Welcome to New Realities, I'm Alan Steinfeld.
I'm here with a panel of experts who are going to analyze,
including myself, the latest, probably the most anticipated
film of the last 100 years, maybe ever, disclosure day
by Steven Spielberg, just released.
We just saw the opening night showings,
and we have a lot to say, probably the good,
and maybe not so good points.
I'm here with Linda Multon Howe, one of the experts,
longtime veterans of the field, 50 years of investigations
into the phenomenon.
Three, four books out, glimpses of other realities, part one
and two.
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And earthfiles.com.
I'm also joined by two of my longtime colleagues,
Dr. J.J. Hertzak, who's one of the original investigators
along with J.I.N. Hanek, John Mack.
He's been all over the world investigating UFO artifacts
and philosophy and the spiritual connection there,
along with Dr. Desiree Hertzak, who's
been involved with this scene for many years.
We speak at many conferences, the three of us together.
And it's this new information, this new movie
by Steven Spielberg.
And I want to talk to you first.
This film is almost a fulfilling of some
of the predictions you wanted to see, like we're not alone.
How does this film hit you?
The first thing was how important frequencies are.
And I had read a government document probably 30 years
ago on my research of bloodless, tractless animal
mutilations, human abductions behind the scenes
in the government about frequencies in language,
but mind to mind.
And that in the movie, it was a surprise
to see that Steven Spielberg tried to reproduce the.
Very good.
You could have thought about that.
That was, and I have heard of Ducties tell me
that that's what they've heard, these clicking sounds.
And in the beginning of the film for the first half,
he was going over some new ground,
but a lot of older ground.
And I felt disappointed.
And then it hit in the middle of the film.
And it was as if we were finally being shown a true opening.
And by the time that we got into those last few minutes
of this brilliant film, it was empathy
that I was feeling not only for ETs,
but especially for Homo sapiens sapiens us,
because we have not been told the truth as a species ever.
It isn't just the government of the United States now.
And that right as we get into the middle of June 2026,
it feels like there really is now a possibility
that there's going to be more and more.
And if the government of the United States is smart,
they will take the key from Spielberg.
And they will start trying to unfold
representative documents.
Right.
I just want to say, it looks like Spielberg's been
a good student of the UFO UAP phenomena.
He's put a lot of aspects of that, including mind control,
government cover up.
We're going to talk about the relationship
between governments and private industries.
I'll get to that.
So Dr. Hertach, JJ, what did you think of the film?
Well, I was flabbergasted by the techniques
that Spielberg brought together regarding linguistics.
I will call a whole new level of consciousness communication
that was ignored in his first blockbuster film
on the subject, Close Encounters of the Third Kind,
where you had computerized music with tones,
quavers, semi-quavers, but not really the human element.
Here we have the human element.
This film could be entitled ET Frequency,
because he is bringing out really the background factor,
what I and John Mack, my colleague,
discovering we worked together in Africa with the indigenous.
It was the sounds, the clicking sounds,
going with what I would call a consciousness of music
that was so crucial for those who had authentic experiences
with the unknown.
Yeah, so what was one of the most important points, Desiree?
Well, I know some people are now writing,
but I think he just read the New York Times,
and he said, that was a great sign by film.
Well, of course, it's a story that Steven Spielberg
put together, but the information behind it,
whether it's the clicking sounds,
whether it's the consciousness, whether it's the cover up,
and whether it's the alien forms
that they are shown towards the end,
I won't say too much about the end of the story.
I think he did a great job of showing reality.
Right, this is not a science fiction movie, folks.
Spielberg took all of the information,
he said from what, close encounters,
what he hoped to be true, this stuff is true.
So a main part of the story, not to give too much away,
is that the government and private industries
are keeping the secret of this phenomenon from the people.
And one of the characters says,
no, the people have a right to know.
So Linda, you know the history of that joint venture
between private industries and government cover up.
So how does, I know it's true, but you've studied it.
So how do you explain it?
To me, there is no question that you have to go back
to World War II.
Eisenhower was president, and he was given a briefing
about the ETs.
There was no mystery with him and forestall and others.
They were, as the sentence was said to me,
World War II was an extraterrestrial war fought
through human bodies.
What does that have to do with government
and private industries?
I think Eisenhower saw the writing on the wall
that the only way they were gonna be able to contain
information about ETs that they didn't want the public to know,
which would mean they didn't want Russia to know,
they didn't want Germany to know.
And that's where they started isolating the people
who were working on actual UFOs, working on bodies,
and it was keeping it deep underground, all over.
As I understand, there are huge gigantic underground labs
in California, in Taos, New Mexico, other places,
where the government has been doing all
of the controlling of everything extraterrestrial
since World War II, and today, in a strange way,
the Spielberg film is like the first real step
to opening up the truth.
And then what happens when an entire civilization
of eight billion on a planet, rotating around the sun,
are finally told the truth.
My prayer has always been, we need to know the truth
in order to evolve, and let's hope and pray
that it's not going to incite more violence
in the Middle East and us, that this could be
the turning point.
Spielberg's film could be the turning point
of not just having only corporations and government offices
having access to the truth.
Well, it's quite emotional for me
when towards the end of the film, the whole world
starts to know this secret.
That was pretty amazing.
But you're going back to the corporations,
the term that was used by Spielberg
for the corporation is Wardex, and it has to do
with a retrieval and extraction program.
And of course, that goes back to also Philip Corzo,
who said the government had these programs,
but they also had to turn over the technology
to certain corporations.
Why?
Well, they did it because that way,
not only could the corporations do more with the economics,
but also so if anyone actually went after the government,
then in that case, the government says,
oh, I don't know, I'm not doing it.
So I think it's an interesting balance
of what goes on between corporations like Wardex
and the government itself.
And of course, in the end, this person,
who's one of the stars, has all the information
and he wants to make it public.
So, a possibility, this is the buzzword,
a plausible nibility by the government,
allows all of this to be done behind the scenes,
complete oblivious to politics.
And that's not science fiction.
That's really what's going on.
What are we going to say?
That's in Lieutenant Colonel Philip J. Corzo,
one of the most knowledgeable people
about UFOs and World War II.
He talked to me twice over a long,
like a period of four to five hours
when we did radio pieces together for coast to coast AM
and for other work that I was doing.
And when Philip J. Corzo looked at me in the eyes and said,
well, I've heard that you say that World War II
was an extraterrestrial war,
fought through human bodies.
Linda, it is the truth.
Wow, that's a lot.
Well, what was also beautiful about the film,
I mean, there's parts I didn't care
for all the chase scenes and all that,
but the beautiful part is that this is a contest
in a sense between those projecting fear
and hiding the truth and the messages from the E.T.s
that this is about empathy and love and transcendence.
Those are the two forces that are kind of battling each other
of which one's going to win out in the end.
And so that's where humanity is right now.
We're stuck between fear and love.
Let's say fear and higher consciousness
and all of us believe that the higher consciousness
is our destiny.
When this is the genius of Spielberg
to bring in also the Catholic sister
who understood that the act of creation
and what is called the body sheath or the book of Genesis,
God creates us as unique beings for this planet,
but of course is part of a much greater creation story.
So actually what she says is the universe is so vast
and I'm just paraphrasing it, it couldn't be just for us.
So I think it's a nice balance between talking
about corporations, government cover up
and also acknowledging that the Catholic Church
and other religious foundations really have a role to play
that Jesus maybe didn't fly in a flying saucer,
but there's other realities still available.
And what hit me was, why should we assume
that there could be only a Christ side or another side?
And right in the last two minutes of the film,
I began to have that pressure in my chest that you feel,
not because you're crying out of agony,
but because it's really hitting you and it was,
there is huge room for Christ and all entities
who actually are trying to teach homo sapien,
love and nonviolence.
And that to me was the strongest moment in this field.
And this is why the film could be considered
the evolution of consciousness
from homo sapien sapien to homo universalis.
And there's a manuscript also in all of this
that's so beautifully done.
And even the names used by the principal characters,
Jane Blankenship, one who has William empty mine
for the psychic phenomena of cyanics being used
to her body by principals behind the scenes
or for that matter, the hero and herself,
Margaret Perchile.
Perchile, yeah.
And of course I had two colleagues working at Perchile
industries back in the 60s and 70s
and they were knowledgeable of all planetary intelligence.
So there was a metaphor even to those
within the government's circle is to realize
this is on a high level of release
that Stephen Spielberg is being given
scenario abstracts to use at the end of his film
that are right on target.
And if I can also say, you know, really the main actor
and actress, you know, male and female.
And the male receives the science and the knowledge
of the, we'll say the left side of the brain
and the female receives the energy
that's connected with the loving, caring
and being able to sense others.
So in a sense, the right side of the brain.
So you have both aspects given to humanity
to be able to bring this information forward.
Well, also what's so important about this film
is that we're finally getting a truth.
Yes, it's through cinema, but the footage
that's released references all the major cases,
Roswell, Ketsburg, and it goes back
what you've always said, because we've been denied the truth,
we are an abused species.
Spielberg feels it.
He's been obsessed with UFOs.
I think personally he's an experience.
Since a child.
And I think he was an experience
that he talks about green lights as a child
in this little chamber.
So he is doing this film and showing it to the world
which everyone's gonna see that there is a truth,
a reality of this phenomenon,
that the government has been hiding the secret,
then we've been abused and we're not being abused
by those in control anymore.
One thing that surprised me because I thought
he could have taken this and run with it
and been absolutely the first.
And that is you and I and Desiree and JJ know
that there are at least a dozen different,
we'll call them descriptions of extraterrestrial,
biological entities, and some are AI.
And not biological.
But there is a large number.
And if Spielberg had opened up,
even if it had been with a government guy
sitting at a desk and saying,
here is a type that happened in Tennessee,
here is a type that happened.
It is the multiple numbers of different non-humans.
And I've had people draw and draw and draw in situations
where they were seeing a being
and they are so distinctly different.
They don't know each other.
It can be from somebody across the ocean in another world.
Why are we not being opened up at the same time
with others that have helped the government?
They have not heard, why can't we open up many?
I think he's taking us slowly.
Okay, let's recognize there's one ET species.
I mean, I'm just trying to use his logic.
And then from there, introduced by the way,
there's 10 or 20 or 80 or 85.
But to me, introduces at least two kinds.
See, the small grays, which were almost weak in a certain sense
and needed help at crash sites.
And the other, which we'll say for the future,
was more of a taller or robust, at least intelligent.
But Linda, you're saying,
why don't we get the whole truth right there?
Yes, because there are tall whites, there are nordics,
there are reptilians, there are a whole lot.
There's plasma beings, as David Gruster said last week.
So why aren't we getting that?
Because most people seeing this film
have never even heard the word disclosure.
I know my family does.
So let's introduce this to a worldwide population,
which is, I think, the importance of this film,
to say, yes, there's a reality here.
Yes, the government's been hiding it.
And yes, we are being visited,
and we need to integrate that reality
so we can expand what we think we are as human beings.
And there's a lot of ideas about telepathy
in this film, the ability of the human mind
to control circumstances.
That's a big part of this film.
Years ago, when I was working with the famous novelist,
Sydney Sheldon, astronaut Gordon Cooper,
and I were presenting information,
authentic information, which is, of course,
put into a science fiction modality.
But Sydney Sheldon was reluctant to go beyond
the extraterrestrial, to the ultra-trestology.
What's also interesting is the timing on this,
because, as many of you know who are watching this,
May 8th was the first formal government disclosure,
only half a step or a quarter of a step forward,
and then May 22nd.
And then actually yesterday, the exact same date,
which June 12th, when this film came out,
you now have a third phase.
Now, it's gonna be hopefully many, many more,
according to David Crutch.
Maybe another 16 to 90 days will have much more.
But the concept is that it's all happening now,
and it really is, again, I wanna say it again,
it's not science fiction.
This is real, those bodies are real, the entities are real.
That's what's so frustrating about the New York Times
review of this film.
Oh, Spielberg's made another science fiction movie,
isn't that true?
This is not science fiction.
This is truth, beyond science,
beyond the science that we have yet to know.
So, you know.
Well, why is the timing, actually, Linda?
Why do you feel this is happening now?
It's a really good question,
and I personally think it has to do
with what geophysically is in the future of our planet.
I think we're going to be one way or another.
We're going to be moving into a dangerous time.
There may be explosions on the sun.
There may be rising oceans at such a rate
that there will be lots and lots of flooding.
In many ways, that seems terrifying to a lot of people,
and yet, what if what is coming,
as Lou Elizondo said recently,
something big is coming?
Yeah.
What if it has to do with an evolution in our planet
in which the ETS must be introduced
in order to save humanity life on Earth?
Well, that's what Spielberg hints at,
that this is all under the control of these higher ETS forces,
the arrangement of these experiences in the film
coming forward, the activation of their higher consciousness,
they are following the higher orders,
which is maybe an answer to your question.
Why this is happening now?
Because there's a direction from the ETS to say, it's time.
No, I agree with that wholeheartedly,
and I have to say, I even teaching at the university,
when you have environmental crises,
you also end up with wars and violence.
So this is what I think the film was showing
in certain types of on the verge of major battles going on,
because if you don't have food,
if you are having crises.
So I agree that there is a ton,
something's going on on our planet for various reasons,
that is requiring this connection.
And we call it also not just disclosure day,
but graduation day.
Well, there also has to be a sociological awakening
to make this teaching relevant.
I remember 30 years ago, John Mack and I were centers,
at the first conference entitled,
when Cosmic Cultures Meet,
directed by CB Scott Jones,
who was with the American Intelligence Community.
And we, Dr. Mack and I presented evidence
of four different extraterrestrial races, actual pictures,
actually had a mannequin of one of the visitors,
but it didn't have any impact
because there was not the sociological interest.
So 30 years later, we have now the hearings
in Washington with you,
and we participated in.
We have, as it were, a conjunction of the sociological,
the psychological, economic,
and the planetary change that you,
Linda just hinted at.
So it's the larger matrix
of awakening the species in all levels.
That's why I agree with you.
This is a cultural phenomenon.
We need to integrate this awareness into the culture
in order for it to become real.
And Spielberg is making it so cinema,
it's still what some people might call fiction.
It's a reality that now people are integrating.
One more thing.
What he does so brilliantly at the end of the film,
he brings media, he brings television and technology
in as a final contributor to disclosure date
is the reality we live by.
And Spielberg institutes that in the film.
So are we seeing a film or are we seeing newsreels
is what I think he wants people to get.
And you get the feeling that what you're seeing
in those last three or four minutes is real.
And that he was given film, maybe by the government,
and it is used without raising up a flag saying,
this is real, but this is how close we are
to having this incredible story for thousands of years
finally opened on Earth.
And we agree wholeheartedly with what Linda just said
because what was shown at the very end of the film
were literally things that I believe are accurate.
Even if he had to remake them, he remade them accurately.
But the most interesting thing,
and you may have to watch it twice to catch this,
is that the reason why this information was released
was not because of just some guy
who had an interest in releasing it.
It was alien intelligence, they call him Bevo,
in Bevo 17 was one of them,
that was behind the slow pace and eventual push
to get this information out to the public.
So it was alien coordinated then by those in war decks
or the, we'll say the corporations government
that wanted to release it.
And coordinated by people on this side
have always been fighting for the truth.
This woman single-handedly has been out there,
no matter how life threatening, whatever, she has to end.
I want to say that the star of the show,
actually really to me, was a take off
on exactly Linda's life.
She was a reporter on TV channels,
exactly like this lady.
Could you relate to the woman in the film, Linda?
Not as much as I did to myself because
when I think back over the last half century,
half century ago, I was going out into pastures
in complete innocence and looking at animals
that had excisions of eer eye tongue jaw genitals
laying on ground, no blood and no tracks.
And one of the first that I saw was a 1700 pound steer
and there was dust all around the entire animal,
I was there with a sheriff.
And the sheriff looked at me and said,
how does this animal get here without its own tracks?
And that was it, this was the beginning.
That was a shock for you.
Yeah, law enforcement said,
Linda, you were one of the few who went to pathologists,
who went to chemists and when you started getting the data,
the story got stranger and stranger.
But does it mean that non-humans in this vast universe
want to do something badly to earth and to us?
No, I worked for up till now, it's been half a century.
On that story alone plus others and I'm still here.
And most of the ranchers that I did lots of interviews,
they're still here.
So taking out humanity is not the goal.
I personally am convinced that there is some kind of energy
on the part of other intelligences that want us
to finally start connecting with those words
in the ancient Protonolia.
There's a Coptic text.
Yeah, Coptic text, you can take over,
but it is May the thought that dwells in the light
for us, for ETS, throughout all of infinity,
may it protect us forever.
Well said, this is the great time we're living in
to discover these ancient Greek and Coptic texts
that speak of higher vibratory experiences
with the divine spark.
And I believe this is the thrust of the Spielberg movie
is to take us beyond the cops and robbers
of government versus young venture seekers
to the realization that we are all part
of the entrapment of materialism.
And now we're breaking free of this
to a higher language cloud.
Well, that's the thrust of disclosure in general.
If you just make it information,
if disclosure is informational,
it doesn't change our worldview.
It's just more data, pretty pictures.
If you look at disclosure as transformational,
we realize there's more to human beings.
There's an interaction of mind to mind.
There's an activation of downloading intelligence
information, but not just information,
but clarity of a higher mind.
Freequencies.
Right, freequencies.
This is what real disclosures about the government
has yet to go there, but Spielberg hinted at that.
So I think we're an exciting, exciting times
where humanity is going to be,
what do you call us now?
On a universal?
On universal.
But at the same time, we can understand
the government's position in the 1940s,
after World War II, to be reluctant
to put all the cards on the table.
Because of the bizarre nature of the contact experience,
the grotesque experiments, some of which you have looked into
and I have looked into in Brazil.
Reptilians and insects.
And also the fact that we had competitors on the world
seen and wanted to use weapons of destruction.
So you can understand the government's position
to lay low until they would have more of a profile.
After thousands and thousands of cases
that Bob Wood and others looked at
and other investigators like the late Alan Heineck
presented, we have overcome the emotional difficulties.
I think this is now a field day where we can say,
yes, we can put the cards on the table
and reconstruct a positive psychology, sociology,
and even theology that was, shall we say,
endearing to the human soul.
And I think that it could come back
with William Mills Tonkins, whoa, World War II
was an extraterrestrial war fought through human bodies.
That is so full of the facets that we need to understand.
I think that might be beyond.
I mean, I think there's probably truth,
but there might be beyond this introductory understanding.
But we need to go there eventually, absolutely.
Well, if it is the truth,
and the extraterrestrials have had invested interest
in our planet literally for millions of years,
which ones, for what reason?
That's what I think the next chapter is going to be.
Well, maybe Spielberg will do it.
If maybe the government will have to do it first,
because in a sense, it is complex.
There are the good guys and the bad guys.
We say the extraterrestrials are not that much more
superior to us.
Maybe they have more mind power, but we have that as well.
So basically you have the really good guys.
You have the saints and sages,
and you have those that are not so good.
So this is us to start learning who we are.
The sages in the psychics.
But I do want to say, speaking about these last comments,
is this is a very intricate situation.
Linda would say it's like being in a hall of mirrors
with a quiet thing.
And the fact is that we need to keep going with this truth.
For us who know this phenomenon is real,
this is like a documentary.
For those who don't, it's like the writer of the New York
Times saying, oh, it's a nice science fiction movie.
So we have to keep going and educating people,
but the fact that this came out at the same time
the government is releasing its files
adds weight to the fact this is not science fiction.
This is a reality.
And all of us here are pushing.
So everyone know this because this will change
the dire situation humanity's in
where we're fighting each other
and endless wars over endless religions over endless ownership.
Nonsense of a small piece of land.
It doesn't make sense.
That's what Ronald Reagan said too,
once we realize who we are,
that we're just one planet in the midst of many.
And of course, astronaut,
and a new
and a new mission have the same overview effect.
It's a new reality.
And that's what we're into, Alan.
We're into new reality because the human mind
are what was Stanton Friedman's favorite line about ETS
who wants to be friends with a bunch of Hsou's favorite
pastime is tribal warfare.
We are still stuck at this level Spielberg,
everything we're doing,
all the other people in the disclosure
and the contact movement,
all the experiences that I've met know
this is about something bigger.
So this is the time to take a deep breath
and understand what is said in New Testament,
there was a house that many mansions.
What is said even by the great prophets
of the Old Testament that there are
a Shamai in the many heavens
that human creation is connected with.
And in the story of life,
we must not forget the preciousness of our soul.
This is what endures me to the work of Linda here
is after many years, over 50 years of field research
is the story is the importance of the soul, Judy.
Amen.
That's why the one of the most important conversations
in the film is between the protagonist and the antagonist,
the guy who wants to keep the secrets and the guy, Hugo,
who's trying to get the secrets out there.
And he's been directed by the ETS,
I think that's what it's being said.
For humans to have empathy,
empathy is our secret weapon.
And that's what we need as a planetary civilization.
Linda, you've been fighting for them.
Linda hugs the rest, waiters in the restaurant.
She does.
She is very...
I do feel a connection to all humans in a way
that seems you want to hug embrace
because the energy that you receive from each other
when it is positive and with the love of spirit
is something that feels like it does energize.
And that's what we need is to look and feel each other
as being the same kind of beings on a planet
where it takes all of us together,
working together with each other, not killing each other.
You know, one more thing I want to bring up,
not to be a spoiler, but the last word that the ETS said,
we have to say that.
Yeah, that's what I said.
The ETS gives a message to one of the humans
who can understand that like clicking language.
And that word didn't make sense to me.
Well, I think it works on many levels.
And until you see the movie, of course,
which we all recommend, you know,
we don't want to say too much,
but there's many levels which means
listen to who we are, figure out what's going on,
listen also to extraterrestrials
and other levels of intelligence.
We and listen to the higher sense of,
we'll say, our divine purpose.
And listen, that is the important word.
To yourself, to the, what you've just said before,
the compassion we have, the empathy we have.
We have to start to listen to those inner senses
of our humanity.
To be each other.
Yes, with each other.
So that's why-
This is the historic Shamaah.
Here, the frequency, here, the voice of the divine.
Understand that you are more than flesh and blood.
This is the whole drama that's unfolding
from now all directions.
And I anticipate that Spielberg is going to go on
with his sequel because the whole dialogue
opens the mouth, the ear drums, the heartbeat.
I think he's taken us far enough.
I think we need a couple of years to catch up
to what Spielberg actually has done here.
So the planet can integrate.
I call it a signifying agent when a phenomena
or some artifact comes into the popular culture
to help us make the bridge from an old reality
to some new realities.
So that's what Spielberg has done with Disclosure Day.
He's made a bridge for those disbelieving.
My whole family, my mother, after I wrote my book
called Making Contact, I'd show it to my mother.
And she says, you don't really believe that, do you?
I said, not only do I believe that I made a career out of it.
We're all in that book.
And we're all in that book.
So we are at a critical time.
Spielberg as an artist creator, someone
who can be a visionary for the future, who's obsessed
with this topic like we are, has done a really definitive piece
about making a bridge into a new world.
And that's what we're entering.
We're at the threshold.
He doesn't take us further than the threshold.
But it's up to all of us now to say, yes, this is a reality.
What do we do from here?
So let that's kind of my final question.
Yeah.
Listen, that word is important in the film.
Listen.
But where do we go?
OK, people now wear Linda.
What is the next step we need to take as a collective humanity?
It's going to start coming fast if we
are willing to have a new base on Mars being developed by Elon
Musk.
It's not going to be small.
It's going to be large.
It's going to be a base, a city.
I'm going to say, city, towns.
Is that a good thing?
On Mars on the surface, because I think our government
has known for a long time that there
are base structures inside Mars that have been used in the past
and Elon and others know, and that it is way past time for Earth
to ally itself without politicians,
without political boundaries on another planet in this solar
system.
And if Mars is that, what happens?
What happens over the next 10 years?
I am excited by that.
And listen to what's being released by the government,
because a lot of it is also from NASA.
And we knew Gordon Cooper, astronaut Gordon Cooper pretty
well, and that recently got released what he saw in 1951,
way beyond where any kind of US or German or Russian technology
would have any saw a whole flotilla above him.
So this shows you.
There's much, much more.
And you have reports now coming out about Apollo 11, Apollo 12,
Apollo 17 seeing three lights in the sky,
which is a very common phenomena when you see UFOs as well.
But this is on the moon.
So listen to what's being released.
So Dr. JJ Hertach, you've been in this since 1973,
where you had your experience.
Where do we go from here as a human civilization?
We go up to a higher frequency.
And this is what we are shown in the Spielberg film.
Listen to the animals.
See the compassion, the empathy.
Take the road of empathy.
And ultimately, it takes us into a whole new realm of charity
and consciousness creativity.
I feel we're at a stage of what meditization is,
who say, opening the seventh seal, the higher mind,
even John the Divine New Testament
speaks of opening the seventh seal,
the higher mind that sees the wonders and the glories
of the higher worlds.
But also, one has to have more than just a mental pitch here.
One has to have a language and association.
So work on a sacred, shall we say, preparation.
We're going into a context society phase now.
We're going to see many situations
that require a sense of discernment and balance.
Work from the vibrations of the heart,
the innerness of the soul, the exquisite
pictographic nature of the higher mind,
and put together a language of communication that works.
Right.
I have to say, we have to listen to our own gifts,
our own inner nature.
Remote viewing is getting very popular.
I just talk to 200 people remote viewing on the shift network.
We're going to the side games in the end of July.
Imagine like a friendly competition of psychic activity.
Telepathy is a big part of who we are as humans.
The telepathy tapes are a major influence in the world.
So these inner gifts, the gifts of the spirit,
if you want to call it that, Dr. Huddak,
is what we can own now as we move into this new age
so we can meet these beings, my, and even playing fields.
That's what we want.
So we don't worship them.
They are equal to us.
They may be a little more intelligent,
a little more sophisticated in their technology.
But on a soul level, which gets back to your question,
they're equal to us or perhaps we are even
at another level of soul.
Absolutely.
So talk about this a little bit of the soul issue
that you've been dealing with for a while, Linda.
When I was little, about four years old,
I would periodically have this feeling of a pressure
coming in my chest that I would tell my mom about it.
And at first she was concerned medically
and then she decided that there was something in me
that kept pushing me.
And today when I look back at that four year old
talking to mom, one of the images
that she had on the walls in the house
that I love so much and ask her about was of Christ
with lambs in a pasture that had been drawn
and mom put it on the wall.
And for reasons that are not clear
because there was no emphasis.
There was something about the feeling that I had
looking at that image that always has been a pressure
in my chest.
And when it's there, I feel a protection.
And I have lived a dangerous life.
And I have come to feel that when this is there,
it's like I want to hug.
You feel that energy of protection and love
that's coming into you.
And I want to hug it.
And you felt that in the movie last night a little?
I did.
At what point did you feel it?
It was at the last approximately five to 10 minutes.
And it was this sense of showing humans
in a way that was
we, our biggest problem is going to be
to accept and live with other intelligence.
And that to do that, we need to bring into ourselves
that pressure that I relate to my soul.
That's the presence.
And it's the frequency of the soul
that I think gets us through a lot of really bad times.
And I'm not saying this is going to be bad,
but something in me keeps feeling that this pressure
that I've always felt and associate with my soul
is now somehow helping me a great deal.
And I hope all of you and that we will a year from now
have met officially non-humans in space or on the ground.
So Dr. JJ Hertzhat, where's the soul understanding
relate to the extraterrestrial phenomena?
Well, the soul is a very important facet
of the human anatomy is beyond the human anatomy as such.
We're just beginning to understand this
through the research at Stanford Research Institute.
On mind dynamics, we reach a point of vibration
realizing that there's something that is beyond
the individual mind complex.
And that is what the ancients refer to as soul,
nephish in the Hebrew.
It is the realization that we are a part
of a much larger field of consciousness.
And both mine as well as a matter come out of the consciousness
of soul field.
So the soul is the inner, shall we say, architecture of life
that allows us to prepare for the ongoing
or future life that we take with us.
When the body follows the way is the soul
that continues into eternity.
Right, so Desiree, do these beings have a soul
or go ahead and talk about that?
Well, some people argue everything has a soul,
but I do believe that there's different levels
of soul evolution.
And I know that that flies in the face
of many people's beliefs.
But ultimately, one of the things you're seeing
in the movie, as you mentioned,
now is the mind's ability.
We have an ability and it was augmented by,
we'll say a kind of wand that was given by ETs
or acquired by ETs, misused by Wardex,
but others use it in a positive way.
So basically we have the mental ability to know more.
We've seen it with remote viewing,
which is something that we all worked with
or at least Alan and Mount Duretac and I.
And we also have the understanding
in terms of our philosophy
and Dr. Hertag's unique experience
that there are many levels of intelligence,
not just the extraterrestrial,
but as we wrote in your bookmaking contact,
also what we call the ultra-terrestials.
And they are also part of helping and guiding us.
It's not just information from the local levels
or from an extraterrestrial gray or something like that.
We have a greater ability to reach into higher dimensions
and that's connected with our soul.
Well, definitely.
One more thing you addressed it earlier
about the none in the movie says,
why would creation have all this space
and save it only for us?
Well, it's not.
I say the universe is full of life.
It's full of conscious life.
We do not live in a dead universe.
We live in a universe that's abundant
with intelligences.
And somehow, this is what Whitley says,
we're gaining a new level of understanding of ourselves
that will allow us to meet the other
and that is imminent, Linda.
It's imminent.
And having had mystical experiences,
I can assure you that what we're going to see eventually,
even beyond the extraterrestrial,
is something that is incredible,
that validates the essential mysteries
of what the ancients understood
as the beatific vision
of the cosmic Christ, the cosmic glory of the Godhead,
far beyond the levels of the experimental gods
and demigods that we see on various levels
of scientific information.
So to conclude, very much,
let's do your prayer, Linda.
Let's hold hands about being in the light here.
And what you've been taught
and what you say all the time as a protection
and as an opening to these higher levels,
what is that prayer you say?
May the thought that dwells in the light protect us forever.
I came to as a child, didn't it?
It's been an evolutionary thought in my mind,
apparently, since I was young.
And this man right here introduced me to the protonoya.
I think it's a 2,000 year old boy.
Yes, yes.
What does that mean, Dr. Hough,
the thought that dwells in the light?
Well, let's refer into the higher language of vibration.
We're all part of the protonoya means in the Greek,
the proto language or the higher language
that precedes the human.
What does it mean, the thought that dwells in the light?
The thought is the eternal language
that we use in eternity.
I would also say that we came about
by thought from higher thought.
In fact, you know, thoughts don't really generate
so much from us.
We're connected with the consciousness field.
And that thought that came about for our creation
is from the light.
It reshapes us, it caresses us, it elevates us,
it brings into the language of fellowship that is eternal.
And I think it actually is us.
We are the thought that dwells in the light.
There's no separation, right?
Yeah.
And so these amazing people, myself,
we're gonna keep going.
We're gonna keep pushing for the truth.
We're going deeper into this phenomenon
because this is just the threshold,
the doorway into the unknown.
That's what Spielberg's opened up for the world,
for people on, you've never heard the term disclosure.
People who have no idea that this is a reality.
We are crossing the threshold into an unknown new reality
that is full of excitement for me, full of possibilities,
because people who fear the unknown
are just projecting the known onto it.
What we're approaching now with the advent
of other intelligences on this planet
that probably don't wanna invade,
they probably realize we are connected in consciousness.
Just like we're all connected.
If consciousness is the universal language,
our destructive habits are affecting them,
just like you said about the atomic weapons
blasting into other dimension.
So if we raise our own level to a frequency,
we can finally become part of a cosmic civilization.
With love for every life form.
And so it is a world without end.
Universe without end.
House of many mentions without end.
Immortal soul without end.
The preciousness of the soul is the substance of life.
Amen.
Amen.
Thank you all for being here.
Thank you for watching this, you know,
exciting program where the future is waiting for us
in a way with an open hand for us to listen
to the higher realms that we are entering.
Thank you so much for watching.
This interview was done on June 13th today,
June 13th earlier in the day with Linda Moulton-Hale,
JJ Hertzog, and myself, Alan Steinfeld.
Stay tuned for more upcoming broadcasts.
But I want to finish this whole show with a song I wrote
called, Did You See It?