so, th- th- that, that's wonderful.

[03:35] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[03:36] Speaker 5: You know, I've heard that a lot. Uh, in the sense that, uh, of course, a lot of people, uh, when their, their loved one perishes in some sort of accident or something like that, they're, they are, uh, their major concern is, oh my gosh, did they, did they have pain, did they suffer from that? And, uh, o- of all the readings I've seen, a lot of times, I mean, if it's, uh, say a car accident, they'll tell the medium that they were already gone when the car hit. That they didn't feel any pain. As soon as it was their time, off they went. Um, that's one thing. Another thing was when my dad was, uh, uh, had been taken off of life support after a massive stroke, he was still alive, uh, but they were transporting his body from a hospital in New York City to a hospice in Port Jefferson, and the ambulance had to drive, uh, past our house. Not literally past our house, but you know, our house was in between the two places.

[04:42] Speaker 4: The exit to our house.

[04:43] Speaker 5: And, uh, we were having dinner with some friends, and right about the time when his, uh, ambulance would've been going, uh, past our exit, my car alarm started going off. And it had never gone off on its own before and it hasn't since, and it was, uh, there was nobody around, and we all figured, "Well, there, that's Dad saying hello as he was going by," but he was still alive and he lived, uh, uh, you know, for a good five or six days afterwards. So yes, I've seen firsthand that they can leave their body when it's, it's getting close to time.

[05:26] Speaker 4: And if you recall, when your mom, we wanted to keep her at home, but the last 48 hours, it seemed like, like, the care we could give her at home wouldn't be sufficient, and so she was transferred to a beautiful hospice setting, and as we were waiting for the hospice transporters to arrive, Mom was laying there and we were talking to her and, but suddenly there was, like, this... We were talking to her. She was not responding.

[05:55] Speaker 4: But then there was, right before they arrived or as they started to lift her and move her-

[05:59] Speaker 5: When we, yeah, the, uh, there was one guy who came, and so he needed help to get her from her bed onto the gurney, and I helped-... and, uh, uh, as soon as we lifted her, she gave out a little, uh, moan and I could feel-

[06:15] Speaker 6: Like a whoosh.

[06:16] Speaker 5: ... a whoosh right through my, through me and I, I, I knew that was her. Uh, and then on top of all of that, we've heard of remote viewing where people can leave their body and go off to a, a coordinate somewhere and see what's there. So, there are living people who can leave their body.

[06:38] Speaker 6: (laughs)

[06:39] Speaker 5: So, people close to death can, can also.

[06:43] Speaker 3: Yeah. You wonder, you know, we've all heard of people that are in comas for extended time, you know, and, and sometimes months and even there are cases where people were in a coma for years, you know.

[06:57] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[06:57] Speaker 3: And it's clear that they're just keeping the body alive, um-

[07:02] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[07:02] Speaker 3: ... there's no possible way of them recovering, um, and yet, it, it makes you wonder. The, the soul is already gone and they're already living life in a different dimension.

[07:15] Speaker 6: (laughs)

[07:15] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

[07:15] Speaker 3: You know, why? It seems so silly-

[07:17] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

[07:17] Speaker 3: ... to keep the body alive, right?

[07:19] Speaker 5: Yes.

[07:20] Speaker 3: So, that happens. I, um, this is a question I... I had a medium reading recently and at the end of the reading, the medium took a moment to close the reading. She thanked Spirit and conveyed to Spirit that the reading was over. I had never seen this before and was wondering the purpose of this and what would happen if the reading did not end in that fashion. I mean, it's not often... I, I've only seen that once and that was very recently.

[07:52] Speaker 3: You know, the, the, the medium finished and then requested that the sitter, you know, hang on, uh, for a while while she spoke to Spirit and-

[08:04] Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.

[08:04] Speaker 3: ... and thanked them and said, "And now I'm closing, you know, the reading." Most mediums-

[08:09] Speaker 6: Oh, wow.

[08:10] Speaker 3: ... don't do that. Th- that, most, most mediums say, um, they just, you know, say Spirit is pulling back or-

[08:18] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[08:18] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[08:18] Speaker 3: ... you know, they give a message, you know, and that's it. So, I don't know. Um, I, I guess there's, there's nothing wrong with it, but, uh, uh, I, I, mediums generally don't feel like they have to say that to Spirit, like, "We're closing the reading now."

[08:34] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[08:34] Speaker 3: I think Spirit knows, right? So...

[08:36] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[08:37] Speaker 6: That's interesting. Maybe I, maybe it's partly to let the sitter know, all right, this is it. (laughs) You know, we're, the show is done and-

[08:46] Speaker 3: Y- yeah. Yeah. No, I know. It was a little, uh-

[08:48] Speaker 6: Thank you for your participation.

[08:50] Speaker 3: Right, I know. (laughs)

[08:52] Speaker 6: (laughs)

[08:53] Speaker 3: Um, and wha- and what if the Spirit says, "I'm, I'm not done yet." (laughs)

[08:58] Speaker 6: (laughs)

[08:58] Speaker 5: Well that's, yeah, that begs that question.

[09:00] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[09:00] Speaker 5: For sure.

[09:01] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[09:01] Speaker 6: Although we've seen, you know, the, the, the three of us here, um, and, and Marta too, it's been part of the, the, the group readings sometimes at our retreats which we often... And if anyone's listening, we, we don't, at our, the retreats that we're the facilitators at, we never want to be read. We love our, uh, we want our loved ones to know of course we want to hear from you, but this weekend that we're participating in is more for our attendees. And, and I trust that Spirit understands that and that our loved ones in Spirit understand that. But we've, you know, we've still, but we've been able to watch some of the group sessions and the medium will just say, "Now they're pulling back now." Or, you know, and I love, um, if you recall, Bob, one of our mediums recently, she was like, as they often are, gangbusters, you know, message after message.

[10:04] Speaker 6: But she described it like, "Now they're all in a line, they're all in a line waiting to come through." And I think that's how it goes, you know?

[10:13] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[10:13] Speaker 6: The spirits wanna communicate with us.

[10:16] Speaker 3: Right. Um, and we, we had a question, um, can mediums help find missing persons? Um-

[10:24] Speaker 6: Ah.

[10:24] Speaker 3: ... and then we, we had another question that just came in and with people specifically asking if me- if we knew if mediums had been contacted, uh, to help find, uh, Nancy Guthrie's, you know, mom.

[10:36] Speaker 6: Oh, right.

[10:37] Speaker 3: Um, and, um, I, I actually happen to know that there are, uh, mediums, some of our mediums that are-

[10:46] Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.

[10:46] Speaker 3: ... that are, that are working on that. But, um, there's two things involved, right?

[10:50] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[10:50] Speaker 3: Because i- if the person that you're searching for is, is already passed, you know, then the mediums, they may be able to give the mediums specific, you know, information, um, about their passing or, or, or whatever. But if the me- if the, if the person that they're searching for is still alive, it becomes more of a psychic or remote viewing type of exercise, you know? So which not, is not always the expertise of the mediums.

[11:21] Speaker 3: They get, you know-

[11:22] Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.

[11:22] Speaker 3: ... ............................ you know. But, but we bo- we all know that, um, mediums, even a lot of the, for the Family Foundation mediums, have worked with police and continue to do so about that, so we know that it helps. And when you've exhausted everything else, you know, why not, you know?

[11:41] Speaker 6: Oh, wouldn't you? I would totally-

[11:44] Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.

[11:44] Speaker 6: ... totally rely on that.

[11:46] Speaker 3: Yeah. I, I mean, I would've, I would've called in a medium, you know, at the very beginning, you know?

[11:51] Speaker 6: Mm-hmm. Absolutely.

[11:53] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[11:55] Speaker 6: But that's us. (laughs)

[11:57] Speaker 5: Yeah, usually it comes, the resistance comes from the others. Uh, I was gonna say the other side, but I meant the, the law enforcement. There, there is a-... a pretty much general feeling amongst law enforcement that this whole stuff is hooey, and, uh, and if you even suggest that you're gonna be talking to a psychic or a medium, uh, you could be, uh, laughed out of your, your department.

[12:25] Speaker 3: I know, I know.

[12:26] Speaker 5: So there is, there is that.

[12:28] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[12:28] Speaker 5: Which of course society has put that on us, that, that we're not supposed to be dabbling in this sort of thing.

[12:36] Speaker 3: Right, right. Um, um, can mediums... Let's see. D- do people who don't believe in God get into heaven?

[12:45] Speaker 6: Oh.

[12:46] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[12:46] Speaker 6: It's been... Heaven is a construct, right, for those who typically believe in God, I think. I mean, I don't use the word God much, but, but something greater than ourselves. So that's in- that's interesting that... I, I always wanted to hear from the other side, someone who was very religious. Well, really, what is going on? What d- were you greeted at the pearly gates? Were you, you know, surrounded by angels or, or what was it like? Heard that in our readings that we've listened in on. Are people really describing how they were greeted? Uh, uh, we know loved ones have been there to greet us, but sort of based on their religious beliefs?

[13:34] Speaker 5: Well, we've heard near death experiences where people say-

[13:38] Speaker 6: That's true.

[13:39] Speaker 5: ... that they've, they were greeted by Jesus or something like that.

[13:42] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[13:43] Speaker 5: Uh, but, uh, you know, back to the question, it's a matter of semantics. Uh, the other side certainly has a heaven, heavenly appeal to it, and, and you f- with the love and compassion that you're greeted with, you, you, you quite naturally would say, "Well, this must be heaven because it feels so good and it's, and it's so loving." So, you know, whether you call it heaven or what, it's, it's a better place than we're living in now.

[14:19] Speaker 3: Yeah. And, and, and, um, yeah, I, I think of it the same way, you know. Um, heaven is a, a plane of existence, you know, and, and there's no prerequisite that you have to believe in God to believe that our loved ones survived physical death and, and that we, um... But it, but the concept is the same, that we believe that you get to a heaven, heavenly-like plane by exhibiting all the love and compassion and helping other people in your, in your, in your basic life.

[14:55] Speaker 3: So in that sense, but, you know, uh, w- we noticed this years ago when we first started, that many people always associate afterlife with religion, that goes-

[15:08] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[15:08] Speaker 3: ... hand-in-hand. But it's not necessarily the case when-

[15:13] Speaker 6: Well, I, I was thinking that if you are raised in a certain faith and, um, and, and you, when you pass, you might very well see, uh, someone that you are familiar w- uh, with. And, and that would certainly be someone that, uh, you've been thinking about and being taught about throughout your life. So, uh, uh, you might very well meet Jesus or Moses or, uh, Mohammed, you know. It, it, because you're... That, that, that, like, uh, when I was a child, uh, when I read, uh, Jesus, uh, in the, about the woman at the well and I fell in love with Jesus because I thought, "Well, here is someone who tolerates and loves everyone." And so, you know, so Jesus has, was a big part of my life for, for many years, and, and, and it's still there. So perhaps I would meet Jesus in, in, in an afterlife, uh, you know, because, because that, it's, he's been a part of my life just as my, my mother and father and my husband and, and, and are all a part of my life. And, um, it, it could very well be. Why not?

[16:29] Speaker 6: Right?

[16:30] Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, well, you know, Tom mentioned, you know, the near death experience and, and it's true that people that are resuscitated get tasked with, with trying to put their experience into words, which is not easy. But the, the way they put it into words is based on their own frame of reference and their own cultural and religious views. So they may be seeing this beautiful entity of life and, you know, uh, uh, Marta might say, "Well, you know, that's Jesus," or somebody else might say, "Well, you know, that's God," or somebody might say, "That's Mohammed." But, um, it's all the same light, but we put different, different terms. And that's why people in diverse parts of the globe with, with different cultural and, uh, societal and religious, um, differences, um, report seeing r- religious figures that are mesh with what they were taught to believe. So, um, I, I, you know, I think that's interesting. You know, I, I was coming... I think we read this once before.

[17:39] Speaker 3: I was looking over my notes and there was something about grief that was attributed to Jim Carrey. Um-

[17:46] Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.

[17:46] Speaker 6: That sounds familiar.

[17:47] Speaker 3: Yeah, he's, he talks a lot about it.

[17:49] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[17:49] Speaker 3: Yeah. Jim Carrey once said, "Grief is not just an emotion. It's an unraveling, a space where something once lived but is now gone. It carves through you, leaving a hollow ache where love once resided. In the beginning, it feels unbearable, like a wound that will never close. But over time, the raw edges begin to mend. The pain softens, but the imprint remains, a quiet reminder of what once was.""The truth is, you never really move on, you move with it. The love you had does not disappear, it transforms. It lingers in the echoes of laughter and the warmth of old memories, in the silent moments where you still reach for what is no longer there. And that's okay. Grief is not a burden to be hidden. It's not a weakness to be ashamed of. It is the deepest proof that love existed, that something beautiful once touched your life. So let yourself feel it. Let, let yourself mourn, let yourself remember. There is no timeline, no right way to grieve.

[18:57] Speaker 3: Some days will be heavy, some will feel lighter. Some moments will bring unexpected waves of sadness, while others will fill you with gratitude for the love you were lucky enough to experience. Honor your grief, for it is sacred. It is a testament to the depth of your heart, and in time, through the pain, you will find healing. Not because you've forgotten, but because you learned how to carry both love and loss together."

[19:24] Speaker 5: Wow.

[19:25] Speaker 3: That's wonderful, isn't it? I mean that, that's-

[19:27] Speaker 5: That's brilliant-

[19:27] Speaker 6: Really.

[19:28] Speaker 3: ... really.

[19:28] Speaker 6: That's right on the money.

[19:29] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[19:29] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[19:30] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[19:30] Speaker 6: Did he have a specific loss that gave him this realization? Do you re- recall?

[19:35] Speaker 3: I don't, I don't know anything really about it, you know?

[19:38] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[19:38] Speaker 3: And I really haven't verified that it was him that said it. I just, I picked that up, you know, from some site, so-

[19:45] Speaker 5: Yeah, I definitely think it was him 'cause he does talk a lot about... He's very spiritual, uh, uh, uh, you know, just a... I remember one of my first, uh, experiences with Jim Carrey's spirituality-

[19:57] Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.

[19:57] Speaker 5: ... was how he was, before he got famous, he was homeless. He was living in his car, uh, waiting to get, uh, cast in something. And while he was living in this car, he wrote himself a check-

[20:12] Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.

[20:12] Speaker 5: ... for $20 million. And, and he put it aside and, and basically as an intention and said, "This is going to be my, in my future," and sure enough, he made a movie where he was paid $20 million. So, I don't think (laughs) everybody could necessarily do that, uh, but, but it just shows how he, he was on the path to spirituality right from the start.

[20:38] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's great.

[20:38] Speaker 6: I have my checkbook with me. Should I check?

[20:40] Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you should. (laughs)

[20:41] Speaker 3: Well, the first thing I'm gonna do is I'm gonna try and find mine.

[20:45] Speaker 5: (laughs)

[20:45] Speaker 6: I have one.

[20:47] Speaker 3: When you do find your checkbook, Melissa, um-

[20:49] Speaker 6: Yeah?

[20:49] Speaker 3: ... make, make it payable to Bob Ginsberg.

[20:54] Speaker 5: (laughs)

[20:54] Speaker 6: Good. Oh, wait, wait.

[20:59] Speaker 3: I'll share.

[21:00] Speaker 6: Uh-huh. (laughs)

[21:02] Speaker 3: Um, um, all right.

[21:03] Speaker 6: Um-

[21:03] Speaker 3: We have, um, Antonia from California on the line.

[21:09] Speaker 6: Great.

[21:09] Speaker 3: Hi, An- Hi, Antonia.

[21:12] Speaker 7: Hi, Bob. Thank you. Um, I have a question about, um, during a, a sitting, is the medium's connection a two-way connection with spirit? Can I, through that connection, communicate with my son and ask a question?

[21:33] Speaker 6: I believe so.

[21:34] Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and a lot of mediums, um, do, um, usually at the end of their readings, ask the sitter if they would like to ask a question of the person in spirit. You don't always get, um, an answer to a direct question, but, you know, sometimes it happens. But, um, I think it is a, um, you know, a two-way connection. And, you know, even if it's not through a medium, um, there's nothing to prevent you from asking your loved one a question and seeing if that comes through, you know, in the form of a, of, of a voice or, or a vision or a dream visitation and so forth. So, but, but it's not...

[22:20] Speaker 3: You know, a lot of people make the mistake of thinking that it's like a phone call, you know-

[22:24] Speaker 6: Right.

[22:24] Speaker 5: Right.

[22:24] Speaker 3: ... where you can ask specific questions and you can... It, you know, it, it, it's hard. It's hard for them to communicate. A lot of spirits, you know, have to learn how to do it and maybe need assess- assistance to do it. So, it's hard enough getting those little snippets of information in the medium, then putting it into words and interpreting it. Um, it's even harder to get a direct answer to a direct question.

[22:49] Speaker 3: So I don't know-

[22:50] Speaker 6: I was thinking that you could ask the question, but your son m- might not... That, that the answer to your question might come out differently because what's important to you might have shifted in his present state, and what you might wanna know, he might not feel was, I, I hate to say not important, but not necessary for you to know. So, I think there are probably a number of reasons, but I, I think it'd be worth a try.

[23:24] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[23:25] Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.

[23:26] Speaker 3: I mean, the reason we don't usually-

[23:28] Speaker 6: I-

[23:28] Speaker 3: ... recommend that a sitter asks the medium a question, it's sort of like feeding them information, you know?

[23:33] Speaker 6: Ah.

[23:34] Speaker 3: Uh, but after the reading is over-

[23:36] Speaker 6: Okay.

[23:36] Speaker 3: ... um, I, I don't see anything wrong with it. Have you tried that, Antonia?

[23:42] Speaker 7: Well, I, I had a sitting with a medium. Um, I finally felt I could do it after the autopsy report. It felt like, "Okay, now I can talk 'cause I know what happened." And I found myself in that first sitting very skeptical, and I felt kind of ashamed that I was almost not really believing her.

[24:05] Speaker 6: Wow.

[24:05] Speaker 7: And so, I've, I've already scheduled one with your, with Forever Foun- Family. It's in April.

[24:11] Speaker 6: Great.

[24:11] Speaker 7: And I wanna be prepared for it. Yeah. I, I, I'm so excited. (laughs) I wanna be prepared for it because I, I feel if I ask my son for a sign, that I feel like I'm...H- I don't know how ... I'm not worthy to ask him. I feel like I'm putting too much pressure on him, like I'm testing him. "Send me a sign." I feel like that's too much. I don't... I'm trying to figure out how to communicate directly-

[24:37] Speaker 8: Per-

[24:37] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[24:37] Speaker 7: ... is what I'm saying.

[24:38] Speaker 3: I, I, I don't think it's too much. I think that he appreciates that and wants to communicate, you know, and will try, try to make it happen. Um, during your reading, um, I wouldn't, um, necessarily, you know, ask the medium a specific question. Just let the medium ... It's more evidential when, when the mediums brings through the messages, you know, from your son. Um, th- uh, having said that, you know, if it's unclear if the medium is bringing through information that may apply to two different people or more, um, I don't ... There's nothing wrong with trying to as- you know, ask the medium, um, you know, just s- uh, "Be honest, I'm not sure who that is.

[25:25] Speaker 3: Can you give me more information?" And that's their signal to go-

[25:29] Speaker 7: Mm-hmm.

[25:29] Speaker 3: ... back to Spirit and get, you know, more specifics. But y- I, I, I, I, I-

[25:34] Speaker 7: Mm-hmm.

[25:34] Speaker 3: ... don't think that you should feel like you're putting any, any pressure on them, you know. Uh, you know, uh, your, your son's greatest, uh, wish is to be able to get through to you, you know, in any way that he can.

[25:48] Speaker 6: And, uh-

[25:48] Speaker 5: And, uh, and please ... Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead.

[25:50] Speaker 7: Go ahead.

[25:50] Speaker 6: I was just gonna say, Antonio, please don't be discouraged if you don't get to hear directly from your son because, you know, it's, it's a two-way street. Tom's probably going to say that, you know, the connection that you're, th- the medium has to make with your son and then his back with the medium, so be, uh, just be open. Be open to whatever comes through and, and hopefully it'll be what you wanna hear.

[26:18] Speaker 5: And actually, what I was gonna say is, never apologize for being skeptical.

[26:23] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[26:23] Speaker 5: In fact, I think the healthiest thing to do is to be sk- a skeptic. And what, what I ... The caveat being, be an open-minded skeptic, someone who ... Uh, don't take it at face value, don't, you know, don't just assume because they're calling themselves a medium that they're gonna be great. Go in there with a skepticism, and then when the medium and the spirit get together and come through with what we call the dazzle moments-

[26:53] Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.

[26:53] Speaker 5: ... where it's like, "Oh my God. How, how could they possibly know that?" That's what you're looking for. And you, you won't get that, uh, unless you have a, a bit of skepticism going into it. So that, it, that's a healthy thing.

[27:09] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[27:10] Speaker 7: Mm-hmm. Okay. Thank you.

[27:12] Speaker 3: Well, well, thanks for calling in, Antonia. I hope you hear from your son.

[27:16] Speaker 6: You're welcome. So do I.

[27:18] Speaker 3: Um ...

[27:18] Speaker 7: Thank you. You, huh.

[27:19] Speaker 3: Okay, okay.

[27:20] Speaker 7: Thank you. Bye-bye.

[27:20] Speaker 6: Take care.

[27:21] Speaker 3: Okay. Um, question was, "How can a medium understand thoughts from someone in spirit who spoke a different language?" Um, y- you have a story about that. You, well, from your, your daughter.

[27:37] Speaker 6: Yeah. My, my daughter, Laura, was having a very, very difficult time, and was in s- some small town and alone and, and, uh, really had, had no one, um, no one to talk to. And, um, she was sort of in a, uh, half state of, uh, sleep, between sleep and, and awake, uh, awa- uh, awake ... uh, being awake. And, um, she saw my father, her grandfather. They were sitting on a bench, and he was speaking Swedish to her. That was his first language. And, um, she understood everything he said. And later on, when she awoke, uh, completely, she remembered what he said to her and, and what he looked like, what he wore. Um, and, uh, and, and she felt so, um, changed by it and, and, uh, and she knew that, um ... And my father was this very deep, uh, extraordinary person. Uh, I don't think he ever said anything angry, like Meliss- Melissa.

[28:55] Speaker 6: (laughs)

[28:55] Speaker 7: (laughs)

[28:55] Speaker 6: Never yelled at anyone. He was always so kind and gentle and understanding. And he came to her at the exact moment that she needed him, and, but that he spoke in Swedish. I mean, she knew he was speaking in another language, but that, that she understood him, she said was a gr- the great gift. And, um-

[29:16] Speaker 7: Wow.

[29:16] Speaker 6: ... and he ... Because he came in as a younger man, and he probably would have s- spoken more Swedish at the time.

[29:23] Speaker 3: Yeah. 'Cause he's-

[29:25] Speaker 7: Oh, that's-

[29:25] Speaker 3: And I guess the re- uh, the explanation is that he's, he's not really, um ... It's the thought that counts, you know. It ... Not-

[29:33] Speaker 5: Okay.

[29:33] Speaker 3: Not the language, you know, and, and somehow the thoughts get transmitted so you know, um, you know, what they're saying. But we see it happen all the time with mem- mediums will tell you that they really don't have a problem when they don't speak (laughs) the language of the person that's there.

[29:49] Speaker 6: Right.

[29:50] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[29:51] Speaker 6: I have a question for the two of you. I think this might be something both of you could answer. Anyone who's had a loss could answer, but I'm ... I think I'm a little more intrigued, um, because each of you have lost a spouse. And mo- my sister actually was asking me how we felt about this new technology with AI, where they recreate your loved one, and you can have conversations with them and get responses, and you're getting the image of your loved one and the way they spoke.And she was curious how people take to that. That, is it a comfort? Is it weird? I mean, I guess if you're seeking it out, you're hoping for comfort. What do you two think? Would that be something you would engage in?

[30:46] Speaker 3: Just for me, personally, uh, no. I, I, um, to me, um, it, it's cheating. (laughs) You know, it's...

[30:57] Speaker 6: (laughs)

[30:57] Speaker 3: It, it, it's not, it's hurtful, um, and, uh, it's make-believe, you know. I wanna, I wanna hear directly from, you know, my loved one, but not-

[31:08] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[31:09] Speaker 3: ... you know, AI generated. Um, but I don't know. What, what do you think?

[31:13] Speaker 2: I think right after Kevin died, I, I would've done anything, and, uh, that would've, it might've very much helped my grief. And because, I mean, I was wailing at the s- you know, and angry at God and everybody. And, uh, it might've helped me, um, just, uh, you know, uh, uh, feel comforted for a while.

[31:38] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[31:39] Speaker 2: And, uh, you know, eventually I would've thought, "Well, this is AI-generated," and, but, but perhaps it would've, you know, it would've alleviated some of my, some of my sor-, terrible sorrow.

[31:51] Speaker 6: Mm.

[31:52] Speaker 3: I can see both sides of it, um, you know-

[31:54] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[31:54] Speaker 3: ... with what they do with AI now and what will, what they will do in the future is, you know, quite amazing. I mean, I, I... So if you have the, the image and you had, let's say, you know, sample writings and conversations from your loved one. I mean, I see when we have a meeting, um, you know, on Zoom, and then as soon as the meeting is over, you know, sometimes I get a nine-page, um, summary of everything-

[32:21] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[32:21] Speaker 3: ... you know, that went on, instantly. It's, it's quite amazing. Um, but-

[32:26] Speaker 2: Gotta see to Molly because I'll be right back.

[32:28] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.

[32:29] Speaker 6: Rob, how would that have been, do you think, with your daughter? With the... if you had an AI conversation? Same feelings?

[32:38] Speaker 3: No, I, yeah. I, yeah, I, I, uh, I would've-

[32:42] Speaker 6: I think you're more upset, right? Like, (laughs) I want, I want the real thing. I don't want make-believe.

[32:49] Speaker 3: I know. It's sort of like, you know, when people tell you, when people used to say to me, "Well, you know, um, you know, she will always exist in your heart," that wasn't enough for me. I don't want her to exist in my heart.

[33:03] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[33:03] Speaker 3: I want her to exist. I wanna know she exists, period.

[33:05] Speaker 6: Right.

[33:06] Speaker 5: Exactly.

[33:06] Speaker 3: Not in my heart, you know. So I, I never found-

[33:08] Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.

[33:08] Speaker 3: I never found that helpful either. But, um-

[33:12] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[33:12] Speaker 3: ... I could see where some people, you know, uh, they could, could have deep emotions, and especially if it sounds like them and it's, and they say things that your loved one might say, you know.

[33:23] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[33:23] Speaker 5: Well, you know, it's... When... What jumps to mind for me is, you know, when they do experiments with the groups and then, you know, one group gets the, the medicine and the other group gets a placebo.

[33:35] Speaker 3: Right.

[33:35] Speaker 5: And sometimes the people with the placebos get, uh, much, feeling much better. So, I, I think the, this AI experiment here is a placebo.

[33:47] Speaker 3: Right.

[33:47] Speaker 5: But if it works, it works.

[33:50] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.

[33:51] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[33:52] Speaker 3: I, I can't argue with that. Um, we have a question. Uh, have mediums ever brought through deceased entities that were never human, like extraterrestrials? Um, to us.

[34:08] Speaker 2: Ooh.

[34:08] Speaker 3: Um, not that I-

[34:08] Speaker 6: How would they describe that? Yeah, what do you think they would say? Because obviously no one in the room, or the sitter, if it's one person, could identify them unless they've been visited by an alien, maybe.

[34:23] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[34:23] Speaker 5: Well, let's, let's, well, let's back up a little because when you say did they ever get visited by somebody who's non-human, pets do come through. So dogs-

[34:33] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[34:33] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[34:33] Speaker 5: ... and cats will come through. So-

[34:35] Speaker 3: Right.

[34:36] Speaker 5: ... if there's an alien who wants to talk to you, the, the trouble is, with m- mediumship, the idea is to produce evidence.

[34:45] Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.

[34:45] Speaker 5: Is to produce something that the spirit will show you something that only you know or only they know and could possibly know. So what's an alien gonna do that would make you think, "Oh, it's definitely an alien"?

[34:59] Speaker 2: That's-

[34:59] Speaker 5: 'Cause you have no points of reference.

[35:01] Speaker 6: That's-

[35:02] Speaker 3: That's true.

[35:03] Speaker 5: Right.

[35:03] Speaker 3: And, and that may be a reason why they wouldn't come through 'cause they're smart enough to know-

[35:08] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[35:08] Speaker 3: ... why, why am I wasting my time? You know what I'm saying?

[35:10] Speaker 5: (laughs)

[35:11] Speaker 3: Unless it's somebody like me who, who I am an alien-

[35:15] Speaker 5: Actually, that's right.

[35:16] Speaker 3: ... so I, I might, I might understand. Could've been one of my alien ............................

[35:18] Speaker 5: Or if you were abducted, you know, and, and probed and all that, when... And, and this, this creature comes through and says, "Oh, remember that, uh, that cold rod that, uh, that ..........................?" Oh, that was you, huh? (laughs)

[35:34] Speaker 3: (laughs) Yeah, I thought it was Tom. (laughs)

[35:40] Speaker 5: (laughs)

[35:40] Speaker 3: The, uh, we have a question. Do, do people worry about losing their faith at the moment of death?

[35:48] Speaker 6: I feel like I've heard that. You know, they're, well-

[35:51] Speaker 3: No, go for it.

[35:51] Speaker 6: Like they've believed in God your whole li- and I'm religious, so I, I'm probably not the wrong person to ask, but I've heard that, where you've believed your whole life strongly in God, but, but when you know it's the end for you, the end of the physical world, you start to wonder, "Am I really? Is it... Am I really going to meet Jesus and is it really gonna be heaven-like?" I think they might, but I don't know. What do you think?

[36:20] Speaker 5: Well, th- you know, I think faith is based on a, uh, acceptance of something unknown.And at the moment of death, when you all of a sudden know, yeah, I guess you lose your faith because you don't have to have faith that it exists. You'll know what exists at that point. You have the knowing. So, I, I, I'm not happy with that answer, but, uh...

[36:45] Speaker 6: (laughs)

[36:45] Speaker 2: (laughs) Well, my, my father was, uh, uh, had a deep faith and, um, um, he was a professor of philosophy and, and theology was his second interest and, and, um, he, um-

[36:59] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[37:00] Speaker 2: He wrote a poem, uh, which I always appreciated and that was about having, having exactly what you're saying, the, that, that, that at the last second would his faith fall from him.

[37:18] Speaker 6: Aw.

[37:18] Speaker 5: Hm.

[37:19] Speaker 2: And, um, and it, it, and I, I mean, I, I felt sorry for him to have had even a doubt as ... even a, a, a, a speck of doubt, uh, that, uh, that that might, that might be the case. But again, he was a deep thinker. He, you know, he, uh, his ... He knew that living a good life was a r- a reward in itself and being kind to people-

[37:48] Speaker 5: True.

[37:48] Speaker 2: ... and good to people and, and, and, uh, and, uh, and that, uh, perhaps, you know, it didn't matter what would happen. But it, but there was something in him that made him, um, made him feel that perhaps it does matter when you die, whether you're going to hold onto that, um, what, what you, what you've been used to. Uh, we were talking about that earlier, about my own beliefs and, and, and, and whether you see th- the religious fe-

[38:23] Speaker 6: Oh, yes.

[38:24] Speaker 2: ... you know, uh, uh, person, uh, in your, in your afterlife. Um, so I, I think he, it, it was maybe just a, a, a, a question. It wasn't, it wasn't a concern, but it was ... I f- I found it to be an interesting question.

[38:41] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[38:42] Speaker 6: Yes. ?

[38:42] Speaker 5: I also feel that in my life, I have fa- I have faith that our consciousness survives and that there'll be a wonderful, uh, uh, experience when I do cross over. That's my faith. So at the point of death, I'm not gonna lose my faith. I'm gonna have my faith verified and, and actually increase my faith in that.

[39:08] Speaker 3: Yeah. I was, I was just gonna say something very similar in that I do- I don't think about losing faith in a religious sense, you know. Uh, um, I think about losing faith that I'm gonna continue on. You know, like-

[39:22] Speaker 5: Right.

[39:23] Speaker 3: ... I spent the last 20 some odd years talking about evidence that we do.

[39:27] Speaker 5: Exactly. (laughs)

[39:28] Speaker 3: And at that moment, you know, where it's shit or get off the pot, you know-

[39:32] Speaker 5: Oops.

[39:32] Speaker 3: ... am I gonna, am I gonna falter here? You know, it's like-

[39:34] Speaker 5: (laughs)

[39:34] Speaker 3: ... you know? So like, you know. So I don't think so, but that's, that, that's the only thing that I contemplated, you know?

[39:41] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[39:42] Speaker 5: You have to come back for a Signs of Life radio show and say, "I'm sorry, guys." (laughs) "We got it all wrong."

[39:51] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[39:52] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[39:53] Speaker 5: (laughs)

[39:53] Speaker 2: Well, not from the evidence that I've, I've heard, um, from many, many sources now.

[40:01] Speaker 6: I agree.

[40:02] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[40:02] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[40:04] Speaker 3: Uh, you know, uh, uh, here's a question. What is the actual process of dying like? Is it the same for everyone? Like, in other words, do you, do you go to the next life immediately or is a, a process that takes some time as we know it?

[40:22] Speaker 6: You know, weren't you just commenting on something like that and I equated it back to that book we talk about, Testimony of Light? Where light or life? Testimony of-

[40:32] Speaker 5: Light.

[40:34] Speaker 6: Light. The light, G-H-T. And it was almost like a baby being born and you sort of awaken into a world and start to take it in, but fall right to sleep or a sleep-like state and over time, the, that repeats itself as you take in your surroundings and start to assimilate with this new world and other entities are there. So what ... I would guess that would be after the initial greeting of a loved one because we've heard that so many times that someone was there to greet you, but maybe comfort you. Like a newborn baby wouldn't just be left alone entirely in an empty space, but others would be around overseeing the care. And I feel like it would be like that, overseeing you as you adjust to this new spiritual realm.

[41:33] Speaker 5: Yeah, and I, uh, uh, you know, I interpret that question sort of in the back of my mind that they're wondering is there a purgatory that you have to go through before you get to the great reward?

[41:44] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[41:45] Speaker 2: Oh.

[41:45] Speaker 5: And, uh, and that depends on the life you live. I mean, as far as does everybody experience the same thing when they die? Yes. When you die, you're greeted by familiar spirits, loved ones, guides, that sort of thing. Everybody gets that. Everybody gets that. But if you've lived ... and then the first thing that happens is you get the life review and the life review is a self-judgmental. It's not like you're sitting in front of a row of judges. You're, you're seeing it yourself and what you're feeling is any pain that you inflicted in your lifetime on other people. You feel their pain-... in your life review. And if it's a lot of pain that you, you need to deal with that. And as Melissa said in Testimony In Life, they talk about that some people need a lot of help with dealing with the life that they lived. And, and a lot of the times, that results in you gotta go back. You didn't learn what you were supposed to learn. You didn't do what you were supposed to do.

[42:54] Speaker 5: You're going back to that, uh, that wonderful place we call Earth.

[42:59] Speaker 6: In the form of reincarnation.

[43:01] Speaker 5: Exactly.

[43:01] Speaker 6: And maybe-

[43:02] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[43:02] Speaker 6: ... not immediately. Well, time is no, there's no time. (laughs)

[43:05] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[43:06] Speaker 6: So it might be immediate-

[43:07] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[43:07] Speaker 6: ... in that realm.

[43:10] Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, every, like you said, there, there, all, everything happens at once, so it's, uh, you can't even put it in terms of time.

[43:17] Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, I think-

[43:17] Speaker 6: You know, and I, and, uh, uh, uh, Bob, I, I, after you're done commenting, I wanted to read and get your opinion about something similar, so I don't wanna interrupt you at the moment.

[43:28] Speaker 3: No, I was just gonna say that, that, that-

[43:30] Speaker 6: No, I was just gonna say-

[43:31] Speaker 3: ... uh, you know, the, the, the process, you know, w- after-

[43:34] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[43:35] Speaker 3: ... the soul leaves the body, I mean, a lot of experie- near-death experiences talk about, uh, y- you've hea- everybody has heard about talking in a, uh, about being in a tunnel-like tube, um, and there's quite a bit of darkness. And I think at the beginning, they say they're, well, not really quite sure what's happening. Um, and then, you know, eventually off in the distance, they'll see a dim light as they're hurtling at high rates of speed-

[44:06] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[44:06] Speaker 3: ... through this tunnel, and, um, eventually come out on the other side where there're not only a bright light, but they're surrounded and immersed in this light that they describe as, you know, as love. Um-

[44:20] Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.

[44:21] Speaker 3: So I, I think, I don't think the process of getting from one dimension to the next, um, takes a lot of time as we know it. But once there, as you both alluded to, um, you may need help. I mean, what if you were a, a, a, a person, you know, in the physical life who had a, a, a lot of addictions, you know, or you were extremely attached to the material things, you know. They, you st- you're in the next realm, but you're, you have help, you know, to progress and shed those, those, those bonds, you know, so to speak.

[44:59] Speaker 3: So, um-

[45:00] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[45:01] Speaker 3: ... we'll find out. Um-

[45:03] Speaker 6: What I wanted to share, Bob-

[45:04] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[45:05] Speaker 6: ... was something I recently read, um, in a memoir, and it wasn't a, a memoir dealing with this topic. But the, the woman writing the book was talking about her fam- uh, the whole book was about her family, and her dad had passed away, and now her mother was soon to die, and her mom was in hospice, and this is what the author wrote about her mothers as she approached death. "She moaned loudly when she was unconscious. The hospice staff explained that when," oops, "that when people are dying with unresolved business, there is often an uncomfortable vocalization of their repentance, their misery, and they called it terminal anguish." Uh, have you ever... I, I don't like that. (laughs) I don't believe in that, but have you ever heard that, terminal anguish?

[46:06] Speaker 3: No, I haven't. Um, and look, you know if you've ever sat with a dying person, there's all sorts of horrible sounds that-

[46:14] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[46:14] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[46:14] Speaker 3: ... yeah, that happen, and, uh, I think that's just a, uh, a physical, um, effect of the body dying. But no, I, I don't think that... You know, if the, if they're gonna have all these unresolved things, they're not gonna contemplate that until they-

[46:34] Speaker 6: Their life review.

[46:36] Speaker 3: Yeah, until they, they, they cross, you know, so-

[46:38] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[46:39] Speaker 3: ... unless they, the soul has already left the body. So no, I never heard of that. I don't personally-

[46:44] Speaker 6: No.

[46:44] Speaker 3: ... believe it, but-

[46:44] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[46:45] Speaker 3: ... yeah.

[46:46] Speaker 6: Well, good. I'm glad I brought it up. (laughs)

[46:49] Speaker 3: Yeah. Um, so, so here, here's the question. Do earthly passions carry over to the afterlife?

[46:58] Speaker 5: Hmm.

[46:59] Speaker 6: What kind of passions?

[46:59] Speaker 5: Earthly passions.

[47:01] Speaker 3: Well, earthly passions, you know.

[47:03] Speaker 5: (laughs)

[47:03] Speaker 6: Well, um-

[47:04] Speaker 3: Um-

[47:04] Speaker 6: ... could you say more about that? (laughs)

[47:06] Speaker 5: (laughs)

[47:07] Speaker 3: Um, you know, I, I don't like where your mind is going, but, uh-

[47:10] Speaker 5: (laughs) Well, just an example.

[47:13] Speaker 3: Uh-huh. You know-

[47:13] Speaker 5: (laughs)

[47:17] Speaker 3: (laughs) I will, um- the, the terrible influences.

[47:20] Speaker 6: Terrible, terrible.

[47:21] Speaker 3: Well, listen. People that have a passion for music and, and art and, and, and, and, and-

[47:26] Speaker 5: Oh, there you go.

[47:27] Speaker 3: ... you know, whatever. Uh, certainly not only does it carry over, but y- y- you use those passions to help other people, right?

[47:36] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[47:36] Speaker 3: And influence other people. So, um, (laughs) I, I don't know where else to-

[47:45] Speaker 6: Can you, what's your train of thought?

[47:45] Speaker 3: I don't know where else to go with that, but, um-

[47:46] Speaker 6: I would hope so because-

[47:48] Speaker 5: That's-

[47:48] Speaker 6: ... because it, like you mentioned music. Music is a universal language, and, uh, and there is such beauty in so much of it, and, um, I, I y- I hope that it continues. I hope that, um... And art and, um, uh, cre- creativity, uh, it just, to me, creativity is, is something that is not unlike, uh, spirituality. You can't quite put your hand, f- finger on it, but, but-

[48:18] Speaker 5: Right.

[48:18] Speaker 6: ... it's there, and it's, um, it, it, it, it's, it, it's expressed by so many so beautifully. And I, I, I can't imagine that that would die. I, I, I think that it, it must go into another realm, uh, uh, with you.

[48:37] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[48:37] Speaker 6: And I, well I, at least I hope.

[48:39] Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and you know-

[48:41] Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know I'm, I've, I've read about-... on the, uh, in the spiritual realm, that there are what are called soul groups that, as you mentioned, musicians will find themselves in a s- in a spiritual group of other musicians, scientists in a group of other scientists, so that's certainly a survival of the, the passion-

[49:04] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[49:04] Speaker 5: ... that you h- carried in life.

[49:05] Speaker 6: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

[49:06] Speaker 3: I, w- we had another similar question, you know, from, from Tim, and he said, "Prior to passing, many people derive pleasure from doing physical things. A dancer finds pleasure in moving his or her body. Singing, especially if one is doing it correctly, can be very physical. An athlete can get pleasure from throwing a ball or running fast. Are these pleasures to be found in the afterlife, or is everything there just mental?" Um, well, everything there is thought, but we believe-

[49:39] Speaker 6: Hmm.

[49:41] Speaker 3: ... that while we're there, we can manifest those thoughts to simulate doing physical things, so yes.

[49:49] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[49:49] Speaker 3: Y- you can play ball, you know, uh, you know, in the afterlife. I mean, um, and it will seem as real to you or realer than when you were playing ball in the physical world-

[50:01] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

[50:02] Speaker 3: ... just in a different sense, you know? So, uh-

[50:06] Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.

[50:06] Speaker 3: ... w-we, people talk about, you know, in, in these, these channeled reports about, uh, manifesting homes and schools of learning and, and, uh, museums and, you know, and, and, and so forth. So, um, but it i- it is a realm of, of thought. Everything is a construct of, of thought, of consciousness, so there, you know, are those buildings made of stone? You know, no, but it appears to be w- when you're immersed in it, you know?

[50:38] Speaker 3: It's a hard concept to grasp, but, uh-

[50:40] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[50:41] Speaker 3: ... but I think that, I think that's the way it is.

[50:44] Speaker 6: I know we don't have much more time, but you're making me think now, um, and, and you can correct me if I'm wrong. I mean, Tom's an incredibly talented musician and can create songs fully blown, and I, you know, I'm amazed. But I'm, I'm, I think, a visual thinker, and I can describe something to Tom, like just re- renovating our home, and I can totally envision, fully blown, the renovations I want to have happen, and then we make it happen with the talented people that can do that sort of thing. But Tom will tell me often, "Oh, I, I, I didn't really see how that was gonna turn out," until it's there. So, it's a kind of a different sort of thing, because he can create music out of everything that's in your head, and I, and I can't do that, but I can, you know, it, totally envision something solid that I want to have happen or think about a, a recipe that I wanna make and know what, how I want it to turn out, so I know what to do about that. So, what is that?

[51:55] Speaker 3: W- w- well, w- we're all unique beings, you know?

[51:57] Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.

[51:57] Speaker 3: We all have different abilities, and, and our brains work differently, you know? Uh, it's, it's the same thing. We, you two concep- conceptualize things in different ways, you know? I can-

[52:09] Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.

[52:09] Speaker 3: ... I have absolutely no sense of direction, you know? I, I, I, I'm terrible at geometric reasoning, you know? But I could do s- the timed spelling bee in 10 minutes, you know? (laughs)

[52:22] Speaker 6: (laughs)

[52:23] Speaker 3: My, uh, my brain just works differently than, than-

[52:26] Speaker 6: Yeah.

[52:26] Speaker 5: Well...

[52:26] Speaker 3: ... than, than other people, so, um, so I, I... Don't be down on yourself b- for that, yeah. (laughs)

[52:35] Speaker 5: (laughs)

[52:36] Speaker 6: (laughs)

[52:37] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[52:37] Speaker 6: Which one-

[52:37] Speaker 5: Good advice.

[52:37] Speaker 6: Which one of us?

[52:37] Speaker 5: That goes for everybody. (laughs)

[52:40] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[52:40] Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah. Thank you.

[52:42] Speaker 3: Well, um, yeah. W- we've got, uh, you know, just about a minute left. We've got, well, incidentally, somebody, uh, last week at our last show was asking for the name of the, of the global peace prayer. Um, and I sent them a copy of it, and the name of it is Global Peace Prayer, so (laughs) , you know, and that was, you know, if you recall, Claude Swanson believed that, you know, we could change our world if e- by everybody focusing, preferably at the same time, on one thing, like the Global Consciousness, uh, Project.

[53:18] Speaker 3: So he used to post this prayer, and people used to tune in around the globe, and it said, "Let us, as one consciousness, give our energy of loving thought by praying like this: to love one another, to treat others as we would like to be treated, to forgive others, and return love for hate, kindness for anger, to spread this feeling to everyone, to our fellow man, as well as the Earth and its environment."

[53:47] Speaker 6: And that makes me wanna remind everyone that our loved ones are only a heartbeat away.

[53:54] Speaker 5: And science is going to accept it.

[53:57] Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.

[53:59] Speaker 3: Thank you, and good night, everyone.

[54:00] Speaker 6: I agree. Good night.

[54:02] Speaker 5: Good night. (laughs)

[54:02] Speaker 6: Good night. Wonderful to see you. Wonderful to see you. Thank you. (instrumental music)