[00:00] Speaker 1: Hey. Welcome everybody, I'm Brother Goodwin. This is Prophecy in the Spotlight, and in today's program, we're gonna, uh, we're gonna answer some questions. We're gonna, we're gonna give you some timelines from the rapture on through. We're gonna explain a few things, um, uh... The ladies that answer the phones, uh, at, uh, the office, the 800... the 8, 8, the 800 number, um, we got word that there's been a lot of questions lately about timing of some things, timing of the rapture, and timing of, uh, you know, the two witnesses, and different things like that. So we thought we'd do a show today, just kind of off the cuff, we haven't really prepped for this. And, um, but, um, but I, uh, I feel certain that we can, we can get this, get it right for you. Um, these are things that we dwell with all of... we dwell on a, a lot. Um, and I'm gonna be, uh... Some of the things I'm gonna share are in the book, The Prophecy Puzzle, that you see right here.

[00:57] Speaker 1: Um, my Shadows of the, uh, Shadows of His Coming is in here, where I look at the first coming of Christ and I find a shadow of the second coming of Christ. That's in here. The thing about the harvest being a, a, a, symbolic of the, of the three phases of, of, uh, the resurrection, that's important, that's in here. Uh, Doc's got a couple books on the rapture that you'll see up on the screen, uh, as we go in a little bit. Uh, these are all good materials for you to get, uh, try to get you to read. Now, a lot of people don't read anymore, and, uh, what most people get, they consume on YouTube videos and things, and, and, and that's fine, but you really need to read. Reading's important, and, uh, getting some of these materials, and, and don't just put them on your shelf. Read them. Uh, get a pen, get a highlighter and highlight stuff. Um, okay? All right. So Doc is in the studio.

[01:55] Speaker 1: We're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna show you some things about the rapture, we're gonna help you with some things, okay? We'll be back in 30 seconds. (instrumental music plays) Welcome to the show. Uh, looking forward to this. This is gonna be one of those off the cuff shows. Uh, I'm not sure, Doc, but a lot of our shows are-

[02:37] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[02:37] Speaker 1: ... a lot of off the cuff stuff.

[02:38] Speaker 2: Well, most of mine is, I can tell you that.

[02:39] Speaker 1: We usually have a topic and-

[02:41] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[02:41] Speaker 1: ... and, and a few things, but-

[02:42] Speaker 2: Once in a while, we've done a little, uh, more p- preparation ahead of-

[02:46] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[02:47] Speaker 2: ... because we feel like we wanna make sure-

[02:48] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[02:49] Speaker 2: ... we're doing a good job.

[02:50] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[02:50] Speaker 2: But, but this is a subject that has been a part of, been a part of our ministry and life, uh, from the beginning.

[02:58] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[02:59] Speaker 2: Or at least certainly for mine.

[03:00] Speaker 1: Yep.

[03:01] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[03:01] Speaker 1: And so, uh, there's been, uh, I guess some phone calls, uh, people have had some questions about some of the shows, just maybe not quite understanding a few things, and, uh, now if you're not, if you're not a pre-trib person and you're adamant about it, we probably can't help you. And, and that's fine. I'm not mad at you, um, but if you're mid-trib, post-trib, and you've studied and you, you're convin- and you're trying to convince us, um, we're probably at a, at a standfast. We're, we're not gonna, we're not gonna fit. We're not gonna get along.

[03:33] Speaker 2: Well, we're, we're not gonna change. I can tell you that.

[03:35] Speaker 1: No. No.

[03:36] Speaker 2: No.

[03:36] Speaker 1: Um, this, this isn't something we came up with last week.

[03:39] Speaker 2: No.

[03:39] Speaker 1: We have studied this for decades.

[03:42] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[03:42] Speaker 1: And, uh-

[03:43] Speaker 2: Well, the problem is with it, Dan, is, are you going to let the Bible be its own dictionary and its own commentary? Are you gonna make sure that your interpretation does not have contradictions from verse to verse? Or are you going to let there, your interpretation be sound in that all scripture is in agreement and nothing is contrary to it? Because if you get outside of the pre-tribulation rapture, you are taking scriptures either out of context or scriptures that do not agree with other scriptures, and that is not sound-

[04:23] Speaker 1: Yep.

[04:23] Speaker 2: ... Bible interpretation.

[04:24] Speaker 1: Yep. So I guess we could call the show From the Rapture to the New Jerusalem.

[04:30] Speaker 2: Yeah. (laughs)

[04:31] Speaker 1: That, that covers everything, right?

[04:32] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[04:33] Speaker 1: Everything that, that was been revealed to us, anyway.

[04:35] Speaker 2: New- 'Cause the new Jerusalem is the beginning of the millennium reign.

[04:38] Speaker 1: Yeah. The new heaven and new, uh, all right, the new heaven and new earth is, is after that.

[04:41] Speaker 2: Yeah, new heaven and new earth.

[04:43] Speaker 1: Yeah. That, that's after the kingdom.

[04:44] Speaker 2: And then the new Jerusalem will be suspended above, but-

[04:46] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[04:47] Speaker 2: ... we'll be there.

[04:48] Speaker 1: Yeah. So let's start with the rapture, and let me just start with, uh, something in The Prophecy Puzzle book here, um, that I have called a sh- The Shadow of His Coming. Let me see, what did I call-

[05:00] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[05:00] Speaker 1: ... that in here in my table of content? Shadows from the First Coming of Christ. And, uh, I'm not gonna read anything in the book. Uh, I would encourage you to get it. It's probably the most important book that I've written is, is this Prophecy Puzzle book. Uh, it really takes all the different pieces of the puzzle and puts them really easy to figure out, and, uh, um... Well, I won't go into all the details of that again, but let me say this about the, about the shadow that I see in the first coming. This is what I have called one of the greatest truths I've ever found to prove the pre-trib rapture. And there are many, but this is one that, that I've never heard anybody bring out before. This is something that God gave me, and it's this. When Jesus came the first time, He came in two stages. He came as a little baby secretly. Almost nobody knew about it. Of course, Mary and Joseph know. They were there, right? (laughs) They were, uh, the, they were, they were, uh, in real time, okay?

[05:58] Speaker 1: You've got, um, uh, Zechariah and Elizabeth, they were related, and, uh, there's, there's, there's... They knew. They knew something.You've got the shepherds on, in the field that are gonna be told by, uh, some angels, "Hey, uh, you know, He's come and, uh, you'll find the babe wrapped in swaddling cloth." They actually, we believe, go and see Him, and, uh, I don't know if we can prove that or not, but, uh, we'll ask Doc in a minute. Um, anyway, um, the, the Wise Men come later. They're a year and a half later or so, so they're not part of this, um, but it's a secret. Uh, Simeon's gonna f- find out eight days later.

[06:34] Speaker 1: Anna, th- you know, the, uh, the prophetess, Anna, uh, they were told by God that they'd see Him before, before they die, and they're old, and they see Him when He comes to be circumcised, and, uh, other than that, uh, I'm sure there's some, some folks that, that see Him and know that the Bible doesn't talk about, but-

[06:53] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[06:53] Speaker 1: ... almost nobody.

[06:54] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[06:55] Speaker 1: And, uh, so that's, that's the first stage of His first coming.

[06:58] Speaker 2: Okay.

[06:58] Speaker 1: The second stage of His first coming is, is very important. It's Palm Sunday. It's when He comes down the hill on the donkey.

[07:05] Speaker 2: Correct.

[07:06] Speaker 1: They lay, i- it's a fulfillment of Zechariah 9 and Daniel 9, and, uh, and, and it's the timeline of Christ, the Messiah-

[07:14] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[07:14] Speaker 1: ... making Himself known, who He is.

[07:16] Speaker 2: Exactly.

[07:16] Speaker 1: And He does that, and by the way, Palm Sunday happens to be the 10th of Nisan that year.

[07:21] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[07:22] Speaker 1: And, uh, and He rides down the hill on the day that you would be picking a lamb from your flock.

[07:26] Speaker 2: The day you cut it out, just like-

[07:28] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[07:28] Speaker 2: ... Daniel 9 said He'd be cut off.

[07:30] Speaker 1: Yeah, and, uh, uh, and in fact, in the temple, in the courtyard, while He's riding down-

[07:35] Speaker 2: They're doing it.

[07:36] Speaker 1: ... the donkey-

[07:36] Speaker 2: That's exactly it.

[07:37] Speaker 1: ... very probably, the high priest is out there picking a lamb to be, to be killed, uh, um, and, uh, not realizing the Lamb just rode in on a donkey.

[07:46] Speaker 2: That's right.

[07:47] Speaker 1: At the end of His ministry, it's the end of His life. In four days, He'll be put on the cross-

[07:51] Speaker 2: So, He-

[07:52] Speaker 1: ... and killed.

[07:52] Speaker 2: So, you're saying that it's a shadow of, of very few, and then later, a full revelation.

[08:01] Speaker 1: Right. It's secret, and then it's public.

[08:03] Speaker 2: So, the second coming, you see the same pattern.

[08:07] Speaker 1: The rapture is secret. He comes as a thief in the night.

[08:09] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[08:09] Speaker 1: Thief to your neighbor.

[08:10] Speaker 2: Hmm.

[08:11] Speaker 1: You, you're snatched away.

[08:12] Speaker 2: Yeah, not to us, but it's a thief to the lost.

[08:14] Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's secret. Nobody knows about it. It j- oh, it just happens.

[08:17] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[08:17] Speaker 1: And, uh, and it'll be, course, it'll be talked away and people, they'll say-

[08:20] Speaker 2: People-

[08:20] Speaker 1: ... UFOs came and got Him, and-

[08:22] Speaker 2: So, the, but the full revelation is?

[08:25] Speaker 1: Christ comes on the white horse. Revelation, Revelation 19.

[08:28] Speaker 2: The end of the tribulation.

[08:29] Speaker 1: And every eye shall see Him. That's public.

[08:31] Speaker 2: So, you, what you're saying is there's a secret rapture or catching away.

[08:38] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[08:39] Speaker 2: Then there's the tribulation period, and then at the Battle of Armageddon, the second coming.

[08:45] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[08:46] Speaker 2: Oh. So, so that's-

[08:46] Speaker 1: And so the first coming in two phases.

[08:48] Speaker 2: ... a timeline, isn't it?

[08:49] Speaker 1: The first coming is in two phases, and it's a, and it's a shadow or a picture of-

[08:55] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[08:55] Speaker 1: ... exactly what's gonna happen 2,000 years later-

[08:57] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[08:57] Speaker 1: ... at His second coming.

[08:59] Speaker 2: Well, if, if, if the shadow is, is correct, and I'm convinced it is, then it can't be in the middle of the tribulation.

[09:08] Speaker 1: Nope.

[09:09] Speaker 2: Because, uh, that's not secret.

[09:12] Speaker 1: Nope.

[09:12] Speaker 2: That's something that's taking place. Chapter 12 and chapter 13 of the Book of Revelation is the middle of the tribulation.

[09:18] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[09:19] Speaker 2: Uh, a- and none of that is revealed there. It all has to do with the revealing, uh, of the Mark of the Beast system-

[09:27] Speaker 1: Yep.

[09:27] Speaker 2: ... a- and a final statement or that Antichrist is gone.

[09:31] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[09:31] Speaker 2: A- and it can't be at the end at His second coming, because the first coming wasn't together, and the second coming is not gonna be together.

[09:42] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[09:42] Speaker 2: The rapture. Uh, uh, I often say, i- if you believe in a post-wretch, uh, uh, post-tribulation rapture, then you're gonna meet yourself coming or going.

[09:51] Speaker 1: Yeah. He comes secretly as a little baby, and there's very few things. There's one instance when He's 12 years old that's recorded.

[09:58] Speaker 2: That's right.

[09:58] Speaker 1: Other than that, I'm not sure there's anything, and, uh, and, and then there's His public appearing, uh, at the age of 30, at the end of His life.

[10:08] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[10:08] Speaker 1: He rides down the hill on the donkey.

[10:09] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[10:09] Speaker 1: Now, there's, there's things during His ministry in the Bible, obviously.

[10:12] Speaker 2: Oh, yes.

[10:13] Speaker 1: But remember, He'd always, He'd always say, "Don't tell anyone about this miracle."

[10:16] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[10:16] Speaker 1: "Keep this quiet." And I always wondered about that. I didn't understand. Why, why wouldn't He want them to tell?

[10:21] Speaker 2: But there are-

[10:21] Speaker 1: Because it wasn't His time yet.

[10:23] Speaker 2: Right. But not only, uh, the shadow of the second coming revealed out of His first coming, there are so many other scriptures and types and pictures, uh, of, uh, of the, of the protection or the removal of the saints of God before God's wrath falls, because the wrath-

[10:46] Speaker 1: Noah's ark would be one.

[10:48] Speaker 2: ... the wrath of God... Yes.

[10:49] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[10:50] Speaker 2: The wrath of God is something that's poured out on the unbelievers.

[10:55] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[10:55] Speaker 2: And if you cannot see that the tribulation is the wrath of God... I know people say, "Oh, it, the wrath of God doesn't start till the middle of the tribulation." Well, how did you get to the, how did you get, how did you get through the trumpet judgments if you hadn't gone through the seal judgment? And every one of them is underneath the first seal.

[11:14] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[11:15] Speaker 2: Everything from the first seal in, in Revelation chapter six, verse one and two, is all the way through. So, the, the Bible is very clear that when you're born again, I mean, He's talking to Nicodemus in John chapter three concerning the, uh, uh, the wrath of God, and then in chapter five, He talks about we're no longer under the wrath of God. Why? Because we're taken out from underneath that because of the blood of Jesus Christ.

[11:41] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[11:42] Speaker 2: So, there's so many, not only shadows and types, like you're saying, but I believe there are a lot of types and pictures of God removing the redeemed.

[11:54] Speaker 1: Lot's a good example.

[11:56] Speaker 2: Lot's of great examples.

[11:56] Speaker 1: Remember the angel said, uh, "Make haste."

[11:59] Speaker 2: But wait a minute. Uh, do backsliders go in the rapture?

[12:03] Speaker 1: Yes, indeed. They sure do.

[12:04] Speaker 2: Oh, really?

[12:05] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[12:05] Speaker 2: Well, we've got a group out there today that seem to think that the only people going in the rapture are people who are looking for it.... are people who are righteous enough to go.

[12:17] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[12:17] Speaker 2: Well, Lot was taken out before God poured out the judgment.

[12:24] Speaker 1: Yep.

[12:25] Speaker 2: Now, the Bible tells us i- in the New Testament, uh, that, uh, he had a righteous soul.

[12:32] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[12:32] Speaker 2: Well, my Bible is very clear that there's only one individual that can dar- d- declare you righteous.

[12:38] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[12:38] Speaker 2: And that's God the Father.

[12:39] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[12:40] Speaker 2: And the only way He r- can declare you and I righteous is through the blood of Jesus Christ that's been applied to our account.

[12:47] Speaker 1: Peter said of Lot, he says, "He vexed his righteous soul with riotous living."

[12:52] Speaker 2: That's right.

[12:52] Speaker 1: He didn't live right.

[12:53] Speaker 2: So, so, i- if that's a pattern, and I'm convinced it is, then... U- uh, one of the reasons, Dan, that people don't believe that every born again Christian's going in the Rapture is because they don't believe that every born again Christian has an eternal life.

[13:11] Speaker 1: Hmm.

[13:12] Speaker 2: Now, they talk about it, but if they don't believe in eternal security, then they don't believe in the same eternal life-

[13:19] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[13:19] Speaker 2: ... that Bible s- my Bible says God gives to an-

[13:21] Speaker 1: (coughs)

[13:21] Speaker 2: ... individual when they receive Christ-

[13:24] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[13:24] Speaker 2: ... as their Savior.

[13:25] Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, I got eternal life, and John tells us that.

[13:27] Speaker 2: That's right.

[13:29] Speaker 1: Man, it's, you know, when you-

[13:29] Speaker 2: God doesn't give you any other kind.

[13:31] Speaker 1: So how do you, how do you lose something that He gave you for eternity?

[13:33] Speaker 2: Well, it's really not your eternal life. It's Christ's life that you're placed into.

[13:36] Speaker 1: Christ in you, the hope of glory.

[13:38] Speaker 2: That's right.

[13:39] Speaker 1: Yeah, and, uh, i- there's nothing in me that, that, that I've done that's-

[13:43] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[13:44] Speaker 1: ... that has a part in-

[13:44] Speaker 2: Right.

[13:45] Speaker 1: ... my salvation.

[13:45] Speaker 2: Uh, talking about the wrath of God in, in my book, and she can put it up there, it's called The, The Rapture Question: And Seven Reasons for the Rapture. Uh, I, I, I just thumbed through it a while ago, so I haven't looked at it in, in quite a while. But, uh, on page 60, it's talking about the reason number three. First half of the book, it has to do with having an understanding of the situation we're talking about here, the different ideas about the timing of the Rapture. Then, the major part of the book has to do with seven reasons why. Reason number three is to deliver us from the wrath to come.

[14:21] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[14:22] Speaker 2: And in this, I, I give you something... By the way, uh, uh, the Bible is clear in 2 Peter 2. He said, "The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptation and to rescue the unjust, uh, uh, reserve the unjust under the day of judgment and punishment." But, but in this, I give you different things, like the wrath of the Lamb of God, uh, the thief in the night and understanding, uh, a- and the, the great and terrible day of the Lord, uh, and then the day of the Lord, and the day of Christ, and the end time, or the end of time, because we hear people all the time use these words. The day of the Lord, what's it mean? Well, the day of the Lord encompasses everything from that secret you're talking about, the Rapture, or the catching away of the saints of God, from there all the way through the Millennial Reign is the day of the Lord.

[15:13] Speaker 2: So when you read that, you have to look at the context in which it is to get an idea and an understanding of which part of the day of the Lord that you're looking at.

[15:23] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm, yep.

[15:24] Speaker 2: That's part of proper Bible interpretation.

[15:28] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[15:28] Speaker 2: And too many either don't know how to properly interpret them. They need to get your book on, o- on, on studying the Bible.

[15:36] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[15:37] Speaker 2: Uh, the seven things that you-

[15:38] Speaker 1: Seven Laws of Bible Study.

[15:39] Speaker 2: I, I mean, it's... Uh, folks, I'm telling you, if, if you don't know how to properly study your Bible, then you're gonna get your own interpretations that's not backed up-

[15:51] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[15:51] Speaker 2: ... by all of scripture.

[15:52] Speaker 1: Now, another thing that people struggle with, Doc, and I talk about that in my pro- Prophecy Puzzle book, the, the harvest.

[15:59] Speaker 2: Yes.

[15:59] Speaker 1: The harvest is, in Bible days-

[16:01] Speaker 2: Exactly.

[16:01] Speaker 1: ... was in three phases. This is so important.

[16:03] Speaker 2: It's still in three phases, in essence, even though it's not necessarily in our farms today.

[16:09] Speaker 1: Right.

[16:09] Speaker 2: But it is still there.

[16:10] Speaker 1: Today, they take a John Deere track. They wipe it all off-

[16:12] Speaker 2: Yes.

[16:12] Speaker 1: ... with one swipe.

[16:13] Speaker 2: Yeah. Mm-hmm.

[16:14] Speaker 1: In Bible days, you, you had what was called the first fruits. Now, nobody in America does that, that I know of.

[16:18] Speaker 2: No.

[16:19] Speaker 1: Uh, in Israel, they may some, but, uh, probably not many. But first fruits was, was for, that was given to God.

[16:24] Speaker 2: Well, first fruits, uh, uh, let's stop right... First fruits i- is a principle that God honors, and still honors today.

[16:33] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[16:33] Speaker 2: And first fruits is just simply saying, "Whatever I'm going to receive out of this, eventually I will give a tithe on it once I know what it is. But in advance, I'm giving a first fruits to identify this is from God that I've-

[16:49] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[16:49] Speaker 2: ... got it."

[16:50] Speaker 1: So in Bible days, uh, they would have the first fruits. They would harvest just a little, the first part of the harvest-

[16:56] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[16:56] Speaker 1: ... would be given to God.

[16:57] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[16:57] Speaker 1: And that goes with what I talk about in my Barley Harvest book, and that's also in here.

[17:01] Speaker 2: Uh, I'm trying to figure out how we give the first tomato to the Lord.

[17:04] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[17:05] Speaker 2: I, I figured it out. I eat it at the table while I'm giving thanks.

[17:08] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[17:08] Speaker 2: But anyway, but yeah.

[17:10] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[17:10] Speaker 2: Right.

[17:11] Speaker 1: The barley was the first harvest of the season.

[17:13] Speaker 2: That's the exact-

[17:14] Speaker 1: And that, and-

[17:15] Speaker 2: It was the first crop to come in.

[17:16] Speaker 1: And on the Feast of First Fruits, after Passover-

[17:18] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[17:18] Speaker 1: ... was the waving of the first fruits of the barley harvest.

[17:22] Speaker 2: Yes.

[17:22] Speaker 1: So with al- without the barley being ripe, you cannot do that. That's why the barley harvest is the reset of their calendar.

[17:30] Speaker 2: It is. That's e-

[17:30] Speaker 1: About a-

[17:31] Speaker 2: ... every three years.

[17:31] Speaker 1: About every three years, the barley's gonna be off. They're gonna have to add a month to the calendar to b-

[17:36] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[17:36] Speaker 1: And that's how they kept up-

[17:37] Speaker 2: Because-

[17:38] Speaker 1: ... with the calendar.

[17:38] Speaker 2: Because the seasons are governed by the sun.

[17:41] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[17:41] Speaker 2: But growing cycles are governed by moon.

[17:44] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[17:44] Speaker 2: And they have a lunar calendar, and we have a solar calendar.

[17:47] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[17:47] Speaker 2: And so they get, they get a full month and a little over behind every three years. A- and what did the Lord say i- in, to, uh, Moses to the children of Israel? "You're gonna come into the land, but you do not come before me empty-handed."

[18:02] Speaker 1: Yeah. So first fruits came first. Then, a little later would be the main harvest.

[18:05] Speaker 2: Yes.

[18:05] Speaker 1: And th- and, uh, that was a big deal. That was your money crop.

[18:08] Speaker 2: That was-

[18:09] Speaker 1: You lived off that.

[18:09] Speaker 2: That was the majority-

[18:10] Speaker 1: You ate that.

[18:11] Speaker 2: ... of it.

[18:11] Speaker 1: But they were commanded to leave the corners of the fields-

[18:14] Speaker 2: Right.

[18:14] Speaker 1: ... and things like that. Uh-

[18:15] Speaker 2: For widows and strangers.

[18:16] Speaker 1: Yep, and, uh, and now, they didn't have to bag it up and take it to their house.

[18:20] Speaker 2: No.

[18:21] Speaker 1: They were, they, they needed to come and, and, and-

[18:24] Speaker 2: So God's welfare program-

[18:25] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[18:25] Speaker 2: ... required a little work.

[18:26] Speaker 1: That's right.

[18:27] Speaker 2: Ah.

[18:27] Speaker 1: Good system.

[18:28] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[18:28] Speaker 1: Uh, Hey, this is free, but you gotta come and get it.

[18:31] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[18:31] Speaker 1: You gotta work, labor, put it in bags, lug it home.

[18:33] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[18:34] Speaker 1: And, uh, today, you, you get a check in the mail.

[18:37] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[18:37] Speaker 1: And, uh, bad system.

[18:39] Speaker 2: Yes, it is.

[18:39] Speaker 1: Bad. All, it promotes laziness.

[18:41] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[18:41] Speaker 1: And, uh, uh, so-

[18:43] Speaker 2: So you have the, you have the first fruits, which was representative of it.

[18:48] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[18:49] Speaker 2: Well, my Bible says Jesus was the first fruits-

[18:52] Speaker 1: Yeah. Of the harvest. He... Jesus the first-

[18:54] Speaker 2: Of them that slept.

[18:54] Speaker 1: ...to rise from the dead.

[18:55] Speaker 2: That's right.

[18:55] Speaker 1: He is the first fruit.

[18:56] Speaker 2: That's why everybody in the Old Testament went to Abraham's bosom.

[19:00] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[19:01] Speaker 2: Because Jesus had to be the first-

[19:02] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[19:03] Speaker 2: ...fruits.

[19:04] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[19:04] Speaker 2: And then after that is gonna be the main harvest.

[19:07] Speaker 1: And that's the rapture.

[19:08] Speaker 2: That we would call the ra- the Bible-

[19:10] Speaker 1: By the way, it's a bodily resurrection is what it is.

[19:11] Speaker 2: And then people are gonna say, "Well, the word rapture's not in the Bible so it's not a good word."

[19:16] Speaker 1: Yeah. The word Bible's not in the Bible. (laughs)

[19:17] Speaker 2: The Bible's not in there. And many words that we have-

[19:19] Speaker 1: Trinity's not in there.

[19:20] Speaker 2: Yes. And we pre- but the word... I- i- if you were reading-

[19:25] Speaker 1: Caught up is in there.

[19:26] Speaker 2: If you were reading in Latin, you'd find the word, uh, uh, rapture-

[19:30] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[19:30] Speaker 2: ...in there.

[19:31] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[19:31] Speaker 2: But it means to be caught away, to... the catching away.

[19:34] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[19:34] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[19:34] Speaker 1: And so, the first fruit, Christ is the first-

[19:37] Speaker 2: Yes.

[19:37] Speaker 1: ...to rise from the dead, bodily.

[19:38] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[19:39] Speaker 1: Because it's all about the body, the, the bodily resurrection. And, uh, this har- harvest is, is a picture of this. First fruits, then the main harvest is the rapture.

[19:47] Speaker 2: Yes.

[19:48] Speaker 1: But then there's something called the gleaning.

[19:50] Speaker 2: That's right.

[19:50] Speaker 1: At the end.

[19:51] Speaker 2: At the end.

[19:51] Speaker 1: So, I think that's the... what Matthew 24 is talking about when it mentions the, uh, the two men in the field, one is taken-

[19:58] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[19:58] Speaker 1: ...the other's left. Well, in the context there, that's, that's during the tribulation.

[20:02] Speaker 2: That's in the trib-

[20:03] Speaker 1: That doesn't fit. That's gotta be the gleaning.

[20:04] Speaker 2: But a lot of people read Matthew 24 and say, "Well, that's the church age."

[20:08] Speaker 1: Here's, here's what people don't understand. During the tribulation, a lot of people are gonna die.

[20:13] Speaker 2: Yes.

[20:14] Speaker 1: And after the middle of the tribulation, when people get saved-

[20:16] Speaker 2: O- only a third of the people that's enter it actually survive-

[20:19] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[20:19] Speaker 2: ...all the way through it.

[20:20] Speaker 1: And in the middle of tribulation, the 144,000 are the first fruits. There's that word again.

[20:24] Speaker 2: That's right.

[20:25] Speaker 1: The fir- now I believe that means they're the first people saved. At the middle-

[20:28] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[20:28] Speaker 1: ...of tribulation. Now some people argue, no, it's just talking about the first fruits of the Jews. I don't think so. I, I don't see anybody getting saved in Revelation until those 144,000-

[20:38] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[20:38] Speaker 1: But that's, that's neither here or there.

[20:39] Speaker 2: That's for another study. But, that's-

[20:41] Speaker 1: They get... So, they get saved, they're gonna run for their lives. Matthew-

[20:44] Speaker 2: Yes.

[20:44] Speaker 1: By the way, that's Matthew 24.

[20:46] Speaker 2: Matthew 24.

[20:46] Speaker 1: The middle of tribula- the abomination takes place, the two witnesses-

[20:49] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[20:49] Speaker 1: ...have been killed. Uh, three and a half days-

[20:51] Speaker 2: That's the middle of the tribulation.

[20:52] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[20:52] Speaker 2: Yes.

[20:52] Speaker 1: Three and a half days later, Moses and Elijah get up and ascend back to heaven-

[20:56] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[20:56] Speaker 1: ...in the sight of the 144,000.

[20:58] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[20:58] Speaker 1: And they... That's when they give glory to God of heaven. I believe that's when they get saved.

[21:02] Speaker 2: That's right.

[21:03] Speaker 1: They run for their lives and Matthew says-

[21:05] Speaker 2: A- and-

[21:05] Speaker 1: "Woe unto her- him that's... Woe unto her who's with child in those days." You gotta run for your life.

[21:10] Speaker 2: And I think that's, that's where Daniel Chapter 11 talks about, uh, and Matthew Chapter 24. And then again, uh, in, in, in Revelation Chapter 13, at the middle of the tribulation-

[21:22] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[21:22] Speaker 2: ...what happens? The covenant is broken. And as a result, the remnant of Israel has to flee-

[21:30] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[21:30] Speaker 2: ...because the devil now is fully empowered becau- I mean, the antichrist is fully empowered because at the middle of tribulation period, at the end of a battle, the a- the, the old devil, and he's given four titles-

[21:44] Speaker 1: He loses his access to the third heaven.

[21:46] Speaker 2: He gives four titles, so you know what he's talking about.

[21:48] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[21:48] Speaker 2: He no longer has access to heaven. He's going to fully motivate the antichrist-

[21:54] Speaker 1: And that's when it says he-

[21:54] Speaker 2: ...to destroy the Jews.

[21:55] Speaker 1: He knoweth he hath but a short time.

[21:57] Speaker 2: And now he knows-

[21:58] Speaker 1: Now he knows-

[21:58] Speaker 2: Yes.

[21:58] Speaker 1: ...uh, this is the middle. I got three-

[21:59] Speaker 2: That's the middle.

[21:59] Speaker 1: ...and a half year, 1260 days.

[22:01] Speaker 2: So if the rapture is in the middle of the tribulation, you're getting it mixed up with the Jews-

[22:09] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[22:10] Speaker 2: ...are the ones that's in the middle of tribulation-

[22:13] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[22:13] Speaker 2: ...that's running, not the church.

[22:15] Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, this thing about the gleanings-

[22:17] Speaker 2: The church ain't there.

[22:17] Speaker 1: ...is important to understand because them 144,000 get saved-

[22:21] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[22:21] Speaker 1: ...they run for their lives, they witness to people-

[22:23] Speaker 2: Yeah. I think-

[22:23] Speaker 1: There'll be multitudes saved.

[22:25] Speaker 2: My, my thing is-

[22:26] Speaker 1: And many of them will be martyred.

[22:27] Speaker 2: I believe those 144,000 are, are gonna be the, the preachers of the last-

[22:32] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[22:33] Speaker 2: ...half of the tribulation period.

[22:34] Speaker 1: Yeah. It's like the Book of Acts, at the end of the-

[22:37] Speaker 2: I think so.

[22:37] Speaker 1: ...at the end of time.

[22:38] Speaker 2: Yes. Because people at that time have already come to the understanding, wait a minute, this has been a delusion we're living under here and there's an alternative here. Look at what's happening here and all of that. A- and there's gonna be preachers.

[22:51] Speaker 1: And the mark of the beast starts right there too.

[22:53] Speaker 2: That's right.

[22:54] Speaker 1: When the antichrist is in the temple.

[22:55] Speaker 2: That's when it fully is implem- I'm convinced that it'll probably be in operation-

[22:59] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[22:59] Speaker 2: ...but not enforced.

[23:01] Speaker 1: Just not enforced. Yeah. And, uh, and, and then-

[23:03] Speaker 2: We just dealt with that on-

[23:04] Speaker 1: ...he just became the-

[23:04] Speaker 2: ...artificial intelligence just earlier.

[23:06] Speaker 1: And he just became the Messiah.

[23:08] Speaker 2: That's right.

[23:08] Speaker 1: He's the... He's now-

[23:09] Speaker 2: He's made himself, claimed the name.

[23:10] Speaker 1: He's the, the abomination. That's what that is. He's now God.

[23:13] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[23:13] Speaker 1: And he's tied to that mark of the beast, and to get in that system, you gotta accept him.

[23:17] Speaker 2: That's why you-

[23:18] Speaker 1: Just like we accept Jesus as our savior-

[23:20] Speaker 2: That's right.

[23:20] Speaker 1: ...you gotta accept him as your savior on the earth.

[23:22] Speaker 2: That's why he's, that's why he's seen in Revelation Chapter Six as the white horse rider. Why? Because at the second coming, who's coming on a white horse? The Christ is coming.

[23:32] Speaker 1: Yeah. And here's the point about the thr- the, the gleanings. There are gonna be a lot of people martyred.

[23:37] Speaker 2: Absolutely.

[23:38] Speaker 1: So, what happens to their body? The bodies have already been resurrected.

[23:41] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yep.

[23:41] Speaker 1: You know, three and a half years ago.

[23:43] Speaker 2: That's right.

[23:43] Speaker 1: And so these guys are beginning to die and be martyred, burned at the stake, heads cut off, all that.

[23:47] Speaker 2: Yes.

[23:48] Speaker 1: What happens to their body when Christ comes on the white horse?

[23:50] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[23:50] Speaker 1: I believe there's a resurrection there.

[23:52] Speaker 2: There's a re- there has to be a resurrection there.

[23:53] Speaker 1: And I believe that's the gleanings in our, in our scenario of the, of the harvest.

[23:57] Speaker 2: I think you're right.

[23:58] Speaker 1: First fruits.

[23:58] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[23:59] Speaker 1: Main harvest, rapture, gleanings at the end. When Christ comes on the white horse-

[24:03] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[24:03] Speaker 1: ...I believe the dead in Christ on the earth at, at the end of the tribulation, all the bodies-

[24:09] Speaker 2: Right.

[24:09] Speaker 1: ...will join us. That's, that's-

[24:10] Speaker 2: That's right.

[24:11] Speaker 1: I can't prove that, but I'm pretty sure-

[24:12] Speaker 2: Well, I think-

[24:12] Speaker 1: ...that's what it is.

[24:12] Speaker 2: ...I think if we had time, and we don't, if we had time to look at Second Thessalonians, uh, Chapter Two, it's laid out there exactly the steps through which the tribulation's going. It begins with our catching away.

[24:28] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[24:28] Speaker 2: It's talking about the rapture right there at the first.

[24:30] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[24:31] Speaker 2: Then the revealing of the antichrist. Then the information of the middle of the tribulation. Then you're gonna find information of his demise at the end. Second Thessalonians Chapter Two is an outline of the tribulation, beginning at the rapture-Then the tribulation, which is the revealing of the antichrist. And, and another thing, i-if you believe in the second, uh, if you believe in the, uh, mid-tribulation rapture, then for three and a half years you've known who the antichrist was.

[25:04] Speaker 2: Well, the Bible is clear that we don't know-

[25:07] Speaker 1: That's right.

[25:07] Speaker 2: ... who the antichrist is.

[25:08] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[25:09] Speaker 2: And it won't be known to a believer.

[25:11] Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, she had another book up there.

[25:14] Speaker 2: Yes, uh-

[25:15] Speaker 1: Is there something that you want to tell them about?

[25:17] Speaker 2: Yeah, that book is... I, I, I put this book together years ago and my, I don't know how many thousand copies are out there now, but it's a case for the pre-tribulation rapture. And it is... I, I don't know how many scriptures are in there, but well over 100 verses showing you what, uh, the difference between the second coming and the rapture are. I, I, I mean, it's been of great help to a lot of people.

[25:47] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[25:47] Speaker 2: And I'd encourage folks to get that if they have a question about it. But, uh, it's obvious, um... A- and when I put this book together on the seven... I, I was going to answer seven questions, because I got a lot of questions at the book store. One of the questions is, we talked about it a while ago, uh, "Are back-slidden people going?"

[26:05] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[26:06] Speaker 2: Well, that's, that's the result of people not understanding eternal security.

[26:09] Speaker 1: And it also-

[26:10] Speaker 2: That's the bottom line.

[26:10] Speaker 1: And it's also important to realize, you know, we don't deserve heaven. Saved people don't deserve heaven.

[26:15] Speaker 2: (laughs) No.

[26:16] Speaker 1: We, we haven't done nothing and we haven't continued to do anything-

[26:19] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[26:19] Speaker 1: ... to deserve to go to heaven. And to look at someone who's back-slid and say, "Well, y- you're not right." Well, what makes you think you're right-

[26:25] Speaker 2: That's right.

[26:26] Speaker 1: ... in your heart? I mean-

[26:26] Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. When we got saved, God took our record as a lost sinner, He took our record and in Jesus on Calvary's cross, He became sin for us.

[26:42] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[26:43] Speaker 2: And so what happens when we get converted, when we receive Christ as our savior, we're born again, whatever terminology you want to use, God takes your record and it is placed on Jesus of Calvary's cross. And He takes the righteousness of Jesus and puts it for your account.

[27:01] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[27:01] Speaker 2: That's why the Bible calls it imputed righteousness.

[27:04] Speaker 1: Now, there is a... Here's one more proof here. Revelation 4:1 is the rapture.

[27:09] Speaker 2: Yes.

[27:09] Speaker 1: Revelation 1 is kind of an induction. Chapter two and three are the seven churches.

[27:13] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[27:13] Speaker 1: In fact, the entire 2,000 year church age-

[27:16] Speaker 2: It's in those, yes. ... is chapter two and chapter three Yeah

[27:17] Speaker 1: When you get to that last church, Laodiceans, and you end that, you, you get to come to chapter four after this. What's that? After what? After the church age.

[27:26] Speaker 2: Yes.

[27:27] Speaker 1: "Behold a door was opened in heaven-

[27:30] Speaker 2: That's right.

[27:30] Speaker 1: ... and the first voice which I heard was as it was as, as a trumpet saying, 'Come up hither.'" There's the rapture right there. The timing is, is undeniable.

[27:39] Speaker 2: You got the voice and you got the trumpet, just like Paul said in First Thessalonian chapter four.

[27:44] Speaker 1: And then you got the tribulation, the whole-

[27:46] Speaker 2: That's right.

[27:46] Speaker 1: ... seven seals, seven vi- all of it right there.

[27:48] Speaker 2: That's right.

[27:48] Speaker 1: After Revelation 4:1.

[27:50] Speaker 2: After it.

[27:50] Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it. All right, that was just a, a quick summary of some, some of the things that, uh, in the timeline there. And, uh, get those books if you don't have them, order them. And if you need any help with anything, contact us. And until next time, keep your eyes on them sky. (instrumental music plays)