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[00:34] Speaker 3: Well, hello, everybody. We've got a great show for you. Chuck Boniolo, Julie Hayden. The Chuck & Julie Grassroots Show, truth straight up.

[00:41] Speaker 2: That's right. We will be getting into the latest on Brita Horne and Steve Klenda's-

[00:47] Speaker 3: Attempt to destroy the Republican Party.

[00:48] Speaker 2: ... attempt to restore the Republican Party, but just in case they're not successful, which we're assuming they won't be, we're, uh, on the, um... Last week, we talked to Joe Oltman, who's one of the candidates for the Republican Party chair, uh, which is, uh, an election that's going to be held on May 30th. And today, we're happy to have with us Jeremy Goodall out of El Paso County. Hey, Jeremy, go ahead and unmute yourself, and w- uh, thanks-

[01:09] Speaker 3: Hi, Jerry.

[01:10] Speaker 2: ... thanks for the show, and welc- and thanks for your time.

[01:12] Speaker 3: I got to start out saying, I thought you gave a great speech down at the, uh, Assembly, um-

[01:18] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[01:18] Speaker 3: ... and it was really well done, really well done.

[01:21] Speaker 4: Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. No, there was a lot of moving parts to that. Um, I mean, I can't... it wasn't just myself, by any means. There was some-

[01:27] Speaker 3: Well, I didn't say it was just you, but you had some very talented people.

[01:30] Speaker 4: ... person behind the scenes getting that, uh, getting that done. Um, unfortunately, it looks like the judge has decided that, uh, he's not going to grant the injunction. But, uh, yeah.

[01:38] Speaker 3: It doesn't... you know, that, that wasn't really the point. It- it's to ra-

[01:41] Speaker 4: Right.

[01:41] Speaker 3: Well, what's the point? But one of the good things is-

[01:44] Speaker 4: Right.

[01:44] Speaker 3: ... just to emphasize how much the rank and file Republican Party wants to go for the opt-out. I mean, they-

[01:50] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[01:50] Speaker 3: ... overwhelmingly told the chair, saying it was out of order, and that took a two-thirds vote by itself, and then overwhelmingly said, "No, you know, go try to get an injunction." And when people like, uh, uh, Kathleen Chandler came up, I mean, she almost got booed off the floor.

[02:08] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[02:09] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[02:09] Speaker 2: Well, and I think-

[02:09] Speaker 4: You know, there was, there was, there was some, it was some drama. I'll ta- I'll say that. There was, uh-

[02:13] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[02:13] Speaker 4: ... there was some fun, uh, excitement, uh-

[02:16] Speaker 3: Yes, yes.

[02:17] Speaker 4: ... uh, in the whole thing where it's like...

[02:18] Speaker 2: And to, like, sort of our big question for whoever the next chair is, and I already know what your position is, but we'll ask you, and then you can articulate it.

[02:25] Speaker 3: No, no, I just wanted to say one more thing on Jeremy's behalf.

[02:28] Speaker 2: Uh-huh.

[02:28] Speaker 3: I mean, he's been a solid warrior for the grassroots-

[02:32] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[02:32] Speaker 3: ... uh, from as long as I've known him. You know, you have some people who are not, some people who are kind of, sort of, but Jeremy, if you had to have a gold standard, Jeremy, it'd be one of them.

[02:41] Speaker 4: Well, (laughs) I appreciate that. That's-

[02:44] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[02:46] Speaker 4: That is... You're gonna make me cry. It's-

[02:47] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[02:47] Speaker 2: Oh. (laughs)

[02:47] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[02:47] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[02:49] Speaker 2: So let me, let me jump in by asking you, you know, I think one of the biggest issues facing the Republican Party in Colorado is taking control of our own primaries and not letting Democrats and unaffiliated voters pick our candidates, which is the opt-out, right? Which is what you guys were just talking about. What is your stand on... We didn't get the injunction, but is that something, if you were chair, you would continue to keep pushing for and fighting for?

[03:13] Speaker 4: Well, my, my position has always been that the chair must be the servant of the body.

[03:20] Speaker 2: Oh.

[03:20] Speaker 4: And so if the body, uh, the, uh, you know, the rank-and-file membership of the Republican Party, we- as we saw at the Assembly and saw, uh, at the previous Assembly. Uh, so this isn't just a new thing. This is, this has been a, an ongoing, uh, conversation within the Republican Party and has been dramatically and overwhelmingly, uh, for getting us out of the open primary by whatever means and as expeditiously as possible. And so, yes, uh, the body wants that. And so, uh, if I'm elected to be the chair of the body, I will absolutely be continuing to do that.

[03:58] Speaker 2: Okay.

[03:59] Speaker 3: Well, you know, we would be out by now, um, if, if we had a chairs, chairs and it goes back to... Well, it goes back to all the prior ones before Dave Williams-

[04:08] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[04:08] Speaker 3: ... wasn't actively trying to destroy it. Destroy... I'd say, "Oh, we support the lawsuit." "Oh, yeah? You raise any money for it? You do anything?" "Well, no, no, no, but we're for it."

[04:17] Speaker 4: No.

[04:17] Speaker 3: And then when they find out, when the judge finds it unconstitutional, they go, "Oh, well, you know, that's unfortunate 'cause we, we need everything to be found unconstitutional." You kind of go, "Yeah, that's interesting." So you didn't like the judge's ruling even when you win.

[04:32] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[04:32] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[04:32] Speaker 3: So they really expose themselves.

[04:35] Speaker 4: Well, I think that's, um... Actually, uh, something I came across, uh, the other day, uh, uh, in just a, um, a- a- a church, uh, um, a sermon I was watching. And that was, uh, that if, if your no, uh, to any kind of request provokes a fight, then, then your acquiescence and your agreement was not an agreement. It was captivity.

[05:01] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[05:01] Speaker 3: There you go.

[05:01] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[05:02] Speaker 4: And I'm like, that, that is, uh, that's where we're at, I think. The, uh, the Republican Party is being held captive, um, and even by some of our own members.

[05:13] Speaker 2: Right.

[05:13] Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

[05:14] Speaker 4: And it's-

[05:14] Speaker 2: Yeah, the congressional representatives, for instance.

[05:16] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[05:16] Speaker 4: And that, I think, uh, I think the, uh, the outcome of, of what happened in, in Pueblo and what we, uh, what we dealt with, um, and then seeing, like, uh, the NRCC, uh, stepping in and filing against the party's, uh, request for an injunction, it, it shows that, uh, it's not just the Democrats that want to keep us subservient to this process. Um, it's-

[05:37] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[05:37] Speaker 4: There's, there's a, there's a number of people that frankly, uh, are, are duty... are not duty bound, but are, uh, financially incentivized.

[05:47] Speaker 2: Yeah. Donor-bound. (laughs)

[05:48] Speaker 4: Donor-bound. Yeah, yeah. That's probably a better word, yeah.

[05:50] Speaker 2: (laughs) To, to keep it there. Well, what about... Let, let's talk a little bit about money, and we'll get into later, but-

[05:56] Speaker 3: Well, that, that is, that is, you know... I mean if, if, if-If everybody was voting solely on, is this guy a true-blue conservative, a true-blue Republican, um, you, you would win overwhelmingly.

[06:11] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[06:11] Speaker 3: Um, but the party is broke. It's not only broke, it's doubly, triply, quadruply broke. Um, you've indicated, I think honestly and fairly and at the WELD Women's one, that, that you would expect to get a salary for all the hard work you're doing as a chair. Uh, I can tell you, being on the executive committee, there ain't no money-

[06:33] Speaker 4: (coughs)

[06:33] Speaker 3: ... to pay you and there isn't-

[06:34] Speaker 4: There ain't no money, yeah.

[06:35] Speaker 3: ... government money. (laughs)

[06:36] Speaker 4: We could give you swag.

[06:37] Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean... (laughs)

[06:38] Speaker 4: We could... (laughs)

[06:40] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[06:40] Speaker 4: Some actual Trump hats.

[06:41] Speaker 3: But how are you gonna... I mean, I don't know. Did, do you have a secret fund somewhere? You know, somewhere in the Caribbean or... How, how are, how are you going to-

[06:49] Speaker 4: I, I do not.

[06:50] Speaker 3: ... how are you going to raise-

[06:50] Speaker 4: I mean, I have, I have a lovely house.

[06:52] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[06:52] Speaker 4: You know, but I am... I'm still taking-

[06:53] Speaker 3: Oh, okay. We can, we can garner that. I will take the hou- no... How do, how do, how do you hope to, to raise the really... the hundreds of thousands, if not millions that the party's gonna need?

[07:06] Speaker 4: Well, that, that's a, that's a difficult, uh, conundrum. And it's, it's one that I think is, um... It's best addressed because if... (sighs) People think that money is the, is the problem. And the money isn't the problem. The money is the symptom of the dysfunction and the lack of trust and the fact that everyone, uh, within the party is basically antagonistic towards each other. And what we have to do is settle that dysfunction down and give people an understanding and hope that there can be something that they can trust and that we can then... 'cause then people will give money.

[07:49] Speaker 4: Right

[07:50] Speaker 3: And, um, and the rules, uh, the, the, uh, campaign finance laws here in Colorado are actually significantly more restrictive than most other places, uh, most other states. Uh-

[08:00] Speaker 4: Colorado-

[08:01] Speaker 3: It wasn't by intention of the Democratic Party. I mean, they impose those, of course.

[08:04] Speaker 4: Yeah. And then they, they impose those on us and then ignore them for themselves.

[08:08] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[08:08] Speaker 4: Right. Uh, but basically, uh, if, like if Elon Musk... And I said this at the WELD, uh, the WELD event. If Elon Musk decided that he wanted to fund the Colorado Republican Party, the largest check he could write directly to the state party is 3,870 some odd dollars. Uh, his total that he could give to, uh, the state party and then additional county parties, uh, maxes out at $4,675

[08:34] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[08:36] Speaker 4: That's a lot of donors.

[08:38] Speaker 3: And-

[08:38] Speaker 4: Well- And so what we have to do is... uh, the only choice we have is to settle the dysfunction and reach out and, and basically get a lot of people to give us a little bit of money Yeah

[08:51] Speaker 3: Well, the push-

[08:51] Speaker 4: And that's-

[08:51] Speaker 3: The pushback of a little bit about that, I mean-

[08:54] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[08:55] Speaker 3: Yes, that's all you can contribute directly to the party, and that's why these independent expenditure committees for the party get set up.

[09:02] Speaker 4: Yes.

[09:02] Speaker 3: And so you could contribute. You know, if somebody came in and said, "I want to give you a million dollars," you kind of agree. "Well, give us, you know, 4,000 for the state." I think it's 10,000 for the federal. Uh-

[09:13] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[09:14] Speaker 3: ... and, and, and give the other $984,000-

[09:19] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[09:19] Speaker 3: ... to the IEC, which, you know, all this kind of almost pathetic, you know, uh, ruse, but you have to obey the rules. Uh-

[09:28] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[09:28] Speaker 3: ... not coordinating. Um, but if you want to give a million dollars, there's a way, the rep- Republican Party directly, which is only $14,000-

[09:37] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[09:37] Speaker 3: ... and the remainder indirectly. Um, but we closed down the IEC quite, quite frankly 'cause we didn't have, uh, one, because they became a rogue establishment one, but also-

[09:47] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[09:47] Speaker 3: ... because we had no big-

[09:49] Speaker 4: No place-

[09:49] Speaker 3: ... no reason to use it because we didn't have anybody offering us, uh, above, you know, some-

[09:54] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[09:54] Speaker 3: ... tremendous amount. Um, you know, I'd always... I'd... For a long time, I volunteered to go to Las Vegas, uh, for the party if they'd give me, you know, $20,000 to bet and sit down at the cement at the fair tables-

[10:09] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[10:09] Speaker 3: ... in Las Vegas with the Asians and everybody else and say, "Hey, does anybody want to buy an entire party in Colorado?"

[10:15] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[10:15] Speaker 3: (laughs) You know, "You can buy us for just a couple million. That's all. I mean, you're just going to lose that in the next hour here. So why not-"

[10:22] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[10:22] Speaker 3: "... why not do something?"

[10:23] Speaker 4: Why not get something for it?

[10:24] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[10:24] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[10:24] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[10:25] Speaker 4: Well, what's, what's your plan to, to, to... Like you said, I mean, you know, we hear a lot of other chair candidates talking, "I can bring in money. We can bring in money." You point out the difficulty in, in doing that, that I, and I think you hit it in the head, but what's going to be needed is a bunch of, a bunch of smaller- Yeah

[10:41] Speaker 3: ... donors donating. But, so what's your plan? 'Cause I, and you talk about, you know, we need to fix first the... fi- first fix the party. So what's, what's your plan there?

[10:50] Speaker 4: Well, my plan is actually to, uh, reach out and, and empower the s- the county chairs. Yeah There's... Th- Those gentlemen are... and, and ladies, are going to know their counties better than I ever could. Um, and get... and basically, uh, if we can create a c- um... if we can just create an atmosphere where people are willing to, to speak out, share, uh, share how things are done and, um, and cooperate, then that's where we then can create that attitude of trust. Uh, it's gonna be...

[11:26] Speaker 4: I mean, it's, it's not an easy, it's not an easy thing by any means No

[11:29] Speaker 3: It's not a magic wand.

[11:30] Speaker 4: No. Uh, it just requires having, uh, some fairly uncomfortable conversations, uh, being willing to have those uncomfortable conversations. Um, and then really, what I've, what I've found 'cause I was also, uh, on the Protect Kids Colorado initiatives Right. Yes, they got it done

[11:47] Speaker 3: And they told us, uh, we... when we were, when we were talking to the, uh, the folks that were... uh, you know, the, the paid, uh, the paid signature gatherers, uh, we were told, uh, "You're gonna need seven and a half to eight and a half million dollars." And we didn't have that.

[12:03] Speaker 4: (laughs) I, like, we... I mean, we, we talked to some people who, uh, who said that they were gonna bring us that... and, uh, they didn't because it's easy to promise money. It's very difficult to raise money.

[12:15] Speaker 2: Yes.

[12:16] Speaker 4: But what we did do is articulate vision, give people a clear directive, give people a clear target, and, uh, we got 3,500, uh, actually over 3,500, uh, by the end, uh, ticked off, uh, grandmas, grandpas, moms, dads, aunts and uncles, uh, to basically go across the state and we collected more signatures than, than were necessary. And I mean, we... uh, 174,000 submitted on just the one issue. Uh, total, uh, total validity rate was 91%.

[12:49] Speaker 2: Wow.

[12:50] Speaker 4: Uh, that is... uh, if you've ever done these types of things, uh, the, the paid guys actually, uh, brag about getting over 70.

[12:58] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[12:59] Speaker 3: Yeah. That's true.

[12:59] Speaker 2: Well, I think, you know, that's a really good point. It's like that proved, like you said, when people are, are, are unified around, we don't need to get, you know, sort of a, a common cause that everybody agrees is a good cause, yeah, you know, you don't, you don't necessarily need billions and billions of dollars to get stuff done.

[13:14] Speaker 3: Well, and, and to emphasize that point, where, where there's a will, there's a way, and where there isn't, there isn't, I mean, we were told by KBB and by, oh God, all of them, um, the chairs, "Look, we don't have the money to bring a lawsuit to find, um, a 108 unconstitutional. We have no money to do that. We can't do it. It'll cost similar to the signatures, millions of dollars," and so forth. So we kind of went because we had a will, just like you all had a will for that initiative, away, and we got John Eastman to come in. We raised money separately, uh, from the party. We raised some in the party and so forth, and we robbed Peter to pay Paul, and that's why we brought two suits and won, won, uh, two that in fact found portions of 108 unconstitutional. But if you listen to the Christy Burton-Browns, who, who are always going, "Oh, we don't know how to do this.

[14:07] Speaker 3: We don't know how to do this." On the other side, just to say, you know, going to the county parties, we live in Adams County, right? They don't have enough money to hold a dinner for Lincoln Day dinner. I'm afraid the, the money, lacking of money in the state, um, is pretty bad.

[14:23] Speaker 4: Yeah. It's, it's widespread. It's endemic.

[14:25] Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[14:26] Speaker 4: Uh, but I... uh, so I grew up a pastor's kid, and, uh, one of the things that, uh, that we learned is that, uh, you never had enough money to do anything.

[14:35] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[14:35] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[14:36] Speaker 3: That's right.

[14:38] Speaker 2: Just about.

[14:38] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[14:38] Speaker 4: Uh, and we, we were, uh, yeah, we were, we were, you know, the youth program for a large church. Uh, we had to learn how to get creative.

[14:44] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[14:44] Speaker 4: Because creativity is always on sale.

[14:47] Speaker 2: (laughs) Uh-huh.

[14:49] Speaker 3: Uh-huh.

[14:49] Speaker 4: And so if you're willing to get, uh... if you're willing to get, get in and get creative, uh, I think one of the problems that we've got, especially at the national level, is that, uh, so many of our candidates, uh, they view, uh, getting onto the ballot and solving, you know, these types of messaging issues as a function of writing the big enough check.

[15:09] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[15:10] Speaker 4: And then they get into Congress, and then they continue to think that it's just a matter of writing a big enough check. And then there's where we get our, you know, trillions of dollars in, uh, in Federal Reserve debt and, uh, you know, deficit spending, like, all over the place. What we need to do is institute, like, top-down, or, or not top-down, but bottom-up, uh, leadership and get, get, get some, get some vision, get some, get some targeting (laughs) and, and figure out, like, what, what... like I, I'm not worried about what we can't do.

[15:46] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[15:46] Speaker 4: I'm always more a, a fan of what we can do, and if we can figure out what we can do, and we do that well, then that usually leads to increased opportunities and opens up the, the, the window on what becomes possible. And that's-

[16:03] Speaker 2: Well-

[16:04] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[16:04] Speaker 2: ... let me ask you this one to get your, your thoughts on this, and, and we'll be talking later about the Brita Horne, Steve Klenda being able to plunder our bank account situation and want to get your thoughts there. But one, on one hand, I was thinking, you know, right now, the Republican Party, you know, it's always been sort of the grassroots and the RINOs kind of thing. Right now, though, to a certain extent, there is, I think, a certain amount of unity because people are understanding just how dire Brita put... the, the dire situation she left us in, and people are like, "We can kind of fight up..." at least that's the sense I get. We can fight about some of this other stuff later. Right now, we need to pull together to save the party in the first place or all of these other things are moot.

[16:41] Speaker 4: Right. And that's, uh, I think a lot of the elected officials are kind of noticing that, uh, if the party goes down, they go with it.

[16:48] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[16:49] Speaker 4: And, uh, and so they are, you know, they're, they're... they're, they've got skin in the game. Uh, they're seeing, you know, that, uh... I mean, they lambasted, uh, Da- uh, Dave Williams, uh, for I think he raised what, like 2.1 million?

[17:03] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[17:03] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[17:03] Speaker 4: And, uh, you know, and KBB had only, had raised like 2.2 million, and they were like, "Oh, it's so far down," and stuff. Uh...

[17:10] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[17:11] Speaker 4: Brita was like at 84,000. I want to tell you it was under 100,000.

[17:16] Speaker 3: Well, piling up debts now apparently we find out is over 400,000.

[17:21] Speaker 2: (laughs) Yeah.

[17:21] Speaker 3: So she was only, uh, 310, uh, points in the negative.

[17:27] Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like she, she's, she's, uh... because I, I understand Dave actually left, uh, a, a sizeable chunk in the accounts-

[17:33] Speaker 2: Right.

[17:33] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[17:33] Speaker 4: ... to, you know, turn the party over in good health.

[17:36] Speaker 2: Right.

[17:36] Speaker 4: Uh, and so she, she spent through that, uh, ran up a bill with Klenda, and has, uh, added additional on top of that. Now, I think, um, I think under, like currently, I believe the, uh, the, the, the writ that he's, uh, gone after-

[17:55] Speaker 2: Right.

[17:55] Speaker 4: ... uh, is, uh, is on a stay.

[17:58] Speaker 3: No. (laughs)

[18:00] Speaker 2: No, it's on a stay. No, it's on a stay pending the party posting a $289,000 bond. Every minute that goes by, which we cannot do, I know.

[18:11] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[18:11] Speaker 2: We'll talk about that in a minute, but no, no, because we were... our, our sources tell us that's what they... the lawyers are working right now and asking the judge to read-

[18:18] Speaker 4: For sure.

[18:18] Speaker 2: ... uh.... to reconsider that.

[18:20] Speaker 4: Really? Really bad, that's ridiculous. Like that's-

[18:22] Speaker 3: Yeah. So the stay, quote unquote stay, is dependent upon putting up a bond. And, and to put up a bond if people, you know, most people haven't done it, but you need to put up 10% in cash. That'd be around $30,000. We don't have $30,000 to give them. But then you have to... The bonding company says, "Okay, give me the assets-"

[18:42] Speaker 2: They want collateral.

[18:42] Speaker 3: "... and collateral." And we said, "Okay, um, we've got-"

[18:46] Speaker 4: We don't have any assets.

[18:46] Speaker 3: "... we've got Jeremy Goodale's house."

[18:48] Speaker 2: Yeah. (laughs)

[18:48] Speaker 3: That's, that's, that's one collateral we can do.

[18:51] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[18:52] Speaker 4: Oh, well.

[18:53] Speaker 3: Um, we have no assets. And whatever assets we had, uh, Britta sold at a fire sale, uh, to, to raise any money for herself. Um, so it's, it's a practical impossibility. And he may say, "Well, you know, good for you."

[19:07] Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't know what the judge... I mean, as I-

[19:09] Speaker 3: Uh, right now, it could be that the, that the accounts are being garnished. So don't think there's a stay in effect, 'cause there's not one.

[19:15] Speaker 2: Yeah, check in with Eric on... I know the, the-

[19:17] Speaker 4: Yes.

[19:18] Speaker 2: ... the, the powers that be are fervently working on court motions to ask the judge.

[19:22] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[19:22] Speaker 2: I think the assumption is that the judge is unaware that we don't have that kind of money, but who knows?

[19:26] Speaker 3: Well, he may not care.

[19:27] Speaker 2: Yeah, he may not care, so. Well let's-

[19:30] Speaker 4: Well, I do know that the, uh... I, I do know from some of the conversations I've had that, uh, that Britta and Klenda did withhold significant information from the judge.

[19:38] Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah. Like-

[19:39] Speaker 4: And, and I know that that's gonna... Like judges don't like that.

[19:42] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[19:42] Speaker 4: I'm, I'm not an attorney but I do know that judges do not like that. (laughs)

[19:45] Speaker 2: Right. Let me ask you this while we're on that then, because one of the things obviously... So what Britta they did, is she had... Klenda has a $231,000 judgment against the party, that says he can go seize the money plus 18% interest. Um, Joe Oltman said that he thought it would be a good idea to, to negotiate with Klenda. I, I don't... My personal opinion is number one, why? The guy tried to burn this, the, the party down, and is trying to... Number two, I don't know why Klenda would negotiate with this, but that's just my opinion. What are your thoughts?

[20:17] Speaker 3: Well, normally it's a good strategy, but, but they've proven themselves so, so destructive-

[20:24] Speaker 2: Destructive, yeah.

[20:24] Speaker 3: ... and, and so awful, that it's, it's... I mean normally you kind of look, settle it, move on. One, we don't have any money to settle it, and two-

[20:32] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[20:32] Speaker 3: ... you probably won't move on. They're kind of, "Oh, no." (laughs) You know, "If you, if you want us to move on, we're not taking 10 cents on the dollar. We'll take 80 cents on the dollar." Uh, and, uh, but, you know, it's, it's gonna be a real battle. It's gonna be a challenge whoever gets to be the chair.

[20:49] Speaker 4: Well, I think, uh, I mean, like it's, it's... I, I would say it's probably not, uh, advisable to commit to a course of action without the full information.

[20:59] Speaker 2: (laughs) That's fair.

[20:59] Speaker 4: But, uh, I, I am aware of, uh, how to, how to settle things. Um, I've been a party to, to those types of processes before.

[21:08] Speaker 2: Okay.

[21:08] Speaker 4: Um, I do not, uh, I do not just jump immediately to, "Well, what's the lowest common dollar," and stuff like that, because there is, there is a certain, uh, animosity and anger, I think within the party, towards Mr. Klenda, at this point.

[21:27] Speaker 3: Really?

[21:27] Speaker 4: And I don't-

[21:28] Speaker 3: Really? Huh.

[21:29] Speaker 4: Yeah, I, I, yeah. (laughs) And so, I don't think it would be a good idea to, to just walk in saying that, uh, you know, "Oh, well how, how can we, how can we make everybody happy?"

[21:38] Speaker 2: (laughs) Okay.

[21:38] Speaker 4: Um, I think, uh, what's the, uh, what's the old adage? Uh, uh, you know, everything for defense but not a single penny for tribute.

[21:48] Speaker 2: Uh-huh. (laughs)

[21:49] Speaker 4: And, uh, I think-

[21:50] Speaker 2: Well that's a smart answer. But we're podcasters, we can say what we think and it has no meaning. (laughs)

[21:55] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[21:56] Speaker 2: And as, as incoming chair, that's probably a very wise answer.

[21:58] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.

[21:59] Speaker 2: To like get all the facts before you make a decision.

[22:01] Speaker 3: But, but I would-

[22:02] Speaker 2: Yeah. That bother us.

[22:02] Speaker 3: I'd just like to talk a bit about the, the divide in the Republican Party.

[22:06] Speaker 4: Sure.

[22:06] Speaker 3: Um, and, and, and people think that, you know, it's personality driven and it's... You know, after a while you hate somebody and you just keep on hating them, even if you have no reason to... You kind of Irish it, you know. "I hate him." "Why?" "Well, I can't remember but I hate him."

[22:20] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[22:20] Speaker 3: Um, but in the Republican Party, it's not true. It's really a divide that has principled reasons for it. Um, and it's, and I compare it to, um, the, the divide in the country over the Civil War. I mean, they had compromise in 1820 and 1850, but really, the, the question of slavery was not going to be easy to compromise.

[22:42] Speaker 4: No.

[22:42] Speaker 3: Because the two sides were either for it, or one were against it. Um, and that's not something that even a compromise can paper over. Uh, so we have a party-

[22:53] Speaker 4: Well there's, there's really no... There's no middle ground in that type of an issue.

[22:56] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. And, and so-

[22:57] Speaker 4: Like you're... Either you can own a human being, or you can't.

[23:02] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[23:03] Speaker 4: Like you can't have a child, right?

[23:04] Speaker 3: I mean, we did try to do compromise.

[23:05] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[23:05] Speaker 3: You know they'd say, you know, they'd compromise in 1820 and they'd compromise... But it didn't work, and led almost inevitably I think to civil war. Uh, here we have a huge difference. And that's how we choose our candidates and what kind of candidates we get. Uh, if we have a semi-open primary, uh, Democrats pour in by just registering as a Republic- as, as Independent.

[23:25] Speaker 4: Oh.

[23:25] Speaker 3: I think in Rapo County 12,000 of them did out of 27,000. Um, and, and as a practical matter, um, you are gonna get very liberal Republicans. Moderate, if you want to call it that. Um, you're gonna get Barbara Kirkmeyers, um, who approved the budget-

[23:40] Speaker 2: Jeff Hurts.

[23:41] Speaker 3: Jeff Hurts. Um, you're gonna get extreme... And quite frankly, the majority of the legislators we have down at the capital get a C... Uh, most of them it's C, or D, or flunk. Um, and they're not trying to flunk-

[23:53] Speaker 2: Elle Reescort, right?

[23:53] Speaker 3: Yeah, Elle Reescort. They're not trying to flunk people. In fact, they want to pass anybody they possibly can. Uh-

[23:58] Speaker 4: Well we actually, we actually have, uh, some of our, some of our Republican, uh, senators, uh, and state reps and state senators score lower... Like there are Democrats that score higher than some of our Republicans.

[24:09] Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, yes.

[24:10] Speaker 2: Yes.

[24:10] Speaker 3: And so-

[24:11] Speaker 4: Like that's just, uh, like we've got to have some ability to assert accountability to the platform.

[24:16] Speaker 3: Right, right. So-

[24:17] Speaker 4: Because otherwise, well otherwise what does it even mean to be a Republican?

[24:21] Speaker 3: Yeah, well it, it means very little.

[24:22] Speaker 2: Right.

[24:22] Speaker 4: It's a brand integrity issue at that point.

[24:24] Speaker 3: Yeah. And, and so, and so on the other side-... uh, you know, if, if we go through the assembly caucus system, um, which, uh, you know, I love and you probably love. I mean, I was just down at the assembly, went through the caucus system, and yes, it's poorly attended because the sneaky other side got the petitioning thing in, so you don't have to. If you, if you-

[24:46] Speaker 2: Or-

[24:46] Speaker 3: ... Barbara-

[24:46] Speaker 2: If you have the money.

[24:47] Speaker 3: Yeah, Barbara Kirkmeyer, you just sign on. They pay, you know, a- and says, "Oh, it's very democratic when you do that, when you pay for signatures," which she did. She said, "I got 800 mon-..." "Oh, good. That's-"

[24:57] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[24:57] Speaker 3: "... that's a real effort there, Barb." Um, but, but so, they wouldn't... Some of those representatives, um, may not make it through the caucus and assembly process, uh, because they don't have very good bonafides as Republicans. Um, you could, and I investigated it through, um, Virginia. Virginia decided it was going to do their own primary and held their own primary, um, and put it... They, they, they seem to be a smarter bear than we are. You could have a system where every Republican could vote, uh, but the, the fight against the caucus, "Well, everybody can't participate." Then what about overseas members? And they said, "Well, the Democrats solved that for you, 'cause they can attend by Zoom to their caucus meetings." Um, and if you have... If the only way you could get on the ballot was a caucus system, the caucuses would be jam packed.

[25:48] Speaker 2: Yeah, they'd be full.

[25:48] Speaker 3: They'd be... Everyone is there and they say, "Well that's, that's just the party insiders, you know, a few thousand, or 5,000 or 2,000."

[25:56] Speaker 4: Right, anybody that's registered.

[25:58] Speaker 2: Right.

[25:58] Speaker 3: Yeah, well you can go but they say they, you know, the average voter doesn't, Republican voter doesn't get to vote. I kind of go, when you have a system where in fact, um, the, the, the people deciding are just a general mass of them and not representative, 'cause we have a Republican for- form of government. That means about 12 people in Colorado would control jungle primaries. 12 people who have billions or millions.

[26:23] Speaker 2: Yeah, which it'd be... Yeah.

[26:24] Speaker 3: So, so that mask you say, is not going to be included, they could be included in caucus. They're not... All they're going to know is whatever the rich people tell them. How representative is that? Kind of like the average person who doesn't spend a lot of time in politics or hates it or whatever-

[26:39] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[26:39] Speaker 3: ... all they'll ever learn about these candidates, uh, is what the rich people want to tell them. Um, so... But if we could have a general one, but they don't want that. They want to continue the system, and so you have all four of your congressional ones going, "No, no assemblies, no caucuses, no... Keep it just the same." And convince their own national party to go against the, the will of the vast majority of its members.

[27:04] Speaker 3: Um, so this-

[27:06] Speaker 4: Which I find, which I find even more intriguing-

[27:07] Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

[27:07] Speaker 4: ... because Jeffrey Flake ran, uh, ran unopposed.

[27:11] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[27:11] Speaker 4: In his, like-

[27:13] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[27:13] Speaker 4: Just, like, okay. Like, uh, uh, Lauren Boebert, uh, easily passed through her assembly. Um-

[27:18] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[27:19] Speaker 4: ... and I think Gabe Evans even.

[27:20] Speaker 2: Right. Right.

[27:21] Speaker 3: Gabe Evans, Gabe Evans is running with 11 or 12%. Yeah. So, so at any rate, there... So, there is a real divide and the kind of candidates and the kind of Republican Party you have, um, will be determined by one or the other. And it's very hard, just like slavery, to come to a compromise. Maybe we could say every other year the establishment gets to do it and then, then the public, you know, the grassroots get to do it. But it's either one side wins or we just eventually fight ourselves to death. And so I'm hoping with you or others who become chair, that we finally say, "Look, if you like being Democratic light so much, become a Democrat. It's okay. It's..." So you can be into that.

[28:06] Speaker 4: You can do that.

[28:06] Speaker 3: You can join... They won't accept you of course-

[28:08] Speaker 4: Totally.

[28:08] Speaker 3: ... because they can't stand your bourgeois ass, but, but go away, go away.

[28:14] Speaker 4: And in fact, the Democrats would probably welcome you because their, uh, assembly process is completely going off the rails-

[28:21] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.

[28:21] Speaker 4: ... for their party as well.

[28:23] Speaker 2: Right.

[28:23] Speaker 4: And, uh, the, the folks that have been, uh, basically running, and paying, uh, you know, paying, paying the freight on the Democrat side of things, uh, Diane DeGette.

[28:34] Speaker 2: Right, yeah.

[28:35] Speaker 3: Right.

[28:36] Speaker 2: Almost didn't make it.

[28:36] Speaker 3: She lost three to one, yeah.

[28:38] Speaker 4: Nancy Pelosi's, like, designated successor, uh, the deputy whip for the, uh, the Congressional Democrat Party in DC only qualified for her ballot by six votes.

[28:50] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[28:50] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.

[28:51] Speaker 4: That's...

[28:52] Speaker 3: Definitely rigged.

[28:53] Speaker 2: So, the Democrats-

[28:53] Speaker 3: Probably rigged.

[28:54] Speaker 4: That's crazy.

[28:54] Speaker 2: Well, how would you address... 'Cause I know we want to keep it... We just have a few more ques- minutes with you, but-

[28:59] Speaker 3: Oh, come on, Julie. Open up. S- you know, we're, we're, we're...

[29:02] Speaker 2: Well, that's letting-

[29:03] Speaker 3: Let freedom ring.

[29:04] Speaker 2: That's-

[29:04] Speaker 3: Let freedom ring.

[29:04] Speaker 2: That's letting... So, how, how would you deal with some of this?

[29:08] Speaker 4: Well, I will stand... Uh, I think it's funny that, uh, that these, these folks have been, uh, crying out that we need to unify as a party while telling, uh... In case of the, uh, the vote, uh, two years ago down in Pueblo, 90% of the assembly and, uh, this la- this last, uh, you know, month, um, a over... An- a- a suitably also overwhelming majority of the assembly, uh, to sit down and shut up-

[29:31] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[29:32] Speaker 4: ... effectively. And I will stand with the majority.

[29:36] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[29:37] Speaker 4: Because that's how you unify.

[29:40] Speaker 2: Right.

[29:40] Speaker 4: If you're not standing with the majority, if you're demanding that 80% bend to 20% or 90% bend to 10%-

[29:47] Speaker 3: No.

[29:47] Speaker 4: ... you don't want unity, you want capitulation.

[29:49] Speaker 3: Well, maybe it's like in a slave plantation where the, where the slave owner goes out to the field and say, "Look, all you guys, we've got to unify, right? I mean, we, we got a war coming up about freeing you people, but we, we need to unify here on the plantation." And the slaves, which are us, the, the grassroots going, "I'm not sure I want to unify." (laughs)

[30:08] Speaker 2: It's really good point. It's... When you're looking at the kind of overwhelming pr- majority, it's, it's not like it's, you know, 49/51. It's like you say, 90/10 and the 10

[30:20] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[30:20] Speaker 2: ... I would argue all have a ve- a vested fin-

[30:23] Speaker 3: And, and, and-

[30:23] Speaker 2: Let me finish. A vested financial interest in it. It, it is unified, so you don't need to unify anything.

[30:28] Speaker 3: Right, but, but I would say if you look at the votes-

[30:31] Speaker 2: You just need to carry-

[30:31] Speaker 3: ... over the years. It's been maybe 55, maybe up to 60 for the grassroots, 55, and 45, 40 the other way.

[30:39] Speaker 2: On bigger issues, on other issues.

[30:40] Speaker 3: On, on bigger, bigger issues. So it's not like you have to stomp on just a few ants. I mean, it's, it's gonna be a, a, a little bit of a, of a war and a bloodbath, and hopefully those who represent the majority of Republicans, not all, um, can win this one and say, "Look, now we've got this system." So, and then, you know, they'll do one of two things, well, three things. One, they'll become Democrats. Yay. Um, two, um, they, they will, in fact, uh, accept the, the caucus, whatever system we, we adopt, and try to win it. And they can, and we want them to try because we want an active fight within, you know. We want a real primary, not a Democratic primary, but a real, uh, primary. Um, or they'll just drop out of politics. Um, but it's, it's, we've got to be able to risk that in order to have a party that is actually, will be at one time competitive, not today, one time be competitive.

[31:38] Speaker 3: Julie asked me, "Will it get us more votes in the next election?" Not in the next election, um, but when Colorado is trashed sufficiently, you'll have a party that stands for something. We will not be a party that kind of goes, "Oh, yeah, the same. We believe..." So when you come up, you kind of go, "Well, we believe the same thing as the Democrats." They go, "Why do, why should we vote for you?" Eventually, you'll, you'll have a party that says, "We have a vision.

[32:00] Speaker 3: We have an alternate," and they'll finally go, "Let's give them a try."

[32:04] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[32:04] Speaker 3: But if you, all you are is Democratic-lite, they go, "What difference does it make that we give you a try? You'll do the same thing."

[32:11] Speaker 4: No, it's, uh, people don't, people are not in the center because of, uh, nuanced understandings of, of the issues.

[32:21] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[32:21] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[32:21] Speaker 4: People are in the center because they don't believe the issues matter to them, and they just, they don't care. And that, that's more classically known as apathy.

[32:30] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[32:31] Speaker 4: And the cure for apathy is bold vision and leadership and passion. And when people see that, they go, "Oh, they believe in what they're doing." They are, like, that's what's attractive to people.

[32:47] Speaker 2: Right.

[32:47] Speaker 4: Uh, I don't think anybody's ever gotten their, uh, their ex, uh, you know, ex-girlfriend, ex-boyfriend back by groveling and, you know, "Please, I'll do whatever you want."

[32:58] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[32:59] Speaker 4: Like, nobody, nobody likes that.

[33:01] Speaker 2: No. (laughs) And it's-

[33:02] Speaker 3: (laughs) You gotta, you gotta hit the gym.

[33:04] Speaker 4: It takes a team.

[33:04] Speaker 3: You gotta, you gotta be looking good.

[33:07] Speaker 2: Well, let me just get a final, kind of open-ended there. I mean, what, what do you want people to-

[33:12] Speaker 3: Yeah, come away with-

[33:13] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[33:14] Speaker 3: ... for the 30th?

[33:15] Speaker 4: Oh, for the 30th. Well, yes, if, uh, well, if you're, if you're going to be a state central committee member, or, or you are a state central committee member, um, I'm the only guy in this thing that, uh, that has, or that currently is a member of the state central committee. I'm the only guy who's actually been front row, you know, front and center for all of this since 2010. Uh, every, all the other candidates are, uh, frankly, uh, you know, coming in and having to be briefed on what's going on and what's happened. I know how it's gone down because I was there. I was there. I watched it. I've seen it. I don't have to be told what happened. I lived it. And, uh, if you're, if you're proud to be a Republican, if you have, if you consider this party to be a, uh, a useful and, and a, a necessary thing, then let's get, let's get on. Let's become, like, let's remember what Republicans are. Let's be Republican.

[34:14] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[34:14] Speaker 4: And that's, that's, that's what I'm running for, is to basically get a Republican, a Colorado Republican Party that is Republican again. And that's, that's, that's all we can ask for.

[34:27] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[34:28] Speaker 4: Because if we don't, uh, if we continue to just be, uh, the party that, uh, that lends itself out for, uh, for donor dollars, well, when your, when your opinion and your soul is p- bought and paid for, there's a, there's a definition for that.

[34:45] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[34:46] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[34:46] Speaker 4: And, and it's a little more offensive than politician.

[34:49] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[34:49] Speaker 3: I, I don't think there is anything.

[34:51] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[34:52] Speaker 3: Not even lawyers know what that is.

[34:55] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[34:55] Speaker 2: Jeremy, then thank you for your time.

[34:58] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[34:58] Speaker 2: And it's great of you.

[34:59] Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for having me.

[35:00] Speaker 2: Yeah, no, and I think because this is, you know, and this is a hugely important race.

[35:04] Speaker 3: It really is, yes.

[35:04] Speaker 2: You know, a lot of times it's, you know, maybe grassroots care, R- you know, RyonosCare, but this is for the entire, anyone who's a Republican, this is a hugely important race. So we appreciate all the time-

[35:14] Speaker 3: It is.

[35:14] Speaker 2: ... and energy and effort, because it, it's not probably the most fun thing you could be doing, so.

[35:19] Speaker 3: Yeah, it is, true.

[35:20] Speaker 4: There, there are a lot of other things I could be doing. I, I have 10 grandkids in this state, and, uh, that's why I'm motivated to make sure it doesn't go completely off the rails into California.

[35:31] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[35:31] Speaker 2: All right.

[35:31] Speaker 3: It's going there too.

[35:32] Speaker 2: All right. Thank you, Jeremy, for your time.

[35:34] Speaker 3: Thanks, Jeremy.

[35:34] Speaker 2: Appreciate your time.

[35:35] Speaker 4: See you guys.

[35:36] Speaker 2: Jeremy, good odd, the election is going to be in, uh, Buena Vista, Buena Vista. Oops, forget which, I know there's, there's the-

[35:43] Speaker 3: Buena.

[35:43] Speaker 2: Right, whatever.

[35:44] Speaker 3: Just, just slur that.

[35:45] Speaker 2: The west-

[35:45] Speaker 3: Just Buena Vista.

[35:45] Speaker 2: Yeah, Buena Vista, um, on-

[35:47] Speaker 3: Buena Vista.

[35:47] Speaker 2: ... on May 30th, so we'll keep you, and I said before, um, if there is any chair candidate out there, because I think this is such an important race, we're happy, but just reach, ev- pretty, pretty much people know how to get ahold of us, reach out and we'll be, we're happy to have them on too. So wanted to bring you up to speed on this whole Klenda thing, because it's interesting. There is a lot of, I guess I would say confusion. It's not really misinformation, it's just confusion. To back it up real quick, we've, we've been talking about this for a while. Um, we recently found out, we being the party, that former chair Britta Horn, and her personal attorney, Steve Klenda, right before she resigned, secretly met with the judge, misled the judge, and Britta signed off, and the judge signed an order granting a judgment, um, to Klenda, saying the party has to pay him $231,000 plus 18% interest.

[36:34] Speaker 3: And that's, that's, it's insult to injury because the statutory rate is about 8%. They go, "Oh, no, we, we haven't our...... on an agreement, and he attached to the agreement, this is great, not in agreement with the Republican Party but his personal representative of Brita Horne, like, three months before-

[36:52] Speaker 2: She was even elected to the chair.

[36:52] Speaker 3: ... he became party chair.

[36:54] Speaker 2: Well, and the thing is, is there are some confusions because some people think, "Well, this means the party has to write him a check." It's like, no, this means that Klenda can garnish the Republican Party bank accounts.

[37:04] Speaker 3: And take any property it owns. Luckily we own no property, but if we did-

[37:08] Speaker 2: And, and simply hits-

[37:08] Speaker 3: ... um, I don't know if we have any chairs or anything else, I mean.

[37:11] Speaker 2: Until he hits the $231,000 plus interest. So he can... And so as of Friday that... So the, the, the law has, like, a 14-day sort of waiting period, right? That waiting period ended Friday. As we predicted, Klenda, first thing in the morning-

[37:26] Speaker 3: First thing, yeah.

[37:27] Speaker 2: ... as fast as he could, filed for the necessary writ that he would then tank, take to the bank to get our money, to take the money out. Fortunately, the party lawyers, our party lawyers were on top of it. They filed essentially sort of an emergency stay. On the other hand, the emergency stay is contingent on the party-

[37:45] Speaker 3: Because of the judge, not because our opinion.

[37:46] Speaker 2: Because of the judge, yeah. Because the judge's order said, "Okay, I'll extend the waiting period until, like, May 21st," I think it is. But that's contingent on the party putting up a $289,000 bond, which is impossible. The party, they have, like, $10,000 in the bank account. Um, so the party lawyers are now working on an emergency motion for the judge to reconsider that. But as, as I understand it, right now the judge could just simply sign that writ.

[38:13] Speaker 3: He doesn't sign it as, as the-

[38:14] Speaker 2: No, he doesn't. The clerk signs it.

[38:15] Speaker 3: The clerk signs. It's not something they usually engage in.

[38:17] Speaker 2: There's no gu- It's not usually an automatic thing, right?

[38:20] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. If you have a valid writ, it's an account. It's usually you have the, not the debtor as much as the, the, um, the garnishee say, "Uh, well, wait a minute. That's not, you know, party account," or, "This is not this," or something else. Um, here you kind of go, "No, it was, it was obtained by fraudulent or at least suspect means."

[38:40] Speaker 2: That's our argue, that's our argument. Now-

[38:42] Speaker 3: Well, I think it's a good one.

[38:43] Speaker 2: It is a great argument, yeah. I mean, but the, the big question is does the judge, what does the judge think, right?

[38:48] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[38:48] Speaker 2: And the judge may say yes, the judge may say no. I mean, bottom line, I think the party has, the party could say... I mean, they could put up $3,000 or something, which is, which is useless. So either the judge is going to say w- you know, maybe the judge may say, "Hey, wait a minute. Whoa, there's a lot here apparently I don't know," and he'll hold the hearing. But, uh, I don't know. But as it stands right now though, unless the judge grants that motion to reconsider, uh, you know, Klenda has the ability to get the writ to go to the bank and take out the money. That's how dire the situation is. And a lot of people, we talked about this before, are arguing about bylaws here and bylaws there.

[39:24] Speaker 3: They say, say, "But you have a meeting on Thursday or Saturday. If you don't do it Thursday, then the world will end." You go, "No, buddies, y- you don't get the existential problem we're in."

[39:35] Speaker 2: (laughs) Yeah.

[39:35] Speaker 3: We're about to expire totally, and you're nitpicking about nothing.

[39:40] Speaker 2: So this is... Yeah, whoever the chair is, this is something that they're going to have to deal with because even if they get... I, I mean, unless the judge just revokes his judgment, which could happen, but, you know, this will all be som- somewhat decided on May 21st if Klenda doesn't take whatever money is there in the meantime. But the new chair, and this is one thing I think people are going to have to unite around. Um, o- otherwise there would be no party.

[40:02] Speaker 3: Well, Jacob correctly says, "So create a new Colorado Republican Party." The problem you have of doing that, and they did something equivalent of that in El Paso. The El Paso Republican Party has a different name than most of-

[40:16] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[40:17] Speaker 3: No, it was a different one. It was before that. It was when-

[40:20] Speaker 2: Right.

[40:20] Speaker 3: ... Gardner was county chair. Um, but that's not as easy as you think. One, you have to be recognized by the, um, national party, um, or they won't deal with you.

[40:31] Speaker 2: Or the state.

[40:32] Speaker 3: Um, or the state would not be quite because the state would create it, but... Um, and how do you get members over? How do you get... How do you decide that you're the party for the primary? The primary is only a month off, so it's a much bigger-

[40:46] Speaker 2: Plus it's-

[40:46] Speaker 3: ... a much bigger hurdle than you think, although you're thinking strategically there, Jacob.

[40:52] Speaker 2: Well, I know, but I, I, I'll be honest. I mean, from what I've heard, that's something that some people have brought up. Maybe we should do-

[40:56] Speaker 3: So then, then, then let the national party pay the money. They're not going to.

[41:00] Speaker 2: No, they're not going to. They're separate entities. Keep that in mind. The Republican Par- It's a completely separate entity. They're, they're affiliated-

[41:05] Speaker 3: They're not a subsidiary, which some people are-

[41:08] Speaker 2: Okay, okay.

[41:08] Speaker 3: ... say, "Oh, I'll take this up to the RNC," and they go-

[41:10] Speaker 2: The RNC can't tell us.

[41:11] Speaker 3: The RNC can't overrule the state party. You cannot give... The, the, the power that the, that the state, the national party has over the local party is just say, you know, "You want, you know, half a million dollars for things, or don't you want it?"

[41:25] Speaker 2: Well, and it becomes-

[41:26] Speaker 3: That's his power. He has no power. It's no appeal, uh, to the national Republican Party to say, "This is unfair. I'm taking this to the national..." They have no jurisdiction. Their only, they... The only power they have, and it's a huge one, is, you know-

[41:40] Speaker 2: Give money.

[41:40] Speaker 3: Uh, give money or not give money.

[41:42] Speaker 2: Well, and then you have to be careful too, because under, I think, you know, the, the Colorado Republican Party isn't... It can't declare bankruptcy. It's not an or- it's not a business org- it's not an organization like that. And you have to be careful, I think, to a certain extent too. You can't just say, "Oh, guess what? The Republican Party closed down, and now we've opened up our new GOP party, and here's our new bank account," right? I mean, you have to be care... You know what I mean? Judges don't... Like, you can't just take the money out and move it and call it something new.

[42:07] Speaker 3: You cannot take the money out.

[42:08] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[42:08] Speaker 3: And, and you cannot take the assets, and one of the assets is the name.

[42:12] Speaker 2: Right.

[42:13] Speaker 3: The name of, of the Colorado Republican Party is an asset of-

[42:16] Speaker 2: So it's a tricky, it's a tricky situation. And, and once again, I'm just going to, in the spirit of non-unity, point out to the congressional elected officials, to the Barb Kirkmeyers, to all of the RINOs who shoved Brita Horne down our throat-

[42:28] Speaker 3: Yes.

[42:28] Speaker 2: ... and who refused to vote with the rest of us to fire Klenda-

[42:31] Speaker 3: Natalie Keene.

[42:32] Speaker 2: This is what you guys created.

[42:34] Speaker 3: Yes.

[42:34] Speaker 2: You brought the party. I mean, who knew that they would be vi- that Brita and Klenda would be so vindictive? Well, we saw evidence of that all along, and so here... This is, this is nothing more than an attempt to destroy the party, and-

[42:47] Speaker 3: Well, let's, let's bring, uh, Ray Garcia on, he's... if he has anything to add. Ray, would you like to-

[42:53] Speaker 2: (laughs) He's...Alyce (laughs) M- We're picking on you now. We have to-

[42:55] Speaker 3: We're picking on you.

[42:56] Speaker 2: ... we're calling on you.

[42:56] Speaker 3: We're calling on you. Yeah.

[42:57] Speaker 2: You might as well unmute yourself. If not, that's okay.

[42:59] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's okay if we don't-

[43:00] Speaker 5: Hey, guys.

[43:01] Speaker 2: Hey there.

[43:02] Speaker 5: Oh, I was actually, I was actually just, uh, talking to, uh, so I am, I'm ru- the one running the, uh, uh, lawsuit against Klenda.

[43:10] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[43:10] Speaker 2: Right.

[43:10] Speaker 5: And, um, and I was just on the phone a minute ago talking to the pro se, uh, court. So there's basically nothing's going on right now. We're just waiting. Um, we're waiting-

[43:20] Speaker 3: Ray, you have a status conference coming up, don't you?

[43:22] Speaker 5: Yes.

[43:23] Speaker 3: When is that?

[43:25] Speaker 5: Uh, uh, I don't ha- I don't have my notes in front of me right now.

[43:29] Speaker 3: You can't get those though, Ray.

[43:30] Speaker 5: (laughs) I got way too many things-

[43:30] Speaker 3: No, I think it's either the 19th or 21st. I can't remember which the 20th-

[43:33] Speaker 5: Yeah, it's, it's either the 19th or 21st. I think it's the 21st, but-

[43:38] Speaker 3: Okay.

[43:38] Speaker 5: ... don't quote me. I got too many other things going on in my head right now.

[43:40] Speaker 2: Yeah, no. You've got, you guys, I mean, and, and once, and, and I think, um, thank you, Ray, to Ray and all of the people who have been-

[43:46] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[43:46] Speaker 2: ... stepping up and, and, and, you know, the lawyers. It's like, well, Steve Klenda's getting, you know, paid. There's billing as a million dollars for an hour's worth of work. You've got th- you know, the current party lawyers are, are working their butts off and they're not getting a million dollars per hour.

[43:59] Speaker 3: Yeah, they're letting people like Ray-

[44:00] Speaker 5: I, I know I sure ain't.

[44:01] Speaker 2: Ray, you're not getting a million dollars either per hour.

[44:03] Speaker 3: Sure.

[44:03] Speaker 5: (laughs) this is costing me.

[44:06] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[44:06] Speaker 5: I tell you what, the bills keep coming in. (laughs)

[44:09] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[44:09] Speaker 2: All right. Well, that's good to know then that one is kind of there. And I think that's good because if we can have... That's a d- the thing is, is that's a whole different judge. But at least if we have a ruling where the judge says, "No, you did fire Klenda," 'cause we have Britta saying that motion passed, um, then we can take this to the current judge and say, "See, w- w- we fired him. We told you we fired him."

[44:27] Speaker 3: Well, more than that, I mean, I would think that the, the judge in Ray's case would kind of, "What do you mean you filed it in a different court and gave no notification to me or to anyone else that you were going in, at least on issues that are closely related to my case?" Um, and so that, that-

[44:45] Speaker 2: It's kind of a judicial no-no.

[44:46] Speaker 3: Y- yeah.

[44:47] Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, Jay, exactly.

[44:48] Speaker 3: Once again, a judge can take offense at what I want, but many judges would take enormous offense. So that, that status conference, which I don't really know who would come in totally for the party, but, um, I mean, it should be Randy. Um, but I think he only made a limited appearance, so who knows? Maybe Klenda would come in too as a-

[45:06] Speaker 2: (laughs) He'll be the party. He'll be representing himself in the party again. All right. Well, Ray, hey, thank you. And thank you for the work that you're doing there.

[45:13] Speaker 3: Yeah, great work. It's great.

[45:14] Speaker 2: We can't... Yeah, we could be-

[45:15] Speaker 5: Yeah, on that, uh, real quick on that. Um, Klenda is being sued personally, and Britta is being sued personally-

[45:21] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[45:21] Speaker 5: ... on that case. So they, they-

[45:23] Speaker 2: Okay.

[45:23] Speaker 3: Ray, did you get a default judgment against Britta?

[45:27] Speaker 5: Not yet.

[45:29] Speaker 2: Okay.

[45:30] Speaker 3: Okay.

[45:30] Speaker 2: Okay. Um, all right. Well, all right. Well, good. Well, Ray, thank you for that. Appreciate it.

[45:34] Speaker 5: All right, guys. Have a good one.

[45:36] Speaker 3: All right, thank you.

[45:36] Speaker 5: Love the show.

[45:37] Speaker 2: All right. No, thank you. Thank you. Well, so that's the status of that. Um, and we'll keep you posted just as we keep saying, it's a fast developing story. Um, and, you know, we should b- be getting some answers hopefully this week. Hopefully, you know, the judge pro- yeah. Hope- hopefully the judge will say, "Okay, but wait a minute. There seems to be some confusion here, perhaps on my part. Um, so we need to sort that out."

[45:58] Speaker 3: Yeah. Shouldn't h- e- you know, the, uh, unincorporated service, associate, nonprofit association cannot represent itself-

[46:05] Speaker 2: Right.

[46:05] Speaker 3: ... in court. Uh, and it appears that Britta did, or maybe Klenda represented both parties.

[46:11] Speaker 2: A lot of legal, legal issues.

[46:12] Speaker 3: So it- it... The judge probably should not have done that, but we'll find out.

[46:16] Speaker 2: Yeah. Judges, yeah. You have to say-

[46:18] Speaker 3: Just do what they want so it'll return, yeah.

[46:20] Speaker 2: You keep returning, you're returning. Hey, let me then, 'cause I- that's gonna wrap it up for us today, but on Wednesday, this should be kind of fun. The New York Post's, um, Seth Baron has a new book out. It's called Weaponized: The Left's Capture and Destruction of America's Sacred Institutions. Not only will it have the latest what's going on in the Republican Party in Colorado, but I think that should be a pretty interesting interview too.

[46:37] Speaker 3: Well, and we also, we hope today, but that's such a great show and so many great guests, um, that, that, uh, to go over the incredible, uh, one-hour interview by Peter Boyles with, with, um, Victor Marx. Um, it was an incredible hour. They devoted the whole show, I don't think intentionally, to Jeff and Billy all three, well, three of the four hours, the last three hours.

[47:00] Speaker 2: Yeah. Pretty interesting.

[47:02] Speaker 3: And it's become a huge thing. Um, I, I think I'm unclear why the, why the Mandy Kyles and the Michael Browns and everyone else is so interested in destroying Victor Marx. I mean, well, there's so many other things going on-

[47:17] Speaker 2: Like-

[47:18] Speaker 3: ... that they go, "Yeah, we killed Victor Marx."

[47:20] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[47:20] Speaker 3: He killed everybody, you bums. I mean, what's wrong with you?

[47:23] Speaker 2: (laughs) I felt wiser, but that's what Justin-

[47:25] Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

[47:25] Speaker 2: Hey, listen, that'll do it for us. Thank you to, um, to Jeremy, the guys at BBS, Ray, everybody in Zoom, and we will see you all on Wednesday.

[47:31] Speaker 3: Take care, everyone.