[00:00] Speaker 1: (music) First in our Bill of Rights is the freedom to hear uncensored ideas and opinions, to think your own thoughts, and to say what's on your mind. We couldn't have liberty without it. Now, more than ever, it's good to spout off, to listen, debate, and participate. Here's your host of Spouting Off, commentator, columnist, and all-around rabble-rouser, Karen Kataline. (music) Now, the one who protects us all from prattling prognosticators and perfidious pundits I say America stay out the bushes.

[00:58] Speaker 2: Look for the union label.

[01:01] Speaker 3: And to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

[01:08] Speaker 2: From my cold, dead hands.

[01:10] Speaker 3: I'm concerned that if we don't impeach this president, he will get reelected.

[01:14] Speaker 1: It's time for the Alan Nathan All Stars, the longest running nationally syndicated centrist show in the country. Now, here's your all-star host.

[01:24] Speaker 4: It is Karen Kataline up to bat today on the Alan Nathan All Stars. Good to have you along. I'm a commentator, columnist, all around rabble riser... rabble-rouser, and you can, um, visit the Main Street Radio Network, uh, website to get a huge, uh, veritable treasure trove of shows that Alan Nathan has done over the years, and I encourage you to go there, www.mainstreetradionetwork.com. Well, we're going to welcome, uh, Dr. Gilda Carle. She was the host of Fox's Dr. Gilda TV show pilot, MTV's Love Doc, and TV shows on Trinity Broadcasting Network. She wrote the 30 Second Therapist column for the Today Show, the Ask Dr. Gilda column in the National Enquirer, and for Match.com. And she was the therapist in HBO's Emmy Award winner Telling Nicholas. Her latest book is Real Men Don't Go Woke. Love that title. Dr. Gilda Carle, good to have you along.

[02:36] Speaker 2: Thank you. What a pleasure to talk to you, Karen.

[02:39] Speaker 4: Yes, yes. I think we've spoken before. I recognize your voice and, uh-

[02:44] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[02:44] Speaker 4: ... you have certainly done a lot. You know, um, so many, uh, years ago in another life, I worked in the mental health field and 90... I- I would venture to say 97% of people in the mental health field are liberal. How'd you manage-

[03:03] Speaker 2: That is true.

[03:03] Speaker 4: ... to escape that? (laughs)

[03:06] Speaker 2: (laughs) Well, huh, well, not only have I been in the mental health field, I have also been on national television on all the major networks because we never talked about politics. We just talked about people and-

[03:19] Speaker 4: Wow.

[03:19] Speaker 2: ... why can't we get back to that again? I do not know. There's so-

[03:23] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[03:23] Speaker 2: ... much anger out there and there's so, so much polarization and it's sickening to watch this and so much of this is unfounded. So I had-

[03:34] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[03:34] Speaker 2: ... to... I had to write Real Men Don't Go Woke because our men are dying. The suicide rate is four-

[03:41] Speaker 4: Oh.

[03:41] Speaker 2: ... times that of women. I mean, we're seeing such a diminution of men all around us. They're an endangered species. Four times more likely to die from suicide than women. Life expectancy is declining, depression and loneliness is skyrocketing, testosterone levels in young men plummeting, the Y chromosome is shrinking and on and on and on. I had to write this book because women are tur- talk... turning to me and saying, "I can't find a man." Now, it's not that they can't find a man, it's that they can't find a man with a spine.

[04:15] Speaker 2: So the le-

[04:16] Speaker 4: Yeah, and, and the dirty little secret-

[04:18] Speaker 2: We-

[04:18] Speaker 4: ... is that strong men want and need strong... strong women-

[04:23] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[04:23] Speaker 4: ... want and need-

[04:24] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[04:24] Speaker 4: ... strong men. Yeah.

[04:26] Speaker 2: And they're not too happy with the breed of women who are the mean girls, the feminists, the mean girls-

[04:33] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[04:33] Speaker 2: ... the women who just go in to put somebody down, put them-

[04:37] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[04:37] Speaker 2: ... down, kick them to the curb and th- they will live happily ever after. Woke women do not like men, do not like families, do not like f- fa- family interactions and they use... they sprinkle around their favorite word, "racist," every time they don't like something.

[04:59] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[04:59] Speaker 2: Racist.

[04:59] Speaker 4: Or, or homophobe or, uh, uh, misogynist. Hillary-

[05:05] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.

[05:06] Speaker 4: ... uh, Clinton just... those rolled right off her lips and, and even-

[05:11] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[05:11] Speaker 4: ... uh, a lot of people that are not into politics know what a hateful kind of a person Hillary really is. I gotta ask you, did you ever have anybody come to you and say, (laughs) I'll say it, that this war on men is absolutely deliberate? Because if you hate America and you don't want America to succeed, what are you gonna do? You're going to go after the people that love and protect families. You're gonna go after people who fight the wars. And if you can effeminize, you can, uh, um, emasculate men, you can destroy a country. Am I wrong?

[05:53] Speaker 2: I have never heard of... I, um... you're absolutely right, but I have never heard anybody question me as to... or, or state that this is deliberate because I-

[06:03] Speaker 4: It is.

[06:03] Speaker 2: ... don't think they have gray matter that goes that deeply.

[06:07] Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I'll tell you, I, I, I see it in this way and it's really a pleasure to talk to you because I look at things from a mental health way too, but this is your interview, but I do wanna run this past you. Um, I don't think everybody who jumps on the bandwagon is deliberate. I think that they're gullible and they're very vulnerable to social pressure. You know, they wanna be liked and that's what's cool.

[06:31] Speaker 4: But the truth is, is that introducing among the most atrocious things, like that there are 57 genders and little children can be trans, which is abusive beyond words, um-

[06:45] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[06:45] Speaker 4: ... I think that it is a, a, a small number of people, there's like an onion, you know? And the people that are-

[06:51] Speaker 2: That's right.

[06:51] Speaker 4: ... introducing these poisonous cultural ideas to a whole generation of people have it in for this country. That's how you prepare a country for Marxism, socialism, and totalitarianism, is that you, you soften people to the point where they will not fight back. Your turn.

[07:12] Speaker 2: Well, look what they did to the men. Men are just-

[07:15] Speaker 4: My point exactly.

[07:16] Speaker 2: ... internalizing all this negativity and then what are they doing? They're not fighting back. Instead, they're committing suicide.

[07:23] Speaker 4: Yes.

[07:23] Speaker 2: That can't go on.

[07:24] Speaker 4: Yes. Absolutely right.

[07:26] Speaker 2: And now it's filtering down to little boys-

[07:28] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[07:28] Speaker 2: ... who are taking their own lives.

[07:30] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[07:30] Speaker 2: So this can't go on.

[07:32] Speaker 4: Well, what can you say about an ideology that cheers for criminality and ignores-

[07:39] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[07:39] Speaker 4: ... the victims, that wants ... that, that absolutely wants to make heroes out of criminals, rapists, robbers, and murderers, and, and intentionally, uh, uh, ignores the people that they have hurt. I mean, we're talking about moral degradation-

[07:58] Speaker 2: I, I think-

[08:00] Speaker 4: ... here. Right?

[08:00] Speaker 2: You're absolutely right. I have no words for this. I do not understand it. I do not understand how there is a scintilla of reasoning that has gone into this. I, I just don't understand these people. And I ask friends, 'cause I don't ... I don't know, I don't know woke people. I surround myself with people-

[08:20] Speaker 4: Hmm.

[08:20] Speaker 2: ... with a spine.

[08:22] Speaker 4: I don't either.

[08:22] Speaker 2: And I ask friends, "How does this make sense?" And they all say-

[08:26] Speaker 4: I think it's a cultural war.

[08:28] Speaker 2: ... the same thing.

[08:29] Speaker 4: I ... What do they say?

[08:29] Speaker 2: Well, yeah. You're, you're, but-

[08:31] Speaker 4: I-

[08:31] Speaker 2: ... you're right. You're, you're right.

[08:33] Speaker 4: Uh-

[08:33] Speaker 2: It's everybody wants to be loved-

[08:36] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[08:36] Speaker 2: ... and they don't find love in their own interpersonal relationships, so they go out and it's crowd love-

[08:43] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[08:43] Speaker 2: ... and they think-

[08:43] Speaker 4: I think about this a lot.

[08:44] Speaker 2: ... they're part of something.

[08:45] Speaker 4: (laughs) It's also a cult. I mean, you tell me-

[08:49] Speaker 2: Well, it is.

[08:49] Speaker 4: ... if there's very much difference between a cult, uh, like Scientology that vilifies anybody who disagrees or asks a question, and a cult that, uh, has decided that, for example, Hamas are the good guys, right? What, what's the difference-

[09:08] Speaker 2: How, yeah.

[09:09] Speaker 4: ... in a cult like that? It is a religion that people have found, and that's what is so greatly concerning about the position we're in, uh, today. Um, (laughs) -

[09:23] Speaker 2: Well, I think it-

[09:23] Speaker 4: Go ahead. We're ... (laughs)

[09:25] Speaker 2: It's, it's, it's horrifying.

[09:27] Speaker 4: Yes.

[09:27] Speaker 2: Look what they did with the Melania movie. I mean, the left-

[09:30] Speaker 4: Yes, tell us about that.

[09:31] Speaker 2: ... says this is the worst movie, it's going to bomb, it's gonna ... Nobody's even gonna fill up the seats. And then we find, this is fascinating to me, we find that w- women, 83% of the people who saw this movie, who went to this movie, were women.

[09:48] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[09:48] Speaker 2: And they were 45 years old plus.

[09:52] Speaker 4: Oh.

[09:52] Speaker 2: They're not the young white woke women anymore. Now, suddenly, they are women who think, think independently, and they're not listening to the negatives, and they love the movie. The movie got rave reviews. And everybody I spoke to who has seen it absolutely adored the movie.

[10:13] Speaker 4: Great.

[10:13] Speaker 2: Now, for them, for the, for the left to have put this movie down withouth- without ever knowing anything about it or seeing it, was I ... Th- that is, that is ... it should be illegal.

[10:31] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[10:31] Speaker 2: I mean, you don't open your mouth-

[10:31] Speaker 4: But it's politics.

[10:32] Speaker 2: ... until you know something. But if politics-

[10:34] Speaker 4: But if it was about Michelle Obama-

[10:36] Speaker 2: ... then yes.

[10:36] Speaker 4: If was about Michelle Obama, they would cheer it sight unseen-

[10:40] Speaker 2: Oh.

[10:40] Speaker 4: ... whether they saw it or not. So what-

[10:43] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[10:43] Speaker 4: ... kind of credibility-

[10:44] Speaker 2: You're right.

[10:44] Speaker 4: ... do they have anyway?

[10:46] Speaker 2: Well, they don't. And this is what I found fascinating, that these women, 83% of the women, of the people who watched it were women. I think that we have just uncovered a new voting block-

[11:03] Speaker 4: (laughs) I love it.

[11:04] Speaker 2: ... among this crowd. Because in the past-

[11:07] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[11:07] Speaker 2: ... we had just young men carrying the torch-

[11:11] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[11:11] Speaker 2: ... for Trump. Now it's women.

[11:14] Speaker 4: Dr. Gilda, can you stay with us for one more segment?

[11:17] Speaker 2: Sure.

[11:19] Speaker 4: Oh, we love that. Thank you so much. We have so much more to talk about, the movie, maybe even, uh, the, uh, uh, kidnapping case and what's going on there, which is the overcoverage, the coverage which is just wall-to-wall. I don't know, not everybody thinks that, but maybe we'll, we'll ask Dr. Gilda about that too. Uh, stay with us. We will be back on the Alan Nathan All Stars right after this.

[11:46] Speaker 5: We actually went out and surveyed hiring managers from all over the country across different industries, and what they overwhelmingly, 84% of them told us, was that high school graduates today lack the necessary skills to be successful in the workplace. So we said, "Well, what is it? What, what are they missing?" And what they told us is that it's critical thinking, it's problem solving, it's the ability to work together as a team, to communicate, a basic understanding of how business operates, all the way down to personal finance.

[12:17] Speaker 6: Parents should know that the pathway to success is not linear. Many students, uh, parents are grappling with, "Should my kid go directly to a four-year? Should they go to a two-year institution? Should they go into the military? Should they go directly into the workforce?" And there are a lot more choices today that people are navigating. What I would say is, ensure that your student is set up with the right knowledge and skills for success. For more information, you can go to uschamber.com or cb.org/careerready.

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[13:45] Speaker 4: (Instrumental music) Welcome back, everyone, to Alan Athens All Stars. I am having Karen Kataline with you, having a wonderful time talking to Dr. Gilda Carle, amazingly accomplished conservative, uh, author, host of FOX's Dr. Gilda TV show pilot, uh, The Love Doc TV shows for Trinity Broadcasting, um, and the author of Real Men Don't Go Broke. Thank you so much for staying with us, Dr. Gilda Carle.

[14:27] Speaker 2: It is my pleasure.

[14:29] Speaker 4: (laughs) Yes.

[14:29] Speaker 2: So, why do you think real men should not... Real men don't go woke for a reason. Because we want our men, I mean, the normal women, the real women-

[14:42] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[14:42] Speaker 2: ... want our men to have a voice, to have a spine.

[14:46] Speaker 4: And, and-

[14:47] Speaker 2: And woke men do not.

[14:49] Speaker 4: And let's also maybe go a step further and say, why do strong women want our men to have a voice? Because they're the sheepdogs. At least, uh, uh, a woman wants a sheepdog. That doesn't mean we sh- we can't protect ourselves. It means if you, if you're having a family, you want a protector, not a wimp. How about that?

[15:14] Speaker 2: Well, this is, uh, listen, we have only to look at the news today and look at what is happening with this poor 84-year-old woman, Savannah Guthrie's mom, who has been taken, has disappeared. Nobody knows where she is. They're trying to find out. Who wants to be without somebody to watch out for us?

[15:40] Speaker 4: Mm.

[15:40] Speaker 2: We all want this, men and women.

[15:43] Speaker 4: I have a question for you about that. It's becoming an interesting question. Speaking of mental health, people are afraid to ask. I asked it on Twitter. Is anybody feeling guilty about wondering about the massive 24/7 wall-to-wall coverage of this case, uh, that seems to not have a lot of news yet and, and, n- I posited the question, I want her t- I, I want Nancy, even though she hates Trump and she's a leftist, it does not matter, because we are not the people that cheer the misfortunes of others.

[16:23] Speaker 2: Right.

[16:23] Speaker 4: I want her to be found and found healthy and safe. But it just seems like there have been so many terrible crimes that have been ignored by the propaganda media, and now they're falling all over themselves, and they have nothing to report. What's going on? Even FOX News, wall-to-wall coverage, putting everything else on the back burner to report on this one case. Is it celebrity? Um, and then we're finding out, one other thing I want to get your thoughts about. Uh, I don't know if this is true. I checked on it. I did some radio this morning as a guest, and they told me that Savannah Guthrie was quoting a line in The Silence of the Lambs. Did you hear that?

[17:11] Speaker 2: Yeah, I heard that.

[17:12] Speaker 4: I did.

[17:12] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[17:13] Speaker 4: Yeah. I don't know what's going on.

[17:14] Speaker 2: Um, I, I heard, I heard that... Look, I don't know what significance any of this is, but I do know that this is a universal fear, especially for older women-

[17:28] Speaker 4: Oh, yes.

[17:28] Speaker 2: ... who are alone, their husbands have died. They are totally alone, and they feel as though, unlike Nancy Guthrie-

[17:38] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[17:38] Speaker 2: ... they feel as though there are not enough resources to protect them.

[17:42] Speaker 4: Yes.

[17:43] Speaker 2: And then, there are not enough personnel-... to be there for them or even care.

[17:49] Speaker 4: Right.

[17:49] Speaker 2: When police departments in some places, like New York, are being abandoned or being cut back, nobody cares.

[17:58] Speaker 4: Or being defunded. (laughs)

[18:00] Speaker 2: So, you see defunded.

[18:00] Speaker 4: Let's defund them all. (laughs)

[18:01] Speaker 2: I didn't dare say that word. That's exactly right. Well, uh, mom Donny is-

[18:07] Speaker 4: Yes.

[18:07] Speaker 2: ... is very much in favor of defunding the police.

[18:10] Speaker 4: Yes, he is.

[18:11] Speaker 2: If it were his mother, if it had been his mother, how would he feel about that?

[18:17] Speaker 4: It never would be-

[18:18] Speaker 2: You know, a liberal-

[18:18] Speaker 4: ... because communists are elitists who always-

[18:21] Speaker 2: That's right.

[18:22] Speaker 4: ... it's, it's tyranny for thee, and it's anything I wanna do for me. So-

[18:27] Speaker 2: For me, exactly.

[18:28] Speaker 4: ... they never have to, they never have to put up with that sort of thing because-

[18:32] Speaker 2: And, uh-

[18:33] Speaker 4: ... the laws don't apply to them.

[18:36] Speaker 2: They think, until.

[18:38] Speaker 4: Mm.

[18:38] Speaker 2: Until one of these hobos decides-

[18:41] Speaker 4: Mm.

[18:41] Speaker 2: ... to hit them on the top of their head. Then suddenly, they turn around and say, "Wait a minute, I didn't mean that." Really.

[18:49] Speaker 4: Good point.

[18:50] Speaker 2: But they can't imagine how the rest of the people feel, so I think that this whole story about Nancy is very pertinent today, especially as women are living longer than men, and women are alone a lot, and the fear of being taken, molested, raped without any consequence-

[19:17] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[19:17] Speaker 2: ... is very much out there. Now, why the media is covering this so much, because Nanc- uh, because Savannah is a darling of the left wing-

[19:28] Speaker 4: Mm.

[19:28] Speaker 2: ... and I have read about other people being abducted, other white women being abducted-

[19:37] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[19:37] Speaker 2: ... all over the United States, and there's not one scintilla-

[19:41] Speaker 4: Nobody knows their name.

[19:43] Speaker 2: That's right.

[19:44] Speaker 4: Nobody.

[19:44] Speaker 2: Nobody knows their name.

[19:45] Speaker 4: Nobody knows their name. Yeah. Well-

[19:48] Speaker 2: So-

[19:48] Speaker 4: ... I mean, yes.

[19:49] Speaker 2: ... that's, that's your answer.

[19:51] Speaker 4: I- it... Mm. Yeah, well, (sighs) if, if, um, (laughs) if you get rewarded for being superficial and making snap decisions and not wanting to go into the facts of an individual case, then this is a way to turn this into another OJ Simpson story to get ratings.

[20:16] Speaker 2: Well, yeah. Yeah, absolu- look, we all know what the story is on ratings. I've been on, in the television business for so many years, I've been on air-

[20:25] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[20:25] Speaker 2: ... for so many years, um, it's all about the ratings. I mean, you could have three heads, you can say gibberish, it doesn't make a difference.

[20:35] Speaker 4: Huh, yeah.

[20:35] Speaker 2: It's all about the ratings.

[20:36] Speaker 4: Hmm. I wonder why Fox is doing it so much. As a matter of fact, Fox is doing it more, I understand, since I don't really watch MSNBC or whatever they're calling it now.

[20:48] Speaker 2: Oh, I, (laughs) I don't either.

[20:50] Speaker 4: Um, and yet Fox is going nuts with it, the cr- you know, I like, uh, I like Jesse Watters and I like, uh, Gutfeld, and, well, Gutfeld is not covering it, and that's why probably his ratings are going up, because if there's nothing to report, why keep (laughs) reporting it anyway? You're on TV more than mo- than, you know, you're on TV, I mean, th- that's the reason, I guess. 'Cause if it's getting ratings, the people are going to cover it.

[21:18] Speaker 2: If it- that's right.

[21:19] Speaker 4: Yes.

[21:19] Speaker 2: And don't forget, Fox, Fox is headed up by the Murdochs.

[21:25] Speaker 4: Yes.

[21:25] Speaker 2: The son who's running that-

[21:28] Speaker 4: Mm.

[21:28] Speaker 2: ... Fox, Fox News-

[21:30] Speaker 4: Yes.

[21:30] Speaker 2: ... is very much a left winger. So, I mean-

[21:33] Speaker 4: So is his wife. (laughs)

[21:34] Speaker 2: ... you know-

[21:35] Speaker 4: I think the wives-

[21:36] Speaker 2: You know, I-

[21:36] Speaker 4: ... of the two, uh, are very left, which is unfortunate.

[21:40] Speaker 2: One of them is less left than the other, I understand.

[21:45] Speaker 4: Mm. Wow.

[21:45] Speaker 2: But I can't, I can't tell you that for sure, right now.

[21:48] Speaker 4: Wow.

[21:48] Speaker 2: I did read that one of them is left, one of them is-

[21:51] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[21:51] Speaker 2: ... less left. I don't know if that-

[21:53] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[21:53] Speaker 2: ... makes him right, but, uh, I don't-

[21:55] Speaker 4: Yeah. (laughs)

[21:55] Speaker 2: ... I don't know enough English-

[21:55] Speaker 4: That's funny. (laughs)

[21:55] Speaker 2: ... to, to figure out. (laughs)

[21:58] Speaker 4: Um, we do almost have to wrap this up. D- so did you see Melania? Did you love it? I haven't seen it yet.

[22:05] Speaker 2: I haven't seen it yet, but very, lots of my friends have seen it and have loved it.

[22:10] Speaker 4: Great. I can't wait to see it.

[22:10] Speaker 2: And I'm telling you, everybody, I said it here on this show-

[22:14] Speaker 4: Yes. What?

[22:15] Speaker 2: ... this is a new voting block to pay attention to-

[22:19] Speaker 4: I love it.

[22:20] Speaker 2: ... for the right wing.

[22:21] Speaker 4: Can't wait to talk to you again. Dr. Gilda Carle, that's C-A-R-L-E. Where do people find you? Do you have a website?

[22:28] Speaker 2: Oh, yes. Drgilda.com, D-R-G-I-L-D-A, and of course, Real Men Don't Go Woke is all over Amazon, and the book is flying off the shelves.

[22:39] Speaker 4: Oh, I love it. Good luck to you. We'll be right back on the Main Street Radio Network. Welcome back, everyone, to the Alan Nathan All Stars. I'm Karen Kataline, and, uh, it is a pleasure to have you with us and it is a pleasure to sit in this seat. Uh, if you'd like to visit me at my website, it's karenKataline.com. That's all you gotta know. Karen spelled the normal way, and no, I'm not changing my name. Kataline, spelled K-A-T-A-L-I-N-E.com, that's all you have to know. There are, uh, episodes of this program when I do it, and, uh, lots of other things there, old op eds, um, that you can, uh, peruse and see how correct I was. I didn't make a lot of predictions, but I certainly ranted quite a bit. I am w- uh, pleased to welcome our next guest, researcher and co-author with her severely neuro- neurologically injured-... autistic son, Houston, uh, of The Book of Heaven: A Story of Hope for the Outcasts, the Broken, and Those Who've Lost Faith.

[23:58] Speaker 4: Katy Asher joins us right now on the Alan Nathan All Stars. Hi, Katy. Welcome-

[24:05] Speaker 9: Hi.

[24:05] Speaker 4: ... uh, to the program.

[24:07] Speaker 9: Thank you-

[24:08] Speaker 4: Hi.

[24:08] Speaker 9: ... so much for having me.

[24:09] Speaker 4: Hi. Well, the name of this book clearly makes us want to hear, uh, some of the... uh, give us a- a thumbnail sketch of what this book is about. It's clearly very heartfelt about your son, Houston. What's The Book of Heaven?

[24:28] Speaker 9: So, The Book of Heaven is, it's a memoir, and it begins with my own journey, uh, because we are all a collection of our experiences, and that's where we come to the place of faith or doubt, is from those experiences. So, it was definitely began with my experiences, and with that hope that God's word was true, that all things work together for the good of those who love God, who are called according to his purpose. And then, life happened, and that was a destructive force of so much trauma that I... it really rattled that faith. And included in that trauma was, uh, severe vaccine injury of my son, and he regressed so severely, and his- his diagnosis was extreme. It was all the worst of the worst symptoms.

[25:20] Speaker 4: Mm.

[25:21] Speaker 9: The fecal smearing, the eloping, the- the-

[25:24] Speaker 4: Oh.

[25:24] Speaker 9: ... screaming, the nakedness, the, uh, you know, near drownings. It- it was all of that.

[25:29] Speaker 4: Oh, my. When did, uh, he... When was he diagnosed? At almost, uh, birth or did it take a while for this to, uh... for you to be able to see this and have a- a clear idea of what was going on?

[25:46] Speaker 9: The vaccine injury first occurred after the DTP Hib shot at age eight months, and the... we, uh, ended up in the hospital. It was very clear-

[25:58] Speaker 4: The DTP what? Could you repeat-

[25:59] Speaker 9: ... that the doctor-

[26:00] Speaker 4: ... that again? DTP what?

[26:01] Speaker 9: Sure.

[26:02] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[26:02] Speaker 9: Hib. H-I-B. Mm-hmm.

[26:05] Speaker 4: Oh.

[26:05] Speaker 9: That was before they changed it to the, uh, DTap or Tdap, uh, that they have... the products that they have now. This was the original. It was before the, um, acellular pertussis was changed in the formula.

[26:19] Speaker 4: Oh. We're not talking about HIV-

[26:21] Speaker 9: No.

[26:21] Speaker 4: ... of adults, right?

[26:22] Speaker 9: No. H-I-

[26:22] Speaker 4: It's something else. Gotta be-

[26:23] Speaker 9: H-I-

[26:23] Speaker 4: ... something else. Okay. (laughs)

[26:25] Speaker 9: B. Hib. Yes. (laughs)

[26:27] Speaker 4: H-I-B, got it. Okay.

[26:29] Speaker 9: Mm-hmm. Yes.

[26:31] Speaker 4: All right.

[26:31] Speaker 9: Um, and so-

[26:32] Speaker 4: Go ahead.

[26:32] Speaker 9: ... that was... that was where we ended up in the hospital. The hematologist-

[26:37] Speaker 4: Mm.

[26:37] Speaker 9: ... diagnosed him with a vaccine injury, um, and it... so basically, it... his, um... the cytokine storm was so severe, it triggered an autoimmune reaction and encephalopathy that has-

[26:51] Speaker 4: Oh.

[26:51] Speaker 9: ... been chronic, and that inflammation prevented him from... it demyelinated motor and then prevented sensory synapses from pruning and new motor from integrating in with the synapses. That creates-

[27:07] Speaker 4: And-

[27:07] Speaker 9: ... global apraxia.

[27:09] Speaker 4: Oh, wow. A lot-

[27:11] Speaker 9: Mm-hmm.

[27:11] Speaker 4: ... of stuff there. And he seemed... Was- was he developing normally before this? Did he have signs of being-

[27:20] Speaker 9: He was.

[27:20] Speaker 4: ... normal? Oh.

[27:22] Speaker 9: He was-

[27:22] Speaker 4: Oh, heartbreaking.

[27:22] Speaker 9: ... 100% on every single, um, scale. I- it-

[27:27] Speaker 4: Oh.

[27:28] Speaker 9: His pictures are... I have pictures of him before and after, and you can literally look and see-

[27:34] Speaker 4: Oh.

[27:34] Speaker 9: ... the difference.

[27:37] Speaker 4: Oh, what heartbreak. And then, what happened?

[27:42] Speaker 9: For 21 years, uh, we were told that he was... it was hopeless-

[27:49] Speaker 4: Oh.

[27:49] Speaker 9: ... and there was no hope, and it was just trauma after trauma. And obviously, severe autism affects an entire family, and that's what it did, is it destroyed our family.

[28:02] Speaker 4: Oh.

[28:02] Speaker 9: And when he was, um... when he was 17-

[28:07] Speaker 4: Wow.

[28:07] Speaker 9: ... I had this... I- I was very much, um, in a place of despair and doubt at that point-

[28:14] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[28:14] Speaker 9: ... and very hopeless. And, uh, I had this one moment of a miracle, and it was that miracle, that one little moment, that gave me the hope and opened up my- my heart to believing-

[28:35] Speaker 4: Mm.

[28:35] Speaker 9: ... that there was... that this was not the end of the story, that there was something more wonderful, that I- I would somehow see the good, despite the severity of the bad.

[28:51] Speaker 4: Would it be giving away the book to tell us? Because you've got us on the edge-

[28:54] Speaker 9: I-

[28:55] Speaker 4: ... of our seats.

[28:56] Speaker 9: (laughs) All right. I was... I was just waiting for you to ask. Thank you.

[29:00] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[29:00] Speaker 9: So-

[29:00] Speaker 4: Okay.

[29:02] Speaker 9: (laughs) So, uh, what happened was I was in the... I was taking, um... I was working three jobs at the time. Uh, my... their dad had left us, and I was working three jobs. Uh, one of the jobs was at a gym, and they said, "You need to go get certified to teach yoga as part of, you know, your job here," and so I was doing that yoga certification. And in the process of that, they said we needed to give an intention, which, to me, that...

[29:30] Speaker 9: I was like, "This is ridiculous."

[29:32] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[29:32] Speaker 9: No one cares, you know, how hard our life is. They- they're not interested-

[29:36] Speaker 4: Airy fairy? Was it... kind of seemed airy fairy to you to give an intention?

[29:41] Speaker 9: Very much so.

[29:42] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[29:42] Speaker 9: Very-

[29:42] Speaker 4: Okay.

[29:43] Speaker 9: ... much so. (laughs)

[29:43] Speaker 4: All right.

[29:43] Speaker 9: I was like, "This is ridiculous." Um, I was a very, uh... I was a realist, right?

[29:50] Speaker 4: Yes.

[29:50] Speaker 9: And-So, I gave my intention, and without being able to stop myself, the truth came out of my mouth.

[29:58] Speaker 4: Huh.

[29:58] Speaker 9: And I said, "Oh, and I would like bad things to stop happening."

[30:02] Speaker 4: Ugh.

[30:02] Speaker 10: Yeah.

[30:02] Speaker 9: And they actually challenged me on that.

[30:06] Speaker 10: Yeah.

[30:06] Speaker 9: And they said that good had just as much chance of happening as bad. And I quickly retorted, "I know all about belief. You believe what you've experienced. That's what I've experienced. Why would I believe anything else?"

[30:21] Speaker 4: Hmm.

[30:22] Speaker 9: And so, what they said was, "Everything that you see around you, whether it's, uh, a book, or a- a chair, or a pencil, anything, you know, you think that that's the real thing. But re- in reality, all of those things were first a thought before they were ever the material thing that we see." And that had a big impact on me. And so, I really began to think about my thoughts becoming things. And I wanted something good to happen, so I really began to open myself up to... just a little bit to that idea of hope.

[31:04] Speaker 4: Oh.

[31:05] Speaker 9: And that very week, I came home from working one of my jobs, I laid down on the couch, I was so exhausted, and my son came over and sat at my feet.

[31:17] Speaker 4: Uhh. Uhh.

[31:17] Speaker 9: Now, this was strange, okay? So, what you don't know about severe autism is that they are never still. Their bodies cannot be still. He- he's always jumping, or rocking, or flapping his hands-

[31:27] Speaker 4: Uh-huh.

[31:27] Speaker 9: ... or making these booming noises-

[31:29] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[31:29] Speaker 9: ... or fast-forwarding, rewinding videos. I mean, it's just utter chaos.

[31:33] Speaker 4: Uh-huh.

[31:34] Speaker 9: And yet, he sat at my feet, perfectly still, without any noises or hand flapping, and he reached over and tugged at the blanket very intentionally, just like you would to get someone's attention, and he'd never done anything like that. And I opened my eyes and he was looking directly into my eyes, which he also had not done since he was an infant.

[31:58] Speaker 4: Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

[31:59] Speaker 9: And he said, "Momma, I love you."

[32:05] Speaker 4: Oh, wow. Whoa.

[32:07] Speaker 9: And if you've waited... Yeah. (laughs)

[32:09] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[32:09] Speaker 9: If you've waited 17 years to hear your child say your name and then, "I love you," you believe. You believe that there's hope.

[32:19] Speaker 4: Uh-huh.

[32:19] Speaker 9: And it was another five years of me just believing and not really seeing anything else. There wasn't any change after that. It was just that one moment.

[32:31] Speaker 4: Huh.

[32:31] Speaker 9: And then we learned about, um, about spelling. And spelling is a way to basically coach the gross motor in someone who has... who's non-speaking, to coach their gross mil- motor to begin to point reliably to letters to spell out-

[32:51] Speaker 4: Hmm.

[32:52] Speaker 9: ... what they want to say.

[32:54] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[32:55] Speaker 9: And so, I heard about this and I tried it with Houston. I was so determined. And what my son's first words that he spelled to me were in answer to the question, "If you could put any slogan on a T-shirt, what would it be?" And he said, "I'm in here."

[33:15] Speaker 4: Oh, wow. Well, I'm so glad that you've agreed to close the show out with us with one more segment. It's short, so we wanna know. I mean, boy oh boy-

[33:27] Speaker 10: (laughs)

[33:28] Speaker 4: ... do we wanna know. And, um, it's- it's an amazing story. Can't wait to hear more about it with Katy Asher, author of the book, The Story of Hope for the Outcast. We'll be right back on the Alan Nathan All Stars right after this. Don't go away.

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[35:38] Speaker 11: Find more information at aacom.org. That's aacom.org. (musicWelcome back everyone to the Alan Nathan All Stars. I'm Karen Kataline, wrapping up this hour with another segment with Katy Asher, telling a very inspiring but heartbreaking story, uh, about her son, Houston. She's a researcher, co-author with her, with her son, uh, on this book, uh, The Book of Heaven: A Story of Hope for the Outcasts, the Broken, and Those Who Lost Faith. We're gonna try to at least wrap up this story enough to, uh, to not be, not being able to sleep tonight- (laughs)

[36:30] Speaker 4: ... not knowing how part of this ends-

[36:33] Speaker 9: (laughs)

[36:33] Speaker 4: ... so we can get to the book also and how people really need to be, need to read it so they can be inspired by your story. So, what happened? Um, you actually co-wrote this book with your son. I mean, how did that happen? I know there's a lot to this that we probably don't have time for, but cut to the chase if you can.

[36:57] Speaker 9: Yes, all the details-

[36:58] Speaker 4: Oh, my.

[36:58] Speaker 9: ... are for sure in the book. But-

[37:00] Speaker 4: Yes.

[37:01] Speaker 9: ... what, what I began to discover was that neurological injury, um, had not diminished his intelligence in any way. It had just diminished-

[37:12] Speaker 4: Huh.

[37:12] Speaker 9: ... his motor.

[37:13] Speaker 4: Wow.

[37:13] Speaker 9: And so, when he began sharing with me what he was actually experiencing, I found out that he was completely brilliant, um-

[37:21] Speaker 4: Oh.

[37:21] Speaker 9: ... and had in- just absolutely this reservoir of knowledge. And when I asked-

[37:29] Speaker 4: Wow.

[37:29] Speaker 9: ... him how did he know so much, because he hadn't been given an education-

[37:33] Speaker 4: Huh.

[37:34] Speaker 9: ... he explained. He said, "I can hear thoughts."

[37:38] Speaker 4: Oh.

[37:39] Speaker 9: Now, I know everyone right now is like, "What?" (laughs) Right? But-

[37:43] Speaker 4: It sounds like I see dead people.

[37:46] Speaker 9: ... I remember when he was-

[37:47] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[37:48] Speaker 9: (laughs)

[37:48] Speaker 4: Right. Yeah.

[37:48] Speaker 9: Um, so what ... So, remember back when I had first realized, you know, that whole idea that thoughts were things, and I realized that they were, and I tested him, and of course he was 100%. Um, and all of these non-speakers are. They have these abilities. And it's because their motor didn't develop and they stayed more attached to their aetheric being.

[38:11] Speaker 4: Wow.

[38:11] Speaker 9: So, they're still connected to all of that, the aetheric world that's all around us. And that's what it is.

[38:19] Speaker 4: Atheric? What's the word?

[38:19] Speaker 9: Atheric, meaning spirit, atheric.

[38:22] Speaker 4: Atheric, A-T-H-E-R-

[38:25] Speaker 9: Yeah.

[38:25] Speaker 4: Okay. Haven't heard that word. I love-

[38:27] Speaker 9: A-T-H-E-R-I-C. It's like the ether.

[38:30] Speaker 4: Oh.

[38:30] Speaker 9: It's-

[38:31] Speaker 4: I'm s- oh, oh.

[38:31] Speaker 9: Yeah.

[38:31] Speaker 4: In the ether, okay. Got it.

[38:34] Speaker 9: Yes. Mm-hmm.

[38:34] Speaker 4: You know, it almost sounds a little like, um, the scientist, uh, who lost his motor skills from ALS, doesn't it?

[38:46] Speaker 9: Right.

[38:46] Speaker 4: A little bit?

[38:48] Speaker 9: But it ... L- a little bit-

[38:49] Speaker 4: That was his name.

[38:49] Speaker 9: ... in the fact that he did lo-, he did, um, he did lose his, his motor. Um, but what happened wa-

[38:57] Speaker 4: And he was brilliant.

[38:58] Speaker 9: But he ... Yes.

[38:59] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[38:59] Speaker 9: And he is brilliant. Um-

[39:02] Speaker 4: He is.

[39:02] Speaker 9: And there, there is that parallel in that the brain is still there, even though the motor isn't.

[39:07] Speaker 4: Right.

[39:08] Speaker 9: The, the difference is that these non-speakers have retained that connection to the spiritual that's all around us, and that is what is so extraordinary.

[39:18] Speaker 4: Ah.

[39:18] Speaker 9: And, um, Houston began describing what he experiences. I began doing all of the research to understand this on a scientific level, but then he starts describing basically passages right out of the Bible that he had never read.

[39:36] Speaker 4: Mm.

[39:38] Speaker 9: And that is probably the most important part of what-

[39:42] Speaker 4: Mm.

[39:42] Speaker 9: ... we experience, is that what they can see and experience verifies the word of God and routes us back into us being made by Him and His love for us.

[39:59] Speaker 4: Hmm, wow.

[40:00] Speaker 9: And that's really what the point of this story is, is the divine love of God.

[40:05] Speaker 4: Wow. And nothing could be more needed today, for sure.

[40:10] Speaker 9: Exactly.

[40:11] Speaker 4: Uh, well, um, i- share with us, if you would, like one thing that he said that surprised you about his spiritual understanding that you could share with the audience.

[40:24] Speaker 9: Oh. Sure. There was this one day where he, uh, he was so despondent and depressed, and I was like, "What's going on? What's wrong?" And we were at a place where he was very happy, and so I was, I didn't understand what he could possibly have experienced that upset him. And he said, "Sometimes I have very good visions and sometimes, you know, a scary one." And I-

[40:47] Speaker 4: Oh.

[40:48] Speaker 9: ... asked, "Well, what was, what was frightening?" And he s- he described in Matthew 7 the two roads, the narrow road and the wide road.

[40:56] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[40:57] Speaker 9: And, uh, another time, he, he had actually seen my car accident, which I don't even know how I survived, but he had seen it before it had happened. And so then, I was asking him to explain h- like, "What have you seen? What have you experienced?" And he described, um-

[41:18] Speaker 4: Wow.

[41:18] Speaker 9: He started describing heaven, and he said, "Well, of course, Jesus is always healing people." And I was like, "What do you mean? W- how ... What's that? What do you mean?" And he said, "Well, really..." And he's, first he said, "Explaining heaven to you takes great elasticity," which I thought was hilarious. And then he, uh-

[41:35] Speaker 4: Now, he spells all this out, right? He can't talk?

[41:38] Speaker 9: He spells all of this out one letter at a time. It's-

[41:42] Speaker 4: Wow.

[41:42] Speaker 9: And it's physically exhausting for him. And he-

[41:45] Speaker 4: Oh. Does, he doesn't type, right?

[41:47] Speaker 9: ... he literally tries, we-

[41:48] Speaker 4: Does he type?

[41:49] Speaker 9: We're working on typing, but typing is very difficult. It's, um-

[41:53] Speaker 4: Wow.

[41:53] Speaker 9: The, the letter boards we use are big. So-

[41:56] Speaker 4: Mm.

[41:56] Speaker 9: ... whenever you have a motor disability, you need a bigger target, whereas typing is a much smaller target.

[42:01] Speaker 4: I see. I see.

[42:02] Speaker 9: And so, it-

[42:03] Speaker 4: Wow.

[42:03] Speaker 9: ... it requires more mo- motor control.

[42:06] Speaker 4: Huh.

[42:06] Speaker 9: Um-But when he was describing, um, h- ... When he said the whole thing about, uh, it takes great elasticity, he said, "Well, really-"

[42:16] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[42:16] Speaker 9: ... "it's like he replenishes them to deal with their repentance." And I ... Uh, meanwhile, my little box that I've got God in, right, is being blown up and (laughs) so then-

[42:28] Speaker 4: Mm.

[42:28] Speaker 9: For everything he said, I would find a scripture to verify and it says, like, in 1 Peter 4:16, "For this reason, the Gospel is preached even to those who have died, that although they may not live in the body, they will live in the spirit as God does."

[42:43] Speaker 4: Mm.

[42:44] Speaker 9: And it was ... And then it was talking about the angels of children see the face of God first. That's in the Bible. And he ... And just over and over and over again, he described the throne of God, he described the, um, the robe of Christ, uh, he described-

[42:59] Speaker 4: I'm so sorry that I have to interrupt you.

[43:02] Speaker 9: (laughs)

[43:02] Speaker 4: We have almost-

[43:04] Speaker 9: Yes.

[43:04] Speaker 4: ... like, such a short amount of time.

[43:06] Speaker 9: No time. Yeah. (laughs)

[43:06] Speaker 4: And I'm sure that you've whetted our audience's appetite. Tell everybody where they can find this book, because they're gonna want to read it.

[43:15] Speaker 9: Yes, ma'am.

[43:15] Speaker 4: Go ... (laughs) Go ahead.

[43:16] Speaker 9: All right.

[43:17] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[43:18] Speaker 9: (laughs)

[43:18] Speaker 4: Wow.

[43:18] Speaker 9: Amazon is your fastest way to get the book.

[43:21] Speaker 4: Okay.

[43:21] Speaker 9: And if you don't use Amazon, you can email me at asher.house.hope@gmail.com and request a copy.

[43:30] Speaker 4: Wow. What a journey you've been on. That's just-

[43:33] Speaker 9: Yes, ma'am.

[43:34] Speaker 4: ... wonderful. So her name is Katy Asher. And you ... Thank you so much for spending two segments with us. We so appreciate it. Best of luck with that book. And, and warmest regards to your son, Houston. We appreciate you so much.

[43:51] Speaker 9: Thank you.

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