[00:02] Speaker 1: Welcome, everyone. It is Sunday, May 3rd, and I don't know if I'm online. I think my internet just went out. Can you hear me?

[00:14] Speaker 2: Yes.

[00:14] Speaker 1: Anyone? Okay. Sunday, May 3rd, 2026. This is the (bell rings) uh, BBS podcast of the Skin Parasites Wars, Skin Wars, and, um, I am Robin, the co-host, to welcome you. If you are listening and you have struggled with weird skin symptoms, and, um, lesions and bites and itching and have exhausted every avenue you could think of, then, um, you've come to the right place. We are after tried and true solutions, and, and we welcome people who are struggling because we wanna help everyone. So, we are ... It's based on Richard Kuhn's book, which has 13 editions, and the diet that he found over two years of tried and, try, try and fail and discover the foods that seem to work to quiet these skin parasites, and, um, he is here with us every week. He answers questions. He has guest speakers. He does research. He's a world-leading expert on Lyme, Morgellons, and other skin parasites.

[01:40] Speaker 1: (bell rings) And so, at this time, I wanna welcome Richard Kuhns, author of How to Get Your Life Back From Morgellons and Lyme and Other Skin Parasites, and host of the Skin Wars BBS podcast.

[01:57] Speaker 2: Thank you, Robin. Good afternoon, everyone. Let's get off to the start of our, uh, federal regulations by which we abide.

[02:08] Speaker 1: Richard, you should make your sound lower. It's, it's, it's muffly 'cause it's too loud.

[02:14] Speaker 2: My sound is too loud now? Oh, we always have problems with this stuff.

[02:20] Speaker 1: I know. I wish you lived closer. I'd set it up once and for all for you.

[02:24] Speaker 2: I did set it up. All right. Where the hell ...

[02:28] Speaker 1: I think you're burning to some-

[02:29] Speaker 2: Oh, all the way to the top. How, how is that?

[02:33] Speaker 1: I don't know. Make sure you set it-

[02:35] Speaker 2: I, I'm testing one, two, three, four. Testing. Is that good?

[02:39] Speaker 1: No. You gotta turn it way down.

[02:41] Speaker 2: Okay, how about that? Testing one, two, three, four. Is that good?

[02:45] Speaker 1: A little bit, but not enough. No-

[02:47] Speaker 2: And then ta- testing one, two, three, four.

[02:50] Speaker 1: Now lean back instead of leaning forward. And that-

[02:54] Speaker 2: Use this? We ... Uh, yeah, this is ... I, I'm ... My apologies. We did this before the program started and everything seemed fine.

[03:02] Speaker 1: If you lean back a little-

[03:04] Speaker 2: So, am I good now, Robin?

[03:05] Speaker 1: Back. Lean back, Richard.

[03:07] Speaker 2: All right. I can barely hear you, but I guess ... (laughs) Anyway, so the federal regulations are that, um, the FDA requires me to inform you that before you start my diet or accept any of my recommendations, that you thoroughly discuss them with your medical doctor to make sure they do not interfere with any health problems you're presently experiencing. The LMA requires me to inform you that none of us are licensed medical doctors and we haven't passed a rigorous testing. Therefore, we do not diagnose, treat, cure, mitigate, or prevent disease. What we're allowed to do by law is to educate you, and then we can educate you on how to make the diet work.

[03:50] Speaker 3: Hello. Richard?

[03:53] Speaker 2: Yes.

[03:53] Speaker 3: We, uh, we cannot understand anything. It's not coming in clear at all.

[04:00] Speaker 2: Not coming in clear at all. And you're, you're getting me, Rob?

[04:04] Speaker 3: No, we cannot ... It's all mumble.

[04:05] Speaker 1: It's very muffly, Richard. It's very muffly, but you're leaning forward. I, I asked ... I, I think if you lean back and lower the sound, it might be okay.

[04:14] Speaker 2: Oh, I did, I did lower the sound.

[04:17] Speaker 1: It's not lowered enough. It's still not lowered enough.

[04:21] Speaker 2: Oh, I'm down to 30%. Son of a gun.

[04:24] Speaker 1: Well, then-

[04:24] Speaker 2: Uh, what do we do?

[04:25] Speaker 1: ... you gotta, you gotta have something else that's getting sound. You're getting sound from two places, and it's really loud and muffly.

[04:33] Speaker 2: All right. Now that I'm down to 28%, can you hear me? Is that reasonable?

[04:39] Speaker 1: It's better, but it's not great.

[04:42] Speaker 2: It's not great. All right. You know, why don't you go now-

[04:46] Speaker 1: Well-

[04:46] Speaker 2: ... and do the, uh, FDA re- Uh, well, we just did the FDA and so forth. Uh, people wanna know whether they have Morgellons or not. So why don't you go through that, and I'm gonna set up the telephone, I mean, the phone, and, and do it through the phone, and forget this.

[05:04] Speaker 1: All right.

[05:04] Speaker 2: So tell 'em how, how we ... If they have Morgellons.

[05:09] Speaker 1: So, uh, many people ... You know, there's not a lot of places you can go to, to, uh, find out if, if ... What it is that's, that's driving you crazy because not any ... Very few, if any, medical doctors understand Morgellons or their symptoms. They will (bell rings) diagnose you with, uh, pa- ... What is it? Uh, parasite ... I can't remember. Psychotic parasitosis or something like that. And they don't know how to treat it. There are a few maybe functional doctors or doctors who have done some research that understand about it, and they have some treatments, but they're not super effective. So, um, here's an easy way to find ... Morgellons, (bell rings) according to Dr. Saverly and her book-... um, Morgellons, the, what is it called? The legitimization of a disease. She says that one of the main symptoms of Morgellons is that, well, there's the lesions and the bites, but it's fibers.

[06:17] Speaker 1: Um, because they build these things like little houses, uh, the fibers for the teeny tiny Morgellons to live in. That's my opinion. But, um, and some of the fibers are so small that you don't see them, so a lot of people are like, "I don't have fibers." Um, but I'll tell you how you can tell if you do. (bell dings) So, you take a shower or a bath and you, you know, you soak with Nature's Gift abrading soap, um, apple cider vinegar, Epsom salts, um, and, and maybe a few essential oils like peppermint oil or lavender oil, and then you take a shower to rinse off, and then you put some either one of, like, I love Richard's soaps. He has these soaps that have Nature's Gift in them, and that stuff is amazing.

[07:17] Speaker 1: So, y- y- you use some form of Na-

[07:19] Speaker 4: Some form of Nature's Gift-

[07:20] Speaker 1: ... abrading soap and you rub it all over your body, leave it on, and let it dry, and then take a lint roller and roll your skin, and if you have Morgellons, nine times out of ten, you're going to see teeny tiny hairlike threads that come out of your skin. That's a sure sign that you have Morgellons. Um, so the problem with Morgellons, the big problem is that they're carried by fleas and ticks and, and also, um, I don't know if they're carried by springtails, but springtails and mites, mites I know can carry Morgellons, and even bed bugs. They can be vectors for Morgellons. So you have cofactors that you have to deal with, and that makes your environment and your stuff and your car and everything much more challenging. Morgellons will infest everything, but when you have, like I did, I had springtails, mites, bed bugs, fleas and Morgellons in my house from people that brought it here. And, uh ...

[08:36] Speaker 5: What, what about, uh, what about itching and biting? Can you hear me now, Robin?

[08:40] Speaker 1: Yes. You sound much better.

[08:42] Speaker 5: Okay, I'm on the ... Yeah. All right. So, what about itching and biting? Is that Morgellons, or could that be something else as well?

[08:50] Speaker 1: Well, like, it could be Morgellons, um, and it could also be, you know, mites, it could be springtails, it could be, it could be fleas. But I know when I first had, went to get diagnosed with Morgellons, I, um, well, I took all these samples to a local, uh, lab that did, you know, testing for different insects and they said all they found was threads. (laughs) So-

[09:18] Speaker 5: Threads.

[09:18] Speaker 1: ... they're j- ze- yeah, and then I went to a dermatologist. I had a giant lesion, like big, across my stomach and i- and, uh, it was like an open sore, and, and he said, "You have to stop scratching yourself." And I, I just looked at him and I said, "I did not create that lesion." (laughs) (bell dings) And he just said, "Whatever." You know? They don't believe you when you say-

[09:47] Speaker 5: No they don't, do they?

[09:49] Speaker 1: No. It's, uh, so, uh, he wanted to put me on Pimozide, um, which probably would have helped, you know? But I refused to, to take, I mean, all I knew was it was an antipsychotic and I wasn't crazy, so.

[10:07] Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, uh, years ago, um, I'm- maybe 10 or 15 years ago, a lady wrote in (bell dings) and she was a wife of a doctor, and, uh, she was, uh, really in awe of my book at that point, way, way back then. That was probably the, maybe the fourth or fifth version out of the 13 we have now. (laughs) And, uh, she was writing me and saying, "Oh, you know, I went to this doctor and he recommended Primozide, and, and how terrible." And I wrote back and I said, "Uh, well, that was really one of the best things he could have done." You know, because I, you know, back then, I had no idea what ORAP did. All I know is that it allowed me to go from stage one to stage two of the diet, and without that, I would still be stuck on stage one, I'm sure, after all these years, that's, that's over 20 years, you know?

[11:06] Speaker 1: Right.

[11:06] Speaker 5: Uh, because it, it, uh, reduces, you know, since then, we've learned that it reduces the dopamine uptake in the brain. Of course, we didn't know, uh, about that until about five or six years ago. But the end result was this lady, she wrote a scathing, uh, review on Amazon, gave me like a one out of four because I recommended an antipsychotic, you know? (laughs) Uh, and, and she thought that, that totally negated the value of the book and she, you know, was up in arms about it. So, uh, it, but, the, the weird thing is, the psychiatrists are onto something. They don't know why. They think it's a, kind of like a mental problem, and so they prescribe ORAP, Primozide. But by the same token, Wellbutrin, Abilify, uh, Seroquel, and some, about, uh, several other medications do the same thing and are similar. They, they reduce dopamine uptake in the brain, so it's got nothing to do with a mental problem.It's not a psychiatric issue.

[12:18] Speaker 5: (clears throat) It's a matter of reducing dopamine uptake in the brain, which we have now discovered. And we ... Instead of sending people off to a medical doctor, and I used to have one that I worked with up until about five years ago, uh, that, uh, he would, uh, work with people on the phone and he would write a prescription and they could go have it filled for Orap, or, uh, uh, Wellbutrin, or some ... or Abilify. Uh, but since we know about the Herbal Parasite Stop Formula, uh, fortunately, you know, Robin said each of you, maybe not in this introduction, but often she says, "Each of you are my research team." And it is true. I pay attention to what you send me. And, uh, sometimes people send me research studies and I look at the date, and if the date is like 2006, "Oh, okay, we're talking about history." Huh, you know, I'll read through it, "Oh, we already got that," you know.

[13:27] Speaker 5: But if a date is like 2019, 2020 or something, I'll pay attention to it, 'cause that could be significant. And, uh, one lady, uh, I only remember her name, her name is Olga, and she said, "Well, why not herbs? Don't ... Aren't there herbs that reduce the s- the dopamine uptake in the brain?" And sure enough, along comes our Herbal Parasite Stop Formula, which, uh, does exactly that, reduces, uh, dopamine uptake in the brain, and it's, it's incredible. It helps people make the diet work. Remember, what it did for me, the Orap, was it allowed me to go from stage one to stage two. It might allow you to make the diet work, to make even stage one work, because, uh, you know, just a few minutes ago, I got an email from someone, I hope, uh, she joined the program, asking me, "How long does it take to make the biting stop, and the itching stop? How long?" Well, the amazing thing is, is that when you make this diet work, for me, it was within hours.

[14:41] Speaker 5: I realized and tested, is there a connection between what I eat and these symptoms? It's cause and effect. And I ate nothing ... I just, I don't know, I could have picked out a n- a number of different foods that are on stage one, but for s- ... Maybe it was breakfast time when I decided to try this.

[15:01] Speaker 6: Yeah. (laughs)

[15:01] Speaker 5: I said, "Okay, we're just gonna have eggs. We're just gonna have eggs. No oil, just eggs in the Teflon." You know, back then we didn't know about the, uh, uh, what is it? The PPF or whatever, or the toxicity of the Teflon, but nevertheless, uh, eggs, just on Teflon, and my goodness, that was amazing. Uh, after I ate it, I noticed no activity whatsoever. No activity. And that spurred me on to realize there may be a connection between what I ate and the symptoms. And which is why I then invested the next two years determining which foods work and which foods don't work to produce stage one of the diet. And then, when I, uh, was on stage one of the diet, I went to a dermatologist, hoping to, "Okay, maybe ..." Uh, the interesting thing is, is the dermatologist had his office next door to my business. At that time, I was manufacturing gutter guards, and, uh, doing stress management on the side, kind of shifting away from stress management, and he was next door.

[16:20] Speaker 5: It, it took me a year, I guess. I, I went to, uh, probably six other doctors in the vicinity before I just, you know, he always reminded me of a grumpy old guy, so I just, you know, (laughs) I ... But eventually I decided to go to him, and he shared with me, uh, that, uh, there was a, um, county fair where there was a 4-H tent infested with mites, and l- lot of people w- came out, infes- infested with mites, and by treating them with Orap, that was the treatment of choice. Now, he didn't talk about the reducing dopamine uptake, he didn't talk about it being a mental issue or a, a s- a psychotic drug. Uh, I had no idea what the heck the, the Orap was. Uh, I didn't know it was used for Tourette's or anything, you know. That came later, Tourette syndrome. So, I started using it, and, uh, goodness sake, uh, within, uh, a couple of weeks or so, I was able to go to stage two.

[17:25] Speaker 5: Now, we talked, uh, last week, somebody was on asking about the par- Herbal Parasite Stop Formula, she was taking it on and off, and asked me how often to take it. Well, you know, I took Orap continuously for, I guess, a couple of years, and, and then, uh, the doctor switched me to Zyprexa, and I'm not sor- sure if Zyprexa was really that effective or not, but nevertheless, um, that's the route I went. And then, um, well, anyway, back to the, you ... If you make the diet work, the itching, the biting can go away within hours. It can be that fast. But they're easy to make mistakes. Uh, for instance, stevia is on the diet, and y- you can go into any health food store and you pick up a bottle of stevia thinking, "It's a health food store, therefore it's healthy, and is only stevia," and neglect to read the ingredients.And then after days and weeks, you just can't make the diet work and you're doing everything, you know, you're using Stevia.

[18:38] Speaker 5: And then you get, uh, disgruntled and you finally, "Well, what am I gonna do? I can either give up or I can work with a coach." And you call up one of our fantastic coaches or you come on the program here and share the difficulty you're having, and in t- in 10 seconds, we identify the fact that your Stevia's got sugar in it. And that sugar, that little bit of sugar is gonna keep the diet from working. It's that strict. All right, so, uh, we went through all the symptoms, uh, how about things coming out of your skin? Is that, uh, Morgellons or is that, uh, Columbola? What, what is that? Uh, you know, different, various things coming out of your skin.

[19:20] Speaker 1: I think many things can cause things coming out of your skin, but Morgellons cau- (bell dings) causes fibers to seem to come out of your skin.

[19:30] Speaker 5: True.

[19:30] Speaker 1: Um...

[19:30] Speaker 5: But weird things like barbs, plastic barbs, like, uh, uh, 16-legged, uh, spiders, uh, uh, like, uh, gooey things coming out of your skin.

[19:43] Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. It's crazy. Well, I, I think it can be Morgellons, but sometimes it's mites, sometimes it's springtails. Morgellons can cause all kinds of stuff to come out of your skin, I believe.

[19:56] Speaker 5: Yeah, I, I would say those weird things are, uh, it's a DNA modification. For instance, if you're bitten by a spider, uh, and, uh, th- it's, uh, that spider is infected with, uh, Morgellons. Uh, Robin mentioned earlier that, uh, Morgellons can, uh, be carried by many different things, Columbola, mites, and, uh, bed bugs and mosquitoes and whatever that may bite you. Uh, you can also pick it up just in the environment. Like, I was at the county courthouse a few weeks ago, and while I was filling out some papers, I noticed on my hand, uh, a red blotch beginning and the itchiness there. And you can just pick it up from the environment, uh, just being someplace. There is no mite involved, no bite or anything like that. Uh, so it c- it can come, usually those kind of organisms are definitely associated with Morgellons, uh, modification of the D- DNA, and that's what Morgellons does.

[20:56] Speaker 5: It modifies your DNA and any organism that may bite you and be breeding under your skin, it's gonna modify th- that. Now, other organisms can come out of the skin like midges and mites, and then you may not have Morgellons at all. You just may have myiasis, uh, from being bitten by a midge or, or some kind of mite, uh, that is, uh, uh, living under your skin. So, Columbola, usually 90 for, m- about 90% of those with Morgellons are dealing with Columbola. Which one is the carrier? Well, I guess the c- the, uh, carrier would be, uh, the Columbola, uh, because, uh, Morgellons itself is not associated with any organism that is independently moving. Uh, Columbola is an organism that, uh, is rod-shaped in form. It can be mi- you can see it under a microscope. Uh, well, it's about 300 microns in size, the size of a dust particle. So those with good vision can actually see them.

[21:59] Speaker 5: Uh, if you suspect them, you can get glue boards, uh, g- a white glue board from a pest control company and you can set it out, um, where they might be and usually they're gonna be around, like, maybe toilet fixtures, the toil- uh, you know, around that area. Could be around the sink, uh, where the co- wherever there's moisture is, is commonly where you can find them. Uh, but if you have a heavily, uh, infested area of Columbola, it could be right next to your couch or right in front of your couch or your dining room table, in your automobile. Um, and when they spring, they jump, and that's why they're called springtails because their body is rod-shaped but it's like a spring in that it, it bends and launches them. That's why they're called springtails. They'll land on the glue boards and they're very visible at that point when you can see them on the glue board. Otherwise, they're pretty difficult to see. So, Columbola would be a carrier of Morgellons.

[22:57] Speaker 5: Now, for me, I got, I was originally infesta- infested with Columbola, not Morgellons, so I'm one of the few people that actually experienced Columbola by itself. And it wasn't until like 20 some years later that I, uh, became, uh, uh, in contact with Morgellons and, and had the experience of, of dealing with Morgellons. So that's particularly valuable for me because a large part of people's search once they realize they got the itching and the biting and the doctors can't help them, uh, they, they start out like I did, you know, mites. I did all kinds of research on it, looked at, uh, there's a scaly face mite, uh, I spoke with an expert in Australia to see if I might be having it and so forth. (bell dings) So you're trying to figure out, "What the heck do I have?" And it can drive you batty. And if you complete my questionnaire, and there is a questionnaire, it has very specific questions. They're yes or no answers. Uh, long explanations are, are unnecessary.

[24:05] Speaker 5: It basically a yes or no answer. Do you feel, uh, activity around your lower legs and ankles like you're being bitten by fleas? You know, if you've ever had an experience with fleas, and I did about, back in the 1970s and around my, uh, home here, uh, you see they're black. They jump up on your ankles and legs and y- you see them, they're black. Uh, Columbola is very much the same, but you can't see themThey're invisible. So that means, that's Columella, for instance. So, that's a yes or no answer. So, by going through the questionnaire, and it's just yes or no and sometimes you can explain something, like it'll say, "How is your digestion?" Because we find that digestive issues are very important to deal with. Uh, and there are many cofactors also that, uh ... So we looked at, uh, whether there, there may be cofactors of mites, Strongyloides auriculatis. Uh, Lyme disease sometimes, uh, is an issue.

[25:02] Speaker 5: Uh, the Charles Homam Association, if you're familiar with that, uh, group, uh, they're very much invested in believing that, uh, Lyme disease is highly, uh, connected with Morgellons. Uh, there, for a period of time, I was influenced by their findings and research and, yeah, I had that i- initially in the introduction of my book, it was heavily, uh, connected to, uh, uh, unraveling the connection between Morgellons and Lyme disease, but since then, we unraveled the connection between Morgellons and Lyme disease, and Morgellons and, uh, Strongyloides auriculatis, Morgellons and, um, Rose, Gardner's disease, Morgellons in fungus. Now, is Morgellons an organism that is like Columella or a mite that can move itself with legs? No.

[25:59] Speaker 5: Uh, (clears throat) my belief, and this is from the, uh, videos that, uh, uh, what is his name, Harold Katz has produced, uh, strongly believe it's a form of a fungus, and you're not gonna see an organism that crawls or jumps or anything like that, uh, but you can be infected by, um, exactly how? Is there, are there spores involved with Morgellons? I don't know. That, that would require some research. But from our point of view, do we care about the research that says what Morgellons is or where it might come from? Do we care, Robin?

[26:41] Speaker 7: Not really. (laughs)

[26:44] Speaker 5: (laughs) No. No. It could be connected to autoimmune diseases for some people. It can be connected to gastrointestinal problems with others, and, uh, you know, generally everybody that gets it has some kinda cofactor, and it's, it's helpful to eliminate those cofactors. I didn't even mention worms. Uh, basically all of us got worms (laughs) , you know, whether they're flatworms, roundworms, pinworms, tapeworms, they're some kinda worm. Some of 'em are limited to our gut. Others with, uh, gut, uh, issues, they get loose and they get into the joints and into our skin, uh, and they don't even have to migrate from the gut, uh, through a leaky gut into your body.

[27:27] Speaker 5: You can turn a, (bell dinging) you can go into a bathroom, a, a, a public bathroom, and turn a d- handle and if a person beho- fore you, uh, flushed that toilet and hadn't washed their hands and was infected, uh, you're gonna pick it up just by touching an infected, uh, surface o- of a, a bathroom doorknob or anything that you might find in the bathroom. So, those are all cofactors, and again, the cofactors, what they do is take away valuable ... Those cofactors can be with you for years, and they're dormant. Like, Lyme disease can be with you for years and be dormant. These parasite, parasitic worms can be with you for years and dormant and along comes Morgellons, and all of a sudden, they're not so dormant anymore. They become a factor. And what they then do is use up critical resources that your body could be using to fight Morgellons.

[28:29] Speaker 5: So that's why when we look at Morgellons, we look at it in a broad picture and the protocols that I developed in terms of, uh, uh, supplements, we go after fungus. We go after, uh, bacteria, viruses. We go after all of that. Uh, one guy wrote in to me and says, "Hey, Richard, you don't know what you're talking about, Mor- what Morgellons is." He says, "I went to a doctor and he, and he did some skin tests with me and he found that I have pseudomonas," which is a common bacteria, uh, practically on everybody's skin. But under certain circumstances, if your immune system is compromised, for instance, it could grow outta control and it can ultimately kill you. It could, it could be serious. But for most of us, it's not. "Uh, the doctor treated me for that and Morgellons went away." Uh, what did I say? (laughs) That's a cofactor.

[29:27] Speaker 5: And it was taking up valuable resources that your body could otherwise use to defeat Morgellons, and once you beat, beat the pseudomonas, eh, Morgellons was a, uh, walk in the park. And that's what I say. Morgellons is a walk in the park once you beat the cofactors. And that's what, uh, we look into. But the good news is, to make the diet work, you don't have to beat the cofactors. You don't have to beat the cofactors. All we gotta do is make the diet work and those symptoms go away pretty quick, pretty fast. Let's go to Q&A. Uh, you have anything to add before we move on to Q&A?

[30:10] Speaker 7: No. I, I, I-

[30:11] Speaker 5: I think I talk too much.

[30:13] Speaker 7: No. You were good.

[30:14] Speaker 5: All right.

[30:14] Speaker 7: It was good.

[30:15] Speaker 5: All right. Well, this is the book, How to Get Your Life Back From Morgellons, Chronic Lyme, and Other Skin Parasites. Of course, the title here doesn't say Chronic Lyme because chronic Lyme came later in my life, after I had already, uh, produced this book and gotten many ... So if I add chronic Lyme to this title, it's like starting all over again, and I'll lose 264 and five-star reviews. So, we do deal with chronic Lyme as well. Now, uh, who has a question? Q&A. Anybody?Star-six. I don't think anybody left their, uh, numbers beforehand.

[30:56] Speaker 7: Oh.

[30:56] Speaker 5: Star-six. Hello? We always get lots of questions.

[31:06] Speaker 7: It's awfully quiet-

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[31:08] Speaker 5: Hello?

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[31:10] Speaker 5: Hello?

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[31:14] Speaker 5: I can hear you. Thanks for, uh-

[31:16] Speaker 8: Good.

[31:16] Speaker 5: ... calling, and thanks for joining us today.

[31:19] Speaker 8: Yeah, thank you. I'm sort of new. Been on the, with you guys just for a short time. And I've been reading a lot, and I read on, on your website. But I, you know, this is actually a question I have. I was reading about, um, Dr. Luna and, uh, ighton pin, I can't even say her medication. You kinda mentioned *******.

[31:41] Speaker 7: Nitenpyram.

[31:41] Speaker 8: Niton something.

[31:43] Speaker 7: Nitenpyram. Pyram.

[31:44] Speaker 8: Yeah.

[31:45] Speaker 5: Nitenpyram?

[31:46] Speaker 8: And that, but it says that it's just, is it just for animals? Because that's what I kinda got out of the article.

[31:53] Speaker 7: Yeah. That's-

[31:53] Speaker 5: Well, you know, you know, these medications are for animals basically, but what are we? We're animals.

[32:01] Speaker 8: Yeah. Yeah.

[32:02] Speaker 5: And the veterinarians are far ahead of our doctors in dealing with worms. I mean, when was the last time you went to a doctor and he said, "Well, you know, we should take a stool sample-

[32:15] Speaker 8: Yeah.

[32:15] Speaker 5: ... uh, and check and see, uh, if you've got worms"? Never, ever, ever. In all my 79 years, I've never, ever had a doctor say that to me. But if you take your, your, if, if you take your poodle or, or your, uh, a half-breed to the doctor, the first thing he's gonna say is, "You know, we should do a stool sample."

[32:37] Speaker 8: Yeah. I've had that done.

[32:37] Speaker 5: And they treat it. Yeah. Now, when you're dealing with worms, and, uh, it, that's, I, I would guess that that is probably 60% of, of veterinarians' practice, is dealing with worms. And we got them, but they don't, the, the doctors don't deal with us. Uh, and when you, and when you read up on how to deal with worms, there are two really fantastic herbs, Wormwood and black walnut hull. The only problem is, 90% of us who are dealing with Morgellons are also dealing with Collembola. Now, what is Collembola? Springtails. They are billions and billions, trillions of them in the environment. Their job is to decompose all those leaves that fall (laughs) , that, you know, if there weren't Collembola there, there would be mountains of nothing but leaves and, and smelly goo, you know? So, that's what their job is. And guess what? They decompose Wormwood and they decompose black walnut hull. So, they are the food for those parasites.

[33:51] Speaker 5: And that's why when you're reading things and you're in Facebook and they're, and, and if you're into one of these groups about worms, uh, they will be touting Wormwood and you would assume, oh, that's what I should be taking. I got a parasite. Well, there's a difference between worms parasite and the skin parasite, Collembola, and that is you do not want to use black walnut hull or Wormwood, uh, with, uh, Collembola, uh, springtails. You will only make them stronger. You'll feed them.

[34:25] Speaker 8: How do I know? How can I... 'Cause I don't even know what I have. I, I really don't know. But I'm the one with a G-tube, so it's even hard for me to do your diet because I don't, don't know how to do nutrition. It's just very challenging for me. So-

[34:39] Speaker 5: Uh, wha- why, why is it challenging for you?

[34:42] Speaker 8: Because I cannot do a diet. I don't eat. I, I can only do a G-tube with the nutrition that I do, like milk. I cannot eat more.

[34:51] Speaker 5: Oh.

[34:51] Speaker 8: I don't eat, you know, it's just nutrition. I don't *******-

[34:53] Speaker 5: You have-

[34:54] Speaker 8: ... to.

[34:54] Speaker 5: You have, uh, extreme, uh, uh, digestive issues?

[34:59] Speaker 8: I, I cannot eat. I, I have those filaments, like you're talking about in the, my mouth and I can't eat. I feel like I'm choking if I eat, you know? That's why I have a G-tube, but I'm on low weight and doing the diet, I just wouldn't be able to do, you know, so it's challenging. Um-

[35:16] Speaker 5: Well-

[35:16] Speaker 8: ***.

[35:17] Speaker 5: ... what, what do you, you, you eat a solution, right? They, they make a solution. Who makes it for you? Do you control it or somebody else control your diet?

[35:25] Speaker 8: I, I don't eat. It, it's, it's nutrition. It's like a milk that goes through my G-tube. That's all I have, you know, and the medications go there. Anything that I take, like, uh, herbs or anything, it's just like a, just getting, you know, the water from it and then putting it in the G-tube. That's the only thing I can do, you know, 'cause my stomach-

[35:44] Speaker 5: Well listen, this is way, this is way out of my expertise, but, uh-

[35:48] Speaker 8: Yeah.

[35:48] Speaker 5: ... uh, th- that solution is made by somebody, and somebody determines the components of the food or the-

[35:54] Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.

[35:54] Speaker 5: ... nutrition that goes into it, right?

[35:56] Speaker 8: Yes.

[35:56] Speaker 5: Do you have control of that or is that, uh, done by your, uh, doctors or, or people who are attending to you?

[36:03] Speaker 8: Yeah. That's the doctor, the GI doctor. He prescribes the nutrition that I take. So I don't control that, you know, 'cause there's no, nothing else I can do really.

[36:12] Speaker 5: Well, do you have any say as to w- do, do you have any say as what, as to what they feed you? I mean, you can give them the diet and they can choose the foods from that to, uh, uh, liquify to feed you.

[36:26] Speaker 8: Like I mentioned to you, it's only nutrition. It's only like a milk that is already pre-done. I cannot *******.

[36:32] Speaker 5: Well, I get that. I understand that, but the person who makes that milk or that solution-

[36:39] Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.

[36:39] Speaker 5: ... uh, that's the person you want to communicate with and cross your fingers and hope that they can utilize the diet to s- to change what you're eating. Uh, I mean, you can-

[36:50] Speaker 8: But still-

[36:50] Speaker 5: ... you can try the Parasite Stop herbal formula and see if that helps make better, but unfortunately, that's way beyond my expertise. I, I-

[36:59] Speaker 8: Yeah.

[36:59] Speaker 5: ... wouldn't know how-... to-

[37:00] Speaker 8: Yeah.

[37:01] Speaker 5: ... to, what to suggest?

[37:03] Speaker 8: Yeah. The nutrition comes from the insurance, and the insurance doesn't really control anything. They only have certain p- brands that they deal with.

[37:11] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

[37:11] Speaker 8: So they don't really mix anything or do anything. They just provide the nutrition. And the doctor-

[37:16] Speaker 5: Are you in a hos- are you in a hospital? Are you in a-

[37:19] Speaker 8: No. I'm, I'm, I'm at home, but I can do, I can do, like, uh, teas and things like that, and put it in the G-tube. That's what I've been doing, you know, but it's just awful because it's just so bad. My head is-

[37:30] Speaker 5: Well-

[37:31] Speaker 8: ... like this.

[37:31] Speaker 5: ... if you're, if you're at home, can you use a blender and make up your own solution to c- to eat?

[37:38] Speaker 8: No, because my G-tube is not for food. (laughs) It's only for, like, water, medicine and the nutrition that goes in there, you know. It's, I can't really put food in there. N- n- not even if it's blended. It doesn't go ... It'll clog my G-tube. See what I'm saying?

[37:53] Speaker 5: Oh.

[37:53] Speaker 8: I can't do diet stuff. Yeah. And so-

[37:55] Speaker 5: Oh. So the, so you, they don't feed you any food, then. They feed you, uh, I don't know-

[38:01] Speaker 8: Yeah, just milk, nutrition, you know.

[38:04] Speaker 5: A milk?

[38:05] Speaker 8: Yeah.

[38:05] Speaker 5: Huh.

[38:06] Speaker 8: Yeah.

[38:06] Speaker 5: Oh.

[38:06] Speaker 8: That's all they give us.

[38:07] Speaker 5: Well, you-

[38:07] Speaker 8: But I can do, like, teas and things like that, that are clear, and that's what I've been doing, you know. I-

[38:13] Speaker 5: Okay.

[38:13] Speaker 8: ... herbs that, you know, I can just maybe do a, you know, just, you know, get the water from it, like a tea. You see what I'm saying?

[38:20] Speaker 5: Well, can you get the composition of, of what it is that they make this milk from? Can you get the composition? Will, will they share that with you?

[38:28] Speaker 8: No, it's already pre-made. It's already sent-

[38:30] Speaker 5: I mean-

[38:31] Speaker 8: ... my diagnosis.

[38:31] Speaker 5: ... I, I realize everything that's pre-made has ingredients. Can you get a list of the ingredients that go into it?

[38:37] Speaker 8: Oh, yeah. That I have.

[38:39] Speaker 5: All right. Well-

[38:40] Speaker 8: It's, it's down there. Yeah, it's-

[38:41] Speaker 5: Well, do you, can you read it, can you read it to me? Do you have it?

[38:45] Speaker 8: Yeah. Yeah, I have it, I have it. Uh, hold on. Let me see if I can, 'cause my eyes are really, you know, it's difficult now. But hold on. Yeah. It's, it's just, um, the nutrition that comes with it, like vitamins and min- and things like that. You know, it's, um, oh my goodness. It, it says ...

[39:02] Speaker 5: Well, there's gotta be, there has to be something in there of caloric value. So-

[39:06] Speaker 8: Yeah. Protein, it has protein, fat, it has, uh, um, dietary fiber, total sugars. It has, uh, added sugars. You see, it's like all that stuff, you know, like water. It has vitamin A, D, E, K, C. See what I'm saying? Uh, folate-

[39:30] Speaker 5: Well, does-

[39:32] Speaker 8: ... or thiamine.

[39:32] Speaker 5: Does it, does it say the makeup of the proteins that you get? Or does it just say proteins? Is it hydrolyzed protein, or is it regular prot- protein?

[39:41] Speaker 8: It doesn't say. It just, you know, gives you nutri- nutrients per ounce.

[39:46] Speaker 5: Uh-huh.

[39:46] Speaker 8: Vitamins and minerals. That's all in there too.

[39:48] Speaker 5: Well, the ... Most likely the vitamins and minerals are okay, but what are they, whatever they're using for your caloric value, that's what we would need to look at. Then if it's just saying-

[39:58] Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.

[39:59] Speaker 5: ... protein, like many people think that, "Well, all I have to do is get a protein shake," because, uh, the diet's got meat on it. Um, you can have turkey, ham, fish, uh-

[40:09] Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.

[40:09] Speaker 5: ... all kinds of, uh, beef, uh, pork, and they think, "Well, that's all protein, and if I, I get a protein shake." But, uh, no, no way. Protein shakes are no good at all, because they are often hydrolyzed or they have something else in them. Uh, unfortunately, I, I really can't comment. Uh, I don't know-

[40:26] Speaker 8: Yeah.

[40:27] Speaker 5: ... the, the, what the protein is, or the makeup of it. Uh, and it's beyond my expertise. I'm sorry.

[40:35] Speaker 8: Yeah. It tells you here ingredients. See, water, corn, (laughs) and it has the wheat, protein, hydro- something. It's got a lot of proteins.

[40:44] Speaker 5: Hydrolyzed, yeah.

[40:45] Speaker 8: Yeah.

[40:45] Speaker 5: Well, see, there, you, you, you ha- it has wheat, and that, that could be, that would be a problem right off the get-go. That, that's not a gluten-free diet. That's for sure. Uh, the-

[40:56] Speaker 8: Yeah.

[40:56] Speaker 5: ... well, um-

[40:57] Speaker 8: The whole ... .

[40:58] Speaker 5: ... I wish I could be more of help to you, but, uh, you know, uh, in, in terms of doing everything else that you can, and you may consider, uh, maybe the Herbal Parasite Stop formula will help.

[41:10] Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.

[41:10] Speaker 5: Or maybe, uh, getting them to give you a prescription for ORAP or Abilify or something like that will be of benefit, uh, as well.

[41:17] Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.

[41:17] Speaker 5: That's what I would consider. Thank you.

[41:20] Speaker 8: Okay. Okay. Prescription for, what did you say? What is the name?

[41:24] Speaker 5: ORAP, Primozide. It's the same thing. Primozide and ORAP, O-R-A... It's in chapter seven of my book. There's a list of, uh, 11 different medications.

[41:35] Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.

[41:35] Speaker 5: Abilify is probably one of the more acceptable ones because it's used for depression, and you can't have these, you can't have Morgellons and not be dealing with depression. It's definitely there. Uh, Seroquel is there as well, and, uh, Wellbutrin. That's a popular medication as well.

[41:53] Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.

[41:54] Speaker 5: So perhaps, uh, if you talk to your doctor about getting prescription of one of those, or, uh, using our Herbal Parasite Stop formula.

[42:02] Speaker 8: Okay. Good.

[42:03] Speaker 5: Thank you.

[42:04] Speaker 8: Thank you.

[42:04] Speaker 5: Okay. Thank you. Uh, who else? Someone else, star six.

[42:09] Speaker 9: Richard.

[42:10] Speaker 5: Hello?

[42:11] Speaker 9: R- Richard?

[42:12] Speaker 5: Yes.

[42:13] Speaker 8: Yeah.

[42:14] Speaker 9: This is Adacia.

[42:16] Speaker 5: Hi, Adacia. How are you?

[42:18] Speaker 9: I'm, I'm good. I'm really good. Um, I'm just wondering-

[42:23] Speaker 5: Uh-

[42:23] Speaker 9: ... about the mouthwash. If she can't eat because she has issues in her mouth, and they had to put the tube in, what about all the stuff for her mouth, the mouthwash and stuff?

[42:34] Speaker 5: Well, I'm not sure if her mouth is an issue, but nevertheless, it's a great question, and we have the best products in the world for dealing with mouth issues. And the first would be to use our Sweet Water Baking Soda Toothpaste. Uh, it's compatible with the diet. It has none of the chemicals in it. If you read, uh, any toothpaste, commercial toothpaste out there, it said not, it says not to be used by children under age six. They made- most of them got fluorides. They got, uh, uh, even, uh, sodium lauryl sulfate in them, uh, and other, uh, chemicals.... like propylene, uh, with... That's like, um, uh, ant- antifreeze. So, uh, you start with our bake- Sweetwater baking soda toothpaste. It makes you very thirsty after you brush. You drink, uh, you get our hydration packs that has all the minerals in it and the vita- and, uh, all the minerals that you need.

[43:27] Speaker 5: You put the hydration pack in a, a big cup of water and you sip on it during the day yo- so that you consume the whole cup, but you leave it sit in your mouth for about, uh, 15 seconds or so before you swallow it. Then that helps, uh, really feed the, the mouth and, and, uh, uh, really makes a big difference. Our mouthwash is the best in the world. Uh, so y- you put those three things together and, and, uh, you're, you're gonna have, you're gonna have the best, best shot at having the best mouth that you can have. Thank you for the, for that, uh, suggestion.

[44:04] Speaker 10: Thank you.

[44:05] Speaker 5: Um, who else?

[44:07] Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.

[44:10] Speaker 5: Anyone else? Star six.

[44:11] Speaker 11: Hi, Richard.

[44:13] Speaker 5: Yes, hi.

[44:14] Speaker 11: Hi, this is Mary, uh, who, (laughs) who emails you occasionally about, uh, research on fungi, et cetera. So, um, I'm not recommending anything for the lady with a gastrostomy tube, a G tube, gastrostomy tube. Um, however, I, I do happen to work with, um, special needs children who have, um, gastrostomy tubes and oftent- oftentimes they have seizures, et cetera. There are a variety of, of liquid diets, uh, that these children, or that the physicians can choose from. Some are dairy-free, some are grain-free, some are sugar-free, uh, or, or, you know, sweetener-free.

[45:03] Speaker 11: So, um, you know, uh-

[45:07] Speaker 5: Yeah, what... Your, your-

[45:08] Speaker 11: ... ******* to do with it.

[45:08] Speaker 5: ... suggestion is very good. There should be so-... There, there may be alternatives that she can look into, which is-

[45:13] Speaker 11: Yes, right.

[45:14] Speaker 5: ... is, uh, yeah, which is, uh-

[45:16] Speaker 11: It won't clog, it won't clog the-

[45:17] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[45:17] Speaker 11: ... uh, gastrostomy tube. That's all. Uh, thank you very much, and best wishes.

[45:21] Speaker 5: Thank you. Thank you for sharing-

[45:22] Speaker 10: Thank you.

[45:22] Speaker 5: ... and, and contributing that. Thank you.

[45:24] Speaker 10: Thank you for-

[45:25] Speaker 5: Uh, anyone else? Star six.

[45:27] Speaker 12: Hi, Richard. I have a question.

[45:28] Speaker 10: Oh, yes.

[45:29] Speaker 5: Yes, hi.

[45:29] Speaker 12: Can you hear me?

[45:30] Speaker 5: I can.

[45:30] Speaker 12: Yes. This is Laurie and, uh, we live in Arizona, my husband and I. And we bought a new build home about a year and a half ago, and we had a water infiltration, whole house water filtration system put in 'cause the water's so hard. It's like a softener as well. And, um, so-

[45:49] Speaker 10: Kind of a...

[45:50] Speaker 12: ... we noticed today that in the, the tank that actually holds the salt, there's a lot of water and we feel that there's just a lot of little black specs and stuff in there. And, um, we've had it in our toilet tanks and everything as well. So I'm, I'm thinking the water supply is perhaps contaminated. Have you ever come across this before where the Columbella had infiltrated, uh, moisture in an air filtration system and water... Sorry, water filtration system and then, you know, just disperses it to every sink?

[46:29] Speaker 12: (laughs) You know-

[46:29] Speaker 5: Well, to answer your question-

[46:31] Speaker 12: Yes.

[46:31] Speaker 5: ... uh, not specifically, but, uh, oftentimes, uh, water is an issue. The tanks and so forth, uh, can be... can get contaminated and, uh, particularly when, uh, you have your own, uh, well, uh, perhaps-

[46:47] Speaker 12: Specifically on the left.

[46:47] Speaker 5: ... or something of that nature.

[46:49] Speaker 12: Yeah.

[46:49] Speaker 5: So it, it, uh... Now, from this tank, what kind of, uh, filtration... It goes through a filtration system, right? A purification system from the tank-

[46:58] Speaker 12: It, um-

[46:58] Speaker 5: ... where, where it has these specs that you find?

[47:02] Speaker 12: So it's like a carbon filter and a water softener. So the water soft... So basically it goes through the carbon filter, and then it comes into these, this other water softener and it pulls from that salt tank that is contaminated. It just is like a, it...

[47:21] Speaker 10: It regenerates.

[47:21] Speaker 12: Yeah. Anyhow, it regenerates once a week and it pulls it into the place where it has these beads and then it shoots the water all throughout the house.

[47:30] Speaker 5: Hmm. Uh, I, again, I'm no expert on these systems and I don't even know where to start commenting. Um, it's something I think you n- you would want to do a lot of research into yourself and find out-

[47:46] Speaker 12: Mm-hmm.

[47:46] Speaker 5: ... as much about it as you possibly can. And then perhaps you can share it with us, but, uh, I'm not in a position to make any intelligent-

[47:54] Speaker 12: Oh.

[47:54] Speaker 5: ... uh, comments.

[47:55] Speaker 12: Yeah.

[47:55] Speaker 5: I don't know if anyone else is on the, the call that is, uh, familiar with these kind of systems and has experience that, that they can share, but it's way out of my league.

[48:06] Speaker 12: Yeah. Well, we're ha- we're gonna call the person that installed it on Monday and figure that out because I always feel worse after I would take a shower. I mean, I just never understood. I mean, you wash your hands. What are you doing? You're getting it on you. So it is very concerning. But we have all your products and, I mean, I was so excited to take the bath and, and initially I felt pretty good in the bath, but the shower afterward, of course, I'm just pouring them back on to me.

[48:31] Speaker 12: But, um, my-

[48:32] Speaker 5: So the water-

[48:33] Speaker 12: Yeah.

[48:33] Speaker 5: ... the water that you're taking a bath with then is not purified? It doesn't go through the filtration system and, uh, it just comes out of the tank?

[48:43] Speaker 12: No, everything... It's a whole house water filtration system.

[48:47] Speaker 5: Uh-huh.

[48:47] Speaker 12: So everything, everything comes out from that system. Here, my husband's here.

[48:54] Speaker 10: What happens is, it's a water softener, so at once a week, it does what they call regeneration, where it takes this brine water, you add salt to a plastic, uh, you know, well, or a, a little, a-

[49:07] Speaker 13: ... tank, uh, and then it forces water into that and it takes that brine water and it regenerates the resin beads which actually perform the water softening. The water-

[49:19] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

[49:19] Speaker 13: ... softener takes, takes out the calcium and magnesium and other things, iron and stuff, and then the sodium from the saltwater brine, in essence, renews the resin beads so they can continue to make the water soft. But what we're thinking is if the Columbola, like you say, they're so small, they get into the water, that brine tank, they could be sucked into the, um, you know, potentially into that, uh, softener tank.

[49:46] Speaker 13: And then-

[49:46] Speaker 5: Exactly.

[49:47] Speaker 13: ... even though, even though it discharges all that water that it uses for the brine water, it doesn't actually send that through the house, 'cause it has a way of, of releasing that and, and like draining it. But then, it... To me, it would still be possible that those things could still be in, you know, i- within that tank and then when the water reu- it resets and it, water comes from the carbon filter, um, and then goes into the resin tank, then it potentially could then send it throughout the house. So it's, it's a little complicated but that's...

[50:18] Speaker 13: We're, we're just wondering like, you know, the, the, the brine water itself doesn't, actually doesn't, you know, um, isn't sent through the pipes but we're just wondering if it's possible that the-

[50:30] Speaker 5: You know-

[50:30] Speaker 13: ... Columbola could be left behind-

[50:33] Speaker 5: Well-

[50:33] Speaker 13: ... in the softener tank-

[50:34] Speaker 5: But qu-

[50:35] Speaker 13: ... and then (inaudible) -

[50:35] Speaker 5: The question, though, would be about the filtration. What is the... What, uh, size particles can get through? Again, Columbola is about 300 microns in size. So that's what... That's the first thing you want to look at, is, uh, it c- is it possible for something of that nature, that size, to get through the filtration system. Uh, so that, that would be my first question.

[50:58] Speaker 13: That's a great question, thank you. We're writing it down right now. So we're... We'll ask them what is the size of the particles that can make it through that, you know... From the, you know, brine into the softening part. It's a shame they do the filter first and then they take it from the brine and send it out. If only it was the other way around, perhaps it w- it would be a better situation.

[51:19] Speaker 5: Yeah. If-

[51:20] Speaker 13: But, um, my second... Go ahead.

[51:21] Speaker 5: If after the filtration, if that section has gotten contaminated with Columbola, well then y- the filtration system doesn't matter because it's already too late. They're already in there. Uh, it should be filtered again. I mean, like air filtration systems, yeah, you know, they talk about micron, uh, down to micron size. So, uh, and that would definitely filter out, um, uh, Columbola, which is 300 microns.

[51:46] Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, I think you want to look at that, uh, the filtration and, and see, uh, uh, uh-

[51:53] Speaker 13: Well, size.

[51:54] Speaker 5: ... the tank... Yeah, the tank after the filtration, I'm not sure if that w- you know, maybe you need another filtration system after the, uh, tank. Right?

[52:03] Speaker 13: Yeah, after the brine tank. That's a-

[52:04] Speaker 5: Right.

[52:04] Speaker 13: That is another idea. All right. Well, we appreciate that. And then my other question, uh, is... So I, I got all these products. For me, I'm more symptomatic than my husband. Occasionally, he will have something pop up but he's al- uh, I have, um, CIRS, chronic inflammatory response syndrome, which is similar to Lyme, so I'm predisposed to insect bites and everything. And so, um, I, I've been on the protocol of, like, I started the ba- the bathing and all of that stuff. I have all the products. And he really hasn't been using the products. I had him try the mouthwash and he might do the lemon formula, 'cause he's not into cinnamon. But my question is, is that he cannot do three baths a day. He's very busy, works hard.

[52:49] Speaker 13: So what is, like, a good thing for someone that's not symptomatic but doesn't want to reinfect me can do to simplify this, um, for him to-

[53:01] Speaker 5: Oh, that's a fan-

[53:02] Speaker 13: ... you know, make sure (inaudible) hassle?

[53:03] Speaker 5: That's a fantastic question. The... First of all, why three baths a day? Well, many people, such as yourself, are heavily infected and do experience a lot of itching 24/7. So the idea, three baths, is to cut down the itching. So the idea is to be able to go from one bath to the next with relatively little itching, and in between, if you do notice any itching, that's where you spray on the, uh, diluted debriding soap, we call it Body Wipe, or you apply one of our lotions or creams, uh, to handle any itch in between. Since he is not symptomatic, he doesn't really need three baths a day.

[53:43] Speaker 5: In fact, generally, uh, carriers, uh, all that is, is basically required, at least it, it worked this way with my wife, was for her to take a bath, uh, with the Nature's Gift, and I had to talk her into that, I don't know why-

[53:58] Speaker 13: Mm-hmm.

[53:58] Speaker 5: ... but nevertheless, and then, uh, do the laundry, all of her laundry, with the ammonia, um, and that was it. Uh, once we did that and the bedding and the laundry, then she was no longer really a carrier. And then... And we had, uh, no problem.

[54:15] Speaker 13: Okay.

[54:15] Speaker 5: But... So use that as a guide.

[54:19] Speaker 13: Is that what (inaudible) ? Yeah.

[54:20] Speaker 14: (inaudible) .

[54:21] Speaker 13: But he is strictly on the diet and everything, so that's good. I mean-

[54:25] Speaker 14: That's, that's important.

[54:25] Speaker 13: Yeah.

[54:25] Speaker 5: That is very important because then he is 100% with you and he's not one of those, uh, uh, crazy spouses that says, "Oh, you get a (inaudible) but not me. You know, you should go to see the psychiatrist."

[54:40] Speaker 13: Yeah. No, he's very supportive.

[54:40] Speaker 5: You know, it, it's wonderful to have spouses who... You, you can't-

[54:44] Speaker 13: Aww.

[54:44] Speaker 5: You gotta thank your, you gotta thank your lucky stars that you have a supportive spouse. Really.

[54:49] Speaker 13: I am really grateful.

[54:50] Speaker 5: And, and, and you don't have one of those crazy nuts that say, "Well, you're a drug addict and, uh, you deserve it and, and, uh, you, you've been worshiping the wrong god," or some crap like that. (laughs)

[54:59] Speaker 13: Yeah. No, no. So, so if we maybe have it in our water, like I'm doing the bedding right now, despite our discovery, how much ammonia would you recommend, uh, for the diluted laundry ammonia would you put into a load? And we actually sprayed some in our sprayer-

[55:18] Speaker 7: ... that we spray around, uh, into the dryer-

[55:20] Speaker 5: Hmm.

[55:20] Speaker 7: ... when we did the bedspread, but, uh, how much would you recommend?

[55:23] Speaker 5: Well, okay. We're down to about three minutes and a half. And to g-

[55:27] Speaker 7: Oh, okay.

[55:27] Speaker 5: ... to give you the full load there, it's in chapter three. It's quite detailed.

[55:32] Speaker 7: Okay.

[55:32] Speaker 5: Uh, y- you start with, uh, you know, for me all I needed to do was w- uh, laundry with ammonia, about a cup of ammonia-

[55:40] Speaker 7: Mm-hmm.

[55:40] Speaker 5: ... and then put it in the dryer. And then years later, I realized that my dryer could have been affected, but it wasn't unfortunately, but many people's are. So you gotta deal with the possibility of the dryer. So you start basic with ammonia, and then put it-

[55:54] Speaker 7: Mm-hmm.

[55:54] Speaker 5: ... into the dryer and disinfect it then. And then if that, if that doesn't get rid of them out, then you go into, uh, the book and there's a, it, it, it's a... If you're using the PDF of the book, it links you to a blog post that gets into very detail, very detail. And you-

[56:12] Speaker 7: Okay.

[56:12] Speaker 5: ... you go as far as you have to.

[56:14] Speaker 7: Okay. Fantastic. Thank you so much for your time. You've been a big help. Appreciate it.

[56:20] Speaker 5: Well, thank you for, uh, being part of our program today. Appreciate it. Keep coming back, and I'm glad to hear that, uh, you enjoy the products. Thank you.

[56:28] Speaker 7: Oh, thanks.

[56:29] Speaker 5: Who next? We got two-

[56:29] Speaker 15: Richard, I have a, I have another ques-

[56:31] Speaker 5: Yes.

[56:31] Speaker 15: I have one question. Um, this is Tracy.

[56:34] Speaker 5: Okay.

[56:34] Speaker 15: Um, when you, in your book it said, and I think I've talked to you before, um, you said about spraying ammonia inside of your furnace. Um, can you do the enzymes instead of the ammonia?

[56:47] Speaker 5: Okay. Uh, first of all, you said inside the furnace. No, we don't want to spray inside the furnace, but we do want to spray the filter system. So if you have an air circu-

[56:55] Speaker 15: Yeah, that's what I-

[56:56] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[56:56] Speaker 15: Yeah, that's what I'm... I'm-

[56:57] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[56:57] Speaker 15: ... sorry. That's what I mean.

[56:58] Speaker 5: Yes.

[56:59] Speaker 15: Yes.

[56:59] Speaker 5: If you have an air circulating system, then you would spray ammonia. Well, first of all, you'd want to change a filter. Get rid of that old filter, put in a new filter, and then, uh, you could... The idea is to spray the duct, uh, to get it into the duct work. Uh, depending how old your, uh, system is, you might want to have them come in and clean it, clean the duct work first.

[57:22] Speaker 15: Right.

[57:22] Speaker 5: And then after the duct work is clean, then, uh, spray in the, uh, the ammonia. Now, the, uh, problem with the enzymes is the enzymes only work with mites and coloboma. If you're dealing with Morgellons and filaments and fibers that might have got, might have gotten into the, uh... it, it's not gonna deal or be effective against, uh, Morgellons.

[57:46] Speaker 15: I'm only dealing, I think, with mites and coloboma. And I think-

[57:50] Speaker 5: Then, then that's the way to go.

[57:50] Speaker 15: ... it's more coloboma than, than anything right now, because it's-

[57:54] Speaker 5: Right.

[57:54] Speaker 15: ... just, it's been a mess. Um, but-

[57:56] Speaker 5: And, and if you're looking for a coach, we have a coach, Dave, uh, who may be a guest next week. And I was talking with him last night, uh, and he doesn't have too many people that he's coaching right now, so he's open to, uh, uh... I'll, I'll read his number later on. So we're down to one minute. Thank you, Tracy.

[58:14] Speaker 15: Okay. Thanks.

[58:14] Speaker 5: Anyone else? Uh, well, we got a minute. Uh, well, got anything to wrap it up with, uh, Robin? We're gonna continue after this segment, so don't hang up. We're just gonna be closing out the podcast shortly.

[58:29] Speaker 7: Um, no, I'm good. I'm good.

[58:31] Speaker 5: Yeah, we tackled some new issues here. Uh, you know, the feeding tubes and things, that's, uh, and, and the, uh, water filtration, uh, they're all challenging. Very, very challenging. I- it's not always an ABC thing for everybody, but, uh, you know, we tackle them. All right, well, that concludes this portion of the podcast. Hang on. We're gonna just close out now. We're not gonna shut down or anything, we're just gonna stop recording. Uh, well, we won't stop recording, we're just... All right, welcome back to our podcast. (alarm rings) You know, there, there was the, uh, the timer. All right, let me shut that off. All right, welcome back.

[59:13] Speaker 5: Uh, the, uh, Skin Wars podcast was, uh, over, and now it's just you and I, and Robin-

[59:21] Speaker 7: (laughs)

[59:22] Speaker 5: ... and any of our other coaches here to, uh, any questions. We will continue until we have them all answered. Anyone else?

[59:34] Speaker 3: I have one, Richard.

[59:36] Speaker 5: Okay.

[59:37] Speaker 3: It's Carol Ann.

[59:37] Speaker 5: And your name? Carol Ann, hi. Coach Carol Ann, hi.

[59:42] Speaker 3: This is Coach Carol Ann. Um, how are you? Everybody doing good?

[59:46] Speaker 5: I'm good.

[59:47] Speaker 3: All right. Me too. Um, a, a question that I've had, and I had trouble too, is putting that much ammonia in the load of wash. Um, my sheets are starting to get shredded and holes in them, and my towels are fading in spots. So, um, uh, Ethel suggested using the Borax and you're washing stuff real good and then spraying, um, a Armor & Hammer with nothing in it, sensitive. Uh, it just has essential oils in it, bounced with ammonia. And what can we do, or can we put, um, the spray that we spray of yours through the rooms into the wash and it won't do that?

[01:00:40] Speaker 5: Uh, I'm not quite following. Uh, you have a problem with ammonia that it, it shreds-

[01:00:50] Speaker 3: Yes, um, it does. Uh, it starts fading out your towels, and it'll leave, uh, spots and sometimes-

[01:00:58] Speaker 5: How much are you-

[01:00:59] Speaker 7: I

[01:00:59] Speaker 16: have a meeting.

[01:01:00] Speaker 5: ... how much are you using in each load?

[01:01:02] Speaker 3: Well, I, I, about a half a cup, because I cut down-

[01:01:06] Speaker 5: Oh.

[01:01:06] Speaker 3: ... because of that. Should I cut down less or... My sheets are-

[01:01:10] Speaker 5: I don't understand.

[01:01:10] Speaker 3: ... starting to shred. Of course, they're about a year or two old, but, um, they're shredding, you know, and they have spots-'Cause I don't use bleach in the washer.

[01:01:21] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

[01:01:21] Speaker 3: I use the ammonia. And, um-

[01:01:24] Speaker 5: Well, you could use bleach. You could use bleach at this point.

[01:01:28] Speaker 3: But they're-

[01:01:28] Speaker 5: If they're not, if they're white you could use bleach and switch over to bleach.

[01:01:33] Speaker 3: Okay. They're, they're not. They're pale blue but, um. So is anybody else, has anybody else had that trouble? Have you had that trouble, Robin, or anybody?

[01:01:45] Speaker 7: I never used, I never used ammonia in the wash, no.

[01:01:48] Speaker 3: Okay.

[01:01:50] Speaker 7: I only use, I use, um-

[01:01:52] Speaker 3: Borax?

[01:01:53] Speaker 7: I use, I use the Cedarcide PCO, uh, for, uh, for a rinse. And I use, um, it- it's a, it's a, um, additive. I think it's from Bug Envy that I put in with the Nature's Gift and in the wash.

[01:02:14] Speaker 3: Okay.

[01:02:16] Speaker 7: And that's all I use. I mean, and I put-

[01:02:20] Speaker 5: Yeah, we, we have a super laundry soap. Unfortunately, uh, it's been out of stock for a month or two already and I don't know when we're gonna get it back.

[01:02:29] Speaker 7: Right.

[01:02:30] Speaker 3: Laundry soap, awesome.

[01:02:32] Speaker 5: Okay, uh, anyone else? Star six.

[01:02:37] Speaker 3: Any, any news on the parasite stuff?

[01:02:41] Speaker 5: Uh, hopefully it'll be in this week. Hopefully. Uh-

[01:02:44] Speaker 3: Yay. Yay. Okay.

[01:02:47] Speaker 5: Amen.

[01:02:47] Speaker 3: Okay. Thank you.

[01:02:48] Speaker 5: Thank you.

[01:02:49] Speaker 3: So-

[01:02:49] Speaker 4: Hi, it's, um, Marris in Georgia.

[01:02:52] Speaker 3: Hi.

[01:02:52] Speaker 5: Hi, Marris.

[01:02:54] Speaker 4: Let, let Coach... Is that Coach Sharon?

[01:02:57] Speaker 3: It was.

[01:02:58] Speaker 5: No, that was Coach Carol Ann.

[01:02:59] Speaker 3: But go ahead. It was Coach Sharon I was just going to say something.

[01:03:01] Speaker 4: No, she's coming in. I'm letting her go before me.

[01:03:04] Speaker 3: Never get confused.

[01:03:05] Speaker 4: Thanks, Marris. I, I appreciate it, Marris. Yes, this is Coach Sharon.

[01:03:08] Speaker 5: Yes.

[01:03:09] Speaker 4: I just had a quick, um, note that I wanted to share, uh, for our future coach, Kathy. I wanted to give some kudos to her. Kudos to Kathy. Kathy has beat having to worry about weight. She is up to a weight that is pleasing to her. Many of us, we have problems with weight when we're dealing with these parasites. But she's making some great dishes, and I think she's willing to share her number with you guys if you'd like to find out how she was able to gain weight. And she's gonna be a great coach. Thank you so much, Marris, for letting me speak.

[01:03:48] Speaker 5: Oh, now who is that, uh, that you're talking about, Sharon? We, we have some background-

[01:03:54] Speaker 4: That's Carol Ann's grandchildren yelling.

[01:03:58] Speaker 5: Oh, Kathy, okay.

[01:03:59] Speaker 4: And she is on the ball.

[01:04:06] Speaker 3: (laughs) Okay.

[01:04:06] Speaker 5: Yeah. If, if, uh, your call, if your phone number ends in 2142 would you mute yourself, star six? And if your phone ends in 086-0855, mute yourself please.

[01:04:21] Speaker 4: Marris would not like to mute herself. That's Carol Ann's grandchildren making that background noise. I have no children here. (laughs)

[01:04:29] Speaker 5: Oh, okay.

[01:04:30] Speaker 4: There's nothing going on here. It's very quiet.

[01:04:33] Speaker 5: All right.

[01:04:33] Speaker 4: Maybe you should mute it.

[01:04:34] Speaker 3: No, not here. I'm here by myself. No.

[01:04:36] Speaker 4: Oh, well then where's that? Who, who needs to be getting rid, rid of their children if you have kids?

[01:04:42] Speaker 3: I'm the only child. No, no.

[01:04:42] Speaker 5: 2142?

[01:04:44] Speaker 3: I'm home by myself. No, not me.

[01:04:47] Speaker 4: Okay, Carol Ann, pardon me.

[01:04:50] Speaker 5: I mean, what we can do is... Yeah, what we can do is just mute everybody, then start over. Kris, can you do that? Just mute everybody.

[01:04:56] Speaker 3: Okay.

[01:05:05] Speaker 4: Marris is back. I don't know if you still want to-

[01:05:08] Speaker 5: All right, Marris, go ahead.

[01:05:11] Speaker 4: Um, I'm, I'm being... Now I'm being really bad.

[01:05:17] Speaker 3: Okay.

[01:05:24] Speaker 5: Now, Marris, we couldn't get through to you.

[01:05:37] Speaker 17: Okay, Richard, when somebody wants to talk, I will open the line.

[01:05:45] Speaker 5: Okay.

[01:05:46] Speaker 17: All right. Well, I think our whole system is gone wacky like this. Our system is wacky.

[01:06:02] Speaker 4: Unmuted.

[01:06:03] Speaker 17: Hello? Your system is wacky.

[01:06:24] Speaker 4: Richard, I'm getting a really bad echo. Is everybody else getting that?

[01:06:39] Speaker 5: What do we have to do? Close it out and back in?

[01:06:43] Speaker 7: That's so strange.

[01:07:11] Speaker 17: Oh, okay. Uh, what is happening is somebody in the same location, they're using your phone and the laptop to call into the system.

[01:07:20] Speaker 7: Right.

[01:07:22] Speaker 17: And, uh-

[01:07:23] Speaker 7: Which would be Richard.

[01:07:24] Speaker 17: I think, I think it was Richard, so I shut him down.... uh, because he has to come back and then when he comes back, we can tell because I can't even tell him what to do.

[01:07:33] Speaker 1: Right. Right. Huh.

[01:07:36] Speaker 17: So let him come back.

[01:07:38] Speaker 1: Okay.

[01:07:40] Speaker 17: And we can tell him. And the thing is, uh, the important thing is, if anybody wants to ask a question, they can, we... (ding) they can give us the number and I can unmute them because everybody unmuting, it becomes chaotic. There's no discipline at all.

[01:07:55] Speaker 1: Right. Right. (ding)

[01:08:01] Speaker 18: Hello, this is Gary. Could I make a comment? (ding)

[01:08:05] Speaker 17: Not yet, Gary. Not yet.

[01:08:07] Speaker 18: Okay.

[01:08:07] Speaker 1: Just stay there until he-

[01:08:08] Speaker 17: Gary, mute, mute yourself please.

[01:08:09] Speaker 18: Okay.

[01:08:09] Speaker 17: Don't open your line.

[01:08:10] Speaker 18: I'll mute myself.

[01:08:12] Speaker 17: Thank you. You didn't mute yourself Ga- Gary, so I muted you. Richard, you back? (background noise)

[01:08:50] Speaker 1: I don't think so.

[01:08:55] Speaker 17: I saw him.

[01:09:03] Speaker 1: Hmm.

[01:09:09] Speaker 19: Hi, it's Maris. Um, I got off the call because it was reverbing. (laughs) It sounds like y'all are good now. So is, is somebody speaking?

[01:09:19] Speaker 1: Yeah, we're waiting for Richard to come back in. Um, (ding) I think it was because he ha- he was, he was... He hadn't turned the sound off his computer and he had sound going through the computer and the phone. So that's what did that. (ding) But... Chris, are you sure we can't talk while we're waiting?

[01:09:51] Speaker 17: Yeah, y- y-... Okay. Okay. You, you can talk, uh, uh, Robin.

[01:09:57] Speaker 1: Okay. But somebody had wanted to make a comment. I don't... uh, I didn't catch (ding) their name.

[01:10:04] Speaker 18: I wanted to say something. This is Gary.

[01:10:06] Speaker 1: Hi.

[01:10:08] Speaker 18: Hi. Hi, Robin. Uh, I wanted to mention something about wash. I've used bleach and ammonia and I swear there was something jumping out of the water. Now, as long as I'm not breathing it, it should be fine. It's... I don't care what, what it does to my clothes, but it was, it was doing a good job on it, on my clothes.

[01:10:28] Speaker 1: Right. Well, I found-

[01:10:30] Speaker 18: Make sure there was two-

[01:10:30] Speaker 1: I found solutions that totally clean my clothes and-

[01:10:34] Speaker 18: What do you use? What was it that you said you use?

[01:10:36] Speaker 1: Well, um, hold on, I have to look at... Why don't... I'm gonna go get the stuff, because I don't remember. Give me a minute. I have to get out of this corner. Um...

[01:10:47] Speaker 18: And an- another thing, you have to mix it first before you put your clothes in so it gets well mixed with the water, so you don't get spots. That was another thing. I don't... that person who said she's getting spots, it's probably she's adding it afterwards and it's not mixing w- well with the water before. Okay, I'm gonna mute myself. (ding) I muted it on my phone. I muted my phone.

[01:11:18] Speaker 17: I can hear you. So, uh, anyone else have a question-

[01:11:22] Speaker 1: Uh-

[01:11:22] Speaker 17: ... while, uh... Oh, here she is.

[01:11:23] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[01:11:23] Speaker 17: She's back. (clears throat)

[01:11:25] Speaker 1: I'm back. I do... So what I use in laundry is, um, well, I love Richard's Laundry and, uh, and I also use just, you know, laundry soap that has nothing bad in it, but I put in, uh, Primo laundry additive. It's a, it's a pesticide designed just for laundry. And, and I love that stuff. And then in the rinse part of the compartment, I put Cedarcide PCO Outdoor Bug Control, and in the wash, before I start it, I put, um, what it... not Epson salts, what is that? Uh, Borax. And I wash it on a hot cycle. I can even wash gen- on a gentle cycle and it'll still get things out, those... that combination. And then in the dryer, I use two dryer sheets. One, I spray with peppermint oil and one, I spray with ammonia, and I dry it for, like, an hour and a half at the highest setting. And I haven't had problems with my laundry in, like, three years.

[01:12:35] Speaker 18: Can I ask you, Robin, where did you get the Primo?

[01:12:38] Speaker 1: Online. Ju- it's P-R-E-M-

[01:12:40] Speaker 18: Amazon?

[01:12:41] Speaker 1: O laundry additive. They're a company. They're great.

[01:12:44] Speaker 18: Okay.

[01:12:44] Speaker 1: I love them.

[01:12:45] Speaker 18: Okay. I'll look for them on Amazon.

[01:12:48] Speaker 1: Yeah, that... they have it on Amazon.

[01:12:50] Speaker 18: Okay. Thank you.

[01:12:52] Speaker 1: Yeah. But the PCO is, is really important also. It's the combination.

[01:12:59] Speaker 18: PCO?

[01:13:00] Speaker 1: Cedar- Cedarcide PCO.

[01:13:03] Speaker 18: Okay. Okay, I'll look for that too.

[01:13:06] Speaker 1: (ding) Yeah, I think they work better than... And they don't destroy your clothes, so that's really nice.

[01:13:12] Speaker 18: Yeah. I, I get a lot of shredding on my, on my towels that I use for my cats, because I do have two cats.

[01:13:20] Speaker 1: Yeah. I-

[01:13:21] Speaker 18: And I know they're not scratching the towels because they're just-

[01:13:25] Speaker 1: I wouldn't bother using towels.

[01:13:26] Speaker 18: ... they just shred.

[01:13:26] Speaker 1: I would just get some paper towel, like Viva paper towels have a cloth-like feel.And-

[01:13:34] Speaker 20: I've done that too, yeah. I have. I don't know why I stopped doing that.

[01:13:37] Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. But I think it's better when you're still deal- dealing with stuff than towels.

[01:13:43] Speaker 20: Y- Yeah, then I can just throw them out. Yup.

[01:13:45] Speaker 1: Exactly.

[01:13:45] Speaker 20: That makes it easy.

[01:13:46] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[01:13:48] Speaker 20: Thanks, Robin, for that advice. I, I'd forgotten that I was doing that for a long time.

[01:13:53] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[01:13:53] Speaker 20: Then I stopped.

[01:13:55] Speaker 1: It, it's very helpful.

[01:13:56] Speaker 21: Robin, where, where are you putting the Borax?

[01:14:00] Speaker 1: I put the Borax in before I add any water to the wash, right in with the clothes.

[01:14:05] Speaker 21: Oh, in the drum?

[01:14:08] Speaker 1: Yes.

[01:14:10] Speaker 21: Okay.

[01:14:13] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

[01:14:15] Speaker 21: The whole cup? Do you put a whole cup?

[01:14:17] Speaker 1: I don't even measure. I'm sorry. I think it's probably a half a cup.

[01:14:23] Speaker 21: Okay, thank you.

[01:14:26] Speaker 20: (clears throat)

[01:14:27] Speaker 1: Yeah. I just-

[01:14:27] Speaker 5: Hey, anyone else with a question? Thank you. Toni, are you on? Last week, we were talking about, uh, uh, fungus. People were, uh, some lady was saying there's white fungus all around, uh, like a dusting and, uh, you wrote me afterwards about, uh, Metaclean. Are you on, Toni?

[01:14:50] Speaker 1: No, that was Gary that was talking.

[01:14:53] Speaker 5: Oh. Yeah, uh, I didn't think about it because of... But, uh, uh, Toni pointed out that, uh, Metaclean is a disinfectant, and we have it in the store-

[01:15:04] Speaker 1: Yes.

[01:15:04] Speaker 5: ... that is, uh, extremely useful against, uh, uh, fungus, uh, like that. So, that's something you may consider if it, if it applies.

[01:15:13] Speaker 1: Right.

[01:15:14] Speaker 5: Uh, it's a chemical disinfectant and it's relatively inexpensive. One part to eight, one part concentrate to eight parts water. And, and you've used it. You liked it, right?

[01:15:25] Speaker 1: Yes, I love it. It's good stuff. Especially on mites.

[01:15:28] Speaker 5: Okay, you... Yes?

[01:15:32] Speaker 1: Metaclean works great with mites.

[01:15:35] Speaker 5: Mites?

[01:15:35] Speaker 22: I-

[01:15:35] Speaker 5: Yeah. Okay. Anyone-

[01:15:37] Speaker 22: I, I'm, I'm here now, Richard. Sorry, I hung up when I was trying to un-mute. Um, but Metaclean is used for mold remediation. It's, um, pretty useful. You, you, and it's great for duct work. If you've had leakage of water into your home, and, uh, you've had people who had to rip out drywall, this is the kind of material that they would use to spray after cleaning to keep mold from growing in those infested areas.

[01:16:07] Speaker 1: Mm.

[01:16:07] Speaker 22: So, it's a, it's a really good product.

[01:16:10] Speaker 5: Oh, great. Thanks for sharing.

[01:16:11] Speaker 22: If it, and if it, if it's used for, if it... Well, I, I tried it for mites, it didn't really help. But I have a lot and I, I, well, I highly endorse it for mold. And it can be used in the electrostatic sprayer, as you sell it, so that's-

[01:16:29] Speaker 5: Right, okay. Thank you.

[01:16:32] Speaker 22: And I-

[01:16:32] Speaker 5: All right.

[01:16:32] Speaker 22: I have, I actually have experience with, uh, whole house water filters. Do you want me to add to that now, or...

[01:16:39] Speaker 5: Oh, go right ahead because I'm not the expert and I really would like to find somebody who knows a lot more than I do. Yeah. Okay, go ahead. What do you, what, uh, what do you want?

[01:16:48] Speaker 22: When I, when I had the condo built, I had the, um, I had a whole house water filter put in, and it's, it's activated charcoal. So it's a, it's a big tank. Has gravel in the bottom and activated charcoal on top, I think about like 20, 30 pounds. Um, but when you use that, and I think that's what the, uh, couple in Arizona is using for their water softener, um, the, uh, carbon absorbs a lot of chemicals and byproducts, gases, um, but it has to be flushed out a couple times a week. So, they actually backflush the carbon back into the water. Actually, there's a, a waste dump that, that goes into like, a drain. But, and then it's, um, turns the water back on to have the water go through the carbon again. Um, but the, the carbon actually breaks down and, especially when it's new, it has lots of fine particles in it that will come out, and chunks also. So, what they're seeing in their, uh, salt tank is probably just bits of carbon, and that's kind of normal. It'll just sink to the bottom.

[01:17:52] Speaker 22: There'll be kind of dust floating on the top at first, but it'll go away. I, I don't think it's any cause for concern. I don't think it's Columbola growing in the water. Um, so that's my two cents on that. I, and I, I love my filter. It lasts for like five, about five, six years before you have to replace the carbon in it because of the back flushing of the

[01:18:14] Speaker 10: Because, uh, if I recall, she was saying that, uh, when she takes a shower, she feels some activity for, like from the water.

[01:18:23] Speaker 22: Yeah. Yeah, well, maybe that has to do with the salt brine that they're putting back into the water to soften it. You know, it's, it's also to reduce chemicals, it's reduced the hardness of the water. So, that means there's a lot of metal, metals and minerals in the water, but the salt brine helps bind to those particles. But I'm wondering if she's feeling itchiness because of that salt, the water, of the water softener.

[01:18:49] Speaker 5: Oh.

[01:18:50] Speaker 22: That's just my idea, so she should probably talk-

[01:18:52] Speaker 5: Uh-huh.

[01:18:53] Speaker 22: ... to her water specialist to see what they recommend in her area.

[01:18:57] Speaker 5: Okay.

[01:18:57] Speaker 22: And I think they said they, they have like, an appointment with them this week. So, good luck to them.

[01:19:04] Speaker 12: Mr.-

[01:19:04] Speaker 5: Okay, I hope she's still on.

[01:19:05] Speaker 12: Mr. Dove with the water softener.

[01:19:08] Speaker 22: Oh, hi. (laughs)

[01:19:09] Speaker 12: Hi. So, we're going to call him tomorrow. We noticed the specs-

[01:19:13] Speaker 22: Okay.

[01:19:14] Speaker 12: ... today.

[01:19:16] Speaker 10: I, I appreciate hearing about the fact that potentially it could be the carbon. I mean, we, this system we've had for a year and a half. So, I'm not sure if it would, that would still be a concern. And it does, the, um... But one concern we, we have is that it's pin- um, it's possible that our brine, brine tank isn't, um-... that isn't pulling out all the water, like a, in the correct way. There, there's several reasons why it could be that we have too much water in the brine tank. So, like I said, I read an article on that. So it's, it's possible that we might be able to deal with it from that perspective. Our concern about having the Columbola in there is that we have, we have noticed that there were a lot of Columbola in our ... in house, in general. And so, we've done as much as we can do, uh, even before we, uh, found Richard Kuhn's, you know, protocol (laughs) to, to try to eliminate those.

[01:20:10] Speaker 10: We put diatomic sulfur throughout the entire home, on the floors, and, you know, and all that. So we, we're doing our best. But this, this unit is, of course, out in the, in the garage. And so it's much more open to, um, you, you know, the elements and everything. And, and it just, it would be easier for them to get in. And so, that's, that was why we're concerned about that. I mean-

[01:20:32] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

[01:20:32] Speaker 10: ... but I don't, I don't know. I don't know if you, if the carbon would still be creating that, or if that was just through like the initial month or so that, you know, that would be a good thing to know.

[01:20:45] Speaker 5: Mm.

[01:20:48] Speaker 23: Okay.

[01:20:48] Speaker 5: And also, the, the amount of water is not supposed to be that high. It's actually higher than the salt. So ...

[01:20:58] Speaker 10: That's, that's something that we're gonna figure out.

[01:21:00] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[01:21:01] Speaker 10: Okay.

[01:21:01] Speaker 5: Exactly. I ... Well, the other question would be, could Columbola even live in that environment? I'm not sure. So Well, we did google could they live in saltwater, and it did say yes Okay But, yeah Well, there are 6,000 species of Columbola, but there are only about 19 that are hideous when it comes to human flesh, so it's, it's hard to say. I mean, uh, in wintertime, in the snow, you can see them on the, on the snow. They call them snow fleas. But, you know, I, I doubt that those are, uh, harmless to us. So, it Right There's, there's a lot of unknowns. But keep us posted on what you learn. That, that, th- this is why we call this a think-tank. We tackle all kinds of problems. Personally, me, I'm not, uh, an expert in this area, but I'm happy to learn Yeah Thank you Well, thank you Who's next? Star six. Anyone?

[01:22:05] Speaker 5: Are we done

[01:22:06] Speaker 18: Richard, I, I'd like to say something.

[01:22:09] Speaker 5: Yes.

[01:22:09] Speaker 18: Can you hear me?

[01:22:10] Speaker 5: I can.

[01:22:11] Speaker 18: Oh. Gary. Um, one thing, I, I was ... I learned from a, a little bit about water. Um, there are some experts. I mean, it's like a science. And, uh, like, I wish I could remember this doctor's name. He, he's Japanese, and he passed away. But he, uh ... There's a lot of people out there that have, uh, that know about his studies and things like that. They've done studies where they've spoken nice stuff to a glass of water, and, and then real bad stuff to the other glass.

[01:22:43] Speaker 19: That is Dr. Emo, Emogo.

[01:22:45] Speaker 18: Yeah.

[01:22:45] Speaker 19: It, it starts with an E. Dr.-

[01:22:47] Speaker 18: That's him.

[01:22:48] Speaker 19: Mm-hmm. Yeah. That's right. That's his name.

[01:22:49] Speaker 18: And, and then they'll freeze the water. And the water that was spoken nicely to was very nice crystals. But the other water was really deformed and dark and, you know, it didn't look like you'd ever want to drink that stuff. And also, one thing he had said about, uh, reverse osmosis, that membrane that they use has tiny, microscopic holes. And they think that he, he was thinking that, um, that they have to irradiate it. Use, uh, some kind of radiation to make those tiny holes, which could make the membrane, um, um ... could make it toxic or something like that. I mean, there was so much information on water. And this other doctor, I, I believe was German, he did studies where ... And he could purify water with ... He didn't mention, I don't know what kind of element he was using to just purify it. A couple of seconds. It didn't, it didn't even have to be touching the water. I, I wish I could ... Uh, and I found that information on, uh, on a website.

[01:23:54] Speaker 18: It was, uh, Caravan to Midnight with John B. Wells. He had interviewed this, uh, German doctor. And it was three hours long. Really, really good information. I had no idea that, um, that water was ... could be, uh, a science. And (clears throat) the one thing about our water, we could replace all of our pipes in the house, but, um, because of the source and the distance from the source, it could be ... You know, our pipes are real old. You know, I'd say, 100 years ago, our pipes were a lot newer. So you could imagine that ... how much, uh, can collect in the pipes from the source to our house, what could be in it. So, I think everybody should have a water filtration system if they're gonna drink water from the tap.

[01:24:44] Speaker 5: Well-

[01:24:44] Speaker 18: That's all I got to say.

[01:24:46] Speaker 5: I thank you very much and, uh, drinking water from the tap, I would never, ever recommend. Uh, you know, it, it is a, it is a complete total science. And I would welcome somebody to become an expert in it that could share all the real details about it, because, uh, water is our life force. Uh, I've seen different things about a glass of water. You take two glasses of water, the same water, and, and you hold something over one glass, and that suddenly becomes healthy. And I ... You know, there's different things. Uh, again, I'm not the expert, and I welcome, uh, an expert to join us at some point. So, who else? Star six.

[01:25:26] Speaker 19: Ma- Maris. Can you hear me? Can you hear me?

[01:25:29] Speaker 5: I can hear you, Maris.

[01:25:30] Speaker 19: Oh, great. I've been wanting to say something since I let Sharon go. (laughs) Anyway, or ask something. Um, I've nee- weaned myself off of my thyroid medicine, and I'm, uh, taking something that-My natural doctor says absolutely is working and ... Anyway, but it's got iodine in it and I'm wondering if, I mean, I'm wondering if any of the ingredients, which are iodine, zinc, selenium, uh, all that kind of stuff, and it's in a liquid and it's not alco- it's not an alcoholic extract. I'm wondering if there's anything in there. I'm just ... My topic on my self, uh, ongoing is tweaking my phase one, tweaking my phase one.

[01:26:09] Speaker 19: Because I'm still getting, um-

[01:26:12] Speaker 5: Well, what you read to me so far, I don't see any problems. Uh, you, if you want to continue reading the ingredients, we can take a look.

[01:26:19] Speaker 19: That's about it. It's, uh, zinc, selenium, ashwa- uh, the, the last ingredient, thank God, is ashwagandha because I'm so sensitive to stuff-

[01:26:27] Speaker 5: Ashwagandha is not on the diet unfortunately.

[01:26:31] Speaker 19: Oh, okay. All right.

[01:26:33] Speaker 5: All right. Thank you.

[01:26:33] Speaker 19: There's probably two per- 2% in that. I'm not done. I want to know, one time you said that we can have, um, bromelain, but is bromelain in, uh, in terms of, uh, another digestive aid, because I take a full en- a full enzyme to help with the digestion, is bromelain on phase one?

[01:26:51] Speaker 5: Of course it is. An- any digestive enzyme should be on phase one.

[01:26:54] Speaker 19: Okay. Even though it's, even though it's sweet and it's, like, uh, from pineapple?

[01:27:01] Speaker 5: Well, I don't know. You'd have to test it. I didn't know that it was sweet or like pineapple, but I don't know if that would make a difference.

[01:27:07] Speaker 19: But it is, it basically is pineapple, as far as I know. I worked in health food. I'm not you, but I've worked in health food stores and I'm obsessed with that. I'm obsessed with the natural stuff.

[01:27:17] Speaker 5: Okay. Well, then your, your challenge is to test it and let us know.

[01:27:21] Speaker 19: Well, I don't know because I am taking, because I am-

[01:27:23] Speaker 21: Uh, uh, I don't think they put the sugar in the bro- in the bromelain. They take that out.

[01:27:27] Speaker 19: Oh, okay. Excellent. Excellent. Okay. Well, I just don't know what to do for my thyroid now because this won't, I'll just find one that doesn't have the ... I don't like the ashwagandha, um, at all, but, uh, this one that my natural doctor says is working 100% for me, you ... I'm glad you told me, thank you very much that the ashwagandha's not, yeah, I can't use that.

[01:27:47] Speaker 5: Okay.

[01:27:48] Speaker 19: Okay. That's all I have for now.

[01:27:50] Speaker 5: Thank you.

[01:27:50] Speaker 19: Like the comedians say, "I got nothing." Thank you.

[01:27:53] Speaker 5: All righty. Someone else. Star six.

[01:27:56] Speaker 21: Yeah. Uh, I have a question for Robin. Where does she put the Cedar Side PCO in her, um, um, in the compartments in her, um, washer?

[01:28:08] Speaker 1: In the part where you would put, like, a rinse thing. You know, the, uh-

[01:28:13] Speaker 21: Oh, with like, where the softener is?

[01:28:15] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[01:28:15] Speaker 21: Where you usually put the softener?

[01:28:17] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. Yes.

[01:28:18] Speaker 21: Okay. And how much do you put? Do you put it to the level?

[01:28:23] Speaker 1: I do. Yes.

[01:28:24] Speaker 21: Okay. Thank you.

[01:28:26] Speaker 1: You're welcome.

[01:28:27] Speaker 21: And I've been using the Primo. The Primo, I've been using that for years. It works really well.

[01:28:33] Speaker 1: Yeah. I love that stuff.

[01:28:35] Speaker 21: Yeah. And, and if, if you can, it's a little pricey, so (laughs) get on the subscribe.

[01:28:42] Speaker 1: Right. If you subscribe, they send you-

[01:28:44] Speaker 21: Yeah.

[01:28:44] Speaker 1: ... um, coupons and specials and different products.

[01:28:48] Speaker 19: Primo what?

[01:28:49] Speaker 1: Primo laundry.

[01:28:51] Speaker 21: Primo. Is that the one?

[01:28:52] Speaker 1: It's a, it's, um, it's a laundry-

[01:28:55] Speaker 19: Is that the one?

[01:28:56] Speaker 21: ... additive.

[01:28:56] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[01:28:56] Speaker 19: Ah, okay.

[01:28:57] Speaker 1: And it fills-

[01:28:57] Speaker 19: Uh, if it's from Primo Guard, I wasted thousands of dollars with that company spraying the first apartment I was in four apartments ago. I'm, I'm not down with anything Primo. Myself, I have a bias against Primo since I wasted thousands of dollars.

[01:29:12] Speaker 1: I know, I think so.

[01:29:12] Speaker 19: Before I found Clean Green and wasted more thousands of dollars, before I found Richard and didn't waste anything. Thank you.

[01:29:18] Speaker 1: Right, but I think that's a different-

[01:29:18] Speaker 19: Just had to say that.

[01:29:19] Speaker 1: Hello? I think it's a different company. Just saying.

[01:29:24] Speaker 19: Oh, good. There's so many Primos.

[01:29:26] Speaker 21: Okay.

[01:29:26] Speaker 19: Thank you.

[01:29:27] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[01:29:27] Speaker 5: All right. This is the part of the program where we invite new people-

[01:29:33] Speaker 1: We have-

[01:29:33] Speaker 5: ... Facebook people who have stumbled upon one of the comments and joined in and probably think we're in outer space with what we're saying, but notice, we get results. People in this program are getting better. Nobody is crying and complaining that nothing is working.

[01:29:54] Speaker 1: Right.

[01:29:54] Speaker 5: People get better. So, your turn to share your story. Tell us about it. We are here not to judge. We're here to welcome you as all the people who have joined this program for the la- for the last 20 some years have been welcomed and have improved. Anyone. New, newbies we call it. The newbie crowd. Hello. Speak up.

[01:30:22] Speaker 24: Hi, there. I'm not-

[01:30:23] Speaker 5: Anyone.

[01:30:24] Speaker 24: I'm not a newbie, but I could use some help on the protocol for furniture. Um, I think I need to get new couches because no matter how much ammonia and anything I spray on it, they still itch and no matter what I cover it with.

[01:30:38] Speaker 5: What kind of couch- what kind of fabric?

[01:30:40] Speaker 24: Well, they're fake leather, but I wanna get rid of them anyways. Um, I thought they would be easy to clean, you know, just wipe, but it seems like they get into it. They're in it, you know? The, whatever's biting.

[01:30:51] Speaker 5: They get in the tufts in between and, you know, sometimes ... Are you, have you used the electrostatic sprayer?

[01:30:58] Speaker 24: No, I haven't, but I'm, I'm on a new phase where I need to, you know, just get rid of stuff that, you know, and I'm getting through the phase of that and I just needed-

[01:31:06] Speaker 5: Okay. You answered, you answered your question. (laughs) All right.

[01:31:10] Speaker 24: Yeah. Um, I just want to know what, what should I do when I get the new furniture? Do you put ... What do you put on it to cover it, um, like plastic covers or ... I just need help so it doesn't get ruined again or ...

[01:31:23] Speaker 5: Well, uh, it depends on where you are. Is the diet working for you? Have you gotten, uh ... I mean, bottom line is if the diet, if the diet is not working, you're a walking, talking parasite breeding machine, shedding them everywhere you go and contaminating your couch. If the diet is working, you're no longer, uh, contaminating areas around you and, uh, you should-... you know, with a, a basic maintenance program, be able to, uh, have any kind of furniture you want.

[01:31:56] Speaker 24: Um, well, it's the cy- you know, we're recycling. Our environment is probably our biggest problem. I, I, I do the diet and I've been doing it for a long time, and I think it's working and definitely decreased my biting. But I have a son, and there's a, a matter of mites and, um-

[01:32:11] Speaker 5: (laughs)

[01:32:11] Speaker 24: ... getting brought back into the house. And Nittempram is what I'm gonna get next to help with that. Um, but I just... This couch has been infected before I even knew about you. So, I, uh, I think it's beyond help, you know, but, um, I... You guys don't use plastic covers or anything that can just, you know-

[01:32:32] Speaker 5: I do.

[01:32:32] Speaker 24: ... so it doesn't get in the fabric or something?

[01:32:34] Speaker 5: I do. I-

[01:32:35] Speaker 24: Now, does it zip close or h-... Where would you get something like that?

[01:32:39] Speaker 5: What? Where would you get something like what?

[01:32:42] Speaker 24: Plastic covers.

[01:32:44] Speaker 5: Well, if-

[01:32:44] Speaker 24: Yeah. Well, I mean, they're... Eh, uh, y-... If you want to cover complete pieces of furniture like couches or chairs, they sell those, um, online. You can look for them. I've even seen them at Walmart. But I use zippered vinyl covers for mattresses, pillows, blankets, um, and I may never take them out. (laughs) You know, I've ordered all this stuff. I did get that far. I just haven't, you know, used all that stuff for the mattresses. I just... The couch just gets us. And my... I watch my son. It just bites his butt, no matter if I put plastic or whatever, um, so that's all de-...

[01:33:24] Speaker 24: I mean if we had

[01:33:24] Speaker 5: Well, they sell big, heavy plastic to cover furniture in for, like, when you're moving and stuff.

[01:33:31] Speaker 24: Do you... Okay. So, like, the tarp kind, would you say?

[01:33:35] Speaker 5: What?

[01:33:35] Speaker 24: It's that thick. Is it like a tarp? Would you say it's, like, really thick like that?

[01:33:40] Speaker 5: Um- No, I don't think it's as thick as a tarp, no

[01:33:46] Speaker 24: Okay. But that should work, and then kind of cover my couch and then... But that's such a pain to get it to stay, so, um-

[01:33:54] Speaker 5: Yeah, you could do that.

[01:33:56] Speaker 24: ... I've been through the wringer. Um, yeah, I will look up that furniture stuff. I mean, don't you guys have problems where it... 'Cause it gets into the furniture, I imagine. Like, you know, if your office chair and stuff like that. I just struggle, you know.

[01:34:11] Speaker 5: Well, I mean, my, um- Go ahead, Richard U- uh, y- yeah. Y- you need to constantly be disinfecting. Ideally with the ammonia should be sufficient. But, uh, when you're talking about couches, you're talking about a lot of tufted area, areas where, uh, crevices and things like that. Uh, I had a big problem with my couch, as I shared many times, for, like, three or four months, and then I found out that they were in the end of the, uh, footrest. Not on the foot rest or under the foot rest, but in the ends that the tufts of the, uh, fabric gets. So, those are the places where they may, um, be hiding. Um, and that's the benefit of the electrostatic sprayer, is that, uh, if you spray the area, uh, the, uh, s- from the electrostatic aspect of it, it's gonna get in there.

[01:35:03] Speaker 5: And, uh, whereas if you're just using a bottle of ammonia or something spraying it, it's not gonna get there unless you aim it right at it

[01:35:12] Speaker 24: Okay. Yeah. I, I spray ammonia like it's going out of business everywhere, but, um, okay. That's good insight, so the electrostatic sprayer will help. But I'm gonna look into those plastic covers on Amazon or something, because, yeah, it's kind of a battle. But I, I have a quick question. We stayed at, um, a hotel last weekend and we woke up with, um, what looked just like bed bug bites and, you know, itched and went through the whole... I don't know if anyone has been bit by bed bugs, but you itch really intense, like, the next day or two. And, um, and so all that happened. And the hotel, you know, of course, is giving me pushback and all that jazz. But neither here nor there, I'm gonna have to figure that out on my own. But they said, you know, they inspected it, nothing. But are we more susceptible to getting those? Because it's happened in a couple hotels now, where it's like, I don't remember ever have that happening to me in my life so much.

[01:36:12] Speaker 18: I have a comment about that. Don't ever sit on the top cover of those beds and take a blacklight with you.

[01:36:19] Speaker 24: Oh, yeah.

[01:36:19] Speaker 18: Take a blacklight with you. And you could... A lot of times, you could see a lot of stuff that's, uh, that you won't normally see, except under a good, uh, ultraviolet light.

[01:36:31] Speaker 24: Okay.

[01:36:31] Speaker 18: Yeah.

[01:36:32] Speaker 5: Yeah. Hotels are one of the places that, um, many people, uh, get infected, uh, with these organisms. And oftentimes, many people are driven out of their homes because they're going crazy with the infestation in their home and they go to a motel, and what do they do? They just take the organisms to the hotel to affect, infect somebody else. And they-

[01:36:56] Speaker 18: And they could bring them back on their luggage.

[01:36:59] Speaker 24: Right.

[01:36:59] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[01:36:59] Speaker 18: If you put the luggage-

[01:37:00] Speaker 5: So-

[01:37:00] Speaker 18: ... your, your suitcase on the bed, you could bring a whole bunch back with you.

[01:37:04] Speaker 5: ... the, the best thing to have is to have o- our creams or lotions or just spray on the, uh, diluted, uh, Nature's Gift as soon as you get any bites and be very, uh, ac- active with it. You just don't spray it on once. You spray it on every 15 minutes, and then every 20 minutes, and then every half hour, and then you're done. You're... It's gone.

[01:37:28] Speaker 24: What was that, that I spray? I'm sorry, yeah.

[01:37:30] Speaker 5: The Nature's Gift, diluted Nature's Gift.

[01:37:32] Speaker 24: Oh, okay.

[01:37:33] Speaker 5: Or apply creams, or apply any of our creams or lotions to, to the, uh, to the bites and, and, uh, they disappear. Uh, we use it as an insect cleanse. It can be used, uh, if, if you (laughs) , if you go to a beach in Florida and you sit on a, uh-... anthill of red ants, man, that's bad. A- and, uh, this, this will take care of it within, uh, within 20 or 30 minutes, as opposed to, uh, uh, the inflammation and the pain lasting days, uh, from things l- like red ants.

[01:38:09] Speaker 25: Okay.

[01:38:09] Speaker 5: Okay, anyone else? Yes?

[01:38:11] Speaker 25: Yeah. Another, an- another source of, um, the bugs come from their, um, their, their drawers. You know, when you take your clothes out of your luggage and put them in the drawers, um, then you put your clothes back into your luggage, then you bring it home-

[01:38:27] Speaker 5: Right.

[01:38:28] Speaker 25: ... with you.

[01:38:28] Speaker 24: Right.

[01:38:28] Speaker 5: Absolutely. You have to be careful in hotels and motels.

[01:38:31] Speaker 25: Yeah.

[01:38:33] Speaker 5: It, it's best to-

[01:38:34] Speaker 24: What if-

[01:38:34] Speaker 5: ... uh, walk in with your own electrostatic sprayer and spray the whole place and open up the drawers and spray them and everything. (laughs) That, that would be ideal. Or at least, uh, spray ammonia. Uh-

[01:38:47] Speaker 24: Oh.

[01:38:48] Speaker 5: Okay, or-

[01:38:49] Speaker 24: What do you do-

[01:38:50] Speaker 5: Yes?

[01:38:50] Speaker 24: What do you do after... I'm so sorry. What do you do after, say, like, I thought, "We got infested." Obviously, we got these bites. It was... they're nice. They look just like bed bugs. But w- I didn't bring my stuff back into the house. I'm so afraid to bring that into my house. What do you suggest I do with the items (laughs) that were in there? I mean, I kept everything on the counters. I don't touch anything, you, you know-

[01:39:13] Speaker 5: Well, I think-

[01:39:14] Speaker 24: I put-

[01:39:14] Speaker 5: ... Robin would tell you to put them all in a big Ziploc bag and then put them in the laundry, right?

[01:39:19] Speaker 24: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I'm just nervous that, you know... Okay.

[01:39:24] Speaker 5: And you might, you might put in some menthol crystals before you put them in the laundry. You take trans... Put s- put-

[01:39:29] Speaker 24: Oh.

[01:39:29] Speaker 5: ... the menthol crystals in a bag and then put the, uh, put the infected stuff in there and then launder it.

[01:39:35] Speaker 24: Okay.

[01:39:35] Speaker 5: But not... Don't launder the menthol crystals.

[01:39:38] Speaker 24: Yeah.

[01:39:41] Speaker 5: Okay.

[01:39:41] Speaker 24: Why I've done that before. (laughs) Why not to do that?

[01:39:44] Speaker 25: And you can buy a flea and bug bag spray and spray your luggage with it, you know.

[01:39:51] Speaker 24: Sure.

[01:39:51] Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, you wouldn't want to launder the menthol crystals. You, you know, you don't-

[01:39:55] Speaker 25: No, you gotta take-

[01:39:56] Speaker 5: ... wanna put them in the water.

[01:39:56] Speaker 25: ... the menthol crystals out of it before you launder. It-

[01:39:58] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[01:39:59] Speaker 25: ... doesn't. Okay.

[01:40:02] Speaker 24: Thank you.

[01:40:02] Speaker 5: Okay. Anyone else? Star, six. A lot of interesting topics today. The only mess up is my sound system.

[01:40:09] Speaker 25: Yeah.

[01:40:09] Speaker 5: Okay. Anyone else? That's it? We're all done?

[01:40:18] Speaker 25: Well, it's 10 of 6.00.

[01:40:20] Speaker 24: Yeah.

[01:40:20] Speaker 5: Oh, yeah. Okay. Looks like we're done. All right. I, I think, uh, l- why don't we do a Happy Trails song, and we'll do a stress, we'll do a stress management maybe next week, and, oh, let me give out the, the numbers of the, uh... We're still recording, I believe. So, uh, do the Happy Trails song, and I'll give out the phone numbers of the coaches.

[01:40:43] Speaker 25: Okay. << Happy trails to you. Until we meet again. Happy trails to you. Keep smiling until then. Happy trails to you. Until we meet again. >>

[01:41:12] Speaker 5: (clapping) Yay. That concludes this portion of the program.