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[00:34] Speaker 3: Well, welcome everybody to the tropical state of Colorado.

[00:39] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[00:39] Speaker 3: Um, I'm Chuck Bonino. That's Julie Hagen.

[00:41] Speaker 2: (laughs)

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[00:52] Speaker 3: Hi, Iran.

[00:53] Speaker 2: ... here, here in a moment. Um, but wanted to start off with, um, a local Colorado Republican news, uh, because you don't really hear it anyplace else, right? No. And they all either pretend it's not going on, like Heidi Ganahl, like-

[01:05] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[01:05] Speaker 2: ... the television news outlet or Republican Party.

[01:06] Speaker 3: Is there already a Republican?

[01:08] Speaker 2: Yeah. (laughs) Um, or the, you know, the ansu controlled media, they largely ignore it too. But there is a big meeting tonight. It's a second meeting. We already had an SEC meeting where 90%, roughly half of the, uh, eligible 497 SEC members-

[01:26] Speaker 3: Potential.

[01:27] Speaker 2: ... attended, potential voters, 90% of them voted to demand that Brita, uh, Horn, the chair, resign.

[01:33] Speaker 3: Right.

[01:33] Speaker 2: Um, and, but Brita said that meeting didn't count, so she's having her own meeting, which we'll all now have to go attend tonight. Um, so that's sort of the big thing. Um, in the meantime, though, the other big news, and (laughs) you would think this would sink her, but given some of the Republicans in Congress-

[01:49] Speaker 3: You can't sink-

[01:52] Speaker 2: (laughs) Yeah.

[01:53] Speaker 3: ... a, a, a, a log.

[01:53] Speaker 2: That's true.

[01:53] Speaker 3: How do you sink a log?

[01:55] Speaker 2: Oh, if it's s- if the ship's already at the bottom of the sea-

[01:57] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right.

[01:58] Speaker 2: ... you can't, you can't sink it more. Um, and, and we got Ray Garcia, so we may bring him on here. Ray, let me just kind of, in the meantime, what has come out, one of the worst things about Brita, whether you like her or don't like her, whether you-

[02:09] Speaker 3: And if you like her, we want to know who you are-

[02:11] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[02:11] Speaker 3: ... because we got to send a paddy wagon out to get you and have you interned.

[02:15] Speaker 2: Your grassroots or your establishment, whatever it is, I think everybody is appalled at what Brita has done to the financial state of the Republican Party. When she took over less than a year ago, she had 40 thou- or $74,000 in the bank. Um, in that time, she has plunged the party. Not only did you go through that, the party is, as of January, and the reports came out last week, some $267,000 in debt, okay?

[02:43] Speaker 3: With no capacity to get out of it.

[02:44] Speaker 2: No capacity to pay. She put us, uh, and, and it's not as if she's stopping, right? In the month of January alone, Brita Horn plunged the party $69,000 further into debt. She's-

[02:58] Speaker 3: Yay.

[02:58] Speaker 2: ... she's going at a rate of $2,800 a day in debt. At this rate, the Colorado Republican Party will be a million dollars in debt by the end of her term.

[03:07] Speaker 3: We, we can do it. We can make-

[03:08] Speaker 2: (laughs) Yeah.

[03:08] Speaker 3: ... our million-dollar goal.

[03:09] Speaker 2: (laughs) It's like the opposite, right?

[03:11] Speaker 3: Kind of. Yeah, below the line. I don't know whether we're achieving it.

[03:15] Speaker 2: Now, most of that has been the result of her vindictive, unnecessary losing law affair strategy, um, that she's waged against fellow Republicans, um, which she's lost. Ev- ev- oh, the c- uh, let me back up. The court has said they weren't going to, they weren't going to decide. They didn't rule on the merits of either case.

[03:33] Speaker 3: So she spent all her time trying to get attorneys' fees-

[03:35] Speaker 2: Trying to get attorneys' fees.

[03:36] Speaker 3: ... for a case in which the court could, I don't know. Actually.

[03:39] Speaker 2: You don't get attorneys' fees. In the meantime, though, in the month ... So Klinda already, her personal attorney, Steve Klinda, had already billed the party some roughly, uh, you know, roughly I think $167,000, something like that. Well, in the month of January alone, he billed the party $84,000.

[03:59] Speaker 3: And that's really just for him. He doesn't have any associates or younger clerks.

[04:03] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[04:04] Speaker 3: It's all for him.

[04:05] Speaker 2: He does.

[04:05] Speaker 3: And, and now that has got him to be, to be nominated for the Lawyer Hall of Fame for billing clients or saying this. And not only did that, he took out 15,000 in cash, when other than the, what contributed to the Republican Party by the RNC, that's all the cash.

[04:23] Speaker 2: Right.

[04:23] Speaker 3: That's all the cash that came in.

[04:24] Speaker 2: All raised, really.

[04:25] Speaker 3: He took all that, and then he load- larded on another $84,000 of new billings, uh, for himself.

[04:34] Speaker 2: So the Co- And he says the Colorado Republican Party now, he's now demanding that the party pay him $211,000, okay? I mean, it-

[04:40] Speaker 3: Send your money right away.

[04:42] Speaker 2: Send your money right away because, you know, Klinda needs it. I mean, it's, that's almost unimaginable how that could have happened. Now, I see we've got the, uh, chairman of the Colorado, who has spe- uh, Hi- Hispanic-

[04:51] Speaker 3: Republicans.

[04:52] Speaker 2: ... Republicans, Ray Garcia, who's the one who filed the original petition to hold the meeting, and now we're having two meetings. So I don't know, Ray, if you are, uh, listening, you want to go ahead and unmute yourself, and we can bring you in. There, yay. So, Ray, this is, um, let me, while we're, while we're on-

[05:08] Speaker 3: One more thing.

[05:09] Speaker 2: ... one, one more thing before we get to the petition, so we already talked about Klinda billing the party $84,000 for January. He knows they're broke. And now, uh, February, and now we're in March, and he's still, I am, I'm assuming he's communicating with you right over this whole petition issue. So he's still billing the party probably for work that-

[05:28] Speaker 3: Well, he's representing anybody. He's representing, and his newest lawsuit, it's, uh, it's, he's usually a double banker. This is a triple banker. He's representing the parta- party. He's representing his personal client, Brita, and he's representing himself apparently, because he's-

[05:45] Speaker 2: (laughs) That's how he can get so much billing in.

[05:46] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. He, he, he can-

[05:47] Speaker 2: Those feature.

[05:47] Speaker 3: Yeah. So it-

[05:48] Speaker 2: But, Ray, let me ask, am I, are we right in that, that, that, um, Steve Klinda, go ahead and unmute yourself again. We started to ask a question, then we babbled. Um, but, uh, he, Steve Klinda, he's still billing the party for work clearly that he's doing, right? Uh-oh. Did we lose you, Ray?

[06:05] Speaker 3: His phone's turned off, I think, so it looks-

[06:07] Speaker 2: Uh, uh, yeah, his line is muted.

[06:08] Speaker 3: ... like it's not there.

[06:08] Speaker 2: Okay, Ray, if you want to go ahead and unmute yourself, um, we can, we can talk about that. But Ray is the one who filed the initial petition.

[06:15] Speaker 3: And the lawsuit.

[06:16] Speaker 2: And the lawsuit. Well, trying to force Brita Horne into accepting-

[06:19] Speaker 3: Call the meeting, yeah.

[06:19] Speaker 2: ... yeah, into accepting the, the, the meeting, which she finally agreed she has to do, right? Um, but what, let me ask you a little bit, because I want to talk about this and get-

[06:28] Speaker 3: Go ahead, Ray, unmute yourself. Yeah, yeah, Ray.

[06:29] Speaker 2: Ray, just unmute yourself. We can see when you do, so he might be-

[06:32] Speaker 3: Then we can catch it, right.

[06:33] Speaker 2: Maybe, yeah. He might be conducting business. There's a big meeting tonight-

[06:36] Speaker 3: There's, yeah-

[06:36] Speaker 2: ... as we mentioned.

[06:37] Speaker 3: ... that's true.

[06:37] Speaker 2: But, so you're an attorney.

[06:38] Speaker 3: I'm an attorney.

[06:39] Speaker 2: This is not a capital murder case where, you know, he's billing, you know, he's working around the clock to save his client's life. Oh, there you are, Ray.

[06:47] Speaker 3: There we are.

[06:48] Speaker 2: Are you there, Ray? Nope, not yet. Okay. Um, where he's, where he's working to save his client's life around the clock, right? He's just-

[06:58] Speaker 3: Well, he, he's killing the client (whispers) anyway.

[07:00] Speaker 2: Uh, he's, he's just fairly emotionless. I mean, one of the... He's already under an ethics investigation by the Colorado, um, okay, by the Colorado Office of Attorney Regulation, right? Um, as an attorney, if... So if you're representing a, a client like the Colorado Republican Party-

[07:15] Speaker 3: Mm.

[07:15] Speaker 2: ... um, and-

[07:17] Speaker 3: Who has no money.

[07:19] Speaker 2: ... who has no money, who's bankrupt and already owes you $211,000, what's the, what's the ethical situation of continuing to bill somebody like that?

[07:28] Speaker 3: Well, the key is, is getting as much money before the client expires. That's the key.

[07:33] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[07:33] Speaker 3: The key is continuing to bill, bill and, and loot the, whatever's left in the Republican Party for himself and his, of course, his good friend, the, the chair. Um, so it's the key. He's doing both. You gotta... He's not just billing, but he's taking what little cash the party has and has raised for himself.

[07:52] Speaker 2: Now as a lawyer, what you, what you advice be, number one, you're kind of concerned, saying, "Look, you already owe me $211,000 and I don't know how you're going to pay it." Wouldn't you say, "You, you need to quit filing lawsuits"? "You need to... (laughs) You know, you can't..." I mean, as an attorney, I mean, seriously, what would the ethical thing b- be to do in a situation like this?

[08:10] Speaker 3: Th- The ethical thing to do is, is, well, he should have done a long time ago. He's so far into the quagmire.

[08:16] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[08:17] Speaker 3: But it would have been months and months ago, before he was billing all these huge amounts, often which is about himself, was just go down the hall and hire somebody else to represent the party on a lawsuit in which your personal client, uh, brought this also. So just to hire somebody that he could avoid all this money, all this thing. Today, I don't know. You know, what do you do? You got no chance of really getting paid, um, and, and, uh-

[08:45] Speaker 2: You know what? So, Ray, Ray, we'll go ahead and bring you in. I mean, to me, again, looking at Klenda billing 84,000, even if you were a Brita supporter before, s- and, and he's continuing to work for the party, so he's continuing to bill. I, I mean, this absolutely, it does mean something has to be done-

[09:01] Speaker 4: Sure, then.

[09:01] Speaker 2: ... to tell her to stop doing this, right?

[09:04] Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely. That's the whole, that's the whole reason we have this lawsuit going, so.

[09:09] Speaker 2: And he's-

[09:10] Speaker 4: So-

[09:11] Speaker 2: Oh, go ahead. Go ahead.

[09:12] Speaker 4: As to the lawsuit, I, uh, so Klenda has been avoiding service. Uh, he, every time we've tried to get him somewhere so he would be served or he won't answer his door or nothing like that. So he's been avoiding service. And I can't talk to him as a lawyer, because he has not entered, um, an appearance on the, the case and is avoiding service.

[09:36] Speaker 2: (laughs) But he's still apparently sending emails around, so I'm sure he's billing the party for that. I mean, it's just-

[09:43] Speaker 4: Sure.

[09:43] Speaker 2: ... at, at what point, I, I mean, I, I, how... Le- let me ask you, $84,000 (laughs) he bills this legal-

[09:50] Speaker 4: That is unbelievable.

[09:52] Speaker 2: Yeah, legal. Now you are the person on the other side of that lawsuit. Ray, did you bill $84,000? I mean, what's in it? I mean... (laughs)

[10:01] Speaker 4: No, no, but I think I should, don't you?

[10:03] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[10:03] Speaker 3: Absolutely.

[10:04] Speaker 4: I mean, if that's-

[10:05] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[10:05] Speaker 3: Uh-

[10:05] Speaker 4: If that's the thing, I can get $84,000 for last month, heck yes, I'm gonna do that.

[10:09] Speaker 2: And, and let me ask you this. Roughly how many... I mean, were you filing 80 motions a day that he was being forced to respond to? I mean, it doesn't sound like it was a massively bus- Like I said, it wasn't like a capital murder case where he's got all kinds of stuff going on.

[10:24] Speaker 4: Yeah. No, it, it was, it's a very simple case. There's only f- uh, three points to it, and, uh, well, four points to it. And, I mean, there's, it's, it's a really simple case, but they just avoid everything on it, so.

[10:36] Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, let me-

[10:38] Speaker 4: Yeah, it's-

[10:38] Speaker 2: Let me, let me ask you about the meeting tonight. Um, because I know there's some people who maybe were like, "Hey, we were at the meeting last week, so I don't want to do this." To me, it's crucial that people be on this meeting tonight. Do, don't you think?

[10:49] Speaker 4: Absolutely. Yes, it's absolutely crucial that there's... So that we can send a, a, a clear, concise message that it is done, because she can't... And I know there's gonna be... They're gonna play their games of, uh, um, putting in all kinds of people that don't ex- that aren't at the meeting, but they're gonna have them in there as, um, being at the meeting so that they can rig the numbers.

[11:11] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[11:11] Speaker 4: So we're, we're trying everything we can. Um, they were... I, I made a request last week, um, s- the petitioner. I made a request that I wanted four, at least four watchers with admin ability on tonight's meeting. Um, that was to Alec, um-

[11:27] Speaker 3: Hannah.

[11:27] Speaker 4: ... uh, Hannah.

[11:30] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[11:30] Speaker 4: Sure. He, he said he had to check first, and then he called back and said, "Yeah, okay. You can have four watchers." And, uh, and that's when I said, "Well, they have to have admin ability." "Oh, yeah, sure, sure." That's the last I heard, and I called him and-

[11:43] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[11:43] Speaker 4: ... and then called him, and he's not responding. Um, I sent him a list of the four people I request to have admin ability for the watchers. Haven't heard anything back from them, haven't hear- um, from him on them. Um-

[11:56] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[11:57] Speaker 4: Told him to contact Cody LeBlanc, who is one of the ones I want on there, and he never contacted Cody. Several other people have tried to contact him about this, and he's not responding. So they're gonna play games. As soon as, I think it was as soon as he found out that I wanted admin ability on their, their watch- on my watchers-... so that they could go and make sure no malfeasance is going on. That's when he clammed up and said, "Oh, I think they just took out their, um, the, what we were gonna try and pull," you know?

[12:25] Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I-

[12:26] Speaker 4: But they-

[12:26] Speaker 2: Once again, it's like, you know, you, you, for people who maybe c-can go to the meeting, I agree with you, I don't have a lot of confidence that they're going to run it.

[12:35] Speaker 4: No, I, I can't either. I can't imagine how.

[12:35] Speaker 2: Because why... Otherwise, why didn't they just use the last meeting, right? If, if they were-

[12:39] Speaker 4: Right.

[12:39] Speaker 2: If it was going to be a straightforward, honest meeting, they could have just used the last one. There's only one reason they wanted to hold this one, and that's just because they want to play games with it. But I still think, I, I, I, it's, it sends a clear message, and even that, even more so, again, the, going back to the, the fact that in one month she plunged the party another $69,000 in debt. Like we said, she, she, it's, she's going $2,800 a day we're going into debt as a party. You, how... We can't... I don't even know how you begin to get out of that.

[13:10] Speaker 4: Yeah, uh, that's a, that's a quagmire we ain't ever going to get out of. So-

[13:15] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[13:15] Speaker 4: But that's what the lawsuit is addressing, because everything that, uh, Klenda is billing after the 23rd is, it's void. He can't-

[13:25] Speaker 2: Right.

[13:26] Speaker 4: ... care for the Colorado GOP. We voted him out.

[13:28] Speaker 2: Right.

[13:28] Speaker 5: We go... Well, we voted him out months and months and months ago.

[13:31] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[13:31] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[13:32] Speaker 4: On the 23rd, September 23rd.

[13:33] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[13:34] Speaker 4: And anything after that, he's done. He can't get... He can't collect anything on it.

[13:38] Speaker 2: Well, which is why Brita will never resign. And another thing, too, we should explain to people, and I want to kind of get you to weigh in on this, this has no real force, right? Brita d- it's not a recall vote. That's a whole different ball game, and she would fight that too. So Brita can and will, I'm sure, ignore this just like she ignored the other one. But, but what-

[13:55] Speaker 4: Are you talking about the third point?

[13:58] Speaker 2: Well, I, uh, yeah, yes, exactly. The, the resi- the demand for her resignation. Um, what... But I think it's important that people get on there and send that message, don't you? Because, uh, you know-

[14:09] Speaker 4: Yes.

[14:09] Speaker 2: Okay, and what-

[14:10] Speaker 4: Well, not, not only that, but that's the third point. We have two other points on that, the same thing we voted on last 21st.

[14:17] Speaker 2: Okay.

[14:17] Speaker 4: Um, uh, yeah, there, there's three points that we voted on.

[14:20] Speaker 2: Okay.

[14:21] Speaker 4: The ending the, ending the lawfare against Republicans by the Colorado GOP, Brita, um, uh, stopping any, uh, payments until she can come up with the money that she's saying that we owe, so-

[14:35] Speaker 2: Right. Yeah.

[14:36] Speaker 4: Reigning, reigning Brita in basically is what we're trying to do.

[14:39] Speaker 2: Right. Right. Well, and what do you think? So here's another thing that happened over the weekend. Brita launched... I don't even know what we would call it. Basically what happened is, is she hacked into the emails of her, of her fellow elected officials, um, Russ Andrews and Richard Holtorf, and released this... It kind of reads like The Sting, the movie The Sting, um, um, AI-generated report, cybersecurity report, and, you know, reading all these emails, and the gist of it is she says, "Oh, there was this nefarious plot to sabotage me."

[15:10] Speaker 5: "People don't want me as chair. Can you believe that?"

[15:14] Speaker 2: (laughs) And-

[15:14] Speaker 5: "Look at the temerity of these people."

[15:17] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[15:17] Speaker 2: It's kind of like this was... I mean, there was nothing done in secret, right? It's like, yeah, everybody knew this. Russ Andrews talked about it publicly. You talked about it. She goes, "And these people exchanged emails."

[15:28] Speaker 5: And then they even communicated with one another.

[15:30] Speaker 2: I mean, what do you... I mean, so-

[15:31] Speaker 5: Without including me.

[15:33] Speaker 2: (laughs) It's like-

[15:33] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[15:34] Speaker 2: ... it's not sabotage. We're openly trying to get rid of you. It's not... You know, that's, (laughs) that's-

[15:38] Speaker 5: (laughs)

[15:38] Speaker 2: I mean, what did you make... It was just, like, pathetic, I thought.

[15:42] Speaker 4: Oh, yeah. How dare we talk?

[15:44] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[15:46] Speaker 5: (laughs)

[15:46] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[15:46] Speaker 2: (coughs)

[15:46] Speaker 4: And she's not talking to anybody.

[15:49] Speaker 2: No.

[15:49] Speaker 5: No. See, that's the thing.

[15:51] Speaker 2: Uh-

[15:51] Speaker 4: She doesn't talk to any of us, and we're not allowed to talk about her behind her back. So I guess-

[15:56] Speaker 5: That's true. Of course.

[15:56] Speaker 4: Who knows?

[15:56] Speaker 2: (laughs) But it wasn't behind her back. It was in front of her. (laughs) You know-

[16:00] Speaker 4: Yes. Blatantly.

[16:02] Speaker 5: (laughs)

[16:02] Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like, and so she's spending I don't know how much time and money, you know, um-

[16:07] Speaker 5: Not a lot of money because she doesn't have any.

[16:08] Speaker 2: Right, yeah, getting some cybersecurity firm, but it, it's kind of like... And in none of it does she address the fact... You know, she attacks Russ Andrews, but she doesn't address what Russ's problem is, and that's that she's spending all of this money. She can't talk to her. She can't... You, you know, he was once one of her biggest supporters, right? And obviously she's-

[16:27] Speaker 5: Help select with her, the last elected official with her, um, in her famous, uh, victory.

[16:33] Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, what... I, I don't know. Do you... I don't think that's going to sway anybody at any rate. Do you?

[16:39] Speaker 4: I can't see how it would.

[16:41] Speaker 2: No.

[16:41] Speaker 4: So-

[16:42] Speaker 5: Well, she-

[16:42] Speaker 4: Everybody who has seen it swayed has swayed against Brita.

[16:46] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[16:46] Speaker 4: And it's just the hard cores that are, uh... You know, like I said, ne- I've always said never underestimate the lengths a liberal will go to revel in their ignorance. These guys are just reveling in their ignorance.

[16:57] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I, I don't... To me, like I said, it's, yes, there's always been this grassroots establishment, Ryan, whatever you want to call it, divide, but this goes far beyond that. It's like e- even if you... I mean, I would think... Well, we, we've heard. The congressional representatives who, for the most part, don't get much more establishment, right, have apparently reached out and asked her to resign too. I mean, they're dismayed at it. They're not weighing in publicly on it, but, um, it, it's, it's the, the disaster that the party is. She can't raise any money. She's not going to be able to raise any money, and somebody else... And I know that'll, you know, become a major thing, but that's step two. I think we just have to stop the bleeding, I guess, is what I would say.

[17:38] Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, but, well, who would, who would donate knowing it was just going to go to Kat K- or I mean, uh, Klenda anyway?

[17:45] Speaker 2: Right. Right. Um, well, let me... So how long... Your, your just, I guess, your thoughts on this meeting tonight.

[17:52] Speaker 4: For tonight?

[17:53] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[17:53] Speaker 4: We're hoping it's going to be a really quick one if we have, uh... If I have my ducks in a row, we're going to make it pretty quick meeting. But they're going to try everything they can to, uh, deny us everything on it, uh, just like they always did. Remember last time, uh, we had, she had a Zoom meeting. She refused to call on me because I was going to call for a roll call vote.

[18:13] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[18:13] Speaker 4: So she refused to call on me, refused to call on me, and then when she got called out by many people saying, "Why aren't you calling on Ray?" she finally called on me, and then miraculously-... my mic wouldn't un-mute, so I-

[18:25] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[18:25] Speaker 3: Amazing how these malfunctions work. All of a sudden-

[18:28] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[18:28] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[18:28] Speaker 3: ... the treasurer is try-, or the secretary is trying to get in his email and it didn't work because it's being, uh-

[18:34] Speaker 2: Hacked. (laughs)

[18:35] Speaker 3: ... hacked.

[18:35] Speaker 4: Uh-huh.

[18:36] Speaker 3: By Britta and her sleuthing team.

[18:38] Speaker 2: (laughs) Wow.

[18:39] Speaker 4: Isn't that, isn't that miraculous? It's just amazing, you know?

[18:43] Speaker 2: Right, right. A- and again, she doesn't ever address, well why would two of her biggest supporters, her vice-chair and her secretary all of a sudden want to call for resignations? It's, it's just because they're trying to-

[18:54] Speaker 3: Try and figure that out.

[18:54] Speaker 2: ... they're trying to sabotage her. And it goes back to her dictator thing, right? Anyone who disagrees with her, anyone who questions her, she just, she immediately just tries to destroy him, to trash him, they're sabotaging her. She can't ever stop and say, "Well, maybe I should tell Clenda just, you know, don't go after them." (laughs) You know, just, just drop it, but that doesn't enter her mind I don't think, huh?

[19:17] Speaker 4: Mm-mm.

[19:17] Speaker 3: Well what they did get a- if you take today's announcement, they got two other, uh, Republicans there to actually act as assistants to people. Tony Van Burber is one, and I forget who the other is. Kind of like the last two women standing.

[19:32] Speaker 2: Here's my, here's, yeah, that raises my question. So will Russ and Richard be in, I mean, technically they're still the sec- even though-

[19:38] Speaker 3: Russ, I mean Richard is not.

[19:39] Speaker 2: Richard is not. But is, is, um, will Russ Andrews as the secretary, will he have a role in this meeting or does he even know? (laughs) I mean, he knows about it, was Britta even commun- what, you know, communicating with him?

[19:51] Speaker 4: Yeah, I highly doubt they're gonna let him have any kind of role in it. They're, they're gonna shut him out. I'm sure it'll be a, uh, technical glitch, of course.

[19:59] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[20:00] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[20:00] Speaker 3: That's what often happens.

[20:01] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[20:01] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[20:02] Speaker 2: Well, and as a secretary, shouldn't he be recording the results of the meeting, right?

[20:06] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[20:06] Speaker 4: Could be, yeah.

[20:08] Speaker 3: They're not gonna allow that.

[20:10] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[20:11] Speaker 4: No.

[20:11] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[20:12] Speaker 2: All right. Well, we'll s-

[20:13] Speaker 4: And then-

[20:13] Speaker 2: Ray, thanks.

[20:13] Speaker 4: And who's-

[20:14] Speaker 2: Oh, go ahead.

[20:14] Speaker 4: Yeah, the, the other thing is who's gonna be chairing the meeting because one of the items is Britta, and she shouldn't be chairing the meeting if it's a vote against her.

[20:24] Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm guessing Richard Tech. Wh- who are you guessing?

[20:28] Speaker 4: Uh, yeah, I have no clue.

[20:31] Speaker 3: Okay.

[20:31] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[20:31] Speaker 4: Um...

[20:32] Speaker 2: Well, I could chair, just saying, I can chair it.

[20:34] Speaker 3: I can do it. I'm the only, I'm only, I'm only one who likes me, so.

[20:36] Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, you know, there are people trying to sabotage me, so. (laughs) It's like, "No, we're trying to oust you."

[20:41] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. Uh-huh.

[20:41] Speaker 2: Sabotage would be severe. (laughs) All right, Ray, we'll let you go. Thank you for all your work on this.

[20:47] Speaker 3: Bye, Ray.

[20:47] Speaker 2: And we'll talk to you on Wednesday. We'll see what comes up.

[20:49] Speaker 3: Bye. Same, same of good things happen.

[20:50] Speaker 4: Love you guys. Thank you.

[20:51] Speaker 2: All right, thank you.

[20:52] Speaker 3: Bye-bye.

[20:52] Speaker 2: Ray Garcia there, so yeah, we'll report on that, um, on Wednesday, um, who kn- and by now, by then, I mean, we'll be, what that's another two days, so it'd be another five, you know, almost $6,000 in debt-

[21:03] Speaker 3: In debt, yeah.

[21:03] Speaker 2: ... by then, so. Um, but I want to talk about then, um, switching gears to national, to, um, Iran. Um, I think everybody was kind of surprised except particularly Iran. Oh, th- f- w- here, this is kind of funny. My, this is funny, then we'll talk seriously.

[21:17] Speaker 3: Okay.

[21:17] Speaker 2: So somebody was tweeting, so Trump was asked, "Who takes over now that the Supreme Leader of Iran is dead?" And Trump said, "I don't know. I guess the position's open. I'm creating jobs in Iran now too."

[21:28] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[21:29] Speaker 2: Got to love Trump. So your take on it?

[21:32] Speaker 3: My take on it. Well, I, I, I have to say I've, you know, like a lot of these things, I'm ambivalent. One, you know, Iran has since 1979 been calling for death to America, hostages. They had sent, uh, proxy wars out there in, in the Houthis, in the Hezbollah, Hamas, also sent ones into, into Iraq who made IUDs, IEDs-

[22:00] Speaker 2: Yeah. (laughs)

[22:00] Speaker 3: ... uh, for the troops, against the troops, and they've also been in Syria. Um, and so getting rid of the Ayatollah Iran is a good idea. I mean, it just, just for world peace. (laughs) Uh, but, you know, uh, we do seem to be led around, uh, by the nose ring by, uh, Netanyahu and, and Israel. I mean, we know who's really gonna be the super beneficiary, which is gonna be Israel. Um, I've kind of come to the conclusion after watching Mike Huckabee, um, and, and Ted Cruz and everything else that, you know, we were allowed the illusion that, that Eli- uh, um, Israel was our ally and not our boss. But I've come to the conclusion that Israel is our boss, and we might as well just live with it. Let them do what they want to in telling us what to do. What's gonna happen? Who knows? I mean, they seem to be, they seem to be willing to want to keep on going, so, you know, that we'll be bombing for two or three weeks.

[23:02] Speaker 3: Uh, they've killed, reportedly, tens of thousands of their own people out in the streets. Surprised anybody else is willing to go out on the streets. Uh, but there doesn't seem to be anybody to replace them. I mean, the son of the prior Shah has indicated he'd do it, but not-

[23:18] Speaker 2: Temporarily, I think.

[23:19] Speaker 3: Well, temporarily. Well, I mean-

[23:20] Speaker 2: Well, of course, they all say that. I would say that too.

[23:21] Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody says that. I'll be take- oh, yeah, sure. Um, so I, I really don't know where it's gonna go. Since I don't know where it's gonna go, it's hard to be... I mean, I think we all learned, I, I was a supporter, like almost everybody else in the first Iraq war, um, and I kind of liked, boy, that was stupid of you.

[23:37] Speaker 2: Right.

[23:37] Speaker 3: Um, and, and now it's hard to kind of like, yeah, yeah, yay.

[23:42] Speaker 2: I think you're, you're right. And, and I think, you know, uh, you know, hopefully it, I, 'cause I, I look at it a little differently than you. I mean, just not significantly, but sort of like you. I don't wanna say ambivalent, it's, it's kind of like, the way I look at, like you said, they've been chanting death to America for like 50 years, and they mean it. I was thinking it'd be like this. It's like if you're, if you know a neighbor a couple houses down was building a gun and learning how to shoot a gun, and he kept telling you, "As soon as I get the gun done-

[24:07] Speaker 3: Okay.

[24:07] Speaker 2: ... I'm gonna come over to your house and kill you."

[24:08] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.

[24:09] Speaker 2: Right? Now would you wait until he was standing-

[24:12] Speaker 3: Not until I have...

[24:12] Speaker 2: ... in your living room?

[24:13] Speaker 3: ... a timing mechanism for that? He had the trigger. Is that good

[24:16] Speaker 2: Yeah. Or a- at what point would you go and try to take the gun away, right? Or do something about it? So I think, and, and as we've had Robert Spencer and numerous times saying, you know, the liberals all think, oh, they're just kidding when they chant death to America, and it's like, they're not, right? They, y- other presidents have, you know, we've tried to, sanctions, we've tried, Barack Obama sent them pallets of money to not build nuclear weapons, and every time the Iranians say, "Okay, no we won't. We swear. You know, pinky swear, pinky swear we're not gonna..." And then they do, right?

[24:45] Speaker 3: And then they send all the pallets of money.... to Hamas and-

[24:48] Speaker 2: And they used the money, exactly.

[24:50] Speaker 3: ... to Hezbollah.

[24:50] Speaker 2: And, and so diplomacy hasn't worked, sanctions haven't worked. It-

[24:54] Speaker 3: Bombing hasn't worked.

[24:55] Speaker 2: Bomb... And look-

[24:55] Speaker 3: So I think we're having some more bombing.

[24:57] Speaker 2: Well, and I think it's like the toddler, when you keep telling him, "Don't touch that," or, you know, "You're gonna get, uh, you know, you're gonna get in, in time out," and you never put him in time out. And Iran, I think, is... You know, it, it... How do I... The Trump administration, you know, it, it kind of falls into this, you know, what do you believe or who do you believe? It's like, well, there's an imminent attack, or they're doing this. But clearly, Iran, it seems, has ill will toward the United States, and, as it turns out, just about everybody. And I think somebody had to do something, and that something, the somebody was Trump, finally, which he said he would do.

[25:27] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[25:27] Speaker 2: And the something was, essentially, take it out. So what I understand, I mean, Hegseth said, um... And they seem to be running a pretty tight ship, by the way, again. Um, Hegs- Hegseth said that they're, um, you know, they wanna destroy the navy, which they've done. They had a... What I was reading-

[25:41] Speaker 3: That went hard.

[25:42] Speaker 2: ... 11 ships in the Gulf of Hormuz.

[25:44] Speaker 3: That's, that's it.

[25:44] Speaker 2: Now it's zero.

[25:45] Speaker 3: Now it's zero.

[25:46] Speaker 2: Um-

[25:46] Speaker 3: Maybe.

[25:47] Speaker 2: ... take out s- you know... They were building defense, uh, shields, so to speak, with, you know, drones and things like that, and radar, to protect the nuclear arsenal, so they take, they're taking that out. And then to make sure that they can't, you know, build any more nuclear weapons, or build any nuclear weapons. Um, and I think, uh, uh, I'm s- you know, to me, it's like, you're right, th- then the big question always becomes, well, who takes over next? And that's, I think, where things could get messy, huh, and probably will. But, um, in the meantime, I, I guess I would be, um, somewhat supportive of the fact that the president finally did it. I mean, you can't have everybody in place before you do that, right?

[26:26] Speaker 2: Um, because then everyone'd say, "Oh-"

[26:27] Speaker 3: Well, you can, but, but-

[26:29] Speaker 2: But then they'd say, "Guess what? We're attacking Iran tomorrow, they're not gonna be the head of it till..." Yeah, uh, you know what I mean? It's... And they did a good job. I mean, they didn't, it didn't leak. They told the gang of eight. Um, so, you know... And then meanwhile, the people, the women in Iran, everybody's happy. Iranians all over are happy. So it's kind of hard, but that doesn't-

[26:45] Speaker 3: Well, some are happy, not all of them.

[26:46] Speaker 2: Well, th- yeah, right. Um, but, uh, yeah, the mi- military.

[26:49] Speaker 3: I think it comes down to the, the urban middle class, um, to the extent they're not dependent upon the regime, are very much against it, uh, repressive. Most-

[27:00] Speaker 2: They're in favor of what Trump gets.

[27:01] Speaker 3: ... whis- women, non-traditional women, or whatever you want to call it, do not always love wearing burqas and being prohibited from doing lots of things. They're all against it. So there are a lot of people against it. Then again, the highly conservative, ultra orthodox, uh, Islamic ones are for it, and that includes most of the, uh, Republican Guards. They got a quarter million people of that, and they got these other-

[27:22] Speaker 2: Well, plus the Republican G- Guard, I don't, I don't know. I would question how much religion falls into it as much as they had a pretty cushy role over there, right? I mean-

[27:30] Speaker 3: Well, not so much now. Uh-

[27:31] Speaker 2: Well, no, but before. I mean, I could see why, you know, uh, religion is fine.

[27:35] Speaker 3: Well, they didn't, they d- they didn't have it during the Iran-Iraq War-

[27:38] Speaker 2: Right.

[27:38] Speaker 3: ... where half a million people were killed, and lo- including lots of the Revolutionary Guard. Um, but it's, it's, it's a mess. They're all a mess. Everybody is lost. You know, one time, Bush was, uh, chortling, uh, with the help of the neocons, "We're gonna turn the Mideast into this wonderful liberal democracy," then they find out, no, you really can't just take a truly multicultural society and turn it into a liberal democracy.

[28:05] Speaker 3: Because whoever-

[28:06] Speaker 2: This is what I called authoritarian.

[28:07] Speaker 3: ... takes control, you know, wants to do everything for themselves and nothing for anybody else. There's gotta be at least a community of feeling that, "Yeah, we're all this, and while maybe we disagree with things, we still-"

[28:19] Speaker 2: Wanna do what's best for Iran.

[28:20] Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. You know?

[28:22] Speaker 2: Yeah. I was reading an interesting thing, uh, 'cause I think a l- a lot of people, um, were surprised, and I, I get the impression even, to a certain extent, the Trump administration, by, like, Iran kind of seemed to go berserk, right? All of a sudden, they're shooting drones at Dubai and luxury hotels. They're, they're attacking all of their neighbors, right? And I, I, initially I was thinking, well, those neighbors probably would have, Saudi Arabia, you know, might have been content to maybe be secretly happy.

[28:48] Speaker 3: Line up the-

[28:48] Speaker 2: Yeah, but not, you know, openly siding with the United States. And then Iran starts bombing them. And I've heard two schools of thought on why that is. One school of thought is that basically the c- the whole command, I mean, so many people who were in leadership positions-

[29:02] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[29:02] Speaker 2: ... are dead, that you've got these sort of outposts just doing, whoever has a missile is shooting it.

[29:07] Speaker 3: Or whatever the automatic, uh, thing. Uh, hit the automatic button.

[29:10] Speaker 2: Right. But then I was reading another thing, 'cause I saw, like, Saudi Arabia, sort of the united Arab Emirates, I guess, were saying, "Hey, look, we're running out of missiles inter- to intercept some of these drones." And that, I was reading one thing that said perhaps, in a way, this was Iran sort of testing defense-

[29:25] Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good idea.

[29:26] Speaker 2: ... you know, mechanisms. Kind of probing it and trying to get them to wear it out.

[29:29] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[29:29] Speaker 2: But then, on the other hand, okay, so now, so they're gonna bomb Dubai? Do you know what I mean? They're gonna send-

[29:34] Speaker 3: Who needs Dubai? I mean, who wants another Dubai?

[29:36] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[29:37] Speaker 3: We're all tired of Dubai. Got a couple of, it's got golf courses.

[29:40] Speaker 2: We have to talk about-

[29:40] Speaker 3: They got some good golf tournaments. But other than that, do we really need Dubai?

[29:43] Speaker 2: But not to the point it's like... I mean, on one end, but I don't think there's anybody left in Iran that sophisticated, to run that kind of sophisticated operation.

[29:49] Speaker 3: Well, they're hitting a button. They're hit, they're hitting something so, you know, they planned the thing, and then now they... The reason why I think they're doing it, though, I hadn't heard that, you know, "Let's, let's get rid of all their-"

[29:58] Speaker 2: Yeah, that they can use it up, yeah.

[29:59] Speaker 3: ... guidance things is, is that, you know, they have an incredible number of, between 2000 and 4000 intercontinental ballistics, and they have massive amounts of drones. But if they just wait and wait and wait, Israel and the US has great intelligence. They know-

[30:16] Speaker 2: Oh, they'll find them.

[30:16] Speaker 3: ... where a lot of these are based, and, and so they won't be able to send them, 'cause they'll be bombed to smithereens. So if you're gonna get a shot, this is the shot you're gonna have, but maybe-

[30:25] Speaker 2: That makes sense too. It's like-

[30:26] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[30:26] Speaker 2: ... they have to use them while you still have them, um, and, and go... Yeah. So it'll be, it'll be obviously interesting and, you know, I c- no matter what happens, there are gonna be certain factions that hate Trump and criticize Trump and say he shouldn't have done it. And, but I go back to the whole thing. It's like, what? So we should wait until they, they nuke New York, and then we'll be like-

[30:46] Speaker 3: Well, that wouldn't be too bad, I don't know.

[30:48] Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you're right. And then, then respond.

[30:50] Speaker 3: Well, uh, as long as my dummy is there...

[30:53] Speaker 2: I mean, at- at least, hey, it made Canada say nice things about us.

[30:55] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the first time ever since we beat 'em in hockey that they said anything nice about us.

[31:00] Speaker 2: Yeah. (laughs) Um, and, and it did, who, who was... I guess it was just France was being whiny about it, right?

[31:07] Speaker 3: Was France the one being whiny?

[31:08] Speaker 2: Yeah, 'cause England is helping.

[31:10] Speaker 3: Okay.

[31:10] Speaker 2: Fran- France is being, Australia-

[31:12] Speaker 3: France is being much all.

[31:13] Speaker 2: Um-

[31:15] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[31:15] Speaker 2: Yeah, they were being whiny, so. Um, the other, and did you have anything more on that?

[31:19] Speaker 3: Uh, nothing except, where do you think it's going to go? I mean, if, if, if, if, if the Ayatollahs remain in charge of Iran, that will not be a good, even if it's not the-

[31:29] Speaker 2: I don't think that's going to happen.

[31:30] Speaker 3: Well then it's, it's one of two things. Then, then liberal democracy will bloom or it'll just divide. You know, they have a 10% Kurdish population. They have some other, you know, I, I, I think the, the Persians, uh, constitute about 69, 70% or even less than that. Um, so they could divide up into various kingdoms and principalities and, and everything else. And would that be a bad idea? Well, you know-

[31:57] Speaker 2: No, then they don't go to war against Israel.

[31:59] Speaker 3: ... from, from, from Israel's perspective, no, we don't care if they, you know, they divide up, because then they're, they can't present a real threat to us, so.

[32:06] Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that, I, I think from what the Trump administration is saying is we've got another few weeks of... Well, I think Trump has said they didn't realize they were going to be so successful in taking out such a large number of some of the leadership, right?

[32:17] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. 50 or 60.

[32:17] Speaker 2: And he, he was saying, he said that they thought that was going to take longer. So that kind of sped things up considerably. Um, and, and, but he said, well, and again, it's Trump. So he said there's another huge wave coming and who knows what that really means.

[32:30] Speaker 3: What kind of bomb that is.

[32:30] Speaker 2: Yeah, but I suspect that the United States and Israel and, and I think England, all, whatever, you know, the, we're going to continue to bomb the heck out of anything that they could use to shoot at other people, and, and essentially leave them weaponless for all practical purposes.

[32:47] Speaker 3: Well, the thing is that Iran is, is in a terrible financial shape. It's had these droughts, water, people having to move from, um-

[32:56] Speaker 2: Hmm.

[32:57] Speaker 3: ... Tehran because there's not enough water. Uh, its economy is a mess. And of course, their economy is totally dependent upon the production of oil and gas. Um, but with the Strait of Hormuz closed, there'll be no mo- money coming in. Um, so whoever takes over this government is going to be short of cash. It's going to be, it's going to be a tough job. It's going to be a, I don't, I don't, uh, envy, um-

[33:20] Speaker 2: No.

[33:21] Speaker 3: ... Iranians, though.

[33:22] Speaker 2: No, it's going to-

[33:23] Speaker 3: A- yeah.

[33:23] Speaker 2: My guess would be that there would be some... I mean, and Trump has mentioned that they, some- somebody there has reached out to him. But I think the problem is, is that obviously that who's that somebody and, you know, is that somebody in charge of anything, right?

[33:35] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[33:35] Speaker 2: I have a feeling-

[33:36] Speaker 3: I, actually, yeah. Could come in.

[33:37] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[33:37] Speaker 3: "Hey."

[33:38] Speaker 2: Like you said, you need to talk to the decision maker. And imagine right now there really isn't a decision maker, right? Everybody's scrambling. Everybody's trying to protect their position to get their hands on whatever weapons there are. I think the more weapons that we can destroy and the more the defense system, um, they-

[33:53] Speaker 3: Oh, it's not-

[33:53] Speaker 2: I think, I think-

[33:54] Speaker 3: It's just open skies. It's open skies. They have no defenses left.

[33:58] Speaker 2: Right.

[33:58] Speaker 3: So it's just, if we know where they're at, you know, and we do have bombs that seem to go almost, uh, to the center of the Earth, um, they'll be destroyed. But if they're not destroyed, you know, I don't know what, what good there'd be. So I, I, I just don't see it as a time of happiness in Iran, uh, but what, what do you know?

[34:16] Speaker 2: No, I think Trump does seem to be less concerned in his own way. It's like if, "Hey, if, if I can from my watch destroy all of these weapons for at least right now, then my work here is done." Do you know what I mean? I don't get the impression that Trump... It's not like, you know, the Bush administration where they're really concerned about who's going to take over. I think Trump is sincere, I mean, he says, "I just wanted to make sure they could not shoot at us." I, I, after that, you know, hopefully the people of Iran will rise up and, and take over.

[34:44] Speaker 2: If not, you know, that, that-

[34:46] Speaker 3: Have fun.

[34:46] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. You know, it'll take them a while at least to rebuild.

[34:49] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[34:49] Speaker 2: And by then I won't be president anymore. And, and hopefully people have heard. I mean, Donald, that's kind of the impression I get of him, that he's not overwhelmingly... If he, if he can destroy essentially their weapons, that he's not overwhelmingly concerned what two Chinese governments left.

[35:02] Speaker 3: Well, one thing George W. Bush has done is destroy the concept of nation building.

[35:07] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[35:08] Speaker 3: Nobody wants a nation build anymore. Everybody's kind of going... Every part of Syria, you know, get rid of Assad and the whole family, you know, we have all these wonderful people and they'll be free. No, it ended up doing just, you know, they've been, end up overwhelming the world with refugees. Uh, Iran has 90 million people. 90 million. So where are they going to go? Pakistan? I mean, where are all these people going to, you know, go to Russia? I mean, where are these people all going to go to?

[35:32] Speaker 2: Oh, so you know what? I did find it interesting, and you got to wonder if there were negotiations to a certain extent there, that both Russia and China, because all of these people, like Mike Pence, who I really like, he said, "You start in World War III because China and Russia are going to jump in," right? Well, China and Russia very definitely, they, they issued strongly worded statements, um, but they didn't do anything else.

[35:52] Speaker 3: Yes. Yeah.

[35:53] Speaker 2: Right? And so, so there was no World War III. And you kind of wonder, well, I don't know, I think they probably liked the mayhem that was, that was Iran, but I, I would imagine there was some sort of diplomacy going on there, letting them know, "Look, we're going to do this. You do not want World War III any more than we do." I mean, what do you think on that?

[36:13] Speaker 3: I don't know. Very hard to tell.

[36:14] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[36:14] Speaker 3: I don't think they consulted with them. I don't think-

[36:17] Speaker 2: Well, it's not like they asked their permission. But I think it's interesting, don't you, that they have, like I said, strongly worded statements and that's as far as-

[36:23] Speaker 3: Strongly worded, but what else can they do? I mean, they, it's almost impossible to get anything into Iran right now. I mean if you-

[36:30] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[36:30] Speaker 3: ... flew some planes in, they'd be blown up.

[36:33] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[36:33] Speaker 3: Um, and so it's, there's very little they can do for them, uh, on an ongoing basis, except maybe help them pick up the pieces when it's all over. But it's going to be, going to be an ugly deal, but, you know, that's... The world's an ugly place, so what the heck?

[36:46] Speaker 2: (laughs) All right, then moving on. One other thing about-

[36:49] Speaker 3: Moving on from that bright point.

[36:50] Speaker 2: From that bright point. Chuck, Chuck's spreading his ray of happiness.

[36:53] Speaker 3: Happiness to all.

[36:54] Speaker 2: A while ago...And we told you about Ken Buck had posted this bizarre-

[36:58] Speaker 3: Buck, we love Ken Buck.

[37:00] Speaker 2: ... well, uh, uh, bizarre video. I mean, he'd like disappeared from the face of the Earth really. This bizarre video saying something great was coming and to look for it. Well, today he posted another weird video also in a hoodie, um, where he talked about essentially they have ... No, no, it's not clear who they is.

[37:16] Speaker 3: No.

[37:16] Speaker 2: But they have launched, um, a, a new website to get the word out about good conservative principles. It's AmericansForGoodGov.org, and that's Americans, the numeral four, GoodGov.org. And-

[37:29] Speaker 3: And don't, don't mess any of those up because there's lots of ones that are like that.

[37:33] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[37:33] Speaker 3: You know, with FOR instead of with letter four.

[37:36] Speaker 2: Yeah. Number, yeah.

[37:36] Speaker 3: They have governance instead of gov, I mean-

[37:38] Speaker 2: Right. Um, but when you go there, it's basically just another aggregator.

[37:42] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.

[37:43] Speaker 2: I, I mean it's-

[37:43] Speaker 3: And Ken, an article or two by Ken because he's been writing since the end of December.

[37:47] Speaker 2: And-

[37:48] Speaker 3: Ken Buck.

[37:48] Speaker 2: And, uh, and, uh-

[37:49] Speaker 3: I did find out what he's been doing.

[37:50] Speaker 2: What, oh, what's he been doing? Okay.

[37:52] Speaker 3: He has, he started a consulting firm, you know, Ken, Ken Buck-

[37:55] Speaker 2: Big one.

[37:55] Speaker 3: ... uh, for, uh, uh, and he would consult and advise you on, uh, business development and, uh, uh-

[38:05] Speaker 2: Starting up websites.

[38:05] Speaker 3: ... public affairs.

[38:06] Speaker 2: Okay.

[38:06] Speaker 3: So, he'd be a lobbying firm and a consulting, I don't know who he could lobby to. I don't think anybody would hire him at Congress. Uh, but, but I mean, the, the, the amazing arc of Ken Buck's kind of deal, I mean, he, he was a successful, uh, prosecutor and, and elected DA for was it, uh, which?

[38:27] Speaker 2: Weld County.

[38:28] Speaker 3: Well- No, it wasn't Weld. Um-

[38:30] Speaker 2: Maybe it was in Weld County.

[38:31] Speaker 3: I don't think so. But anyway, um, then he ran, I guess it was for senate.

[38:38] Speaker 2: Yes, I looked at, against Jane Norton in 2010.

[38:40] Speaker 3: Yeah, 2010, and prior to that, he, he'd been elected to Congress. Um, and I remember meeting him in 2010 at a thing down in Denver. And, and, uh-

[38:50] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we donated to him.

[38:51] Speaker 3: Yeah, we even gave, hey God, did we really?

[38:54] Speaker 2: (laughs) Yeah.

[38:54] Speaker 3: Uh, we gave-

[38:55] Speaker 2: Not a lot.

[38:55] Speaker 3: ... we raised, well, uh, we didn't have a lot to give, so.

[38:58] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[38:58] Speaker 3: Um, we gave to him and, and, and, uh, you know, he beat Jane Norton and he was the Tea Party conservative guy.

[39:05] Speaker 2: Right.

[39:06] Speaker 3: Um, and, and, uh, we had great hopes for him. Um, but then he, then he did a lot of, somebody was following him with a camera and he used to talk about boots with heels or something, that the Denver Post could attack him on, say, "You're awful." So, he lost and so he went back into Congress and, and was a conservative. And then all of a sudden, you know, as, as, as these, you know, like Marjorie Taylor Greene or something, they become, they become disenchanted and said, "I know, I'll, I'll just be, I'll be kind of a maverick.

[39:35] Speaker 3: Yeah, that'll be it."

[39:36] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[39:37] Speaker 3: Um, so he started voting against Trump and attacking Trump. And then his high point was when he said, gets on telling us that January 6th prisoners, they got what they deserved.

[39:46] Speaker 2: Yeah. (laughs)

[39:47] Speaker 3: They just, you know, okay, no medical supplies, no medical needed. Um, if, if they were held without being charged, it didn't matter.

[39:55] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[39:55] Speaker 3: Um, and I remember George Brockton supported him in this fight.

[39:58] Speaker 2: Right. Well, and, and-

[40:00] Speaker 3: Fight effort.

[40:00] Speaker 2: ... uh, uh, you know, and yeah, he, he became an enormous disappointment. I mean, you were, as we were trying to think before the show, what were all the things he'd vote, and finally I was just like pretty much he went, came to a point where he just voted against Trump every time. And right-

[40:13] Speaker 3: Right.

[40:13] Speaker 2: And, you know, just, just cr- and worse than Jeff Hurt even really.

[40:16] Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, far worse than Jeff Hurt.

[40:17] Speaker 2: So, so now apparently part of his consulting, it's AmericansForGoodGov.org. Um-

[40:23] Speaker 3: Do that quickly.

[40:24] Speaker 2: No, I don't-

[40:24] Speaker 3: Hurry.

[40:25] Speaker 2: I don't, like I said-

[40:26] Speaker 3: Get your news there.

[40:26] Speaker 2: ... it's an agregator-

[40:27] Speaker 3: Get your news there.

[40:28] Speaker 2: I mean, good luck. You know what I mean? There's a ton of aggregators out there.

[40:30] Speaker 3: Well, he started out with his first announcement says it was gonna be an anti-socialist site.

[40:35] Speaker 2: Right.

[40:36] Speaker 3: Because we just weren't, too many of us loved socialism I guess. And so he's gonna tell us that socialism, and this is a, you know, a real revelation, socialism doesn't tend to work very well wherever it's tried. But then for this one, it's not that per se, it's just a, it's not an anti-socialism site, it's just a, it's a work-

[40:56] Speaker 2: Sort of a conservative news site.

[40:58] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[40:58] Speaker 2: I, I would say. You, you know what I mean? And somebody put some work in it. They edited some videos altogether, I mean, from news organizations. And it, it's, you know, I think it kind of wants to be like what a Drudge was before-

[41:10] Speaker 3: Good Luck.

[41:10] Speaker 2: Yeah, before they became it. Well, the difficulty is that, good luck to them, the difficulty is that's a lot of work and it makes no money. There's a giant donate button, so-

[41:17] Speaker 3: There's no money and-

[41:19] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[41:19] Speaker 3: ... and moreover, he has no credibility.

[41:21] Speaker 2: Yeah. (laughs)

[41:21] Speaker 3: Uh, he doesn't have it with the left, he doesn't have it with the right. He can say, "I, I, I've really managed in my not too long a career to alienate everybody from every side, so-"

[41:32] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[41:32] Speaker 3: "... you know, you can trust me."

[41:33] Speaker 2: So, that'll be, so that'll be that. Then the other thing too is just a little bit that the caucuses are coming up and-

[41:39] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[41:39] Speaker 2: ... you know, I think who knows, this could be our last caucus. (laughs)

[41:42] Speaker 3: Yeah, should be the last. You want to go as kind of a keepsake.

[41:45] Speaker 2: (laughs) As kind of a keepsake, so.

[41:47] Speaker 3: And they've cut down the number of delegates.

[41:49] Speaker 2: Yeah, for some reason, exactly. Britta Horner has cut down the number of dele- Well, 'cause there's too many delegates roaming around voting against her. She's like-

[41:57] Speaker 3: So, there's only 2,000. I think for our particular area, we only get one.

[42:02] Speaker 2: Right, we've had two before.

[42:03] Speaker 3: Two before and Ben and I went last time. And I'm, I, I think I'm willing to give it up too, Ben.

[42:08] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[42:09] Speaker 3: I'm not going.

[42:09] Speaker 2: No, you and Ben are about to be like, "No, no, you..."

[42:11] Speaker 3: "No, no, you, you."

[42:13] Speaker 2: "You're so great at it."

[42:15] Speaker 3: "Everybody loves you."

[42:17] Speaker 2: Then what we'll do is we'll just elect Neil when he's not looking.

[42:19] Speaker 3: And then yeah, when he's not looking, we'll elect Neil to anything that we can-

[42:23] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[42:23] Speaker 3: ... we can find.

[42:24] Speaker 2: Um, all right, well, listen, that, maybe we could wrap it up early 'cause we do have that big meeting we have to get ready for.

[42:29] Speaker 3: That very big meeting, that very meeting.

[42:30] Speaker 2: So, that'll do it for us. Thank you, Jacob. Thank you everybody else that listens on Zoom. Um, and, um, we will see you on Wednesday with the results, with the big meeting.

[42:38] Speaker 3: The results will be in.

[42:39] Speaker 2: All right.