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Have I got a show for you this time around?
We're going to go all the way from talking about artificial intelligence and the future
and what it means to you and me and our daily lives.
We're going to be talking about vitamins and minerals and things that will keep you
healthier, happy, you know, live long and prosper type of thing.
Remember from Star Trek.
We'll also talk about the hidden power in your DNA.
Do we have hidden power in our DNA?
And if we do, what exactly does that mean and how will it affect us and how can we use
it and get to it?
But before we do that, I've always been fascinated, absolutely fascinated with anything that has
to do with Native American, you know, the teachings, the way that they believe.
And it's not only a religion.
It's a life.
It's a life and a lifestyle.
But what does that mean?
Are there some teachings and secrets that we all need to know?
Well, let's find out.
You know, we talk about the Andes and the word mystical arises.
But why?
And what does this word actually mean?
We're going to check in with Martha Winona Travers, he's author of Encounters with the
Mystical Traditions of the Andes.
Now, Dr. Travers has researched and studied with the indigenous Kichwa in the Andes and
their elder Taita Alderto Taxo for 22 years.
It's about shamanic teachings of the Condor.
We'll find out what that means too.
Hi, Martha.
How are you?
Hi, Mary.
Good to…
You're putting me.
I'm doing well.
Absolutely.
Define the word mystical.
That's thrown around a lot.
So what does it really mean?
Well, it's a beautiful word and it's true that we hear it and we may wonder about how
to define it.
To some degree, I think it depends on the individual person's experience.
So it may have more than one definition depending on the person.
And in my way of understanding, a mystical experience is when we transcend our feeling
of being an individual personality with certain projects and ego desires and peers and move
out of that state into a feeling of communion and union with the great beautiful forces
that are the creators of our world.
Wow.
So a mystical experience, the word yoga means union.
And a mystical experience is uniting with the large cosmic path that is the path of
every individual but that our human mind can tend to cause us to not be aware of or to
forget during certain periods of time.
Is it also a problem because we don't open ourselves up to the possibilities?
You know, we get, it's almost like when we're little kids, we have those friends that we
talk to and they go, oh, you know, those aren't real.
Those aren't real.
We don't know that that's not real.
And then we grow up and it's like, you've got to forget about those things.
You don't talk about that anymore because you have to be logical.
You have to be educated and that's not part of that.
So Cam, how do we get back to that?
You know, being the child that says, yeah, I'm open to anything.
Yeah.
Well, what you describe is very true for many people and my teacher, Tyta Alberto Toxo,
would refer to that as the world of the eagle, E-A-G-L-E, eagle, the bird, the eagle, which
prioritizes the intellect and reason, which are extremely important faculties.
So there was never any denigration in the way that he would speak of those faculties.
But he would remind us that we've forgotten what he and his tradition calls the world
of the Condor, which is the world of intuition, the world of the ability to sense that there
are other dimensions of reality beyond what we perceive with our five senses.
And the world of the Condor is also associated with the heart, whereas the world of the eagle
is associated with the mind.
And these ancient, ancient teachings that come from Tyta Alberto's ancestors, thousands of
years old, the prophecies are that a time will come when the mind and the heart, the
world of the eagle and the world of the Condor, will be united and the eagle and the Condor
will fly in the same sky, meaning that we as human beings will have both of those faculties
working in harmony with each other.
And that is part of the process that all human beings at this time are undergoing, experiencing
in various ways in their personal lives, being challenged by problems that require that they
use their intellect, that they use their reason, but that they also use their capacity to feel
to intuit, to sense and to have compassion so that we feel our union with each other as
we are addressing the challenges that we see.
That almost seems impossible, Martha, with what the world is going through right now,
to come together and be as one.
We're so divided and so much hate out there.
How, when are we going to make that change?
You know, one of the things that Alberto would say is that we hear in the news and we hear
in certain places one story about the nature of what's happening, but that if we go into
our own individual lives and into our individual communities, especially if we connect with
nature, which is the deep teaching of his past, that we discover that the individual
human beings primarily care about taking care of each other and that desire to protect each
other and to keep each other safe is central to the human experience.
So, even though we are certainly, as you say, in a time where we are experiencing a great
deal of polarizing and a great deal of conflict, if we look deeper at what's happening, we
can see that these individual people, many of them who are in conflict, are in the conflict
because of the story that they're telling about the nature of reality and also because
they are trying to protect something and take care of something.
So, we all need to be able to access that place in ourself, the heart, the intuition,
that can sense our connection with other people and find out where is the common ground, what
is it that we are trying to preserve, that we are trying to care for in these times?
And it's really important to remember that to look at the large span of human history
and to remember that we are moving through various phases and that if we stand back and
look at the larger picture, we can see an overall transformative process that is underway and
we're in the middle of that, we're not at the end of the story and so that is part of
the importance of working with ourselves individually to heal what needs to be healed
inside of ourselves, the divisions that we have in our own personality so that we can
contribute in a positive way.
But from the beginning of time, Martha, we've always been at war.
People, there's always someone who wants the power.
I always say money and power, power and money is all interchangeable but it's the power
thing.
I don't care if you call it religion, I don't call it therapy, you call it politics.
Whatever the name is, it's always wanting to take over and dominance over everyone else.
So it's been that way since the beginning of time.
How are you going to see change?
I understand why you say that but I don't think that it has been that way since the
beginning of time.
That's not the way I perceive it or understand it.
If we look at, for example, agricultural people and tribal people, the way that they
survived within their community was to share the good, was to share the work and this is
something in the Andes in my travels and I spent in many long periods of time living
with the indigenous Kichwa people in the Andes, being with them as they were going
about their daily activities and they were all communal activities, working in the fields,
preparing the food, the music, the singing, the dancing, the beauty that they were sharing
with each other.
To me that is what has made it possible for the human species to survive and to endure
these difficult periods where there is oppression and where there are individual people who
are attempting to, who are defining power as power over but of course we know from our
own experiences that true power comes from within and that true power is about working
together in community.
And so that to me is how the human species has survived.
But, but, but through sharing.
Agricultural, yes, there were communities that way and we did go through those periods.
But now we are into computers and artificial intelligence and we are not going to go back
to agriculture, I am not going to pick grapes for the rest of my life and trade with somebody
else.
We are past that, we are into a different phase now, so what do we do during this phase?
We are not going to be going back to trading anything anymore.
I teach at the University of Michigan, I teach contemplative studies and my students,
many of them come from the School of Natural Resources.
They are, there is a community garden on campus, a community farm where they are learning to
grow food and they share it in the dormitories.
The organic agriculture movement that really became activated in the late 1970s and 1980s
has grown to the extent that we have so much more access to organic food than we did in
the 1950s or 1960s when I was a child.
That fascination and that love with growing one's own food is very popular amongst the
young people that I work with.
And in the Andes and that my book describes my experiences there, in the Andes the people
are living in very, very ancient ways.
There is still, in some communities, I was in the rural areas and that is where these
techniques are still happening.
They are making their own clothing, beginning with the hair of the llama.
They raised the animal, they cut the hair, they cleaned the hair, they thin the hair into
thread, they weave it onto loom, the dyes are made from plants and insects, natural substances
that come from the earth.
And the practices that I describe in the book are practices of working wherever you are,
whether you are in the city or in the country with nature, the elements of the earth, the
water, the fire and the air, which we have with us every moment, whether we are indoors
or outdoors and beginning to re-access our communion with the natural world, of which
we are apart, human beings, our nature, we are not separate from nature.
So to use technology wisely, we need to understand whether or not it is going to do harm and
the heart is the place that is resonant with whether or not any choice that we make in
our lives is going to promote wellness and health and well-being for ourselves and others
or not.
So what my book describes...
Well, hold on, before you do that, this all sounds beautiful, it really does.
But I am in California, so we are the number five nation state in the world with agriculture
and all that kind of thing.
But doing these things of weaving and all that, it is wonderful for indigenous, indigenous
groups and isolated from a lot of the computers and the technology that we have.
Nobody is going to go back to that, not in mass.
Maybe small groups might do it.
Maybe your students at the University of Michigan, but I don't see that happening on
a major scale.
It doesn't need to happen on a major scale.
What we need each individual human being to connect with the source of their life, their
physical life, which is the air that we breathe, the food that we eat, the sunlight and the
water that we drink.
And those four elements, the earth, the water, the fire in the air, are the elements that
the elders in the Andes teach people who come from Europe and come from the United States
and from Canada, from industrialized cultures.
They teach individual people how to reconnect with those elements in order to vivify their
own energy, to activate within themselves that sense of harmony that creates lightness of
mind and happiness so that that will then be shared in whatever way they are living their
lives.
And I'm saying that we need to no longer use the intellect or reason or computers.
Taita Alberto would speak of the computer as also nature.
Everything that is part of the material world is nature.
And so the teaching is that we develop in ourselves the ability to again feel how to
walk our lives in a way that brings genuine happiness, not the feeling of excitation that
might come from quote, getting what we want in the individual moment, but that feeling
of expansion of self that comes through contemplative practices, that comes from being connected
with nature.
My students, we will spend half an hour outside sometimes in our classes.
And it's so wonderful, the way that they shift just in that half hour of being outdoors
without being assigned any kind of work, just to be there in a peaceful way and we're in
a sort of park like setting.
So it's quite beautiful.
And I'm sure that many people who are listening have had the experience of being quiet in
nature for even a short period of time and their mood shift.
So the teaching is not that we need to somehow transform the agriculture, everyone needs
to become a farmer or something like that.
It's that what can I do in my personal life, living the way that I live now?
What can I do to help reconnect me with the natural world so that I can participate in
the healing that needs to happen on the planet in order for the human species to survive?
But you know what?
The nature has been damaged.
The water is polluted, the air is bad, the land has been leached.
How do we go back to the nature when it's not a really good place to be?
The water knows how to heal itself, the land knows how to heal itself.
It's always quite surprising how quickly areas that have been damaged come back when they
are given an opportunity to come back.
And even in the cities where people are having gardens and growing their own food right in
their front yard, it's also alive.
Water is extremely powerful, way more powerful than human beings.
So it's not so severely damaged.
And again, we're in the middle of a phase.
I mean, look at that.
And honestly, Martha, you know, people won't say we don't have climate change.
We have climate change.
Look at the number of tornadoes that are happening and hurricanes and, you know, bad things.
And it's because we've gone away.
We've damaged mother nature.
Exactly.
It's because of emphasizing too much the mind at the expense of the intuition and
the heart.
And so the planet is responding to what human beings have.
I think the planet would be happy if we left.
I just let her go back to what it was before.
You know, you also mentioned this got my attention.
Dimensions of reality.
What do you mean by dimensions of reality?
Moving on, one example of the difference between what you and I are describing.
If a person is living in a city environment, I live in a rural environment.
I live in a city.
I live in a city.
So when I look out my window, I see beauty everywhere around me.
I hear the birds and the fresh air and the sunlight today.
It's been raining and that's beautiful too.
But today we have sunlight.
So I'm greeted by that every day.
That's one reality.
That's one way of perceiving.
Another way of perceiving might be a person who's living in an apartment.
Twenty stories up in the middle of a city where it's mostly cement.
If that's not to say that that would necessarily be bad.
It depends on how the person experiences that for themselves.
But those are examples of two different stories, two different realities.
So how do they come together?
You say we're supposed to come together.
How do you come together when you come from two different realities?
By sharing like you and I are right now, by describing each other's world and finding
common ground.
Mm.
Oftentimes children are common ground.
Yeah, but they're not in charge.
They're not in charge.
The common dads still conduct what's going to happen in their lives.
Yeah, what you sound telling me, it sounds beautiful.
Don't get me wrong.
It's just I just don't see us going back to that.
It's not about going back.
It's about going forward.
Alberto would always say, Adelante forward.
We cannot go back.
What we need to do is access an innate part of our being, which is the heart, which is
the intuition, which is the healthy bond with the natural world.
And as we access that, then our cities will become healthier places.
There will be more balance in the decisions that we make in the world.
The transformation that human beings will be creating in the world is only going to happen
if individual human beings change within themselves.
So we can't force other people to change.
We can't somehow tell everyone else how they should live their lives.
Each of us needs to access within ourselves.
What is my true path?
And the teachings in this book are about how to do that through connecting with the elements
of nature.
And you can do it in the city.
You don't have to be in a rural area to do it.
Got it.
Now, before you went into this and studied for 22 years in South America and all that,
how did it change you?
What were you before you started on this journey?
Well, I was a mother living in a rural setting, homeschooling my children, and growing food,
not that I was extremely successful.
If we had to live on the food that I grew, we wouldn't have survived for long.
But I was enjoying the experience of being with plants and with my children.
And I became interested in shamanism.
I had various mystical experiences, like I mentioned at the beginning of our conversation,
experiences where I really felt one with the natural world about me.
And through a series of unexpected circumstances, I was invited to a gathering of shamans that
John Perkins, who is the founder of Dream Change, brought to Michigan.
And that is where I met Taita Aldarto, who then invited me and a group of other people
to come to Ecuador to live with his family and begin to learn their ancient teachings.
And so I would say that it didn't change me in a certain way because I was already on
that path.
But what it did do is it affirmed what I was experiencing in a solitary way.
It brought me into a community where people were living in that joyful way that came
about as a result of the practices that they do just naturally.
How many children do you have?
How many children do you have?
I'm sorry, what?
How many children do you have?
I have two children.
What are they doing?
Two boys.
What are they doing?
What are they doing?
One of them is a massage therapist and the other one is in heating and air conditioning.
Okay.
Are they doing any training or agriculture?
One of my sons does, yes.
Okay.
Because I was going to say...
To gardening, you know, growing basil and tomatoes, he loves to cook and so he uses
them in his cooking.
Okay.
I understand that.
Just looking at your own children are still not quite doing what you're doing, but you're
saying that it's okay because they're still managing to be with other...
I'm trying to get the concept of everybody coming together and agreeing on something,
but I don't think that's ever going to happen.
So my feeling about our children is that...
And I feel this with everyone, everyone has their own path.
Okay.
It's not, in my view, the way forward is not to do something cookie cutter and expect one's
children to live the way one does.
Okay.
But it is to simply live one's own path to the best of one's ability to continually be
growing and learning.
We meet challenges, all of us in our lives, that no matter what our spiritual training
is, we have to learn more in order to work with that challenge that has come to us.
And so to me, each person has a spiritual path and on their path, they're going to meet
certain challenges.
And those challenges then will call them to access their own resources of understanding
to use their intellect, to use their reason, and also to use the heart, the intuition
and compassion.
And it doesn't matter to me what field of work a person is in.
It is how they experience themselves and give to the world no matter what type of work
they are doing.
Gotcha.
So it can be something as simple as walking down the sidewalk and seeing a person and
smiling.
Gotcha.
That's a stranger.
Now, before we've kind of run out of time, I'm so sorry, but we've run out of time,
but do you have a website?
I do.
It's natureandhealing.org.
Natureandhealing.org.
And your book encounters with the mystical traditions of the Andes available.
The title is shamanic teachings of the condor.
Oh, it's okay, great.
Yeah.
And then encounters with the mystical traditions of the Andes is the subtitle.
Oh, good.
Okay.
So where do they get that?
It's available in bookstores, Amazon.
Inter traditions is the publisher.
And they've made it available in all the typical ways that books are available.
Terrific.
I want to thank you so much for taking the time to be with us, Martha.
Keep up the good work because we need all the help we can get.
Thank you, Mary.
I appreciate you giving me the time.
Absolutely.
Take care now.
Okay, you too.
Bye-bye.
Bye-bye.
Once again, that's Martha Winona Travers and it's shamanic teachings of the condor.
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Fantastic.
Okay.
You say the two most important days in our lives, the day you're born and the day we
found out, find out why.
That sometimes can take a long time.
It can take a long time if we are not awake.
It really can.
Oh, we're not awake.
How am I supposed to get awake?
You know, it's really about understanding that there is a very much bigger version of
you.
And you know, we all do know that.
If you watch people who go to all of these different comic cards or they really into
the Star Wars, they know that there's a hero inside and they know that there's a
superpower or a hero inside.
They've just got to find it.
And I think it's not falling asleep on the job.
Okay.
Well, yeah, but what worries me is that they're taking on a another person's power when they
go to these comic-ons and everything like no, Captain America and all these others, instead
of finding their own power.
Yeah, they're wishing it was them.
In other words, their in search of something, they know that there's something.
And so when they do that, it's how do I get into my skin that is like this?
So yeah, they dress up as a different people.
But really, I'll tell you what, what, a star that's trained and fought for me a whole lot.
So was that Disney?
And this was last year.
Yeah, was it Disney last year?
And we were watching Fantastic.
And for those people who haven't been there, what happens is Mickey fights the bad guy
and Mickey wins.
And I will tell you that right at the end of it, it's so interesting to watch.
Everybody in the arena stood up and cheered.
And one of the people, as we were going out, I heard someone say, I wish it was really
that way.
And I thought, oh my goodness, it really is that way.
You are those superheroes.
We've just forgotten a little.
Well what do you mean by a superhero?
I mean, I can't put a cape on.
So tell me what I can do.
No, but tell me what you can do.
You know that you're a kind person.
Amplify the kindness.
If you're a happy person, what do people say about you?
What do they really think about you when they talk about you positively?
What do they say?
What do they remember you for or think about when they think about you?
That's a superhero piece.
And if we keep leaning into that, you suddenly find that what seems like just being nice
opens a whole lot of doors.
The door is to where?
The door is to wherever it is you want to go.
So here's the deal.
You've got it.
You want to have a purpose or a goal.
Sometimes finding the purpose is really hard, a goal.
That's so difficult.
So if you have a goal and you really keep leaning in towards that goal and you use your niceness,
your happiness, whatever it is, people are going to open doors for you.
They're going to say yes when you ask them, how do I learn about this?
They're going to say, they will open doors for you.
This is what Napoleon Hill is built on a bit, I think.
And these are what, who's the other one Bob Burt, the goal giver?
It's the same idea of give first thing, receive.
I use all of who you are and don't underestimate what you've got.
Okay, what was your goal?
Oh, I have many goals.
I still have many, many goals because as soon as I've finished one, I'm ready for the next
one.
What was my first goal was to teach at Disney World.
Actually, you know, before that I had another one.
I really, really wanted time-share at Disney because I've loved Disney since I was teeny
tiny and when I found out Disney had died, I asked who was going to make the magic and
everybody lost and I said, well, if you want, I will.
And magic has been with me and Disney all around me since then.
And I really wanted time-share so that I could take my family to Disney and be one of those
people who walked out of those gorgeous looking accommodations.
So I started looking at ways I could say for timeshare and I will tell you, there weren't
very many because we were new to the country and there weren't a lot of opportunities.
But I learned that by being kind, which is one of mine, and I learned that by being awake
and I'm my other big one which is, boy, did I learn persistence.
I learned that I could put a couple of pennies in a jar and those pennies became a couple
of dollars that then became a couple of hundred dollars and I own Disney timeshare.
You know, there's a very old musical, I think, called South Pacific.
Oh, yeah.
One of the tracks from that says, you've got to have a dream.
If you don't have a dream, how are you going to make a dream come true?
And that's where the superhero is.
The person who's making the dream come true and it takes time and it takes effort and
it's far nicer than sitting, getting nothing done in life.
Now you also say that you try to construct and use what you call a constellation to deliver
powerfully inside aha moments.
But if you never get that aha moment.
Well, I'm going to wait for somebody to not get it, but for my money, if you don't get
it, keep going.
At some point, relentlessly, it's going to be there, but you've got to be awake to it.
You know, let me give you a four example.
I had somebody who came in and said to me, I'm the CEO of the company.
No thanks to my jerk of a father.
And when somebody says that to me, I'm always curious.
So I said, all right, let's have a look.
Tell me about this jerk of a father.
And she said he left us on the side of the road when I was a baby of six months old.
He left my mother and my brother and I and I had two diapers and that was it.
Some kind stranger saw us and took us home and turns out mom wound up marrying the kind
of stranger who became a very successful businessman who then started a big business
that this stepdaughter of you then became a CEO of.
So she says, you see, no thanks to the jerk of a father.
And I said, every thanks to your jerk of a father.
And she said, how?
And I said, would you like to be back where you were in a trailer park with your mom struggling
and dad not having work?
And she said, well, no, I said, so thanks dad.
Thanks for putting us on the side of a road and letting us make our way because if you
hadn't, we wouldn't have had a way.
And so it's also learning to see that what we sometimes think are terrible things in
our lives are actually blessing.
Oh, okay.
So how does genealogy fit into this?
Oh, yes.
So genealogy.
We have genealogy 1.0, 2.0 and 3.0.
Oh, I'm going for the 3.0.
Go ahead.
Absolutely.
You're going to, but so let's go through them.
Genealogy 1.0.
We all know genealogy 1.0.
It's where you belong.
It's the family tree that you do and people are so intrigued by that there are over 100
million of them at the moment.
We want to know where we belong.
It's important.
We want to know how we're connected.
I don't mean to interrupt you, but I have to.
I don't care.
Okay.
I don't care why I pass.
I'm a new life.
I'm living my life the best that I can.
I want to move forward.
I don't want to look backward.
Well, sometimes it's quite wise to look backwards just for a little bit before you
move forward.
It doesn't mean that as we would say in South Africa that you're farming backward, you're
moving backward.
But yeah.
With genealogy 2.0, it's looking at what happened in my family system way back.
See, we're taking you even further back.
What happened in my family system all the way back there?
How far back?
How far back?
As far back as you can go, I mean, these days you spit in a bottle, you send it off, and
they say to you, okay, in your DNA it shows that you were in these states or you were
in these countries, original DNA that I had.
I did that.
I got to tell you, I did that.
My husband and I both did that.
But you know, they've got it broken down into so many countries.
I can't follow everybody.
Absolutely.
But here's what you can do.
So then we go and have a look at what are the big events that happened in those countries?
Oh, my poor country has got beaten up all the time.
There you go.
That's a very important one because the next thing to ask yourself is, okay, in a poor
country that got beaten up all the time, I'm guessing that's something like Poland or
one of those.
Romania.
Romania, there you go.
And then you want to ask yourself, what are the issues or the superstar moments or
super spaces that I have in my life?
What are those?
Because if I didn't have a look and match them to the country I came from, I have to
ask myself, so what super power did I get because of this?
Or what issue is trying to be resolved through me because of this?
Huh.
Okay.
Well, Romania was conquered by the Turks.
I mean, just over and over and over again because it was a small country.
So it has a rich background because of that, because of so many different countries taking
over.
But I still don't know how that ties into who I am.
Well who you are is a composite of all of that genealogy that echoes all the way down
to you.
Now, we've got physical DNA that's in this beautiful, here we go.
You've got brown hair, you've got blue eyes, you've got whatever you want.
You've got.
Yeah.
But what people don't understand is you also inherit emotional DNA.
And your emotional DNA is your pattern of thoughts, feelings, actions, inactions.
Now it can go two ways.
Either you repeat the pattern of those who came before you quite unknowingly, or you look
at the pattern of those who came before you and you go, you know what?
I need to do this differently.
And you see this a lot.
People watch a mother struggling because she's doing three jobs.
They watch a father who's dissatisfied with and without even knowing what we're doing,
we start to take on those attributes.
And then we wonder why they're there.
Hmm.
Okay, so how do I change that?
One, so there are couple of things.
First of all, you look at what it is and then you create a goal for yourself bigger than
where you are already.
In other words, I really want to, yeah, go get the Disney time share.
I mean, everybody lasted me when I said that.
I said, you're not going to do it.
No one's watching me.
So that's your first one.
So it's creating a goal that's bigger than your current circumstances.
Why?
Because otherwise you're not going to be inspired to get up off the task at all.
You're going to stay exactly where you were.
So you've got to have something that motivates you to do different, do better, or amplify
what's already there.
But you have to know what you're going for to begin with, don't you?
That's a really good idea, which is why when people say you should want less, like a little
concerned or a little baffled.
No, you shouldn't want less.
You should want more.
It's how the world evolves.
And interestingly enough, once we have more, what's the first thing that we do?
We want to share it with the ones that we love.
So having more is not about to make you a greedy piglet or any of the bad, terrible
things.
But what it does do is it keeps evolving humanity.
Huh.
Okay.
So where does one start?
I mean, yeah, I'm sitting here and I've been doing what I love my whole life.
So I'm not only using my...
Wait, that's a good thing.
Well, yeah.
Having accomplished everything that I want to accomplish, even though I'm old, but I figured
hey, no matter how long I'm on this planet or on this plane, I should say, I'm not giving
up.
I mean, I'm going to keep going and move forward.
But you know, again, you have to set a goal.
Let me ask you.
What was your ultimate goal besides the thing at Disney?
Did you have an ultimate goal?
My ultimate goal is, and is, not even was, is absolutely.
A thousand people at a time, which we're working on, thousand people at a time, at the event,
all waking up and going up there and making a huge difference in their lives and their
community.
Oh, come on.
That ultimate goal.
Do you really think you can change a thousand people?
I think a thousand people can change themselves.
If they want to.
If they're at an event, I'm assuming that they're not just because they thought it was that
they had nothing better to do on a Sunday afternoon.
Yeah, but they'd be curious.
They're there for curiosity too.
They might be, but I want to tell you, the events are not structured to invite curiosity.
They're there to invite investment in yourself.
So I would doubt they would just come for curiosity, but hey, if they come for curiosity,
they may find more than they bargained for.
Oh, okay.
You also talk about use a constellation.
What do you mean by a constellation?
Okay, so a constellation, I mean, this morning was lovely.
I had somebody say to me, are you an astrologer?
And I said, no, in this sense, a constellation is a grouping of elements in relation to
one another within a system.
In other words, members of the family within a family system, members of an organization,
that sort of thing.
Now, what we do that blows people's minds is people come in and they would, they say,
or they list the issues they want to work with.
And then what we do is we identify all the different parts of that issue.
And at an event, we use live representatives for each part.
What people haven't been taught or what most of us haven't been taught is that you can
dimensionalize what's in your head in front of you and get a really, really different
and in depth understanding of what you're dealing with.
And so that's what we do.
Each one of those represent a part of the puzzle.
And I then ask the client to sit that puzzle up the way that it feels or looks for them.
And immediately they do that.
You can begin to see who looks in, who looks out, who's interested, who's disinterested,
who is close to one person and further away from another.
And so using that, I begin to ask questions.
And as we do that, the hidden pattern surface, the unconscious loyalty surface, the hidden
language surfaces, so now people are seeing, hearing, seeing, feeling, touching what it
is that's depicting them every day.
And because of that multi-century engagement, they arrive at an aha moment for them.
And that's when they begin to rewire their brain.
And of course, then their lives change.
You know, I love what you're saying.
I mean, what you're saying sounds beautiful.
But it's almost kind of like if I were sitting home listening to this, I'd go, oh, this is one of those
woo-woo things.
You know, you know, and it's just like, that's not me.
I'm not a woo-woo person.
Why do you get them to believe?
I don't actually have to.
Normally when they come in, it takes me about maybe an hour of working and they get to see
it very quickly.
I'm super lucky because I do this work with Fortune 500 and Fortune 50 companies.
And they use this approach because they look at it and go, I can see that.
I can hear that.
This is logical.
Okay, it makes sense.
In fact, some of my best people are CFOs.
And a CFO is a very logical being.
They really don't tolerate woo-woo.
But all of the background-
Well, what's the heck are they looking for?
They're already making big bucks and they got a great title and live in the good life.
What else do they look for?
Okay, so first of all, when I work with CFOs, often it begins by working with what's a problem
for them in the organization.
Oh, okay.
So we look at what's a problem for you in the organization.
And that very quickly as they see it resolved in front of them, then they start to ask questions
about what hold on.
Who am I as a human being?
How do I evolve and we're off to the game?
Hmm.
Okay.
So yeah, it's very logical and very not.
Okay, yeah, a little bit of both, huh?
Yeah.
Okay, so most people want to be a superhero, but all they're trying to do is exist.
You know, they're trying to survive.
Put food on the table for their family.
Have a roof over their head once in a while, take a vacation or so.
How do you convince them that they can be better than that?
Not better, different.
Because you know, I don't want to say it's better.
If they're happy with what they're doing, why not?
You know, I remember when I was at university and it was like, excuse me, I'm being here
because I really want the education.
I love what I'm doing.
Yada, yada.
A lot of people are there because, well, I'm told that I have to have an education and
they'd probably make a better mechanic than they would having a degree.
So how do you get them to realize what they really want?
That takes a lot of good questioning and a lot of asking, what is your heart really
say?
Yeah.
If you could do anything, if you could be anything, I don't care how crazy it is, tell
me about it.
And in fact, the crazier the better because when you start talking crazy talk, it's usually
you talking the talk of your ancestors very often.
They thought they wishes.
I want to know what it is that you want.
And once you get the little fat and people begin to understand that, hey, I actually
ham do this.
I'm actually allowed to have what I want.
The socks come off.
Hmm.
Okay.
Because I think a lot of people do, you know, young people, their parents want better
for their children.
I understand that.
But, you know, I think sometimes parents live through their children and that's not healthy.
No, it really is not healthy.
But what it's also saying is, well, I haven't figured mine out.
Let's see if you can figure yours out so we can both at least enjoy something.
Or they'll try and say, this is what you should be doing because they didn't do it.
You know what I mean?
Exactly.
That bothers me.
That bothers me a lot because they couldn't accomplish it.
They're putting themselves through their kids.
And that's not fair because the kids should be choosing what they feel is right for them.
Yep.
And those, the kids who come and visit me and they go, really?
And we work through it and I say to them, okay, whose dream is this?
Yours or your mothers or your fathers?
And then they get this look on their face and they go, uh, yes, you're not living your
life.
You're busy living their life.
Stop.
Yeah.
Easy to say, but not that easy to do.
Actually, easy to do once you understand that that's what the family system really,
really wants.
It wants the evolution.
It wants the highest and greatest good.
And so every time one of us evolves or stretches or moves and grows a bit, you're never just
doing it for just you.
It's always about you and the family system.
Why should the family have anything to do with what I want?
Because you were born from it.
You're connected to it.
It will always be a part of you whether you would like that or not.
It's how you came to be.
Hmm.
Because I'll be honest with you.
Not that she wasn't proud of me after I did what I did, but my mom would have been happy
if I was a teacher with two and a half kids and living next door and going shopping with
her all the time.
Yeah, she would have.
And in the minute that you did what you did and the blinkers came off it would have been
well, oh my goodness, there's a whole lot more than the possible stuff.
I never knew.
Well, she was proud because of what I was doing, radio and television, and she could
brag to her friends.
But that didn't make a difference in what she wished that I had done.
You know what I mean?
I wonder.
I wonder if you could go back and say that to her.
She would say, I still wish you'd done what you did.
The fact that she was proud tells me that she looked at this kid and went, oh, she's
doing good stuff.
Well she was doing good stuff because she could brag about it.
That's not necessary.
And you know what?
If that's what your mom could do and she could have someone who really inspired her,
you did a darn good job.
Hmm.
I told you it's never just about you.
Yeah, that's true.
That's true.
Oh, okay.
We've only got about a couple of minutes left here.
How does one begin?
You have to sit down and evaluate who you are and where you are and where you want to
go.
That's a really good first step.
Who am I?
Where am I?
What do I want to do?
What does that look like?
And then you've got to listen to all of the excuses that you've brought out because we
all do that.
And then you've got to ask yourself, okay, if I keep with those excuses, which by the
way are usually really good and plausible excuses, where will I be in a year, two years,
five years, ten years time?
Well, I've done what I wanted to.
If not, why don't we sit down and go, so what is it that I want?
What do I want?
And then what are my thoughts about that?
What are my feelings about that?
What actions do I take or not take?
When did I notice that I wanted that?
What was happening in my life at the moment?
Got you.
Yeah, what do I make it mean about me and what do I make it mean about others?
Now do you have a website?
I do.
It's Judy Wilkins-Smith.com.
Okay, I have a Smith.com.
And the book, The Hidden Power in Your DNA Available Where?
All over.
All over.
Amazon, Barnes and Nobles, you name it.
You're there along with my other book, The Two of Them All, right out there ready to
go.
Well, hopefully we've given some hope to a few people out there that says, I got to
find my ah-ha woman.
All right, so important.
Terrific.
Judy, thank you so much for taking the time to be with us.
Keep up the good work because we've got a lot of stuff to do in this life and don't waste
the time, right?
Exactly.
Always a pleasure.
Pleasure to have you on.
Come back and visit again.
Love to.
Take good care.
You too.
Judy Wilkins-Smith, name of the book, The Hidden Power of Your DNA.
And we do have that power.
We're going to take a news break here and then after we've got more topics to talk
about like living long and prospering.
And what about artificial intelligence?
Is it going to take over our lives?
I hope not.
It's a tool that we don't want it to take over.
But after the news, I want to leave you with this thought though before we leave.
We all have two lives to live.
The second one starts when we realize that we only have one.
And that came from, believe it or not, Confucius.
And you know it makes perfect sense when you think about it.
Live the life the best you can.
That's what Judy says.
And find that ah-ha moment that will be special to you.
It's Pop Talk and we want to make sure that you can be a believer in yourself too.
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