Speaker Identification
Speaker 1 - Dr. Gregory Williams, host of Breaking the Silence
Speaker 2 - Micah LaCerte, guest and co-author of The Breaker
Speaker 3 - Diana LaCerte, guest and co-author of The Breaker
Announcer - Opening and closing program voice
Program Promo - Mid-show promotional announcement

Announcer:
Welcome to Breaking the Silence with Dr. Gregory Williams. Dr. Williams is the author of the acclaimed book, Shattered by the Darkness, putting the pieces back together after child abuse. Dr. Williams is on the senior leadership team at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, Texas. And Dr. Williams travels the United States speaking and training professionals, parents, and victims about the importance of dealing with abuse and personal trauma head-on and not being afraid to break the silence of your own personal pain. Feel free to call in to tonight's show at 888-627-6008 and speak with Dr. Williams and his guests live on air. And now, your host, Dr. Williams!

Speaker 1 - Dr. Gregory Williams:
Well, good evening and welcome to my home here in Houston. It is just absolutely fantastic to have you with us tonight. And this is going to be one of those that I promise you'll want to get on your phone to start texting people and say, hey, wait, get on the show, watch them. It's going to be great tonight. Great promises right up front. Matter of fact, between me and you, this is a money-back guarantee. This is going to be one of the top three shows. And the other, probably top two, was the ones that they were on individually before. So this is going to be a great program tonight. I'm looking forward to it. They're back by popular demand. And we've even coerced them since they're getting ready to celebrate their 15th anniversary to come on together. So they're not fighting tonight. They're actually getting along. So they're going to be side by side with us here. They're just great to have you. And what's going to make this fun is that you can get involved. And we'd love to have you call in. I don't believe we've had a call in lately. But 888-627-6008. Won't you give us a buzz? You're going to be talking to two of the great experts in the field of so many different areas. If you want to talk about getting physically fit, emotionally fit, mentally fit, spiritually fit, you probably have the two of the best. Not only in our country, but in the world right here with us tonight and the TV show host. It's just going to be absolutely awesome. So I'm looking forward to this, but 888-627-6008. Or you can get on shattered by the darkness Facebook page. We are live there. Or you can text at the bottom of the hour at 832-39-66525. Yes, that's my personal cell phone number. What am I thinking? But I do it anyway. Feel free to text that. And during the commercial break that we have at the bottom of the hour, if we have a call and pass it to the radio, we'll be able to see how good you are. If we have one because it may get so good with the conversation that we'll just fly right through it. 832-39-66525. And I'll try to listen to it, vibrate, and I will read your comment or your question. But the best thing is calling to TJ there at the radio station and BBS Radio will handle the message that we've watched out to be able to listen to each Sunday night because the rest of the month of July plus all of August, we have some absolutely fantastic people and you will not want to miss it. Okay. Let's get going tonight. I want to let you know that this week I will be in San Antonio all the way up there and not to visit the Alamo. I'm going to be going to speak to a great group of people and I'm going to be doing the keynote in the morning and doing the breakout session in the afternoon. So San Antonio, thank you for being with us tonight. And hopefully next week you'll all be on after I speak and looking forward to and thank you for that invite and then have several other things happening in my world. I speak all the time. But as a matter of fact, my wife tells me that I speak all night long, even in my sleep that I'm just talking, I can't shut up. So this is perfect for me. I want to start something tonight. I just want it to be an intro of what I'm going to be doing in that first little segment that I had before I bring the guest on. But I want it to be kind of mini-short tonight because these guests are people that I personally absolutely love and can't wait to share more of their story with you. But I want to see how, what they think about this after I'm done. This will be the intro of what I'm going to start talking about next week. And it's going to take about all probably five weeks to get through it with some steps. And I want to talk to men and all of these things are transferable and applicable to women. But let me tell you. There's something different when a man has gone through some type of hurt and pain in that child sexual abuse world and that massive hell that so many men have walked through and experienced. But will spray cologne all over them and shower ten times a day to try to get the smell of that hell. Off them. And if you've been through it, you know exactly what I'm talking about. But there are some wounds. There are some pains that a man just cannot even hide beneath a suit, beneath a uniform, beneath a smile, beneath a successful career or maybe a whole bunch of muscles. Or even years of serving other people to a wonderful magnitude. But you can't hide behind that. It may be from the outside looking in, he may look strong. And on the inside, he's privately carrying a weight, a stress that sometimes just gets unbearable. And in that we need to recognize that comes out in all of us, men and women. And as you privately carry it, and I want to want to kind of quotation that privately carry it, it's automatically going to fuel the fire of unwanted memories. Fear, anger, shame, confusion, nightmares, difficult times with relationships. And a deep sense, and I want you to hear this, it can cause also a deep sense that something inside him has been permanently damaged. That's what we start feeling when we've held it in for a year, six months, or in my case, over 37 years. In a case of Chief Matt that's going to be with us in a couple weeks, 40 years he held it. And what the ends up doing, it starts eating at us from the inside out, no matter what we do and look successful on the outside. It starts deteriorating some of this inside of us. And, man, I need to let you know a couple things before we even get to the number one, which is going to be next week. What's happened to you was absolutely wrong. It's not your fault. You didn't cause it. You did not deserve it. Women, same thing. You didn't deserve this. You didn't cause it. It's not your fault. And many survivors, for years, they wait before disclosing some of this hurt, some of this pain. And in that, we go back to the list of fear, shame, belief that nobody's going to believe you. The impact of, I remember the day I got a book right here simply, the day my book came out years ago. And the first people that I was going to talk to was the people I worked with in the OB-GYN department at Baylor College of Medicine, the doctors. And I went in for a grand rounds and they had this whole auditorium just filled with people standing around the walls too. And I walked out and not one of them knew what I was going to say. And I hit the first slide on my PowerPoint and there's my book. And then I put the words up. That's the first sentence of my book. There wasn't a day in my childhood that I can remember that I wasn't sexually abused. And I remember as the doctor was introducing me, I was thinking, every one of my relationships with my colleagues, with my coworkers, with my friends at the office is going to change. And I just about turned around and walked back out the door. That fear of being questioned about who you are, to being questioned about your manhood, to be questioned about whether it's even true and you're just lying about it to get fame, to get money. And I don't know of anybody that I've ever met on this world that has benefited from telling anybody that they've been sexually abused or hurt in a way that has connected to that. Especially a child. A child has nothing to gain when they say it except personal help and healing. And they need to have that assurance that they're going to be believed. But I will also let you know that after 25, 30 years, 37 years in my case, or 40 years or more of that silence as I finish this up does not have to be your final word. That's not your final last declaration. Your past, and listen to this one, this is good, your past may explain some of your struggles. But it doesn't have the authority to define your identity. I am not what happened to me. But because I found a way out, because I gave it to my Lord and Savior to help me through it. Now it has become that scar, that wound has become something that I can embrace and help empower other people that are going through the exact same thing. Today's the day to break it. Today's the day to step out. Today's the day to make a decision that I'm going to find one person that I can reach out to that I trust. And I know for a fact, the two guests that I have tonight, TJ, go ahead and bring them on in. You have three people right here on this screen right now that you can trust that if you need to be able to tell somebody in the next few weeks, I'm going to show you some steps of things you have to have in your game plan in your arsenal to be able to make it through this without it totally destroying your lifeour life. But not to just to be a survivor, to be a thriver, to be somebody that is not a victim, and you've heard these scenarios, but to be a victor. Just because we went through this, it wasn't our fault. I didn't get to choose it. I didn't get to say, oh, I think I like my dad abused me for 17. You don't know, you don't do that. It's handed to you. But now that you have it, what are you going to do with it? Let it destroy you or let it be the fuel that takes you to the next level. And look at these two beautiful people right here. Micah and Diana, LaCerte, they have written one of my, let me say, just say right now, my favorite book. And I highly recommend this. This is a money-back guarantee. You buy this, read this, and do this. And you say, I'm Greg, you call me, I'll send you the money. Don't get a hold of my condiner. I will because I promise you, and I don't do this with everybody on the show. I promise you, this is a day indeed. So welcome to the program. I could just go back here to the little picture here and tell you, look at them. They're world champion athletes. They've been on the cover of muscle magazines. They have a protein shakes and powders and all that stuff. They have their own TV show. They host a TV show. And I just want to say, hey, instead of me wasting their time by telling you about them, I'll let them tell you about their life. So Micah, Diana, thank you to my friends for being with us tonight.

Speaker 2 - Micah LaCerte:
Thank you so much. And yeah, that's what I was going to say. I just, Greg, before we start any of this, just thank you, man. Thank you for your service and serving others and using your horrific situation to help other men and other women out there.

Speaker 1 - Dr. Gregory Williams:
Well, I love you too. And I keep hearing, I don't do social media, but I keep watching you every time your face comes up, which is a lot on something. It's everywhere out there. I'm expecting to be on the billboard and on everything else. But it's just the impact that you're making. Tell me, since the last time you've been here, how the book has become a platform that now allows you to not just talk about how to get well and get healthy physically,

Speaker 2 - Micah LaCerte:
Yeah, it has been. I mean, I can't really even describe what has happened. You know, I think God planted some visions and some ideas in our mind of what it may look like. And then when it actually came to fruition and the book was released in the amount, I mean, there's two sides of it. Gregory, there's the side of like, I'm so blessed to be able to talk to these people, but also the other side of the heartbreak of what these people have gone through. I'm grateful that through my own vulnerability and Diana speaking, as well as she does about all of this, that people feel, you know, trusted to come to us and open up their most vulnerable as well. And with that, we just hold it with them and, you know, and try to give them some guidance and some prayer to step into the courage, really it takes is that really is what it comes down to, but that commitment of stepping into the healing so that they can ultimately be who God identifies them as, not that wound and not what you had gone through,

Speaker 1 - Dr. Gregory Williams:
Yeah. Can I just be brutally honest and ask you, Diana, you hear these stories that men and women come to you and talk to you about. Micah, you hear those two. So there's questions for both of you. How do you deal with that emotionally? Because it's a lot of baggage. They have come and laid at your feet and the stories are unbelievable. Are they not?

Speaker 3 - Diana LaCerte:
I think in this season, it's like our relationship with Jesus has become even more important in this season. And honestly, I think it's like we've learned just even in these last five or six months since The Breaker has come out. And I've prioritized that already. But now it's like to be able to have the capacity to hold and then to be able to surrender the things that are not ours to continue carrying. I don't honestly know that we could do that without just taking like every morning. I'm like, I go straight to my, I call it my Jesus chair and I'm there and like, Lord, you got to give me whatever it is I need, whatever it is that needs to be said, whatever words that need to come out of our mouths. Both of our mouths to sustain the weary. It's like one of my favorite verses. And as Isaiah is like, he's giving me the words to sustain the weary. And I'm like, that's just what I feel like whatever we're supposed to give today, whatever we're supposed to hold today. And then because fitness is such a part of our lane, it's understanding how we have to process that stuff through so we're not carrying it to. So it's a balance. And I think being in the fitness industry for as long as we have has helped us understand how to carry hard stories and not all of them stick, but there's some that stick like there are some that I just, you know, I find myself just thinking and grieving, like my heart just grieving for some of these stories. But also it's like grief and gratitude at the same time because we'll get these messages or talk to these people that it's like this grief, but then this. But because I heard this story, I had the courage to share. I had the courage to step into something. I had a wife write to me the other day and she's like, I didn't realize that this was going to impact me as much. So I went and I read Mike's book too. And she's like, it's been freedom for me because her husband shared something and then she was like, this is actually for me too. And I was just like, this is wild. Like they had come to our book signing, and we met them in person. And, you know, a couple of months later, she's sharing the impact it's had. So to answer your question, like in a nutshell, for me, it's like I the Lord's just giving us the capacity that we need day by day.

Speaker 1 - Dr. Gregory Williams:
Yeah, Micah, is there something that surprised you that kind of blindsided you? Whoa, I wasn't expecting that when I stepped into this world of here's my story.

Speaker 2 - Micah LaCerte:
I there's a couple things. There's one thing that's been a little bit disappointing to be honest with you. And I understand. It's not a popular topic. No. And, but it's a topic. I always, I tell people now, the single thing that I never wanted to share with anyone ever that it was going to go with the grave with me is now the single thing I want to talk about the most. And the Lord knows how I roll and it is type A and frontline and whatnot. And so, but I also have to come to the understanding that, that like, it's not a topic that again is super popular. So we may get some pushback as well. And we have a little bit. There's also been, you know, I think something else that was a little interesting is there's just people I haven't heard from. And maybe they're trying to process their own situation, you know, and so that was something that I was, you know, not really expecting, I think. On the other side, where I was totally blown away is the amount of stories of people opening up after I shared that I don't even know I have no connection with it all. And for whatever reason coming to my website or seeing the podcast for the first time or whatever it is, it made just foundationally monumental changes in their life. It hit them to the core where God had called them or they were just like, it's time for me to surrender this. I mean, a story after story after story. A most recent one just to share a tidbit this gentleman reached out and just said, you know, I saw your video it broke me down. I ended up selling my business and God called me into essentially like helping children because he had gone through it. He hadn't really shared it and whatnot. And, you know, and I'm not going to go into massive detail, but it was a really, really big change. And it all started because he went to my website and he saw that and then went and watched our podcast when I shared for the first time.

Speaker 1 - Dr. Gregory Williams:
Have you found, and maybe this is something we don't need to share with the audience, but I just like it being like if you're having coffee at a restaurant. Do have you came across anyone that is in the same lane as we are that are looking at you and have treated you with animosity and almost jealousy of the people who are in the same lane as we are. And I think that's a very important thing to say about the jealousy of the success you're having. And they kind of stay away from you and it was totally shocks me because there's not enough people out there talking about this. And there's more than enough people to minister to and it's not a competition by any means. Because you're going up the ladder, you better reach back and always try to help somebody up to the next run because you get to the top alone and who wants to do that. But has any of that surprised you? I have had that in the years that I've been doing this. It's just like, wow.

Speaker 2 - Micah LaCerte:
I think, you know, not off the top of my head, but I'm glad that you brought this up because at some point that, you know, I never even thought about that. Like because of the subject matter and, and, you know, it to me being able to share this is a great unify, you know, it's a way to unify us men and us women. And so I think that's difficult for me to even comprehend. But I also can understand, you know, that there will be people who potentially are more elevated for whatever reason, you know, and, and I think it's important for the ones that are elevated again to lead that hand to those other people as well. And that's something that I think over the years, Diana and I have been really good at doing in general. We've got has blessed us abundantly with, especially like accolades and stuff like that. But we just really, you know, try to bring people along and create communities and really try to build, you know, people up and really try to do as well as we can and serving people.

Speaker 1 - Dr. Gregory Williams:
Yeah, it's kind of an ugly side of it. And I try to avoid some of that and stay out of that side. But that's, that's human nature. So has the book. How long has it been out? It came out April 14th. So I got an autograph version. Yeah, you got one of the first. Yeah. Yeah. It was a fresh. It has it done. What you thought it would do. Has it done as well as you thought it would do. Because it's a slow, it's a slow growth. Yeah. A lot of people think, oh, it's going to be number one on the Amazon list on every category. And you always strive for that. But it takes so much time to get traction. Yeah. And when you're doing the work, they will end up using this book over the years. And then you'll, you'll sell more. Five years from now, then what you will today because of the work that you're doing.

Speaker 3 - Diana LaCerte:
I mean, I think we're the thing is like the best seller lists were never our priority. And of course, that's awesome. And like we've done pushes out on the book. And but when we hear the stories from the individuals, it's like, I just. There it is. We really have this even in the book. It's like we talk about having the one and who's the one today. And so when we're getting these individual stories and then it's reaching when people we don't know and have never met or like so and so told me about your book. I read it and it's changed these things. I'm like, it's like, it's, it's doing what it's supposed to be doing. And so I would say I'm. I'm pleased with where it's at. We also see this as a ministry that is a long term thing. And we just know we just are like just praying that the this book gets into someone's hands and then someone else's hands and someone else's hands and someone else's hands and someone else's hands. And the stories that we're hearing of the breakthrough that people are having and the healing journeys they're stepping into. It's sometimes like you have this thing that you're birthing into the world and you're like, I, I, we trusted the Lord. We were obedient and I'm like, okay, I hope this helps. But now actually hearing how it is helping. It's very humbling. It's like, we're like, wow, like this is, it does. It feels like a child that we birthed into the world that is, is I think little by little going to change the world and, and we're just excited to see the doors that the Lord opens. And so it's, we're not in a rush. I think that's, yeah, I would say we're happy and you've shared with us. This is like a long play.

Speaker 2 - Micah LaCerte:
You know, in Gregory, I'll tell you some insight information. I remember we were probably about halfway through the book process. And I, you know, and I felt this like, hey, should we go for bestseller, you know, and we just had this, we had this piece from the Lord, maybe about halfway through or three quarters the way through. And that was just not the focus. And, and, and you've got to understand how we operate like we operate at like we're going to go win championships and be on covers of magazines, right. And we got a piece from the Lord that was like, this is something that, you know, 10 years, 20 years, 30 years down the road, someone will still be able to get what was in that book and, and take those steps to healing.

Speaker 1 - Dr. Gregory Williams:
And that's perfect. That's exactly the right, the right mindset. I mean, we've had these people that have been, have claimed that they didn't do it, but they caught doing it. You know, they buy 20,000 of their own book and put it in their basement. Try to get up all that. But I've tried to play that Amazon game, the New York Times bestseller game is like, there's too many different variables and algorithms that I don't even care. But that's awesome. I think, I think what we're going to do right now, let's take a quick commercial break about a minute and two seconds. We'll get a drink of a nice cold beverage here while we're doing that. And then on the other side of this I want to find out Diana and Micah. What's this breaker all about for people that's just now seeing this what's a breaker that's something in the electrical box over here every snaps the electricity goes off. What's this all about and what's the movement all about it.

Program Promo:
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Speaker 1 - Dr. Gregory Williams:
Well, hopefully you had time during that commercial to go on and buy. Don't buy my book on Amazon; buy this one. This is the one you want to buy instead of mine. Get on there and do this because this is just not only is it a good read. It's beautiful. I mean this is an awesome gift. It's hard back and look how thick it is. And it's even got pictures. Mine has a few pictures. It's got a whole color section with photos, including Alice Cooper. That's a good Christian man. I had his press agent all with me one night at the radio show and it was several years ago and there was rumors that he was going to stick his head in and I was waiting on night for him to come into the camera but he never did.

Speaker 2 - Micah LaCerte:
I think the best way I can explain it is and I kind of said this earlier. The single most difficult thing for me ever to share in my life. The greatest amount of shame and pain and depression and anxiety. Everything that you would consume into the darkest of darkest places is now where I want to share with everyone. I remember going back many years, five years ago and being upstairs at our dining room table with her father and stepmother and sharing with them the first time and I felt like that five year old little boy again that had gotten abused.

Speaker 3 - Diana LaCerte:
I think I'm still in the face of like it's so like wild to me that it's just there's no hesitation. There's no shame attached to it anymore. And it is just I mean even as short as a year ago, it was still the struggle to name things and to say them and to and now it's just not.

Speaker 1 - Dr. Gregory Williams:
And when you get that chance to do that, Micah, are you surprised that almost every time you share it with a complete stranger in an elevator in a taxi, an Uber, or a restaurant? They all say 99% of the people say, well, I got a story. Yeah. And then they want to tell you about either theirs or their sons or their dads or.

Speaker 2 - Micah LaCerte:
Yeah, we you know, I got to tell you a story because it's relevant to what we're talking about. So we did a book signing at Barnes and Noble here locally in Kansas City. And I mean, what was it? 80% 80% of the people that came up when we told him what the book was if we did not know them firsthand. And then they just instantly opened up either about their father or their brother or their self or their son and what he was going through. And I just, I think once you understand it and you get on the other side, which is difficult, it's difficult to go through the journey of healing. It takes courage. It takes time. You know, there's a lot of setbacks where you fall over and you got to get back up and you got to keep going. But on that other side, I mean, I truly believe it is like a superpower. It is a superpower to be able to speak into someone that was where you were at. You know, and you can feel it. You understand it. You understand that shame. You understand that grip and you also understand, man, if I can just give them the words of the hope and the light that they need in that dark place, that they can take a step and imagine what that person can do

Speaker 1 - Dr. Gregory Williams:
That's great. Let me ask you something that you may end up turning your computer off. Not to try to offend anybody. baggage left in your emotional trunk that you haven't released that you haven't had That freedom yet when I wrote the first book I kept saying there's some skeletons in my closet and I ended up telling a lot of those There's still a couple more that I don't know if I'll ever tell do you have anything like that you go?

Speaker 2 - Micah LaCerte:
Thought you know unless it's suppressed and I don't know I mean I took seven years in healing I mean I was very specific and how the Lord brought navigated me through it I went trauma by trauma big-T and small-t traumas trauma by trauma by trauma by trauma and knew That I couldn't leave the small ones out. I really needed to do that and you know and people get into the book You know most people will think that you know The person I had the most difficulty going into forgiveness would have been the abuser and it wasn't and so I had to Navigate the people that were closest to me that were supposed to protect me That's where that really hard forgiveness was and that really took quite a bit of time But being on the other side now, I think it just It's it's not something that grips me at all anymore like I'm I'm truly at peace with it And you know because I'll tell you I'll tell you something in a commitment that I made to myself very early on I Knew God had called me into this. I didn't know how I was gonna get there But I knew that I never wanted to be in front of a man or a woman and they open up and I couldn't be 100% authentic in sharing with them what freedom was and that I was there Wow, and so I didn't

Speaker 1 - Dr. Gregory Williams:
That's great and you broke through a Barrier here that I wanted to get to eventually I'm looking at the time here making sure we're not already passed because time flies But I'm talking to y'all about forgiveness you mentioned it is that Is that a completeness when it happens or is it a process and it ebbs and flows with you and Diana, too. I mean how's that because there's people that's listening tonight that need to attempt to go through that door

Speaker 3 - Diana LaCerte:
I think that it's it's gonna be a little different journey for everyone, you know I mean from my perspective I You know when I first heard my history I had a lot of anger in my heart too and I think what he just said to the forgiveness that I had to from my Point of view had to offer was also to the people that should have been there to protect him. You know, that there was just a lot of That was actually a lot harder for me to grapple with of like I'm having unforgiveness for the things that were done to him towards those people I don't There's a freedom when you can get to that place and I think just navigating the journey and You know, we've gone through a lot of trauma training and that and inviting Jesus into heal those places like it's been a process so I Don't I know I don't know that it's like oh hey just forgive like I don't I think that's Very hard for people to just hear you know, you should just forgive because there's a lot of harm There's a lot of wounds and there's there's healing but that is the place that we want to get you because That's where the freedom is and when we don't have bitterness in the bitter roots and I actually just heard I think Christine Caine Yeah, speaker and author I heard her say this on a podcast the other day and she said and she's a View survivor and all that and she said When I came to the point that I realized that there was Nothing that had been done to me that was That what Jesus did for me was greater than anything that had been done to me And I was like whoa like I was like that was just so powerful For me even and I'll let you chime in on

Speaker 2 - Micah LaCerte:
I At least in my journey And I know God wants us to forgive he wants us forgive for multiple reasons a lot to do with our own healing And the understanding in that but the process of forgiveness I had so much anger and I had so much shame and I had a heart that was very hardened That trying just saying I Forgive someone it would have not been authentic. I had to go through At least some level of healing before I was able to get to that step of true forgiveness And um and into being able to let go and I'll tell you exactly when it happened It happened right in my neighborhood and I was walking alone one day And I just I started weeping and I weep a lot at one specific You know part of the Bible and I know a lot of people do and you know and when it's Jesus's last day And you can imagine you can't imagine but you know through the through the text You know how much abuse he had gone through Not only from a physical standpoint and a mental standpoint, but more than likely he didn't have any clothes on He was sexually abused and exposed in a way that was No, no man and no woman would ever want to have to go through obviously and I just thought in that moment I was like, you know like he I believe that he died for me And in that moment he still says father forgive them And I just remember weeping and I was like I'm holding on to this Lord Like you've taken me this far and i'm still holding on to not wanting to forgive this man and the people in my life that didn't protect me the way that they needed to And in that moment that's when the forgiveness really started going through I had to do a little restoration and in some work to restore but I'll tell you that was the moment

Speaker 3 - Diana LaCerte:
Yeah, I just want to add I think When we're talking about forgiveness, it's just important for people to understand that it's not It doesn't Forgiveness does not mean that what was done was okay in any shape or form and it does not mean you have to have a relationship with That person. So I think that just has to be really clear. It's like it. It is not Does not mean that

Speaker 1 - Dr. Gregory Williams:
Any of that was that was done to you was okay. Yeah. Yeah, that's important because a lot of people think you know Well welcoming them back into the house and everything go, you know, my kids were never alone with my dad And they always wondered why Uh, and then when the book came out and I sent them the chapters before it actually was published Uh, the uh, that's why we never got to go spend the night at Grandpa's house. Oh, no way I mean the forgiveness process was already started, but I was not going my boundaries And the walls were high And it was kind of funny in the last years of his life Every Sunday he was sitting in the church that I was preaching at and I had to see him while I was preaching And it's like Wow, how do you preach the grace of God? um when your abusers right there in the pew And uh, I had a battle that was a process the um The Breaker What kind of movement is this what are you ultimately and I know you do things out? You know, I have I guess my mouth is really bad because I haven't got an invitation to these things you're having off in the Korean barbecue, scuba diving, and whatever else Nothing I can do any of that anymore, but um That's more for other things, but what's the Breaker?

Speaker 2 - Micah LaCerte:
Yeah, you know, I mean, God is still building that's what's really exciting about this But what he has revealed and what he's placed into our hearts is I really see Uh, I really see communities and how important community is for healing Um, God has specifically called me to speak into man as a as a as a as a masculine, strong man to be a voice in a space It's very dark. That is all that I've heard for seven eight nine plus years That is what my job is and that's difficult for me because I like going through the journey with people But that's not what i'm called to do not I can't go through the journey with everyone But what I can be is I can be a voice for other men until they can have their own voice And so I will do that and then I just truly believe that more men will stand next to me We're going to go move mountains whether it be The Breaker mission or another mission and that's the thing about it's not about competing about what mission it is I mean The Breaker mission means the Jesus mission so i'm down with that one like fully But what I do believe is I think that I think that we're going to unify with many different missions and different people that are That are properly aligned in a number one protecting children at all costs Number two helping the man heal so that he can help heal the family and then ultimately three for me personally I went through church hurt. Uh, this man used God to hurt me I'm feeling very called to bring that man back to Christ and build help him build a relationship with Christ Before he even steps into a church again because I understand the wounds that may still be there And understand that relationship with Christ is number one and that's really kind of the alignment of what we're doing with The Breaker I am I had the opportunity to speak at a detention center Uh juvenile detention center the other day for about four or five hours with different groups And I think five different groups capital murder charges from 10 to 16 years old Uh, they were in these rooms men and women separately and um, I asked you every one of those sessions Who had a father in their home? Uh during your childhood not one raised their hand Micah What impact is that having on our kids when men are fading away In the Godly role that we ought to be in I mean God is clear with order You know like um the man is supposed to lead the home And you know and I know as a little boy and the wife, just to be clear for people the people that are not believers out there The wife is extremely important in all that's what it's it's not just a servant or something like that She is, man. She's lifted me up so many times when I need it in vice versa. That's a marriage But God calls the man to lead and there's a there's a reason in that and I think you know Um as a little boy in my situation as a little boy who wanted a father so badly And I think my mom tried to do her best, but it's still There still was a missing piece in my heart and I wanted that dad so bad my father And I have a great relationship now who happened to be alice cooper in that if he has his own band Called uh Strictly Alice so he is alice cooper in a band. He looks just like him Um so and he was I had to throw that in there But you know we have a good relationship now, but as a little boy like I was like where is my dad? Why do I not have a dad? You know and um and someone who may be getting hurt by their father Much like your story. It's like why don't I have my buddy's dad My buddy's dad just loves him and lifts him up and he's not hurting him You know and I think I think As a as a man who would have children like Outside of his wife those kids and raising those kids right Really starts with him getting the healing necessary

Speaker 3 - Diana LaCerte:
No, I mean I was blessed to have an amazing dad in my life. So it's like I It's it's hard to Um imagine not having that and I know it's like it's such a breaking point for so many Men and women to not have that in their lives. I know it was you know, that's a whole theme of his book was just that whole that was there for him, you know, and also made him very vulnerable

Speaker 1 - Dr. Gregory Williams:
So i'll tell you we're about a time wow um The best way to get the book You've recommended amazon or to get on your web page what's best for you? Yeah You can get it at The Breaker mission.com if they want to autograph version go to The Breaker If you just want a quick fast mailer amazon you can get on amazon or at your local Barnes & Noble We got we got all you got from a barns and old because they can do a lot of book signings for you. Yeah, I like Yeah, I think I got four or five here at houston that was it. They said I we don't want your back Whatever But this is absolutely great but Breaker Mission.com is the best way to get in touch with you all great The Breaker mission

Speaker 1 - Dr. Gregory Williams:
But we're gonna do it on our church. So we're gonna do that right outside of houston here I think that would be awesome a great way to start and who knows we may get a scooby-doo van and uh Mystery Machine van and go on the road. Oh, yeah Why not that's what she wants to do Wouldn't that be awesome, but you never know God has things and I think There has to be and there's just nobody doing it Right yet Not that i'm being critical, but it's just not it's not caught on and it's like a couple of us are just joined together And do it and get them in all in one room. I think it'll be another movement to add to yours To where hey, this is going to catch like a fire in a dry wheat field and it's just going to take off Yeah, men need The healing they need the help um They're going to the graves early Yeah, they're not getting the help they are

Speaker 2 - Micah LaCerte:
I would I would just do all the men out there the women out there that are still in this I just I just pray that you have just an ounce of courage and that first commitment that you need to make us to yourself Say I want to heal I want to heal for myself I want to heal for my kids for my family for my wife or being the best leader I can be because you were not meant to carry What you're carrying and once you surrender that and get to the other side then you have the opportunity

Speaker 1 - Dr. Gregory Williams:
And if somebody wants to watch your Christian radio or television show you got your own television show. So I'm going to be a guest on

Speaker 3 - Diana LaCerte:
Uh, yeah, so we have it's called Soul Fit TV and it's on CTN the Christian television Network it's on uh dish network direct tv. It's on all the streaming channels and it airs every monday So tomorrow, uh at 6 30 am and noon central standard time and then that equivalent It's nationwide and then for the playbacks. We have the Soul Fit TV youtube so people can go back and binge watch all the episodes they missed it's been amazing It's it's just we love to share pain to purpose stories infused with uh, faith and fitness and just

Speaker 1 - Dr. Gregory Williams:
Right. Yeah, for sure. That's awesome. Well, TJ do not drop them off the picture every other week I tell people hey and just me I want you to hang right here with us as I close the program tonight First of all, I want to thank you from and I don't want to get emotional from the bottom of my heart. A few people have come into my life that I trust And that I love and that I respect as much as the two of you So thank you for being uh part of what God's doing for you and your life And may he just abundantly bless you in prosperity in impact and I can't remember where it was in the Bible But I'm asked I ask him every day when I pray for you all to expand your borders um And in that do you have greater impact of what you ever dreamed and may God's dream for you, which is always bigger than yours Um Come to pass and continue to be faithful and God's going to take you places you never even could imagine So thank you for being with me tonight. Thank you, bro. Thank you for sharing your story and Diana I love you dearly and love your hubby and to have a great Uh anniversary 15th anniversary in the next week or so God bless you. Thank you so much TJ keep us all on here God bless you. Thank you for joining us next join us next week right here for another edition of Breaking the Silence and uh, it's an honor to be part of this program with you And I think we're getting ready in about a week or two to celebrate another anniversary of us being on the year for years I don't even know what year it is, but it's I think maybe seven or eight that we've been on Uh, and that's a long time and I'm starting to get gray here. It didn't start out black, but it's it's all granny Thank you so much for joining us Micah and diana and thank you so much for being who you are and keep being awesome

Speaker 2 - Micah LaCerte and Speaker 3 - Diana LaCerte:
Good night

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