Speaker Identification
Speaker 1 - Host: Alan Steinfeld
Speaker 2 - Guest: Jess Herman
Stage Note - Music/Poetic Outro: Non-dialogue audio or lyric-like material heard in the program.

Stage Note - Opening Music and Spoken Montage
[Opening music and poetic/spoken montage plays, introducing the themes of contact, mystery, belief, and experience.]

Speaker 1 - Host (Alan Steinfeld)
Welcome back to New Realities, I'm Alan Steinfeld This program is about the ongoing discovery of consciousness, the exploration of consciousness And also another favorite subject, and it kind of combines with this Is the UFO phenomena, contactees, where that is an evolution of consciousness perhaps So that's why I'm talking today to one of my favorite people Jess Herman, and she is a channel for the Vagrions I also know that you are a contactee, or it seems like And I wonder how, well if you could talk about that, how it influenced your development To kind of go into channeling or explore consciousness Where do you want to begin with your contact experience?

Speaker 2 - Guest (Jess Herman)
Well, I guess we begin at the beginning, because I don't actually have recollection in childhood before Being a contactee From the time I was very, very small, my parents They will tell me, oh you had such an active imagination You always had these dreams, and you would come into our room and say that you had been out of the house, etc. And so having that be the narrative of what was going on I did believe that I was having just very vivid dreams for all of childhood They could be scary, they could be very realistic and very, very accurate But also they came with a sensation of Suppose you knew you were about to have the dream, right?
So you knew that it was going to happen You could kind of look down your streets and everything got very slow And I remember I had this awning outside by a bedroom window And these shutters, and I kept trying to keep the shutters closed Because I knew if I looked down that street, the thing might happen And then I might have one of these dreams So again, I was a little bit odd as a child I had a ability, paranormal ability to see ghosts and things like that And then I was also having these experiences in the sleep state

Speaker 1 - Host (Alan Steinfeld)
Well let's explore that because what you're telling me does not sound like an ordinary dream You don't have people, everyone I know who dreams and that's everyone Doesn't usually have a premonition of the dream So it sounds like really a contact experience So what dreams can you go into the specifics of what happens to you?

Speaker 2 - Guest (Jess Herman)
In retrospect, when I look back at it now, there were very big differences between actual dreams That children would have maybe all of your playmates at school or a fire in your house Even nightmares, you know, they were very different flavor than these experiences Which were wildly consistent So it would be that, you know, it's sort of down the street, everything And I lived in Montreal, so often the street was like snow on both sides And, you know, the cars parked and very quiet scene, but it was a very long street We had the corner house, so we could see all the way down this very long street And it would be as if time had slowed down and stilled And then the next sort of experience would be either in sort of a very sterile type of location Very minimalistic sort of design, smooth walls, almost like a hospital My only point of reference would have been like a hospital type of environments And in this space, there were other children, yeah, like a ship Yeah, okay, exactly And in this space, there were other children my age as well We were all sort of dressed similarly, and there were things we had to do It was almost like going to school, I came to an acceptance of like, okay, this is sort of someplace you go in these dreams to the school And in these dreams, you would have to sort of, you know, that's funny Because when TV shows came out later, right, you kind of like, for example, what is it?
Stranger Things, you know, like where are the characters with other children of that sort of nature And they're experimenting with psychic abilities I do believe it has to have been a contact team that came up with that part of that show Because that is pretty much the exact accurate depiction of the memories that I have Where we were asked to sort of move blocks with our minds or, you know, and it was performance-based So you were kind of greeted on your performance

Speaker 1 - Host (Alan Steinfeld)
Many people have had those, I mean, it's actually my friend James Carmen made a movie, The Hidden Hand Where I was actually a scene of these kids playing with telepathy So let's say they weren't dreams, maybe they were, and they were actual ET contact experiences So how old were you when you first had them?

Speaker 2 - Guest (Jess Herman)
Well, I'm pretty convinced that they were, you know, ET contact experiences now But as part of almost like a network of like a program, you know, it was not like, oh, you're being taken to some malicious sort of thing It was definitely something that was organized and had structure and bureaucracy even, I believe, and things like that And I think that probably my earliest recollection I would have had to have been in the new house already Also because I was younger than that, it has to be around four or five years old, definitely before school age And it happened so often did it happen? I think around that age quite regularly And then it diminished as I got a little bit older and was able to recall things more So probably by the time I was about 10 or 11, it had slowed down to almost not at all, or I wasn't remembering them anymore

Speaker 1 - Host (Alan Steinfeld)
Right, so did you just meet other children or were there being supervising it, and do you remember that?

Speaker 2 - Guest (Jess Herman)
So the only, unfortunately, the only beings that actually remember that weren't sort of children And I think there was like the essence of something supervising that there wasn't, I don't have visual representation or recollection of like adults around or adult beings Unfortunately, the only beings that I do recall are what you would see and consider to be the grays And that would be in situations where there were medical procedures being undertaken So I also do have recollection of things that were maybe like surgeries or knots But definitely very much a hospital type of environment with that sort of those kind of recollections

Speaker 1 - Host (Alan Steinfeld)
You talk about what part of your body they were? No, no, just terrified Like those memories were meant to be erased and when they did come back, they were just absolutely terrifying Did they come around the age of puberty there? Like not you weren't young, you weren't older?

Speaker 2 - Guest (Jess Herman)
I'm not sure, I think even younger, I think even younger than that And I do have suspicion that I've heard about the hybrid programs, I do have suspicion that there was quite a bit of activity with the hybrid programs Because later in life when I was having my own children There was almost mixing between periods where I was having human children and also hybrid type of things Which then came back when I stepped out of that part of the program So I can talk about that as well

Speaker 1 - Host (Alan Steinfeld)
Yeah, yeah, talk about that, no, be more specific because they're really exciting So what hybrid things are you talking about?

Speaker 2 - Guest (Jess Herman)
Okay, so I actually have these children, these hybrid children and even adults That probably started around the age when I was about 16, I think I probably had the first hybrid experience when I was about 16 Being pregnant, your body being pregnant, maybe not like having human sexuality and then you're pregnant But your body recognizing that it on the reproductive level is being housing something So when you were actually pregnant with human children, you would have flashbacks to an earlier time of that, I see But usually, in some cases, they only carry a child for three months and then they're taking it No, not even even less, yeah, exactly, exactly So the first one I would say was sort of like a two month, three month type of thing, if that And then there must have been a pause in between those before sort of getting to an older age where it was like, okay, now This is what we're going to do, this is actually an incubator, a pre-incubator for these children And interestingly enough, from my understanding of my involvement in that is that I was meant to also be aware of some of these pregnancies So I did have what would be considered human pregnancy on this plane and that ended in a what's called a missed miscarriage, right?
Which is when there is a heartbeat and there's a baby developing and then all of a sudden there simply isn't And they don't know where it went

Speaker 1 - Host (Alan Steinfeld)
Wait, did that happen? Well, this happened between my children so probably about, it'll be how long ago? About 10 years ago. Yeah, you were pregnant. You were by men or non human circumstances. And then the child after so the child were there like pregnant for like a few months and then suddenly you weren't

Speaker 2 - Guest (Jess Herman)
Yeah, so a few months, you know, heartbeat confirmed type of thing because I had, I'd been told already, I already had a daughter at the time, but I'd been told by doctors that actually I wasn't able to have children Which is also an interesting thing because of some medical things and police system over reason, all the stuff that doctors say to you So I was monitoring the pregnancy very closely and there was a heartbeat and so oh great, yeah pregnant, okay, another child's going to come, this is great, wonderful I know everyone knows that early pregnancy can be tricky and stuff like that. So when I went back for an ultrasound probably at about four months, I heard a voice right before the ultrasound began and the voice was everything's going to be okay So I'm like, oh, that's not a good sign.
Like if your inner voice tells you everything's going to be okay, yes, it's correct, but it means you're going to go through something first right So the doctor there didn't find the heartbeat again didn't find the fetus didn't find the didn't find anything. And also I wasn't bleeding or anything I wasn't actually having a miscarriage it was just simply the pregnancy was no longer there. So, obviously, you know, we went and dealt with that but again, the heartbeat you have to be sort of the bait has to be sort of very pretty developed like, like I don't know when that happens but at least for four months. And then suddenly you weren't.
Did that cue you in or is this one of those mysteries or did you mean it was very upsetting, you know, like, because you think you're having another child and so it was upsetting the same way any miscarriage would be for someone who is expecting to have a child. And it did start a series of I believe encounters around that period. And in those encounters, I was sort of filled in on the details of the program that I've been involved with for years so many, many of the experiences that I had in the hybrid program didn't really involve me as just like the human level at all. So, I didn't need to know about the thing. But because this particular experiment had been made aware to me on the human plane because of the heartbeat and the checking so early and stuff like that. And then the removal of this child. I was very upsetting to just the human.

Speaker 1 - Host (Alan Steinfeld)
So, so what so talk about how you were informed by and by who and by what and what did they say.

Speaker 2 - Guest (Jess Herman)
Yeah, so this was sort of like psychic informing so I can't say I ran into somebody and we had a sit down, but it did quite feel like a meeting. So it felt like, you know, okay, you're going to meet your boss or, you know, even military almost it felt sort of like a hierarchy ranking type of thing where I was filled in like listen you signed up for this thing a long time ago and you've been really good at your job. And this is what we've been doing and your human vessel has been, you know, on loan at times for different things. And this is just kind of how the program works. And also they apologize for the grays when I was a child because that was something that they had in that time told me like listen, what happened with the grays and this applies to anyone listening, by the way.
What happened with the grays back in the 70s and 80s was that they had technology to erase the memory, but they didn't realize that humans have emotional memory as well. And so there was the emotional residue of all these abduct what we're now called abductions, but we're really, you know, encounters and they weren't erased properly. So a lot of people got unfortunately very traumatized by those experiences with the grays. But whoever this was, and I believe it was either. Arcturian, Lemurian type characters, very, very solid, solid and straight, not as loving as like the Pleiadians would be or something like that. They were like, okay, listen, you know, you don't necessarily need to stay in the hybrid program anymore. You don't need to do this. Like it's definitely something that you can opt in or out of and we see that you've been affected by this thing.
So I don't know what the decision was at that time, but I do know that six months later, I found myself pregnant again with my son, who when I had the early pregnancy,

Speaker 1 - Host (Alan Steinfeld)
he was meant to be a twin. So I had two babies, two heartbeats and identical twins. The doctor already said, okay, they're in the same sack and they're, it's an egg that splits from like left to right. And so they're going to be, you're going to have twin children because we can see how it's formed the sack and they, you know, do that in the ultrasound. And similarly with the pregnancy before, went back for another ultrasound, probably about four months in, five months in and simply one of the babies disappeared. So now. The big question is, right, your son has a twin somewhere. But have you ever met your hybrid children?

Speaker 2 - Guest (Jess Herman)
So I've only, I believe met them psychically. Like, so there's one, the very first one. I mean, I called her symbol line very early. That was, you know, I had her so young or she existed when I was so young that now she's in her, like, would be in her 30s. Right? So, so that has been a guide to me the whole time. I don't think I ever knew of her when she was a child, but definitely there is that, you know, I know I can recognize her on that sort of plane of, um, um, interaction, I suppose you would say, a psychic interaction. But in terms of, uh, my little guy's brother, you know, it's, it's interesting. I don't believe we've met him yet. I think my son may be spent some time with him at night, but I'm not sure, you know, what that entails or what's going on with that. I have heard from the program though that they do often do that with twins. They take one identical twin. Right.
And the program being what the, the, the, themselves. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, would you like to meet them? Should I see what I can? Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I feel like there's enough. Like, the attachment from the human level to understand it. Like, you know, I wouldn't necessarily say, Oh, like, these are my children. I don't have that emotional sort of connection to this, but definitely it's very interesting. And if they all turned up, I mean, cool.

Speaker 1 - Host (Alan Steinfeld)
That'd be awesome. You know, I mean, is your son very psychic with some other part of himself? My son's always talking about how he's an alien and stuff. And I can't tell if it's because he wants to be strange, like mom or if he's actually having experiences, but I just kind of go like, okay, yeah, that sounds cool. And he tells me he has powers and things. So, well, did you tell the story about how we were telling me? No, the details of the story in this way. No, he knows that he had in, in the womb. That's when, but we didn't sort of say like, Oh, we, you know, somewhere else. I mean, sometimes we sort of speculate, Oh, in the sky, your brothers in the sky, that kind of thing. But I think he'd probably be able to channel his twin because you know, or psychically, maybe you'll have a channeling partner there. Exactly. I was saying, Jess is a channel.
So do you think this opening to these other dimensional beings, whatever they are?

Speaker 2 - Guest (Jess Herman)
Was it training that you had? You do talk about what that thing that, you know, putting two and two together now, simply because when I first stepped into channeling, I didn't have to make any effort whatsoever. So I didn't study channeling. I didn't have to figure out a meditation technique. I didn't have to. I really didn't have to do anything, but it felt so natural and so not natural the same way, like chewing food feels natural, like not like instinctually natural natural like I know how to do this. This is this is something I just know how to do the way you know how to ride a bicycle. So it really felt like I'd spent a lot of time cultivating probably a natural skill that was already there in my biology, but through some level of like just knowing what to do. Because even the first day I channeled, I was arguing with this energy. I was like, listen, I'm not a channel.
You can't make me channel. I didn't even know what channeling was. I was like, I'm not going to do this. I'm not going to be a messenger. And then I said, I'll prove it to you by doing the thing and showing you it doesn't work. Now, the question is, how did I know how to do that thing in the first place, right? Unless it was something that I had been sort of trained in. And the same thing goes for my pranic healing work. You know, I found out one day that I could influence people physically sort of influence their physical structure and that scared me. So I said, Oh my gosh, I should find out about Reiki. I should find out about something and lo and behold, pops into my feed. A pranic healing center here. So I go and I say, can I sign up for the one day intensive course and find out what this thing is all about.
And when I got there, I swear everything the guy was saying, I was like, I've been at this class before. Like, I know exactly what he's talking about. I've never heard of this thing before. And I think it's very connected, you know, not necessarily with Master Master Choa Kok Sui, but with like the Arcturians, that's just their modality of healing. They just do psychic surgery all the time. It's not even a thing. It's so I think I've been trained in those two modalities. Right. So the vagrant, vagrant, are they eat season that you're not? No, no. So my understanding is they are a frequency of energy that is above like it. That is related to the all that is. That of course also ETs have access to we all have access to it.
So for whatever reason, I believe what's happened is these, this organization or this group of beings that are this collective of beings that are together in the sort of realm, looking out for humanity, have decided to task a role with making not just myself, but many channels able to filter the same frequency in different flavors. So as to help humanity and to unity consciousness. And you know, it can't come from them. Because the minute you have an ET coming down here and sharing these messages, well, then we've got that God complex, you know, humans were so ready to give up. Well, humans are very ready to give up their sovereignty to someone else. We do it all the time to other humans. Well, you know, we're looking for a leader. Well, you know, maybe I'm not, but some probably are. But, but do they talk about ETs of our grands? I mean, do they can they don't talk about it much.
They're not that focused on it to them. It's about as important as talking about elephants or talking about, you know, insects or talking about other humans, you know, so it's all the same. They acknowledge that yes, these energies and frequencies exist. They acknowledge that yes, we have a lot that we don't know about yet. So they are, you know, disclosure inclined. We are heading in that direction if we choose to. But to them, it's as unimportant for the messages that they're sharing as really anything else is, you know, talking about politics, for example.

Speaker 1 - Host (Alan Steinfeld)
Right. But it is interesting. I find it fascinating. And I think I'm more interested like in what you said it was some traumatic times. Could you be more specific about what happened to you? How you enter? But what happened? You know, if it's not too traumatizing to talk about that.

Speaker 2 - Guest (Jess Herman)
So it's okay. So I think that there was, at least in terms of the memories, I think there was a lot more than the memories because obviously we, you know, we remember what's emotionally triggered, right? So there was definitely memories of things that would seem like surgical procedures. What described what that would see? What could be good? You know, sort of being on a cold table with very bright lights. Not, I don't remember pain or anything like that, but I do remember. The coldness of the beings around sort of like their non-interacting with me. I found that scarier than anything they could have been doing. So they're sort of like buzzing around doing their thing and like you not even feeling acknowledged. So that was a little bit strange.
In terms of when I have memories of like visiting when I was about 10 years ago, when I was a bit older, and they were explaining to me some of my medical problems because I had autoimmune disease for many years. Oh. Some of that was explained as listen to be able to create eggs or to create these pregnancies. Your system had to be altered to be able to be in that space of, you know, continuous fertility or whatever it is for whatever we were doing. And in fact, as soon as I got out of the program, my, my autoimmune disease left. Well, you know, that's really interesting because I think a lot of contact these do have autoimmune and they never realize that's probably why because the immune system has to be suppressed in order to right. Exactly correct. And they explained to me also sort of things about humans and blood type. Why perhaps like so I'm an O negative.
And it is actually known in medical human medical science that O negatives or even negative any knO negatives if you are, Rh negative. I think I think our age negative my mother brother both are. So I can. Yeah, so possible. And what happens in a female or each negative is if you have an Rh positive baby ever. Right. What happens in your immune system is it immediately activates unless you have what's the what's it called plasma. It's very, very strange. And your immune system activates and then the next Rh positive baby you have your body will kill it as if it's another species. And I'm thinking the doctors explaining this to me. They're like, this is why you have to have this plasma and I'm like. So wait a minute, you're telling me if I get pregnant with another human child, my body's going to kill it as if it's another species. So then what the hell am I?
What are we talking about here? So your children are Rh are negative then? No, well, I don't know because they don't test the babies, but they did give me plasma after both of the kids to prevent this from happening like human. I don't know what they gave me. They gave me an injection of something to prevent this from occurring. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah. Which is apparently standard practice. So the Rh factor is a kind of marker of ET interactions to kind of genetically maybe splice their genetics into with ours. That's a conclusion we can come to. I don't think you'll ever find evidence written in any medical journal of that of any kind. But there's definitely something strange going on when a species has something like that happening.

Speaker 1 - Host (Alan Steinfeld)
It's like it's a very unusual thing because there aren't any other animals where, you know, I mean, you see even different types of breeds of dogs can mate with each other. So, you know, it would be very weird that two humans wouldn't be able to mate. Right. Like as if they're different species is negative blood, whatever. A, I think it's a negative. A Rh. My mother is a negative, but that could be an ET mutation in order for us to sync up with them because I think it all is a negative. And I think it also travels in generations. I think my grandmother, my mother and me and maybe my brother, but I really feel I am. So do you think your family has had ET manipulations back? My mother had many, many, what's considered miscarriages before she had her family. So many, many, many pregnancies that disappeared or were lost in certain ways.
And, you know, I do think that on top of all those, I think a lot of us are twins that we don't know where the other half went to. And there is that sort of psychic connection with other versions of ourselves that are genetically equal because I do think in the program they are checking these types of things out. You know, if humans do it and like want to check out and experiment on twins, then why, you know, why wouldn't an more advanced species that's trying to breed us go, okay, what happens if we put these exactly same genetic people beings in different environments and that's sort of what has been going on for some time as well. Especially since, you know, that van, it's called vanishing twin syndrome. They've known about it for hundreds of years. The vanishing twin syndrome. So I don't think it's not connected to the ET thing. So you think you have a twin possibly or your mother?
I'm not sure for me. No, but I have some suspicion, maybe my daughter as well or some other, you know, sort of people in the family. Again, it's, it's the type of thing where, like, depends what, I guess what they're doing and when, you know, we don't have the whole memo. It's like, it really is like the military. It's like, they only tell you what you need to know. And. Well, I get ready to meet your hybrid children because Bashar says 2027 will begin this integrate. I mean, who knows, but it may begin this integration program with hybrids coming here, introducing them. I mean, they're probably already here. If you listen to Whitley Strieber. But you should talk at it. One of these UFO conferences is really fascinating about the pregnancies and coming here to introduce us to the ET population because they're half us half them.
Of course, when I interviewed Bashar, he said he was part of my genetic lineage. He said, thank you. Great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather. He treated his genetic line. Maybe you did too. You should ask him that. And remember being woken up in the middle of the night after my kind of abduction experience and being given this little creature to hold in my hand. That I didn't relate to at all. It's in my book, that chapter. It looked like a little deer with big eyes. It's like, why am I holding this creature? But it did find some old journals where I was traveling around on it. I was on a ship, but looked, I thought it was a cruise ship, but somebody gave me this baby on my lap and was driving around with it. And we're both very happy feeling love. And so I don't know.
I mean, I think I probably have a, you could ask Bashar how many, not that it matters, you know, offspring hybrids. Well, there's at least seven here, because I did these paintings within the arc of several days and they're huge paintings and there's different hybrids. Yeah. Well, maybe the vagrions are one of your hybrids that are trying to.

Speaker 2 - Guest (Jess Herman)
You know, I don't like the things once you get non physical, you also have to get non linear in terms of timelines. So it really kind of turns into the soup of all that is. And of course, everything is overlapping. You know, it really becomes that sort of like, well, which crayon do you want to color with? Because you get to, you get to kind of choose what feels relevant to you and what feels sort of that, that's serving. You know, for me right now, I'm not super focused on any of the alien stuff only because my mission with vagrion is so satisfying and so pressing. And I think is the result of any of that work that I did with them. Cause like I said, after sort of the part with all the hybrid stuff ended because after that pregnancy with the, with the twins, I said, no, I'm out. We're not doing this anymore ever. Not doing it. Like, cause I didn't want to have the loss anymore.
I was very emotional level. So I removed myself in the hybrid program and very quickly after that, it seems that I was assigned as a channel because it wasn't that long after that I started channeling. So what's your mission with the vagrions? I mean, what do they want you to do and become. So it's communication for sharing messages of unity consciousness and radical self acceptance. They, them and whoever they work with have come to the conclusion that if each and every person really, truly did follow their joy and their bliss and trust themselves completely and really appreciate the unique individuation that they are that the majority of the world's problems, if not all of them could be solved within a generation. Because in doing that, the distortions that come with all the insecurity of worthiness, all of the insecurity of am I loved or not would dissolve.
And those are the things that cause all of the, all the chaos on the planet of, I need to take what's yours. I need to fight for my survival, et cetera, et cetera. So if everyone steps into their power, then, you know, we can solve a lot of things. Now. Are most people ready to step into their power? I don't know. So my mission is to help as many people as possible to hear these messages and perhaps to resonate with them so that they make choices that are more fulfilling to them.

Speaker 1 - Host (Alan Steinfeld)
Right. And as you evolved, you find that your mission, your connection is evolving, or does that stay sort of, at a base? No, I'm definitely, I'm definitely evolving in terms of my own navigation of the human experience. I'm always coming up against my edges always. So no one's immune to emotion. No one's immune to unpacking their bags, you know, not settled, not unpacked, but definitely in a space where things become quite, things don't, don't, don't affect me in the same way. I can very quickly see the beauty and joy in love in almost any circumstance. I'm in a space where I'm so accepting of the fact that I have emotions. I'm so accepting the fact that my body's communicating with me sometimes in kind of, you know, body kind of ways, et cetera. So I'm definitely enjoying life. It's really a fantastic thing to be doing now. I'm glad it is fantastic. It is fantastic. It is.
I'm glad you're happy because I know you were going through some intense times and now you're amount the other side. And so do you find as the more you kind of around the message and more you're evolving? I mean, yes, appreciate life. Like just appreciating life is was an evolution, would you say?

Speaker 2 - Guest (Jess Herman)
Yeah, appreciating life also navigating other human beings, navigating relationships, navigating finance, navigating health, navigating purpose, sense of self, worthiness. Really, just like the whole, the whole bag, the whole kitchen sink too of all of the stuff. And it's, you know, it helps me. I think that, you know, that's, that's me being in contact with the messages and having them so directly through. I don't remember what I channel, but obviously it's all going through the brain. So it is some of it sticking. But what also happens is I'm living my human life in an experimentation of all of these teachings. And then as I bump into, you know, getting it right, getting it not right, trying again, baby steps and all that, it makes me as Jess also a really valuable teacher, because I'm sort of living the stuff as I'm also just teaching from the higher perspective.
So it's really, it's really a beautiful place to be. And I really love that role.

Speaker 1 - Host (Alan Steinfeld)
So what's your ultimate goal? Where do you want to, like, what's, what's your, where do you want to end up or not? There's no ending, but where do you want to be stretched into now? Well, I'd love for, you know, millions and millions of people to know of the Vagrion and to know these messages and to step into their power. I mean, I just think, you know, millions of people can start doing what they really love to be doing. Then what kind of an improvement will this world be? That just, so that tickles me to think of that. And then, you know, I have so many creative projects and ideas. I was thinking of like, I want to put together like a TV show, like a comedy type of show on spirituality. And I want to write more books and I wanted to do all the things.
So I have so much energy and so much inspiration for fun things to do that really, I just want to keep having fun for the next 74 years or so. Right. You should come to the Conscious Life Expo. I was just there is thousands of people. It's a great. I got this one, Marilyn Gavikki there who channels Zasar. She now has a big audience. I mean, not just because of that, but because she's been, do you know her? Oh, very similar message. I also similar to Char says, follow your highest excitement. Right. Isn't that your sort of.

Speaker 2 - Guest (Jess Herman)
Yeah, it's, it's all that excitement, but it's also accept that your excitement might be a bit weird compared to somebody else's excitement. You know, it's, it's, we are all such beautiful individuations. Right. Right. Right. So you're excited about channeling that. Do you ever see a time where you're integrated with them so you're no longer like, you know, having to channel you're just speaking your truth. So it's, I don't, I don't know if, if that's sort of a direction because their messages are very high level and I really enjoy being human. I really enjoy making mistakes and enjoy getting my knees scraped and the way I made. And I think that's probably why I'm a good channel because I don't necessarily take on everything they say as if, you know, I want to go and experiment with it. I want to go and make the mistakes and stuff like that.
So I think that, you know, as I get older, definitely I will, you know, integrate that more because it simply seems to be like, you know, I'm learning more and more, but, and that what they hear is truth, but, you know, I don't know if they've tried a couple times to have the eyes open and stuff like that. And I think that's probably the mechanics of it will evolve over time. And as I get more comfortable, I'll become a better channel for sure.

Speaker 1 - Host (Alan Steinfeld)
Right. Anything more about the ETS because I really, you know, the intense, like what we can learn from your experiences about who these beings are. And, you know, Bashar again says this year they are arriving 2027. So, I think you were prepared on many levels, but maybe, especially for this time that's coming. You have anything you want to share about your. Sure.

Speaker 2 - Guest (Jess Herman)
So often when I come upon other contactees, they may not know that they were contactees. So I can definitely sense that and have conversation with them. And especially if it's vagrant having conversation with them, I will get experiences that because they'll draw from their mind that they don't necessarily remember, then vagrant will or will not tell them because sometimes it violates free will for vagrant to tell them. But sometimes I'll be left at the end of a session with having seen certain experiences that this person's had or knowing something about who they're connected with, etc. Or sometimes people ask directly like, who am I connected with and what, you know, what sort of ET contacts to have a vagrant will show me in a way because I get visuals when I'm in channeling. I don't know what they're saying, but I'll see stuff.
So, many, many, many people don't know that they were contactees, like many, we're talking about lots and lots and lots and people say 10% of the population. More. Yeah. Yeah. So, as this comes out and especially as we get closer and closer to disclosure, people who did not necessarily know will have this sense of like, I remember, but I'm not sure, but also I'm scared to admit. And also it's, you know, whatever it is. So, a lot of the people who have these experiences would be, let's say people who are watching your show who are curious or skeptical, right? Now, the curious and the skeptical would not be here. If it wasn't a primer and a bit of a lubrication towards them eventually having the recollections and being able to integrate those.
Now, if you have been involved with any of these groups, right, from my experience, at least the ones I've been involved with, there is a deep benevolence to these groups, right? There is a deep love and aid. I mean, they tend to be quite technical minded, but aid to humanity that is available. And your soul contract with these groups was established in advance. And there is complication with these sorts of things because we are physical beings, right? If we were in any of these star systems still or in sort of like, if you were another species, you wouldn't have had to have it hidden from yourself to be able to survive your human life. You wouldn't have had to have it cloaked so that you could get by.
But this aid that was available that many people with psychic abilities had trained or had developed when they were children, this is here because later on in your life should humanity go in certain directions, you're almost like a sleeper cell that will be activated. So it's okay to have, or to begin to have the thoughts of like, maybe I'm part of the hybrid program. Maybe I have gifts that have been cultivated by other species that, right now we are not necessarily recognizing as on a global level, as real. They absolutely are. And so, allow yourself to understand that if you're alive today and you have had contact with aliens, they were benevolent. Like, there's no other option. If they weren't, you would not be here.

Speaker 1 - Host (Alan Steinfeld)
What about the grays that were so disturbing? Who are they? What's their function? Well, they were involved. They were involved with that same program. There was nothing wrong with them. It was exactly the same location. So they were just tasked with the medical team side of things because they were the most skilled at that. However, it's like, you know, it's even in human life, right? Imagine you have like a surgery, right? And the anesthesiologist does their job, but you find out 10 years later that the anesthesia that they used in those procedures actually didn't, you know, erase the emotional trauma for them. It's exactly the same thing. Now, is the anesthesiologist evil?
No, but they may have been like, you know, joking around with their friend while you were sleeping and you heard the jokes or they may have been, you know, a little callous and treating you like a number as opposed to a human being because they think you're asleep. They think you're not going to remember. So, and the grays specifically are not human. Right. They're not, they don't have emotion. And so because they don't have emotion, what do they know from how it's going? They say, kid crying, they go fine. She's crying now, but we're just going to erase her memory and it's going to be fine. So that's where the trauma comes in. Where do the mantis beings fit in? Some people say they're super, you know, we think about that.

Speaker 2 - Guest (Jess Herman)
So I do have some, I imagine myself to have some mantis connections. And the mantis are extremely intelligent and very, very insect like they're, they're a hive mind type of thing. They're probably even behind hive mind. We can't, I don't think we can even understand how hive minded it is that they're the way that they're formed. And they're very, very close to being universal consciousness. We would not perceive of it as particularly loving because of our sensitivity, but it is extremely loving. It's as close to the loving of all that is that you can get while being able to be in like in form because they do have form.

Speaker 1 - Host (Alan Steinfeld)
They can't have form. That is interesting. I never heard that definition, but that's, I'll have to integrate that. But could you tell that I'm a contact teacher you feel like that? How do you do that? How do you show up for you? Well, you know, you have like, you're not only a contact team, you're like, you got the badges and like the membership. How do you know that? I mean, what happens for you? It's just, it's a familiarity. I mean, you know, when we met, it doesn't seem like it's not even like how much of a conversation do we have before we were besties. Like, it's not even a conversation. Well, I thought your healing energy was really good too. That come from the, that sort of reminder you did in the. Yeah, the art, the Arcturian and type of stuff. No, the problem of healing though too. But I think it's just a Nate Leachie. Yes, I know it was an instant connection.
So that's what you have for contactees, right? Yeah, now I haven't talked to you for a couple of years. Like, yeah, there you are. We did. I think we're on that. Yeah, there. But maybe, no, my question, I mean, that's one of my questions, but also wonder if you're a variance or you can talk about or tell me what happened. In 1988, or 87 maybe I think was 87 is around the time of harmonic converges when I had that most remembered abduction experience like I don't remember. I just remember being frozen in time and say, but I sort of had a glimpse because I was regressed to these big tall beings at the back of my bed. Do you have any more information that might be about that? Or do you feel like tuning into that or, or.

Speaker 2 - Guest (Jess Herman)
What comes through right away is that that is not that is probably like tip of the iceberg type of thing that you were allowed to see at that time, not because that was in itself was significant, but because you were allowing yourself in that moment to. Perceive of something that would allow would give you meaning and direction for the way your life then turned from that experience. Right. So it wasn't the first time you had interaction and it certainly wasn't the last time. It's just that was the exact right moment where you had to have. Daytime conscious awareness of that being the case. Now, someone like me. I've had, you know, even forget the like, Oh, these might have been dreams type of thing. I've had some weird, you know, undeniable actual on the planet. Oh, well, tell me. Okay. Yes.
I was driving from, Oh, was it Albany Albany to Lake Placid one night and it was a very straight road and my car was running out of a gas. Right. So that road has no gas stations just off of it. The signs is they like go off here, then one mile down the road. There's an, you know, whatever, so station or whatever it is. So I get off the road and driving in the forest as you do. And the road's going like this up and down and up and down and up and down. And you know, you get to the top of this little hill and there's like lights behind you and you figure, okay, well, that's on the bump behind and then down. There's no more lights up. Oh, there's lights behind. Okay. Down the, and then sort of on the third bump, like having noticed this car behind us. Time freezes time freezes. The lights become very, very bright. You're driving by yourself, right? No, I was with my husband at the time.
But this and he, okay, the lights become bright and they're speaking. I speak of very pray and sort of time freezes. Now, I don't have recollection of what happens in that time freeze period, but the time comes back on and the clock is more than 45 minutes later. Okay. The car still has no gas. There's still no gas station anywhere to be found. So we beeline it back onto the highway to try and find this gas. I mean, the car's going to run out of gas in the middle of the forest. Otherwise, you know, so, so, you know, he, he's a skeptic. He's always been a skeptic and and I'm sitting in the car going, what just happened? Like where, where are the 45 minutes? I don't understand. Like we weren't driving that long and there was the lights and there was the thing and like there was no other car and what's going on and he just would not, you know, like that complete like.
I know, but did you ask yourself, did you ask the vagrant? Did you tune in? No, I wasn't channeling the time. This was before I channeled. You tune in now or not now at some point. And I, or you're not curious about it or. I'm not that curious about it. I like, I feel like it's one of so many of the things that occurs, like in my life that for me, the best way to deal with any of the alien stuff is to just have faith that someone knows how much I need to know. And if I need to know, they'll let me know. So I also had an experience in Malta where there was, they have these cart tracks, these cart routes that go right off a cliff. Nobody goes there. Nobody goes there because it's not a tourist area, but it's like these tracks, huge tracks into the earth that are not dirt. It's like rock and they're parallel and they're from ancient times and they go straight off the cliff into the ocean.
Right? So of course, I want to go and see this. Right? I'm like, I gotta, I gotta know what this is. I gotta know what this is. And they're huge. I mean, they're, they're like the size. They're like this big, the tracks and they're parallel and they go right off the cliff. Okay. So my children were asleep in the car again with my ex husband and we pull up to these things and he says, listen, I want to get out of the car. There's nothing here. There's no, like, we're in the middle of nowhere. There's nothing here. And I say, okay, well, I just want to check it out. I just want to like go and check out what's going on. And the kids were asleep. So I said, stay in the car and I'll just go check it out. So I walk out into this field and it's sort of up a little hill and I can't see the car anymore. And I'm looking around. Yeah, indeed, there's these cart routes, these, these crazy things.
And I'm trying to get my head around like what's going on with these things. And I'm just looking around and checking it out. And after five minutes, I get really bored. And so I go back to the car because like it's time to leave. The kids are sleeping. They probably want to have a snack. My ex husband is freaking out in the car. Where were you? Where were you? What do you mean? Where was I was right over there? I literally walked up there and walked right back. It's been an hour and a half. Where were you? I didn't know where you were. I got out. I couldn't leave the kids. I didn't. He's freaking out because I vanished. That's for an hour and a half. No idea where I went. Don't have any recollection of it. Broad daylight and just bizarre things.

Speaker 1 - Host (Alan Steinfeld)
And you thought it was just like five minutes. Yeah. And wow. So are you scared about what happened? Not really. Do not when you're afraid. I mean, to go. You know, it's the type again, it's that type of thing where first of all that Malta trip, anyone who's interested in aliens go to Malta. Okay. That's like a bad whole trip. Yeah. Okay. That whole trip was was crazy. I mean, I had another experience at one of these temples where I saw seven being seven blue light beings. And then when I came out of this meditation, everyone, it was a hotel. It was a temple, an ancient temple in the middle of like a hotel lobby type of thing. When I came out of meditation, everybody who was on the balconies of the hotel, they had been sitting in meditation. It's very bizarre. And I'd seen these light beings and they showed me what these temples were all about back in the ancient times.
And they weren't temples, by the way, they were they were actually like education centers. And it was fascinating that. And then there were like tunes, almost like encounters of the, what is it, close encounters of the. Third, fourth, third, third, yeah. So you know the tune, do do do do do do do do do. So now that that wasn't the tune that was playing, but I kept hearing this tuning the whole time. I was in Malta and this weird whistling. And then we actually did see a craft in the sky. Even my ex has been saw the graph that time. So Malta is a lot of fun. Let's organize a trip. Okay. You can. Yes, let's get everyone to come. We'll do like a retreat retreat. Yes. There was a sense in my experience where I was frozen in time and space. And I woke up in the same position I went to bed in.
But in the middle of that, there was a moment of awaking was a car pass or car stopped and these couple. Out to pee or something. It's dark. And I remember waking up and then going back to sleep and the same waking up in the morning. As if I was frozen through the night suspended animation. So there are these. And then mark on the back of my leg, a four prong puncture mark that I didn't notice. But my mother who I think has had. Big note as she said, what's that more? I said, Oh, that must have been a spider bite or something like that. Yes. It's always the spider bite. But then I happened to meet Bud Hopkins, who was a abduction researcher in New York and his people confirm. Oh, yeah, that's an abduction mark. And that stuck me down the rabbit hole into inquiry.

Speaker 2 - Guest (Jess Herman)
I mean, I think the UFO stuff is much more interesting than the forever consciousness stuff because that's always be. That's of a mystery. Exactly. Like the consciousness stuff is like, okay, it's there. I absolutely agree with you because it's less. It's less connected to the human story. Right. So humans are at this cusp of discovering this amazing thing that we have been so cynical about. And I totally get that. I told you, thank you for putting that into words. Because it's yeah, it's like, OK, we have forever to be enlightened or awake. Now this moment in history is a huge turning point. And awakening to something more than ourselves incrementally instead of the. Talk to the vagarians about that. OK, tell them that. Yeah, no, absolutely. I mean, you know, that's the whole thing. That's also why Vagrion is very disinterested with the with the alien stuff, right?
Because again, if if it was the aliens who have helped me to be a messenger for them, it's not because the aliens are not important. It's simply because they have determined and you'd have to be pretty important to determine what's important for humanity, right? They've interpreted that like, OK, these messages coming from this source will land in a certain way because of course that's universal truth. So the same truth, though, the shoe for humans from Vagrion is true for the aliens from Vagrion respect for free will love self acceptance. They're you know, you can talk to a Pleiadian and from Vagrion's perspective, and it's exactly the same message. There's no change or you can talk to, you know, a man said from that perspective and there's no change, right? So it's not that the aliens are not important because they totally are to the storyline.
It's just that they're part of the storyline. Right. And that was my argument with one of these spiritual teachers who I started to go. What's the big deal? You know, it's all consciousness. It's all like, are you focusing on that? And when he would say that, he would put the whole situation outside of history would become right. We historical what I'm interested as humans evolving is the historic movement that we are in. I'm glad you're excited to because, you know, the history of the moment will open doors eventually to that pathway of, you know, pure consciousness for everyone. But we're moving through this moment of history that is fascinating. That's why humans have had an ever being. OK, but we'll just talk from humans because we're human as far as we know have had the beauty of being creators, right?
And you and I, the fact that we're having this conversation means that we have both created from our own individual pinhole perspective of consciousness. The storyline of disclosure is imminent, right? Or important anyway. Yeah. And simply the fact that we have chosen to add into the rich story and tapestry of our lives and this collective, this element of the unknown other friend being slash control power. Blubble, but we had the whole kibbutol of all of this, right?

Speaker 1 - Host (Alan Steinfeld)
And our government's hiding it from us and all that stuff. It is actually an enrichment to consciousness as opposed to something that is like the illusion. I don't like any spiritual teachers that talk about the illusion because, yes, it's all an illusion. Of course. The most important illusion you could ever create because that's the beauty of it. Yeah. So the enrichment, I agree with you. That's a good way of putting it because we are meeting the unknown in a historical way. I mean, we have forever to be infinite and that's great. And we already are. What story unfolding at this moment? That's what makes it exciting. Unknown and something to strive for within the disclosure movement, the infinite becoming finite within this reality and bled. We're on the same page there. Yeah, no, it's totally fun.
And like, who knows which way it's going to go with this, with our decisions that we're making on a collective level, even if you just look the past couple days, like, what kind of this, you know, what are we doing? What are we deciding to do in terms of our politics, in terms of our economy, in terms of our interaction with alien beings, in terms of very interaction with each other? And that is the exciting thing about being alive is getting to observe what your choices lead to. Well, I think you should not, I'm telling what to do, but I think you should talk about that point of movement between the infinite and the finite, the historical and the ahistorical. I mean, I think for me, that's really interesting because that's where we are now in time and space. We're working towards the infinite consciousness within an infinite domain, within a finite domain.
And yeah, it's not just how old does that play out, but how does the unfoldment of consciousness start to materialize manifest as the world and culture and society changes? Yeah. Right. I'm glad you appreciate that.

Speaker 2 - Guest (Jess Herman)
Absolutely. Absolutely. And I think, I mean, I love my alien friends. We get along really well. So, which alien friend do you have? You know, I don't even know, because I don't have names of the beings that I interact with, but you know, it's such, for me, when I do interact with these beings, it feels like going into the office. Like, it really feels like, tell me, how do you, you didn't mention that part, how you interacting with these things? No. Okay. So, I don't have, at least I don't know. Okay. So, there's always the vagueness, because you always have this like, vagueness that allows for the law of confusion, right? But, so I don't know if this is all telepathic or astral or actual physical. Exactly.
But I do know that when I do interact with them, it's like I go to the ship and I wait in a waiting room and I go into like a board meeting office where a lot of people who sort of are, have like decision making power in the thing, then check in with me, almost like a performance where we would in a company. Now, I don't work in corporate, but I imagine if you did, this is what it would be like. Like, it really feels like going to the corporate office and sort of get like, what are your next plans, you know? So, it's quite funny. It's quite funny. Oh, no, often. And how do they show up for you? Like, go through the process, you call on them or they say, no, point minutes here. So, how does it work that you, these alien friends, are they, are they here now?
So, at least sort of when I got out of the hybrid program, it was like a, almost felt like a request, like a formal request you have to make and like file paperwork for. And that was, you know, handled right away. In terms of when I started first started working with Vagrion and there was definitely at the very beginning sort of negotiation, it felt like I was, you know, dealing with the fact that I thought I was going crazy when I first started channeling. And then in my sleep state negotiation with whoever was connected with that as well, which wasn't VagrionAN, about whether or not I would be going ahead and taking that on as a conscious channel, as a trans channel, what was comfortable for me and kind of like, an onboarding process, walking me through it.
So, that was definitely like something that was going on while I was like, beginning my channeling process and also involving other starseeds, to be honest. I mean, the people that I first ran into that I first channeled for, they were all Pleiadian. I mean, I swear, like, you can look at them and physically, they were just, it was just a group of Pleiadians that somehow found themselves in a room ready to listen to channeling, which was the craziest thing. I mean, some of them were main friends, but,

Speaker 1 - Host (Alan Steinfeld)
you know, it was very unusual. Definitely come to an expo, put you on a star seat, or being, but are these beings around you all the time? Can we like, are you referencing,

Speaker 2 - Guest (Jess Herman)
are they there with you now? No, no, I think they're on ships. I think they're actually quite physical ones that I inserted. They are, but they also can be in two places. Yeah, but I don't like, I wouldn't feel them in that. In fact, I've told them, I think I have a quite strong boundary, like, I don't want them to just turn up in the living room. Like, I don't want to have any fear. I don't want to have any surprise. I don't like the sensation of adrenaline at all. So, I don't want to have any surprise ever. Yes. So, when do they show up? How do you sleep? State. I believe in sleep. Yeah. Or between sleep and awakened state.

Speaker 1 - Host (Alan Steinfeld)
So, yeah, I know a whole separate question I want to talk is that I've been hanging, well, not sort of hanging out, but I've been meeting these artistic kids, these nonverbal istic, right? And they are already so connected to these other beings. Have you had any experience

Speaker 2 - Guest (Jess Herman)
with them or that? I haven't, but from the information that sometimes will come through a fact name, people don't ask directly about this, but they have talked, when they've talked to people who have asked to see children, they have very clear explanations for that sort of patterning or whatever you would want to call it. I don't know if you want to call it. Yeah. Well, they say that these are people who have chosen to come in to break the system. Mm-hmm. And they have certain abilities, coupled with certain what seems to us to be disadvantages, that are here specifically to break the systems that would not be able to be broken otherwise, that their psychic abilities far superior to ours, that they have the ability to interact at a different end, essentially, that they are the beginning of a new species.

Speaker 1 - Host (Alan Steinfeld)
Right. Have you heard the Telepathy Tapes? I have not. No. Everyone keeps talking to me about them. Well, you should hear them because that confirms everything you just said. Okay. Yeah. So that's what that we're in saying as well. Very telepathic. And I asked my interview, I've interviewed one of these autistic people who says he's, he says it's hard to, he writes it out because he's nonverbal, which is, I think, his right brain is much more activated than his left brain. So he writes out, it's hard to believe by him, flying many ships, he's like, actually, so I don't know what to do with that.

Speaker 2 - Guest (Jess Herman)
It is. Well, we are able to, so there's the other aspect that sort of, now again, my human personality is very good at deciding to ignore most of the experiences that I have, whether they be paranormal or alien, because of my desire to be in the human experience so fully. We're not listening to human personality. No, so I will talk to you about like the, the ability, that ability to be in more than one place, right? So we are, and can be, and most of us are simultaneously incarnate and other things, right? So there is a incarnate same essence of me on a ship all the time. Now, the interesting thing is, is that same essence of me on a ship all the time, he's not actually related to the ones that I interact with in this human experience. They're not, it's not like they're one of the managers in that same group that I work with.
It's literally another storyline related to this one that's actually not related to that one. So it's very interesting the way the intricacies of your essence can be playing out on different fields. So just as the human has the alien interactions with this particular collective group, Confederation, whatever you want to call it. And then there's also another alien body that's acting in different aspects that actually has my essence incarnate on that ship. Well, that sounds like parallel dimensions. There's like, yes, we're all multi-dimensional, and we're just aware of this human self, but we actually all are. That's why we know each other so well, Jess. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 - Host (Alan Steinfeld)
Together. There you go. You're driving. I've got the popcorn. I like to drive, but you can drive occasionally. But, no, but um, so, but there's one more, I think element is that what we think our physical body is, there's more to that actually, when I've been like brought on ships in this body, you kind of go through walls. So yeah, talk about the multi-dimensional aspect of physicality. Can you tune into that?

Speaker 2 - Guest (Jess Herman)
So again, there's more space in your body than there is matter, right? So it's easy when you have the ability and it is psychic ability more than technology. We will first come across it as technology, but it is more psychic ability than technology. There is the ability to simply interlace the same way, you know, interlacing the matter with other matter, because it's all the same thing. So it's an expansion in the non-space of getting in between what we would consider particles, because it's on such, it's a mathematics, because it's just energy. So, um, yes, we have the perception of physical, but actually even your fingernail isn't touching your finger, you know, even your eyelash is not attached to your face. It's just kind of held there by consciousness, like, nothing keeping you together except for consciousness, which is crazy, because we think that we're consistently a thing.
Um, you know, being a channel has been really great to understand my physical vessel as well, because I'm extremely aware that what I am as an essence is not actually what I am as a brain. The brain is fantastic, amazing computer. The personality even, again, it's chemical, right? It's all chemical. It's the essence that manages all those chemicals and can dance in those chemicals and uses those chemicals. So what we would call our soul or our essence is what makes you you and then you have a certain palette to paint with, but you're not at all connected to your physical vessel, your personality or your brain. Well, I do see a little differently because some we're manifesting that the soul is manifesting the physical and the and so it's a output of the soul's desire to be in this world. So it's a, it's a byproduct of of cell. It is so I mean, free part of your soul is in each cell.
It's an expression of that essence definitely. Like I said, it's the, it's the palette you paint the canvas with, right? So it's beautiful in terms of that for sure. But because when I go into, into trance, what remains of what I understand as myself is detached from physical and mental and the brain, it's very, very interesting to see, well, okay, what's left when there's no physical brain or mental and there definitely is something. And then when I can watch back my videos and I see that green coming through, it's very clear to me that that is the same palette, but being used by another painter. It's like you painted it off. And so to see that you kind of go, Oh, okay, interesting. And it gave me tons of respect for my body and it gave me tons of respect for my brain. Like it's an amazing thing to have a brain. It's amazing things have a body. So that is not just your higher self.
It's actually a separate entities entities. Yeah, it's it would be a separate. How would I describe it? And being a separate bandwidth of energy that animates? Yes. And that and you leave, you leave, and then you're back. So you don't remember your vagran sessions. Yeah. So your full chain brain remembers. So like I said, I have visuals, my brain can remember. So the part of the brain that isn't verbal is also getting the transmission. And that part seems to retain better memory than the verbal part. So I will if they're talking about a butcher shop, they like to talk, sometimes they like to do this on purpose. They'll talk about something very graphic. They'll just say butcher shop. And I will see the full butcher shop and smell the butcher shop and almost have the taste of the the iron in my mouth of the butcher shop.
And and that I can remember but I don't know why they were talking about a butcher shop. I don't know what the analogy was unless the person in front of me is like, Oh my God, they talked about the butcher shop. Then I'll get like a little, okay, all right. Okay, I can connect the dots here.

Speaker 1 - Host (Alan Steinfeld)
So taking that idea of soul essence and the idea that we're on board the ships somewhere in another dimension, that's the essence that is also vacating, but is also present. Yes, exactly. It's it's the equivalent of a melody or one sound in an orchestra. I believe that's that's really what we are. How many other places we are in life times that are still being lived. And absolutely. Okay, sorry, I mean, to take over the driving of the ship. No, and beautiful. I love

Speaker 2 - Guest (Jess Herman)
that you're like totally connecting it. And you know, that's it. I mean, I have a deep belief that when you do connect with someone, right, we talk, we always have about past lives. We talk about them in terms of like, Oh, it was previously like as if we have linear time. I really believe that when people connect, right, what you're actually seeing is your own essence in a quote past life, but just happens to be on the same screen as you at the same time. So it's really beautiful to sort of like say like, okay, well, I am Alan. Right. You know, like, green. And that is really how you get closer to unity consciousness. Really understanding like, okay, that means your success is my success. Your pain is my pain. I've been you in every lifetime up until now and you've been me in every lifetime until now. And when you can really start to feel into that, you're like, wow, everyone else.
So I think that's why maybe I'm just seeing that picture like you're living in time and you're living outside of time. Yeah, exactly. And that's the magic mystery of existence in time, temporal and a temporal beings. And what we're coming to with these telepathy kids who are already outside of time, because they and the ETs and your is that we are all that. And most people are just obsessed with time and possession, reality, but if we can have a foot in both worlds, which is what your variants are doing and a lot of spiritual teachings, then then we have a balanced perspective because we're here to enjoy ourselves

Speaker 1 - Host (Alan Steinfeld)
and manifest our desires and they have great experiences. And also, you know, play in these other realms. So yes, for sure. So the ETs, let's just go back to them because they're on another level. We see violent, but they're still experiential in time. But what is it? Maybe it's not the same sense of time we have or what do you think is different about their qualities of experience

Speaker 2 - Guest (Jess Herman)
versus like, you know, humans? So my understanding is that while they can use time as a tool, it doesn't control them the same way it controls humans. So they can experience time. They choose to experience time often, but they can also easily understand that that is related to the physical, it is related to the matter plane, and they are mostly non physical. So it's really, you know, it really does become like a sandbox to play then. You just like, you've got the bucket and you can play with the bucket and also choose not to play with the bucket, you know, but you're not believing you're in the desert. You know, you're in a sandbox, you know, you're creating and that's the difference.
And that's really, I think what our evolution is, we're attempting to step from limited or believing ourselves to be these limited beings to going, okay, we're the infinite creator who happens to use matter and time and gravity and, you know, relation to create reality, which is really, really beautiful when you think about it. Right. The thing I'm getting

Speaker 1 - Host (Alan Steinfeld)
from what you're saying is that it doesn't have to be a struggle to create. It doesn't have to struggle. It's no fact it isn't. Which is what the old programming of time, space, physicality would tell you. But the thing is, it's a pleasure to create. And, and, you know, I've been sort of stuck in like creating, like writing and then thinking, Oh, I've to start over and all that. And it's like, it's like, I think that's just old programming that is, and I think I can just make it easier and

Speaker 2 - Guest (Jess Herman)
simpler and more direct. Well, the truth is, is like, what, you know, Abraham Hicks says that you can create a button like a castle. I think you can even simplify that statement. You're already creating anyway. Right. Like if we could just remember that no matter what is occurring in your experience, you put it there. Right. Then you have to, you have to see like the magnificence of everything around you. You know, you created all of those fruit in the supermarket. You grew all the trees that grew all of the fruit in the supermarket. Like when you sort of stop and let it go like, wait a minute, how did, how did all of this get here? Right. And you have to recognize like, okay, I created it all. Then you're like, look how powerful I am. I created like not only mangoes, but also bananas. Like, and your brain starts to understand that you do have power.
So it's really important about retraining. No, but I think what I'm stuck or gotten stuck is the habits of creating, like, Oh, you have to do this. It has to take a certain amount of time. Yeah, no. There's a when yes, a supermarket is instant and all that. So it's like, it's what Joe dispenser said that breaking the habit of being yourself is like the ways that you think you have to create and know that it's just boom. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And that gets fun. And that's again, that's comes back to the story. Like, why am I not so interested in, you know, exploring these things that have happened to me? Because every day miracles are happening to me. Like every day on the even on the human level, like I don't even know if I have enough time to think about the aliens. Because like, today I like went in the garden and my neighbor got a new dog.
Like, to me, that's as mind blowing as being abducted today, because like, I got that dog all of a sudden, I've never seen like, it's to me, that's how I experience things. So right now I get that. And yeah, every moment of creation, but then there's intention, right, which is what I'm working with now to get over. You have to do something. I just switch some interior programming that has to be done this way. And it could only be right. So that helps you and the Vagrions. Yeah. Well, I'll tell you, because you were talking about writing a book, I'll tell you what vagran said to me. So for a long time, they've been talking about this new book. In fact, since the first book, they were talking about the book called a call to change. Okay. And in the meantime, I published another book, which was the insight book, and I published a planner book, and I published all these other things, right?
But this call to change book was always grading on me. And I was thinking like, when is the writing gonna happen? You know, because I know that working with them, I'm not gonna like force myself to sit down. It has to happen the way. And so, and I'm thinking, Oh God, you know, it must be that I have to do all the transmissions, and then I have to organize all the transmissions like I did with the first book, the first book was like cutting it up, pasting it back together, right? And one day they were just like, you fool, like, I just got a transmission with them, you fool, like, why are you assuming that you know anything about how this book is going to come and when and why and why it's going to come in that moment? And I was like, what? Like, that's such a weird thing. Like the first book was like this, and they're like, it's now, right? The first book doesn't even exist anymore.
You know, you're not going to write the book in the same way you wrote the last one, because you're a completely different person. The humanities are completely different humanity. Everything is completely new. So what's stopping you from the day you're meant to write it and publish it doing it in like one sitting. Right. And from the minute they said that to me, I was like, Oh, that's exactly how it's going to happen. One day I'm going to sit down, and I'm going to sit there for however many hours, and I'm going to stand up in the book, it's going to be just it's going to have appeared out of nowhere, you know. So letting go of my belief that I know what's going on has always served me. Well, that hasn't happened yet though. Not yet. No, but you know, but it took away all the stress and all the strain of it.
You know, and in the meantime, they've suggested another book, which they also gave me the information how that book is going to come about. So you know, I've been tasked with other things to do, but the call to change book is still going to be in its perfect timing arriving when, you know, it needs to arrive. Right. In the perfect narration. Yeah. Well, that helps me. Thank you for sharing

Speaker 1 - Host (Alan Steinfeld)
that. So your big goal now is to just, like you said before, just putting out the message, putting up people, shifting yourself, merging with a higher sense. I mean, because you're doing this for yourself, you're doing it for your, I mean, in a sense, everyone does everything for themselves. Yeah, absolutely. You're gaining more awareness of the bigger picture. Absolutely. And as your family benefiting some of your children,

Speaker 2 - Guest (Jess Herman)
I mean, because your children are, like I said, I think before we started recording that my kids have recently turned into these, you know, our relationship went from like, you know, normal parent child relationship recently, it's turned into this like very much an essence dance between us and it's so fulfilling and it's so gorgeous. And I don't know if it's older now, 9 and 15 right. But I really feel now that like they're recognizing me as an essence and I'm recognizing them as an essence and like we're, we've got a really cool little flow going on, which is feeling super good to me. So I'm very happy with that. Good, good. So is there anything else you want to say about your ET contact anything you haven't shared any like really intense moments that maybe we're a little frightened?
No, but for sure, like now we're going to get off this column and I'm going to have a visitation with them immediately or something like that. Have a conversation with them now. I'm serious. I mean, yeah, off the call and what visitation do you expect to? No, no, I'm joking. But I will say that like, so it was in Florida last year and I went to this, actually, you know, you'll appreciate those passovers, a passover last year went to the Khabad, right? But it was it was not a normal Khabad evening. Okay, because I walk into this place and I'm with my friend, Shatai, and we walk into this place and there isn't a single Khabad member around. Not nobody. Okay. And it's a room full of, I think they're released four of the people you were talking about earlier, like nonverbal autistic people. Okay.
And then the rest of the people there were very unusual people sort of like, you know, when you like, what, what is going on? Like, how did this particular motley crew get put together? I know a strange experience. I showed up in Turner like that once everyone looked like it was like, yeah, okay. And there was even a gentleman there who's like, face didn't fit right. And like, okay, like, maybe it's in the property that maybe like, they didn't get the suit on properly. I'm like, my friend, we're like, we're trying to enjoy this. But I swear that this was, it was a sealed room. There were no windows in this room and nothing about it made sense. Nothing about it made sense. It felt like a holodeck that was like attempting to be what we were expecting. But I swear there wasn't even a service. Like, we're trying, you know, fast. We're talking about like, it's supposed to be a passover dinner.
There wasn't even a guy singing like, it was so weird. Okay. And, um, and everyone kept coming up to me and my friend. And I just finished channeling all day because it was during the channeling conference that I was doing in Florida. I just finished a people kept coming up and the questions that they were having, not about channeling. They didn't even know I was a channel. We're so bizarre. It's like they were trying to get counsel or study us or something like that. And we literally just laughed the whole dinner because she and I both knew what was going on. We were totally in some sort of simulation experiment with beings that were definitely not just such an unusual experience. So then when we left, um, we're, we're driving home and we're both kind of looking at each other going like this is odd. And you know, up in the sky, we see a craft. And, uh, it was pretty big.
It was kind of like the one on your book, right? Right behind your head. And it was pretty big. And there were some skyscrapers. What time, what time in Florida were you in? Uh, in Orlando. Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. So it's not far from Cape Canaveral and all that and stuff. So, so you think, yeah, I might you see what what we say. We see it. We see a craft in the sky, but it's, um, it's one of those, it's one of those situations where she and I both know it's on fire and I craft like it was definitely lit up. But someone else might go like, no, that could be an anomaly or a satellite or a cloud or like, you know what I mean? It's like one of those situations where it's so obvious to me, but someone else could probably find a way to sort of justify it. Right?
And I say to her, we're driving down the highway and I say to her, like, there's a building, there's a building coming up, like a vertical building and it's going to go behind the building, you know, in terms of perspective. I said, I bet you anything. It's not there when we get out the other side of the building. And she's like, Oh, yeah, that would be so funny. And of course, low and behold, that's exactly what happened. Had it been a cloud or a satellite or whatever, it would still be there, right? But we had stated this is what the reality is going to present. And that's what that's what happened. So those types of things happen every now and again.

Speaker 1 - Host (Alan Steinfeld)
Again, I take everything so lightly because I feel like that's what keeps me on mission. And that's what keeps me able to channel and not get too much down the rabbit hole of like, what happened to me in the past? What is going on? What keeps you on mission? The fact that these things coming back that I take things lightly, the fact that I take things lightly, and that I consistently am able to kind of look at the thing and not get freaked out. And I think that's part of the training that I had, like I can pretty much look at any, any paranormal experience, any alien experience and go like, okay. And I think that that also is something that, um, if you want to have more contact, right? If you want to have more content, more alien experiences, so this is for your audience, yes, learn to get very comfortable with it as if someone is bringing you door dash.
Like it's really that casual energy because the minute you allow yourself to get either excited or scared, you're giving that signal back to them that you're not quite ready. Okay. If you want to be on board, you want to have more of these conversations, you want to be able to make friends with these beings, you want to be able to spend time with them, profit from their energy, be trained by them, or whatever it is, you've got to learn to control your emotional state around that topic. Right. No, I think that's really good. Bashar or Darryll used to say, put a picture of an alien

Speaker 2 - Guest (Jess Herman)
out your window. So when you look at it, you see that and then you get used to freak out. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's good advice to just, they don't, yeah, I guess like overexcited is a distortion as well. It is. Yeah, it is. Yeah, it absolutely is. Yeah, even like the happiness element or the sort of the sort of jumping to, oh, this is it because, yeah, great. In that moment, you have elation and also because the frequencies are so high, you know, like you all your physical vessel also have physical responses to some of these beings. And that is something also, and it feels like when Vary's coming into a channeling event, especially in a group channel event, one on one's, it's less. But when they're doing a group channeling event, if you see me talking at the beginning of these events, I'm not able to be really coherent with people.
Like I can't remember what I was meant to say unless I have a list of the thing. I am so speedy. Like my speech speeds up and everything because they're so fast transmissions that my brain has to get on, you know, it's kind of like, it's winding up to be able to channel. So alien energy has all kinds of different ranges of speediness that you, if you want to interact with them, have to match. So you're gonna, your physical vessel might feel, you might feel sick, you might have that sensation of, um, how can I describe the sensation I used to have as a kid before things would happen? It's, oh, you know, um, there's like a, what is it? People with like epilepsy, they talk about auras. Oh, right. You start to feel a little weird, right? It's a little like something. Okay. Like something like a, a spidey senses or like just a tingling or like whatever.
And that's an indication to not to tell you they're around, but it's like, it's testing your physical, your physical system to see how receptive you are to actually having that experience, right? Because if you're not super receptive, then you'll be filled with fear or anxiety or something else. What would be like, what's going on? Because it is a very physical response. So, you know, we're all, we're all in for I think very soon a lot of these experiences. And the more chill you can become within that's why we have so many TV shows about aliens too. Like like this is what it is. It's prep. You know, I agree. I agree. That's what my next book is about prepping for content. Yeah. Yeah. I'd love people to go over the website. I've got tons of

Speaker 1 - Host (Alan Steinfeld)
stuff on YouTube. So feel free to binge watch that website website is www.jpherman.com. And there you will find out all kinds of things. And then there's also my podcast in which I have an episode with you on my some kind of mystic podcast that is on the website as well. And what kind of mystic some kind of mystic that must be you. Yes. Well, no, it's all about actually. We're all some kind of mystic. Have you interviewed on that show? Oh, I've had Sheila Gillette. I've had Brian Scott. I've had Daniel Scranton. I've had all sorts of energy healers, sound healers. You should talk to Marilyn. Marilyn Gavicke, you channels as six or multi-dimensions. Absolutely. I'm always looking for contacts. Put me in touch with everyone. Put me in touch with them. You'll like her. She's similar to you and very human, very compassionate, very feeling-loving and then also dropping into this other realm.
Thank you for being so connected. I

Speaker 2 - Guest (Jess Herman)
feel like we have a connection. Oh, you know that, you know. No, that's right. It's so immediate. It's like, yeah, I guess the first time I did see you, I I knew you. I knew that. Yeah, yeah. We just walked out to each other and was like, Chate Chate Chate. Chate Chate, Chate Chate, hi, how you been? Yeah. That happens a lot. Well, not so much as you, but don't say that it happens to you a lot though, because you're- Yeah, it can do. It can do. But it is very selective. Like, I don't, that doesn't tend to happen and it end up being a mistake. Do you know what I mean? Like, I meet a lot of people. I get along with a lot of people, but when it's like, like it was with you, it's like, okay, you're just one of my people. You always happen. You always look good. That's it. You're overcoming that part. They're a little shy. They're a little shy. I don't know.
But anyway, thank you so much for the work you do between insights you have, the smile on your face, everything that you're dedicated to, the help, and you know, really contributing to evolution. And, okay, so, bag reans, look for them. And the website is jpeherman.com. Yes, it is. Thanks so much, Alan. Well, thank you and thank everyone for watching,

Speaker 1 - Host (Alan Steinfeld)
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