[00:00] Speaker 1: (instrumental music plays) Welcome, welcome, welcome everyone to Whiplash Talk. This is Sunshine, and we are having an outrageously crazy fun day, and I am here with some of my best buddies, Rob A. and Birdie. Are you guys here?

[01:34] Speaker 2: Uh, I'm here. I don't know about Birdie, but...

[01:37] Speaker 1: Yeah. Birdie- Birdie is, uh, she's actually practicing her mime, her miming right now.

[01:42] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[01:42] Speaker 1: So, she's miming, but she is here. She's with us, and we will, we will, uh, get her into, um, to the show very soon. Rob, how are you doing?

[01:54] Speaker 2: I'm doing awesome. Thanks. It's just, uh-

[01:56] Speaker 1: Yay.

[01:56] Speaker 2: ... a beautiful day. Did my Qigong, went for a morning walk. Just chipping away at life one step at a time, you know? That-

[02:02] Speaker 1: Nice. (laughs) That is so cool.

[02:06] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

[02:06] Speaker 1: Today, t-today was a good day for me too. I, um, yesterday was kind of a down day, not downer day, but it was just kind of a, took a day for me just to kinda, had some stuff come out online and just like, "You know what? My body's just kinda wantin' to, like, take it easy." So, I took it easy, and so that was so good.

[02:24] Speaker 2: Yeah. You know what?

[02:25] Speaker 1: So, I'm super excited.

[02:25] Speaker 2: That's good that you can recognize that as well, right? Because, um, it's- it's often, like, you know, the fight or flight mode that makes you wanna keep going, or-

[02:34] Speaker 1: Yep.

[02:34] Speaker 2: ... you- you know, going from like lethargy to, uh, hypervigilance and- and not knowing that like, hey, not listening to my body saying, "Hey, I need to take a nap here today." That hap- the same thing happened to me this week. You know, I had a really good day and I was getting so much done, and then I realized, I was like, "Okay, I'm kinda operating not from peace energy, but just, like, crazy momentum, you know?" And I'm like, and I'm like, "I need to..." and I was like, "I gotta- I gotta, you know, keep that momentum going." And I was like, but I actually sat for a second, and I was like, "Actually, you know what?

[03:02] Speaker 2: I'm going to take a nap because I'm really tired, you know?" And like-

[03:04] Speaker 1: Right.

[03:05] Speaker 2: ... I don't need to push through it.

[03:06] Speaker 1: Right. Right. And- and I have- I find that the way we're programmed in the world, I find that you feel, um, you know, you feel like, "Oh. You know, I shouldn't do that. I've got so much to do, and I'm an adult and I've got things I must take care of. And, you know, I, since I'm in the workforce, you know, I've got to get this done." And it's like, no.

[03:27] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[03:27] Speaker 1: I'm kinda, I'm a grown adult and I know my body needs a nap. I- I feel like I'm a toddler fighting a nap. It's like, go take a nap. (laughs)

[03:33] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And- and honestly, like, most times I- I'll just, it'll be like, I don't take a long nap. It's like 15 to 20 minutes, and it's just hitting that system reset. It's like resetting your computer, you know? You're not-

[03:45] Speaker 1: Right.

[03:45] Speaker 2: And- and just, like, to just, otherwise, if you keep pushing through, then, you know, the next hour gets worse, and then worse after that. And- and it's not like, it's just a, it- it's actually so beneficial, and it's not, it's frowned upon in our society, well, most societies.

[03:58] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[03:58] Speaker 2: But I think, you know, (laughs) -

[04:00] Speaker 1: Right.

[04:00] Speaker 2: ... some- some countries do siestas and things like that.

[04:02] Speaker 1: Yes.

[04:02] Speaker 2: Because they understand. It's like-

[04:03] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[04:03] Speaker 2: And every day is different, you know? Some days, I- I- I run on four hours of sleep for three days in a row, and then the next one-

[04:09] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[04:10] Speaker 2: ... I need eight, you know?

[04:11] Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, same. Same. Yeah, it's been kind of interesting. It's, um, I will say that this move has really helped me, uh, slow down to where I can start getting some of those puzzle pieces, those pieces that I've been seeking, you know? And kind of getting some of those downloads, and- and I didn't realize how fast and furious I was running to stay up and to keep on the hamster wheel in the matrix, and, you know, I'd go home and I'd- I'd- I'd be exhausted and I'd go to sleep, and- and, you know, there was- there was no space. I- I didn't have any space to allow source to do work, if that makes sense.

[04:53] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Totally.

[04:55] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[04:55] Speaker 2: And- and I love what you said about puzzle pieces, 'cause this is something that happened a couple weeks ago. I wanted to share it, but it just, I, you know, as, the timing is right now. So, um...

[05:03] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[05:04] Speaker 2: But I was helping a friend move a few weeks ago, I might have mentioned it, and, um, one of, like, the last things that I grabbed out of his garage at his old house, and I'm kinda like, you know, just turning around and carrying this thing with my arms, and I look down, and I see this little puzzle piece.

[05:20] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[05:20] Speaker 2: And that, to me, was just a sign, because I was able to do that move with just such grace and not being upset that I had to do it and all this stuff. But, and then the next day, I went for a walk, and I was like, "You know what? I'm gonna go a little bit of a different route," or whatever, and I ended up seeing this huge, massive, big puzzle piece. It was like the size of almost like a- a full piece of paper, you know? It was quite large. It's not just your traditional small puzzle. And so, just doing the things differently.

[05:44] Speaker 2: Sometimes it's not what we do, it's how we do it, and-

[05:46] Speaker 1: Right.

[05:46] Speaker 2: ... this can be the biggest puzzle pieces, is it's like, you might not get... Sometimes it's not the- the strategy, or, you know, like, just kind of basically what I said. It's not the what, it's the how. How am I doing this?

[05:58] Speaker 1: Exactly.

[05:59] Speaker 2: Is it in a calm, graceful manner, or is it, um, haphazardly in haste and resentment and-

[06:04] Speaker 1: (laughs) In haste, right.

[06:04] Speaker 2: ... and- and begrudgingly, or is it like-

[06:07] Speaker 1: Right.

[06:07] Speaker 2: ... "Yeah, I love doing this. This is sweet." I don't, and- and you don't have to love doing it, but if- if that's what you are, you can accept it in the moment and just be like, "Well, this is where I am." So-

[06:15] Speaker 3: ... just love where you are and see it as perfect or choose otherwise, right?

[06:19] Speaker 1: Right. Absolutely. And I know Birdie and I talked this week and, uh, you know, we're kind of sisters so we, uh, we talk, we talk when we can and sometimes, sometimes we go a few days but we always throw a text out there. But we had some really good talks this week and I was sharing with her the same thing about how, man, I'm just exhausted today but I've got laundry to do and this, that, and the other, and I'm like, I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna go with what my body's saying, so. Hey, Birdie, we're not ignoring you. You there, babe?

[06:45] Speaker 4: I think I'm here. I have no idea where I am.

[06:47] Speaker 1: Yeah. (laughs) You're in the now, you're good.

[06:50] Speaker 4: Apparently-

[06:51] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[06:51] Speaker 4: ... I was flying and I just flew right past th- the meeting, uh <|agent|><|en|>

[06:54] Speaker 1: Dang it. Dang it.

[06:56] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[06:56] Speaker 1: You gotta work on those, gotta work on those flaps to come in for your landing.

[06:59] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[07:00] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[07:00] Speaker 4: It's the technical difficulties. The, um...

[07:03] Speaker 1: (laughs) .

[07:03] Speaker 4: And my brand new laptop, I'm like, okay, whatever. It's fine.

[07:06] Speaker 3: Li- like-

[07:06] Speaker 4: It's all meant to be, right?

[07:08] Speaker 1: It's all meant to be. Yeah, how was your week? D- you know? Good?

[07:12] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[07:13] Speaker 1: Great? Excellent?

[07:14] Speaker 4: Absolutely.

[07:14] Speaker 1: I know you sent me some synchronicities.

[07:16] Speaker 4: I know. So many.

[07:18] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[07:18] Speaker 4: So many this week. It's, um, it's been...

[07:22] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[07:22] Speaker 4: We talked about them but there's, there's even more. It's all... Even today I, I sent you one on the way.

[07:27] Speaker 1: (laughs) She did. She did. Uh, uh, Oh, The Larceny, right? That's the name of the band, is that right?

[07:34] Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.

[07:35] Speaker 1: Okay, so that song was shared by one of our favorites at BBS Radio, with Birdie, and it's really, it's, uh, something about good day, good day coming. Good Day Coming?

[07:46] Speaker 4: Yeah. Good Day Coming.

[07:47] Speaker 1: Good Day Coming. And, uh, so the, the song's kind of like, it's one of those turn it up loud, roll down your windows and just sing at the top of your lungs with your hair flying everywhere kind of songs, you know?

[07:57] Speaker 4: That's exactly what I did.

[07:59] Speaker 1: (laughs) And so you're driving down the road and right at the point to where I send her a text, and it just notifies her that she has a text from Sunshine. What did the... What was the line in the song?

[08:10] Speaker 4: Sunshine coming in hot.

[08:12] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[08:15] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[08:16] Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh. Couldn't plan that any better.

[08:18] Speaker 4: But to add to it-

[08:20] Speaker 1: So... Mm-hmm.

[08:20] Speaker 4: ... you said those exact words-

[08:23] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[08:23] Speaker 4: ... in the beginning of the show last week before I told you about it.

[08:28] Speaker 1: Hmm. Jeez.

[08:30] Speaker 4: And then I t- and then I text you and you go, "Well, didn't you tell me?" I go, "No, look at the timing." I said... (laughs)

[08:35] Speaker 1: Right. Yeah.

[08:36] Speaker 4: You just said those words. Be... Yeah. That's what's really cool about it.

[08:40] Speaker 1: That is really cool. And I did go back and check because I didn't remember saying it. I just say things, you know, going off road, coming in hot, you know, those kind of things, so...

[08:47] Speaker 4: Right.

[08:48] Speaker 1: Pretty cool, pretty cool.

[08:49] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[08:49] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[08:49] Speaker 1: So, so, oh, so today's synchronicity, she's behind a... Wow, that's a beautiful car, by the way.

[08:56] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[08:57] Speaker 1: A beautiful pony. We won't get into a lot of details but it's a Mustang. And, um, it has a cowboy hat and the back window perfectly positioned, right?

[09:09] Speaker 4: Centered.

[09:09] Speaker 1: Yeah, perfectly centered.

[09:10] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[09:10] Speaker 1: And then, it's, it's that beautiful... Ah, I'm gonna get the paint wrong. The pony people are gonna hate me. Um, I wanna say it's cherry bomb but I don't know if that's the right name of the paint. But anyway, it's beautiful. It's not like a, it's not like... It's a bright, shiny, r- blue-red. It's not like a... Anyway, it's gorgeous. So she sends it to me and what does the license plate say?

[09:36] Speaker 4: Giddy up.

[09:37] Speaker 1: Giddy up. Giddy up.

[09:37] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[09:38] Speaker 1: So we're getting ready for the show. Giddy up. So, yeah, it's fun.

[09:42] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[09:43] Speaker 1: (laughs) So, I asked my friends to come on today because Sunshine has been getting some stuff, talking to friends, and just getting some downloads that Whiplash Talk was started over two years ago. Just, just basically two years ago, uh, because of some of the, what some people would call dark night of the soul stuff that I was going through. And, you know, the passing of my mother, a year later the passing of Bill, my partner, and, uh, it's, it was a, it was a, it was a, uh, interesting two years.

[10:21] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[10:21] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[10:22] Speaker 1: But now, we're all talking about and we're living in and we're trying to live in the now. And for me to continue on that same bent with the Whiplash Talk Focus, it pulls me back into that timeline and it pulls others back into that timeline. And those records are gonna be in that living library for those that need it when they need it. So it's time for Sunshine to come in hot. Move on.

[10:50] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[10:51] Speaker 1: So, so we are... I, I, I flipped this to both of them today and really it kinda came to me today. Let's, let's... I call it story boarding. It's something that you do, like, in radio or in television, TV. Rob, you know, when you're, when you're story boarding, and Birdie, you probably know too. You, you throw everything out on the table. Okay, this is where, this is kind of what I think and this... Oh, I like that. So you take that piece and you pull over here and you take another piece over here. And so, I kinda hit them with several questions, several things that were on my mind. I want to change the show. I want to change the focus of the show. I'm being led to change the focus of the show. Let me put it that way. And so, I really want us to really tap into, um, source within the three of us to tap into, where is this show supposed to go and what is the content supposed to be? How frequent is the show supposed to air? Is it in the right place?

[11:53] Speaker 1: Does it need to go to a different time? Does it... All of those things because I thought, for people that are listening on the radio, they have no idea what really goes into putting a radio show together and, and the thoughts behind what you do and how you do it. How do you attract sponsors? How do you s- attract donors and subscriptions? You know, do you, you know... How do you put together a business portfolio to shop for the big fish?... you know, that kind of thing. "We're on syndicated radio. Why are we not, why are we not pulling the big sponsors?" If your content is good and your content is something they believe in and it's something that you can stand behind as the host and you can support that product wholeheartedly, w- w- why are, why are our shows not getting that, that backing? So, these are all things I typed out. I f- I, I actually sent them both messages, like, as we were signing on, "Hey, pull up your email.

[12:51] Speaker 1: Here we go." So, it's gonna be kind of fun, because you've got three really live creatives, as you, as you've known from previous shows, uh, together in one little situation, and it's, it's gonna fly. And there's gonna be ideas that come out everywhere, and I'm so glad it's gonna be recorded, 'cause we're probably gonna miss some when we're writing stuff down. But, okay. How was that for a lead-in? What do you guys think?

[13:15] Speaker 2: Amazing.

[13:16] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[13:17] Speaker 2: And I think- I th- ha- I think it's really good too, because it, like, everything has its time, and you know-

[13:23] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[13:23] Speaker 2: ... it's good to recognize that you don't wanna stay on those timelines. And even when I do my show, I go back and I'm telling my story, and it's like, I'm getting sick of my same old story. Like, I wanna move on from it. That's part of-

[13:33] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

[13:33] Speaker 2: ... you know, and I'm sure it's the same reason you did yours.

[13:36] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[13:36] Speaker 2: Because a lot of us can get stuck in our stories that aren't always good, um, you know, mind looping and saying the same things over and over again. Like-

[13:45] Speaker 1: Right.

[13:45] Speaker 2: ... and, and you notice it more with others, but then I've been very consciously aware when I, and I'm trying my best to go within and have that inner body awareness. Not only that-

[13:53] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[13:53] Speaker 2: ... but my inner thoughts. Like, why am I thinking this? Like, why do I keep saying this?

[13:57] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[13:57] Speaker 2: You know, and it's not you. It's, it's- (laughs) you know, your ancestors-

[14:00] Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. Yes.

[14:00] Speaker 2: ... your, you know, whatever, stuff being beamed at you, (laughs) mind control stuff.

[14:04] Speaker 1: Mm.

[14:04] Speaker 2: But, but like, does it serve me, and what's the point? And you know, even, even down to the, to the point of pre-planning conversations and things like that in your head-

[14:14] Speaker 1: Yeah. (laughs)

[14:14] Speaker 2: ... where it's like, "Oh, well if she says this-"

[14:16] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

[14:16] Speaker 2: "... then I'm gonna say that."

[14:17] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[14:17] Speaker 2: And, and like, we don't have to live like that.

[14:19] Speaker 1: No.

[14:19] Speaker 2: That is mind energy all the way.

[14:20] Speaker 1: Yes. Yes.

[14:21] Speaker 2: A- and so, um, and I think it's wonderful that you're looking to get out of that. And, and it's, and it's good to know, notice when it's, when it's course is done. And, and you're, you're just saying, "Hey, I, it's time to move on from me now," right?

[14:33] Speaker 1: Right. Right. Birdie, got anything?

[14:35] Speaker 2: And it, and it takes a while to move on from things. Like, it's not-

[14:38] Speaker 1: It does.

[14:38] Speaker 2: ... I've always, I've always, you know, if we look to the outer world, I've always thought, man, some people are so good at getting over things. And then, people have been like, "Man, you're good at getting over stuff." And I was like, "Well, if you would've seen me cry myself to sleep every night, I don't think you would've said the same thing." (laughs)

[14:51] Speaker 1: (laughs) Right.

[14:52] Speaker 2: You know?

[14:52] Speaker 1: So true.

[14:52] Speaker 2: But everybody has, like, th- you know, that's why looking a- to the outside world and, and, and thinking everybody else has it all figured out, there's so much p- people don't talk about.

[15:01] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[15:01] Speaker 2: And that's why I think, you know, I've, I've really appreciated being here with you and, and s- chatting like this and being authentic.

[15:08] Speaker 1: Thank you.

[15:08] Speaker 2: 'Cause you can't, you can't, like, re- repression is not transcendence. So, if you just keep sweeping shit under the rug, like eventually-

[15:16] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[15:16] Speaker 2: ... you're gonna have to, like, pull up the rug. It's gonna be there still.

[15:19] Speaker 1: It's gonna be worse.

[15:20] Speaker 2: You know, and that's what the majority-

[15:21] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[15:21] Speaker 2: ... of our society has done for so long. So, being authentic and putting all the cards on the table, but then saying, "Hey, I don't even like poker. Let's go play in the field."

[15:29] Speaker 1: Exactly. Exactly. Thank you. I-

[15:32] Speaker 2: You're welcome.

[15:32] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really good. Birdie, got anything?

[15:35] Speaker 4: Rob, I loved everything you said. That's-

[15:38] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[15:38] Speaker 4: And, and both of you. It's, I really enjoy being in the, the here and the now, because that's-

[15:45] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[15:45] Speaker 4: ... all we have.

[15:46] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[15:46] Speaker 4: And so, it feels good, and a lot of times, we get these synchronicities anyway.

[15:52] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[15:53] Speaker 4: And, and it's, uh, I used to be, um, a planner. I used to plan out-

[15:56] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[15:56] Speaker 4: ... "Okay, if this happens, that happens," just like Rob said.

[15:59] Speaker 2: Yep.

[15:59] Speaker 4: We have to be 20 steps ahead just to see all the different outcomes. That is so exhausting, and I'm so done with it. It's o- I'm over it.

[16:07] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

[16:07] Speaker 4: And I don't wanna, I don't wanna do homework. I just wanna show up.

[16:11] Speaker 1: (laughs) I know, like, right?

[16:13] Speaker 4: I know, like-

[16:13] Speaker 1: Right?

[16:13] Speaker 4: ... I'm just, you said this thing and I'm, like, speed reading. I'm like, bip, bip bip, bip bip, you know? (laughs)

[16:17] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

[16:18] Speaker 4: But, um, no, I really, I really like the direction, and it's more about, like, what resonates with the listeners. Is this helping people? Like-

[16:26] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[16:26] Speaker 4: ... we, if you wanna, you put such great content out there, showing your journey over the last couple years, that for those people listening that might be newer and they're like, "You know, what are these people? They're always happy. They're always th- you know, having..." We're, you know, we are having fun because we're together.

[16:45] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[16:46] Speaker 4: And we're in the now, and then these synchronicities show up. I mean, I didn't know I was gonna be on today.

[16:51] Speaker 1: Right.

[16:51] Speaker 4: It, it happened this morning, and everything just worked out. We talked yesterday, and I said, "Oh, you know, I had plans, but I'll be listen- I'll try and listen," or, you know-

[17:01] Speaker 1: Right.

[17:01] Speaker 4: ... "I'll let you know in the morning if anything changes," and it did. And it was like-

[17:04] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[17:05] Speaker 4: ... I was, I was inspired to be on and to be here with the two of you.

[17:09] Speaker 1: Yay.

[17:10] Speaker 4: And that's living in the now, and that feels like a really good direction of, of what you said. But it's, again, if the listeners that might be newer, they can always go back to the archives.

[17:20] Speaker 1: Exactly.

[17:21] Speaker 4: A- and see where you were, and then just see how... I mean, I've been with you from the beginning.

[17:26] Speaker 1: (laughs) yeah.

[17:27] Speaker 4: It's beautiful, the, where you've, I mean, we've gone through it, the crying, the, the, you know-

[17:32] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[17:32] Speaker 4: ... the questioning, the mind energy, the-

[17:35] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[17:35] Speaker 4: ... we've been through it all, and then to come here.

[17:38] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[17:38] Speaker 4: And we're not saying we still don't go through it.

[17:40] Speaker 1: Right.

[17:40] Speaker 4: But we're sharing. I mean, we're putting ourselves out there and sharing, like, you know, our stories. I've shared a lot of-

[17:47] Speaker 1: Yep.

[17:47] Speaker 4: ... you know, addiction things, and Rob has shared-

[17:49] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[17:49] Speaker 4: ... and you have shared, and-

[17:50] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[17:51] Speaker 4: ... these things aren't easy to say on the air to-

[17:54] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[17:54] Speaker 4: ... however many people are listening.

[17:56] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[17:56] Speaker 4: But we're doing it to help others and like-

[17:59] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[17:59] Speaker 4: ... say, "Hey, you know, we're, we get it. We're here too." Make sense?

[18:03] Speaker 1: Right. Yeah.

[18:03] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[18:04] Speaker 1: Perfect sense. Perfect sense.

[18:06] Speaker 2: Well, and you-

[18:06] Speaker 1: Go ahead, Rob.

[18:06] Speaker 2: ... could I jump in real quick? 'Cause-

[18:07] Speaker 1: Yes.

[18:08] Speaker 2: ... I think that's, I think that's important too. So, um, what Birdie said, um, so com- like, as a, as a kid who grew up- I s- still consider myself a kid. (laughs)

[18:18] Speaker 4: Yes.

[18:19] Speaker 2: I- I'll never stop being a kid. But-

[18:21] Speaker 1: Never.

[18:22] Speaker 2: ... um, so, you know, I've, I've mentioned on the show before that, uh, like my mom's side of the family specifically, um-... small town, like, at its peak, e- 2,000 people, um, not a big town, you know?

[18:32] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[18:32] Speaker 2: And, and, and that was in its heyday, but now it's like 360 people, but when you grow up in that environment and as a business owner there, you know, it's always, "What will other people think?" But there was a lot of, like k- kids were s- to be seen and not to, to be heard type thing, right? So-

[18:50] Speaker 1: Right.

[18:50] Speaker 2: ... and, and if it, if, if you're so worried about what everybody's thinking and you don't get to voice your opinions, you don't get to be authentic, it's really difficult. Like, like, like Britta just said, you know, we're sharing our authenticities with however many people are, are out there listening or whatever, but like that's, that n- that was never the thing in the past for, at least for my family. So, to be vulnerable and say, "Hey, like this is, this is how I feel," or to just be honest and say, to be your authentic self and not the mask you have to wear because you're in your family or you're in the business or you're whatever or you're i- in the company of people who like to gossip. Like that's, you know?

[19:22] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[19:22] Speaker 2: And, and I think it, it's amazing. I've developed some of the best friendships in my entire life just by being a good listener and not judging people and, uh, like-

[19:31] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[19:31] Speaker 2: ... I don't judge any of my friends. I've been through hell and back, uh, many times and so s- have some of my friends.

[19:36] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[19:36] Speaker 2: But it's like, it's good to, to say, "Hey," like, "Wow, okay." It's, there's other people out there going through this, so it's, I'm not alone. There's, there's resources available. But after a certain point, you get to the, now I think that you're saying it's like, "Yeah, w- well what's the next step forward?"

[19:51] Speaker 1: Yeah. I agree. Um, I, I guess the, the focus of my heart for this is I, I've really kind of, uh, pressed into, um, what's my power? What's, what's, what's my... Why am I here?

[20:15] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[20:16] Speaker 1: And what, what is my secret weapon, you know? You know, I'm a, I'm a superhero. What's my secret? What's my secret?

[20:25] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[20:25] Speaker 1: And mine is, mine is my heart. My love. I love people. Britta, same. S- Britta loves people. You love people. We all love, we all just wanna help people. And so, I can't help them if I am not continuing to grow and share how I'm growing.

[20:43] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[20:44] Speaker 1: And, um, and a friend helped me see that and I'm like, "Yeah, I, I agree. That's good." And, um, I really believe that this, um, this show today with the three of us just putting things together, um, as we are source led, will help, help kinda solidify a game plan for us to, you know, go to, go to BBS and I can work with him and say, "Okay, this is where I'm going. This is what I need. What do you got?" Um, you know, look for, like things like changing the title.

[21:19] Speaker 1: I joked about Whiplash to Wahoo, but I thought-

[21:22] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[21:22] Speaker 1: ... "Yeah, nobody's gonna listen to that." So, but, (laughs) but it was fun. So that's what the, that, so we made that the show title today, so it's from Whiplash to Wahoo. So, uh, at least we got it in there. But, you know, changing the title, that's a radio no-no. That's like you don't, well, you know, once you said it, poof, that's how everybody, you know, you know, Sunshine on Whiplash Talk or Sunshine on Whiplash, they just cut it short and then changing the song, the song is how you're recognized.

[21:53] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[21:53] Speaker 1: I like my song and I like that it's called Sunshine and I think I can still keep it, so I'm still leaning on keeping that one. But, um, you know, I'm open, um, I'm open. I want, I wanna be open to what, how Source wants to work through this show, through me and, and my special friends, my guests that are, that are on here with me. So, (sighs) um, I would just want, you know, I just believe the content should be more active and light and fun and entertaining and pointing out how we carry on, you know, with life, you know, during these cinematic times and so anyway, I can just jump, you, we can just jump in anywhere, wherever... If you guys are feeling inspired, if you wanna take one of these things or you've got something of your own, let's just jump in and talk it through and, and let's go for it.

[22:39] Speaker 2: Well, I think it takes courage to, to, to, to like go in a different direction and I did that, I've done that multiple times in my life and I remember even one of the first times when I was like younger and I was DJing and I, I decided that I'm gonna start playing a different type of music and, and it would like, uh, and people were like, "Well, now you're not gonna like, you know, everybody that li- listens to your mixes for that type of music is, you know, like you're gonna lose your audience."

[23:02] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[23:02] Speaker 2: And I was like, "Well, it's not important to me." (laughs) You know, I, as much as I love making people dance, I, it, it's, it's in me, it's about creating and then, you know-

[23:11] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[23:11] Speaker 2: ... learning to produce this type of music and everything. And so, it's like if I'm doing, if I keep doing that just because it's popular or, you know, like then I'm being inauthentic to myself.

[23:20] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[23:20] Speaker 2: Like this is my journey at the end of my, you know, on my death bed or, you know, when I decide to just leave the body casually. I have to be cool with my decisions, you know?

[23:31] Speaker 1: Right. Right. Um, yeah. I agree. It's when, uh, when, when do we? And-

[23:38] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[23:38] Speaker 1: ... and it does, it does take a little bit of courage because, um, it's kind of uncomfortable because as much as I don't want to watch the, um, as much as I don't wanna watch the numbers, you, you do have the numbers available to see.

[23:54] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[23:54] Speaker 1: How many people are watching your show, how many people are sponsoring your show, you know, how many people are, um, financially spons- sponsoring your show. How many people syndicated are listening. How many people, um, you know, via BBS, uh, alone are listening. And those are numbers that if you're going after the big fish, you need to know those numbers and you need to, you need to be able to communicate and use them, you know, uh, skillfully. And I don't want a job, I want to do what makes me happy. And so, it's a fine line between can I support myself and do this and have fun doing it or can it tip over and be-"Oh, crap. I'm committed. This is how I support myself," and that would be a big step, by the way. It's not even close to paying for itself now, let alone supporting me and, and, you know, doing what I do.

[24:46] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[24:47] Speaker 1: Um, but, uh, I kinda lost my train of thought. But with, with all of that, yeah, let's jump in. Um, BBS, I don't know if we're gonna go that route, but if we do, um, have her call back in if we go that route. Okay, keep going, guys.

[25:06] Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and so, it's, it's interesting 'cause, like, you do have to look at it like that. And, and I can only relate it to, to things that I've done. And, you know, when, a few years ago when COVID was (laughs) going around and stuff, and-

[25:18] Speaker 1: Yep.

[25:18] Speaker 2: ... I started, like, my little show, and I was interviewing people. And I went on a couple of, uh, you know, popular podcasts and things like that. And then, and I had it all set up, and I'm like, "Well, I'm gonna start this, and I'm gonna do," you know? "I'm gonna..." But then I, I, something inside me realized, it's like, well, then, I am just becoming what I'm s- Like, it's almost like I'm becoming my arch nemesis. Like, then I'm gonna have to be the weekly news and the stuff, and I, I don't wanna be the weekly news. I don't care abou- I don't watch the news. I don't really (laughs) pay attention to other people's news as much as I can. Um, so why would I wanna create more of that?

[25:51] Speaker 2: Where it's like, 'cause then I just felt-

[25:53] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[25:53] Speaker 2: ... this pressure to, like, have something, like, you know, juicy that, like, "Tune in next week." And it's not-

[25:58] Speaker 1: Right.

[25:58] Speaker 2: I just want people to show up because they care, not because I have-

[26:01] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[26:01] Speaker 2: ... some truth that I need to divulge to them, um, that, you know, like, I know what the, you know, the, the plan to save the world... I have this inside info. I've, I, I read the cables. I have, you know-

[26:11] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[26:11] Speaker 2: Um, and, and it's all, it's all information outside of ourselves. It's all meant to distract us. So, if, that's why-

[26:15] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[26:16] Speaker 2: ... I, I was, like, and that was, uh, a thing, too. It's like, what do I wanna do? And it's gonna be different for you, especially if you're looking for sponsors and things like that.

[26:24] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[26:24] Speaker 2: So, it's something that you have to really, like, go within to, to figure out, like, what-

[26:28] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[26:28] Speaker 2: ... what is important to you, you know? Maybe we could just get subscriptions so that people, you know, 'cause sponsors, it's like you're, you're beholden to, you know-

[26:35] Speaker 1: Yep.

[26:35] Speaker 2: ... if, if you say something that they don't like-

[26:37] Speaker 1: Yep.

[26:37] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[26:38] Speaker 1: That's very true.

[26:38] Speaker 2: They could pull the rug out pretty quick, right?

[26:40] Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, even, even, um, even subscribers, they do that, too.

[26:45] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[26:46] Speaker 1: So, yeah.

[26:47] Speaker 2: It's all judgment.

[26:48] Speaker 1: It's, it's, uh, it is. It's kind of interesting. Um, it is, but I have had some amazing people support me, um, from all over the world-

[26:58] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[26:58] Speaker 1: ... that have supported Whiplash Talk. And for them, thank you so much for your support, and I hope that, um, this change resonates with you. And if not, it's okay. It's okay. You know, it's okay to go in love. It's fine. But I think it's gonna be an amazing change, so... Birdie?

[27:18] Speaker 4: I do, too. And it's, it's interesting because when we talk and we have these conversations, and they're deeper, and they get, you know, just...

[27:29] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[27:30] Speaker 4: The, the, the word whiplash doesn't resonate with me even anymore.

[27:34] Speaker 1: Mm-mm.

[27:34] Speaker 4: Like, when I think-

[27:35] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[27:36] Speaker 4: ... of you, I don't think of whiplash.

[27:38] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[27:38] Speaker 4: You know?

[27:38] Speaker 1: Thank you.

[27:39] Speaker 4: With... Two years ago, yeah, we were all like, "What the actual is, you know what, is going on?" Right?

[27:47] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[27:47] Speaker 4: See, I'm not using any swear words. I'm saying, "What the actual F is going on?" (laughs)

[27:51] Speaker 1: You're doing good. Look at you.

[27:52] Speaker 2: We get-

[27:53] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[27:53] Speaker 2: ... one swear word each show, though, so just letting-

[27:55] Speaker 4: No, I don't wanna-

[27:57] Speaker 2: ... just letting you know.

[27:57] Speaker 1: You'll use hers.

[27:58] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell, yeah, I'll, I'm gonna double-

[27:59] Speaker 4: You can use mine. I already gave mine.

[28:01] Speaker 2: I'm gonna double up.

[28:01] Speaker 4: I won't use them.

[28:02] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[28:03] Speaker 4: I tried to, yeah, I just, uh, it's like my new thing. I really, uh, I give it all, I give all my swear words away. You can have them, Rob, if you need them.

[28:10] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[28:11] Speaker 4: (laughs) Um, but I, yeah, I, I just, I, I love that you are changing this, because at, at one point, you know, it could be like, "What am I doing? Am I still, am I, i- is this helping people? Like, is this resonating?" And then you get to the point where w- yes, you wanna help people, but you're not s- you're, you're not in the mud anymore, like you used to talk about.

[28:33] Speaker 1: Yeah, uh-huh, yep.

[28:33] Speaker 4: And so h- it, like Rob said, it wouldn't be authentic to continue to talk about those types of swimming in the mud. Yeah, there are other people who are just coming in, but you know what? There's two years of archives to go back and listen to, and it, it's like a, it's like a level up. Like, the, the here and now is different than the previous-

[28:56] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[28:56] Speaker 4: ... here and now.

[28:57] Speaker 1: Yeah, agree.

[28:57] Speaker 4: And so, you're growing and changing, you know? I go back and listen to where... And, and it's really, it is sometimes cool. I try not to go back too much, but sometimes it shows up.

[29:07] Speaker 1: Right.

[29:07] Speaker 4: And it is, it is cool to see the growth and the change. I'm like-

[29:11] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[29:12] Speaker 4: ... "I'm not even close to the same as I was when I started this."

[29:15] Speaker 1: Right.

[29:16] Speaker 4: And, and, uh, and even just to find, find people-

[29:20] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[29:20] Speaker 4: ... find other light beings, find other, you know, family members, like we all are, like-

[29:26] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[29:26] Speaker 4: ... you know, we're all in this together, no matter what part of the path, journey, whatever you wanna call it. It doesn't matter. We're all on the journey. It's just maybe on different... Uh, you know, we're on different paths. We're on different, um, different e- everything. Uh, you know, just, it's just so cool that you're doing this (laughs) . I'm really, really proud... I know I don't wanna say it. I'm just really proud that you're doing this.

[29:51] Speaker 1: Aw, thank you.

[29:52] Speaker 4: It takes so much. And, and yeah, and maybe you might lose some subscribers or lose listeners, but you may also have s- you, you never know what you're gonna gain. Remember what you always were saying?

[30:02] Speaker 1: Yep, yep.

[30:04] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[30:04] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[30:05] Speaker 4: Yeah, and I, I'm happy. I'm really happy for you.

[30:09] Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you.

[30:09] Speaker 4: I'm happy to be here, and I meant to be here today apparently and with, with both of you, and-

[30:15] Speaker 2: Thank you.

[30:16] Speaker 4: ... you know, some of the things that Rob just said about, um, you know, I, I was talking with my daughter, and she had to do like an oral presentation at school. And, and when I was younger, heck no. I am not getting up in front of people and talking.

[30:30] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[30:30] Speaker 4: I would, I was so shy, I, I, I just wanted to like hide in the background, and you know, like Rob said, if you, you never were allowed to talk about your feelings.

[30:39] Speaker 2: No.

[30:39] Speaker 4: It was like suffer in silence, suck it up-

[30:41] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[30:41] Speaker 4: ... cupcake. Like, don't talk about how you feel, and pr- it was basically a pretend life, and that's how-

[30:47] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[30:48] Speaker 4: ... I-

[30:48] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[30:48] Speaker 4: ... that's how I grew up.

[30:49] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[30:49] Speaker 4: It's, it's live and pretend, pretend everything's fine, never say that anything's wrong.

[30:55] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[30:55] Speaker 4: Um, and, and this is fa- this was foreign for me. I can't even believe I talk on the radio. Are y- are you kidding me? Like-

[31:02] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[31:02] Speaker 4: ... like (laughs) this is just-

[31:04] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[31:05] Speaker 4: ... j- just really interesting. Like, I was one-

[31:08] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[31:08] Speaker 4: ... of the shyest people. Well, and it's easy when you have some anonymity, right?

[31:12] Speaker 2: Same. Same, yeah.

[31:12] Speaker 4: I mean, we're on the radio and-

[31:13] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[31:13] Speaker 4: ... and people are listening. I have no idea, you know, what... I have no idea what they think, what they... Well, it doesn't matter to me because we're here doing this, and if anything that we're putting out there from our own experiences is resonating with people and there's three different, you know, we still have personalities and, you know-

[31:31] Speaker 2: Right.

[31:31] Speaker 4: ... even though we live from the heart, um, some people y- might... We're from all different parts of the country, a different country, Rob, you know? Well... (laughs)

[31:41] Speaker 2: Yeah. (laughs)

[31:42] Speaker 4: But it's, um, it-

[31:44] Speaker 2: From the world.

[31:44] Speaker 4: ... there's something for everybody when-

[31:46] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[31:46] Speaker 4: ... when you have, uh, you know, special guests on and, and friends-

[31:49] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[31:49] Speaker 4: ... and family members and, and it's... There's something for everybody, and that's really cool.

[31:55] Speaker 2: Cool.

[31:55] Speaker 4: So yay you. Thank you.

[31:57] Speaker 2: I just, I just wanna let what, let the, the, (laughs) the, the listeners in America know that I'm probably further south than a third of them. (laughs) A lot of people-

[32:05] Speaker 4: You are.

[32:05] Speaker 2: ... do.

[32:05] Speaker 4: I know, right?

[32:06] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

[32:06] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.

[32:07] Speaker 2: If you look at where, if you look at where like south- southern Ontario is, it's like, there's a lot of states that are above where I live, so... (laughs)

[32:15] Speaker 4: Yep. Yep.

[32:16] Speaker 2: I, I'm not as northern as some of you people. As some of you'uns, as they say in Missouri

[32:21] Speaker 4: Y- yous guys.

[32:22] Speaker 2: You'uns. You' guys. You' guys. You' guys

[32:24] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[32:24] Speaker 2: Although I am from n- a- a lot, like about four and a half hours north of w- here, so I'd, I'm, I'm, I'm a northern boy at heart, but-

[32:31] Speaker 4: Aw.

[32:31] Speaker 2: ... I do live... We call this the south of Ontario, which is further south than, you know, a lot of the states, so.

[32:37] Speaker 4: Yeah. That's crazy.

[32:39] Speaker 2: Yeah. So there's a lady that, uh, I did some work for when I lived in a particular area of the country. I won't give too many details, but she was very, very popular, uh, n- evening radio, uh, DJ, and it was, uh, a show that she would do, and it had her name in it. I won't say it 'cause I don't have permission, but it, it, it was love songs with her name. And so I was thinking, "Okay, well maybe I put Sunshine into the ni- into the name, into the title." Because a lot of people go, "I, I listen to Sunshine. I listen to Sunshine's show." You know, they, uh, they don't... "What's, what's the name of your show again?" So I'm like, "Okay. Hmm. Okay.

[33:17] Speaker 4: There's a name right there. Sunshine Show.

[33:20] Speaker 2: Sunshine Show. (laughs)

[33:20] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[33:21] Speaker 2: Yeah, but that doesn't, that doesn't tell other people what to... Yeah, I agree. Boom.

[33:25] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[33:25] Speaker 2: I thought that too. But then I keep, I keep writing things out. So like I've got Sunshine Now, Sunshine In The Now, Now Sunshine, and then I wrote down that, that s- that thing, it came to me and I said, "Synchronicities with Sunshine." And I thought, "Okay, something with sunshine." So that's something that I wanna kinda keep fleshing out while we're doing this show, just something with sunshine. So if something comes to you that we're talking, you know, and it comes out, you know, spit it out. Yeah.

[33:52] Speaker 2: I love the

[33:52] Speaker 4: Um-

[33:52] Speaker 2: ... I love the synchronicities. I ha- I ha- Can I share mine for today to make sure? Well, so I think I might have mentioned it once before, but it, it's back. So there's, um, there's this house just like around the corner and I live in town homes, so t- when I go out a certain way, I can see this, this, uh, one, one house. Um, and they have a, strangely enough, a, a green, like it looks like a, a traffic light. It's not a traffic light, but it's the same color green as a traffic light in their back patio, like on their, you know, in their backyard. And it's only on like, I don't know, it might stay on for four days and then it's off for like two months, and then it's on. But it was on today, and, and so I've noticed that when this green light is on, I think of, you know, aviation people like landing Right ... an aircraft on an aircraft carrier like Right ... Paul Ball. Like I'm, I'm level, I'm coming in for a landing, I'm good to go, I'm not too high, I'm not too low.

[34:41] Speaker 2: I'm like on the flight path, you know, I'm, I'm good to go. And so I've noticed other times when this green light is on, it's like they're on great days. It's like, wow, like things in my life are... It's, it's one of those synchronistic or I know maybe it's a timeline, but when I'm on that timeline, I know everything's in the flow even... And so I woke up this morning felt- feeling a little off, and then the green light was on, and I was like, "Sweet." (claps hands) And so (laughs) ..

[35:02] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[35:02] Speaker 2: ... I try not to let the outside world affect me, but I was like, "That's what I needed. I needed that green light." Like green is go, synchronicity, call the ball, let's do it. Yeah, so it's

[35:13] Speaker 4: Love it.

[35:14] Speaker 2: ... it- it's perfect-

[35:15] Speaker 4: That's so cool.

[35:15] Speaker 2: ... for today because everything's in the flow and it's, it's lining up, and so yeah. I love it. That's so good. I, um... Birdie, you have any synchronicities you wanna share while we're talking about synchronicities

[35:28] Speaker 4: Well, it, there's synchronicities, but there's also lots of just... I guess it's like if you're aware and you're open to, to receiving, the signs and symbols are everywhere, and then they're funny and they're-

[35:43] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[35:43] Speaker 4: ... for you and they're a- a- it, it just starts to become the norm when you step out of all of the things that we used to talk about. I, I mean, it doesn't feel right anymore to talk about-

[35:56] Speaker 2: Right.

[35:56] Speaker 4: ... those things. Um-

[35:58] Speaker 2: Right.

[35:58] Speaker 4: ... so, I mean, I had a couple. I was, I was at this, um, cafe yesterday-

[36:04] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[36:04] Speaker 4: ... and-... I, I guess, it, it's, like, in this little small city, and they have these met- you know, the meter maids going around, and I forgot-

[36:13] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[36:13] Speaker 4: ... to pu- to put the thing on my a- you know, I have an app for it to park.

[36:18] Speaker 1: Oh, no.

[36:18] Speaker 4: And I'm watching them give me a ticket, right? I'm like, "Too late to even go on the app." I'm like, "Oh, whatever. It happens." I'm like... And everybody else was getting, 'cause there was a bunch of cars that were getting, getting hit, and they were all like, "Oh," they're getting, like, grumbling, and I'm like, "Eh, whatever. It is what it is." Like, I, you know, I'm not gonna worry about it, and I saw him standing at the back of my car, and (laughs) I just put, like, a peace symbol on the back of my car (laughs) , and I put, like, this...

[36:41] Speaker 4: a couple of little fun things on my car, which I don't normally do, but I had just put, like, a peace symbol magnet-

[36:46] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[36:46] Speaker 4: ... that was, like, flowers, and-

[36:48] Speaker 1: Yes.

[36:48] Speaker 4: ... so I go out, and I had, like, a good attitude about it. I just really didn't care, and I walk out, and it said zero. He didn't give me (laughs) the tick. He gave everyone else a ticket-

[36:57] Speaker 1: Nice.

[36:57] Speaker 4: ... but me, I was like, "Hehe," 'cause I just didn't gripe about it.

[37:01] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[37:01] Speaker 4: I was like, "Hehe."

[37:02] Speaker 1: That's so cool.

[37:03] Speaker 4: And then, um, it was so much fun, like, those types of things, and then, um, the other one was I was going, like, to the edge of, like, the major city, like, the, the furthest suburb.

[37:14] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[37:15] Speaker 4: And I was getting close, and I'm like, "Oh, I gotta stop." Like, "I c- I gotta go," you know?

[37:19] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[37:19] Speaker 4: I drank a lot of water. I got chocolate tea. Like, I need to find somewhere to go.

[37:23] Speaker 1: Right.

[37:24] Speaker 4: So I put in, like, the main, you know, the main, uh, place that we all go around here and find the nearest one, and I'm like, "Oh, cool, there's only one that's, like, 10 minutes away." So I change my map, and as I'm getting there, I'm like, I see this street name, and I'm like, "Oh, boy, I know where I am. This is not good." (laughs)

[37:42] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[37:42] Speaker 4: I was going into a neighborhood that was quite suspect. We'll put it to you that way, like, somewhere where, you know, you kinda steer clear of. I thought, "Well, you know what? I'm divinely protected, and I gotta go." So-

[37:54] Speaker 1: All good. Yeah.

[37:55] Speaker 4: ... I pull in, and I pull into this spot that was, like, one of my good numbers, and, uh, I stuck out like a sore thumb at, you know, and that's okay, and I pulled in, and I was going in, and there was a, you know, homeless person standing outside that, uh, was asking for s- anybody with spare change. Nobody would even look at him.

[38:14] Speaker 1: Right.

[38:14] Speaker 4: And I walked right past him because, you know, I'm like, "Gots to go." So I go in-

[38:19] Speaker 1: Yep.

[38:19] Speaker 4: ... and I-

[38:20] Speaker 1: Yep.

[38:20] Speaker 4: ... (laughs) you know, I come back out, and he looks at me, like, right in the eye.

[38:25] Speaker 1: Right?

[38:26] Speaker 4: And I just went in my pocket with whatever was in there, and I had a 20 in my pocket, and I just handed it to him, and he looked at me like I was an alien. Like, "What?"

[38:36] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[38:36] Speaker 4: And then was like, "Oh, my gosh, thank you, thank you." And I'm thinking that's what, that's why I was meant to go there. I was meant to go and give this man the $20, even though he was asking for a dime.

[38:48] Speaker 1: Oh.

[38:48] Speaker 4: And so I just don't question these things anymore.

[38:51] Speaker 1: Right.

[38:52] Speaker 4: Where, in the past, I would've been like, "Oh, I better find a different place to go. It, this is not, could be a little dangerous." Nothing happened. It was fine, and I was, I was meant to be there. So I always, you know, look for... I don't question things, and I don't go, "Oh, maybe I shouldn't." I just go with it, wherever it's leading me-

[39:11] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[39:11] Speaker 4: ... and it takes me to the coolest places. So those, those types of synchronicities, and, like, even the signs and symbols that we get all the time-

[39:19] Speaker 1: Yep.

[39:19] Speaker 4: ... with... You know, we were talking, and I had just decided to come on your show, and then this Mustang pulls in front of me-

[39:25] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[39:25] Speaker 4: ... and it was... it had the black racing stripe. It was souped-up.

[39:29] Speaker 1: Yep.

[39:29] Speaker 4: And it was loud, and I was like, "Okay," and then I saw the cowboy hat before I saw the license plate-

[39:34] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[39:34] Speaker 4: ... and it says, "Giddyup." I'm like, that's the, that's the way we talk sometimes, like-

[39:38] Speaker 1: Yep.

[39:38] Speaker 4: ... off-road, giddy up, let's go.

[39:40] Speaker 1: Let's go. (laughs)

[39:41] Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's like, I, I just, I like the high energy and the, uh, the high vibration-

[39:46] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[39:47] Speaker 4: ... and it feels good-

[39:48] Speaker 1: Me too.

[39:48] Speaker 4: ... to stay in this space.

[39:50] Speaker 1: Me too. I agree.

[39:51] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[39:52] Speaker 1: Some of my experiences this week, there were a lot. There was one day at work, after I had... I had some downloads that kinda happened that I was up pretty much all night, pretty emotional. You know sometimes when you're just working through stuff, you know, the emo- the, you know, emotions go, and I'm working through some stuff, and, and having stuff come online, and kind of like, "Really? Okay," you know? And kind of working through it, and, uh, (laughs) I... The next day at work, it was like every song on this girl's playlist was directly for me.

[40:27] Speaker 4: Good.

[40:27] Speaker 1: I mean, to the point, to moi- to the point of where I started writing down the titles or writing down the line that spoke to me or writing down the artist in the line and stuff like that, and it was like an all-day affair. It was so fun. I'm like, "I hear you. I hear you. Okay, I gotcha."

[40:43] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[40:43] Speaker 1: "Oh, that's so sweet. Thanks." You know that kind of stuff.

[40:46] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[40:46] Speaker 1: And then, and then I'd just be sitting there working and just laughing because I'd be like, "Oh, okay. Yeah, I gotcha on that one," you know? That kinda thing. And then, um, I was going through, uh, a grocery store, and I just happened to look up. I was going to buy some cookies, (laughs) and I was going to buy some cookies, and I took a picture. I'm like, "Oh, hellll no." I'm saying, I'm using my word 'cause it's worth it. The, the, the name of the cookies, I won't say the maker, but the name of the cookie was Montauk. I'm like, "Wh- wh- what?

[41:20] Speaker 1: What?" I'm like-

[41:20] Speaker 4: That's weird.

[41:21] Speaker 1: ... I'm like, "I don't care if it's milk chocolate chip." Uh, I'm like, "Nope." I, I sent it to, I sent it to Birdie, and I said, "Um, nope." And she sends me back... She knows I love cats, and she sent me back this cat (laughs) GIF, and it's like the cat, and then, but its head just going back and forth, "No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no." (laughs) And I just cracked up laughing because I'm like, "No, no, no, no. I don't need, I don't need, like, uh, no. I don't need any of that in my diet. No." So I'm like, "Who would name a cookie that after the... It's, wow. That is just right there in your face," so made me laugh.

[41:55] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[41:56] Speaker 1: But yeah, the songs-

[41:57] Speaker 4: It was fun.

[41:57] Speaker 1: ... were, were amazing. It was really funny. Yeah.

[41:59] Speaker 4: I, I have, I had amazing songs yesterday, the other day, and actually, you know which one was, um, I thought was interesting? 'Cause I'm always looking at the license plates. A few weeks ago, um-

[42:08] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[42:08] Speaker 4: ... when I went to print off my, uh, foundational healing posters to put them up in the l- like, local community, um-

[42:14] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[42:14] Speaker 4: ... I'm, like, looking out the window at the place do- making prints of it, and, uh, I see a car coming at me, and it's got th- the word Valkyrie on it, and I was like-

[42:25] Speaker 2: You know what? I don't-

[42:25] Speaker 1: Oh, nice.

[42:26] Speaker 2: ... actually, I don't actually know what that is, but it's like-

[42:28] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[42:29] Speaker 2: ... you know, what's the message in it, you know? And, um, I thought it was interesting because I don't know if you guys know what Valkyries are.

[42:34] Speaker 1: (laughs) Is it... Yeah, isn't that from the Thor movie? The Valkyries from, from like the-

[42:38] Speaker 2: Well, yeah, they're like, um, they're like a host of female figures who guide souls of the dead to-

[42:42] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[42:43] Speaker 2: ... uh, to the God who was following me.

[42:44] Speaker 1: To, um, Valhalla.

[42:45] Speaker 2: Valhalla, yeah.

[42:46] Speaker 1: Valhalla, uh-huh.

[42:47] Speaker 2: And, you know, it's interesting because it's like I always had that connection with that because my mom's maiden name, the first three letters are actually O-D-N. So it's like... (laughs)

[42:57] Speaker 1: Odin.

[42:57] Speaker 2: ... yeah, yeah. And, uh, so the whole, the whole name, I won't say it on the air-

[43:01] Speaker 1: No.

[43:01] Speaker 2: ... but the whole name refers to Odin's steed, which was the horse he rode. So, like, I've got, you know-

[43:06] Speaker 1: Wow.

[43:06] Speaker 2: ... I've got Norse in my, my blood, I guess.

[43:09] Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess.

[43:11] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[43:11] Speaker 1: Yeah, wh- where I was going with that, with, uh, um, with all the songs, kind of like you said you had a lot of songs talking to you, I used to always say back in the Christian days, I used to always say, um, "I got a God wink today." And so when I was talking to Birdie the other day, I said, I said- (laughs ... "They're quinks." (laughs)

[43:29] Speaker 2: So it's a Q-wink. So they're quinks. So now they're quinks. So I get quinks now. So you get-

[43:34] Speaker 1: I like that coin phrase, quinks.

[43:35] Speaker 2: Yeah, quinks. So everybody can use it, you know. I'm not gonna copyright it, you can use it, you know. Everybody just run with it. So anyway, yeah, so I just want all the listeners to know that the show is changing, but it's changing for the good, and I really think that it'll be... It's growing with how everybody is growing, and we've got archives, you know. I call them living libraries, but we've got archives to send our friends that are, that are, you know, are going through some things. And there's gonna be some stuff that happens and there, there are gonna be a lot of people that are gonna have a big whiplash. And so please, please, please, use the show, use the archives to send people to, and, and let's just believe and just trust that we've laid down good tracks, source-led, that, that will help people with, with what's coming these next, you know, few months, years, whatever.

[44:30] Speaker 2: Yeah

[44:30] Speaker 1: So, um, I don't really even know if we have time to really work on any of this stuff other than just to let people know that it's changing. I b- I believe my song will still be the same. Right now, I'm still in the same spot, s- same bat channel and, um-

[44:46] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[44:46] Speaker 1: ... uh, the name is most likely going to change. It will probably have my name in it. Uh, but the content is gonna be more active and, and light and fun and entertaining and just- In the now

[45:01] Speaker 2: ... in the now, helping people, even helping people understand. Like the other day, uh, you know, when you wash dishes or you're in the shower, that's, you know, your head, your mind just whoo goes off or whatever. When I was doing dishes the other day, I was like, "Oh, yeah, come back. Woohoo, sunshine, come back." So I'm like, "Okay, I am washing. I'm literally... I am washing this blue bowl and it's beautiful." Yeah

[45:27] Speaker 1: "And I am so thankful I have clean water, and I am so grateful," blah, blah, blah, just to bring myself back into the now because I was whoo, I was off, you know. And I'm like, "Woop, woop, woop, come back."

[45:40] Speaker 2: Woop, woop, woop.

[45:40] Speaker 1: So it's just things. When I was at the, at, at a place where there was some, like, um, trees and, you know, water and stuff like that, I was there, and my mind had started to wander. I'm like, "Oh, no, no, no, not while I'm here, mm-mm. No."

[45:55] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[45:55] Speaker 1: And so when I drive to work now, I make myself... Because that's another time that, that you can have your mind jump in t- in overdrive. So now, I'm just looking in the trees like, "What do you have for me today? Who, who am I gonna see today? Am I gonna see deer? Am I gonna see an eagle? Am I gonna see crows? What am I gonna see on my drive?" You know, that kind of thing. And, and, uh, so I'm really trying hard to retrain me.

[46:21] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[46:21] Speaker 1: And so if I'm working hard to retrain me, there's gotta be others out there that could learn and grow from, from that too, so.

[46:29] Speaker 2: That's wonderful, and it- it's such a process because it's like, it's just an ongoing thing, you know. Like, it's just... (laughs) I actually... Here's another synchronicity. So I started-

[46:39] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[46:39] Speaker 2: ... saying, like I used to, uh, relate being in the present moment to like walking a tightrope, you know.

[46:44] Speaker 1: Yeah. (laughs)

[46:44] Speaker 2: That implies that you're on the rope, but, um, so-

[46:48] Speaker 1: Right.

[46:48] Speaker 2: ... recently, I started saying, "Oh, you know, the, the present moment's pretty slippery s-" 'Cause, you know, like you can go forward or back. You could f- slip forward or backwards or to the side, you know, and be in an alternate timeline. And, and like that's... If you're thinking about the future or the past or I'd rather be somewhere else in the present, you know, like it doesn't really matter. Um, but as I walked into the grocery store, there was three, uh, three like little pylons with a person slipping. It was just like a person slipping in a, in an exclamation mark, you know?

[47:16] Speaker 1: Right. (laughs)

[47:16] Speaker 2: No words. But there-

[47:18] Speaker 1: Right.

[47:18] Speaker 2: ... because there was a wet floor there, so there was like three signs of somebody slipping, and I just started laughing because like, yep, the present moment's slippery, so just remi- rem- always remind-

[47:26] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[47:26] Speaker 2: ... yourself. And like you said, like I- I keep telling myself, I figure out new ways 'cause you could do the tools, you could do the mind to heart drop, but sometimes-

[47:32] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[47:32] Speaker 2: ... you just need that little nudge of saying like, "Wait a minute, I'm not... I'm thinking about the past or I'm anticipating about the future." I'm like-

[47:39] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[47:39] Speaker 2: ... "This present moment is too beautiful, like to just, you know, take a sip of water and, and do this slow, small sip, and swoosh it around your mouth so that your saliva..." And that's how you're actually supposed to drink, you know. Um-

[47:49] Speaker 1: Yes.

[47:49] Speaker 2: ... I come, I come from the like, you know, br- go, go till you're dehydrated and then pound a, a liter of water and it's like-

[47:54] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[47:55] Speaker 2: Now, it's like I try to do it with intention and just-

[47:57] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[47:58] Speaker 2: ... the present moment, like Birdie said earlier, it's all we have.

[48:00] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[48:00] Speaker 2: Like literally moment to moment. And to make the, the things that happened, you know, we, we've chatted about it before, like things that happened, you know, maybe you had a crappy thing that happened to you three hours ago. Make it feel like 10 years ago, make it feel like-

[48:14] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[48:15] Speaker 2: ... you know, a year ago, whatever.

[48:16] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[48:16] Speaker 2: It's, it shouldn't be on your radar anymore because it's in the past.

[48:20] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good. That's good.

[48:22] Speaker 2: Yeah, and-

[48:23] Speaker 1: I know.

[48:23] Speaker 2: ... and sometimes... Oh, I'm sorry.

[48:24] Speaker 1: No, no, go ahead.

[48:26] Speaker 2: So-

[48:26] Speaker 1: So when you were saying about like a crappy thing happening-

[48:29] Speaker 4: It's also about how we can create our own reality. And-

[48:33] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[48:33] Speaker 4: ... like, the crappy thing would've been getting, me getting that ticket. I would've been annoyed and what I, it would've been crappy. But it's, it's more about, like, "Okay, I got to experience that all the other cars got tickets and I didn't." Like, i- just because of the way we, the way-

[48:49] Speaker 1: Your inner change.

[48:50] Speaker 4: ... we're viewing things.

[48:50] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[48:51] Speaker 4: And, a- and it's, like... So-

[48:52] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[48:52] Speaker 4: ... it's more, say, something happens that might seem like it's unpleasant, it's like, "Okay, well, where is this leading me?" Like, there's, i- it's-

[48:59] Speaker 1: Right.

[49:00] Speaker 4: So it's, it's that change of attitude instead of the, "Woe is me," and, "Why does that always happen to me?" And, you know, it's easy to go there.

[49:08] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[49:09] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[49:09] Speaker 4: Because the whole, you know, there's a lot of, you know, things that le- try and lead us there.

[49:13] Speaker 1: Right.

[49:13] Speaker 4: But to kind of, you know, we're f- like we talked about flowing like water.

[49:18] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[49:18] Speaker 4: And, and apparently the three of us have a lot of stories about doing dishes. I mean, we just...

[49:24] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[49:25] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[49:25] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[49:26] Speaker 4: Music and dishes, I guess that's the three things.

[49:29] Speaker 1: I know, I know.

[49:29] Speaker 2: Oh, speaking of music, did you guys, did you guys listen to the mix a little earlier?

[49:32] Speaker 4: Oh, yes.

[49:33] Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

[49:34] Speaker 4: I'm so sorry. Yes, it was so good.

[49:37] Speaker 2: Yeah?

[49:38] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[49:38] Speaker 4: And, and I'm gonna say this on the air, Rob, okay? Because, um, I put it on and I was (laughs) , I'm, I was on my, my favorite little chaise lounge that I keep in my office and I decided that I was gonna go upside down. I'm weird.

[49:52] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[49:52] Speaker 4: Because they say (laughs) , "It's good for your circulation." So, here I am, and I put it on and I realize, I'm like, "Oh, my gosh, I'm moving." Like, it made me move.

[50:03] Speaker 2: Nice.

[50:03] Speaker 4: So-

[50:04] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[50:04] Speaker 4: ... I thought of somebody that teaches, um, a sort of dance that... And it, I immediately thought of that person, so I'll, I'll send you a message on the side, but they may be interested in, um, custom playlists for their classes. So maybe I can-

[50:21] Speaker 2: Oh, cool.

[50:21] Speaker 4: ... hook you up. What do you think?

[50:23] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[50:23] Speaker 2: That's awesome. I love it, 'cause I love hearing when people, like, tell me, "Oh, you know, like, I listen to your mix when I'm doing housework or when I'm at the beach," or, like, one guy who does, he teaches, um, yoga classes and he's like, "Yeah, I played that mix, this specific one," and like, you know, it's just awesome to, to know that people out there resonate with it and enjoy the journey and stuff like that.

[50:43] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.

[50:44] Speaker 4: And it's different. I mean, it's different.

[50:46] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[50:46] Speaker 4: I'm like, you know, I usually listen to, like, r- like, rock, l- rock music, classic rock, stuff like that. And I like all music. And it was just, it was really interesting and I was like, "Okay, I'm moving." Like-

[50:57] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[50:57] Speaker 4: "This is cool. You made me move."

[50:59] Speaker 2: Well, that's awesome. I listen to so many different types of music as well. Like I, I think there, to me there's just good music and bad music, so I, I listen to classical, I listen to rock, I listen to house. But I, I really love the dance music and I love... It was something that I loved to do when I was younger to go, like, it's great to hear the song that you love but also, you know, like Sunshine was saying, um, you know, when we keep thinking about the past, like, a lot of times music can trigger such fond memories.

[51:23] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[51:23] Speaker 2: It's like, I don't wanna hear that song. It may, you know, it, sometimes it brings up memories of when you first heard it or whatever, so I used to love hearing new music, you know? And a lot of people, um, they're, they're, they get set in their ways and they're like, "Oh," you know, like, but it's good to experience that. I used to go to clubs and I'd be like, "What is this? I love this." Like I keep, "How have, how have I not heard this before," you know? So I love playing new music for people because I think it's, it's nice to expand our horizons.

[51:46] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[51:47] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[51:47] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really good. Really good. Any parting thoughts? I haven't even looked. Have we been given the, the gaff now?

[51:54] Speaker 2: Yeah, we got th- we have three minutes.

[51:54] Speaker 4: I think we have a couple, like, three minutes. Yeah.

[51:56] Speaker 2: We have three minutes.

[51:57] Speaker 1: Oh, I see, three minutes, look at that.

[51:58] Speaker 4: That was three. Three.

[51:59] Speaker 2: Three.

[51:59] Speaker 4: Whole minutes. One each.

[52:00] Speaker 1: One each, okay.

[52:01] Speaker 4: Let's go.

[52:03] Speaker 1: Go.

[52:03] Speaker 2: All right. All I have to say is th- this, this one's to our prime minister. << Let my people go >>

[52:12] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[52:16] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[52:18] Speaker 4: Oh, my god.

[52:20] Speaker 1: I couldn't, I couldn't even have said anything better. That was amazing. Yes.

[52:25] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[52:25] Speaker 1: I wholeheartedly agree. Please, (laughs) , please let, let our people go. Let us be one. Birdie, what you got?

[52:34] Speaker 4: Well, you really threw me off with that.

[52:37] Speaker 1: I know.

[52:37] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[52:37] Speaker 1: It was really good. I know. He's never gone political before and he, he just went there. He did it.

[52:44] Speaker 4: (laughs) I think, I think it's really fun to be shocked. Like, just surprised. I, I mean, it made me, I, oh, I didn't snort on air or anything, but you really got me on that.

[52:54] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[52:54] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[52:55] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[52:55] Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I, I just wanna thank you both. Bird, if you've got something, jump in. But I just wanna-

[53:01] Speaker 4: I can't, I, I'm good.

[53:03] Speaker 1: Okay. I just wanna thank you both for being a part of Whiplash Talk. I don't know how l- much longer we'll fly under that flag, but the flag is gonna change. It's still gonna be the same vibe, it's still gonna be the same peeps, it's still gonna be the same energy, it's still gonna be the same heart. And I just want to let everybody know, don't be thrown off if the show page changes or if, um, you know, something changes. Just come back next week, we'll still be here, it's just things are gonna be in the mix. And it may take a couple, a two to three weeks to get it all worked out.

[53:38] Speaker 1: And so thank you so much to you, Birdie, and to you, Rob, and to all the-

[53:43] Speaker 2: Thank you for having me on again.

[53:43] Speaker 1: ... guests that have been on my show. Absolutely.

[53:46] Speaker 4: Thank you.

[53:46] Speaker 1: Thank you to my... Absolutely. Thank you subscribers and thank you, uh, donors, and thank you future people that want to support this show to help others and love others. But-

[53:56] Speaker 2: And BBS and Tee.

[53:57] Speaker 1: That's where I was going next.

[53:59] Speaker 2: Okay.

[53:59] Speaker 1: And to my favorite, BBS, and, and our favorite, Tee.

[54:03] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[54:04] Speaker 1: We love you so much with the coolest dog on the planet. And I think that's a wrap, guys. What do you think?

[54:10] Speaker 2: All right. Send it on home.

[54:12] Speaker 1: All right. Let's do.

[54:13] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[54:14] Speaker 1: Okay, Sunshine's going out hot.

[54:16] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[54:16] Speaker 4: (laughs) Good day coming.

[54:18] Speaker 1: (laughs) Right? (upbeat music)