[00:00] Speaker 1: (music) Good afternoon, everybody. This is the Reverend Blake Ruby from San Antonio, Texas. Welcome to my show, the Church for Soul Evolution. I have a guest with me today. His name is Preston Dennett. He's the author of 32 UFO books, and a man just like myself who knows without a doubt in his mind that we are not alone in the universe. And today we're gonna talk with him, and we're gonna find out some more about some of these beings that are out there. And, oh my God, they are so incredible. And Preston, welcome.

[01:16] Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Thanks for having me on.

[01:20] Speaker 1: Preston, is it true, do you think that here on earth, all this life, all the different species, over a million types of insects, over 30,000 types of fish in these oceans, seas, rivers, and lakes, over 10,000 types of birds, over 10,000 types of reptiles, over 9,000 types of amphibians, over 5,000 types of mammals. Well, for one thing, if all that life happened by accident, it's logical to assume it could happen by accident anywhere in the universe since they're discovering more and more planets each day with the Kepler and James Webb Space Telescopes. But all that life I mentioned, do you think, in your opinion, after seeing some of your videos and, and reading a little bit about you that there's a process of evolution going on in our universe, which is a tremendously and incomprehensibly huge place. And this life here on earth is also elsewhere in different stages of evolution, like the praying mantis, insectoids, and the grays, and all the different types of extraterrestrials.

[02:28] Speaker 1: There's even feline. You know, there is a dog ETs, feline ETs, there ... Any animal you can think of on earth might be living on another planet at some stage in evolution where it has gotten up on its hind legs, and over the thousands and perhaps millions of years has reached a level of evolution where they have transcended their planet and began voyaging through outer space, and doing what everyone likes to do best, explore. What do you think?

[03:07] Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think it would be the height of arrogance, honestly, to think that we are alone in this universe. I think most mainstream scientists even agree, even if they're skeptical of the UFO and ET phenomenon, agree that we couldn't possibly be the only ones. And just taking a look at the night sky and seeing all those stars out there, I think we have a little bit of an idea of just how vast this universe is, that the chances of us being alone are virtually nil, infinitesimal. And I also think if you take a look, an objective look, not through the lens of prior beliefs, at the evidence that we have collected over the past 100 years alone, I think it speaks very loudly that we are not alone.

[03:58] Speaker 2: And, uh, the reports that are coming in from people all over the planet, which are really remarkable in their consistency of detail, reporting humanoids, people very much like us, I'd say much more like us than different, really show exactly what (laughs) you know, has to be true, (laughs) that we are not alone. Uh, and, and I find it fascinating that so many people do report details that are just strikingly similar, to a point that I think we can absolutely exclude any possibility of hoaxes or anything like that, mental illness, misperceptions, and so forth. Yeah, we... There's no way we are alone. And I think the evidence speaks very clearly that we are being visited.

[04:49] Speaker 1: Preston, do you think the, uh, the media nowadays is kind of, um, holding back what they know, and they're not really reporting the truth, that they don't want to, uh ... I've heard this before, that there are some people that are within the, the major news stations whose job it is to suppress information about the truth regarding extraterrestrials. And do you think that, um, the world would be a better place, a different place if we knew without a doubt that we had scientifically proven, you know, if, like, ET decided to land in, in that movie The Day The Earth Stood Still, and made contact? Would, would be, would we be in a better place, do you think?

[05:45] Speaker 2: I do. I don't think there's anything to benefit by covering up the truth. Uh, it just breeds distrust, paranoia, fear, and I think that the media have been largely complicit with this. I'm not sure that they are necessarily the folks directly behind the cover-up,-... but that there is a cover-up is demonstrably true and we know the media is towing the party line. This has been proven. There's a gentleman by the name... I forget his first name. His last name is Hansen. He wrote a book called The Missing Times and he showed very clearly, in black and white, that many mainstream media outlets absolutely quash any stories having to do with UFOs. Some manage to squeeze through because they're undeniable. (laughs) Too many witnesses, too much evidence. But by and large, the media does not cover UFO subjects. That's changed quite a bit over the past few years but even now, even with these Congressional hearings, we are not getting the whole truth of this subject.

[06:55] Speaker 2: I think the world would be a much better place. It's very interesting because back in 1947 when the so-called Roswell UFO crash happened in New Mexico, there was a press release that went nationwide, really worldwide, that we finally had captured a flying saucer. And of course, they retracted it the next day but if they had not retracted it, and we were allowed to study the subject without all the gaslighting and the ridicule and the fear and the disinformation surrounding the subject, I think we'd be in a much different place. The ETs are incredibly advanced. I think that's one thing almost all researchers do agree upon, and it offers us such a tremendous, unparalleled, unprecedented opportunity to advance human knowledge in so many different fronts. Everything from spirituality to medicine, to astronomy, to all the hard sciences. Uh, it's a lost opportunity but really, this... it's such a shame that this tr- subject isn't treated with more openness and transparency.

[08:11] Speaker 2: Sooner or later, this cover-up will end. Disclosure will happen simply for one reason only. You cannot hide the truth forever.

[08:23] Speaker 1: Yes. Right. Do you know Dr. Steven Greer?

[08:28] Speaker 2: Oh, sure. Yeah. I mean, we're not like good friends but we certainly, uh... I've talked to him many, many times. I've met him several times. Uh, yeah, I'm very familiar with him.

[08:39] Speaker 1: He's an amazing person. Would you say he's probably... I know he's the head of The Disclosure Project but as far as knowledge of ETs and their propulsion systems and different types of ETs, would you say he's like one of the top (sighs) people in the world with that knowledge? Maybe you can talk yourself.

[09:00] Speaker 2: Well, I can't say it's... Yeah. I, I... (laughs) I can't say I, I agree with everything he says, uh, and I think that's probably (laughs) true for most researchers. Not all of us agree on all things. He's certainly a very influential researcher, uh, and, uh, has done very important work in terms of the disclosure movement. Absolutely. Uh, I do have some really researchers that I respect, uh, a great deal. You know, Dr. James McDonald, he's no longer with us.

[09:35] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[09:36] Speaker 2: Um, JL Hynek also passed on. I love the earlier researchers, Jim and Coral Lorenzen. These were the folks who really blazed the path forward-

[09:47] Speaker 1: Yep.

[09:47] Speaker 2: ... uh, and gave this subject leg- legitimacy. Well, I should say some of the legitimacy (laughs) that we enjoy today.

[09:56] Speaker 1: Mm.

[09:57] Speaker 2: Uh, there's some really good researchers out there right now. Don't get me wrong. I also love Barbara Lamb, uh, Kathleen Marden, she's another researcher I really respect. Michael Schratt, he's doing amazing work in terms of the UFO crash retrieval field. So I think all of us play an important role, uh, because what we're dealing (laughs) with is a subject that, again, is being viciously covered up. People have lost their lives over this.

[10:27] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[10:28] Speaker 2: So it's going take an army of researchers to get the truth out.

[10:34] Speaker 1: Yes. Um, I think for the people who really don't want to do the research, it... to them, they don't believe. The non-believers, they just... aren't really willing to do the research because the evidence is there. There's so much evidence, it's undeniable. And, uh, one thing when you were talking about Roswell, uh, Major Jeffrey Marcel, who recovered the wreckage there of that spacecraft and later had to change his story that it was a weather balloon, and he was told to be quiet and not talk about it, but just before he died on his deathbed, and there's a video of it, he said he was told to lie to cover that up. And I mean, what more evidence... uh, why would a man lie on his deathbed, you know, with just a few more days left of life? He told the truth. "Yeah, I did recover parts of a flying saucer and, and there were some alien bodies that were recovered." Why? I think it's just because, uh, as I mentioned, the, the mainstream media depresses it, you know?

[11:57] Speaker 1: But the evidence is out there, and that's what you present in your material. Time after time, different instances. I was reading about the... or I was watching the video of the, um... you've got quite a few-... encounters, but last one I was looking at was the, um, two boys up in Langley, British Columbia, who, um, had an encounter with a, a praying mantis, insectoid. And I know they're out there. And have you ever s- ever heard of a YouTube channel called AstroLegendsTV?

[12:39] Speaker 2: Uh, it's not ringing a bell, but yeah, I-

[12:42] Speaker 1: You oughta check it out. Uh, it's pretty cool. Um, they've got, um, I mean, some of it seems to be way out in right field, but they've got like four videos of different types of ETs within the Milky Way galaxy. And, um, I mean, as I mentioned before, that there are many, many species of cat ETs, you know, that evolved to the point where they're standing on their feet and they've got heads of lions or tigers or cheetahs or jaguars, you know, and, and they've got-

[13:16] Speaker 2: All right.

[13:16] Speaker 1: ... humanoids.

[13:16] Speaker 2: I haven't seen any clips of that, for sure. Yeah, I, I'm right with you. It's the evidence at this point is mountainous. It's undeniable. Those who are skeptical of this subject, honestly, have not done their homework. They've not done their research. And I stand by that statement because this is not just anecdotal eyewitness testimony, which, by the way, I think we have enough to prove this subject in a court of law. But we have, you know, hundreds upon hundreds, well, really, it's thousands, of landing trace cases. There's the radar visual cases where these objects have been caught on radar. The photographic evidence is very persuasive. There's medical evidence. I wrote a whole book about people who are healed as a result of a UFO encounter. And this is really undeniable evidence. But we have implant removals as well, uh, which show very unusual properties to these objects that have been placed in people's bodies. And, of course, animal reactions.

[14:20] Speaker 2: There's a substance called angel hair that not a lot of people know about, a sort of spiderweb, almost cotton candy-type substance that's emitted from UFOs or ha- caused by a reaction to the atmosphere, to the plasma fields surrounding these crafts. At any rate, this has been collected and studied in a laboratory setting and found to be very unusual. So the evidence is there. And it breaks my heart when I see people like Jesse Marcel, tears in his eyes, telling-

[14:55] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[14:55] Speaker 2: ... you know, finally finding the courage to tell the truth. I've talked to a number of whistleblowers myself who were quite literally on their deathbed and finally felt it was time to do their duty, their patriotic duty, to tell the truth and let all humanity know, because we all deserve to know the truth. Uh, it's im- you know, I find it crazy that the folks behind the coverup feel like they can handle the truth and we can't. I'm not even sure that's the driving force behind the coverup. I honestly think it's greed, power, control. You know, money's often the bottom line. But the huge number of cases, to me, presents the best evidence out there 'cause it's ... I mean, e- even in terms of onboard UFO encounters, which really dives to the heart of this phenomena, you used to think those were quite rare. I think a lot of researchers are now reversing their opinions. J.

[15:59] Speaker 2: Allen Hynek, father of modern ufology, was quoted as saying, "One in 40 people have had an onboard experience." I heard that very early on in my research, back in the 1980s. I thought, "Wow. (laughs) That's, that's a lot." It was in 1991 that the Roper Organization, this is a formal professional polling organization, did a survey with a lot of people, a very large sample, and found that about one in 50 people sh- showed the markers of being a UFO contactee, of having been onboard. But the point is, there are millions upon millions of people having these experiences. And if you look at the database of just MUFON, the Mutual UFO Network, and NUFORC, the National UFO Reporting Center, here in the US alone, together they have well over 200, almost 300,000 UFO reports.

[17:00] Speaker 2: And you can add-

[17:02] Speaker 1: Wow.

[17:02] Speaker 2: (laughs) Yeah. You could add CUFOS, the Center for UFO Studies. You could add NICAP, National Investigative Committee of Aerial Phenomena, APRO, the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization. Again, this is just the US. So we're now looking at a worldwide database of probably, more accurately, several million documented encounters. But people always ask me, like, "Why don't the ETs disclose?" I think they have. I think they've done their part. Really, the rest is up to us 'cause they have shown themselves to so many people.

[17:41] Speaker 1: Yes. I'm sure you've heard of Travis Walton and that movie Fire in Heaven.

[17:48] Speaker 2: I have, yeah.

[17:48] Speaker 1: I mean, what-

[17:49] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a long one.

[17:49] Speaker 1: ... more do people want? I mean, the man was abduct... gone for five days. They thought that he'd been killed by his coworkers, and he just didn't disappear anywhere and come back five days later, you know, with a growth beard on his face. And, and his story, you know, afterward, him and all his coworkers taking multiple lie detector tests-... and passing each time, except for, I forget his name, Alan, um, the, uh, one, the guy that he w- was having trouble with, you know, would get into fights with. And they didn't get along well. His lie detector tests were inconclusive sometimes, but the rest of them, six, seven of his coworkers, those loggers, passed multiple lie detector tests saying that they saw a flying saucer and they saw it hit Travis with a ... Well, he probably stepped into the electro- electromagnetic field which was underneath the spacecraft when it was interacting with the, the magnetic field of the Earth, you know. And he didn't realize that. He got too close.

[19:03] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[19:03] Speaker 1: They thought it was a beam, you know, and, um, a weapon and they took off because they thought they're probably gonna get shot next with that same weapon. But, I mean, that's evidence to me, that whole story, that ... And, and watching Travis on videos and appearing on Larry King Live, I mean, this man is telling the truth. But then there are people like Philip Glass, I'm sure you've heard of him, who are ...

[19:29] Speaker 1: (laughs)

[19:30] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.

[19:33] Speaker 1: And, um, by the way, I, I knew Stanton Friedman and he was a good man.

[19:38] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.

[19:38] Speaker 1: I met him one time. He was from my hometown where I, when I lived in New Brunswick, Canada, from Fredericton, New Brunswick. I lived there from '62 to '68. I'm almost 72. I'll be 72 in August. But he was a, a great man, you know, for the cause. And he was-

[19:58] Speaker 2: Wow. I hear all-

[19:58] Speaker 1: I think he wrote a book, um, After Roswell, um, if I can remember the title correctly. But-

[20:06] Speaker 2: Yeah. Stanton Friedman-

[20:06] Speaker 1: He would-

[20:07] Speaker 2: ... was a truth scientist who objectively studied the subject. I had the wonderful honor of meeting him as well. And, uh, a good researcher, for sure. It's always nice when we have scientists entering this field. It takes a lot of courage for people to put their reputation online, such as Travis Walton. He suffered intensely for co- after coming forward, even though he had a lot of witnesses (laughs) to support him. It's a tremendous case, uh, very well authenticated. Uh, it's just amazing to me that so many people really don't talk about this. The vast majority of peoples who have this experience do not talk about it because they don't wanna be ridiculed. They don't wanna be disbelieved. This has broken apart families. Uh, I've talked to many people who only agreed to talk to me under the condition of absolute anonymity.

[21:07] Speaker 2: They, they'll tell me things, like, "You know, I haven't told my spouse." I've gotten them, they always say some caveat of, like, "There's no history of mental illness in my family. I've got a good job. I'm well-educated," something along these lines, because this is what we're up against here. So kudos to Travis for coming forward. He really didn't have a, much of a choice. His case was already very much publicized before he was even (laughs) returned, uh, but yeah, I got, I had the opportunity to speak with him as well.

[21:41] Speaker 1: Wow.

[21:41] Speaker 2: He had quite a somatic encounter and I'm very pleased to now hear that he sort of realized that, this is his impression, that the ETs were essentially saving his life. And I've come to realize, having interviewed a lot of people who've had this kind of experience, that one of the reasons people are taken onboard is all about healing. I wrote a book-

[22:07] Speaker 1: Yeah. Good.

[22:07] Speaker 2: ... called The Healing Power of UFOs. It documents some 300 cases all over the world, reaching back more than 100 years, of people healed of just about everything you can think of. I mean, everything from-

[22:22] Speaker 1: Is that-

[22:22] Speaker 2: ... little cuts, cuts, scolds, and bruises to colds, to much more serious illnesses, which is very encouraging to me.

[22:29] Speaker 1: Yeah. That's a good point, too. I mean, they weren't violent in any way. They were just trying to heal him because, you know, his body had been burnt, you know, high voltage, electromagnetic energy. And, uh, if they hadn't had ... I guess they beamed him onboard and, and then whatever they did. Do you think ... Let me ask you a question. The first group of ETs that he encountered were, like, maybe five feet tall, um, puffy white skin and large heads, um, big brown eyes.

[23:03] Speaker 1: They had, uh, the suits on with an emblem somewhere on the chest, I do believe, but then later, they, after they ran out of the room because he was frightened after he'd been woken up and he wasn't feeling good and he took a test tube and, and, or something that looked like that made of glass and broke it to use as a weapon to defend himself, they left, went down the hall to the right, he went to the left, and then shortly thereafter, he encountered some kind of, like, Nordic ETs that were humanoid, more humanoid, more human being-like.

[23:37] Speaker 2: Right.

[23:37] Speaker 1: Do you think that they had some kind of coordination, cooperation between those ETs, or is it possible that they could have maybe genetically altered themselves to resemble those beings? What do you think?

[23:52] Speaker 2: Yeah. I've been asked that before, and I think if you look at the totality of cases, we have many reports of what we call grays, many reports of ... I don't like the term Nordic. It's not entirely accurate. I call them human-looking. But I have to tell you, I've interviewed people who've seen human-looking ETs of apparently many different ancestries, uh, dark-skinned, light-skinned, you know, Asian, uh, Latino-looking. So-Of course, we have mantids. We have little blue beings, tall whites, um, little short people, (laughs) very tall humanoids. The descriptions, the variations are mind-boggling, you know, how many different types there are. But they're all essentially humanoid. They're all very much like us. So I think we can take them at face value, and that when someone sees a human-looking figure, that is what they look like.

[24:53] Speaker 2: While there are some cases of screen memories, certainly, where people sort of remember a different version of what they actually saw, I think largely because of the trauma involved in, you know, seeing something that's completely out of your worldview. (laughs) That does happen. But here's where it gets really interesting. They are all human-looking, and that raises all kinds of implications. And I can tell you, and this is not speculation, many contactees have received the same message 'cause they've asked about this. And the ETs will almost always th-, you know, people are not out of their minds with fear. (laughs) They can have a conversation with the ETs and get this information, and the ETs will say something along the lines of, "We are you. You are us. We are one. We share a common heritage. We all come from the same place. We all come from Source, and we are all inviolable entities under God.

[25:56] Speaker 2: We all live in this universe." And I think that's-

[25:59] Speaker 1: That's right.

[26:00] Speaker 2: ... really interesting because some of these ETs, yeah, look just like us, but what does that say (laughs) about who we are and our relationship to these guys? I think it's much closer than we might think.

[26:12] Speaker 1: Yes. Me personally, I'm a believer in the Big Bang Theory and how the universe began forming itself one solar system at a time, then one galaxy, you know, after so many solar systems, but I was kind of a believer in the Mo- uh, I believe in the Mother God but the Father God too, you know, our spirit parents. But then I saw a near-death experience on a YouTube video about a woman, and I think she's an old soul. She, she was drowned. She really was drowned in a boating accident. It's a long story.

[26:50] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[26:50] Speaker 1: It's very interesting, and if you're, if you wanna share it with anyone or see it yourself, her name is Donna Rebadow, R-E-B-A-D-O-W, and, um, she was underneath the water, and she knew that she was gonna die. The next thing she found was herself in, like, outer space she calls The Eternity, with stars everywhere. She went through what she described like a veil, a Saran wrap veil, which is what I think you might've heard called the River of Oblivion when we come into this world, uh, because such a dense environment were made to forget who we are when we're, before we're born into this world. But she met the creator of the universe, and she had a conversation with the creator.

[27:35] Speaker 1: And apparently, according to her, the creator is like a huge energy field, like an aurora borealis, but with all the colors of the rainbow and an electric bean kind of inside like a, for lack of a better way of describing it, The Wizard of Oz, you know, that head there that, that was over on the stage covered by the curtains.

[28:01] Speaker 2: Right.

[28:01] Speaker 1: And, and she, uh, had a conversation, and it went something like, "Oh, my God. You're the creator of the universe," and she heard telepathically back, "I am the creator of the universe." "Oh, my God. You know everything." And she heard back right away, "I know everything." And then she continued to have a conversation with the creator. And apparently, the creator has a great sense of humor, and after being showed around a few things and had some questions answered, the creator asked her, "So, Donna, what would you like to do now?" And she said, "Well, since you created me, I'll leave that choice to you," and then she realized she'd kind of made a mistake. But she went back to her body, and as she was going back, she heard, she said, "No kidding.

[28:47] Speaker 1: It was so funny." She heard, "Good answer!"

[28:52] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[28:52] Speaker 1: And she found herself in her body, and then she said, "Oh my God, what just happened? I'm, I'm dead. I'm in my body, and my lungs are filled with water." And almost immediately, she felt, like, human hands lifting her up. There was a rope that was attached to her leg because she'd been towed by this sea boat that dragged her underneath the water, but miraculously, magically, the rope untangled itself from her leg, and it shouldn't have even tangled her leg in the first place because it was a rope that's supposed to float, you know? And it somehow got underneath the water. It was like a designer death, if you ask me. But these hands picked her up to the surface of the water, and then she felt more hands on her back, slapping her back, and gallons of water came out of her lungs. And her sister was with her, and she was swi- swimming like 100 miles an hour to come over and, and help her, and she sur- she survived. It was amazing.

[29:49] Speaker 1: And so I, going back to what I was saying, the creator of the universe is obviously a creator of bodies, you know? And, I mean, just look at all the life here on Earth, and, you know, since the creator is omnipotent and omniscient, then one can assume that there is life, the same kind of life elsewhere and life that we don't even comprehend. And have you ever read a book called Abduction From The Ninth Planet?

[30:20] Speaker 2: I have heard of that, yeah. I might even have it on my bookshelf here somewhere. Um, been a while. (laughs)

[30:27] Speaker 1: That is my most favorite...... book that I have read (laughs) in my life. That is my Bible, so to speak. I mean, I lo- I love the Bible because it's probably the best account of divine intervention that the world has ever known. But, um, Bill... uh, excuse me, Michael Desmarquet who wrote that book, and he's since pass- passed away. God bless his soul. What happened to him, these ETs are hermaphrodite, nine feet tall, you know, have beautiful head to hair. So they're kinda like transgender. And of course, they're extremely intelligent like most of these ETs are. They have circular spaceships that are like 70 meters in diameter, and they can travel several times the speed of light, and they can go interdimensional. And he was on their planet for 10 days, and what they taught him was just incred- incredible, amazing, who Jesus really was, what, what happened with Moses, how they interacted with both of them, you know, and intervened at times, and helped Jesus with the miracles.

[31:32] Speaker 1: And just totally amazing stuff and including that universe is divided into nine categories of planets. Planet Earth is a category one on the evolutionary scale, which means we're the lowest. There's a lot of war and killing going on, still even to today. And it's understandable, you know, because we're sharing a planet with animals, you know, and we're not at the top of the food chain, and there's a lot of competition going on. But according to this book, there's four forces of the universe. The first force that created the suns, planets, and moons. Second force that created the plant and animal life. The third force that created all the sentient beings out there, all the millions. You know, Einstein was right. The universe is teeming with life. It's just a matter of intelligence, you know. Some people really, to put it in blunt terms, the bottom line is that some people are more evolved than others, you know.

[32:34] Speaker 1: There are younger souls and then there are older souls, and the younger souls are making it harder for the older souls, I think. But anyone that comes to this planet as a... is born into this planet, in my opinion, deserves an award because it's a very hard school of learning and university of the universe is the way I'd put it. (laughs)

[32:56] Speaker 2: Yeah, I do agree with that. (laughs) I don't know if you've heard of Robert Monroe.

[33:00] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[33:00] Speaker 2: He wrote, yeah, a number of books about astral projection. And he was told that by his spirit guides that Earth is a very difficult school, but those who graduate are very highly respected. And it's interesting.

[33:13] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[33:13] Speaker 2: I do think here on this planet, we have an enormous amount of work to do before we grow up, so to speak. Um, this is one of the main reasons I think ETs showed up in such large numbers. I don't think it's any coincidence that the Atomic Age coincides pretty much precisely with the modern age of UFOs, the late 1940s, which is when, of course, we started exploding nuclear bombs, when we reached the point of being able to exterminate all life on this planet, pollute every lake, river, all the oceans. This is when ETs stepped in and started taking people onboard in large numbers and giving them the same messages. And it's very interesting because I don't care if you're talking about grays or mantids or tall whites or human-looking or what have you, they're all saying the same thing, which is warnings against nuclear proliferation, the use of nuclear material, really in any capacity.

[34:13] Speaker 2: But beyond that, the dangers of war and aggression, of greed and corruption, of pollution and destruction of the environment. So I think they're very, very concerned and trying to help us out because we clearly are on an unsustainable wrong path towards self-extinction. And it's time we all grew up. (laughs) It's time to wage peace on Earth honestly. It's, I think, the single greatest obstacle to open official contact. But it would be great if these ETs would just come down and, you know, help us. But they, I think, respect our free will. It's interesting, I've heard this from a number of firsthand cases. I interviewed a couple who were invited on board a craft in Sedona, Arizona, and I asked the ETs exactly that. "Why don't you just come down?" And the message was one I've heard many times from others, which is, "We can't do that. That's against the free will of all humanity. You chose this situation.

[35:19] Speaker 2: It's up to you to solve your own problems." And it's very interesting because you, you look at the near-death experiences, which I love. I've got every book on that. (laughs) Uh, they're saying the same thing. Uh, and absolutely, I think we need to pay attention to these cases because there's incredible knowledge there for us to learn from and grow from. And to thank-

[35:42] Speaker 1: Prester, let me ask you a question on that. I'm sorry to interrupt you, but-

[35:45] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[35:46] Speaker 1: ... what do you think of this? I mean, they say that we have free will, and we have to solve our own problems, but what about, uh, with Moses? Like, um, taking the, the Hebrews out of Egypt, and, and with Jesus, you know, that, all that divine intervention, the baby born in Bethlehem, the, the star up above, the miracles-

[36:06] Speaker 2: Right.

[36:06] Speaker 1: ... that Jesus performed later, all, all that divine intervention, uh, you know. They say Jesus was sent to save the world. Well, I mean, is that... didn't that interfere with our free will, too?

[36:20] Speaker 2: I don't know. You know, it's... There is a bit of an enigma there because definitely ETs have intervened and saved people's lives over and over again, medically, in emergencies. I've got do- many cases, dozens-... people who were saved from drowning, or falls, or weather events, or car accidents. So there is intervention, absolutely. But I think that they understand the law of karma as well, 'cause that exact word has come up in a number of contact ET cases. And we see miracles going way, way back throughout history. It's very interesting, 'cause back in, you know, before the 1800s, the idea of extraterrestrials wasn't really in the popular culture. But I think some of the events that happened may have been interpreted differently, and may have actually been ETs. It's very hard to say. We can't go back (laughs) and, you know, determine that. But there's some really remarkable parallels between some of these modern-day cases and ones we hear about in ancient writing.

[37:29] Speaker 2: But there's no doubt (laughs) that we are being looked over, watched over, and ultimately, I think that if you take an objective look at the phenomena of onboard experiences, keep steering it back to that, uh, you'll see a very prominent pattern of ETs guiding people, teaching them, warning them, informing them, healing them. That is why they're here. I think that's what all the, you know, spirits in the higher realms, whether it's angels, or guardian spirits, or whatever you wanna call them, do look over us and are doing their best to help us to the extent that they can. But ultimately, we do have to learn our own lessons. There's one gentleman I interviewed who had a near-death experience and didn't really wanna talk about it, except for one aspect, which is the life review, which I'm sure you've heard of.

[38:25] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[38:25] Speaker 2: If someone had a, yeah, a near-death experience, they're shown all the events in their life. Well, this man was not a good man. He s- said this himself, his own words. He was unkind to people. And every person he hurt, he felt all the pain he inflicted upon them. He said, "Preston-

[38:45] Speaker 1: Yes.

[38:45] Speaker 2: ... it wasn't just that. Every person I hurt went on to hurt others, and I felt their pain-

[38:51] Speaker 1: Oh.

[38:51] Speaker 2: ... too." You know, so there was this ripple effect, where this-

[38:56] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[38:56] Speaker 2: ... ET felt the pain of thousands of people. He says, "I barely survived it. Barely survived just that life review." And he goes, "This is what people need to know, the importance of kindness and love." Our thoughts-

[39:11] Speaker 1: And that's-

[39:11] Speaker 2: ... are like lasers now. And we need to really take a close look at how we treat others, 'cause we're truly just hurting ourselves.

[39:23] Speaker 1: Yeah, son. I read a book called Saved by the Light by an author named Dannion Brinkley in that. I don't know-

[39:31] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.

[39:32] Speaker 1: Excuse me. I'm gonna take a drink. (coughs) I'm sorry.

[39:35] Speaker 2: Love that book.

[39:36] Speaker 1: I don't know if it was you-

[39:37] Speaker 2: Absolutely.

[39:37] Speaker 1: ... Tim, that you were referring to. But the same thing-

[39:40] Speaker 2: No.

[39:40] Speaker 1: ... he had a life review. And, I mean, he was, like, a sniper in Vietnam, and growing up, I mean, he got into all kinds of fights. And, and so he had to go back, and he had to feel that pain, like, when he hit somebody, feel... It was like a three-way perspective, from seeing it from a distance, and then being back in his former self s- you know, at that stage, and then also feeling what the other person felt, like you said.

[40:05] Speaker 2: Yeah. And I could imagine-

[40:06] Speaker 1: And it could be, um...

[40:09] Speaker 2: It, it's really quite extraordinary. I knew another lady who had a near-death experience. And she was in the company of what she believed were angels. And they told, showed her, actually, all these little events where she had helped people. And it was that that really mattered, just these little acts of kindness. She saw this lady trying to cross the street in the pouring rain and carry her groceries, and she hopped out of her car and helped this lady across the street and into her apartment.

[40:40] Speaker 2: And that-

[40:40] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[40:40] Speaker 2: ... made a huge difference. It's these little events, it's, it's... Which is not hard for a person to do, (laughs) you know, just to give someone a smile, 'cause it does have-

[40:50] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[40:50] Speaker 2: ... a ripple effect.

[40:52] Speaker 1: Oh, wait. I was, um, going somewhere this morning with my, um, wife, and just going down the road. And there was a guy on the side of the road, and I just happened to wave. And, and he put his hand up quickly, you know. Like, people are ready to, to greet, you know, to ac- accept that form of kindness and, and return it. It's just that it doesn't happen too often.

[41:21] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[41:21] Speaker 1: Have you heard-

[41:22] Speaker 2: These days, though, I think it's especially important. (laughs)

[41:25] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. I mean, reminds me, too, of the movie, I don't know if you saw it, um, not Bruce Almighty but Evan Almighty.

[41:34] Speaker 2: I did.

[41:34] Speaker 1: When they-

[41:34] Speaker 2: Yeah. (laughs) I love that movie.

[41:37] Speaker 1: Yes, me too. Morgan Freeman, as God, said, um, "You can change the world by random acts, small, random acts of kindness." And th- the world needs that saving, you know. Um, just we're evolving, and, you know, we can choose to be kind or choose to be unkind. We choose to create, or we can choose to destroy. I think-

[42:04] Speaker 2: Exactly.

[42:04] Speaker 1: ... we don't know j- just... I'm sorry, what? You gonna say something?

[42:10] Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you know, it reminds me of... Uh, 'cause I did a statistical study of, like, who is having ET contact and why. Um, I was very curious about why some people were being healed and others weren't. Uh, and it really puzzled me, because I did a whole statistical study in my own file, and I found that it was equally divided between men and women, 50/50. Certainly people of all ethnicities and ancestries. It had nothing to do with-... a person's religion or political affiliations or blood type, or anything that was, you know, immediately obvious. I did find one pattern. We do know ET contact is generational. They do seem to follow certain families, who, by the way, it turns out often are psychically gifted. So, that was a pattern. People who have a lot of second sight and this kind of thing. But this is what really struck me profoundly. I was interviewing this lady from Norway who said, "Please don't use my name.

[43:18] Speaker 2: I'm pretty well-known in my community for doing animal and human rights." She was healed of chronic back pain by little gray ETs, who really didn't say a whole lot (laughs) . They just came into her room, you know, flipped her around on her bed like a ragdoll, she said. It was quite frightening. Put an instrument against her back and healed her of chronic back pain. And she had no history of UFO encounters in her family, did no encounters as a little girl. This was a one-off. And so, when I asked her her profession, this is what she told me, that she does animal and human rights activism. That really struck a chord for me 'cause I had just interviewed Reverend Michael Carter, who if you don't know him, you should. He's an amazing guy.

[44:06] Speaker 1: Of course.

[44:07] Speaker 2: He wrote a bunch of books on this subject. Well, he was healed of a blood clot in his leg by ETs. Uh, he was given an award for his ... by the President of United States for his work against discrimination. And then, I started going through my files. I'm like, "Oh, this is amazing." There's another gentleman, John Hunter Gray, who worked very hard for Native American rights. He won awards as well. He had a tremendous healing. And going through all my files, I found, wow, (laughs) , there's a lot of der- doctors, nurses, inventors, musicians, writers, teachers, people who are doing good work for humanity in some capacity. And that was really encouraging to me, and really kind of clarified things to me about why some people are being healed or contacted and others aren't. Is the ETs are helping those who help others.

[45:12] Speaker 2: Uh, and that's actually-

[45:13] Speaker 1: I mean-

[45:13] Speaker 2: ... a direct quote from one of the ETs. "We, we're helping those who help others."

[45:20] Speaker 1: You know, um, I've seen, um, some videos about why presidents don't come out and release the UFO files. Jimmy Carter saw a UFO, along with some other people apparently, and then when he became president, he was gonna try to release all the UFO files, you know, and, and bring it out in the open. But George HW Bush, who was the CIA Director at the time, told him, "No, you can't do that. That's, um, above your pay grade," or something like that. So, it ... When Bill Clinton had an opportunity to come out with it, they've all lacked the courage, you know, to do the right thing, to take the human race to a, this next step in its evolution. I think Mr. Trump might have the courage to do that. The man was almost killed twice, you know? We got all this war going on still. The, our futures aren't certain. The possibility of us destroying ourselves is very real. We're riding the razor's edge. If he released the UFO files, I think that would be beneficial actually.

[46:41] Speaker 2: Yeah. I, well-

[46:41] Speaker 1: What do you think?

[46:44] Speaker 2: Th- Well, there's this, this term being tossed around called catastrophic disclosure, that if disclosure were to happen, it would cause huge upset in our society.

[46:54] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[46:55] Speaker 2: Well, I'm in mind, you know, I interviewed a lady, Dolly Safron, who I wrote a book about her experiences, and she's had direct contact her whole life. And we were talking about this, and she's like, "Actually, it's catastrophic non-disclosure." (laughs) This is what's doing true damage to all society. I think we absolutely not only deserve truth and transparency, it's vital to the health of all our society. You know, countries all eventually collapse due to greed and corruption and this sort of thing. So, if we don't get truth and transparency, it's a very dangerous situation. And I am encouraged that this administration has done something none other ever has. I'm not sure how much power our president has to get to the truth because from what I understand, most presidents are completely out of the loop. They're not really the driving force behind disclosure. The folks behind the disclosure is the military industrial complex.

[48:04] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[48:04] Speaker 2: The intelligence agencies, the highest levels-

[48:08] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[48:08] Speaker 2: ... of the military, n- none who are elected officials. The one percenters, the cabal. You can call them what you want, but they're very hard to trace, (laughs) very hard to influence, and I think they're, those are the folks we have to worry about.

[48:24] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[48:24] Speaker 2: It's gonna be very, very difficult to get to the truth, but, you know-

[48:28] Speaker 1: They're the ones (...) them.

[48:28] Speaker 2: We have to get to them.

[48:31] Speaker 1: They're the ones that had a lot of people assassinated, uh, who, uh, were gonna leak about Roswell.

[48:38] Speaker 2: Exactly. Yeah. So, w- we need absolutely to move this subject forward.Uh, 'cause what I understand, you know, ETs don't even need government. They don't use money. They're ve- they've overcome almost all the diseases that, you know, hamper us and cause so much untold pain and suffering. And if everyone in humanity, (laughs)

[49:09] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[49:09] Speaker 2: ... all humanity knew that we could actually live without money, let's face it, there's enough resources here on this planet for everybody.

[49:16] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[49:17] Speaker 2: Uh, and we have spent so much money on weapons of destruction. If we were to just divert all that resource, all that effort, all that time to actually helping people, we could make tremendous progress very quickly. So, I hope that someday we can get there. But I've, I think we have a long way to go, and it really does start with just being truthful. Electing leaders who are, will have the courage, you know, to tell the truth.

[49:50] Speaker 2: To-

[49:51] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[49:52] Speaker 2: But, we-

[49:52] Speaker 1: And they say we can't tell the truth. You know, they're just fighting that for us. And that's wrong.

[50:01] Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like we-

[50:02] Speaker 1: Some people...

[50:05] Speaker 2: The ETs communicate telepathically, so when you're with them, they're lying is not a thing. (laughs) It's impossible. They know us better than we know ourselves.

[50:16] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

[50:16] Speaker 2: Just imagine if we had that ability to really read people, to really use our discernment and become telepathic, 'cause I think these are natural human abilities which have-

[50:32] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[50:32] Speaker 2: ... been sort of taken away from us. So, it's time for us to really advance ourselves and become more aware. And grow our knowledge and experience and wisdom, and ethics and morality, and reach a point where we can, you know, move past the, the corruption, uh, and the divisiveness, and the hatred that's choking our forward progress. And the ETs provide a really good example of that. There's so much disinformation in this field. There's so much fear. There's so much confusion. It's really such a shame, 'cause there's a lot of people out there who call themselves UFO researchers, and I don't believe them for one second, because they're putting forth a fear narrative that ETs are our enemies, and I just don't think that's credible. If they were truly wanting to take over and hurt us, we would know it by now. They're so very advanced. They've been around forever. (laughs) We know they go back to, really, recorded history.

[51:38] Speaker 2: Probably before that, 'cause they're in, what, we've got stone carvings, their-

[51:43] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[51:44] Speaker 2: ... writings in ancient India, Vimanas, p- hieroglyphs in ancient Egypt. The Romans called them flying shields. ETs have been around forever. But the idea-

[51:56] Speaker 1: Yeah.

[51:56] Speaker 2: ... that they're here to hate us is ludicrous. We really need to-

[52:01] Speaker 1: No, uh-

[52:01] Speaker 2: ... open this subject up.

[52:04] Speaker 1: Apparently they have command of antimatter. I was talking with someone today. It's not like nuclear fission. If you've got a drop of antimatter, I mean, you could destroy a whole world. And, um, w- without even thinking about weapons, you know. If they, if they'd wanted to, they could've destroyed our planet. But it... From what I've heard, Planet Earth, Mother Gaia, is like a jewel in the universe, you know. It's so filled with life, a diversity of beautiful life, and, and we're kind of ruining it, you know. But I don't think it's beyond the point of no return, where it can't be saved. But, um, apparently, I don't know if you've heard of this before, every so many thousands of years, there might be some cataclysmic event which changes the rotation of the Earth on its axis and it- it reshapes itself. You know, continents rise up from the ocean, others sink into the ocean. Atlantis is one example.

[53:06] Speaker 1: Also, in the Pacific Ocean, there was a continent by the name of Mu or Lemuria, where there was a very advanced civilization been here about 15,000 plus years ago. And they had, well, anti-gravity, like a... Um, anyway, Preston, you know, time has flown. And thank you so much. Would you be interested in maybe continuing this conversation at another time?

[53:32] Speaker 2: Yeah, I would love that, 'cause, yeah, I've got some things to say about (laughs) you know, the catastrophes that have struck our planet. I think we're facing one right now. ETs talk about this all the time. And, uh, we all deserve to know the truth about that. There have been previous iterations, previous advanced societies. And, uh, yeah, I would love to come back and talk about that, and all of these subjects, so you name it, I'm there.

[53:57] Speaker 1: Well, I- I'll send you an email and we'll coordinate that, uh, that way, on email. And so, I thank you again, Preston. This is the Reverend Blake Ruby signing out. Wishing everybody a pleasant rest of your Saturday. May God, the Creator, bless us all here on Earth, all the children of the Creator, and help us in any way we need it. Talk to you next week. Goodbye, everybody. I love you. Goodbye, Preston. I'll talk to you later.

[54:25] Speaker 2: I look forward to it. Bye.

[54:27] Speaker 1: Thank you. Bye-bye. (instrumental music)