[00:01] Speaker 1: Are you ready for new dimensions and countless possibilities today and for the future? It's an exciting new time, and the answers are out there. So join Mary Jane Pop as she explores the unique and unusual for a better life on Pop Talk, in search for the truth. And here she is, Mary Jane Pop.

[00:25] Speaker 2: And welcome to Pop Talk, as we go in search of that truth, and there are a lot of truths and a lot of falsehoods out there, and we're gonna try and keep them all separated, if you know what I mean. So we're gonna give it a good shot. We wanna make sure that we give you information that will make your life a little bit better, or maybe even a whole lot better. Hang in there. It's Pop Talk.

[00:55] Speaker 3: Sometimes you need to be hurtin'. Sometimes you need to be healed. Sometimes it takes an earthquake. To shake loose the things that you feel.

[01:16] Speaker 2: Well, maybe it will take an earthquake on this one, because you can't live without it. What is it? That technology that's glued to your body. It's called the cell phone. Now, what if I told you cell phones are the main cause behind rising cancer rates? Now, most of the time, you know, we think of cancer with chemicals, or environment, other factors. But health researcher and author, Norbert Hoysner, says the biggest culprit may be hiding in plain sight, that all-knowing cell phone. So what is in that cell phone that could be a killer? Now, Norbert has investigated hidden health risks over 45 years, from caffeine addiction and unhealthy driving ... uh, I should say drinking water, to the 19 other often overlooked causes of poor sleep. But this one has him really concerned, 'cause I h- I have a feeling that he's gonna say it's not gonna get any better. So let's find out what we can do about it. Nice to have you with us, Norbert.

[02:24] Speaker 4: Thank you, my dear. Thank you for having me. Uh, it's very nice to be with you. Now, you said at the intro maybe we could, uh, improve the people's life a bit?

[02:31] Speaker 2: Yes.

[02:32] Speaker 4: You said? Yes?

[02:33] Speaker 2: Yes.

[02:33] Speaker 4: Well, it's not about improving their life, it's about saving their lives.

[02:36] Speaker 2: Really? Okay, so what-

[02:38] Speaker 4: Every third person at the moment dies of cancer. Every third person.

[02:42] Speaker 2: Oh.

[02:42] Speaker 4: And the number's getting worse. And, uh-

[02:44] Speaker 2: Well, i- it ...

[02:45] Speaker 4: Yes?

[02:46] Speaker 2: Do you attribute it all t- ... You can't attribute all of it to cell phones.

[02:50] Speaker 4: No, no. Uh, but for me, it's the main contributing factor.

[02:54] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[02:54] Speaker 4: Of course, um, we have issues. We are all too acidic, um, we have too much plastic in our food.

[03:00] Speaker 2: Mm.

[03:01] Speaker 4: The water people drink in this country, I would say 95 to 98% of the people drink bad water.

[03:09] Speaker 2: Really?

[03:10] Speaker 4: Even if they bought certain systems, they think they have great water. Of course we have, uh, too much chemicals in our food. Of course, these are all contributing factors.

[03:19] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[03:19] Speaker 4: But the jump in cancer, and the World Health Organization, according to Epoch Times, is predicting a further 77% increase in cancer rates.

[03:31] Speaker 2: Oh, my god.

[03:31] Speaker 4: Not, not me. And, uh, so, uh, every third person dies of cancer more, mo- most likely in two, five years, every second person. And you don't hear any news, what is the reason, or the main reason. And yet, for me, after 45 years of researching alternative medicine, and 20 years specifically about electromagnetic radiation, means cell phone, wifi, I'd say it's the number one reason. The number one reason.

[04:00] Speaker 2: Okay. Well, explain to me, what is electromagnetic radiation?

[04:05] Speaker 4: Okay. Now, if you have any electrical product, basically, when you plug it in the wall, it creates electromagnetic radiation, which in many cases is a very low frequency and not very dangerous, uh, and it's okay. But like you need gas to drive the car, you need electromagnetic radiation to use a cell phone. Without electromagnetic radiation, a cell phone would not work. The cell phones are based on electromagnetic radiation. Now, you have a natural electromagnetic radiation in your body. You have ... We have electricity in our body. Without electricity, our heart wouldn't work, our brain wouldn't work.

[04:47] Speaker 2: Uh-huh.

[04:47] Speaker 4: We have a natural electrical field in our body, and we can measure that. And that measurement says ... Uh, like you measure speed of a car in miles and your weight in pounds, you measure electromagnetic radiation in what is called microwatt per square meter. Now, I don't want to bore you with technology, but that's the measurement.

[05:05] Speaker 2: Okay.

[05:06] Speaker 4: And we have a natural field of 80, eight zero, microwatt per square meter. This is our healthy body we're living with since mankind on this planet. Okay, 80. 100 becomes, hmm, not so good. 120, no. Don't go more than 120. More than 120 is health, mm, compromised.

[05:27] Speaker 2: Okay.

[05:28] Speaker 4: If we make a cell phone call, we have either, easy, 1,000 or 2,000.

[05:33] Speaker 2: No way.

[05:34] Speaker 4: If-

[05:34] Speaker 2: Are you serious?

[05:34] Speaker 4: If we drive an electric car, we have 5, 6, 7,000. So everything above 120, according to German building biologists, harms your body.

[05:45] Speaker 2: Wow.

[05:45] Speaker 4: Now, what it does, you have a natural field, and this natural field is overwhelmed by these frequencies which penetrate your body and throw, throws you off. It, it's ... You're, you're not in balance anymore. Your body is not in harmony anymore.

[06:00] Speaker 2: Hmm.

[06:00] Speaker 4: And it accumulates. We have, uh, wifi signals with cell phone, with GPS-... um, with all wireless units we are having and the headphones, the earbuds, and so on, so forth. So, we are permanently harming our body, and we love it, 'cause it's entertaining, it's sexy, it's fluffy, it's rock and roll. We don't wanna miss a phone call. We'd rather miss an airplane, but not a phone call, and, uh, we want to be entertained. We have a fluffy, easy life.

[06:29] Speaker 5: Well, no, you have a cell ph-

[06:30] Speaker 4: And the easy life comes with a price.

[06:31] Speaker 5: But you have a cell phone too, don't you?

[06:33] Speaker 4: Yes, but, uh, (laughs) yes, you're right. Uh, and I was, um, two times in my life very sick, one time at the age, uh, 45 years ago-

[06:43] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

[06:44] Speaker 4: ... uh, in which I dug into alternative medicine as a profession, and, uh, 18 years ago, when I became very sick and my eldest-born grandson became very sick at the same time. And I found it was down to cell phone usage.

[06:59] Speaker 5: Hmm.

[06:59] Speaker 4: And I tried to look for something which works to protect you, and nothing was available. And a few things out there which were available eventually didn't work.

[07:08] Speaker 5: Okay.

[07:08] Speaker 4: So, uh, I, I wouldn't accept that situation, and, uh, and I sat down, and I studied, and I, uh, then created my own product just for myself to protect my family for the cell phones. And that's 18 years ago, and when I was still living, um, most likely in Germany most of the time.

[07:28] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

[07:28] Speaker 4: And they're still nowadays my headquarters. I'm German. I live in America now with my family. So, I created a product which you just attach to your cell phone, and it's guaranteed for five years, and it completely protects you. And those frequencies which harm you don't get to you anymore. We, so we nullify them. We harmonize them.

[07:48] Speaker 5: Oh.

[07:48] Speaker 4: So, you can use a cell phone, but it doesn't bother your health. Now, there are people out there who offer products, um, and they say they block electromagnetic radiation. When you read this, when you hear this, you know these people have no idea what they're talking about. As I said a bit earlier on, you need electromagnetic radiation-

[08:10] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[08:10] Speaker 4: ... to make a cell phone call. So, if they will successfully block it, you couldn't make a cell phone call.

[08:15] Speaker 5: Oh, gotcha. Okay. Now, you know, there's so much advertising going on that everybody's gotta have a G5.

[08:23] Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

[08:24] Speaker 5: First of all, what does that mean? And is it good or bad?

[08:28] Speaker 4: Okay. Now, going back in history, uh, it started with 1G, which we later called 1G 'cause we didn't know that there were more coming. 1G means the first generation of cell phones. Then 2G, the second generation of cell phone, 3G, the third generations of cell phone, and so on, and so on, and so on. And we head up to the year 2020, um, we had 4G only.

[08:56] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

[08:57] Speaker 4: Only 4G, 21, till 21, but 4G only. The whole thing started 1981 with 1G, ten years later, 2G, ten years later, 3G, ten years later, 4G in 2010, and fourth, 5G came in 2020. Now, it is the fifth generation. And every generation means more speed, more getti- gadgets, uh, more playful things, uh, faster, and, uh, more fancy-

[09:26] Speaker 5: Yeah.

[09:26] Speaker 4: ... more fluffy, and with every generation, more damage to the health. No question. Now, 5G was rolled out when they locked us down for the COVID.

[09:37] Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

[09:38] Speaker 4: They quickly built all the 5G towers. While we were locked in, there were hundreds and thousands of people out there building those towers, 'cause 5G is big business. The government has sold, for very high prices, the licenses to these various companies. They could buy the licenses for the 5G technology. And good old Bill Clinton has, um, released a law back then that you cannot sue any of these companies if these frequencies are damaging your health.

[10:11] Speaker 5: Really?

[10:11] Speaker 4: He released, he freed these people from any lawsuits.

[10:14] Speaker 5: Huh.

[10:15] Speaker 4: And no insurance company in the world will insure you against wifi which runs on these frequencies. Um, um, but 5G is not new. For us it seems to be new, but it has been around since the 1960s being used by the Canadian, American, and British army as a weapon to kill people.

[10:36] Speaker 5: No way. Really?

[10:38] Speaker 4: Yes.

[10:40] Speaker 5: (sighs)

[10:40] Speaker 4: Yes. And I'm not putting this up in the air.

[10:42] Speaker 5: So, how does this, okay, so how, how does it kill people?

[10:45] Speaker 4: Th- these frequencies just destroy your body. They just destroy your body.

[10:50] Speaker 5: Huh.

[10:51] Speaker 4: Just destroy your DNN, DNA. Uh, we know we have statistics. The men have less fertility, same for women. Uh, cancer, uh, is increasing drastically. Uh, the number one reason in Australia for children dying is brain cancer. Connect the dots. So, 5G has been around since the '60s as a weapon by the armies. You see, all these new inventions, uh, GPS and microwave oven, have all been invented for the army, for army purposes, and once they were developed, they were sold commercially in the market then for people to use it.

[11:28] Speaker 5: Hmm.

[11:29] Speaker 4: So, 5G is a weapon. Now, you don't need to believe me. If you go on my website, improveyourlife.us, improveyourlife.us, I have there a chapter, Books. And the chapter, Books, I recommend people... I don't sell these books, but I recommend people to read. There's a book from a whistleblower from the Canadian Army who died, uh, recently, uh, Mr. Flynn, and he was involved in the warfare using electromagnetic radiation for the army. And he wrote a book, The Five Dangers of 5G.And, uh, he is a whistleblower.

[12:09] Speaker 4: He said everything you want to know about 5G, and about the armies of the world, and about the World Health Organization prostituted themselves-

[12:18] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[12:18] Speaker 4: ... and the, uh, governments of this world, uh, what they did. And he says everything in the book. You just need to read the book. It's like a Bible which tells you everything you need to know.

[12:30] Speaker 2: Now, you-

[12:30] Speaker 4: So you don't need to believe, need to believe me necessarily.

[12:33] Speaker 2: Now, you got me a little nervous here, because if we went through one, two, three, four, five, uh, I got a feeling that maybe six i- may be coming soon. Uh, w- what, is that on the horizon?

[12:45] Speaker 4: Yes, it is.

[12:47] Speaker 2: Oh.

[12:47] Speaker 4: Now, 5G is basically the end of the world. I guess you're a bit s- a bit older than I am, uh, as I am as well.

[12:56] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[12:56] Speaker 4: And, uh, we had our life so far, and we did live the good life. And-

[13:01] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[13:01] Speaker 4: ... uh, we did a lot, and we experienced a lot. And all what we valued so dearly over our life so far, a lot of that will just go away. A lot of this will go away, and life will never be the same. And, uh, we're losing our life as we used to have it. With 5G, it's already the end. The light of the tunnel has, uh, been switched off, and they're working on 6G. And typically when they say they're working on it, it's just a question of time till it's being released.

[13:31] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[13:32] Speaker 4: And 5G, uh, 6G is on the horizon, and that's the absolute end of our society as we know it, as people can be completely controlled. 5G already controls you.

[13:43] Speaker 2: H- how?

[13:45] Speaker 4: How it controls you, okay. They put 5G out there 'cause they need to collect a lot of data and a lot of information. All the communication you give out, every email, um, every phone call can be monitored.

[14:02] Speaker 2: Yeah. That I believe. Yeah.

[14:03] Speaker 4: Okay. Uh, the monetary system will be changed to digital. By doing so, they need 5G to collect all the data. You cannot do this with commercial, old-fashioned technology. So, they control the communication, your communication. They control the money you spend, and where do you spend it, for what you spend it, and now digital money is on the horizon.

[14:29] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[14:29] Speaker 4: Uh, all the credit cards are monitored, the money you spent. Your IDs, um, uh, your, your, your driver's license, your passport and so on, they're all digital. So they can see where you're traveling and when, when you're traveling, and from where you're going and coming. And if they don't like what you do, they can block your, um, passport-

[14:54] Speaker 2: Huh.

[14:54] Speaker 4: ... very easily, in a second. Um, the electric cars, of course, not to save energy. That's nonsense. Um, but you can control everybody who drives electric car. So in the future, if you don't pay, as Ford already published, if you don't pay your car lease, at nighttime while you sleep, they take your car and automatically drive it to their pond, to their pound stations where they lock your car 'cause you didn't pay the bills.

[15:22] Speaker 2: Wow.

[15:22] Speaker 4: Um, when you step out the car at the gas station to grab a coffee and somebody wants to stop you, he can go into electric car circuitry and lock you out, and you cannot, even with your car, get back into your car.

[15:35] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[15:35] Speaker 4: So they control the transportation, they control the travel, they control the money you spend, and every time you're not a conformist and there's a problem, they just block it. They just block your bank account. You cannot spend any money.

[15:50] Speaker 2: Wow.

[15:50] Speaker 4: Or your credit cards, whatever. All your medical bills will be stored, um, from the day you were born, every vaccination you got, every, uh, pill and every doctor visit. Um, everything will be registered.

[16:05] Speaker 2: Hm.

[16:06] Speaker 4: And, uh, it's controllable.

[16:08] Speaker 2: W-

[16:08] Speaker 4: And to decide whether your life is worth living and the cost you're creating, uh, above 60, 70, uh, is unacceptable, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. All with a button, can be controlled, can be switched.

[16:22] Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting-

[16:23] Speaker 4: That is going on. And to do that, they needed 5G, 'cause 4G was too slow and couldn't digest so many data.

[16:30] Speaker 2: Wow. Uh, I, I remember when cellphones really became popular. Uh, the one thing is they said, "Don't hold it up to your head because it could cause tumors," and, and that kind of thing. But wow. I mean, this is way beyond that.

[16:46] Speaker 4: Well, and all these informations are all wrong. I am, uh, now releasing in the near days my series called The Mythbuster Series about cellphones. They give you these information, "Don't hold it against your ear." Right?

[17:01] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[17:02] Speaker 4: Well, which is a basic and nonsense information, because the telephone, mobile phone affects you as soon it comes seven feet into your body.

[17:12] Speaker 2: Oh, wow. Yeah. (laughs)

[17:12] Speaker 4: And your arms are not seven feet long.

[17:14] Speaker 2: No. (laughs) No.

[17:15] Speaker 4: So in my seminars, live seminars, I demonstrate this, that a cellphone affects your body and your health as soon it comes seven feet near you.

[17:26] Speaker 2: Jeez.

[17:26] Speaker 4: So, to not hold it to your head and to do it on speakerphone, these are all nonsense information.

[17:32] Speaker 2: Well, I mean-

[17:33] Speaker 4: Complete nonsense information.

[17:33] Speaker 2: ... let's, let's face it. I don't even have to have a cellphone. It, it, everybody around me has it, so it's like ... (laughs)

[17:39] Speaker 4: Well, and you're bombarded by WiFi around you.

[17:41] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[17:42] Speaker 4: See, um, your neighbor above you or below the apartment or next door, their WiFi penetrates your walls and your body and your health-

[17:52] Speaker 2: I already have-

[17:53] Speaker 4: So even if you switch off-

[17:53] Speaker 2: ... I have WiFi in my house.

[17:55] Speaker 4: Yeah. So the WiFi in your house, uh, will, will harm your health, whether you have your WiFi yourself or whether you have-

[18:02] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[18:02] Speaker 4: ... a cellphone. And now they have everywhere the smart meters to measure the, uh, and bill you for electricity you use.... with smart meters, which run on Wi-Fi.

[18:12] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[18:13] Speaker 4: And, uh, you can't refuse them. Uh, so even if you switch off your own Wi-Fi, you don't have one, if you don't have a cell phone, you are still bombarded 'cause you have every about 1,000 feet, uh, you have, um ... well, it's less than 1,000 ... yeah, it's 1,000 feet, you have 300 meters, yeah, 1,000 feet, you have transmission towers and transmitters.

[18:36] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[18:37] Speaker 4: So you can't escape. There's ... I get everyday letters from people and emails, "Where can I move to be safe?" And I tell them all the same sentence, "There is no more Robinson Crusoe Island. It's over."

[18:51] Speaker 2: Wow.

[18:51] Speaker 4: You can't escape. So you gotta deal with it.

[18:54] Speaker 2: (sighs)

[18:54] Speaker 4: So this is why I designed, 18 years ago, I developed technology in Germany where you can, guaranteed for five years, use your cell phone, use your Wi-Fi, use everything, take advantage, but handicap the technical problems created to your body, which has been scientifically tested by the BESA Institute in Austria.

[19:16] Speaker 2: Mm.

[19:16] Speaker 4: And all the certification and, uh, scientific testing is on my website, so nobody needs to believe me.

[19:22] Speaker 2: Got it. So why do you think the media ... generally speaking, they've never talked about these kinds of things.

[19:30] Speaker 4: It's money.

[19:32] Speaker 2: Mm.

[19:32] Speaker 4: Uh, how ... I compare it with the cigarette industry 50 years ago. They wouldn't then ... the cigarette industry, tobacco industry, knew what they were doing.

[19:41] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[19:41] Speaker 4: A friend of mine in Europe, um, worked with a cell phone company, the leading company at this time, and he told me they made tests with pigs. They put this phone on, attached it to the head of a pig, let the pigs run around for a while, then took it off, slaughtered the pigs to see how far the, um, radiation penetrated their brain.

[20:05] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[20:05] Speaker 4: They knew it.

[20:08] Speaker 2: Hmm.

[20:08] Speaker 4: They knew it. It's big business. It's just big business.

[20:12] Speaker 2: Hmm. (smacks lips) So-

[20:14] Speaker 4: The same, as you know, I wrote a book about caffeine. Caffeine and sugar are, for me, the widest spread drugs in the world.

[20:21] Speaker 2: Really?

[20:22] Speaker 4: And, uh, who tells you not to drink caffeine? Big business.

[20:26] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[20:26] Speaker 4: Caffeine harms your body. A study in Southern Australia, a university with 17,000 people, proved that drinking caffeine, uh, reduces your gray brain matter and increases a 50% chance increase in dementia. Have you heard that before?

[20:44] Speaker 2: No. That's-

[20:44] Speaker 4: No, 'cause it's not an interest in the caffeine business. The coffee business is huge. Caffeine business is huge.

[20:51] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[20:51] Speaker 4: You have in every energy drink, caffeine through the wazoo.

[20:54] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[20:54] Speaker 4: In most of the soda pops. In c- coffee, of course.

[20:58] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[20:58] Speaker 4: Black tea, green tea, white tea.

[20:59] Speaker 2: I ex- I stopped drinking, I stopped drinking anything with caffeine in it. What about chocolate? Uh, chocolate has some caffeine in it too.

[21:05] Speaker 4: Oh, no, but, uh, in my book I explain that chocolate is, uh, as, uh, similar bad as caffeine.

[21:12] Speaker 2: Really?

[21:13] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[21:14] Speaker 2: Oh boy.

[21:14] Speaker 4: And the book, at the end of my book, I wrote a book, Every Coffee Drinker's a Drug Addict: Are You Addicted to Caffeine and You May Not Know It, and I explain it and I write, at the end of the book, about, uh, chocolate, that it's not an alternative. But I give the people in my book an alternative, but that's a story for another day.

[21:31] Speaker 2: Okay. That sounds great. Okay, uh, let me have that website of yours again.

[21:36] Speaker 4: Improveyourlife.us.

[21:41] Speaker 2: Okay. And the books are all up there, is that correct?

[21:46] Speaker 4: That book I was talking about, about 5G?

[21:48] Speaker 2: Uh-huh.

[21:48] Speaker 4: There's a paragraph, books.

[21:50] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[21:50] Speaker 4: I recommend that book. You see the book cover there, you can buy it on Amazon. It's from this, um, whistleblower from Canadian Army who tells you everything about electromagnetic radiation, cell phone, 5G, and so on, gives you all the warning, he gives you hundreds of s- examples and references. So, um, and he's completely, uh, qualified, of course. Um, there's another guy out there, very important, called Barrie Trower, same guy from the British Army, warfare specialist. You can find him on YouTube with lots of interviews. He tells you exactly what's going on, and as you said, what the big press media does not publish. Don't forget, media lives from advertising.

[22:32] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.

[22:33] Speaker 4: Okay?

[22:34] Speaker 2: Yes. Uh, it just seems frightening. I mean, I, the privacy thing, we lost that quite a few (laughs) years ago. There's no privacy anymore. Uh, they know where you are, what you're doing. They know what your finances are. They know everything. They really do, uh, and a lot of that information, which really bothers me, is this ... it's being sold to other people that are not so ... maybe-

[22:59] Speaker 4: Yeah.

[22:59] Speaker 2: ... you know, have ethics (laughs) if you know what I mean.

[23:02] Speaker 4: Well, forget about ethics. It's not about ethics, it's about business.

[23:05] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[23:05] Speaker 4: You may have realized, if you go on the internet and you punch in, um, you wanna be interested to buy a couch today, uh, all of a sudden you get emails and offers and, uh-

[23:15] Speaker 2: Oh.

[23:15] Speaker 4: ... contacts about a couch, right?

[23:17] Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[23:18] Speaker 4: Yeah, because the information is distributed and they have access to it, so there's no privacy anymore. It's over. It's an illusion.

[23:26] Speaker 2: Got it. How do- uh, do you foresee 6G coming anytime soon?

[23:31] Speaker 4: Oh, yeah. Well, well soon is, is a variable expression. What is soon? Um, between those different Gs-

[23:37] Speaker 2: Uh, the next, you know, next year or two.

[23:39] Speaker 4: ... it was 10 years between every 4G, 5G, 3G. It was basically 10 years every time, but now the world is turning faster.

[23:46] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[23:46] Speaker 4: And I know that there are experiments have been done with 6G, uh, to test it, and, uh, it's just a question of time. I can't say whether it's a year or five years. Uh, it's coming.

[24:00] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[24:01] Speaker 4: Because these idiots don't have ethics.

[24:04] Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, it really bothers me too because they hype it as, you know, if you don't have ... right now it's 5G.

[24:11] Speaker 4: Sure.

[24:11] Speaker 2: But if you don't have 5G, you know, you're really behind the times.

[24:15] Speaker 4: Yeah, sure.

[24:15] Speaker 2: So they make you feel stupid if you don't get the newest thing.

[24:19] Speaker 4: Of course.That's how they make their money. You see how many cell phone generation every company brings out?

[24:25] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.

[24:25] Speaker 4: Uh, and the people have to have always the newest version. Uh, all these companies bring out a new cell phone, a new cell phone, a new cell phone, um, and give you some more gadgets and some more, uh, fun parts and, uh, entertaining parts, and people go for it.

[24:41] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[24:41] Speaker 4: We live short-term entertainment, and people are not aware of the health problems, and nobody tells them. Nobody explains them, and they're not aware of it.

[24:49] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[24:49] Speaker 4: And they're just wondering, and then they come to me as a ... I'm a life and health coach. People say, "Why do I have cancer? I did everything so well." I said, "No, you didn't." An accident, uh ... Health is not an accident, and illness is not an accident. You did things just wrong.

[25:05] Speaker 2: Hm.

[25:05] Speaker 4: Which ones? We have to find out. But there's a clear answer that cell phones kill your body. There's no question. I have on my website many interviews, talk shows where I talk about these things. I show graphics. I show pictures. I show images. I show statistics. Um, but people are ignorant, and they ... And a lot of them don't want to know.

[25:26] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[25:26] Speaker 4: They don't want to know. They don't want you to take the gadgets away.

[25:29] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[25:30] Speaker 4: They don't want to change their lifestyle. They want to stay in their comfort zone.

[25:33] Speaker 2: Well, Norbert, thank you so much for taking the time to be with us. Uh, w- you're gonna be back because there's (laughs) a whole bunch of other things we need to talk about. This one needed to be d- discussed, though, primary, because everybody's got a cell. I mean, you see a little toddler-

[25:47] Speaker 4: Well, go to my website. All I can say, go to my website. There's plenty to read. There's plenty to watch to support what I'm saying. I'm not pulling this out of thin air.

[25:54] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[25:54] Speaker 4: I developed my technologies over the last 18 years, um, and I did it very selfishly for myself and my family first.

[26:03] Speaker 2: Got it. Well, I'll tell you, you know, you see little toddlers in a stroller, and they've got a phone in their hand at two years old.

[26:11] Speaker 4: Well-

[26:11] Speaker 2: It's gon- it'll stay with them the rest of their lives, if they live long enough. (laughs)

[26:16] Speaker 4: Well, they don't live long enough. We know that. Uh, but, uh ... You see, and people say, "Well, the average age nowadays is, is gone up, higher age." Yeah, but w- is that life to be the last 10 years with Alzheimer's in, in a, in an asylum, in a elderly home?

[26:31] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[26:31] Speaker 4: That's not life.

[26:32] Speaker 2: No. No. Well, Her- Norbert, I will get back to you in the next couple weeks, and we'll set up another time and see if we can give as many warnings as possible. And then it's up to the people who are listening to, to, uh, investigate and improve their lives.

[26:46] Speaker 4: Sure, Mary.

[26:47] Speaker 2: Thank you.

[26:48] Speaker 4: Thanks for having me.

[26:48] Speaker 2: Thank you. And you take care of yourself too.

[26:51] Speaker 4: Well, I'm very well covered. Thank you.

[26:53] Speaker 2: Oh, good. (laughs) Okay, Norbert. Take care.

[26:56] Speaker 4: Bye-bye.

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[33:28] Speaker 3: Life's about now. It's all I can trust. Tomorrow's a daydream. Yesterday is dust. Life's about now. It's all I can-

[33:39] Speaker 2: Boy, that is the truth. Life is about now, and what you can do to make it the best life that you can. So, we all have problems, right? I mean, n-nobody's perfect, and we run into all kinds of things in our lives. But can you turn problems into possibilities? Well, Dr. Herbert Harris says you can. Now, Dr. H. is a retired attorney, I'm not gonna hold that against him, (laughs) uh, and he's touched thousands of lives seeking positive change. How? Well, with his The 12 Universal Laws of Success. It's the Super Edition. So, let's get moving to a better life. Dr. Harris, thank you so much for taking the time to be with us.

[34:26] Speaker 12: How are you today?

[34:27] Speaker 2: I'm fine. Hey, hanging in there. You know, it's, I call it survival of the fittest, (laughs) is what it is, Dr. Harris. Um, okay, so how did you come by these 12 universal laws?

[34:43] Speaker 12: Well, you know, I was teaching in college, and, uh, one day I, I woke up one morning, to give you the short story, I wanted to, I decided I wanted to teach. I was practicing law in New York. In my building was a college. In my meditation it said, "I'd love to teach kids in the college." I go out that morning, I ran into the president of the college, and I said, "I'd love to teach a course on success." She said, "What's it called?" And I said, "Achievement motivation." She said, "Beautiful.

[35:13] Speaker 12: Can you be in my office today at 4:00?"

[35:16] Speaker 2: Huh.

[35:16] Speaker 12: And, uh, that's how the book started. Uh, I started to teach that course. Many of the success books were really not n- it, it were not reader friendly. You know, you had to be a, really be a reader, and many of these are college students who had been out in life working, so I started developing a set of notes where I compiled many success principles and put 'em into a very simple format, and that was the beginning of the book. And it has evolved over 400 printings in nine languages, and just been a, a, a great blessing.

[35:51] Speaker 2: Do you feel... Yeah. When I, when I, you know, whether I watch TV or I'm on the internet or talking to people, especially young people, I feel like they're lacking hope. Am I correct in, in that assessment or do you think I'm exaggerating maybe?

[36:09] Speaker 12: Well, I think that, you know, I, in many instances, you know, life is really learned behavior.

[36:15] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[36:16] Speaker 12: And so, when you have, uh, some of the school systems are just not teaching with the same rigor that brings out, uh, you know, the best in kids.Um, sometimes the curriculum is not, you know, challenging enough. And then you have so much competing stuff, the telephone, the TV. And, you know, as young parents, I was in the restaurant and I was looking and they, they had five kids and they were at the table and they all had the phone out.

[36:47] Speaker 12: So I, I asked the dad, I said, "Well, well, who are they talking to?"

[36:50] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[36:50] Speaker 12: And he said, "They're texting each other."

[36:52] Speaker 2: Oh, gosh. (laughs)

[36:54] Speaker 12: A- and so once you stop communicating with each other and stop really, and I'll say living in the real world-

[37:02] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[37:02] Speaker 12: ... it's easy for kids to get off track. And as adults, we got a big task ahead of us 'cause at least we know where the road is.

[37:10] Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you know, and, and a lot of young people are, are just saying they've done some things with Gen Z-ers and, you know, the different blocks of num- of, uh, ages. And it seems like generally speaking, they don't feel like, "I'll never be able to buy a house. I'll never have a good job. I, I won't, I won't..." Everything is negative.

[37:30] Speaker 12: Yeah. Yeah.

[37:31] Speaker 2: So, you know, somehow we gotta turn that positive back on again.

[37:35] Speaker 12: Well, at- and that's, uh, I think really my job or part of my mission is to uplift the lives of everybody on the planet. And, you know, when we look at, for example, we talked about challenges and problems come into your life, so many of our young folks now just quit, you know?

[37:53] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[37:53] Speaker 12: When a problem comes, they just quit.

[37:56] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[37:56] Speaker 12: And then, you know, I think we as parents... I know when I, I went away to college and I had a rough patch there for a minute and I called my mom and I said that, "I'm moving back home." She said, "No, you're not. We rented your room."

[38:09] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[38:11] Speaker 12: (laughs)

[38:11] Speaker 2: Bless your heart.

[38:13] Speaker 12: And I look now and so many kids are moving back home and, you know, when you, when... I, I, I... Listen, when you don't have to hunt, it's very easy to forget how to hunt. When you just go to the refridge and everything is there for you-

[38:27] Speaker 2: Good point.

[38:27] Speaker 12: ... all challenges are help us, help us to grow.

[38:30] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[38:31] Speaker 12: You know, you develop your muscles by, by tension. You, you learn how to run faster by pushing yourself.

[38:37] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[38:38] Speaker 12: And so we as, as senior adults, uh, senior citizens, I think we need to get back and really try to reach out and help the school system and help the kids show that challenges are opportunities to grow. If you have no challenges, you're probably aren't doing anything important.

[38:55] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[38:55] Speaker 12: You won't grow. You can stay stuck.

[38:57] Speaker 2: You know, it, it's amazing because there's... Oh, about three blocks away from, from where I live, uh, is a small park. And I always go to that park on my walk every day. And across the street, I've gotten to know a family and... A husband and wife, and they've got some, some serious medical issues. They also have two kids that are still living with them. One is, I th- in mid-30s and the other one is in the 20s. Well... And that one has problems like bipolar and, and all kinds of things and, and drugs. Um, h- but yes, I mean, they moved ba- Would you... I know I wouldn't, but would you have ever thought in your 30s to say, "Well, Mom and Dad, I'm coming back home and I'm staying here." You know?

[39:43] Speaker 2: (laughs) It's like, "No."

[39:45] Speaker 12: No. No. That wasn't even a... That wasn't an option, but it was not something we wanted to do. I always wanted to have my own house, my own apartment.

[39:53] Speaker 2: Yes.

[39:53] Speaker 12: I wanted to be on my own, call my own shots. Well, well, you know, Mary, when I was a kid and a young man, when you came into my mom's house, my dad's house, you had to live by their rules.

[40:04] Speaker 2: Uh-huh.

[40:06] Speaker 12: And as an adult person, you wanna have your own rules. I think they're blurring the line now because you're letting adult kids come back home and then still live under their own rules instead of the rules of the parent. We moved out 'cause we wanted our own stuff.

[40:22] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[40:22] Speaker 12: You know?

[40:23] Speaker 2: Oh, absol- well, it's so funny too, because this family, um, I, I talk to the wife periodically, and say... she said, "You know what? We're really thin-" And, and she was pretty serious about it. She says, "We're really thinking about moving, uh, quite far away." Uh, 'cause she wants to have a little land where she can have a pony and a donkey. I mean, she has a dream. Yeah, she has dreams too and she's only in her 50s.

[40:48] Speaker 2: I mean-

[40:49] Speaker 12: Yeah.

[40:49] Speaker 2: ... they, they should be able to have it. And she said, "But I... And we wanna move, but we don't wanna give the kids our address." That's how bad it's getting.

[40:57] Speaker 12: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[40:58] Speaker 2: Isn't that amazing?

[41:01] Speaker 12: Well, you know, we've sort of let it happen as parents because we've been very understanding. And, you know, uh, I, I have, I have a couple of sons and my oldest son, he's totally independent. He's still old school.

[41:17] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[41:18] Speaker 12: He's... My oldest son is, like, 60. Okay? (laughs)

[41:20] Speaker 2: Okay.

[41:21] Speaker 12: So he grew up... I, I raised him from 12 to 16 as a, as a single parent. And I had to put the rules down and he lived like that. He has his own show. My middle son now, he is different, you know. He, uh, uh... He always wants to come home and I, I tell him, you know... Once, he came and left the kids and disappeared for a week.

[41:45] Speaker 2: Oh, wow.

[41:45] Speaker 12: And from that time on, whenever he has kids, when he have... Whenever he comes and he's leaving the house, they're like, "Take everything with you." (laughs)

[41:53] Speaker 2: Oh, get... Yeah. (laughs)

[41:55] Speaker 12: "Don't, don't, don't leave anything-"

[41:55] Speaker 2: Including the kids, huh? (laughs)

[41:58] Speaker 12: Especially the kids.

[41:59] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[41:59] Speaker 12: I mean, so I think we let them do it, and, and, and it may be that we're doing our kids a disservice because, at some point, we're gonna make our transition and if they're not prepared to handle stuff, you know... A- as an attorney-

[42:16] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[42:16] Speaker 12: ... I saw so many times where the kids were not prepared and they would inherit property and had no idea what the value was, had no i- no vision for it. And they often literally gave it away for a few thousand dollars.

[42:29] Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, I-

[42:31] Speaker 12: And so we- Yeah.

[42:32] Speaker 2: I saw a study that... And I...You know, you look at it and you go, "I couldn't believe it." But a study that basically said that, um, the younger generation, uh, just figures, "Well, I don't have to go to work because my parents will leave me money and I'll be okay."

[42:50] Speaker 12: Yeah.

[42:50] Speaker 2: I thought, "Really?" You know? (laughs) I just-

[42:53] Speaker 12: Yeah. Yeah.

[42:53] Speaker 2: ... I couldn't even believe that they would even say anything like that.

[42:57] Speaker 12: Yeah.

[42:57] Speaker 2: I mean, I used to tell my parents and even my husband's parents, "Go. Uh, you earned all that, your, your own money, et cetera. Go, enjoy, take vacations." (laughs)

[43:08] Speaker 12: Yeah. Yeah.

[43:08] Speaker 2: "Do whatever you want with it."

[43:09] Speaker 12: Yeah.

[43:10] Speaker 2: Uh, "God bless you."

[43:11] Speaker 12: Yeah.

[43:11] Speaker 2: "You raised us the best you could. We're on our own now," you know? And-

[43:14] Speaker 12: Yeah.

[43:15] Speaker 2: Uh, but a lot of s- don't feel that way. Now, don't get me wrong. When my husband went to Vietnam, uh, for, uh, like 9 or 10 months, uh, I stayed home with my mom and dad. But I was also in school at Indiana University. I was working on my PhD. So-

[43:31] Speaker 12: Yeah.

[43:31] Speaker 2: But a very short time. And man, when he got back, the first thing we wanted to do, "We're going. We're on our own." You know?

[43:38] Speaker 12: Yeah. Yeah.

[43:38] Speaker 2: Uh, it's okay for parents to help their kids. I'm not saying that. But if they think they, that you have to do it, and they don't wanna move on with their own lives, that's a problem.

[43:50] Speaker 12: Yeah. And we're really doing them a disservice.

[43:53] Speaker 2: Sure.

[43:54] Speaker 12: You know, the, the birds, the, the birds, the eagles push their little birds out the nest, because they know that if you don't learn how to fly, if you don't learn how to fend for yourself, that there's gonna come a time that they, their parents won't be there. And so, I think collectively, parents need to look at that again and say, "Look, I, you got to get outta here. You got to get a job. You got to do this. I cannot keep this, doing this for you, 'cause I'm not helping you."

[44:23] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[44:23] Speaker 12: "I'm not teaching you how to fly."

[44:24] Speaker 2: Yeah. No, absolutely. Now, on your 12... We don't have time to go through all 12. Uh, it's, it's in your book. Uh-

[44:32] Speaker 12: Yes.

[44:32] Speaker 2: So they can, you know, get your book and get the rest of it. But, uh, just a few of them, I want you to explain to me. Okay? Um, you said the universal law of command. What does that mean?

[44:45] Speaker 12: Well, you know, a, a lot of our, our, our laws are based on Scripture. It's not a religious book, but, uh, you know, the, the Bible says that a man shall have whatsoever he saith. And the law of command says what you say is what you get. When you talk, you're literally sending a vibration, an idea, a thought to your subconscious mind. And your subconscious mind is like fertile soil. Whatever idea you plant in it, it grows. Whether it's the truth, uh, uh, a lie, it grows. And so, what we say is so critical and so important, especially what we say to ourselves. When we say, "I am great. I am good. I am a good student. I like people. I'm easy to get along with." When we speak to ourselves, we are literally programming our thoughts and our emotions.

[45:40] Speaker 12: So that law of command says, "Be careful what you say, because what you say is a energy and it can manifest into your life." Even Job in the Bible said, "The things I feared have come upon me." And so, when you talk about negative things, "Oh, I think I'm gonna get sick. Every time it gets cold, I catch cold," that you literally program yourself to start attracting that into your life. So be careful what you say because what you say creates the foundation for what you experience.

[46:10] Speaker 2: Comes back to bite you, doesn't it? (laughs) It just can.

[46:12] Speaker 12: Yes. It certainly will.

[46:15] Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, um, another one that I was kinda curious about, uh, was number eight, the value... Uh, let's see, the universal law of value and mutual exchange.

[46:26] Speaker 12: Well, you know, that goes back to our kids now again, that the law of value is like, whatever thing is... The, the Scripture says that don't cast your pearls before swine. And that simply means the things that are valuable to you, don't give them away to people who don't, who don't respect them. And so, the idea of the law of value says your time, your energy, your substance, and your association are all valuable. And so don't waste them. Don't give them away without something in return.

[47:03] Speaker 12: We used to talk about, um, I used to say, um, "Give, uh, I wanna spend money."

[47:10] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[47:10] Speaker 12: That's in the, in the law of value. Say, "I wanna spend money." But when you spend it, it's gone. Think about, "I wanna circulate money." So now what I put my money into is something that's gonna bring back something to me. Maybe I, I put my money into, into helping the poor and helping the hungry. Well, it comes back to me, 'cause I see joy in, in them, you know, being fed and being happy. I, I put my money into my education, because now I know that I can get a better job. I, I, I, I teach my kids how to value that m- how to value their money.

[47:44] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[47:44] Speaker 12: And then they... That way they won't move back home.

[47:46] Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. (laughs)

[47:48] Speaker 12: So... (laughs)

[47:49] Speaker 2: Yeah. It's amazing.

[47:50] Speaker 12: So the law of value just says really, uh, be aware of the valuable talents that you have in your thinking, your emotions, your habits and your relationships, and so when you exchange these things, always exchange them for good things.

[48:06] Speaker 2: Gotcha.

[48:06] Speaker 12: Always exchange them for valued things, valuable things. And that is based on feeling good about yourself, that you're worthy of good things, you're worthy of positive things.

[48:18] Speaker 2: Now, one that kinda caught my attention, and that was number one, the universal law of thought. Now, how, how do you mean that?

[48:27] Speaker 12: Well, the law of thought, there's a, a, a Scripture that says, "A man, a mind shall have whatsoever it thinks in its heart." Anytime we have a thought... You know, in college, uh, I, I was actually a physics major.... and I really got into certain relativity, the theory of relativity.

[48:47] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[48:47] Speaker 12: And one of the things that Einstein says, that he created a formula, E, which is energy or vibration, equals M, which is manifestation, times the speed of light squared. So, it, it's a conceptual formula, but it says any energy that you project, so a thought is energy. You know, they can measure it. They can connect you up to these machines, and when you have thoughts, you can see energy literally, energy, uh, increasing in your mind. When you have a thought, you've created a vibration. That thought now is a seed ready to be planted and to manifest, but then that thought is modified by how you feel about it. So, then when you say, "I, I," for example, "I wanna be healthy. I am healthy." Great, that's the thought.

[49:35] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[49:36] Speaker 12: And then the feeling is, "Wow, I always catch cold. I'm tired all the time. I don't like, uh, uh, vegetables. I, I, I sleep late 'cause I, I, I, I, I don't like to get up when it's cold in the morning." And so, that feeling is contrary to the thought, but the Law of Thought says, "When you have a thought, 'I am worthy.'" And you have a feeling, "Yes, I feel worthy." Then you create a vibration that attracts into your life things that are congruent with that thought; people, experiences, emotions. When you smile, people will smile back at you.

[50:13] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[50:13] Speaker 12: So, so the Law of Thought is really the foundation of everything.

[50:17] Speaker 2: Now, the one which is your last universal law, um, (laughs) this one we need desperately in our world today, the Law of Truth.

[50:30] Speaker 12: Absolutely. And there are a number of, uh, you know, like, you might say perspectives on that. Number one is that the first truth is that the universe, life operates in accordance to certain principles. You know, from the Ten Commandments, there's certain principles in this. If you learn these principles and practice these principles, you will have a certain kinda life. And so, that, that when you say know the truth and the truth will set you free, so one of the truths is that, that life operates by principle. That, uh, and these principles govern all things. Another truth is do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

[51:11] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[51:12] Speaker 12: You know, if, if we did that, we'd never have war. (laughs)

[51:16] Speaker 2: That's right. That's true.

[51:18] Speaker 12: Yeah. And so, they, that, this idea of truth is that there are principles by which you live, that if you i- uh, align yourself with those truths, then you can literally attract into your life the good things. The, the master teacher, Jesus, was the example. You know, I often saw among these t-shirts, "What, what would Jesus do?" Well, that ain't a bad idea.

[51:44] Speaker 2: Yeah. (laughs)

[51:46] Speaker 12: You know? But, (laughs) you know, but he said that, you know, that God, uh, the First Commandment is, you know, that there's a God, and the second is to do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

[51:56] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[51:56] Speaker 12: So-

[51:56] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[51:57] Speaker 12: ... these are the type of principles. There's like the Principle of Gratitude, like universal principle that whatever you're grateful for, uh, you attract into your life. You can look at a situation especially, you know, we were talking about, uh, po- turning problems into possibilities.

[52:14] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[52:15] Speaker 12: One person can look at a problem and say, "Oh, woe is me. This is terrible. You know, I'm suffering. I don't have what I want." Another person can look at the pro- the same situation and say, "Oh, wow, this is an opportunity for me to learn. So don't make the, the task easier. Help me get better at it."

[52:34] Speaker 2: There you go.

[52:35] Speaker 12: And so when we look at these principles now, uh, that truth that law, life operates by principle, that means that you can learn, practice, and master the tools that can make you successful, and that's powerful. Learn the truth and the truth will make you free.

[52:52] Speaker 2: So how does one begin with these universal laws? Does it have to be 1 through 12, or just kinda, you can jump around?

[53:00] Speaker 12: Well, you know, we wrote the book so that you could jump around.

[53:03] Speaker 2: Oh, okay.

[53:04] Speaker 12: Uh, that, yeah, that was one of the reasons because in teaching from the book, you know, eh, even then, this is back in the '80s, college people would come. You have, we rarely had a full class.

[53:17] Speaker 2: Yeah. (laughs)

[53:18] Speaker 12: You know? (laughs) So, you know, people were always missing stuff, and so I wanted to have a book where it's just like, "Man, I'm unfocused. Right now, it seems like I, I get started on stuff, and I, I do, I, I get distracted."

[53:32] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[53:32] Speaker 12: Where you can go to, to the chapter on the Law of Focus, uh, or the, the Law of Vision, you know, when your life is not going really good and you said, "I don't know where I am going. I'm like a GPS with no destination."

[53:46] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[53:47] Speaker 12: "I'm just sitting here." Then the Law of Vision says, "Hey, there, there are certain things you can do. Uh, use your imagination to create a, uh, a vision of what you would like your life to be. If you can create a vision of what you would like your life to be, then the laws say you can make goals that will lead you to that vision."

[54:08] Speaker 2: Gotcha.

[54:08] Speaker 12: So-

[54:08] Speaker 2: You know, the, the-

[54:09] Speaker 12: ... I like to start there. Uh, vision is a powerful thing because it gives you always a place to go-

[54:16] Speaker 2: Oh.

[54:16] Speaker 12: ... next in your life.

[54:17] Speaker 2: 100%. However-

[54:20] Speaker 12: Mm-hmm.

[54:20] Speaker 2: ... uh, there were several books that came out a few years back that, uh, you know, if you visualize, if you think about it, it will come to you. You know, your, somebody's gonna be knocking at your door. And I'm going, "No, nobody's gonna knock at your door. Yes, you need a vision. Yes, you can visualize, but then get your butt out and go find it." You know? (laughs) You gotta-

[54:41] Speaker 12: That's it. Yes.

[54:42] Speaker 2: Don't you think? I mean-

[54:43] Speaker 12: And that, and that's the key. That's the key. You know, the, the scripture that says, in the book, the Habakkuk, one of the shortest books in the Bible-... it says, "Write the vision and make it plain, that he may run that readeth it." So the operation is run. (laughs) In other words, don't write the vision and sit down and wait. It says, "Write the vision, make it plain, that he may run that readeth it."

[55:07] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[55:07] Speaker 12: That's to take action. Uh, if you, when you run and you take action, the vision will surely come to pass. It will not, it will not fail, it will not, uh, uh, uh, fail to disappear.

[55:21] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[55:21] Speaker 12: Fail to appear. And so energy and activity is absolutely necessary. You must have four things. Yo- one, you have to see the vision, get a picture of your promised land, what you wanna loo- make it to look like. You gotta say the vision, that law of command, say it over and over. Muhammad Ali started out and he said, "I am the greatest," and nobody believed him, and everybody laughed at him. Howard Cosell used to call him the Louisville Lip.

[55:50] Speaker 2: Yeah. (laughs)

[55:50] Speaker 12: But over time, the world has accepted him as the greatest, you know?

[55:54] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

[55:55] Speaker 12: Uh, so you gotta say it.

[55:55] Speaker 2: But he went out and did it, you know?

[55:57] Speaker 12: Yeah.

[55:57] Speaker 2: He showed them that he was the greatest.

[55:59] Speaker 12: Yes. Yes.

[55:59] Speaker 2: And that's it. I mean-

[56:00] Speaker 12: True.

[56:01] Speaker 2: ... again, uh, yes, we all have visions, yes, we all have hopes and dreams, but no one's gonna knock at your door. Nobody's-

[56:09] Speaker 12: Nope.

[56:09] Speaker 2: ... gonna come in and say, "Oh, you're so great, I want you." No.

[56:13] Speaker 12: No.

[56:13] Speaker 2: You're gonna go out and have to ... like A- Ali did. He went out and proved that he was the greatest.

[56:18] Speaker 12: That's it. That's it. So that third step in manifestation is to take action.

[56:23] Speaker 2: There you go.

[56:24] Speaker 12: Y- a vision and, and, and affirmations without action does not get desired results.

[56:31] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[56:31] Speaker 12: And then the, the fourth key is to hang in there, to persist, to be like Thomas Edison, you know? Like, "I'm gonna find this filament no matter what."

[56:40] Speaker 2: Yeah. (laughs) Well, they always say the people who are major success, they will tell you there were a thousand times when it didn't work, but they kept at it, and kept at it, and kept at it till it did, right?

[56:55] Speaker 12: Persistence is the key. Persistence is the bridge between thought and accomplishment. Think about it.

[57:02] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[57:02] Speaker 12: The caterpillar must persist to become a butterfly.

[57:06] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[57:07] Speaker 12: Can you imagine a caterpillar says, "Oh man, this, this, this"-

[57:10] Speaker 2: Too hard.

[57:10] Speaker 12: "... butterfly thing is painful."

[57:12] Speaker 2: Yeah. (laughs)

[57:13] Speaker 12: (laughs) "And I'm hungry." (laughs)

[57:15] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[57:15] Speaker 12: "I don't wanna stay in this cocoon."

[57:17] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[57:18] Speaker 12: "I, I, I, I wanna go get something to eat."

[57:20] Speaker 2: Uh-huh.

[57:20] Speaker 12: And the butterfly would never manifest. And so we have to have that vision, we have to work at it, we have to be persistent, we have to know that every obstacle is for a purpose. There are always gonna be obstacles in life, but if you look at each opportunity, it's for a purpose.

[57:38] Speaker 2: Yeah, and you-

[57:39] Speaker 12: And it's an opportunity for you to grow. The difference-

[57:43] Speaker 2: And you learn, you learn from the mistakes.

[57:44] Speaker 12: And you learn from it, yes.

[57:44] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

[57:46] Speaker 12: Yes.

[57:46] Speaker 2: Now, do you have a website?

[57:48] Speaker 12: Yes, herbertharris.com. www.herbertharris.com.

[57:53] Speaker 2: Okay.

[57:54] Speaker 12: And we have a lot of good stuff there, some of our classes, some of our writings, some of our videos, and you can order the 12 Universal Laws of Success, and you can set a, uh, a, a success consultation. I always put that on my website to book a call, and people can call for complimentary consultation and I'll l- uh, sit with them and listen to them and see what it is that, that I can help them with, what, maybe what advice I can give them or what recommand- recommendations. So, uh, www.herbertharris.com, and be sure to book a, uh, success consultation. Uh, you know, Mary, when people book the consultation, I send them two things. I send them a free 12 Universal Laws of Success audio, and that's a 54-minute seminar that goes through the, um, the 12 laws. It gives people something to work at.

[58:52] Speaker 12: Uh, they get that free whenever they, they call, they fill out, go to the website and say, "I want a consultation." And I send them a free 12 Affirmation poster so they can start saying positive things to themselves about themselves.

[59:05] Speaker 2: Well, I wanna thank you, Dr. Harris, for being with me. You gotta come back again 'cause you, you offer hope and that's what we all need. Thank you.

[59:13] Speaker 12: I like it, thank you. You keep up your great work. I love your, your spirit, and you just bring light to so many places in the world, and I appreciate your invitation, and thank you.

[59:26] Speaker 2: You bet. Take good care now, Dr. Harris. In the meantime, folks, live simply, laugh often, love deeply, and above all else, dare to dream. How do you make a dream come true if you didn't have the dream to begin with? Talk to you next time on Pop Talk.