[00:00] Speaker 1: (Music) First in our Bill of Rights is the freedom to hear uncensored ideas and opinions, to think your own thoughts, and to say what's on your mind. We couldn't have liberty without it. Now, more than ever, it's good to spout off. To listen, debate, and participate. Here's your host of Spouting Off, commentator, columnist, and all around rabble-rouser, Karen Catalin. (Music) Now, the one who protects us all from prattling prognosticators and perfidious pundits I say America stay out the bushes.

[00:58] Speaker 2: Look for the Union label.

[01:02] Speaker 3: And to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. From my cold, dead hands.

[01:10] Speaker 4: I'm concerned that if we don't impeach this president, he will get reelected.

[01:14] Speaker 1: (Music) It's time for the Alan Nathan All Stars, the longest running nationally syndicated centrist show in the country. Now, here's your All Star host.

[01:24] Speaker 5: Yes, Alan, uh, A- Al Green, he did get reelected, so all your impeaching of Donald Trump didn't get the job done. Karen Catalin here, one of your Alan Nathan All Stars, and, uh, good to be with you on this very busy news day. And just in honor and memoriam of Alan Nathan, uh, here is his motto. "We want the Republicans out of our bedrooms, the Democrats out of our wallets (throat clearing) , and both out of our First and Second Amendment rights." Dramatic throat-clearing there. (laughs) Um, we're going to dive right in with our first guest, Josh Haston, award-winning journalist. He's the Middle East correspondent for JNS, and the host of the weekly radio program, Israel Uncensored and the Land of Israel Radio Network. Josh Haston, thank you for joining us here on Alan Nathan All Stars.

[02:29] Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.

[02:31] Speaker 5: Well, boy, I wanna hear more about, uh, Israel Uncensored. Um, who's censoring (laughs) Israel, I wanna know? And, uh, uh, a- and of course you're here to talk about what is currently going on in Iran once again. People are expecting or, or looking, you know, have our sights on Iran to see whether there's going to be more unrest there in Iran, and what Donald Trump will do. So, first off, why don't you give us a bit about Israel Uncensored, and we'll move on to Iran?

[03:10] Speaker 2: Sure. Israel Uncensored is my weekly podcast in which I take the gloves off and talk about the realities of the situation here in Israel and the Middle East, try to give a perspective that people aren't getting in the mainstream media in the US and other places. So, that's my podcast. I also do two video podcasts on JNS TV, one called Jerusalem Minute with my co-host, CEO of JNS, Alex Streimand, and another one called Judaication, which I host, focusing on the realities of-

[03:39] Speaker 5: (laughs) .

[03:39] Speaker 2: ... Judea and Samaria, the biblical ancestral heartland of the Jewish people. So, those are my-

[03:46] Speaker 5: I love that.

[03:46] Speaker 2: ... programs. (laughs)

[03:47] Speaker 5: That's great.

[03:48] Speaker 2: Thanks.

[03:48] Speaker 5: How long have you been doing this program? And I have a reason for asking. (laughs)

[03:56] Speaker 2: Well, so, I mean, I've been in Israel now 24 years, so I've been a journalist all that time through various news outlets. And my, you know, my radio work has evolved over the years. I was doing work with Israel National News. At one point I was running Jerusalem Post Radio, and most recently JNS, Jewish News Syndicate. So I've been doing this-

[04:16] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

[04:16] Speaker 2: ... for a long time now. From the great state of Indiana.

[04:20] Speaker 5: How about that? How about that? I guess I was... Uh, this is, uh, too general a question, but, you know, as an American Jew living here and, uh, watching, uh, most people might not argue with the fact that, um, uh, antisemitism, or I just call it Jew hatred, is, uh, suddenly socially acceptable in parts that were never really acceptable before. How has your reporting changed? If you wanna say just a word or two about that. Because it's disturbing and, uh, of great concern to Jews all over the world, but especially in America, it was the stalwart. I don't think America has turned against Israel and the Jews, but a lot of very noisy people are, uh, saying it's perfectly okay to hate on a group of people because of their ethnic or religious, uh, leanings. So, what do you say about that?

[05:25] Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. Listen, antisemitism has been around for literally thousands of years. You could just pick up a Bible and read what was going on in ancient Egypt, where the Pharaoh, uh, later, uh, actually adopted by Hitler, carried out policies in which first the Jews were, you know, put into ghettos, and then slowly, slowly subjugated. And then next thing you know, you had, uh, Kristallnacht, the br- the Night of the Broken Glass there in Germany. And slowly, slowly, that's how things were 4,000 years ago, and that's where things are today.

[05:58] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

[05:58] Speaker 2: And fast-forward till October the 7th, 2023, when the biggest-

[06:02] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[06:02] Speaker 2: ... massacre against the Jewish people took place since the Holocaust.... and somehow, the world turned against Israel. It turned, not only against Israel, but against the Jews, whether you're in LA, whether you're in New York, whether you're in Europe, certainly. You saw what happened, the horrible shooting there on Hanukkah in Australia.

[06:21] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

[06:22] Speaker 2: So, you know, it, it's nothing new, and it's just ironic that, you know, just as an example, the world claimed... Those who turned against the Jews claimed this was about Gaza, this was in support of the Arabs there, and the Jews were doing horrible things, even though this was all self-defense. Yet when thousands and thousands, we'll talk about Iran, thousands of people were massacred by their own government regime, by the Iranian regime, you had no protests at Columbia University. You had nobody wearing pins at the, uh... What, what, what, what did you have yesterday, the Grammys? In support of the people of Iran?

[06:58] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[06:58] Speaker 2: You're talking about the hypocrisy.

[07:01] Speaker 5: Nothing. Nothing.

[07:01] Speaker 2: Just reeks of hypocrisy. There's no Jews, no news.

[07:04] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[07:04] Speaker 2: And that's, that's the way it's been, not only over the last two years, but many, many years. Unfortunately amplified, as you know, in the United States, and all, in all major cities, really. Um, you know, does, does the United States turning against the Jews? No. Does Israel and the Jews have many, many friends and allies throughout the United States? Absolutely, but it's getting more and more disturbing. We saw just last week, the Chabad House there in Brooklyn, New York.

[07:30] Speaker 5: Yes.

[07:31] Speaker 2: A crazy guy ramming it with his car time and time again.

[07:34] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[07:35] Speaker 2: Um, many, many, many thousands and thousands of incidents. So, but what I... My message, really, to the Jews out there is you have to be strong. You have to learn to defend yourself. And, and really, that's the reality, uh, whether we like it or not.

[07:49] Speaker 5: Well, that's a good place to leave that part of the discussion. I had about five more questions (laughs) , but it'll have to wait.

[07:57] Speaker 2: Sure, go for it.

[07:57] Speaker 5: Why don't you update us as to what's currently going on in Iran, uh, as you see it from your very unique vantage point?

[08:07] Speaker 2: Absolutely. I mean, first of all, people have to realize that Iran, who just massacred, I don't know if it's 10,000 or 30,000 if not more of its own people-

[08:16] Speaker 5: Yes.

[08:16] Speaker 2: ... is the world's largest supporter of international terrorism. They have the blood of thousands of their own people on their hands, of Israelis, of Americans on their hands. That's who they are. Now, we're hearing reports that perhaps there are going to be some sort of negotiations, maybe in Turkey, between the United States and Iran to come to some sort of agreement in regard to Iran's nuclear program. But at the end of the day, in my opinion, it's not gonna lead anywhere. Iran is determined to build a nuclear weapon, weapon, and first target little Satan, that's what they call Israel, and then the big Satan, the United States. So they could, you know, have all this posturing and pretending and, you know, saying now they're willing to negotiate. I mean, maybe, maybe they are somewhat, since President Trump has his armada surrounding Iran, uh, here in recent days. Maybe now they realize that the United States means business.

[09:09] Speaker 2: I don't know how they forgot that, since the US struck them before, took out their nuclear capabilities.

[09:15] Speaker 5: That's right.

[09:15] Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, Iran cannot possess a nuclear weapon. And i-in addition, they have these ballistic missiles, perhaps thousands, aimed at the state of Israel, aimed at US bases in the Middle East, and that-

[09:25] Speaker 5: No.

[09:25] Speaker 2: ... that can't happen, and I think the president understands that.

[09:29] Speaker 5: Yeah. Uh, I am hearing from some friends here that because of what's going on in Iran, which doesn't make sense to me, maybe you can clear it up. And of course, in, in the Middle East, uh, news, it's, it's always multi-multi-leveled and nuanced. It's never just black or white in politics in general. They said that the Abraham Accords have been derailed or delayed right now because of what's going on in Iran. But as I understood it, um, at least Saudi Arabia was very much in favor of getting rid of Iran's nukes. Could you clear that up a little bit for us?

[10:11] Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no doubt, you know, Saudi Arabia, a direct, uh, neighbor there of Iran. Um, you know, the Saudis are in this position where on one hand, they want to remain loyal, at least, you know, publicly, to their neighbors, and they don't want any more trouble with the Iranians. They already had the Houthis, who were attacking Saudi Arabia for years, just up, up until recently. So, I think they understand. I have no doubt, actually. They understand the reality of the situation. They understand the Iranian nuclear threat. Iran could turn their nuclear weapons towards them.

[10:42] Speaker 5: Uh-huh.

[10:43] Speaker 2: But understandably, they have to kind of play this... They have to kind of play this game where they appear that they're, you know, some- somewhat centrist. They have to, they have to appear as, you know, say things to the United States like, you know, "We don't want you to use, uh, Saudi Arabian airspace to attack Iran." So they're kind of in the middle there playing both games. Do I think they'll be a member of the Abraham Accords eventually? I do. I think so. I think now is the right time to bring, you know, Saudi Arabia into this normalization with Israel. I think it's gonna happen.

[11:12] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

[11:12] Speaker 2: I don't know when, but I think they're headed that way.

[11:14] Speaker 5: Josh Haston, thank you so much for joining us. Where do people find your Israel Uncensored podcast?

[11:22] Speaker 2: Well, the best way, I think, is to go to jns.org, go to JNS TV on YouTube, and, uh, that's where you can find me.

[11:31] Speaker 5: Thank you so much for joining us. Godspeed. Thanks for the great work you're doing. We appreciate it. We're going to take a quick break. When we come back, we'll have more on Alan Nathan's All-Stars on the Main Street Radio Network.

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[12:55] Speaker 5: Welcome back, everyone, to Alan Nathan's All-Stars. I'm Karen Cataline, commentator, columnist, all-around rabble-rouser. I maintain a pretty active Twitter page @KarenCataline, and that's spelled K-A-R-E-N, yes, I'm a Karen and not afraid to admit it, Cataline, K-A-T-A-L-I-N-E. (clears throat) Just go there to my Twitter page and, um, you'll find that I have things pinned, um, uh, o- and I come up with these, uh, short sentences which I think are very important. And the one that I'd like to alert you to is the, quote, "social justice movement" that claims to fight bigotry and hate is bigotry and hate. I could go into that in greater detail, but we do have our guest, and we're going to switch gears right now to welcome him back to the program, co-owner and vice president of JKC Trucking, the largest refrigerating company based out of Chicago. His name is Mike Kucharski. Welcome, Mike, to Alan Nathan's All-Stars. Good to have you along.

[14:13] Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you. Thanks for having me back on your show.

[14:16] Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah. So boy, trucking and trucking issues, and of course I've told you, I'm married to a trucker so I get a little bit of a bird's-eye view than the normal city kid, uh, which is what I am, gets. (laughs) And, um, it is, uh, great that you, that you come on talk radio to enlighten people of how important trucking and issues concerning getting products to the market, to the grocery stores and everywhere else. W- they don't just grow on trees.

[14:49] Speaker 5: So, uh, given that, it's not surprising that California-

[14:56] Speaker 3: (coughs) .

[14:56] Speaker 5: ... has, uh, new trucking emission standards that they're about to implement, and why are truckers so very much against this?

[15:06] Speaker 3: So the EPA stands that the trucker ... So it's really funny because E- California was the leading engine to go to OEM manufacturers and say, "We need to put more stricker, uh," DPF systems, they're called DPF systems, "that stricker emission systems on trucks to, uh, not pollute in California." And just to begin with, you know, just to clarify things, obviously you said you're b- uh, married to a trucker. Diesel emissions are not as bad as gasoline emissions, so it was, it was very questionable that they went to the OEM. OEM, without any questions, just put it on all m- new trucks moving forward.

[15:42] Speaker 3: And this was a struggle-

[15:42] Speaker 5: What's OEM? For our listeners, what's OEM?

[15:46] Speaker 3: Um, excuse me. So when I say, when I refer to the OEM, the OEM is, is the manufacturers of the trucks like Kenworth, Peterbilt, the, the, the, the manufacturers that build the trucks.

[15:55] Speaker 5: Okay.

[15:55] Speaker 3: They went, they went to them and the manufacturer- It's just like Ford or somebody, and they said, lo-

[15:59] Speaker 5: Yeah, but what does it stand for, O-E-M?

[16:03] Speaker 3: O- Uh, O- OEM, uh, oh my gosh. I, I, I forget it.

[16:06] Speaker 5: Okay. Well, that's okay. I didn't mean to put you on the spot there. Um, yeah, just so for people who may not know that lingoi- lingo. Sorry to interrupt. Go ahead.

[16:16] Speaker 3: No, no, no. So the State of California went there and said, you know, to these manufacturers, "We need these in all new trucks moving forward," even though the California's the only one who requested this, uh, device. You know, just to g- give you an idea, here in Illinois we don't have it. New York, Florida, uh, Texas, only California. So and, and California started making these rules pushing this EPA agenda. How's this? We all support clean air, but when they put these systems in, they, number one, that adds about 40,000 plus to the truck cost. Uh, the new systems had a lot of issues, and the biggest problem is when something happens to these systems, there's any kind of failure or something, it puts you s- in something called derate mode. So let's say me, you and I are cruising along the highway and we get derated, we go to 15 miles an hour, or five miles an hour depending what, what manufacturer it is, in the derate mode.

[17:10] Speaker 3: So we have to get off the highway, we're going 55, and we have to get off the highway because we got derated to the shoulder, and then we have to struggle along. Let's say we find a shop that will fix us, let's say two miles away or five miles away. We still have to go five miles an hour down the shoulder which is dangerous, you know, because how does this... Truck should not be able to derate out of nowhere for, for something like this, and to, we should have the safety that we could get off the road safely, because staying on the shoulder is a ha- a hazard. You know, it's a, it's a fact that, you know, the longer you stay on the shoulder, the more, uh, your percentage goes up to being hit by somebody on accident, and this is the frustration. And we truckers have spent millions and millions of t- m- dollars fixing these systems, maintenancing these systems, and we've delayed so much product as we go into derate mode.

[17:59] Speaker 3: The truck will leave here, let's say our yard, checked, everything's good, and it'll derate, of course, somewhere in middle of nowhere, Wyoming, where it's hard to get fixed, and it slows down the supply chain. And what, what's happening, EPA's coming and said, "Hey, look. You have to redo this derate mode that it has to give the drivers more, uh, miles," which is, which I agree. And, and it blows my mind that they allowed this to just come in to begin with, and it's just a hazard. You know, it's, it's, that the, the Trucking Association hasn't s- you know, sued these people saying, "Look, you just cannot go from no- from, you know, full speed to derate mode because it, it's unsafe.

[18:36] Speaker 5: Right. Right.

[18:36] Speaker 3: And obviously, you know, it costs the truckers-

[18:39] Speaker 5: Well, you're in a-

[18:39] Speaker 3: ... and the consumers a lot of money.

[18:40] Speaker 5: You're in a different political-... uh, environment than the many years when we had, um, POTUS 44 and what I consider to be POTUS 44's third term, Otto Penn, the administration before this one, because they were friendly to California intrusions into the trucking industry, uh, uh, unfair and ridiculous intrusions into the trucking industry. Now, you have a more friendly EPA, uh, in, I think it's Lee Zeldin?

[19:18] Speaker 3: Lee Zeldin.

[19:18] Speaker 5: The EPA Administrator-

[19:20] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[19:20] Speaker 5: ... who's taking to task California, which, of course, we know there are much greater issues, not greater 'cause transportation, uh, is huge, but there's the backstory of the politics that California dares not do anything that isn't oppositional to this president, and they will continue to fight with the president through every industry and, of course, the governor who wants to be president, or so he thinks. So, how does that affect the truckers when they watch all this and, uh, yeah, that and more.

[19:58] Speaker 5: (laughs)

[19:59] Speaker 3: You know, the, the truckers are upset. The truckers are upset. They're reasonable people, you know?

[20:03] Speaker 5: Right.

[20:03] Speaker 3: They talk a lot between themselves, uh, you know, so, you know, there's some few bad apples, but, but they're, they're upset about this because how's this? When they make a rule, like, when truckers travel, we have the federal motor carrier that makes the rules for all the states and what applies in Illinois should apply in California, and you have these states that, like California say, "Hey, no, follow our rules." No, no, no.

[20:25] Speaker 3: It should be all the states because they're combined-

[20:27] Speaker 5: Recalcitrant states, I think would be the word, right? So, you're going through a state. You gotta go through a state to get somewhere else that's friendly to truckers and then you have to, uh, uh, abide by unreasonable rules that cost you and everyone else a lot of money. This isn't new, uh, you know, in politics that people get used as pawns in a much bigger issue that really doesn't affect, uh, anything but the politics.

[21:00] Speaker 3: Thank you for that.

[21:00] Speaker 5: I'm wondering, do you feel the need to kind of appease the other side by paying homage to the climate change nuts? Uh, there goes the, um, um, the music. Forgive me. I asked you a question and probably don't have time to answer. How can people find you and follow you, Mike Kucharski? And hear more.

[21:24] Speaker 3: Yeah. They can go on, uh, jkctrucking.com, or if you're looking for a career change, you can go on jobs@jkctrucking.com-

[21:31] Speaker 5: (laughs)

[21:31] Speaker 3: ... to, uh, apply for a job.

[21:33] Speaker 5: That would be great. I know you need good truckers. Thank you so much, Mike. We'll talk to you again. Well, we'll be right back with more on Al & Ethan Allstars on the Main Street Radio Network.

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[22:54] Speaker 5: Welcome back, everyone, to the Al & Ethan Allstars. I'm Karen Cataline, happy to be one of them, and, uh, we have, as our next guest, a political analyst columnist with Town Hall and author of America's Last Chance. He's also host of the award-winning Ringside Politics. Jeff Cruer joins us right now on the Al & Ethan Allstars. Hi, Jeff. Good to have you along.

[23:23] Speaker 10: Hey. Hey. Great, great to be with you.

[23:26] Speaker 5: Yeah. So, you are up on something that anybody who's got a room temperature (laughs) IQ ought to be concerned about. Uh, conservatives were, were, uh, smeared and mocked for saying that there may have been some fraudulent, uh, behavior in the 2020 election, and now all kinds of revelations are coming out-

[23:53] Speaker 10: (clears throat)

[23:55] Speaker 5: ... about Fulton County, for one. So, tell us more about that and what you can report.

[24:02] Speaker 10: Well, I mean, uh, I think a lot of us believe the 2020 election was questionable. Uh, we saw the, the vote count stop, uh, we saw when it, you know, picked up again, all these new votes for Joe Biden, uh-

[24:19] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[24:19] Speaker 10: ... we saw what they were doing in, um, Michigan, you know, covering the windows where we couldn't look in. We, we heard about the, the water main breaking in, uh, Atlanta, supposedly causing a shutdown.

[24:32] Speaker 5: Uh huh.

[24:32] Speaker 10: So, I mean, you know, the, the, the ballots being delivered by truck, uh, um, you know, it just, one thing after another-

[24:40] Speaker 5: All filled out and not creased?

[24:42] Speaker 10: (laughs) Right.

[24:43] Speaker 5: (laughs)

[24:43] Speaker 10: Right. And, um-

[24:45] Speaker 5: Hm. Yes.

[24:46] Speaker 10: ... you know, the people that were making the, uh, accusations were treated like trash, treated like, uh, idiots, uh, you know, prosecuted. Uh, you know, Rudy Giuliani had to, you know, pay a massive, um, cost, uh, to, uh, one of the ladies in, uh, Georgia that, uh, sued him. I mean, he was really, uh... They really socked it to him as far as, uh, the payment that he had to make. So, all these things happened, but President Trump kept saying, you know, the, uh, the election was fraudulent. He seemed very confident in it. Then all of a sudden we see that, uh, you know, again in Venezuela, and, uh, that's been a l- the claim from many that, you know, Venezuela was involved in these voting machines, and, uh, we don't know what kind of information has been gathered. And we kept hearing that, "All right.

[25:40] Speaker 10: Well, something's gonna happen here domestically." Then lo and behold, you had, uh, the FBI conducting a search, uh, in Fulton County, and, uh, picking up, uh, 2020 election records, uh, that, uh, you know, have been in question all these years. I mean, we're, we're five and a half years later.

[26:01] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[26:01] Speaker 10: So they seized hundreds of boxes of ballots. They seized voter rolls. They seized ballot images in other elections from... and other election records from that 2020 election. So, obviously the people in Fulton County are defending their work and, and now they're planning to file a motion challenging what they say is an improper seizure of the records. So, uh, the battle goes on.

[26:28] Speaker 5: Yeah. I know this is, uh-

[26:31] Speaker 10: (clears throat)

[26:31] Speaker 5: ... doesn't seem like much of a question, (laughs) but, but if they're so certain that nothing is out of order and nothing is questionable, uh, why are they so desperate to hold onto those ballots and claim that they were improperly seized? Wouldn't they be jumping to have people look at them to prove their innocence?

[26:56] Speaker 10: I think that is a very good point, and there was a, an interview with one of the, uh, commissioners who said that, you know, they'd been fighting all these years to, uh, make sure that they were not released. They spent, uh, millions of dollars, is what she said-

[27:12] Speaker 5: Uh-huh.

[27:12] Speaker 10: ... to make sure that these materials were not, uh, divulged. So, I think they're obviously hiding something, and, uh, you know, we all saw video of what was going on there with the, the ballot counting, you know, the questionable boxes, uh-

[27:29] Speaker 5: Running-

[27:30] Speaker 10: ... the question is whether some of these ballots-

[27:31] Speaker 5: ... ballots through machines numerous times.

[27:33] Speaker 10: ... were run five times, right.

[27:35] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[27:36] Speaker 10: And e- every time people would mention it, "Oh, you're crazy. It was a, you know, the safest election ever. Uh, nothing to see here. Move on. You just won't accept the will of the people." I know Georgia, and I, and I know that Georgia is not a, a liberal state. And I've always questioned the so-called victory of, uh, of Joe Biden there. Uh, I mean, we're supposed to believe Joe Biden got 81 million votes in, in 2020, 12 million more than Barack Obama.

[28:06] Speaker 5: Uh-huh.

[28:06] Speaker 10: Uh, and he didn't even campaign, if you remember correctly. I mean, he barely-

[28:09] Speaker 5: He was in his basement.

[28:11] Speaker 10: (laughs) Right.

[28:12] Speaker 5: And most people, even the Democrats, though they lied about it, knew that he was in mid to late stages of dementia. It was as obvious as-

[28:23] Speaker 10: Right.

[28:23] Speaker 5: The only people to whom it wasn't obvious were people who were in dementia, you know, who didn't know that. I, I would also add, you, you were almost (laughs) ni- you're nicer than I would be. The thing that was most suspicious to people who didn't delve as deeply as you just did was not that people were called crazy for asking. They were vilified for asking.

[28:50] Speaker 10: Right.

[28:51] Speaker 5: They were told they were un-American for asking, and that it threatens the dem- uh, democracy, which is as preposterous as possible, because in a non-democracy, you don't get to question, and yet they proceeded to question the election of Donald Trump. How transparent is that really? Quite-

[29:12] Speaker 10: Well, that's, that's what they do to shut down debate and discussion and investigation, say, you know, "You're challenging, uh, our democratic system. You're trying to, you know, overthrow a valid election."

[29:25] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[29:25] Speaker 10: And, and just the opposite happened, really.

[29:27] Speaker 5: Yes.

[29:28] Speaker 10: I mean, it was, it was not a valid election, in my opinion. There were too many, uh, problems with it. Remember, that was in the, the period after, you know, during and the midst of COVID, and they had all kind of procedures in place where you had massive, uh, mail-in balloting. I don't trust, uh, mail-in balloting. I don't trust, um, you know, these machines. Uh, I don't trust these officials in, in some of these states that were in charge. Uh, unfortunately, valid lawsuits were thrown out because they claimed that the people didn't have standing. Uh, no court would seem to wanna look at this, uh, like they should have. Supreme Court didn't. Nobody did. And, and then, of course, Joe Biden gets in there and implements four years of absolute horror on the American people.

[30:15] Speaker 5: Yes.

[30:15] Speaker 10: And it is, by the grace of God, a miracle that Donald Trump-

[30:19] Speaker 5: Uh-huh.

[30:19] Speaker 10: ... got elected again (laughs) and is in there now-

[30:22] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[30:22] Speaker 10: ... trying to clean up the mess.

[30:25] Speaker 5: Yeah, and they're just still fighting, uh, tooth and nail, and, uh, in fact, uh, being pretty un-American about it, (laughs) by starting, you know, paid rioting in places, uh, uh, to fight law-abiding citizens. It's- it's, um... Y- you know, eventually there is a, uh-... what's the word? Uh, i- i- i- y- you build fact upon fact upon fact, and you begin to wonder how anybody could believe the same entity that gets caught in lie after lie. I, uh, uh... Let me ask you this, Jeff.

[31:04] Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.

[31:04] Speaker 5: And by the way, could you stay for one more segment?

[31:07] Speaker 10: Yeah. Sure, sure.

[31:08] Speaker 5: Oh, that would be great 'cause there's a lot more to discuss here, and I would love to have you. Um, the people-

[31:14] Speaker 10: Definitely.

[31:14] Speaker 5: ... who've been watching this for so long... You know, Rush Limbaugh used to say, call it the drive-by media, and what he, he was so cogent in pointing out is that you can make these outrageous claims, and by the time people get around to proving them wrong, you've succeeded in doing what you set out to do. And I think that there is a level of frustration here that it is so difficult to hold people accountable, and that's why they get away with it.

[31:49] Speaker 5: 'Cause if it's taken us five and a half years to even begin to unravel this, this, um-

[31:55] Speaker 10: Right. (clears throat)

[31:56] Speaker 5: ... ball of yarn, well, the damage was already done. And then-

[32:01] Speaker 10: Right.

[32:01] Speaker 5: ... of course, the left says, "Oh, forget a... It's water under the bridge."

[32:05] Speaker 10: Right.

[32:05] Speaker 5: Well, if we don't have a method for holding people accountable for election fraud, uh, in a timely fashion, then they get away with election fraud. So could you speak to that a little bit?

[32:17] Speaker 10: Well, I, I would say that's a real problem. I mean, uh, I can go back to Benghazi. Uh, nobody was held accountable for that. Fast and-

[32:25] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[32:25] Speaker 10: ... Furious, no one was held accountable for that. The-

[32:28] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[32:28] Speaker 10: ... targeting of the Tea Party groups by the IRS, no one was held accountable for that. How about the Russian collusion, uh-

[32:34] Speaker 5: Uh-huh.

[32:35] Speaker 10: ... nonsense? No... Who was held accountable for that? No one. Uh, the rioting during the summer of 2020 when people were burning down cities, uh, no one was really held accountable for that.

[32:44] Speaker 5: Taking over six blocks of a city and claiming-

[32:47] Speaker 10: Right.

[32:47] Speaker 5: ... that wasn't, that wasn't insurrection, but January 6th was. I mean-

[32:52] Speaker 10: Right, and, and-

[32:52] Speaker 5: ... it's one insult to your intelligence after another.

[32:55] Speaker 10: And then for January 6th, they throw grandma in prison.

[32:59] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[32:59] Speaker 10: They throw pastors in prison, people that just walked into the place. So they went overboard on that, and they let all these other things go. That's why-

[33:09] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[33:09] Speaker 10: ... we say there's not really a single standard of justice.

[33:11] Speaker 5: (instrumental music plays) See why we need you for another segment (laughs) ?

[33:15] Speaker 10: (laughs)

[33:16] Speaker 5: Let's, let's pick it up there. When we get back, we're talking to Jeff Cruere, um, political analyst, columnist with Town Hall, author of America's Last Chance. We'll be right back on the Alan Nathan All Stars. I'm Karen Cataline on the Main Street Radio Network.

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[34:47] Speaker 5: (instrumental music plays) Well, welcome back, everyone, to the Alan Nathan All Stars. I'm Karen Cataline, and we are in the midst of talking with Jeff Cruere, political analyst, columnist with Town Hall, author of America's Last Chance, and host of the award-winning Ringside Politics. You know, since we're always a little rushed at the end of an interview, (laughs) even when we've had somebody on two separate segments, talk about your book, and then we'll get back to Fulton County. America's Last Chance. When did you, uh, w- w- write that, and do you think we're getting a, uh, a, a, an extra chance now, or how do you view that? 'Cause I can tell you, I surely did not think that it was a done deal that Trump could win, especially in light of the amount of corruption that we all watched in 2020.

[35:55] Speaker 10: Exactly. And, uh, and, and that's why, I mean, I... Uh, my contention was that the election of Donald Trump w- was the last chance for America. So I wrote that-

[36:06] Speaker 5: Uh-huh.

[36:06] Speaker 10: ... uh, at, at the first election of Trump when he was running in 2016. It was right in election season in 2016, and my contention was if we're going to follow eight years of Barack Obama with four more years of Hillary Clinton, we're-

[36:22] Speaker 5: Uh-huh.

[36:22] Speaker 10: ... done for. So, um, I believe that, uh, it was America's last chance. Thank God Donald Trump was elected. Unfortunately, they stole the election from him in 2020, and we had the four years of, uh, Obama supercharged under, you know, the puppet Biden.

[36:40] Speaker 5: Right.

[36:40] Speaker 10: And, and just to look back, 12 out of the last 16 years were run by, you know, radical Democrats, so... And Trump's first term, as we discussed, they pretty much, um-... investigated him, impeached him, tried to derail him every way they could. It was, you know, one, uh, uh, roadblock after another, COVID, uh, the, the riots, the election, the... I mean, everything was thrown at him. And then of course, in the interim, I mean, he, he faces assassination attempts, he faces law affair, he faces mugshots and raids, and they try to throw him in prison for decades, and they try to bankrupt him. And by a miracle, I mean, he gets, uh, reelected, so, so here we are. And, and I think he has made it a, a, a real commitment to try to get to the bottom of, of what happened in 2020, and, and now we're seeing some action. So many times we don't see action from the DOJ, so many things, as we discussed earlier, just sort of left without, uh, being resolved.

[37:42] Speaker 10: But i- in this case now we see some action, some records have been seized, so we're gonna see where it goes. I found it very interesting that Tulsi Gabbard was there as these, uh, elections were being seized by FBI officials, and she of course is a Director of National Intelligence who has already made public statements about her belief that the machines, uh, are corruptible, and, um, it seems like election integrity is an issue that she's really focused on. So I was glad to see her there.

[38:13] Speaker 5: Well, I think there are a lot of people, I, I can't speak for everybody, but I know a lot of people that are unbelievably pessimistic 'cause they're so used to things never being, uh-

[38:24] Speaker 10: Right.

[38:24] Speaker 5: ... resolved and there never being any accountability, because you just, uh, laid it all out for us. How optimistic are you that this is actually going to lead to some people being-

[38:36] Speaker 10: Wow. (laughs)

[38:37] Speaker 5: ... held truly accountable, uh, the very people that lectured us incessantly that no one is above the law.

[38:44] Speaker 10: Right.

[38:44] Speaker 5: Except them, of course.

[38:46] Speaker 10: (laughs) Right. Well, I am, uh, I'm, I'm, uh, cautiously optimistic that this will lead to something. Uh, um, I'm hoping that, you know, we're gonna see some action, because we got midterms coming up, and, uh-

[39:00] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

[39:00] Speaker 10: ... I don't believe that our elections are secured. Uh, we've got to see a- action by Congress. There, there are two pieces of legislation we should all get behind, the SAVE Act and the Save America Act, uh, which involves election integrity.

[39:16] Speaker 5: Yes.

[39:16] Speaker 10: And we need to see these Republicans that have a majority deliver and, and get these measures implemented, because if the Democrats take back control, I mean, forget it. It's, it's impossible at that point.

[39:29] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[39:29] Speaker 10: So I'm hopeful that we're gonna see some developments in this, uh, FBI action and, um, you know, hopeful that maybe Congress will, will do something if, if we can get enough pressure on them to act, 'cause-

[39:45] Speaker 5: Well, we know-

[39:46] Speaker 10: ... time's running out and the midterm's getting closer.

[39:47] Speaker 5: Yeah. We know why, uh, grassroots conservatives are so pessimistic, because in Trump's first term, we watched the do-nothing Republicans who appeared to be enabling the Democrats, or because-

[40:02] Speaker 10: Yeah.

[40:02] Speaker 5: ... they themselves were... And, uh, it, it... We had to paint them into a corner in order to see just how corrupt they were. They said, "Well, we can't do anything because we don't have the House." So they gave them the House. "No, we can't do anything 'cause we don't have the Senate. We can't do anything 'cause we don't have the executive branch." What did they do? They turned against Trump, many of them, uh, and it was clear that they had clear sailing, but they still wouldn't do anything.

[40:31] Speaker 5: So I'm-

[40:32] Speaker 10: I-

[40:32] Speaker 5: ... hopefully, uh-

[40:34] Speaker 10: (laughs)

[40:34] Speaker 5: ... hope that I'm wrong, 'cause I, I don't immediately think, I, that it, nothing will happen, but I'm not too optimistic.

[40:43] Speaker 10: And for good reason, and you just laid it out. I mean, in the first term, we had two years of Republican control and they passed a tax cut, but they wouldn't get rid of Obamacare. Remember what John McCain did?

[40:55] Speaker 5: Yes.

[40:55] Speaker 10: Thumbs down.

[40:56] Speaker 5: Yes.

[40:57] Speaker 10: And, and we're still saddled with a disaster called Obamacare. And, and now we've had-

[41:02] Speaker 5: Well, how come nobody's-

[41:03] Speaker 10: ... two years of Republican control.

[41:03] Speaker 5: ... blaming Obama for, for, uh, you know, he was supposed to have fixed it all, right? It was all... L- let me clarify this in a couple of minutes. I won't say that I'm fully pessimistic, because anybody who, who watched the 2024 election believed, (laughs) realizes that there really is a God, (laughs) and we were given another chance.

[41:29] Speaker 10: Right. Right.

[41:30] Speaker 5: Um, a- and it's clear that Trump is racing against time to fix some of these things in the face of vicious, vicious double standards. They really don't care about honesty or integrity or fairness in any way, shape, or form. Um, let me ask you real, real quick, uh, have you... Are you at all aware of the case of Tina Peters?

[41:56] Speaker 10: Yes. Yes.

[41:57] Speaker 5: Okay.

[41:57] Speaker 10: I am. And it has saddened me, uh, to no end that this woman, who has tried to fight for election integrity in her, sorry to say, corrupt state of Colorado-

[42:10] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[42:10] Speaker 10: ... uh, was targeted.

[42:11] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[42:12] Speaker 10: And, and she's been abused in prison, and, and the president can't pardon her 'cause they're state charges.

[42:17] Speaker 5: It's unbelievable.

[42:19] Speaker 10: So I-

[42:19] Speaker 5: And they're-

[42:20] Speaker 10: It's outrageous.

[42:21] Speaker 5: Yeah. So we have a case of an actual political prisoner who was held to supposedly account for something the Secretary of State actually did. So that's another right that really needs to be corrected. Thank you so much, Gruff- Jeff Cruer, not only for the work that you're doing, but for giving us a second segment. And this is something we'll just keep on watching, praying, crossing our fingers and toes, that something, the truth comes out and people are held accountable. Thank you so much. We appreciate your time. Well, we're gonna take a quick break and we'll be back at the top of the hour with another hour of the Alan Nathan All Stars.

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