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Bo H: Hello, everybody, and welcome! Welcome to the second down and dirty show with me. Idaho, bo! And vivacious Bick.

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vicki fisk: Good morning!

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Bo H: Good morning. How are you? Sunshine?

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vicki fisk: No actually.

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Bo H: We were on. We were on Sunshine Show yesterday. This show is pre recorded. But hopefully we are going to get together. I'm going to travel south to go visit Vicki, and hopefully, next

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Bo H: time we're on, which will be May 3.rd I believe

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Bo H: we will go live, so we will be able to take your questions and calls, and all of the above.

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Bo H: I'd like to start with a quote from a series of books that I've been reading called The Ringing Cedars

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Bo H: of Russia.

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Bo H: It's by a gentleman named Vladimir Migray.

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Bo H: and this is from the 5th book.

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Bo H: It's actually on page 1 13. If you want to look it up the Book of Kin

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Bo H: may what has been conceived by the soul's dream now sprout from the earth.

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Bo H: and with that we will start our second show. Vic. Take it away.

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vicki fisk: Hi, everybody! Thank you for tuning in.

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vicki fisk: I would like to give a couple disclaimers from our 1st show.

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vicki fisk: As we were talking about the importance of building soil and taking care of the soil and identifying the

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vicki fisk: whatever the soil needs in order to be very healthy one. We were talking about wood, chip, mulch, how you could get a chip drop from tree companies and get like 10 yards of wood chips.

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vicki fisk: It's it's not sawdust. It's big chips of wood, and we were talking about using those as mulch. It's very, very important that those only become mulch. They do not get dug into the soil, because

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vicki fisk: it takes so much of the nutrients in the soil to break down those wood chips that you literally will not be able to grow anything in your garden

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vicki fisk: with all that wood chips dug in.

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vicki fisk: We're talking about mulching. Yes.

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Bo H: May I ask a question because it's been asked of me since you're talking about mulch? Can you describe exactly what that is? Because some people are unaware of what that is.

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vicki fisk: Putting a layer of an organic material on top of the soil.

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vicki fisk: to deter weeds, to maintain the integrity of the soil, to create a biosphere underneath that mulch full of nutrients. It it retains water and moisture, and it's a it's a weed deterrent, really, it keeps the weed. But you've got to get it deep enough to do that. You know, we're talking maybe 4 inches, 3 to 4 inches deep.

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vicki fisk: and we were talking about Lasagna gardening with the laying down the newsprint or the cardboard, and then the mulch goes on top of that, as that cardboard or newsprint deteriorates. Of course, then that mulch is still sitting on top of the soil. It's just important not to dig it in

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vicki fisk: other things like straw and leaves, and different, you know, lot, lots of sticks and stuff can become mulch. Those things can be dug in, just not wood chips.

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Bo H: Right, and with the Lasagna gardening, don't you want to put the the newsprint or

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Bo H: cardboard down again without any color ink, because they are toxic

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Bo H: that. Don't you want to put your compost

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Bo H: flat in on into the compost, and then mulch on top of that correct.

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vicki fisk: That is correct. If it's a new garden.

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vicki fisk: if the plants are are not already rooted in, and perennials.

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Bo H: Right, right, if.

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vicki fisk: This is a brand new garden. Yes.

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Bo H: Yes, or even a yearly vegetable garden that are not perennials. And can you, can you tell everybody the difference between a perennial and an annual, just in case they're unaware of that.

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vicki fisk: Annuals die in the when it freezes they're done.

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vicki fisk: They don't come back.

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Bo H: Annual a year right like.

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vicki fisk: Year is an annual. Perennials come back every year like artichokes, raspberries, all your berry plants, strawberries. Those would be a perennial because they come back every year out of dormancy, and they go through their whole life cycle. They will go dormant again if you live where it's freezing.

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vicki fisk: And so perennials come back every year.

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Bo H: Thank you. And did you have another point? Another.

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vicki fisk: I have another point that

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vicki fisk: I don't claim to be an expert in anything. What I the information that I freely want to give

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vicki fisk: is based on my experience.

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vicki fisk: I, I am about 90% experience and about 10% book smart in online looking for answers.

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vicki fisk: so I just want to use that as a clarification. There's unlimited ways of growing a garden.

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vicki fisk: and then you put your experience. You put your creativity, you you use the climate you live in, and all of the factors that come into play on what you're going to plant, where you're going to plant, you know who's planting. How interested, are you or are you going?

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vicki fisk: It's really an experiential thing, as so many aspects of life are are experiential. So you put your energy. Your intention is really important. Your intent is really powerful. So I just want to. I just want that disclaimer that I'm only going off my experience. But there's unlimited possibilities when you're growing a garden.

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vicki fisk: and and that's all I want. I need to say. I think about that.

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Bo H: I think that's a good

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Bo H: springboard to get into. What we want to talk about today is planning a garden.

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Bo H: and we're gonna hit some of the points again from our experience. I do have some book learning.

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Bo H: However, it was a long time ago, and I have to say my my experiential

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Bo H: endeavors have taught me much more than a book can.

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Bo H: And you know, yesterday, when we were talking with Sunshine Vic I brought up

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Bo H: the folks that started Fin Horn Echo village

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Bo H: years and years and years ago.

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Bo H: And it was just 3 people. And they lived in a mobile home. Basically

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Bo H: they call them caravans in the Uk.

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Bo H: and they grew a garden, and one of the one of the members of this.

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Bo H: It was a husband and wife and their friend, and the friend Dorothy would go out into the garden

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Bo H: every morning and literally communicate with her plants. She said she was

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Bo H: tipped off by what she called divas DIVA. S.

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Bo H: Or like the elementals of the plants on what they needed. And again, that was experience. She wasn't a huge gardener, and they were growing. They became popular and famous because they were growing

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Bo H: 40 pound cabbages.

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Bo H: and they had such an abundance of food that people started coming out to see what they were doing. And today Finhorn is actually one of the largest echo villages in the world.

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Bo H: But I say that because it is experience that is the most important, and and some of you may not have a lot of garden experience. And since it is spring.

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Bo H: we're going to talk about planning a garden. Now, ideally, you want to start getting your seed catalogs and maybe messing around with a piece of paper where you want to put what in the winter, when things are, you know, you're kind of

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Bo H: socked in, anyway. In the North you are

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Bo H: but we're gonna go from here because it is a good spring

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Bo H: springboard kind of a pun intended there.

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Bo H: So I'd like to start with a few points, and then, Vic, you could take it away after me.

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Bo H: Good.

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vicki fisk: Okay.

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Bo H: To me. I think the first.st

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Bo H: Your most important issue in planning a garden is location, location, location. Where are you going to put it

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Bo H: ideally. Most vegetables and and fruits

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Bo H: need at least 6 h of sun.

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Bo H: and you always have to have access to water. You don't want to be putting your garden out in the middle of a field when you, where you don't have any kind of irrigation, or a hose that reaches, or whatever. So you always want to make sure you have access to water. I'll give you a little a short story of my own experience. I lived

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Bo H: in a town called Cuna, which is south of Boise. I had about an acre of land, and I I put a garden in.

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Bo H: and the very back north, east corner of it. So it was south, facing.

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Bo H: So I've got full sun.

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Bo H: But I had to have an awfully long hose to water everything. We had forced irrigation. I think I mentioned this last time. Vicki

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Bo H: Cuna has irrigation water, and actually the whole Treasure valley has irrigation water.

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Bo H: and we would we had a

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Bo H: a box where the water came into the backyard at the very at the fence line, really close to my garden. So we actually dug a trench and we ran PVC. Pipe all the way from the the inbox to the garden, and then we put a

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Bo H: faucet on it, so I had water right there, so that is a really important issue. Make sure you have access to water

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Bo H: the soil again. We spoke about that last week is very important, and you always want to add organic material to feed your soil, and you can do that yearly. You can top off your vegetable and even some of your berry bushes. You can put some organic material around there. Vicky's talked about mulching, which is super important.

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Bo H: Then I wanted to mention, if you do not have the space for a garden. I don't.

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Bo H: I know Vicki's got a huge garden. I don't. I live in an apartment building. There's a few things you can do. You can look around your neighborhood and see if there's any neighbors, especially if you're good friends with them that have any area that you can garden and maybe split the harvest with them as a payoff for letting

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Bo H: for them, letting you use their land.

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Bo H: You can always look in your town if there's a community garden where you can actually lease a plot yearly.

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Bo H: That's an option, or what I do now is, I have a nice little sunny balcony. It's actually a patio

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Bo H: I put everything in pots. Everything that I grow here is in pots.

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Bo H: people saying that well, I don't have any land you could. You could put a tomato in a pot on your balcony. If you live in an apartment building like a high rise, you you do have space, you could put some herbs.

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Bo H: And then the last thing I wanted to say before I let you take it away, Vic, is you need to determine your growing zone. It's your plant hardiness zone, and I'm I'm going to write a little article and put it

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Bo H: on our bbs. Page. That's bbsradio.com forward, slash down and dirty

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Bo H: with some of the tips. From

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Bo H: from what we're talking about today, and I have a couple of books that I'd like to recommend. But

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Bo H: as far as determining your plant hardiness zone. So what does that mean? Do you have frost?

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Bo H: Do you have scorching sun, you? There's a a map on it's www plant hardiness

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Bo H: dot a RS.

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Bo H: That usda.gov.

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Bo H: and like I said, I will put that up on our page. But you can look on that, or even you can just Google, or or search for

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Bo H: what growing zone do I live in?

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Bo H: And it will tell you what to plant what you can plant when to plant it.

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Bo H: and etc. So, Vic, take it away.

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vicki fisk: Just to finish up on that 1 point about our what zone you're in?

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vicki fisk: If you are buying starts.

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vicki fisk: and they all have tags, you know, commercial tags, almost every plant.

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vicki fisk: We'll put the zone hardiness because nurseries sell a lot of things that will die in certain zones. But you know they're they're selling beautiful plants to make money, but we have been in Zone 5 forever. And then about 4 or 5 years ago, it changed to 5 and 6, due to

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vicki fisk: climate change, which is a real thing. The reasons that a lot of, anyway, we won't get into that.

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Bo H: Anyway, we live in.

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vicki fisk: To in in this particular area. We live in 2 zones now, which? You know. So we're right on the edge of moving into a hot, a hotter the bigger the number, the the warmer the zone is, the smaller the number way up north north is the coldest temperatures. So one thing I'd like to say about

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vicki fisk: planning your garden. If you do it on paper before you get going, I would identify what

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vicki fisk: you want to eat.

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vicki fisk: because if you're limited on space, it's really important. We get really Gung ho! In spring, because, oh, my gosh, I just want to plan everything I just want to eat everything. I want all my herbs, all my veggies, all my fruit, everything fresh. Well, that's a wonderful

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vicki fisk: desire. But sometimes it can be very unrealistic when we get into gardening, because if you're limited on space, or you just

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vicki fisk: want to see plants grow. But you don't really have that big of interest like.

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vicki fisk: you know, parsnips, I mean turnips, rutabagas, you know. I mean, there's certain things that I just. I don't have any interest in growing. Other people would have an interest in in eating those if you're able to share things that maybe you don't like. But for me, I really really get very serious about growing what it is that I want to eat.

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vicki fisk: and then I share everything with my family friends. And then I like, I said in our 1st show I do, csas where people pay me for bags of produce every year or every month.

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vicki fisk: or actually, it's every week.

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vicki fisk: Some some are bi-weekly. So

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vicki fisk: So that's really important in planning is is getting the varieties that thrive in your area. And also

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vicki fisk: getting really clear about what you love to eat and what you want to harvest.

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vicki fisk: And then, with the

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vicki fisk: I have a lot of stuff in pots. I have a lot of property to put stuff in the ground.

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vicki fisk: But I'm really scaling back on the amount of basil that I grow and that's going in a pot.

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vicki fisk: and I've got fennel growing in a pot I've got

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vicki fisk: I planted some holy basil which I've never grown before. I'm doing that in a pot so that I can really really pay attention to it.

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vicki fisk: And so a lot of my herbs are going to be in pots because some of them tend to really spread.

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vicki fisk: And I don't.

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vicki fisk: Oregano, and all your mints will take over your garden. So you just need to, you know. Kind of be careful with that kind of thing, and that's a learning curve, you know, if if you don't know about it, you can look a lot of these things up, or you can direct message us, and we can give you answers.

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vicki fisk: And we should. We should give our oh email address to people.

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Bo H: Our bbs go to bbsradio.com again.

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Bo H: and a forward slash down and dirty. And there is an email.

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Bo H: You can direct messages through the the radio station, and we will get it for sure, and we will. We will be more than happy to answer any questions that you have.

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Bo H: and can I? Can I put in here when you're talking about planning planning your garden on paper? You want to determine your square footage.

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Bo H: and it's a simple, simple formula. You take the width times, the length of your space that you want to

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Bo H: turn into a garden, and that equals your square foot, your square footage.

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Bo H: There's a really good book for people, it, people say, well, it's really good for beginners. It's actually good for anybody. A square foot gardening. And again I'll put this up on our site.

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vicki fisk: Hmm.

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Bo H: There's a book by a gentleman named Chauncey Cruz, Jr. Square, foot gardening and Companion Planting, and he tells you how to do it. There's a website called

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Bo H: Square Foot gardening.org. They also have a book.

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Bo H: and I know Vic's on the same page as I am on this. If you are a beginning gardener.

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Bo H: Start start small because you will.

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Bo H: You will be very successful if you don't overdo it again, Vicki said. You know you kind of go crazy when the seed catalogs come in or you go to the garden center, and you see all these beautiful seed packets

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Bo H: and beautiful starts. And you just want to put everything in. But if you start small and you're successful, your 1st garden, then pun intended. Grow your garden every year bigger and bigger. So you get exactly what you want.

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Bo H: But that's that's just a little tip. Got anything else to say on that, Vic.

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vicki fisk: Oh, going back to the watering. I'm fortunate that we have irrigation, and we've got a ditch that runs right behind our house, and then we've got my daughter and I live next door. We have. We share the cistern, and we have our pump there, so all of our stuff's on drip. We don't

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vicki fisk: broadcast spray any water, it's all on drip. So it goes right to the the roots, and there's no, you know, and when it's a hundred degrees out, you know. July, August, and parts of September. Your broadcast spraying a good part of that is evaporating. So we've we've done it this way.

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vicki fisk: But yeah, it's really important to

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vicki fisk: the mulching is the number one thing to help you conserve water

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vicki fisk: in in really dry, arid climates like, where I live. Bo. She lives not in an arid climate. It's more

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vicki fisk: yeah, mountain. And you got a lot. You have a lot more rain that comes across you than we do.

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Bo H: Yes.

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vicki fisk: So water conservation is super important in gardening, it is to me, because if you don't, if you're on city water.

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vicki fisk: you know you're paying for every gallon of water that you put out there. So water conservation becomes a really big deal in my mind. Anyway.

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Bo H: Are you familiar? I know you are Vic with Olas OLLA. S.

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vicki fisk: I don't think I don't know.

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Bo H: I know they use them in Mexico and Central America, and probably South America, too. They're a a clay pot

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Bo H: that you actually put into the soil, and you fill them up with water, and it disperses.

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vicki fisk: Oh, right right to the root zones.

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Bo H: Again. I also, no matter where you are. It's important to mulch, does it? Doesn't you mean.

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vicki fisk: in nature. It's always got a covering from leaves, dropping trees falling over, and decomposing grasses that have fallen over from wintertime, or have run their life cycle. And now they're growing new stuff, and everything's laying on top of the ground. That's mulching. It's the natural form of mulching. So this is just mimic. Trying to mimic

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Bo H: And then you were talking about starts having the zone that they're most compatible to when you go to your nursery, and the little tags say optimal for zone 7 or whatever.

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Bo H: and you take you cross, pollinate those, and that is hybridization. This is not a Gmo. It is not, it is a hybrid, is not a Gmo. I just want to make that very

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Bo H: anyway. On the back of the seed packet. It will tell you when to sow the seed, when how big it should be when you plant it out in your garden. Now it's kind of late, unless you live in Alaska, maybe, or you know, in the Yukon somewhere to start your seeds.

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Bo H: So this was more information for next year.

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Bo H: Kale, which will be great harvested in the fall, but you know you can start a lot of things.

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Bo H: What are some other things? Carrots, radishes. You can direct seed into the soil, and some things actually like carrots and radishes and beets.

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Bo H: which are a root vegetable prefer not to be started in a seed tray. They prefer to be direct sown right into the garden, but all that information is generally on the back of of the seed packet.

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vicki fisk: Yeah. People prefer to go and buy plants that are all already, have flowers on them, and plant them in their garden in April, and May. Well.

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vicki fisk: the plant actually goes into a little bit of shock when you put it into the ground. So it takes a week, 2 weeks, sometimes 3 weeks, to recover from tape being taken out of a pot into the ground, and all squashes, cucumbers, all kinds of squashes, pumpkins, you know

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Bo H: You just said something that made me smile about people wanting to. They go to the nursery center, and they see a plant with flowers on it, and they want to plant it, and we're talking vegetables. I'm not talking ornamentals right now, and they want to plant it.

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Bo H: and even though I had to order them and bring them in because of the company I worked for I tried to discourage people, but they just wouldn't last. Listen, I said, I bet I see you in a few weeks, and I saw so many of my return customers that way. I guess you know the company made more money. I didn't feel good about that, but I did try to warn them.

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Bo H: I also wanted to say in regards back to your hardiness zone like are you? What zone are you in? When should you plant? What and what have you.

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Bo H: Okay, so I'll take it back. I know. Vicki yesterday mentioned with sunshine that she saves a lot of her seeds

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Bo H: so plants that she grows some of her lettuces. She could tell you all that she did, and I did the same thing when I had land, or even when I was in the community garden, I would let some of my plants go to seed so I could save that seed back.

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Bo H: and then a local seed company. I'm not local there anymore. But Vic is our friend of ours, named Casey started a seed company called Snake River Seed Company again. It's local. So if Vicky wanted something she hadn't already grown, it would be appropriate for her to go to a local seed company again. They have like 35 people that are growing seeds for them. But she started small with her own garden. She you used to.

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Bo H: See Casey, she would, didn't have a car. She did everything, all of her gardening, her tools she had, like on her bike, with a trailer behind her. She's an awesome, awesome woman. So hat off to you, Casey.

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vicki fisk: I've got 3 different kinds of endive going, and it's up so I just can't wait. That's what I love the most is my green garden, because I love to eat the greens. They are the most nutrient rich vegetables you can get. So I really highly recommend being able to grow your greens, and they thrive in pots

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Bo H: So there are 2 different kinds of strawberries. There's June bearing and or everbearing. The June bear the June bearing come all on at once, and if you want to make jam, or can, or something like that, that's a really good kind that.

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vicki fisk: the smaller. Your strawberries are going to get from your mother plant because it's feeding all these runners. So that's another important thing with strawberries is to cut the runners off to to keep the mother plant really thriving, and then start the other ones. If you need to grow your patch, you've got the runners, which is free.

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vicki fisk: free multiplication there. I've never even seen a strawberry seeds, I mean, I've eaten them, but I've never seen one to plant. That's funny.

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Bo H: what they need as far as moisture, because all plants aren't the same, not every plant needs as much water as its neighbors. So that's another thing to consider is what you plant next to what?

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Bo H: And again, if you have questions, please feel free to ask. Pardon me.

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vicki fisk: I wanted to chime in on placement of things, and I know that we will do a whole show on permaculture. But one of the rules in or big, very prominent suggestions in permaculture is to the placement of the things that you're going to use daily herbs. You're going to tend to use daily.

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vicki fisk: so those can be in the pots, or they can be in the front. You know. You can just have a section with your Basil and your time, and your oregano, and the things that you really want to use daily very close to your door.

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vicki fisk: so that you just go out, snip, snip your chives and things.

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vicki fisk: and then you move in a progression. Your fruit trees need to be way back because they take a full season from bloom to harvest. So you don't want those close to your house or your back door. You want those far away because you're not going to visit those, except maybe 3 or 4 times a year. So you want to. Part of the succession planting is the appropriate place.

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vicki fisk: and this all comes from experience. But there's plenty of information on this, and we will do a permaculture thing, because

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vicki fisk: permaculture is

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vicki fisk: oh, my gosh! It's the most amazing it to me. It's 1 of the most amazing things that I've experienced. And I did go to a 2 week training 7,000 feet in Colorado and unbelievable. But everything was oriented towards

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vicki fisk: optimal optimal health, optimal water, optimal sunshine, and close proximity to level. Depending on your usage.

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vicki fisk: which I think is really it. It. It makes it so much easier

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vicki fisk: when you have it planned that way.

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Bo H: Don't you feel like using the permaculture way of gardening is more mimicking nature than.

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vicki fisk: Very much.

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Bo H: Nothing wrong with having straight rows. Believe me, there's like, Vicki said in the very beginning there's

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Bo H: a plethora of ways to grow a garden. But when you use permaculture methods you are more mimicking nature.

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Bo H: and you know from.

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Bo H: Yeah, I I'm chomping at the bit to get some land. Because I really.

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Bo H: yeah. Until then, my, my little, my little space is beautiful, and I love it, and I'm very thankful for it.

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vicki fisk: Well, not only are we nurturing our pots and our little small gardens, they're actually nurturing us to energy

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vicki fisk: clinically the the exchange. It's about this exchange between

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vicki fisk: what we're what we're involved with in nature and and what we give to it, and what what we receive from it is this symbiotic relationship. That's second to none, as far as I'm concerned, because

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vicki fisk: it shuts out so much of the distractions of our modern day world to just get in the zone of the one on one with your plants, and the air, and the sun, and the water, and the bugs and the birds, and

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vicki fisk: I mean. It's a whole ecosystem. It can be on your patio. It can be on your balcony. It can be on a little strip behind your house or along your fence, or it can be an acre or 2 or 10, so it's just it's a wonderful way to get get down and dirty, but get grounded.

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vicki fisk: get grounded because.

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Bo H: Around it.

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vicki fisk: Really, really, the earth will accept everything you have to offer. Walk brought barefoot, and just unclutter your mind

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vicki fisk: and be in the garden for 5 min or 5 h doesn't matter. It's all really beneficial.

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Bo H: It is. And actually, if you think about going back to

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Bo H: Prime Earth, or or the Garden of Eden, whatever you want to call it.

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Bo H: That's how we were meant to be.

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Bo H: Another thing I want to touch on really fast going back to the Anastasia ringing Cedar's book is she has a method where you actually

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Bo H: put the seeds you plant in your mouth.

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vicki fisk: So they.

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Bo H: Know you. They know you, you love them, they love you back, and every bad.

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Bo H: So how do you want to wrap it up, Vic. We're all well time.

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vicki fisk: Based on putting the seeds in your mouth.

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vicki fisk: Why would you do that? Because the saliva

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vicki fisk: and the seeds interact and the seeds now have your DNA on them. So when you plant them, they are actually growing personal medicine tailored to your DNA. It is the most amazing idea. So we can leave it at that. Maybe we do our show next week or next time. Anyway, those shows are coming. Just a dedication to permaculture a dedication to the ringing cedars.

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Bo H: Electroculture.

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vicki fisk: An electric culture which we haven't even talked about, which is another miracle lost.

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Bo H: And actually lost on purpose that was kind of hidden and taken away from us. My gosh! It is so powerful and so simple, so.

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vicki fisk: I look forward to that one.

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Bo H: All right, guys. Well, I guess on that note we will say adieu for this time and hopefully, next time you hear us, which will be in 2 weeks.

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Bo H: will be live from Boise, Idaho.

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Bo H: and we may have a special guest. We haven't figured that one out yet, but stay tuned. Oh, also, if you would like to support this channel and assist us in bringing you lots of information, we haven't even touched on canning recipes

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Bo H: everything that we love. And we just want to help as many people as we can. And on that note, Vicky, I'll say goodbye. I love you.

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vicki fisk: I love you, too. Thank you, and thank you everyone for listening, and we will talk at you soon. In the meantime get down and dirty in the soil. Don't be afraid.

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Bo H: Don't be afraid.