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vicki fisk: Then!

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Bo H: Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to another episode of Down and Dirty with me. I'm Idaho Beau, and….

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vicki fisk: I'm Vivacious Vic.

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Bo H: Yes, you are. And we have a very special guest today. He just happens to be my nephew.

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Bo H: Adam Hahn, and he lives in Idaho as well. He's even further north than I am.

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Bo H: And he's had a journey of basically homesteading.

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Bo H: Living sustainably, and all kinds of really fun stuff, things we've talked about before in the past. So, I think probably the best thing to do is just get down. Adam, you want to say anything before we get started?

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Adam’s iPhone: Hello, hello, Down and Dirty, glad to be on the episode. I'm sitting on my front porch on a beautiful evening here in North Idaho, and nice breeze, sunny weather, and critters around, and just happy to be on board. Thanks for inviting me.

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Bo H: You're welcome. I'm glad you're here. Glad you're.

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vicki fisk: Thank you.

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Bo H: He has a great log home up in, Almost to the Canadian border.

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Adam’s iPhone: I'm in Old Town, Idaho.

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Bo H: Right, I didn't know if you wanted to disclose that or not. Right, literally, like, down the road, about less than a mile, is the state of Washington, so he's…

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Bo H: He's way up there.

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Adam’s iPhone: It's actually only 5 acres to the west of me. I got one 5-acre parcel to the west of me, and I'm in Washington.

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vicki fisk: Oh, wow.

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Adam’s iPhone: Nice.

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vicki fisk: Okay, well, I'm gonna come find you, so you don't even have to disclose anything else.

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Adam’s iPhone: Alright.

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Bo H: Maybe when you come visit in October, we can go up to his house for a day.

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vicki fisk: That'd be fun.

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Adam’s iPhone: Yeah, glad to have you.

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vicki fisk: That would be fun.

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Bo H: Or more. He's got extra bedrooms.

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Bo H: ….

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Adam’s iPhone: extra bedrooms.

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Bo H: So… now that we mention Washington, I know that you used to live over in Yelm.

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Bo H: And, you were actually in the military, you were in the Army for 25 years.

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Bo H: Ish? 22 years. 22 years, retired.

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Bo H: And, you were Special Forces for a good deal of that.

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Bo H: Oh, God.

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Adam’s iPhone: I will make a correction there. I was a Special Operations Support Soldier, so I was assigned to Special Forces units for a Special Forces Group, 160th SOAR, but I was a support soldier.

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Bo H: Very good. Good support.

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Bo H: And you, you had 5 acres there as well, correct?

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Adam’s iPhone: Correct, I did. In addition to, leasing 5 acres, catty-corner to me of pasture land, and then my neighbor, just to the west of me had about 4 acres of pasture land that I was able to use for my critters.

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Adam’s iPhone: So I had about 13 acres of pasture land I was able to use over in western Washington.

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vicki fisk: Sweet.

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Bo H: What kind of critters are we talking about?

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Adam’s iPhone: Well, I started out with… well, I always had chickens.

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Adam’s iPhone: But started out with, the chickens, and went to cows, and shortly learned to get away from cows and go to sheep and goats, and, dabbed in rabbits a little bit.

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Bo H: And geese and turkeys, and….

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Adam’s iPhone: Yes, I did. Yeah, I had a couple geese and a couple turkeys, and … wasn't really big on them. A little annoying and messy, but…

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Adam’s iPhone: I guess it comes with a job.

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Bo H: So, you want to ask them any questions, Ms. Bick?

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vicki fisk: Well, I'm always curious when somebody gets really settled in and really, really moving towards personal sovereignty and sustainability, I always like to get a little bit of the flavor of how you made those choices, and

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vicki fisk: It's always nice, I think, to…

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vicki fisk: have some of the failures, as well as a lot of the successes, you know, so that people who are really embarking on any kind of

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vicki fisk: property size, doesn't matter what size. You know, some of the…

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vicki fisk: pitfalls and the great aha moments of, wow, this is really happening and working. I'm always curious just to know a little bit of your story of how

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vicki fisk: Important that was for you, and then… Just some of your story.

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Adam’s iPhone: We all love stories. Oh, absolutely.

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Adam’s iPhone: So I grew up in North Idaho. I, I joined the military right after high school, and like I said, did 22 years in the military. I've always been an outdoorsman, an avid hunter, just love the outdoors. That's why, you know, being from North Idaho, love the outdoors.

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Adam’s iPhone: My military service took me around the world to 24 different countries, approximately.

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Adam’s iPhone: And I finally got my station of choice, which was, Fort Lewis, Washington, so it was on the west side, I've always wanted to be out west, and Washington State is an absolutely beautiful state, love the Cascades.

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Adam’s iPhone: And I was privileged to stay in Washington State for about a decade, maybe a little more, at Fort Lewis, and one of the perks of being in the Special Operations Unit.

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Adam’s iPhone: And… some, you know, sometime back, probably 2018, 2017, 2018, around my last deployment to Afghanistan, …

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Adam’s iPhone: I kind of got on this prepping binge, and…

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Adam’s iPhone: it kind of… I've always wanted property, and we had bought the property in 2016 before we went to Italy, or excuse me, I'm sorry, 2012 before we went to Italy. And so I came back, we had 5 acres, and I wanted to, you know, everybody wants to have a couple chickens or a couple something running on their property.

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Adam’s iPhone: And then I… I started getting a little concerned with, the way the world is going, and, you know, whatnot, and thinking, I have a family, I got 5 kids, a wife, a grandson, and I'm thinking, you know, if the grid goes down, or anything happens, you know, how are we gonna live?

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Adam’s iPhone: So I kind of started this journey on… on, you know, the premise that something could potentially happen. And I'd rather be prepared for something, and it not happen.

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Adam’s iPhone: Then not be prepared, and then something happens, and…

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Adam’s iPhone: you know, that's kind of it. So, you know, you start looking at things as food stores, and preservation, canning, and storing up meats, and, renewable meat sources, you know, chickens are great, always poop in your breakfast. You know, I've kind of gotten into rabbits, because they breed like rabbits, and….

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Bo H: That's it.

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Adam’s iPhone: That's a good source of protein, and …

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Adam’s iPhone: And, you know, so, you know, I had 5 acres, and it was a perfect property. We loved it. And we bought it on a short sale, and that the property was rough. Fencing was rough, the house was rough.

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Adam’s iPhone: And, you know, we poured a lot of sweat… sweat blood and tears and money into that property, flipped it, cross-fenced it, outbuildings for the critters. Started out with, besides chickens, started out with some cows.

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Adam’s iPhone: We got 3 cows, which were pregnant, so we had 6 cows there shortly after. And I had a lot of buddies that, … and by the way, if you want to chime in, just kind of cut in, because I'll talk for hours.

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Adam’s iPhone: I had a few buddies that actually talked to me about, why don't you go to sheep? From cows? Why don't you go to sheep from… and so I started looking into it.

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Adam’s iPhone: And I came across a video of a lady who had both in large quantities, like 300 sheep and a couple hundred cows, and she had a pretty prominent ranch, and she did a cost analysis of sheep versus cows, and going from cows… going from sheep

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Adam’s iPhone: to sheep from cows was like a 2,000% profit increase, and she kind of explained, started going through the whys. You know, it's a 9-month gestation for a cow. The cow drops, and then you wait 2 years, generally, before you, you know, butcher it.

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Adam’s iPhone: Where sheep, it's a 5-month gestation. They usually throw twins, and then within 6 months, you're butchering. And on top of that, you got the fleece you can use as, mulch in your garden, you can use it in your hanging baskets. I'm gonna use it to insulate the walls in my, new little she-shed slash, greenhouse.

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vicki fisk: Nice.

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Adam’s iPhone: Yeah, so there's a lot of uses for it.

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vicki fisk: Wow. And they don't eat as much.

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Adam’s iPhone: They're really hardy. Once a year, I gotta put my hands on them to shear them and trim their hooves. They're a good dual purpose, they're great tasting, they're all unvaxxed, ungrained, grass-fed only, and everybody says they taste better than anything you can eat at Costco.

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Adam’s iPhone: You can milk them. I got a stanchion that I built out of old bed parts. I haven't milked them yet. I have a buddy I sold 7 sheep to, and they've been milking them, and they haven't bought.

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vicki fisk: Wow, that's….

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Adam’s iPhone: That's… I never knew that. Yep, absolutely. So, you know, so I learned that, you know, cows, they eat a lot, they tear up the ground really bad, you can't handle them, you know, they're destructive, they rub and break on fence. So, you know, we butchered the 6 cows, and I bought sheep. Went to Montana, picked up a dozen sheep.

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Adam’s iPhone: mixed lot, mainly white Farisian, and I had an Icelandic ram and a little sulfic mixed in with them, and it's kind of been a mixed lot since. And been with sheep ever since, have a couple goats, but they're more for entertainment and weed eating than… I do.

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Adam’s iPhone: But I love goats. They have personality. Sheep are like seagulls, you know? Mine, mine, mine. So…

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Adam’s iPhone: You know, so, yeah, so, you know, I went with the sheep, and … but, you know, the animal husbandry side is kind of one… one aspect of it, and then you gotta think, what can I get out of the ground orchard? You know, this house had 5.

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Adam’s iPhone: 5 apple trees. I knew nothing about pruning trees. It had one pear tree that would… it would look like a… just a matted mess, and probably never been pruned in his life, yielded very little. So I kind of had to learn that aspect about pruning trees, when to prune them, how to prune them. And then…

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Adam’s iPhone: You know, getting a garden started,

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Adam’s iPhone: had a pretty good-sized lot. It was probably 40 foot by 40 foot, starting out, and it was all 6 foot tents around it. We did a lot of work. We actually dug down about a foot and a half, removed all the topsoil, I laid, …

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Adam’s iPhone: Chicken wire down to keep moles and gopher out of there.

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Adam’s iPhone: And then we backfilled it with drain rock, so we wouldn't have to worry about weeds, we wouldn't have to worry about mud, because it rains a little bit in Washington, western Washington, if people have ever been there. And then I built my… my, 4x8 potting, or planters on top of that. Beds, raised beds on top of that, excuse me.

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Adam’s iPhone: And, … Had a great garden. We were really successful with it.

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Adam’s iPhone: So, you know, we had the horticulture side of it, and water was another key aspect. If the grid ever went down, it's like, how are we gonna get water? So, of course, I had a hand… a, a hand pup installed on my well… on my wellhead. So, the grid ever went down, we lost electricity, gotta have water.

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vicki fisk: Sweet.

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Adam’s iPhone: You can't be….

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vicki fisk: Smart.

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Adam’s iPhone: without water.

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Bo H: Wow.

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vicki fisk: That's wonderful. Wow. How long from the time that you got back from your land to the time that you're harvesting from your veggie garden, then you're harvesting sheep, that you said 6 months on that, but, like.

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vicki fisk: Were you eating off your land?

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vicki fisk: How… how long did that take you?

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Adam’s iPhone: Really, it was… let me think… when we got back in 2016 from Italy, I really went to work, got the garden up, but the first thing we got in the ground was corn. Little bit easy, I didn't have to do raised beds or anything for that.

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Adam’s iPhone: Got the… got the soil ready, and … planted quite… I can't remember off the top, it was years ago how many…

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Adam’s iPhone: how many seeds I put in the ground, but we yielded about 320 ears of corn, and they were probably a good 10 to 12 inches. They were monsters, and sweet, and good, and … prepped them, and froze them, and throughout the year, we just ate on the corn.

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vicki fisk: And the rest.

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Adam’s iPhone: the garden kind of came in blotches as I finished, right? You know, it's expensive.

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Adam’s iPhone: The wood was expensive, and so, like, you know, you'd wait every payday and grab some lumber and slap it together and build another raised bed, then you gotta get the compost material and get it in there. So, you know, the garden came in stages. You can't expect everything, you know, they say Rome wasn't built in one day, right? So, you just kind of got to do it in stages, and….

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vicki fisk: Yeah, perfect.

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Adam’s iPhone: It's actually better that way, because I am not a horticulturist, I love gardening, you know, I love the challenge, but I will say I'm the jack-of-all-trades master of none.

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vicki fisk: Yeah, that's what I say about myself.

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Adam’s iPhone: And there's a lot of failure there, right? I mean, you learn….

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vicki fisk: Canby.

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Adam’s iPhone: Yeah, through trial and error, you're gonna learn.

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vicki fisk: Well, that's, that's one thing that Bo and I stress, and some of our interviews, a couple of our interviews with Matt Denning. We stress one step at a time.

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vicki fisk: And ta… and… and make sure that…

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vicki fisk: you're able to handle those first critical steps of planning your garden, planning where to put your orchard, planning how far from the house everything's gonna be, and so that sounds like

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vicki fisk: you intuitively knew that, and your budget, it's always a matter of budget for a lot of things that we want to do on our land. So that's right in keeping with some of the stuff that we've really highlighted in our

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vicki fisk: Podcasts, is to just be patient.

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vicki fisk: When you're working with nature, you have to be very patient, because it dictates everything when you're working off the land.

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Adam’s iPhone: Absolutely, yeah. And I think if I would have walked into a fully mature garden plot,

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Adam’s iPhone: it would have been overwhelming, being that I didn't… I knew the concepts of, you know, companion planning and rotating your crops, because, you know, Aunt Bo always gave me books, Gardening 101, and a lot of her books, and I read into it, and I was like, man, there's really a lot more to this than just throwing some seeds in the ground and letting it do its thing. You know, the fertilizers, every… you know, certain things want more water, some things like less water.

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Adam’s iPhone: Different kind of fertilizers.

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Adam’s iPhone: And it was… it was really a struggle for me, especially because being in the military, always being gone, and then when I retired, I… I bought a semi-truck, and… and I was on the road for 4 years, and…

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Adam’s iPhone: being away so much, so trying to manage that. My wife, you know, she really helped out. She took off the gardening, and she watered and fed the animals, but she was more the…

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Adam’s iPhone: like to go out there and, you know, weed and work in a garden and all that stuff. But, you know, I understood it all, and it was a little bit frustrating for me because I…

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Adam’s iPhone: trying to put it in practice is a lot harder than just having the head knowledge of, like, okay, I gotta rotate the crops, and I gotta make sure it's, you know, they're paired right with certain kind.

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Bo H: You're working with elements, and they, you know, they don't always do what we want them to do.

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Adam’s iPhone: You know, so I think starting small and growing the garden….

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Bo H: Yes.

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Adam’s iPhone: Better, you know, better way to do it.

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vicki fisk: So, are most all of your vegetables in raised beds?

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Adam’s iPhone: in Washington than where he is.

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vicki fisk: Oh, okay.

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Adam’s iPhone: Absolutely. Yeah.

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vicki fisk: And you mentioned solar, so you've got solar…

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vicki fisk: Completely solar in your home, and all of the electricity throughout your outbuildings?

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Adam’s iPhone: Oh, no, ma'am. Nope, I don't have any solar for the house. I have a Jackery with 400-watt panels. That's about it for my solar. I do have a lot of solar panels stored up, I just haven't got to that, that, you know, to that, point in my life where I'm… I'm doing… and on the she shed out, when I finish a she-shed.

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Adam’s iPhone: That's gonna be… probably have some solar panels on it. Nice. I'll definitely harness the sun's energy out there.

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vicki fisk: Nice.

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Bo H: So you, you mentioned I gave you a lot of books, you know.

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Bo H: throughout the years. Do you remember… I was just thinking about this today when I was walking Lily, my dog.

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Bo H: Popped into my head.

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Bo H: I believe you were still in high school. You could have just been out before you went into the service, but I know that was really quick.

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Bo H: But you started getting interested in horticulture, and I gave you my syllabus from my first horticulture class. Do you remember that?

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Adam’s iPhone: I do, absolutely.

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Bo H: Do you still have it?

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Adam’s iPhone: I think I do, it's upstairs on my bookshelf with all my resource documents.

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Bo H: Can I… can I borrow it back?

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Adam’s iPhone: Yeah.

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Adam’s iPhone: When you come over, we'll go up there and dig through my resources, see if we can find it.

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Adam’s iPhone: stuff on the bookshelf. I don't like being, you know, having all my resources as digital copies. I like hard copies.

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Bo H: I do, too. Yep, me too.

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Adam’s iPhone: of a plug, you got… you still got something on paper.

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vicki fisk: whole library of….

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Adam’s iPhone: And the whole….

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vicki fisk: Plan books.

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Adam’s iPhone: Yeah, and the whole adage, two is one, one is none, so I got two of everything, pretty much, except ampos.

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Adam’s iPhone: Notes. Wow.

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vicki fisk: Wow, that's nice.

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Adam’s iPhone: mushrooms and stuff like that, my daughter and I, you know, foraging. My daughter and I took a mushroom class up in, northern Washington State, just to kind of get the basics of

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Adam’s iPhone: wild mushrooms harvesting, you know, how to identify them. We got a lot of resources. Enjoyed that class. I really want to on this property.

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Adam’s iPhone: do a little mushroom farm. I had my lot thinned out for fire, preventative, but I left a big patch here on the north side that's got a lot of shade. I get a lot of mollus and stuff that pop out of the ground back there, but I like to hang some hardwoods back there and start putting plugs in and start growing some moisture, moisture.

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Adam’s iPhone: A different kind of mushroom. I've never done it, but it's just an extra… something we can do and use, you know, maximize your space. Use it all.

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Adam’s iPhone: Oh, yeah, absolutely. So, I sell my farm fresh eggs at work, just to my co-workers, $5 a dozen, and I don't have enough to provide. They just, they just want, you know, just like every week, you got eggs, you got eggs, you got eggs, and I make enough money, with my eggs to pay for the food.

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Adam’s iPhone: And then feed us with eggs, and then have money left over. So, yeah, no, that is definitely, you know, something you can do to take care. You know, if you can pay for your food, that's a win. I spend about $320 bucks on a thousand pounds of chicken food every 6 months, roughly.

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Adam’s iPhone: And that's all paid for, just by selling to my coworkers. As far as the sheep, yes and no.

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Adam’s iPhone: I've… I've sold…

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Adam’s iPhone: whole sheep, dead and alive. I've slaughtered them, you know, I slaughter myself if they want them dead. I'll take them to the butcher shop. That's preferred. That's $100 to butcher a sheep, doesn't matter how much it weighs around here.

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Adam’s iPhone: And I've sold live sheep to some people around here that want some live sheep. My wife and I just started butchering ourselves. We've done probably 3 or 4 sheep.

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Adam’s iPhone: But it's not in what would be, you know, you'd say a USDA-approved facility. It's in my shop. So I'm a little iffy if I want to sell that to just anybody, my friends, family, something like that. Yeah, I'll throw them a leg of lamb or something like that. We just vacuum seal it, weigh it, and put a, you know, label it and a date and stuff like that.

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Adam’s iPhone: But we're getting better. I want to make sure a lamb chop actually looks like a lamb chop before I take it to a farmer's market, you know what I mean? It might look a little rough, because I got a handsaw. I don't got, like, a…

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Adam’s iPhone: I got about 7 more lamb I gotta butcher before November.

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Adam’s iPhone: And I have the rams separated, because you don't want to breed them early. If you breed them early, then you're going to be dropping lambs in December.

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Adam’s iPhone: And that happened my first year, because when I sold my property in Washington, I wasn't able to separate my sheep. They were all in that least 5 acres, so they were breeding July, August, September, October. I had nothing I can do about it, so when I brought them over here, and it was a bad winter, it was 31 below, we were….

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Adam’s iPhone: Yeah, we were dropping lambs in the winter, so I… I'd always go out at night.

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Adam’s iPhone: And the first thing in the morning, I go, if there's any lambs on the ground, I… I made lambing jugs out of pallets, and put a heat lamp in there, and, you know, they got in there until they're a few days old, and I let them out, and then just…

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Adam’s iPhone: just kept that cycle going. It was… it was a rough… I lost about 5, I think, that… that year, because just dropping… not getting out there in time to find them before they succumbed to the… the bitter cold.

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Bo H: And you have a Tibetan Mastiff as their guard dog.

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Adam’s iPhone: Oh, yeah, so I… so I have a Tibetan Mastiff.

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Bo H: She's a gorgeous dog, one of the most expensive dogs on Earth, by the way. I got her from a friend, he's a breeder.

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Adam’s iPhone: And he didn't charge me anything, and her name is Stormi, and she lives out there 24-7, 365, doesn't matter how cold, whatever, she's… that's her family. Even the chickens. If the chickens are fighting, she breaks them up.

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Adam’s iPhone: When I go out there to slaughter, I have my 22, she knows what it is, and she starts corralling the sheep up and trying to herd them away from me.

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Adam’s iPhone: Yeah, I mean, I mean, that's your family.

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Adam’s iPhone: Yeah, but I reward her, I always give her the heart of the sheep to, you know, as her….

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Adam’s iPhone: You know, pay her for her services, because she's… she's always on guard.

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Bo H: So, I was wondering if… two things I'd like you to talk about before… we… we still have time, but, is your underground greenhouse that you built over in Yelm

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Adam’s iPhone: So, I got the sunken greenhouse idea from Aunt Bro, and of course, being a prepper, I was totally into it, because I'm thinking, in the wintertime, I want to have the ability to grow year-round, right? You're gonna have a little harder winter in western Washington.

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Adam’s iPhone: I can plant grounds or vegetables in the sunken greenhouse. And the whole concept behind a sunken greenhouse, from my limited understanding of it, is the geo… you know, the thermal temperature of the Earth stays more consistent at ground and below ground.

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Adam’s iPhone: I… I hired an excavator to come out, and he dug a hole

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Adam’s iPhone: And, of course, a ramp going down to it, and a lot of clay there, so the walls stayed up perfectly. It was beautiful, a beautiful dig. And then I backfilled it with 2 feet of drain wall, of drain rock, excuse me, because, you know, it rains a lot in Washington. I don't want to have a mud pit down there and, you know, have to wear waders going down to my vegetables. And, and by the way, that was plenty.

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Adam’s iPhone: I never had an issue with water in that greenhouse. Never. So, 2 feet of drain rock was perfect, so…

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Adam’s iPhone: in theory, I was 6 feet below, the, you know, ground level. And that's gonna vary on your, you know, on your, you know, where you're located. Up here, that might not be suitable, you know, deep enough. I don't know. I haven't… dad did it in Idaho, but your frost level's always a little bit lower, or, you know.

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Adam’s iPhone: the walls, you know, I framed it, I did 90% of the work of building that 16 by 14, 22… 224 square foot greenhouse. I did about 90% of the work myself, framed it. I had to have some buddies come a couple times to put the walls together, and hang some polycarbonate, the long sheets on the front.

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Adam’s iPhone: all the soil off my framing. I don't want any rot. That'd be a pain in the rear to go and try to replace studs or anything like that if it's rotting, so I really took the effort to make sure it was sealed from the outside. With that being said.

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Adam’s iPhone: dig your hole a little bit wider, just enough for you to get in there, because you have to get back there to put your corners on, to keep the water out from going into the corners, and pocket if you need it, whatever you want to do. You got, for me, about 18 inches. I was able to squeeze back there and, you know, make sure everything is watertight.

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Adam’s iPhone: if it's above the ground, it was a polycarbonate. I painted all the lumber white, so it was very reflective, extra bright. I put in the automatic, vents, so as the temperature rise, they raised up automatically. As it cools down, they dropped. And I put in a solar-powered fan with a thermostat.

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Adam’s iPhone: So at a certain temperature, it kicked on, pulled the air through at a high level.

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Adam’s iPhone: Below, what would be the ground level. And so it pulled the cool air up and forced it out the top.

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Adam’s iPhone: And I had potting… potting benches in there. I also ran an extension.

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Adam’s iPhone: And the reason I did that is because I dabbed in,

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Adam’s iPhone: Oh, man… it's eluding me right now for some reason, where you play classical music… Sonic Bloom. Sonic Bloom. Where you play classical music to your plants, and the whole premise behind that is…

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Adam’s iPhone: Yeah, is the frequencies of classical music, often found same in bird chirping.

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Adam’s iPhone: opens the stomatas on the plants, which causes them to breathe more, and then when they breathe more, they grow bigger, and there's a lot of people around the world that's just very big… had been very successful with sonic bloom. So, you know, I dabbed in it.

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Adam’s iPhone: And I was always away, so I did an Echo Dot, and so I was able to turn it on and turn it off while I was on the road and stuff. I did about 5 hours a day, and…

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Adam’s iPhone: I… I did it for one year, and it was okay. I grew, like, a 12-foot tomato plant, and it looked… it was a lot bigger than all the, you know, than the stuff outside.

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Adam’s iPhone: the yield was about the same, but I think that was me not being there to fertilize and take care of it as much as I, you know, should have.

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Adam’s iPhone: But that's… that's something I'd like to continue.

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Adam’s iPhone: One of the things I really had to… I guess the takeaway was filling in the sides.

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Adam’s iPhone: the pressure started causing my 2x4s in the greenhouse to bow, so I dug it out, and I backfilled it with wood chips, just because they're a lot lighter, a lot fluffier. So, lesson learned, when I build one here, I'm gonna use 2x6s, you know, so….

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Adam’s iPhone: that, weight of that soil on the sides really presses in. But it was… I love the greenhouse. It was….

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Bo H: They had fairy lights in it, and it literally… it looks like you could go have a romantic cup… glass of wine with your…

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Bo H: your lover in there. It was beautiful.

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Adam’s iPhone: Yep, and I had Lemon tree that thrived in that thing. I had…

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Adam’s iPhone: I had a beam that was up way above what I could reach. It would have been above ground level that ran…

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Adam’s iPhone: it was mainly to brace the, center support, but I figured, well, let's just make that a shelf, so I put, like, a 1x6, or excuse me, like, a 1x12, the whole length of it, 16 feet, and I put pots up there, so I can, you know, things, like, require a little more heat, like your eggplants and stuff like that.

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Adam’s iPhone: I put those up high, and I had a… I had a lemon, you know, a little lemon tree that just thrived in that thing year-round.

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Adam’s iPhone: That is one of the hardest things, that I had to leave behind. I love the property, and I, you know, I'm not gonna get into politics or anything, but we left… it was the hardest thing to sell that property. I just couldn't live there anymore, the crime.

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Adam’s iPhone: The drugs, murder started coming into our small town, it just got really bad, and so that's why we decided to move to, to Idaho. So….

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Adam’s iPhone: Yep, I'm from Idaho originally, but….

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Adam’s iPhone: I spent so much time there, and I had roots there, and I had a perfect property, and … it was hard, but that's why we love it.

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Bo H: You were so close to the city, but it was so rural at the same time, it was so beautiful.

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Adam’s iPhone: Western Washington is very lush, and I loved it from a prepping standpoint, because I'm a forager, I've got books, and I've… and I've just been reading up on it, and when I go out in the woods, you can eat that, you can eat that.

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Adam’s iPhone: all your ferns, you can dig them up, you can do the roots, and it's just, like, I could probably sustain a quarter of our diet just on foraging western Washington. All those things that people say are… are weeds.

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Adam’s iPhone: I can walk out my backfield, and I can make a salad, and a lot more nutritious than what you can find in a grocery store, so I'm real big on foraging. You get over here, it's different. They don't have all the same things. I've only seen very few of the wild carrots, the Queen Anne's lace here. They're everywhere in western Washington.

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Adam’s iPhone: I dig them up and eat them. It's like, wow, it's a carrot, you know? And very few over here, so it's a lot drier.

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Adam’s iPhone: So, it's not as lush, you don't got as many of the items I was accustomed to seeing over there. With that being said, also.

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Adam’s iPhone: my garden, so I got a bigger plot here. I've measured out about 7,000 square feet plus.

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Adam’s iPhone: garden here, and that's not counting the orchard, that's not in place yet. I think gophers killed the one Rainier cherry I put in. That's another story. Yeah. …

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Adam’s iPhone: So, my challenge here is our well. I'm on a shared well, so I own the well, but my neighbor behind me uses it also, and we only get, like, 9 gallons per minute.

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Adam’s iPhone: And it's a 120-foot static level, and it just… it's always running out, so, like, it's just a challenge to water my yard. So…

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Adam’s iPhone: Aunt Bo sent me, she's, like, always sending me great things, and it's just like, this, this completely changed my life, because I was really frustrated, like, how am I going to water my garden?

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Adam’s iPhone: She sent me a video of a gentleman, and I can't remember his name off the top of my head, but he came up with the Back to Eden garden technique.

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Adam’s iPhone: And it was basically using mulch.

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Adam’s iPhone: And he, you know, he covered his whole garden, because when he moved to a certain dry spot in Washington, he had the same thing. His well only produced a half gallon a minute, and he was a big gardener. He's like, well, how.

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Adam’s iPhone: Yeah, how am I gonna water my garden, let alone take a shower? So…

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Adam’s iPhone: So he walked out in the woods in a tree line, and he's like, he's a Christian, and he's like, God, how is all this thriving out here? Everything is so green, and he looked down, what he's standing on, he started just digging in the ground right there, and it's all… it's basically all mulch. It's all the dead trees.

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Adam’s iPhone: Leaves and everything else, and everything under there was… moist.

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Adam’s iPhone: Black soil, and he's like… so he started experimenting with it, like, different, hay and, straw and this and that, but he found the best thing was wood chips.

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Adam’s iPhone: And not, you know, not something you buy at Tractor Supply. They gotta be something from an arborist with different sized wood chips, so they don't compact. And so he started…

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Adam’s iPhone: Spreading wood chips very thick, like 10 inches, and … It retains moisture really well.

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Adam’s iPhone: And it basically will just start turning into a tea, because as all that wood starts breaking down, it's constantly leaching into the soil. And weeds, if they do grow, they come right out, because it doesn't compact, it's not like soil.

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Adam’s iPhone: You don't have to rotational, you know, rotate your crops, because it's constantly leaching that tea into your soil, giving it the nutrients it needs. It's not starved of anything. And the pests are very few, because

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Adam’s iPhone: the plants are so healthy and so full of water, it's like, once they bite into it, like, the water just, like, drowns them out. They don't sit there and eat on it, so…

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Adam’s iPhone: it kind of solves all my problems here. I got horrible water, my soil is pure sand. I don't have a single rock, which is a blessing when it comes to doing a fence post, because this property didn't have one fence post on it when I bought it. My daughters and I did all the fencing. We're still working on the two-thirds in the back, but…

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Adam’s iPhone: When it comes to… when it comes to gardening, it's like, it's just… Pure sand, dusty.

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Adam’s iPhone: my neighbor's got 20-something draft horses, so she gives me all the manure, compost, and aged manure that I need, so I've been… I've been running over with my tractor and putting it about 12 to 18 inches thick, and then I signed up on Chip Drop.

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Adam’s iPhone: And I got one load from them, and then I just go around looking for free wood chips from people that got stuff from Chip Drop, and I've just been bringing it and dumping it about another 12 inches on top of that.

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Adam’s iPhone: It's gonna take a couple years before we can start really using it to its effect. If I want to use the spot now, I can. I would just have to pull back the wood chips.

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Adam’s iPhone: put some organic matter in there, some compost, and once it starts growing, I can put some wood chips over it. So, I just started. So, more to follow on this. I'd love to be back on your show and.

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vicki fisk: Nice.

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Adam’s iPhone: on that later, so….

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vicki fisk: Wonderful. That's so great.

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Bo H: Wasn't your, you know, that area that you live in, wasn't that a… some kind of mining operation at one time? That's why it's so sandy there. There's no organic matter in the soil at all there.

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Adam’s iPhone: I don't know if it's because of that. I know there's a lot of mining around here, and that's why there's arsenic in our water.

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Adam’s iPhone: But yeah, I'm not sure why it's so sandy in this… in this area. It's kind of… kind of odd to me. You go down to Post Falls, Coeur d'Alene, and it's all… it's all rock, and…

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Adam’s iPhone: really healthy soil up here, it's just sand. So…

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Adam’s iPhone: I have no idea. I just gotta deal with it and, you know, find ways to work around it. Got good drainage!

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vicki fisk: Yeah. Well, building soil is the most important thing we can do, no matter what.

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Adam’s iPhone: Absolutely.

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vicki fisk: As far as being a gardener, so that's… you're… you're right on the right track, and all that wood chip starts creating that mycelium, which is… just feeds everything.

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Adam’s iPhone: Yep. And I, of course, I use my own manure, sheet manure. I make my own compost piles, and I stir them and throw in the…

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Adam’s iPhone: chicken poop, and stir it, and then I take that out there and I'll spread it. So, I got a lot of.

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vicki fisk: you know.

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Adam’s iPhone: Yeah, around here.

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vicki fisk: Very nice.

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vicki fisk: What are you harvesting?

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vicki fisk: Right now, anything?

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Adam’s iPhone: Well…

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Adam’s iPhone: We… this was our first test trial this year in the new garden, so keeping it small, … the…

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Adam’s iPhone: I don't know, the desire is to go out there and just throw a bunch of stuff on the ground and see what happens, but…

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Adam’s iPhone: That's probably gonna be a little more of a challenge, not knowing really what our… what it's gonna do in the soil and the water, because, of course, the Garden of Eden, or excuse me, Back to Eden technique isn't really up and running yet, so we've done corn, and it's… it's great. I got a little corn maze out there. If you come over, I'll charge 25 cents to take you through the maze.

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Adam’s iPhone: My wife's got some beans in the ground, and some… I think she planted her eggplant a little long, or a little late.

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Bo H: how she was saying that the other night. You've got tomatoes.

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Adam’s iPhone: Yep, we have tomatoes, those are in the greenhouse. I got a small greenhouse that came with the property, and I'm gonna redo it. It's got some real aged plastic sheeting on the sides, and, you know, it gets real dark, and it gets ambient light, but it doesn't get sunlight in there, so I'm gonna replace it with polycarbonate.

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Adam’s iPhone: when I get around to it, I'm finishing up the fencing now with the garden. I just got the last of the fence posts, this weekend, so I'll be finishing up the garden fencing. Keep the chickens out, that's always the challenge, right?

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vicki fisk: Oh, man.

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Adam’s iPhone: scratching and eating everything. Ugh. Like, like I said, I hate chickens, but I love them at the same time.

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vicki fisk: I know. They're my favorite. Chicken crackers.

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vicki fisk: But they do… you… yeah, you really gotta keep your eye on them, they can just decimate something in no time.

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Adam’s iPhone: Well, my plan is to do chicken tunnels around the garden. I have a separate chicken coop out there by the garden, and I'm gonna put, you know, 10 chickens in there, and I'm gonna have tunnels that run the length all the way around the garden to be the interceptor for insects, right?

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vicki fisk: a bunch of claw.

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Adam’s iPhone: They're following through, they'll be going around eating them, and just…

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Adam’s iPhone: You know, do what they can to kind of just intercept the insects before they get in there and start eating my vegetables.

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vicki fisk: That sounds like a great idea. Yeah. So, I got a question for you.

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Adam’s iPhone: Okay.

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vicki fisk: What do you do in your spare time?

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Bo H: Well….

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Adam’s iPhone: I do have an expensive wife, and, so…

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Adam’s iPhone: so I still work, and of course I have to work. I'm retired military, I got my VA disability, I make pretty good money, but we just moved to this property. Like I said, there wasn't a single fence post on there. We gotta do greenhouses, we gotta do gardens, finish the fencing.

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Adam’s iPhone: The beautiful log home wasn't well maintained, so it's gotta be media blasted, sanded, treated.

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vicki fisk: Mmm.

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Adam’s iPhone: about 8 grand for just 2 sides. So I got a lot of expenses with this place, so I still work 4 days a week, I work 410s, and….

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vicki fisk: Hmm.

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Adam’s iPhone: But when I'm not working the job, I'm working the property. It's… between that and vehicle maintenance, I've got an old Chevy that I'm restoring and stuff, and it's my bug-out truck.

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vicki fisk: Hmm.

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Adam’s iPhone: But, yeah, I'm always working a property, so I don't got a lot of spare time. The wife….

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vicki fisk: No.

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Adam’s iPhone: complaints because I'm a workaholic, and I am. I just love work. I'm happy putting my hands in dirt, or inside of an engine, or doing something with the animals, and you know, it's just more than wanting to go out and do stuff, and so I gotta have a balance there, but my heart's here, working on a property, so I just… I just enjoy it. There's a sense of satisfaction and reward

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Adam’s iPhone: seeing… I mean, we've already seen in 2 years, this place doesn't look nothing like, when we bought it, when we bought it, so I'm… I'm real happy. I just like seeing, you know, everything change before your eyes, and all your hard work and effort.

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vicki fisk: Sweet. And what do you… what… what are… are your kids into this? I mean, what… how involved are they, or are they still living with you?

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Adam’s iPhone: So, one of my daughters… I got 5 kids, so one of my daughters moved back recently, because she was gonna move to Texas, and that fell through, and so she had already got out of releasing her apartment, so she's home, and I'm okay, I like having my kids around, and so she's just saving up some money to get out on her own again, and …

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Adam’s iPhone: my kids… my… well, I'll say this, my daughters, especially my eldest, Erica.

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Adam’s iPhone: that's been here to help me do this fencing. I didn't hire someone to come out and do it. It was me and my daughters did all this fencing, all the H braces, the stretching of the fence, the pounding of the T-posts, all of it. So they're… you know, I raise them right, they're hard workers. I wish they were more into it like I am, but I'm kind of a fanatic.

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Adam’s iPhone: You know, my youngest daughter dabbed in, gardening in the school, greenhoused in the school, and she really liked it. They're all preppers like me. You know, they all got their, their boomsticks and their bug-out bags, and they understand….

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vicki fisk: And so I kinda….

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Adam’s iPhone: I've kind of drilled it into their head. My eldest daughters went, like I said, to the mushroom course with me.

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Adam’s iPhone: And she goes, you know, some other courses, and we do training, canning, meat canning, and I would send an e- you know, an email out, or a message out to my kids and friends and family.

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Adam’s iPhone: you know, kind of get them together and just learn these skills, you know, the lost skills that so many people don't have. Once you pull the plug, nobody knows how to live, right? You don't….

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vicki fisk: Oh, yeah.

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Adam’s iPhone: preserve food or anything, and then panic sets in, and it's those who have these skills and are preparing for these things are the ones that will survive, so…

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Adam’s iPhone: That's what I want to instill in my kids, because they're the most important thing. I can grab a bug-out bag. I've been to Sears school, I've been a survival school. I've been hunting my whole life. I can grab a bug-out bag, and I can disappear into the woods and survive or die trying, and I think I'll do a pretty good job, but…

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Adam’s iPhone: They can't do that, and that would

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Adam’s iPhone: mentality when I got into prepping, so….

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vicki fisk: Mmm.

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Adam’s iPhone: you know, getting their gear, and getting them to enjoy stuff like foraging. Every time we take a walk, oh, you know.

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Adam’s iPhone: this is wild carrot, or this is, you know, wild lettuce, or connect nuts, or, you know, I mean, whatever it is, I'm just always pointing it out, saying, this is medicinal, or you can eat this, because you never know. That might be a portion of their, you know….

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vicki fisk: True.

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Adam’s iPhone: You know, their substance someday.

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vicki fisk: So….

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Bo H: Go ahead, Vic.

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vicki fisk: I was just gonna ask, what would be your advice for someone who Has a strong desire to… start…

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vicki fisk: Somewhere to get prepped, or really start…

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vicki fisk: figuring out how to lead a more sustainable life. What would you advise.

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Adam’s iPhone: Well, it's kind of one of those things… a lot of people I talk to, and I've given classes on bug-out bags. When I was a truck driver, I'd be around the Bararella and the Texas Roadhouse in Bismarck, North Dakota, and I'd be talking about this stuff, and people were really interested, and I…

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Adam’s iPhone: some people were… I was on a, you know, like, a dedicated route, so I'd always see the same people, and they invited me to their house, and I gave classes on bug-out bags and stuff, and… and, you know, how to be prepared for certain things, and…

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Adam’s iPhone: You know, the biggest thing, a lot of these people live in the city, in this, you know, suburban area, and, you know, it's like, you gotta…

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Adam’s iPhone: You gotta find somebody outside the city. You gotta form a small group, you can't do it yourself. I initially thought I can do it myself.

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Adam’s iPhone: So I smarter… I started a small group of people with different skill sets. Horticulture, I got a medical team, security team, I got my mechanics, my engineer.

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Adam’s iPhone: of people like-minded, that really takes it serious, and really puts some, you know, some effort into being prepared. You know, like I said, if you never have to use it, great.

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Adam’s iPhone: But at that time, when the flag goes up or something happens, then you've at least got a running start in front of everybody else, and the most important thing is your gear, right? You gotta have the gear, and you gotta have a place to go to, and it's not in a city. I've always prepped for, like, kind of the worst possible scenario in AMP.

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Adam’s iPhone: Killed our entire electrical grid. Navy War College did a study on this, and within 18 months, 90% of America would be dead, because people can't live without electricity. It runs their water….

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vicki fisk: Thanks for tunnel.

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Adam’s iPhone: It keeps their food frozen or cold, it pumps their gas, and people don't prepare for this stuff. They got their nice house, and the wife takes a fence.

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Bo H: Flushes their toilet, they never think about that one.

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Adam’s iPhone: everything. So…

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Adam’s iPhone: you know, prepare for the worst possible scenario, and it's kind of overwhelming to think about it. I tell them that, I said, yeah, there's a lot of gear you need, my friend, but

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Adam’s iPhone: It's never too late to start.

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Adam’s iPhone: You need a water filter. The grid goes down.

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Adam’s iPhone: And people, you know, day one, I'm really thirsty, day two, they're drinking out of puddles, they're drinking out of streams, the river, they get Giardia, other waterborne illnesses, and that's gonna be the number one leading cause of death.

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Adam’s iPhone: In this kind of scenario, so have a water, you know, a life straw, or, you know, some other kind of water filtration system. That should be the first thing in your bug-out bag, and then you plan for the season. So, a bug-out bag is important, and I'm always willing to help people get started with a bug-out bag, and then having a place to go.

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Adam’s iPhone: And when you get to that place, who's gonna be a part of that group? And you gotta… you gotta have a standard. I have, you know, thousands of pounds of dry goods, and foods and medical supplies and ammunition to defend it, because people are gonna want your stuff. So, that's some of the things you gotta think about.

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vicki fisk: Very good. Thank you. Thank you for that.

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vicki fisk: It's all good information.

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Adam’s iPhone: Some of the things I wanted to…

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Adam’s iPhone: dab into also, Aunt Bo, you talked about running copper wire in the ground. What is that called again?

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vicki fisk: Electroculture, yeah.

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Adam’s iPhone: Yep, absolutely, I'm gonna be messing with that, too. Kinda hit everything where I can, and…

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Adam’s iPhone: Try to get the best possible…

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Adam’s iPhone: you know, yield the healthiest vegetables that I can.

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Bo H: So, you know, when you come over to my place and pick up kombucha.

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Bo H: I've got all those pots in the front, and they're…

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Bo H: pretty tight in there. I've got a lot of stuff out there.

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Bo H: And…

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Bo H: the sprinklers, because I have a little bit of a lawn, the sprinklers hit the pots, and then… and then I have to water the things they don't get. So it stays really moist in there. I've got a…

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Bo H: ornamental pear tree, and a nine-bark shrub. It's pretty… it's pretty… got a lot of shade, but sun at the same time. So I have a huge slug problem.

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Bo H: It's huge. I pick them off all the time, and I don't want to squish them or put salt on them, so I don't know if this is really any better. I just kind of throw them out on the sidewalk so they have a long place to go to get, or a long way to go to get back to my

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Bo H: my plants. So, anyway, long story short, I had one pot dedicated I wanted to grow green beans in.

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Bo H: I plant the seeds, Right, you know, right at the exact right time for my area, for this area.

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Bo H: And they just start coming up, and lo and behold, they get munched to the ground.

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Bo H: I did it 3 times. So finally, I thought, okay, I'm gonna try one more time.

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Bo H: And I probably put about, I don't know, 8 seeds in there.

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Bo H: And the one in the middle came up, and it wasn't getting munched, but all the other ones around it was, so I took… I bought some… I bought some copper wire to make some…

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Bo H: electroculture, towers, or wands, or antennas, or whatever you want to call them.

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Bo H: And I thought, I'm gonna try something. So I took a piece of wire, and I made it round on… right on the inside of this pot, and not one leaf has been munched ever since then.

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Adam’s iPhone: Oh, wow.

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vicki fisk: Oh, that's great.

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Bo H: the reason I… if I'm remembering this correctly, the reason is because the copper creates… it's not that it creates a… an electrical…

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Bo H: Field, but it conducts electricity, and they can't cross it.

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Bo H: Yeah, the electroculture… Vicki's done it a lot. I still haven't made my wand yet, it's just, I…

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Bo H: My dog has surgery, so it's been a little…

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Bo H: Strange lately, but anyway, Vicki, you want to talk about it? We still have about, I don't know, 5-6 minutes left?

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Adam’s iPhone: Yeah, it is.

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vicki fisk: the GT.

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Adam’s iPhone: Feels like the right gauge wire, because I need all that.

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vicki fisk: Well, I… I was doing this when I lived in Baja, and there's no hardware stores or anything that

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vicki fisk: Well, there were hardware stores. You could get electric, copper pipes for plumbing and stuff like that. It was super expensive.

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vicki fisk: So, I went to the thrift stores, and I got all these cable wires, and I stripped the plastic off, and I was harvesting the wire out of…

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vicki fisk: of all the electronic stuff that is in the… and I… then I wrapped poles. I wrapped whatever kinds of branches I could get.

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vicki fisk: Because there's no trees there, so, you know, there's dead cactus, and…

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vicki fisk: I found some people that had some bamboo poles and stuff, gringos that bring stuff down, and I… and I put them out. I did find one really long one, and I made an antenna that was about…

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vicki fisk: 12 feet tall.

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vicki fisk: And it kind of had a curvy end, and I wrapped that thing with wire, and then I had kind of these…

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vicki fisk: net, this netting stuff that came out of those wires that I was… that I was, harvesting, and I just wrapped that all over it. And I stuck that out there, and oh my god, we had just planted, a bunch of citrus trees.

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vicki fisk: And those trees I can't believe how many bloom… they bloomed all year long.

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vicki fisk: Wow. And they… and they had…

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vicki fisk: they had so much… they were lime trees, one… two lime trees and a lemon tree, and they were just loaded! I mean, loaded!

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vicki fisk: And… and not really, limes and lemons, the birds, they don't really drill the holes. They drill the holes in grapefruits and oranges and tangerines and stuff, but they don't do that in the limes and the lemons. We just had so many.

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vicki fisk: And that was my… that was my first experience with electroculture, so I started…

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vicki fisk: And Tracy was living there, and we both, we started, just any sticks that we could, we just wrapped them with our wire.

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vicki fisk: And…

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vicki fisk: put them all over the place, and I had the most prolific garden in Baja, with… everything's hungry. Every critter, all the lizards, the snakes, and there's rabbits, and all the birds.

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vicki fisk: And I was able to have a huge harvest, and I do attribute it to the electroculture, because I didn't… I mean, people are going, how are you doing this?

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vicki fisk: You know, how were you able to do this? And that's the only thing that I could really come up with that…

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vicki fisk: really helped deter the pests.

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vicki fisk: And…

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vicki fisk: No, we did not lose anything to rabbits, which is, like, unheard of. And there's a lot of rabbits there.

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Adam’s iPhone: Yeah.

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vicki fisk: In the desert. So, I think you can't go wrong with it. You just experiment.

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vicki fisk: And I was so into it that I went and visited a friend down in Bisbee by the huge copper mine down in Arizona, and I bought a bunch of, …

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vicki fisk: Is it Chrysocola that's the… the, … the raw material that copper comes out of? And I bought a bunch of those, and I placed those rocks all over the bottoms.

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vicki fisk: So, it's also copper energy.

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vicki fisk: I don't know, I just experimented and had fun, and I had great success with it.

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Adam’s iPhone: I look forward to it.

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Bo H: 16 gauge. When you come over next time, I'll show you, or when I come to your house, I'll bring it with me.

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Adam’s iPhone: Okay.

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vicki fisk: I eventually did go, when we went to Yuma once, I did go to Home Depot, and I bought, about 50 feet of copper wire, and made some more formal ones that I placed in all of our… we had a huge fruit tree

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vicki fisk: thing, and placed… place one in each tree, and we had these straggly little mango trees and stuff that shouldn't even have any fruit, and they had fruit

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vicki fisk: You know?

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vicki fisk: It works!

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Adam’s iPhone: That's good, that's a success story.

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vicki fisk: It channels… it channels the ether.

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Bo H: ethers.

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vicki fisk: And the ether has everything we need to live on Earth. But it's… there's actually 5 elements.

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vicki fisk: And they removed Ether.

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vicki fisk: There's 4 elements, right?

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Bo H: Yeah. Fire, water, area.

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vicki fisk: air and air.

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vicki fisk: and ether. But they have denied us studying, knowing, or using What's naturally occurring everywhere.

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vicki fisk: Yeah, so it channels the ether down, and it's full of information and light and nutrients.

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Adam’s iPhone: Awesome, thanks for that story.

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Bo H: Well, we've got about a minute left. Adam, what nugget of wisdom would you like to leave us with?

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Adam’s iPhone: I guess a nugget of wisdom I'd like to leave you with is, I would say, more on the prepping side, I would say, you know, have a plan. It's never too late to start. Have a seed vault.

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Adam’s iPhone: Have a water filter, have a.

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vicki fisk: about that.

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Adam’s iPhone: and know somebody. You know, outside of town, you can go.

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Bo H: You're my somebody.

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Adam’s iPhone: Yeah, you are, yes. In fact, Ampo's gonna run my horticulture program.

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Bo H: It's a fan.

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Adam’s iPhone: Excuse my language.

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vicki fisk: Nice.

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vicki fisk: Nice.

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vicki fisk: The seed vault is so important. So, so important, because if you can collect seeds that are… that are grown.

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vicki fisk: On your property, it's… it's already… those seeds are acclimated to your energy, to your soil, to your property, to your climate, and you're off and running.

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Adam’s iPhone: Yep.

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Bo H: And we're off and running.

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vicki fisk: Oh, thank you, Adam.

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Adam’s iPhone: Alright.

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Bo H: All right, Adam, thank you so much.

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vicki fisk: a pleasure.

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Bo H: Thank you, BBS, Thomas, Don, Doug, we love you all. Thank you, audience. We'll see you next in.

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vicki fisk: When would… when will this show air?

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Bo H: This show is on the 30th.

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vicki fisk: 30th. Yes.

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Bo H: Not this Saturday, the Saturday after. I'll be in… I'll be in a little girl's birthday party, and Adam will be camping. Yeah.

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vicki fisk: And every other Saturday.

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Bo H: Every other Saturday. All right, guys, love you both.

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Adam’s iPhone: Yep, cheers.

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Bo H: Bye.