[00:01] Speaker 1: (dramatic music) Chuck and Julie, bringing you the truth straight up.

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[00:35] Speaker 3: Well, hello there.

[00:35] Speaker 2: Hello.

[00:35] Speaker 3: How are you?

[00:36] Speaker 2: Go ahead, Chuck. Chuck is here-

[00:37] Speaker 3: So- so-

[00:37] Speaker 2: ... on the phone so you take it away. I'm sorry.

[00:41] Speaker 3: All right. Chuck on the phone, Julie on-

[00:44] Speaker 2: (laughs)

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[00:49] Speaker 2: That's right. Brought you by Mountain West Wellness Advanced Acupuncture & Chinese Medicine. Chuck is at the Glendale Dry Creek Chronicle world headquarters, where he's having some kind of computer issues, and so he's joining us on the phone. Um, hey, and a lot of stuff to talk about today, but want to kind of open it up to you guys too. So anyone who's joining us on Zoom, feel free at any point to kind of unmute yourself and chime in if you want. Um, if you want to call in, 888-627-6008, 888-627-6008. But Chuck wanted to start out today with, I think, a great idea, the SAVE Act, and can the SAVE Act save Colorado? And Chuck, why don't you ex- ex- explain your thoughts on that?

[01:31] Speaker 3: Well, the SAVE Act has lots of provisions, uh, all of which, you know, updating voter rolls, making sure that, you know, dead ones come off and all kinds of things that would be on the margin is helpful, but it does two things that are incredibly important, um, in addition to- to having voters having to show that they- they're, you know, they are, um, United States citizens with... There's lots of ways to do it, um, with passports and birth certificates and even certain driver's license, not the Garbalzo one but- but one, but the two provisions that are really important for Colorado and would change the state, one is on registrations. You have to go in order to register. You can't just register online. And Julie, why don't you tell us about that wonderful thing we just had with our son, Rev?

[02:23] Speaker 2: Yeah, with Re- Yeah. So Colorado has what they call Motor Voter. So anything you do at the Department of Motor Vehicles, right, when you go there, what you have to do if you're... You know, if you're... Like, Rev was getting his learner's permit, right? Um, if you need an ID, anything, right, you know, need to register your vehicle, get a title, any of those kinds of things, anything you have to do at the Colorado Department of Motor Vehicles, you're automatically registered to vote. Okay? Now, I was there, um, the other day with Rev, um, and- and number one, there were a- a lot of, as you can imagine, people there who were not speaking English. They had to have interpreters. So number one, I would wonder, are they... But the people were asking them, "Do you want to register to vote?" Um, Rev is 15, um, and they, uh, um, asked him if he wanted to register to vote and he said yes. But I- I don't think any of that mattered.

[03:13] Speaker 2: I think because what happened then, a couple of days later, well before he's going to get his actual physical permit, he got a letter in the mail saying, um, you know, that he could register as a Democrat, Republican, or just not do anything and then he'd be an unaffiliated voter, and they would mail a ballot to him. And then it said, "Now keep in mind that you're only 15, so you actually can't vote. Um, and keep in mind that you have to be a US citizen." Um, but there was basically, you know, there was nothing. So Rev just put down Republican, good for him, and we- we sent it back to the Department of Motor Vehicles. Um, so I'll be curious to see if he actually gets a ballot. But all of these people, I- I mean, the letter came, like I said, within three days, which, you know, su- th- the Democrats, Chuck, if nothing, aren't efficient, right?

[03:57] Speaker 2: It takes forever to get your actual permit from the DMV, the-

[04:00] Speaker 3: Right.

[04:00] Speaker 2: ... actual physical permit.

[04:01] Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

[04:02] Speaker 2: You get a, you get a letter registering you to vote within days, and if you don't do anything, well, you're automatically registered as unaffiliated. There's- there's no-

[04:09] Speaker 3: Well, an- a- a- you're auto- automatically registered, and it just goes in effect, uh, on your- on your, uh, 18th birthday. Um, and it's always interesting, when do you have to be 18 exactly? And they finagled with that. So, well, even though, uh, if you're 18 by the time of the election itself, even though when you filled out the absentee ballot you were 18, that counts. Um, and every other-

[04:37] Speaker 2: Well, I just think that... I'd be curious to see if he actually gets a ballot. I'm going to go out on a limb here and given Jena Griswold's corruption level, I'm going to bet that he gets a ballot, right?

[04:47] Speaker 3: Uh, uh, probably not-

[04:49] Speaker 4: Yeah, can I- can I tell-

[04:49] Speaker 3: ... but maybe. Anything is possible.

[04:50] Speaker 4: Can I-

[04:50] Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead.

[04:51] Speaker 4: Can I-

[04:51] Speaker 3: Anything is possible.

[04:52] Speaker 2: Go ahead. Jump in, Jake.

[04:52] Speaker 4: Can I tell you something? Okay. First of all, this is not under Janet, uh, Jena Griswold. This is under whoever runs the Department of Revenue-

[05:00] Speaker 2: Right.

[05:00] Speaker 4: ... because they're the ones in charge of the, uh... That's the person to go after.

[05:04] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[05:04] Speaker 4: Then you can say that you're- you're using state funds for an illegal- for an illegal, um, procedure.

[05:12] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[05:12] Speaker 4: Uh, I- I- I don't know the technical word, but that's who... I wouldn't go after... I would go after the Treasurer of the State of Colorado-

[05:17] Speaker 2: Okay. That's a good point.

[05:19] Speaker 4: ... because he's the one, he's the one that's issuing that ballot, not Jena Griswold.

[05:24] Speaker 2: Right. Well-

[05:25] Speaker 4: Okay?

[05:25] Speaker 2: ... you would think-

[05:25] Speaker 3: All right. Why- why is he any different though? He's just another left-wing nutball and the-

[05:30] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

[05:31] Speaker 4: Right. But- but in- in Mich- in Michigan- in Michigan, uh, Jocelyn Benson, the Secretary of State, her signature is on every driver's license. That's... Then you would go after the... But no, I would go after- after the Treasurer of the State of Colorado-

[05:47] Speaker 2: Okay. Well, and it is-

[05:47] Speaker 4: ... and say that you're using- you're using funds-

[05:49] Speaker 3: There's no going after anybody.

[05:50] Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and it is- but- but I-

[05:50] Speaker 3: There's no going after anybody. There's no going after anybody.

[05:54] Speaker 2: Just give them a case here.

[05:54] Speaker 3: All you can do is you can pay no attention, and then- then you can sue them in the corrupt Colorado courts-

[06:00] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[06:00] Speaker 3: ... all Democratic judges, and it'll get thrown out. I mean, they don't care.

[06:04] Speaker 2: Yeah.But back to the SAVE Act-

[06:05] Speaker 3: It's, it's the result of the closed system.

[06:07] Speaker 2: Back to the SAVE Act, Ch- so what you're saying, so there are two provisions in it that would... One, you'd have to r- you'd have to w- and this is important, you'd have to actually show up in person to register to vote, right?

[06:19] Speaker 3: Yes. Yes. And you'd have to bring some proof, with a few exceptions, and I don't know all the exceptions. But you'd actually have to go someplace and register to vote. You couldn't be 18. You go for your learner's permit at age 15, and then eventually, you know, you just start getting ballots.

[06:36] Speaker 2: Well, and you couldn't, couldn't be-

[06:36] Speaker 3: So that, that one's critical.

[06:37] Speaker 2: ...couldn't be registering to vote outside Argonaut Liquor Store, right? I think, as I understand it, it would also prohibit online registration, and it would prohibit-

[06:46] Speaker 3: Yes. Yeah.

[06:46] Speaker 2: And it would, and it would prohibit, um, third party registration. I think there's another thing too though, isn't it, that's even more significant, right? Or at least to me, more significant.

[06:55] Speaker 3: Well, basically, it, it would prevent all mail-in v- all mail voting, all mail-in voting. So there are eight states, all far left, including Colorado, uh, I guess seven states, uh, and the District of Columbia, in which you don't have to do anything. You, you automatically get a ballot in the mail. Um, this would prohibit that. You'd have to go back to the old system whereby you have to file. You'd have to request an absentee ballot.

[07:26] Speaker 2: Right.

[07:26] Speaker 3: Um, and so that would destroy a large part of the massive advantage that the Democrats have. It would... So I think it's enough.

[07:36] Speaker 2: Well, no, I think you're s- I think you're right. It is the only way... H- how do I... I think particularly along the front Range, right? The, the progressive liberals along the front Range far... Not far, but outweigh, to a great extent, obviously the Republicans. You have that middle, you know, the, the unaffiliated voters, which in Colorado I think it's pretty clear tend to lean Democrat. I mean, we've talked before. I think Colorado is a blue state. However, like you said, if you could make election, uh, reinstate election integrity, right, where you had to be a U.S. citizen. You had to prove you were a U.S. citizen to vote, so you had to show some degree of interest in voting in the same place. I think... And, and then by then, and like you said, you get rid of the, the all-mail balloting, you could start to really cut down on the amount of fraud. And then you throw in cleaning up the voter rolls. You know, I mean, Mike O'Donnell on X does a great job of...

[08:29] Speaker 2: Every day, he's posting stuff showing houses where people are dead, and they're still getting ballots. People have moved, and they're voting in other states, and they don't even live there obviously, and they're getting ballots. A- a- and I... But that, I think you're right, Chuck. I think that could give Republicans, at least in some areas in particular and, uh, maybe even in Adams County, a fighting chance. Don't you think?

[08:51] Speaker 3: Y- yeah, it would. It would. And so I don't see this discussed anywhere among the RINO Radio. Um, and you know, uh, what, what the Democrats do is every session, they cheat more and more. So all of a sudden, you know, you don't have to be 18 to register. You can register to... You can do a provisional registering at 15, uh, and then you'll get your ballot at 18. And you can... The newest one in legislature, "No, no, you don't get the ballot two and a half weeks or three weeks from now. You'll get it a month, a month plus." I mean, every session, they're adding a new, uh, uh, voter rip-off.

[09:26] Speaker 3: And, and the Republicans just sit there and go, "Ah, okay."

[09:30] Speaker 2: Well-

[09:30] Speaker 3: "We have new rules." Um

[09:31] Speaker 2: And here, here's... That's why we need to have it done federally, because I... This is my explanation for that, is the RINO establishment people, they, they don't want open... You know, they... Well, they want a total jungle primary, right? They are doing the bidding, as we've talked about many times before, of the rich donors who want to have a jungle primary where they control access to the ballot, and they handpick the candidates and spend enough money to get them on the ballot. So the RINO Republicans in... I mean, look at Wayne Williams, right? We have the gold standard. They don't want fair... They don't want election integrity. They want elections that are totally rigged. They just don't want them rigged. They want them rigged by the billionaires, right?

[10:08] Speaker 2: So I, I, I mean-

[10:09] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[10:09] Speaker 2: .... I think that's why they don't do anything.

[10:13] Speaker 3: Well, and they'll discuss... I mean, our good friend Peter had a great program with Joe Oltman on a Saturday. You know, he's uninterested in, in wh- what you call inside baseball, which is the rules by which people vote or don't vote. He just says, "Well, we gotta run longer and hit the bag harder." And in the meantime they just kill off the opponent.

[10:31] Speaker 2: And the quality of the candidate, right? They always fill that up. Well, it's the candidate. It's like, no, it's not. I mean-

[10:35] Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[10:37] Speaker 2: I mean, we've had-

[10:38] Speaker 3: It doesn't matter what kind of candidate it could be. It could be Jesus Christ himself, and he couldn't win.

[10:43] Speaker 2: Right.

[10:43] Speaker 3: But if we get... If, if the Save America Act actually passes, you know, if we really did have a good candidate, and God knows... You know, why would anybody run? Why would a good candidate run when you have no chance of winning?

[10:54] Speaker 2: Right.

[10:54] Speaker 3: You're not gonna get one.

[10:55] Speaker 2: No.

[10:55] Speaker 3: I mean, I like Scott Bottoms, and I like some others and, you know, uh, and Victor Marx is crazy but fun and, and, uh, Joe Oltman is also crazy but fun and, you know. But, but none of them have a chance. So you're not gonna get anybody who, who is really kind of a, a, you know, a, a candidate that can appeal to a lot of people. Now, you might-

[11:16] Speaker 2: Right.

[11:17] Speaker 3: ... get a Barbara Kirkmeyer. Um, but, but, you know, she, she is truly disgusting of all people. Uh, you might as well have a Democrat. So, you know, she's, she, she's gonna run in a primary that she doesn't go to the assembly and, and, uh, she'll... You know, I won't vote for her. I, I don't care what anyone... I won't vote for her.

[11:35] Speaker 2: Right.

[11:35] Speaker 3: Um, and you know, it's, it's just... It's just... It's... You have to get it so that, uh, you know, that if they don't cheat really badly, uh, and get lazy a little bit, Republicans could win. But Republicans have to get w- inside baseball. They gotta go to federal court and sue, because you can't sue in state court.So you can-

[11:56] Speaker 2: Well, and, yeah, and well, and they-

[11:57] Speaker 3: ... contest for the federal election.

[11:59] Speaker 2: You've got the... I mean, they already are, right, with the, the opt-out thing. We've seen Rhonda Brito Horn. It is exactly as we predicted, right? That's just dying a slow death. She doesn't... No major announcements, noth- but nothing's happening on it. And again, I go back to if, if we could have at least the Save Act, and I, I think you're right. Whether... In, in certain places, we're probably still, I would wager, not going to win a statewide seat, right? But you might have a better chance in, say, CD8. You might have a better chance in some of the state legislative races where the districts are a little bit closer. And if you took away the Democrats' ability to cheat, um, then it'd be even closer. And, and I think then you can slowly but surely maybe start to make some legislative changes too, or at least, you know, so we have more than like one person.

[12:43] Speaker 3: Well, you could win the... You could maybe win Attorney General, as Janet Griswold.

[12:47] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

[12:47] Speaker 3: You know, if we had a good... But we don't even have somebody who wants to run for it. Uh-

[12:51] Speaker 2: No. I mean, but there are people running, but yeah.

[12:53] Speaker 3: And-

[12:54] Speaker 2: Um, well, yeah-

[12:55] Speaker 3: And so, I mean, you, I mean, you know, we've had George Bachler try and others try, but, but, but, you know, right now, you know, they've so crooked the system and, and you have to go in federal court and sue about federal elections, because we... And the Republicans also don't ever mention that the judiciary is stacked, so stacked against them, that we have no trust. And they, you know, if we had Dave Woods back we could issue, you know, an announcement that we have no trust in the judicial system. Any judicial system in the Supreme Court finds you cannot vote for Donald Trump because they don't like Donald Trump.

[13:29] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. (laughs)

[13:30] Speaker 3: Uh.

[13:31] Speaker 2: That, that tells us something right there.

[13:32] Speaker 3: Huh.

[13:32] Speaker 2: But what about... Okay, so let's talk about, though, where the SAVE Act is, right? I think Donald Trump today was saying that, hey, he's not going to sign any piece of legislation until they pass the SAVE Act. Um, I, I'm pretty sure, I mean the, the... It, it seems to be fairly, at least in the House, on bipartisan. What's... Where is it now that's the Senate is, it, they're using the filibuster stuff, right?

[13:54] Speaker 3: Yeah, they need 51 votes in order to do a, a... They can't get 50 and then have the vice president there. They need 51 votes, I think. Uh, I don't think it can be 50 and then you get the vice president, but, uh, either one. But now they've got four, you know, Thom Tillis, uh, Mitch McConnell, who is the greatest traitor to the disaster Republican Party and he was leader for decades. Uh, you got, uh, you got, uh, Murkowski, and I think that's enough to take it below. Maybe you need, maybe you need Collins.

[14:25] Speaker 3: But, uh, because of, of, uh, uh, Cornyn's, uh, all of a sudden turn and say, "Oh, I'm for the SAVE Act," miraculously, um, when his opponent said, "Look, you know, I'll drop out."

[14:38] Speaker 2: He said, "Be smart, I'll drop out," when Paxton said that, yeah. (laughs) Well, so, here, here's, here comes the other thing, too, is, um, that, that's even say it passes, you know that states like Colorado, um, will, will appeal it, right? It is the kind of... I, I mean, it's, that, that's not coming to save us anytime soon. But I will say this, at least with... And it has. It's on the-

[15:00] Speaker 3: Oh, no, no, that's not, that's not true at all.

[15:03] Speaker 2: Oh, okay.

[15:03] Speaker 3: Yes, it'll go into federal court. Yes, it'll, you know, one of their Marxist-Leninist nut bags will cal- declare it unconstitutional. But then, you know, you quickly bring it up to the, either the Supreme Court and have them stay the injunction, or to one of the appellate courts, and we have pretty good success-

[15:24] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[15:24] Speaker 3: ... in a lot of the appellate courts. So, it really could. I mean, it could, you know, it could be in, in place for, for, for, for 2070, 2026. I mean, everything, everything could change. But, uh, I'm whining about RINO Radio, but none of them ever talk about Jeff and Billy, no. Uh, Ross Kaminsky, no. Rush to Reason, no. Manny Kown, no. I mean, it's just, they're just-

[15:50] Speaker 2: It is, I think you're right, the-

[15:51] Speaker 3: ... ******* people.

[15:52] Speaker 2: It is the one ho-... I, I mean it's only for federal election, but it is the one hope that Colorado has, I think, um, to-

[15:59] Speaker 3: Well, but, but it'll be so expensive for states to run two different elections. It'd be, you know, really tough for Colorado to, to-

[16:07] Speaker 2: Oh, I know. Right, right, right. Right.

[16:08] Speaker 3: We'll run, we'll run federal elections this way, and we'll run state elections another way.

[16:14] Speaker 2: Right.

[16:14] Speaker 3: That's unlikely that, that states will do that. Now, Colorado, I wouldn't put it past them. I mean, it'd be doubly expensive and everything else, but, um, I think it's-

[16:23] Speaker 2: They'd refuse to refund TABOR then. They'll, they'll, they'll, they won't give us our, our TABOR refunds. They'll be like, "Oh, you have to use it because you Republicans." Well, you, you know, we'll see what happens. Um, obviously Trump is playing hard ball, because I think, like you said, the good news is Trump gets it, right? The good news is Trump gets-

[16:40] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[16:41] Speaker 2: ... how the, the election integrity, how big the election integrity issue is. And that unless you address that-

[16:47] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[16:47] Speaker 2: ... um, it's, you know, you're, it's not... It, it, it's only going to get worse and worse and worse. We saw, and it's confusing, and, and you're right, you know, the people who go election deniers. So in Maricopa County, I saw, you know, the FBI apparently is taking some, um, records, um, that have to do with the 2020, I guess, and other elections where... And it gets kind of complicated where people were saying, okay, they saw filled out mail-in ballots and blank mail-in ballots at the same, in the same location, and that's sort of a viola- They're not supposed to be commingled like that, right?

[17:20] Speaker 2: Um, no evidence-

[17:21] Speaker 3: Right.

[17:22] Speaker 2: ... that, but, but the point is, is if they're doing, if there's some... But given everything else going on in Maricopa County, it, it's like cl- clearly no, no one cared what was going on there, right? And they were just kind of, you know, what, what... If there's, there's no election integrity. If you can't even follow the most basic rules of keeping them separate, what else is going on?

[17:41] Speaker 3: Right, right. Well, they, you know, and I forget what the third state is, but you know, you know they cheated in Maricopa County, you know they cheated in Fulton County, um, and, uh, maybe it's, it's Michigan, uh, and whoever county that is.

[17:56] Speaker 5: Wayne.

[17:56] Speaker 3: Cobb County, whatever it is. That's-

[17:57] Speaker 5: It's Wayne, it's Wayne County.

[17:58] Speaker 3: Um-

[17:58] Speaker 5: No, it was Wayne County.

[18:00] Speaker 3: Wayne?

[18:01] Speaker 5: It was Wayne County.

[18:01] Speaker 2: Wait, yeah.

[18:02] Speaker 5: Detroit.

[18:02] Speaker 3: Oh, uh, yeah.

[18:04] Speaker 2: Uh.

[18:04] Speaker 3: So if you win those three states-... uh, Joe Biden wouldn't have won. It'd have been, uh-

[18:08] Speaker 2: Right.

[18:08] Speaker 3: ... 269 to 269. Um, and so, you know, all this time-

[18:14] Speaker 2: Huh.

[18:14] Speaker 3: ... people are, "Oh, no. What are you talking about?" And, I mean, you know they're, you know they're so desperate to get the ballots back from, uh, Fulton County that they're just, you know, they're going to court.

[18:23] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[18:23] Speaker 3: They're... Why? Why? Why would you do-

[18:25] Speaker 2: They're going to raid, it's going to be like some kind of weird raid on the FBI office and they'll all disappear.

[18:29] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[18:29] Speaker 2: Well, you know, again, to me, it's sort of like say it go no further, it would seem that, like, if you were a secretary of state, um, even in the interest of saving money, but if you had even the remotest interest in election integrity, you would say, "Yeah, you know, we need to purge. We need to at least get all the dead people, (laughs) you know, off our voter rolls. We need to go back into that interstate compact where, where we... if you move and register to vote in another state, we take you off of the Colorado thing." I mean, uh, uh, some of the most basic things, and they refuse to do even that. And, um, that tells you something, right? That there's only one reason you would not want to make sure that the voting system was fair, and that's because it's not, and you just don't want people to know how bad it is.

[19:11] Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it's ke-... you know, every candidate in Colorado for state office, the only thing they should talk about-

[19:17] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[19:17] Speaker 3: ... is how the Democrats have rigged the state.

[19:20] Speaker 2: Right.

[19:20] Speaker 3: That's all you should talk about because nothing else matters.

[19:23] Speaker 2: Mm.

[19:24] Speaker 3: Nothing else matters. How, how the Colorado courts threw... were willing to throw off, uh, the most popular Republican off the ballot because they just felt like it.

[19:34] Speaker 2: Right.

[19:34] Speaker 3: And that's what the Supreme Court did. I mean, the majority of the Supreme Court, I think, got overturned. They were even overturned by the Democrats on the Supreme Court.

[19:41] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[19:41] Speaker 3: So, I mean, they, they ought to fight, and they can't fight. Well, what happens is all we have is, you know, Victor Marx attacking Joe and Joe Marx attacking him, both of... And the one person they don't attack, of course, is Barbara Kruchten, who is the overwhelming favorite.

[19:58] Speaker 2: Right.

[19:59] Speaker 3: Uh, uh, you know, the, the, the absurdity of our Republican candidates. Talk about vote... you know, how, how the Save Act will change everything, and two, you know, what do we do about our court system? What do we do?

[20:12] Speaker 2: Well, uh, you know-

[20:13] Speaker 3: We don't. (whines)

[20:16] Speaker 2: Well, I, I think I would push back, I know, a little bit. If you're a candidate running for office, um, you need to talk about that, but you need to talk about other stuff that people care about, right? If that's all you talk about, you're not-

[20:25] Speaker 3: You're not going to get elected. You're not going to get elect... I, I agree that if you're in a legislative race you could win, you should talk about all kinds of things. But to-

[20:33] Speaker 2: Okay, I see what you're saying.

[20:34] Speaker 3: ... not going to get elected-

[20:36] Speaker 2: Just use it for the thing.

[20:37] Speaker 3: ... and to possibly win, yeah, I mean, as a real candidate for office, you got to talk about a lot of things.

[20:43] Speaker 2: (laughs) Uh, but if you're just-

[20:44] Speaker 3: Uh, but, but it-

[20:44] Speaker 2: ... if you're just running... Well, you want to switch over, so we'll see what happens with that. I'm not holding my breath anything happening anytime soon. What about I- can we, can we switch over to Iran?

[20:52] Speaker 3: Well, I don't know. It's a lot closer than you think, Julia. It's a lot closer. It is within one senator of... Well, they'd have to get, get rid of the filibuster, but that's all it takes is, is to have them do a talking. So it's incredibly close, um, I hate to-

[21:07] Speaker 2: Okay.

[21:08] Speaker 3: ... say. Now, maybe incredibly close-

[21:09] Speaker 2: Still not holding my breath.

[21:10] Speaker 3: ... means incredibly far away, but-

[21:13] Speaker 2: Right.

[21:13] Speaker 3: ... it really is within one vote of actually... And, you know, it's such a, a practical thing, uh, of, of being here in Colorado. I mean, just-

[21:22] Speaker 2: Well, that's why I said, you know, the SAVE Act could maybe save it. So, um, okay. Want to scooch up... Want to move over to Iran? Trump is announcing some stuff today.

[21:30] Speaker 3: Sure, yeah.

[21:30] Speaker 2: Okay, so today-

[21:32] Speaker 3: Well, I didn't, but-

[21:33] Speaker 2: Trump was saying he... Apparently, he did an in- interview with CBS where he said, um, the war is nearing an end way ahead of schedule, from his initial four to five-week kind of prediction about it. He said they have no navy, no air, no communication system. I guess they named a new supreme commander, but no one likes him. Um, and, um, he couldn't find a wife, for whatever reason even. Um, and, um, so anyway, Trump is saying that, you know, "Hey, this is moving quicker." And I wanted to play... Victor Davis Hanson, this is sort of a montage of his stuff, but he had, I thought, a pretty good analysis that I kind of agree with, too. So, Thomas, if we could please play the Victor Davis Hanson soundbite.

[22:11] Speaker 6: No, you can't negotiate with them because they're ideologue or fanatic ideologues. They have a supernatural view of what's going to happen. They've said that Israel was a one-bomb state, got half the Jews in the world in one place, where all you needed was one bomb. I think their strategy was kind of a Muhammad Ali rope-a-dope. Ride it out, Trump would be gone in three years, and you'd get a Joe Biden or a Squad member or a Newsom, and then you're home free to get the bomb, because they would not do anything. That was the strategy. I think it would have worked, actually. So now the question is the domestic support, and the base is going to be very tricky because the MAGA base, remember, it was predicated on no forever wars and no optional wars in the Middle East in reaction to Afghanistan and Iraq. The domestic support will depend on how many American casualties, how quick is it over, and how effective are the results.

[23:05] Speaker 6: If it is over within three weeks, and there's a revolution, and they have some type of transitional government unlike Iraq, then everybody is going to say, "I was for it all along," even the ones that were against it. I think the Democrats are hoping... I'm not saying that out of maliciousness. I think they actually hope that it won't work, even though that would put American lives at risk, what they're posting. It's not just that it was a mistake, but it's wrong, it's evil. Well, if it's evil, then you want it to stop.

[23:32] Speaker 6: If you believe it was an evil decision in the sense of wrong, then you might say, "I disagree with the decision, but now that it's made, I want Americans to prevail and be safe."

[23:41] Speaker 2: I mean, I kind of a- agree with all that. I mean, we've talked before, too. I know there's, um... You know, we were listening to this podcast, um, our son listens to, and the guy, he's funny, and he says a lot of interesting stuff. Um, although he's clearly anti-Trump, but it's kind of... And, and I... His whole theory is that Trump started the whole war so that Jared Kushner could make a lot of money out of rebuilding Gaza.

[24:01] Speaker 2: Um, I'm like, "Well, I think there's a little more to it than that." Um, but I, but I think Victor, he's, he's-

[24:06] Speaker 6: Probably not.

[24:06] Speaker 3: Probably not.

[24:07] Speaker 2: Uh, huh. Yeah, well-

[24:08] Speaker 3: Probably not.

[24:08] Speaker 2: ... maybe that was a factor.

[24:09] Speaker 3: (laughs) Probably.

[24:10] Speaker 2: That was a factor. It wasn't the whole reason. It wasn't the whole reason. I think that, um, that he's right though. I mean, and it's moving quickly. Um, you know, a- and as long as it continues to, I think sooner or later... I mean, Iran seems to be, um, running out of some of the more damaging kind of missiles. I mean, they have those drones, but even that, the, you know, they're using them all up. Um, nobody really seems to be in charge there, um, which has gotta make things difficult. And we continue to bomb the heck out of them, so if, if Trump, if they can, if he can pull this off and at least sort of cease the, uh, fighting, um, you know, here in a few weeks, I don't know. If, if he can't, if it drags on and on, but I don't, I don't see how it could, do you? I think every day that goes by, Iran is weaker and weaker and weaker.

[24:57] Speaker 3: Well, the trouble is you need somebody who, who's going to walk around on the ground and, you know, say, "Okay, we're going to do this." And you know, it, we can't, we don't want to put boots on the ground. Israel, of course, wants us to do everything. Um, and, and, uh, you know, I'm not sure you ever really just bomb somebody into, I guess we did in Kosovo, but just bomb them into surrendering. Um, it's, it's, you know, and, and Israel doesn't care. They, they just want, they want, uh, Iran to be a failed state if they could... Or, or best of all would be, like when we were with the Shah, prior to '79 when Sh- Iran was a big booster of Israel, uh, but you know, our interests and Israel's interests aren't always the same. Sometimes they're the same, but not always.

[25:51] Speaker 2: Right. Well, again-

[25:52] Speaker 3: But I don't think-

[25:52] Speaker 2: Hopefully Trump kind of keeps that separate and my guess is he will. Um, uh, a- and you know, and I think, to me, it seems, we talked about this a little bit last time, it's like okay, so they were building a nuclear weapon, um, and you know, you can quibble about how close were they, were they three weeks, were they whatever? But they were building it.

[26:11] Speaker 3: Right, right.

[26:12] Speaker 2: And absolutely, and they weren't building it for deterrence, they were building it to use on Israel, right? And whoever else they could maybe get it to. So they, as soon as they had it done, they were going to use it, so there was no point in waiting and there was no point... Negotiations weren't working because like Victor Davis Hanson said, they had this, uh, their, their ideology was not practical based, right? They weren't trying to boost their economy, they were trying to destroy Israel, take over the world, um, a- and which of course wasn't going to happen, but they, you know, it was their job. I think they still had to, to, to give it their best shot. Um, and, and so you can't negotiate with somebody like that, right? You don't have anything they want. Um, and so that you can't give them anything, and the only thing you could do is stop them, and Trump finally went in and did.

[26:56] Speaker 2: And I think, I kind of suspect, and I don't know, Tom-

[26:59] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[26:59] Speaker 2: ... you may disagree. I suspect that once Trump feels that he's largely eliminated the, um, the military threat, right? Um, that he might pull back. Now you got the whole oil thing. I mean, gas prices are surging, which always kills me. It's like whatever gas is at the pump right now was in the system a long time ago, right? So I don't know. They, I think-

[27:20] Speaker 3: Right, yeah.

[27:21] Speaker 2: ... they've got to come up with something else. And, and I got a feeling that Trump might be saying to the oil companies, "Hey, you guys want to go into Venezuela, right? Somebody wants to work in Iran when this is over, right?" Well, okay, that's knock off the, the gas price thing. But I, but I mean, I don't, to me, I, I don't understand wh- it's not really a make, Make America Great Again. I mean, it's, it's just, it's a common sense national security issue to me, and you know, I know the MAGA fig- you know, things fight, but I just think anymore, so much of that is just clickbait. People, you know, people are trying to boost their audience one way or the other that they become unreasonable. But anyway, my bottom line is this. I don't see that Trump had a choice. I'm glad he did it, and I bet he's not going to stick around. He's not going to try to rebuild the regime.

[28:00] Speaker 2: He's going to make sure the threat is gone, and then I think we're going to move away and s- you know, then, then maybe let diplomacy take over.

[28:09] Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we'll see. (laughs)

[28:11] Speaker 2: Well, what do you think?

[28:12] Speaker 3: We'll see, um...

[28:13] Speaker 2: You, you think he's gonna... You think Israel's gonna force him to keep going?

[28:19] Speaker 3: Yeah, probably. He'll probably tell them, "You can't stop now, buddy." Um...

[28:23] Speaker 2: Well, (laughs) I don't know. Trump may be like, "That's a good idea," but I don't know. Okay, well nothing, nothing else on that then? You're kind of done with Israel or with Iran or-

[28:32] Speaker 3: Well, uh, well, I don't know if I'm done with it. I mean, I just, you know, it, the, the, the problem is, you know, one of the biggest mistake Israel made was to have people like Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro just go out and say, "Anybody who's not for whatever Netanyahu says is an anti-Semite." And you're all going, "Really?" I mean, we have to do exactly what Netanyahu says, or we're anti-Semite? And if you know somebody and are willing to talk to somebody who doesn't do everything that Israel wants, you're an anti-Semite. And you know, I mean, people like Melin- Megyn Kelly and a lot of other people have really turned on Israel and, uh, you know, it's, it's understandable. I mean, they've, they've really emphasized to us that, you know, for how many years have we done Israel's bidding? Um, as far as the war goes, you know, I think it is...

[29:22] Speaker 3: Iran declared war against the United States-

[29:25] Speaker 2: Huh.

[29:25] Speaker 3: ... uh, 47 years ago.

[29:27] Speaker 2: Right.

[29:27] Speaker 3: And has been sending death to America ever since, and we pretend like we're not. And they killed soldiers in Iraq with IEDs and everything else, so you know, I mean, as long as, as long as we're, we're not just doing another regime change brown war, you got to be for it, don't you?

[29:45] Speaker 2: I think so. No, I would agree with that. And, and again, I kind of suspect, I mean, look what's happened... Because nobody talked about Venezuela, right? It was going to be, oh, that was going to be a forever war too, right? And that's pretty much over. (laughs)

[29:55] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[29:55] Speaker 2: You know? They, it's like-

[29:57] Speaker 3: Well, welcome to 2018.

[29:57] Speaker 2: ... no one wants to talk about it. Uh, you don't see anything like that in the media, but that worked, right? We went in, we took out Maduro, right? And then now they've got a new person in and they're... Kind of things are moving along. The economy's massively improving. Um, and, but, but again, you know, no one hears about that, right? Because they might as well have, like, "Oh, he, you know, he's going to start World War III." Well, he hasn't started World War III. As we said, Russia and China are just kind of sitting on the sidelines. They're the only, I guess, uh-... um, Azerbaijani, Azerbaijan maybe s- did something to Turkey. I, I was... But, you know, but nobody who was, um, a major player. Uh, particularly, I think, if you've seen what the United States could do, right?

[30:35] Speaker 2: So, if you were, like, one of those little countries around there and you're like, "Well, I may be able to shoot off some missiles to help Iran," but then you saw what the United States did to Iran, you might be like, "No, thanks. I'll just stay here." (laughs) You know?

[30:45] Speaker 3: Uh, nevermind. Nevermind.

[30:47] Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and we haven't seen in, in-

[30:48] Speaker 3: Yeah. Probably right.

[30:49] Speaker 2: ... the Middle East having gone crazy in the Strait of Hormuz. Um, the, um... And, you know, in Lebanon, um, the, the Hamas hasn't been... And maybe they can't, right? I mean, maybe Trump did enough cutting off their head, or maybe people are like, "Okay, we can't win this one, but we're not gonna waste whatever weapons we have." You know, I don't know. But they... Uh, Iran... And then they started shooting at all of their friends, or attacking all of their so-called...

[31:14] Speaker 2: Or their neighbors, but-

[31:14] Speaker 3: And then they apologized. Said, "Ah, we're sorry about that." I mean-

[31:17] Speaker 2: And then they did it again, so... (laughs) Um, you know, I don't-

[31:21] Speaker 3: Oh, we're sorry again. Didn't we do... Didn't we bomb the shit out of you? Oh, man. I hate when we do that. I hate when we do that.

[31:26] Speaker 2: Well, there was, there was some indication, and who knows what's true, that the, that the, kind of the people in charge, the politically, and the people in charge militarily were not communicating. (laughs) And, and weren't listening to each other, so.

[31:38] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[31:38] Speaker 2: Um, but, but that's

[31:39] Speaker 5: Okay. Well, let me... Can I talk about Brian Dundep for a second?

[31:44] Speaker 3: Sure.

[31:45] Speaker 2: Okay. So, good news. We actually... A couple... Two good news pieces I wanted to talk about you. So, we've had him on the show forever. He's filled in for us, he's been a long time, he's a great commentator, he's got columns up regularly in American Thinker. Dr. Brian Dundep, he was appointed to the EPA's Clean Air Scientific Advisory Committee. Now, I kind of looked up what does a clean air... There are not that many people on it, really. There's, like, five people, something like that. Five or eight. So it's not like one of those where there's 800 people and your mother on it.

[32:13] Speaker 2: Um, but-

[32:15] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[32:15] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Where it's like, okay, so you and 8,000,000-

[32:17] Speaker 3: Right, right.

[32:18] Speaker 2: ... close friends. But, no, there's just a handful of people. Um, and so what I, I... Look, what does the EPA Clean Air Scientific Advisory Committee do? And it advises the president on clean air. But what's cool is, we've seen Trump and the EPA sort of systematically dismantling some of this regulatory warfare, um, that they've waged, you know, in the name of the environment. And when you get somebody like Brian Dundep, who's a pretty intelligent... Not pretty, he's extremely intelligent, really knowledgeable and really common sense kind of guy, you know, he could be like, "You know, I don't actually think that we're all gonna die of climate change here in the next couple of years, so, I don't know, maybe we can have some, some common sense sort of things going on at the EPA." I don't know. What do you think?

[33:02] Speaker 3: Brian would be great. I mean, just what a, what a, what a intelligent mind, what a, you know... What a, what a great person to have on... I don't know what the advisory panels do. I'm not sure they're... How much th- they listen.

[33:16] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[33:16] Speaker 3: But, if, if he's gonna have a scientific panel-

[33:19] Speaker 2: We might-

[33:19] Speaker 3: ... he'd be great to have on it.

[33:21] Speaker 2: Exactly. Yeah, I've been trying to get him on the show. I mean, he... I think... I'm sure he's busy, so but I texted him and said, "Hey, come on our show." So we'll let you know if we can get him on the show at any time soon. Um-

[33:30] Speaker 3: Good. And who hates this? Has there even any blowback saying, "You can't. You can't have that Neanderthal?" Like Kyle Clark or somebody. Do you remember that?

[33:38] Speaker 2: No, Kyle Clark tweeted that he was on it. He just called them a talk show regular. Um, and he just tweeted.

[33:43] Speaker 3: All right.

[33:44] Speaker 2: And I don't know if Brian Dundep... I didn't see anything from him. I, I mean, maybe there was an announcement. But no. No, it wasn't, it wasn't snarky, uh, given that it was just, you know, straightforward, straightforward. Um-

[33:54] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[33:54] Speaker 2: I'll hear from-

[33:55] Speaker 3: That's it.

[33:55] Speaker 2: ... Jacob, back, back to the Venezuela. Trump's endgame, um, is to choke off the oil that China, Iran and Venezuela and the Panama... Oh, and to cha- to Cha- to China. Iran and Venezuela and the Panama Canal were all players in it. Yeah, I think that's true. And, and to Russia, and, you know. And he's kind of forcing Europe, I think, to take a look at, um, their, you know, fuel relationships too. Um, but I think you're right. As I understand it, it makes it harder and more expensive for China to get to the oil too. And Jacob, if you're... Just unmute yourself. I can see you weighing in. But, um, but I, I don't know. I think... Chuck, back to the Venezuela or the oil thing. I, I just think if you're China, you wanna just wait and see how this plays out. You're not, you're not gonna go to war w- over Iran, do you think?

[34:40] Speaker 3: No, no. They're not gonna go to war with Iran, although they could go to war with Taiwan or something, but-

[34:46] Speaker 2: Oh. Oh, Jacob says, "Once oil goes-"

[34:47] Speaker 3: That is-

[34:49] Speaker 2: He says once oil goes back-

[34:50] Speaker 3: Yeah, well-

[34:51] Speaker 2: ... to $50, Russia collapses. Um, what was it, over $100 a barrel today?

[34:55] Speaker 3: Well, the Russians must kind of like it, all this oil-

[34:58] Speaker 2: Yes.

[34:58] Speaker 3: ... you know?

[34:58] Speaker 2: Yes.

[34:59] Speaker 3: The price over $100. That really just-

[35:01] Speaker 5: Hold on, hold on. I want, I wanna tell you something. I don't know. You missed it.

[35:05] Speaker 2: Okay.

[35:05] Speaker 5: But, um-

[35:07] Speaker 3: Oh.

[35:07] Speaker 5: But, uh, China has ceased sending jets over Taiwan on practice runs because the lack of oil that they have.

[35:16] Speaker 2: Oh-

[35:16] Speaker 3: (laughs) And gas. That's great.

[35:20] Speaker 2: Oh.

[35:20] Speaker 3: That's great. Really?

[35:21] Speaker 5: That's, that's, that's part of the game. Yeah.

[35:22] Speaker 3: I mean-

[35:23] Speaker 2: Oh, okay. Well, yeah, I think-

[35:24] Speaker 3: If we control Venezuelan oil, and there's huge amounts, although it takes a huge investment, um, we can... You know, we don't need, uh, Iranian oil for that matter, but it's gonna be... It's a really... It's gonna be an incredibly tricky geopolitical-

[35:39] Speaker 2: Right.

[35:39] Speaker 3: ... game with, with, uh... I mean, you know, we... We're fa- an oil country, and we're not oil country anymore.

[35:47] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[35:48] Speaker 3: With Texas and other places. Wyoming. I mean, $100 barrel in oil makes a lot of people a lot of money in the United States.

[35:55] Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, I know one guy in Colorado. He, he fracks a lot, um, and he, he produces about 10,000 barrels of oil a week. So at 100 bucks, yeah, that's a lot.

[36:06] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[36:06] Speaker 5: That is a lot of money. Yeah.

[36:08] Speaker 3: Yeah. That is a lot.

[36:08] Speaker 2: Except for Terry, Polis is gonna crack-

[36:10] Speaker 3: Yeah. Who-

[36:11] Speaker 2: Polis is gonna crack down on him. We have to have, we have no oil, no fossil fuels by tw- but in the next, like, four years, six years.

[36:17] Speaker 5: Well, you know, that's the, that's the last thing I'm gonna say is that, that I drive by Cherry Creek, and if you've noticed-... west of the Nordstrom's department store, that's all gated off to be destroyed.

[36:28] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[36:28] Speaker 5: That was a lot, that was a lot of, uh, sales tax money that's not going to be there anymore. Maybe it's time for a mayor to-

[36:35] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[36:35] Speaker 5: ... to, to, to think, to think about, um, uh, drilling over at where the, uh, amusement park is, because-

[36:41] Speaker 2: Yeah, where Elitch is.

[36:42] Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. There you go.

[36:43] Speaker 5: ... there's 500 million barrels. Yeah.

[36:45] Speaker 2: Wow. Well, you know, everybody thinks... Speaking of that, this is kind of just an apropos of nothing, but Denver Business Journal had an article, which I couldn't read the whole thing because it was behind a paywall, but it was saying that they had done a study, and they estimated that the losses, the downtown office vacancies and office sales and, and the property tax and all of that, amounts to like a billion dollars in, in lost revenue to Colorado. And I'm not sure over the timeframe but, but it's like, it, like you said, maybe, maybe they'll have to do that to save it, uh, because, uh, Denver's doing everything it can to destroy itself and, you, that, well, that's just not sustainable financially, I don't think. So, yeah. We'll see.

[37:23] Speaker 2: We'll-

[37:23] Speaker 5: Okay, one, one quick question. When, when you went to get the, um, the driver's license for your son, did he have to show a birth certificate?

[37:33] Speaker 2: Yes. Mm-hmm. Definitely.

[37:34] Speaker 5: All right, so he'll get a real-

[37:35] Speaker 2: Oh.

[37:35] Speaker 5: He'll get a real ID, you know, with a star on the dri- driver's license.

[37:38] Speaker 2: Yes. Yes. Yeah.

[37:39] Speaker 5: Okay.

[37:40] Speaker 2: Yeah. He had a birth cert-... Yeah, and they were kind of picky, um, about what they would take. It was, for him, it could only be a birth certificate or a passport. An American birth certif- a US birth certificate or a passport. I think there were some, if there was a military thing, I mean, if you had u- unusual circumstances, um, uh, y- you know. I didn't h-... All I had to show was like a public utilities bill to show that I was his mom. Um, but yeah, he'll, he'll be a real citizen, um.

[38:06] Speaker 2: Here's the thing-

[38:07] Speaker 5: When, when I got mine, I had to show a birth certificate, but, uh, my... I had an affidavit notarized sa- uh, signed by my mother saying that she would be responsible for my driving.

[38:16] Speaker 2: Oh. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, I had to sign on those too. I, I had to sign onto those too. And actually, the, the driver's license guy was kind of funny because he told Rev, he goes, "You understand this is in effect until you're 16." He said, uh, uh, uh... Yeah. He said, "You're 16." And he said, "So you do anything your mother doesn't like," he said, "all she has to do is call us up and rescind it, and you can't drive."

[38:36] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[38:36] Speaker 5: One, one last thing. Uh, uh, Chuck, Chuck would know this, but I took my driving test on 6th Avenue and Broadway. And that offi-... It's, it's no longer there, but, uh, that's where I took my... That's how old I am.

[38:48] Speaker 2: Oh. Well, you're, you're like this. The whole thing is a scam. They don't even... The DMV doesn't even do driving tests anymore. Um, you have to go through a private company and pay a million dollars, and the private company does the test, then uploads the results into the DMV, and you just kind of upload all of that and then you get your license. It's, it's kind of... Yeah. It, it's perfect for-

[39:07] Speaker 3: I'm sure there's a well-paid contract too to some nice Democratic donors.

[39:11] Speaker 2: Yeah, really. (laughs)

[39:13] Speaker 5: That was, that was the only time I ever took a road test.

[39:16] Speaker 2: Oh.

[39:16] Speaker 5: I took two written tests-

[39:17] Speaker 3: Right.

[39:17] Speaker 5: ... and that was it. Yeah.

[39:18] Speaker 2: Uh, okay. Yeah. Now you, now you would have to pay like 300 bucks to a private company, um-

[39:23] Speaker 5: (laughs)

[39:23] Speaker 3: Right.

[39:23] Speaker 2: ... to have them do it, so... (laughs)

[39:25] Speaker 5: Well, the l- the last, the last time I got a moving violation was back in January of '87, so...

[39:32] Speaker 2: Oh, you're pretty good. (laughs)

[39:34] Speaker 5: All right. Yeah.

[39:34] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. That's the... Unfortunately, if you asked the Bonneville family-

[39:38] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[39:38] Speaker 3: ... all members, uh-

[39:40] Speaker 5: Yep.

[39:40] Speaker 3: ... they would not reach back into another century-

[39:43] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[39:43] Speaker 3: ... after the last moving violation.

[39:45] Speaker 5: (laughs) I never thought about that. All right. Have a good day.

[39:48] Speaker 2: Thanks, Jacob. Thanks. Hey, then the other piece of good news, um, the Democrats have officially dropped their effort to decriminalize or to, to legalize prostitution. Um, they, they bas-

[39:59] Speaker 3: Oh, darn. Darn, darn, darn.

[40:02] Speaker 2: They basically said, "Okay, we don't have the support." And I think in a way it was stupid of them. I'm sure some people... Because, because it did give Republicans a pretty decent talking point for a while about how crazy Democrats are, right? I mean, somebody is probably beating it, but some guy from Pueblo introduced it, um, beating it in his head saying, "Don't do that anymore." You know, "Don't, don't be introducing stupid bills that make us look bad that have no chance of passing that Polis is not going to agree to anyway." Um, but I think it says something, though, about where Democrats are and I think the division of their party, um, that he was able to bring this in the first place, or that he felt confident to bring it and that he didn't, you know... Somebody didn't draw him, take him aside and, you know, and say, "Drop it right now." So he's, he's dropping it after they gave Republicans all this time to talk about it because that would be...

[40:48] Speaker 2: I, I, I mean, just so incredibly stupid if Colorado were to do that.

[40:53] Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's... Well, that's, you know... I mean, hooray, we won.

[41:00] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[41:00] Speaker 3: Or whatever it is.

[41:02] Speaker 2: It's like... I'm not sure. Well, um, and Jacob, I hope the Iran stuff ends soon. He has to be in Israel in a few months. Okay. Yeah, hopefully. Um, well, so that was kind of... Anything else you had on your mind, Chuck? Anything else you want to...

[41:13] Speaker 3: Uh, yeah. I want to, I, I want to talk about why is it... We already brought it up before a little bit. Why is it that, that the few conservatives which, which are... I mean, there are 32 people running for governor or something. But, but, uh, three grassroots people, which, which are, um, uh... Who would they be? They would be-

[41:37] Speaker 2: Victor Marks, Joe Altman and Scott Bottoms.

[41:38] Speaker 3: Um, Mark... Yeah. Mark and, and Joe Altman and, and Scott Bottoms. And, and they're just all attacking each other when the only person they should be attacking is Barbara Kirkmeyer, and she just-

[41:52] Speaker 2: No, I mean, I'll, I'll push, I'll push back on Scott Bottoms. He, he... That I've noticed, he hasn't been attacking the other two candidates. Scott Bottoms has been... And I... He's said some unfortunate things, but I mean, he's been running his own campaign. You know what I mean? Staying in his own lane. Um, I haven't... Some of his people are, but, you know. Um, but, but I haven't seen that. But you're right. I think Joe Altman and Victor Marks, I absolutely agree with you. It's like, you know... And Mark can't consider that before he kind of started siding with Victor Marks. He's like, "Why are we..." You know, we all need to be attacking Barb Kirkmeyer. Um...

[42:26] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.And, and so she's not going to go through assembly.

[42:30] Speaker 2: Okay.

[42:30] Speaker 3: She's already got all the votes, so she can just go on there and the one thing that she won't have is most of the time the Democrats don't have any primary, and here they'll have Bennett and Wiser.

[42:43] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[42:43] Speaker 3: Uh, and that will make them kind, you know, the independents kind of, "Eh, I'm gonna, that's a more important one to vi- vote on." So it'll be, you know, maybe Barbara Kirchmeyer won't, won't prevail, but it's just, you know. Who knows? And, and you know, we've been very much involved with the, uh, the state central committee. We're both members and, you know, uh, very little publicity except for, um, Colorado Politics, one or two articles on, on the fact that Rita Horne had 80% of the Republican Senate have no confidence in her.

[43:19] Speaker 2: No, just, just-

[43:19] Speaker 3: That's extraordinary.

[43:20] Speaker 2: Just like well, uh, yeah. I mean, Dave Williams every time, every time Dave sneezed they did an attack piece on him. But no, you're right, uh, I mean, Rocky Mountain Voice, Heidi Ganahl, never mentioned it. You know, not happening, not happening.

[43:33] Speaker 3: Nothing. I'm just, does that seat cover the Republican Party or is it just, just, I mean, what's the deal with Heidi? I mean, I like Heidi but wait a minute. You, you don't talk anything down off those.

[43:43] Speaker 2: You know, hear no evil, speak no evil. So, yeah and I think unfortunately, I mean, they're, they're working on a recompetition. Um, I personally am not ... Well, we'll see. I, I don't know how that's gonna all play out. I think nothing's gonna happen. I think it'd be very hard to have something happen before the Assembly which is coming up April 11th. Um, but yeah. We'll see, we'll see. Hey, this is funny from Leo. He says, "Wait, you mean I have to go back to buying women steak and lobster?" Yeah, prostitution's not gonna be...

[44:10] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[44:12] Speaker 2: It's gonna, it's gonna be, it's gonna continue to be illegal. Um, um, okay. Well, and that'll kind of, that'll wrap it up for us a little bit unless, Chuck, anything else or you're good?

[44:22] Speaker 3: No, that's it. That's it.

[44:23] Speaker 2: Okay. Um, I think on Wednesday we're going to try to get Brian Juhn up then, maybe Robert Spencer, he, uh, to talking about Iran. He's, he's, um, traveling. Um, but anyway-

[44:30] Speaker 3: Yeah, we haven't talked to Robert Spencer for a while. That'd be great to talk to.

[44:33] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. I bet. Uh, yeah, I, he, I mean, he's always, this, this is his total area of expertise here, so.

[44:40] Speaker 3: His book, yeah, yeah.

[44:42] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. From, yeah.

[44:43] Speaker 3: He's gonna get his-

[44:43] Speaker 2: Thomas says, "Love Robert Spencer." Yep. Um, okay. Hey, well, thank you everybody on Zoom. Thank you to the guys at BBS. Thank you to Chuck, calling in from world headquarters. Um, and we will see everybody on Wednesday.

[44:54] Speaker 3: All right. Bye, everybody.