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And here she is, Mary Jane Pops.
And here I am.
Thank you so much, Mike.
Hey, listen, we've got a good hour here for you.
A little bit later on, we're going to be talking about AI, artificial intelligence.
Where is it going and how is it going to affect us?
And I honestly don't think anybody for sure knows how far it's going to go,
what's going to be happening.
But we'll explore that with an expert in the field and I think they have some fascinating stuff about that.
But we also want to talk about our lives, our health.
Where are we going with that?
Because there are many questions that we have about, you know, what we need to do to keep healthy and happy and live longer and all the nine yards.
Well, let's find out.
And maybe we can do a little bit of shake up here too.
Hey, we're going to rock the boat with a special guest tonight.
I love the term live long and prosper, don't you?
You know, from Star Trek.
Well, if we have honest and well thought out information, I think we can accomplish that.
That's why we check in with Dr. Earl Mandel.
He's been trying to keep us healthy for decades.
It really began with the original, vitamin Bible, and some 59 health-oriented books
translated into 34 languages with the latest, the new vitamin Bible.
Dr. Mandel is a pharmacist, anti-aging advocate, and internationally recognized expert on nutrition, vitamins, minerals, herbal remedies, and a really caring advocate for our health.
Dr. Mandel, as always, it's a pleasure having you with us on Pop Talk.
Thank you very much, Jane.
It is wonderful to be on, and you're right.
We could do a lot to live longer.
In fact, I've got some healthy tips to use.
Right now, you can actually use them today so that you can live to be a hundred plus.
I love it.
I love it.
You know what?
Why are we such an unhealthy country?
We're unhealthy.
We're like the bottom of the list of health.
You're right.
You're right.
The fourth of sickness has very little unhealthy.
In fact, the last couple of years, our life expectancy actually dropped.
It went up a little bit, but if you're an average American, you're living to be about 78, which is pathetic considering that people in Singapore live to be 85 on the average.
So we're way down the list.
We've got to wake up the fact that our diet, our lifestyle, in general, is not very conducive to being healthy.
And hold on a second.
I know what you're talking about because we've got drugs out the zoo, the commercials on television, driving you nuts, and they don't even, sometimes you don't even know what the heck they're talking about.
What disease or condition?
And then go ask your doctor.
Well, tell me what I'm supposed to have first, right?
Right.
Well, I love those commercials because there's a few of them.
One tells you the name of the drug.
They don't tell you the side effect.
Yeah.
Including death, including death.
Well, what particular drug, you know, I'm a pharmacist, of course, the one particular drug that was taken on the market, put back on with the black box.
Warning.
And in the commercial at the end of it, three times it meant to death different ways.
Yes.
It's not helping us to take drugs because drugs, unfortunately, treat the symptoms of the problem.
They don't really get to the cause.
So here's something healthy tips to live to be a hundred plus.
And by the way, women have a much greater chance of living to be a hundred plus men.
What?
Well, because it wasn't live about seven years longer on the average.
A hundred year old man in the very unusual situation.
And we think that by the turn of this decade, this year, we're going to call it that 125 possibly even to 150 might be possible.
Wow.
That's amazing.
Okay.
You said you got, you got some tips on what we can do to live that long.
So let's go through some of those tips because I'm taking notes.
Okay.
Well, some people are not going to like this, but I have to tell you.
Don't eat fried fries.
They're also processed food.
Which is not easy because just about everything you see has been processed or out of buzz.
If you know, if you're in a supermarket, I love going to the supermarket.
They have things hanging up on by the checkout counter that have no expiration date.
I do.
Forever.
It's unbelievable.
How can they do that?
What do they do?
A bunch of chemicals.
Because it's not real.
It's not real food.
So the organisms won't survive that.
Organic foods is the way to go.
Okay.
People say it's still a little more expensive.
That's true.
But so what?
This way you're not getting any pesticides.
You're not getting any artificial anything.
So look for organic foods.
They're becoming much more available than they used to be.
Okay.
There's another one.
Eat meat as a condiment.
Otherwise, it shouldn't be as 32 ounces to speed up on steak.
It should be a very small amount.
And try to eat fatty fish.
Quite the way fish is mackerel, cod, alabas, fat, albacort, tuna, sardines, even anchovies.
They're all fatty fish.
That are very important because there are sources of omega-3.
And if you don't eat those fish, you can take it on omega-3 fatty acid supplements on a daily basis.
Okay.
Okay.
All right.
So after a plate, there's these veggies and fresh fruits.
And I know there's people that don't eat any veggies.
That's unbelievable.
So you've got to go into it slowly.
So it's got to be so flexible with your life.
You have to put some kind of a fresh cigar or whatever.
Now, I have to interrupt because I've got to ask you a question.
The veggies and fruit are very important.
But I was told that fruit you should have in the morning and then the rest of the day should be more vegetables because fruit has sugar and you really shouldn't have sugar at night.
Is that true?
Well, you know, I don't do you think there's that close to bedtime anyway, but in general, how close?
How close?
About two, three hours.
Oh, come on.
I got a snack on popcorn and a couple of things.
I mean, she...
Popcorn is interesting.
It's a good source of fiber, but the popcorn that we see is all GMO.
And if it's a store-bought, you're going to have artificial so-called butter flavor.
I love that one.
So if you get organic corn and pop, that's a good idea.
Okay.
Can I put butter on it?
Well, yeah.
Try this olive oil.
Try putting olive oil on your popcorn.
It doesn't taste as good as butter.
It's an acquired taste.
Like I just tell you this, one of the tips.
A huge drink, one teaspoon of olive oil a day will definitely live much longer.
And we know that the country's in a world that greek's in Italy.
The Zs start the morning off with the...
Believe it or not, they drink it.
You're olive oil.
No, but now the extra virgin or the regular?
Absolutely.
Extra virgin.
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It'llulse is Cosmetic,
water you drink as to process, eat or die,
find the before you.
So where am I going to find this clean water?
Because I've heard of even some of the bottled water
is not that clean.
Well, it's better.
It's better than the salt.
It's all I could tell you.
So do you use like a purifier or something on your roof?
You can.
Yes, you can.
You can get it.
But you want to make sure that it's a mineral plant.
Because if you don't drink water that completely purifies,
because then there's no minerals.
And the water actually leaks.
There's also minerals in their body.
And of course, don't smoke.
I mean, I want to tell you something.
People say, oh, people won't be able to say,
well, they won't say there's a habit that's not true.
You know, the only 11% of Americans
that don't smoke is unbelievable.
It used to be when I was a kid, everybody's smoke.
I mean, isn't that the most?
We're talking about maybe the 30 odd Americans
who are smoking.
If you stop smoking, well, if you're heavy smoker,
you're going to die 10 to 15 years before your son.
Really?
And the 50 years.
Yeah, but you hear some of these people
that drink and smoke, and they live to be 100.
That's right.
All one of them.
Oh, OK.
OK.
You might hear, yeah, probably that's 99 other people
that they die.
You can't hear about them because they're dead.
So if you smoke, you are in success with not only cancer,
but a heart disease, our blood, I mean, is frightened.
What about secondary smoke?
Well, absolutely not.
I think that we should, well, we are now pretty well.
Most of the place you can't go into a room or a hotel
without smoking.
Secondary smoke.
There's actually three degrees smoke too.
But anyway, don't smoke.
I'm not talking about just cigarettes.
I'm talking about everything.
Oh, OK.
All right.
OK.
All natural, multiple vitamin head mineral.
And they've shown that if you take a complete,
all natural, multiple vitamin mineral daily,
you will know that you live longer.
But you will have a lot less problem, including
benzoyl-cuity.
So it's very inexpensive to make a multiple vitamin
mineral.
But look for one that's all natural.
Yeah, but how do I know if it's all natural?
It tells you.
Oh, yeah, but they put a lot of things on labels.
No, no, no.
If it is not on the label, and they say it's all natural,
it better be or else they could be sued.
I think I told you this the last time, Dr. Mendel.
I take so many vitamins, I rattle when I walk.
So it's like how much, I mean, how much is my taken too much?
Let me ask you.
Let's say this, thank you.
I think about 40 or 50 different supplements today.
OK.
That's a fine book.
The doctor of those vitamin 5 was all about.
It tells you what your needs for your individual situation.
But in general, most people are not getting enough nutrients.
And the next one I'm talking about
is definitely the most important one
you could take on a daily basis.
And that's vitamin D to read.
The natural form of vitamin D is the best
absorbed and it's amazing every day
to find out this is about vitamin D, which, by the way,
is a hormone.
It's not even a vitamin.
OK.
Now vitamin D, there's been such controversy.
I mean, when the pandemic hit, they were saying,
yeah, take more vitamin D, it'll help.
It's a sunshine vitamin.
I know.
And we can go out in the sun and get some of it, but not enough.
But the thing is, is there a limit?
Can you take too much?
Is it dangerous?
You could think, no, nothing available
without a prescription of dangerous.
Only a physician can prescribe dangerous, deadly,
or toxic substances.
That's what they're on prescription.
But you know, whatever it says on the label is fine.
I'm telling you, if we could get everybody to take 5,000,
I'd use about 1.5 micrograms.
Oh, so vitamin D free a day.
Oh, yeah.
I think we could close half the hospital.
No kidding.
Now, yeah, but some people take if they take too much,
is there there is no too much of vitamin D?
Yeah, there is too much.
But it has to take, I think, about 500,000 units a day.
Would you have to do anything else?
Yeah, that's true.
OK.
You've got to be realistic.
OK.
I mean, 125 micrograms for adults is a great idea.
But the thing is, it takes about a year, unbelievable.
It's a year to build up that mountain, your bloodstream.
So we don't just take more when you're out.
It's everyday and gets better and better.
The difference between vitamins and drugs
is drugs over a long period of time
have more equipment to have side effects
of the custody system.
Well, vitamin is exactly opposite.
They get better as you get more as you take them
for a longer period of time.
OK.
A side benefit is not a side effect.
OK.
OK.
Here's something you have not heard of.
M, F, M, it's a methosolcere, no thing.
There's varitrol, some red grapes, a grapevine.
M, A, C. This is a precursor in the body to build up
elk root of phyos.
I know these are wild words, but let me tell you something.
Elk root of phyos is so important.
The body produces this.
But, of course, as we get older, less than less.
So NAC helps the body produce more of this wonderful,
very powerful antioxidant NAC.
And there's one called NAC, which also has,
as I said, H.
Now, the herb device called curcumin.
Turcumin.
OK.
That's turmeric, right?
That's right.
Turmeric, that's curcumin.
It's well used, and it's like India,
etc.
Has wonderful effect.
Wonderful effect.
Has been inflammatory, anti-octative.
You were not dying of old age.
Very important, I understand.
We're not dying of old age, we're
dying of all the diseases that are caused by improper diet,
stress, smoke, drinking, whatever it is.
So, curcumin is a good idea to take.
Now, here's a mineral that's starting to become bigger and bigger
called magnesium.
Yes, magnesium.
And I recommend it very highly.
In fact, if you have a heart attack,
you come to the emergency room with health,
whatever the hospital, they're going
to give you an addiction of magnesium,
because there's such a lack of it in the diet.
It helps you.
Wonderful to take at this time.
Now, sleep is a relaxing, amazing mineral,
and that's good, because it's a good daily.
And once again, if you don't eat this fatty fish,
such as my car's mackerel, halibut, albacurc,
dudin, sardines, etc., then take an omega-free fatty acid
supplement.
I take 1,000 o'clock, 1 gram capsule,
and it takes three a day.
Oh, OK.
All right.
Any more other tips?
I mean, these are all good.
I can't.
I can't.
But otherwise, if you get too many things,
we'll say, I'm not going to do it.
So third, third students are doing every day.
It's not that hard.
It's really easy to do.
OK.
Because you saw how about exercise absolutely
a walking is a great exercise to cost anything.
But you will live longer.
Yeah.
You watch about two miles a day.
This, please.
You'll live longer.
OK.
All right.
So those are some of the things that you can do.
How about water?
I mean, we mentioned you talked about water,
and that should be clean water.
But how much water a day?
I mean, sometimes they go eight, 10 glasses of water a day,
but you know, I'd float.
Well, here's what you do.
Take your weight, divide it by two.
And that's how many alphas you need today.
So the way that 150, nobody weighs out
of 50 pounds.
Anyway, the way I have women might 150 pounds, that's 7, 7 1
1 half, 8 glasses a day.
But you're going to get some water and some food.
In general, 8 to 10 glasses of water.
You can sit, but you don't have to sit,
because all at once on it.
I would be in the bathroom all day.
Come on.
That's a lot of water.
Well, that's not the bad thing.
I mean, let's be realistic that water is
just these toxic
eating and that'll help your weight.
OK.
The other day, a friend of mine said,
you've got to start taking corset in.
Is that for anti-inflammation?
Yeah?
Yes.
Corset is another one.
I mean, I would give you a few of them.
Yeah.
Of course, it is another important.
I want to get anti-inflammatories.
So it's just a patch of work.
We're dying of inflammatory diseases.
It's natural for the body to produce inflammation.
But when it goes out of control, not the problem.
So you want to take an anti-inflammatory,
like turkey, like it may get free, like corset,
on a daily basis to prevent that going out of control.
OK.
All right.
Keep it coming.
Keep it coming.
Well, there's another one.
And I didn't know we talked about this before.
But I think I should reiterate.
It's hard to say it, but it's called
Asta-Zanthe.
Remember that?
Oh, Asta-Zanthe.
But yeah, Zanthe.
Asta-Zanthe.
Nobody can pronounce it, so I just call it Asta-Zanthe.
OK.
Well, anyway, Asta-Zanthe reduces the sun's damage.
It's healthy for the brain.
It's seven hundred and seventy times more active
than co-pute 10.
That amazing.
Yeah.
It protects against oxidative stress to your brain.
And also, it's six thousand times more powerful than vitamin
C is an antioxidant of the good guys.
They help to visualize the bad guys called radical oxygen
molecules that can lead to a glutative disease
if they are out of control.
Wow.
So how much a day of the Asta-Zanthe?
I take that.
12,000 grams.
12,000 grams.
It's what all the researchers have done on a daily basis.
That's what I take.
By the way, it wards off wrinkles.
It supports hormone health.
And you won't believe your skin within 30 days.
These are our cell people.
Yeah.
But hey, I've invited them for a little bit
of someplace that has to go online for the Asta-Zanthe
12,000 grams.
Take a selfie of your face.
And then a month later, do it again.
You won't believe your skin is tighter.
The lines and wrinkles start to go.
And it starts to glow.
And remember, the skin is the largest organ of the body.
Yeah.
OK?
So if your skin is healthy, you're healthy.
So it's as simple as that.
Well, I've got to tell you, I've been taken Asta-Zanthe
for years.
Yeah, so why?
And I get compliments on my skin all the time.
Because one other thing too that I did not mention
is it was important.
And that is a probiotic.
Oh, yeah.
Probiotics are the friendly bacteria
because we know that if you have a healthy gut,
you have a healthy, simple as that.
All right.
Now, I get really confused on the probiotic.
I really do because it's got one.
This is 100 billion stuff.
And this is another one, 300 billion stuff.
No, no, no, no.
If you get a 30 to 50 billion, probiotics
has 50 different screens of the probiotics.
But it matters for taking it on a daily basis.
Because we think there's a second brain in the gut.
That's where that came from.
When people say, I've got a gut feeling.
And it's connected directly to this major computer
you're bringing in the hint.
So healthy gut, very important.
We would just do this.
We would not pause.
We would not pause.
No.
We would not.
No.
But we would not.
No.
We would pause about being sick.
What you did before, he would not celebrate
in what night.
I can't do the night.
I can't do the night.
No one's ever heard of or that they have a name.
I'm so depressed.
I'm so depressed.
I can't do the night.
It's like, I think I got that.
And I think I have this one.
That's amazing.
Now, let's get them your website.
Let's give them your website.
Oh, I'm sure website.
You go on to go to minceo.com.
And you can become a priest, a priest, book friend of mine.
Oh, yeah.
All my books are available on Amazon.com.
Just by my name.
And I have actually 65 books now.
Wow.
That's amazing.
Next time when we talk again, I want
to get into herbs and minerals, because we really
didn't get into that today.
Absolutely.
OK.
I just think minerals are interesting.
You cannot make a single mineral in your body.
You can't make some vitamins.
So minerals are important.
And you're right.
We'll talk about that.
But Dr. Er
Eroldendale.com is my website.
And if you go on it, I have the mindel health minute.
And again, thank you so much for taking the time to be with us.
And I'll get back to you so we can set up another time.
OK.
Keep up the great work, Marisian.
And be well.
You too.
Take good care.
Once again, that's Dr. Eroldendale, the new vitamin Bible.
I've got it sitting here.
And I've been looking through it and everything.
And of course, you can go to his website.
Coming up, though, we're going to be talking about AI.
Where does artificial intelligence
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I'm not sure we want to know for sure.
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Oh boy, little by little we learned about what's happening
in our world, don't we?
But AI, artificial intelligence,
there's been great excitement and some even greater concerns
as AI becomes more integrated into our daily lives.
So, let's get to the inner workings
and possibly the future part of our lives
with Ed Watel, founder and principal
of Intellibus, an Inc. 5000 top 500,
I should say, software firms in Virginia.
Now he knows about AI and the future
with deep IT knowledge.
That's what we really need to have.
Now he built, he actually built an ethical AI platform
and a data commons for the world.
And we're going to find out how that can help us to trust
what we're listening to and hearing.
Nice to have you with us Ed.
Amazing, it's a pleasure to be here.
Okay, so define artificial intelligence.
I mean, it could mean a lot of things, right?
Not just my Syria, my iPhone.
Yeah, artificial intelligence can have different meanings
depending on who you talk to.
You talk to an average person, it's kind of like the cloud.
It's access to technology, which is more smart,
rather than just the cloud where you throw your files.
This is a machine you can talk to.
And so it just gives so much power to the average individual.
At the same time, if you have to ask a technologist,
this artificial intelligence is just the next evolution
of machine learning.
And machine learning has been there for a few decades.
And it's been used across every industry, you know,
especially the financial industry for a long time.
Well, we used to say, and when I say used to,
it could be maybe what, ten years ago?
Because we were talking about this even ten, fifteen years ago.
But we used to say, you know,
artificial intelligence is only as good as the programmer
of the information that's put into the artificial intelligence.
But now the question is, will that artificial intelligence then be able
to develop to a point of making decisions on its own,
beyond what their program to do?
So it goes a little bit into the idea of intelligence and stuff.
And we have the theory that I teach at my class in NYU called RPGIQ,
which is, I call it the RPGIQ theory of intelligence,
and not to be confused, RPG not to be confused with Dr. Propeldgenyase,
and IQ not to be confused with intelligence quotient.
But it's this interesting acronym that allows people to appreciate.
And it's an acronym which really stands for different types of intelligence
than the orders of evolution of intelligence you will.
Okay, so how advanced and evolved are we?
So, so, so our, our in RPG stands for reactive intelligence,
which is kind of think of very basic intelligence, like machines always
we could program to do, you know, much like the human, you know,
the baby kind of has reactive intelligence like when they are born,
you know, they carry it from the mother.
Okay.
We can think of such natural intelligence that exists in evolution,
you know, the reactive intelligence, but things just react to things.
And then we have this innate intelligence and software programming the program systems to react and behave a certain way.
So that's reactive.
Okay.
And then the next order of intelligence is what we can think of as predictive,
which is, you know, when a baby is born, the baby cries, he gets milk,
and then, you know, maybe get smoke again.
So, we know, trying gets remote that being able to predict can be programmed over the years,
machines to predict things, you know, whether it's predict the behavior in stock markets,
what the stock price, you know, opening or closing is going to be on a given day,
or, you know, how certain cars, you know, would, you know, go out of a lane or not, you know, depending on, you know, how you're steering them.
Okay.
Then what?
And then the next order of intelligence is G for generative,
which is essentially being able to take, acknowledge the prediction ability that we have learned and apply to other things.
For example, you know, if you point your lips with hot coffee, you kind of know intuitively that hot milk or, you know, any other hot item could burn your lips.
And machines today have kind of reached that level of generative intelligence, if you will.
So they can, to your point, the question you asked earlier, they can take the knowledge that they have derived in one area,
and then sort of derive the knowledge in another area.
And it's almost like being able to do, you know, really, you know, complex, but in the blank.
Okay.
All right.
Are we still evolving to more?
So, so then there comes the question of I and Q, which is beyond what I call them, beyond generative intelligence, I for intuitive intelligence,
which a lot of people often will associate intuitive intelligence with just our ability to sort of predict the future,
but it is a little more than that.
The new intuition happens in the back for the human intuition for machines at some point if the machines evolved to a certain level would be their ability to know,
get a sense of self and have a sense of self awareness and self truth, which is a concept that often we as humans struggle with.
So really, you know, intuitive intelligence is our ability to discover ourselves, understand ourselves as humans in the same would look in,
in flight for machines.
So machines have to first develop a sense of self and have that intuitive intelligence.
And then the next order beyond that would be quantum, which is the queue in IQ, which is quantum intelligence, which is our ability to, you know, understand the other.
So, you know, Einstein called it Suki action, a distance or, you know, quantum theory causes quantum entanglement.
And as a human, you can just simply relate to it as how a mother or parent knows has a premonition about, you know, something being wrong with their child.
About their child, even when the child is thousands of miles away.
So that's really quantum intelligence in some sense.
But what worries doesn't worry me.
I mean, I'm hoping that there will be enough concern that there will be laws or rules that you can follow.
But, you know, when you hear things like, you know, artificial intelligence coming up with soccer plays, they, this nothing that was there before.
They're thinking about the soccer plays themselves, brand new soccer plays or chess moves.
That's thinking, isn't it?
So it's interesting, you know, because thinking also implies, you know, the card or some great philosopher said, you know, I think that 4 I am.
And so, you know, it just kind of goes back to also believing that, you know, someone can think that they, you know, they exist and they can have a self advantage.
But I think thinking can mean different things.
Just the idea that when you perceive something, it seems as if it's thinking, you know, you could argue that when you ask a computer to question, even with no AI and it responds back to you, just because it has been programmed to do so, it is thinking.
But it's not really thinking in the sense of how humans think.
Humans have a sense of reasoning and rationality.
But then more importantly, you know, someone said, I think there was the book called the other persuasion, but they said that all decisions are emotional and feeling based, we just use thinking to rationalize our own decisions.
So one could argue that, yes, I mean, that is thinking, but then, you know, it's not the human way of thinking or human things.
Do you think it'll ever get to the way humans think?
I think they're far away from that and not because I'm a nurse here and I'm a big believer in technology. I want to push the limits of technology.
And here is why, or how I think about this.
If you think of, you know, what makes us human, what makes us human is our ability to experience things with our physical body.
You know, I was just a ghost inside a phone or to be a terrible life for me and I wouldn't wish that for anyone.
You know, even if you were to digitize our entire brain and somehow put it inside a physical box or a device and you imagine, you know, you woke up and to feel like a black mirror at the store, you're locked inside a box.
So I don't think anyone would want that, at least in the short term. I think we, we like our physical bodies, you know, it would give the span and give the pleasure.
And the physical bodies give us the ability to sense things and we have five different senses, the ability to see here, but more importantly, the ability to touch and taste and smell.
In computer study, don't do these three things. They see and they hear, but they don't touch taste and smell.
Until, not to a great degree, you know, some experiments may have been done in these fields, but until computers can truly begin to touch taste and smell, they wouldn't nearly be as human like as humans are.
So I think that that boundary is still to be caught. We don't even have those devices and interfaces yet.
To some degree, you would say haptic devices exist, they are touched. But not so much for smell and taste.
Huh. But what if you combined, now this is, this is way out, but what if you combined what a computer does or some form of computer and some form of human?
So the fiber hypothesis has been there for a while. We've seen it in movies and, you know, we've seen a lot of people today have, sort of, have headaches which are wired to their brain and people who have had disabilities have gone through such a, you know, solution.
So yes, we already do that. You know, that's cutting edge or has been cutting edge for a while. The value of AI in my mind is less about making us more mechanical nature, but what some people call edge it on biology.
You know, the technology has been used to map proteins, map genomes. And more importantly, you know, personalized mapping of the genome and the biome, which is essentially, you know, all the bacteria that are there in the body.
So as we get closer and closer to the map, the human genome and biome at a highly personalized level and can understand the unique nuances, almost 90% of the DNA is still untapped because it's called junk DNA.
They're broken floating proteins within our thousand. We don't understand them.
So when we say we map the human genome, it's only 10% that we've actually mapped.
Yeah, it just seems like there's been so many advances. I can't imagine it stopping at this point that it's going to keep growing.
I mean, and some of the uses, don't get me wrong, are wonderful. I mean, for medical practice, you know, the robotics that they're using on hip replacements and God knows what else, you know.
This is good. This is good stuff. But there's always that element, someplace, that wants to misuse this, for terrible things, for weapons of destruction.
That keeps in the back of my mind. If there's always going to be an element out there that's not going to want it to be good for humanity.
Yeah, I think like any tool or technology that humans have ever invented, there's always that potential of even the average knife in your kitchen can be used for nefarious things, or simply for making great dinner.
Okay. But now you mentioned, you know, touch, taste, and smell. They would probably never be able to do that.
But do you think they could ever reach then, sentience?
So, I think until, unless, maybe not in the human way, unless, of course, we build machines that are more biological in nature, and there's a whole sort of research in that direction as well.
More and more biological machines get created, which may be not vastly different from humans.
So one could argue that you could grow human and elapse somehow, like, how cloning is done.
So, yes, I mean, there is a distinct possibility that there's a convergence of these sort of futures, and if you watch movies like Transcendence or Johnny Depp, you know, you've probably seen some of this already.
What the possibilities are?
Gotcha.
Where do you, should there be some kind of law?
But you know, the thing is you can make laws and rules. We can have all the laws and rules in our country.
But you have to deal with the world, right?
And they may not follow the same rules or have the same, you know, limits on anything. What do you think?
You're spot on. I think laws and rules and regulations are great.
Obviously, you know, like, help us keep order. Otherwise, people will be driving on all kinds of ways on the road and we'd have accidents all day.
So, yes, we do need some order.
But at the same time, you know, over regulation has never helped.
You know, it's only people have found ways around it.
And the simple thing like, you know, paying taxes, you know, if you increase the tax rates, why people will find other ways to work around it.
So invariably, people will find creative ways if they feel that it's unfair or it's tightening their growth of progress.
And then there's always the kind of more immediate thing of job displacement.
You know, I know jobs will be created in a different way, but jobs could be lost.
I mean, if artificial intelligence can take over the job and not have to sleep and eat and make potty stops, you know, why not?
If I were a business, I don't know. Would you hire artificial intelligence over human?
I think it's already being done. You know, back in the day, I'm sure we would have been familiar with these robotic robot colors.
You must have heard of that. I hate those.
You hate those, right? And now it's just so happening that it's just becoming more and more prevalent.
And now it is earlier, those were being done only by spammers and people who tried to do something, you know, negative or nefarious in nature.
A little bit of marketing, but nowadays, that robocalling is coming into customer support or upsell.
You know, I have given examples without naming a company. It was a bank. I called the bank because I have an account with the bank and, oh, they tried to upsell me right on the first phone call when I'm trying to activate my card.
They're like, oh, if you're over 50, that's one. And then you go past one and then, you know, you're put into a different prompt.
And then you feel like there's a human. And instantly a human comes on, but that's not a human. That's a machine.
Yeah. And then you know it instantly and it's extremely annoying to a lot of people.
It isn't. Well, not only annoying, but they'll say, well, even a few words, don't it? I know you've heard this before, we've all heard it.
And a few words explain to us or give us information as to what you need. So you explain to them in a few words what you're there for.
Then it's, well, I don't understand. Could you reward that in all that? Say, wait a minute. Give me a human so that they'll know what I'm talking about.
Yeah. And so I would say one positive way to look at it would be that it is definitely a step forward from press one four, press two four, press three four.
That's, you know, really, really hard and prompt that one had to go through. This is definitely easier.
You know, at least you feel like you're talking to a human or you had to keep punching buttons.
Yeah, it's true. That's true. But you know, you hear these stories about voices that are mimicked of people, stars and that type of thing.
Well, you know, I've left and I've said this on the year before. I said, you know, you maybe listen, you need to pop talk with Mary Jane pop.
And it may not be Mary Jane pop, but maybe AI. That sounds like Mary Jane pop. That's possible, isn't it?
That's definitely possible. The only question is, you know, I call it the hypothesis of the indistinguishable reality.
At some point in the future, you know, in the back of the day, we used to call it the curing test.
Essentially, you know, when you're talking to a machine, can you as a human tell that you're talking to a machine and not to a human?
And that's the question, you know, the machine really reached that level that you can't tell at all.
Or it's extremely hard for you to tell. Then machines really progress to a point which you could really call real artificial intelligence.
Yeah. It's just one of those things where it looks, you know, 20 years ago, they would have said, oh, no, no, it's just a tool.
And then it'll be used for good things. But you know what, there's always that, you know, possibility that my privacy is gone.
What about the ethical aspects of AI? How do you stand on that?
So I'm glad you asked this question because one of the things I've been doing in the last year or so have been closely associated with this effort called World Digital Governance, WDC.org.
That's the website. And what we are doing there is just building dialogue and conversation around these topics.
You know, I've been obviously for the last decade associated with the big part of the platform that I think you mentioned in the introduction, which is an ethically high platform.
So that's just a different approach to solving the same AI, you know, solutions or problems, if you will, creating higher orders of intelligence without, you know, millions of GPUs and tons of data that needs to be processed because
intelligence is like you rightly mentioned in the beginning, you know, like computers is garbage in garbage out.
So if you keep the whole internet, you're going to get at the other side, but the whole internet looks and feels like, which is a lot of bias, a lot of misinformation, a lot of duplicate information, which you can probably rationalize, but you're still processing
terms of duplicate information. But imagine a clean, sanitized data set like of the Kepidia or a sanitized version of the internet, which is very keen where all the information is organized in clean buckets of, you know, of data.
So that's what is fed in. So you'd have to, you know, do a order of magnitude left computation and probably have much better quality of intelligence as a result of that.
Yeah. I mean, as it is, we have the dark web where, you know, we've got this unscrewed unscrewed those people who are selling your IDs, your credit cards, your driver's license, your social security number.
And, you know, with AI, it's going to be smarter than anything to get to all that. They don't even have to have a dark web anymore. And it feels like I'm being violated. You know what I mean?
You're absolutely right. I think the time is there now for us to really take back control of our life. And it's important for us to have a platform or some solutions, potentially a global solution, which works across countries.
Which allows the consumer to ultimately own their data. Today, your data, the consumer is not owned by you. It's either owned by the government or the country that you live in, which it'll probably be okay.
But it's also owned by tons of corporations that use that data. And often you don't even have any right of control at some point on how that data is being used or misused or floated around.
And so the probability of you as a consumer getting game and manipulated is extremely high. And this is what we see through all the advertising that's pushed on us.
Gotcha. Yeah, it's just, I don't know. Do I want to go backwards? No. We're here. It's like the old saying, the cat's out of the bag. You can't put it back in.
So, you know, and some of it's going to be very good. The medical fields, you know, a lot of information.
But I don't want to get it to the point where the human equation can be taken out. And I don't want that. That's the one thing that I worry about. Don't you?
Absolutely. I mean, the human equation is extremely important. And then finding a mechanism where, you know, the rights not only the rights, the privacy, but also the rights of the individual are honored.
We saw very recently the issue that came up with the likeness of one of the actors being used. And despite her having denied, you know, some started giants.
And said, you know, she had explicitly asked, opening, I'm not to use that. But they still somehow alluded to or used a similar voice.
And the thing is, like, that's the problem. You can't fight it. How do you fight it? And not only voice, but the likeness.
I mean, they finished movies when someone died during the filming of a movie. And they put an AI in there and you'd never know the difference. You wouldn't know the difference.
Because they would take, they can duplicate it. It's unreal how they can do. Well, what am I telling you? You know?
Now, it is, it is, it feels unreal. And in some ways, it's probably not the worst thing as long as it's done appropriately with the appropriate approvals of who over the inheritor of that person's estate.
You know, if someone died and today one of the projects that I'm working on yet to be disclosed is an audition legacy where, you know, today we don't have a mechanism of, you know, be queeping our digital life, a traditional legacy in any meaningful way, except for very, you know, complex
territory, you know, a prophecy. Imagine if someone was to die and how would you bequeath your Facebook accounts, your Instagram accounts, all your social media, all your email, how would you pass that on to an ex-generation? How would you hold it? It was done properly.
Gosh. Well, do we just open up a little box, Ed? And here it will be a hologram that will pop up and it will talk to you and tell you everything you're supposed to do. That's possible, isn't it?
That is thing that's possible. I mean, I'm sure people are working on such ideas and I've been closely associated with one such project as well.
And there are some things like, you know, Holocaust victims and their stories that should go on because in World War II veterans, you know, they're all going to be gone.
A lot of that should be in some form that they, the next generation or the ten generations down can look back and see who these people were.
You say something very close and true to my heart and, you know, something that I've been contemplating a lot about. In fact, I work very closely with the veteran community here in Virginia.
And, you know, recently I was down in Dallas meeting with a couple of veterans who have spent 20 plus years in the army and so forth.
And it's really interesting to see how much of the true stories or the truth is out there, but not even shared, not even documented quite a lot of it.
So I definitely believe that, you know, yeah, that's very, I could help us really, you know, organizing, documenting this truth and then making it easier for people to consume.
Because imagine, you know, today, just think of the consumers tool. You know, you have thousands and thousands of videos on a given topic in YouTube.
There's no meaningful way for me to say, oh, let me pick this one topic and just watch every possible video on YouTube and all the useful stuff. How do you do that?
That's true. That's true. Well, I hope you'll keep us posted. I'm going to check in with you every so often, Ed, and say, where are we now, Ed, and where we go and if you don't mind.
Oh, you're most welcome. You know, I teach at NYU and I love to share whatever I know and in the process of sharing, I learn more. So it's always exciting to be here.
You bet. Do you have a website, by the way?
Yeah, you know, the AI that I teach is called AI Masterclass, all the one word. Masterclass as an M-A-S-T-E-R-C-L-A-S starting with AI.
So it's AI Masterclass on all one word.com.
That's where I teach.
Fantastic. Well, I want to thank you as always, Ed, to just, you know, keep us, write to what's going on. You know, I would rather know what's coming instead of it's here and all of a sudden I don't know what to do. You know what I mean?
Well, I'm sure the AI will give us enough notice and there's enough good humans that I know after working to put in a guardrail so we don't get too tight as humanity.
You bet. Thanks, Ed. And you have a good day and take good care, okay?