Speaker Identification

Speaker 1 - Sandy - Co-host. She is identified by name repeatedly by Jim and is the speaker who introduces the program themes, reads the prophecy-style message, presents the biblical examples of Ruth and Naomi, Jacob and Esau, Joseph and his brothers, and closes the program with practical reflections on sadness, hope, unity, and love.

Speaker 2 - Jim - Co-host. Sandy refers to him by name, and he identifies Sandy as his wife. He delivers the majority of the extended commentary on Jesus, prayer, the Holy Trinity, baptism, biblical stories, angels, spiritual manifestation, prophecy, and personal experiences.

Speaker 3 - Reverend Jeff - Prayer voice. Sandy thanks “Reverend Jeff” immediately after the opening prayer, which is the basis for this identification.

Speaker 4 - Opening Announcer / Sponsor Voice - The first sponsorship and personal-reading information appears before the hosts formally welcome listeners. The transcript does not make it certain whether this is a separate prerecorded voice or one of the hosts. In a few rapid exchanges where the text does not reliably separate Sandy from Jim, a combined Sandy-and-Jim exchange label is used rather than guessing.

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Speaker 4 - Opening Announcer / Sponsor Voice:
[Opening station identification unclear.] Our show is sponsored by the Living Light Center, a Church of Faith and Healing. For anyone interested, Jim and I do personal readings. And if you'd like to have a personal reading, you can call 304-567-3354 or email sandysangeltalk@aol.com. S-A-N-D-Y-S-A-N-G-E-L-T-A-L-K at AOL.com.

Speaker 1 - Sandy:
Welcome everyone to Angel Talk. Today's show is going to be on sadness, hope, separation, unity, and love.

Speaker 2 - Jim:
Well, aren't there a lot of opposites there?

Speaker 1 - Sandy:
There are. Too often, we get busy with the things of the day, our work, family, and what needs to be done.

Speaker 2 - Jim:
Yeah, we go to church on Sunday, and in our hearts, we love God. Sometimes it feels like two steps forward and one step back. Time is not on our side when it comes to losing spiritual ground.

Speaker 1 - Sandy:
So join us as we cover these areas and more as given by the Holy Spirit. Angel Talk is sponsored by the Living Light Center, a Church of Faith and Healing.

Speaker 2 - Jim:
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 - Sandy:
I'd like to start us out with a prayer.

Speaker 3 - Reverend Jeff:
Through the divine Holy Trinity, the Father, hallowed be thy name, and the Messiah, Yeshua, our God and our Savior, and Through the blessed Holy Spirit, [unclear phrase]. Three as one, as they come down through, may they fill us with the Holy Spirit and bring forth those things which propel us on our path and keep out and away from us those things that would hinder or try to hinder. Lord, we need you now more than ever. We are so close, and yet, there's never been so much opposition before. So it is that we ask, and we ask in humbleness and love, and we acknowledge your death on the cross and your resurrection three days later. Glory be to God in the highest, for I am that I am.

Amen and amen.

Speaker 1 - Sandy:
Thank you, Reverend Jeff.

Speaker 2 - Jim:
Well, I'd like to just add, too, that the two amens, the first amen, closes off the lower rounds. Second amen opens up the gates of heaven.

Speaker 1 - Sandy:
Thank you. Yeah. Well, I'd like to share a little prophecy reading with you. If you look around, you notice how many people feel very stressed, irritated, and acting out selfishness. We are in a time of great change, and in this time, we are to recognize those areas of our life that is not acting in a loving, caring nature. These negative areas have caused us to pull away from God, to separate ourselves, and in doing this separation, it causes us to feel sad and lonely.

Even anxiousness can set in. We must realize that as time continues, we are being given many opportunities to see how we can make our lives better. But if we only indulge in the negative things and feel like a victim to it, we miss the opportunity to change and be a better person. We are meant to grow and become more Godlike in our life, to love, to feel that unconditional love within us, but it takes work. There are many influences that are creating great earth changes, heightened solar activity, and intense magnetic influences. All of these things can cause our emotions to swing out of control.

This can lead to much anger and greater warlike activity. Soon, we will be seeing more meteor fireball activity around the planet. We will be seeing fires in the sky and major planetary plate movements. Our planet is already wobbling, but soon it will be far worse. February of 2027 will usher in massive earth changes. This disturbance affects our energetic force fields around the earth and our emotional body.

We must be aware of aligning ourselves with God through prayer and meditation, trying to stabilize any out-of-order feelings that try to control us in a negative way. Our body is a holy temple for our soul, and if we acknowledge that God will come to us in our times of need if we ask, He will be there for you. Allow Him to shine His light and share His love with you, to cleanse, and bless you, and lift the heaviness from you. You are a child of God. He will hear you. Know your faith and belief in Him can lift you above the drama within yourself.

Trust Him, and know that God knows what you need. Blessings to you. [Closing phrase unclear.]

Speaker 2 - Jim (with brief interjections from Sandy):
It's really strange, Sandy, because I want to read this one passage just real quick. And it was, He lived this man called Jesus as one of the smallest, most insignificant of the Roman provinces. Although His name is known today throughout the whole of the world, and His lifetime, two thousand years ago, He was virtually unknown, hard to believe. And yet, and yet, and yet, you know, at the age of 29 going into 30, it began to change. And He hesitated a little, as we all would, at taking up the cross, the cross of light. And unless the Bible be counted as history, is the central figure of the New Testament, you and the New Testament are strangely silent about most of the years of his life.

It was once asked, you know, were there other books or other writings that aren't, that we don't know or have? And the answer came back. There are so many volumes of books that, you know, that explain things about the life of Christ. And yet, and yet, they have been stolen, lost, changed, whatever done to them. And yet, if they were on the earth, they would fill every library that exists. And so, when I heard, so, when Jesus was approached at the age of, I believe, 29, and asked to perform His first miracle, He was attending a wedding as a guest.

So it says, and they had run out of wine. In those days, when you put on a celebration like that, you didn't run out of wine. And they didn't anticipate I think how many people would show up. God did. And God made sure that everybody came. They could come.

I mean, I think that God probably whispered in the ear of everybody for 50 miles around. And so, they showed up at the wedding feast and for long, about halfway through, they started running out of the wine. And Mary came to Jesus and she said, I need you to do something for me. And he said, mother what? And he said, and she said, I need you to take and make this wine. And he said, no, my time has not yet come.

And she said, you heard me. I said, I want you to do this. You know, I can't. It's not my time yet. And you know, aren't we all that like that a little bit? I mean, in that answer, because for the first time when we do something, it's a little hard.

I mean, I'll never forget the first time I was on a radio show or the first time I did a TV show. I mean, you know, and those are insignificant compared to what she was asking of them. But, you know, they were twin souls. And so, she knew it was his time. And when she came, she was not going to take no for an answer. And she looked at one of the people who were helping out.

She said, fill this flask and with water and bring it back. And he did brought it back. And Jesus just kind of looked at her. And okay, he said, take and set up another empty flask and pour it into that flask. And so, here's Jesus. And he's standing over, not doing anything really extraordinary.

I mean, it wasn't calling down lightning bolts, but you could feel if I guarantee everyone that was in that area where he was at that time, could feel the presence of God. And he said, now pour it into the other flask. And so, the guy started pouring it and the water was a purple color. It had turned to wine. Now, if you look at the science of it, I think it's just an extra carbon atom. And it's a wine.

We'll take and change it into wine. But how many of us today come up with an extra atom? You know, I mean, it's still phenomenally amazing. But I think that Jesus knew not just to ask for, you know, the wine from the water, but he knew the science and what it took to make it. And I mean, his mind was connected with the whole. And we can have that too.

God is offering that right now. I'm seeing people healed. I walked up to people because we were told to, you know, this is what you got to do. And we want you to do it with everybody. And I mean, you know how hard it is to walk up to somebody you don't know and start talking about God. It's been pretty active.

I'd say 90% of the people we talked to are open to it. Oh, yeah. And so, as the water was poured, it was evident it was wine. And instantly, Mary ordered it, put into people's glasses and spread out. And my guess is more than one flask was done. But when the people drank of it, they said, what is this?

This wine is the best I've ever had. And most people save their good wine or use their good wine when they start out. Because when people start getting a little tipsy, they can't tell that the other is not as good. And instead, it was done differently. And sometimes we don't think about it. What would it matter if it was the first at the beginning or at the end?

It matters because it adds another interesting perspective about the miracle. And think not that it wasn't a miracle. It was every bit of miracle. But it also, science comes into it. And I get people all the time to say, yeah, well, that's theology, theology, theology. And it's like, you don't get that they are one and the same.

Science could not exist without theology. That's just the way it is. Theology comes first. But they want to believe that, well, we've got a down pat, really. But have you taken into consideration that the speed of light is not the same when fourth dimension is it isn't third? You think?

I mean, 186,000 feet per second, I think it is. So what is it in fourth dimension? A lot faster. And go to fifth, faster, faster even. Sixth, he's a faster. And so sometimes people or beings on those levels, they're a thousand years ahead of us.

That's why when you go into spirit and you want to put something together that you are making and you want it to materialize into where the place where you are, that it's in front of you. So as you're building it, it's moving faster than third dimension is, if third dimension is where you're at. And so you're building it and finally you complete it. Well, it's down the road. But then it has to come through and it will materialize in the third dimension. And oftentimes we'll go, man, I really did a good job with that.

But you know what? If it weren't for God, you never got that help because it has to be built in spirit first. Everything has to be built in spirit first. Your love, you know, your destiny, your income, what you do for a living. I mean, all those things have to be part of God. And we're kind of lucky if it's only fourth dimension because third, fifth dimension is really fast.

I mean, trying to keep up could be difficult. But it was a phenomenon and it was considered to be, you know, part of the Holy Spirit. They believed that it had to be. And so that went out across the airwaves quick. Everybody talked about it. And you just didn't want to do it.

It's my time is not calm. Sometimes Mom knows best on that. Sometimes I'm not saying every mom out there in the world is good at it or even tries. But sometimes mothers have to come and say to their sons or daughters, you know, I need you to do this and expect that they will do it. I mean, it's not a matter of will you. It's a matter of you will.

And if the mother is a beautiful loving, you know, kind to mother and wants the best for you, well, very few of you would say no. You know, but if she came and said, I need you to turn that water over there in the wine. You know, how many would say, oh, no problem. You know, I can slip out the door to the liquor store. So it's a time frame we are in. It is very close, you know, to the time, times, and half a time.

And people are still discussing. What does that mean? You know, it was in the book of Daniel and Daniel was given to first. And people have been discussing it for years. And I would tell people, even pastors, hey, this Sunday, if you're going to be talking about it, you know, tell people with the time, times, and half a time are, all I said, I don't want to go there. He said, because I don't think I understand it.

And I thought, how could you a man of learning and a man of God, you know, not know what the time times and half are. Let's just take a look. Time is one year. Times is two years and half time is half a year. So you're talking about three and a half years. Once you start into the seven year cycle, three and a half years of the middle of it being really, really bad.

I mean, on the earth, it has to be purged. Whatever is not of God will be taken. It just will be. So, you know, we've been preaching on this for years, other shows too, and TV, and even in special classes. And we'd be glad to do a class on any option that you want that's in the Bible, or call us or email us with a question about how you'd like something, you know, answered. We'd be more than happy to, you know, and honestly, you should be seeking right now, because we're going into a beginning, but very close to the future.

Next year, as a matter of fact, we're going to have its start, and it will be three and a half years. And the only reason it won't be four is because God is going to cut it short. And so the things we thought we should probably talk about, and so we went to the divine Holy Trinity and said, what is the thing most people on the planet right now need to hear? And they weren't slow about it. They said, they need to hear that God is God, and that when you are in unity with God, there are no impossibilities, and that see the face of your Creator, and pray in a way that is not begging, you don't have to. God already knows what you're there for, but praise His name for answering the prayer, and give it a little time for it to materialize into the material plane.

But how often do we do that? Or how often do we pray, because we want something? And you may say, well, but I pray for somebody who's sick. I hear you, but it doesn't take much. You just say the person is dying, and God knows. I mean, it's nothing is a secret to God.

And so, you know, when it comes to prayer, we have been taught that it was too easy. You know, just pray. I mean, to Jesus Christ, the Father and the Son, and actually, I can't tell you that in our churches, I've been in our services, or sermons, or whatever it may be, and the person doing the prayer, in the name of the Father and the Son. Oh, wait, wait, is there another one? And they never say it. I mean, and I can't tell you the number a lot.

And oh, I get so sad, which is one of the things we're going to talk about, but I get so sad, because most of these people are deacons, or ministers, or, you know, have an important part to play. And they're not even adding in the Holy Spirit. Without the Holy Spirit, you would not be able to have anything materially, because it comes through Spirit, and through Christ, our Lord, and God, and our Savior. And then the codes are given to the Holy Spirit, who can move like a mighty rushing wind through the material realm. And it starts to become built. It starts to become a material thing.

And when it's done that way, guess what? It'd be a long time before it ever fall down. Now, we're going to be having some cataclysms happen, and things that are here never very near future. And what does it matter if it falls down? Living it now, and if it does, well, you'll always have a place to live. God will always take care of me.

That's the promise. And Jesus knew it too. So he gave that wine out to the people, and they were amazed. This is the best wine, and nobody saves the best for the last except Jesus. And he realized at that point that, okay, maybe I was wrong. Maybe it was my time.

And so he wasn't going to get away with that. So he was sent out into the desert from that point to be tempted. And trust me, you know, it's one thing to be tempted. It's another thing to have demons, you know, under Satan, along with Satan, doing the one that is creating the chaos and the temptations, and he'll work you down. I mean, work you down to where you're just, you can barely think straight, and he'll show you a beautiful palace. Look, this can be yours.

There's a lot of people want a palace, or look at this automobile. It's a hundred thousand dollar automobile. And don't get me wrong about, you know, about certain cars. I know one that's a hundred thousand dollars in this made of wood. So, you know, I mean, and that tells you right there, really? From wood?

Well, would you believe anything from him after that? So what he could put a rocket into this space, you know? Good. It was timing anyway. And do we know that other countries, some of the bigger ones, haven't been tampered with also, and they've been given technology to shoot that missile down. It's going to be utter chaos, and you have to be sure of who you serve.

Do you serve God, or do you serve Satan? It's called Mammon. Look it up in the dictionary. M-A-M-M-O-N. And actually, any word that contains two M's, and I'd say that because well, there's like younger Jimmy did, you know, but two M's are not a positive thing. But Mammon, and or do you serve God?

Now, you can even start out serving God, and all of a sudden can shift the other way. One foot over the line, why? We're close. And I can't tell you that we haven't done this before. I mean, and we just weren't told, but we have maybe tried this before and failed at it. Well, God's loving God and patient.

And we are all subject to doom for our everlasting life. We are subject to doom. And that's the way it's said. And I have made a point of that a lot. Doom? Really?

So, you know, this has to pass away before the other can come. And isn't that way in your life? If you need something new, let go of the old one. You know, you could say, well, I could probably put it in the dumpster and get rid of it. Because when you make a space, and then you pray, and you expect, then comes replacement. But there has to be a space for it.

And that's what anything in your life. I was talking with a gentleman the other day, and I told him, I said, you know, when we were kids, I took one path and you took another. And you said to me that you were going to, I'm going to be all about money. I'm a mega-fortune. And you did. You went out and you did it.

And I'm very proud of you for that. You know, and you've helped me out of times. But you know me, I give away a lot. You know, I mean, if people are in need. And, you know, which are you on? Which side are you on?

Are you trying to make money and more money and more money? And you know, it doesn't take much. A couple of on top of each other, yeah, more money, more money, more money. And then it clicks in and it becomes something you become addicted to. You'll never have enough. I need more money.

I don't have enough. What has this happened? Well, God's got your back. You don't worry about it. But the key here is, you know, and I told him to say, thing, I said, let me ask you something. I said, do you feel like you are addicted and that you have a need that just can't be filled?

He said, yeah, I do. And I said, right. And so does everybody else. When they get to a certain level, they'll never have enough. And, you know, how much do you need if you have a lot, use it for the people of God so that they don't have to suffer without paying their rent or suffer without, you know, a job or, you know, or food for a family. You know, and we don't really think that is really out there.

I mean, you know, they get food somewhere probably from their families. Not everybody has a family close by and not everybody even has a family that is, you know, beyond them, like a mother and a father, they may have passed. But, you know, we were never meant for that. Even when it says in the Ten Commandments, I mean, honor thy father, thy mother, that thou daze, that thy days on the earth may be fulfilled. Well, I hear you. But Ten Commandments are much more than what you would ever think they are.

You know, there are codes hidden in the words because some people say, I mean, don't we really know already not to steal? I mean, yes, we should. But there's more in it. There's words. When it was in the leafbed or in the symbols of the Hebrew nation, you know, and Moses carried them down on the tablets, the first set would have freed, probably freed the world from Satan and his minions. But, you know, the first set of tablets were broken.

Well, you know, God didn't really like the idea that Moses did that, but, nevertheless, he did. So, up the mountain you went again. When he comes back down, there they are with the golden calf and sacrificing people on the altar. And it was like, he just couldn't take it. He broke the tablets, you know, and I mean, but they carry the law. And the law is inside you.

And when you read them on a tablet, how they're written in Hebrew from right to left, they open up centers of the body that allow for healing, they allow for growth, they allow for how you feel about yourself. I mean, God will give you whatever you need to be close to him, but he'll also take away from you anything that gets him between you and him. I don't care what it is. So, you know, I'm going to turn it over to Sandy here for the next second, but I just want you to realize how important it is for you to give your whole life to the divine Holy Trinity. And that allows the Holy Spirit to move like a mighty rushing wind through you. And if you haven't been baptized, we're planning on a baptism.

And if you're anywhere close, you know, to the DC area or out that way, you know, give us a call and or email and we can give you some information on where and when. We'll probably do five people at a time and we'll probably do it in a swimming pool that's at a hotel and probably one that has minerals in it so that, you know, it kills any bacteria or anything like that could be in the water. So we have done these before and it makes such a difference to people. I mean, it really does because we can say and I get this a lot. Now, oh, yeah, my mom and dad had me baptized when I was like two. It's like, no, that's not a baptism that is a christening and a dedication.

So they are dedicating your life to God. That's what that is. And that's what that means. Do not let anyone tell you that is a baptism. The baptism has to be your choice. And it's very simple.

When you get in the water, you'll be asked, you know, are you willing to turn your life over to God? Yes, has to be the answer. And you want to get rid of anything that hinders that causes you to stay or, you know, in any way that is not of God. Yes. I'm going to put you under the water for five to the count of five. It's not five seconds or more.

It's one, two, three, four, five. And then up they come. And the thing is, not even a hair on the top of the head can be above the water. And that is in the Old Testament, in the Kabbalah and was interpreted by the Zohar. But it gives you the exact need. And we're in the water age down with Aquarius.

And it's more important now than ever. And the Holy Spirit will rush through you, trust me. And who cleans out anything that needs to be. And you'll feel like you've never felt before. It's time. If you haven't done it, stop.

Whatever you're doing, stop. And if you have to write it on your calendar, that's fine. But write it down and email us as soon as you can. And like I said, we're going to these in five. And if you can get to this area, which is in West Virginia, [West Virginia location unclear], then we would be more than happy to include you. You don't have to join the church if you don't want to.

I mean, but, you know, we know this is a fact. Sandy and I have baptized each other at least what, five times. And I mean, because we used to go to the beach once and once a year, for a few days. And on the way, it was this little teeny hotel. What in the greatest hotel in the world? You know what?

Nobody was ever in the pool. So we were able to go in the pool and we would go back to the one ourselves. And it's so different. Five, one, two, three, four, five, and then it out, but not a hair above the water. If there is, then the darkness hits with it in you will rush to that hair. And so then when you leave, it'll still be there and it'll go back into the body, but necessary.

You must be born of water and the spirit. And so, you know, I don't say these words to condemn. I say these words because they change your life. And now is the time we are so close to where we won't have the chance. And, you know, and so take what I say. And if you have to chew on it, that's fine.

But if you need more information, you're more than welcome to ask. I mean, I love talking. My wife knows I love talking. Oh, yes. Yeah. And she says to me sometimes, you know, you think maybe you could like rest for a little while.

I'd like to watch a TV show going on. You know, and it's like, you're the only person I have to talk to. I mean, so, you know, when we're in the house, so it's like, I need to be able to, you know, pass things by you that are coming into my head. Trust me, they come in a lot these days. And she say, I don't know. Are you sure about that?

I said, well, that's what I got. And then so she'll go into, you know, meditation and connect with the divine Holy Trinity and she'll ask. And always, it comes back. I don't remember it. It's ever not come back that we that's what we told them.

Speaker 1 - Sandy:
That's true. So don't forget that, honey. Oh, remember? Okay. Okay. So do you know how out of like sadness or hardship that is opposite can eventually happen and play out?

So we're going to share some biblical stories of this to you, Jim and I are. Let's start off with Ruth and Naomi. Well, it says in Ruth 1, 2, that Naomi and her two sons die, leaving her widowed. And Ruth, Naomi's Moabite daughter-in-law, she chooses to stay with her. And she says to her, where you go, I will go. And where you lodge, I will lodge in Ruth 1, 16.

Okay. The other daughter-in-law, you know, chose to leave. And let me just say this too, that Ruth didn't have to stay. Even Naomi said, you owe me nothing. And she didn't have to stay. And as young as she was, she could have, because her husband was old, would have, you know, she could have easily found someone, but she did it out of love for her mother-in-law.

Exactly. And you know, this loyalty and hardship becomes a foundation for a new family. And it's leading to Ruth's inclusion and the lineage of Jesus. You know, maybe, Jim, you want to expand on

Speaker 2 - Jim:
this. Well, yes, because Naomi ended up, I mean, I'm sorry, Ruth ended up moving with Naomi, back to where her family had been. And believe it or not, here comes Boaz, who was the one who owned the fields that she gleaned the wheat from as a, you know, as a work. And he's there. Interesting, huh? I mean, nothing is by chance.

And he looks at her and he tells, he says, I knew when you move, he goes, I came, you know, and I came for a reason. You know, usually men do. And so he tells her, and she marries them. Now, this man is wealthy. There's no doubt about it, but that's not why she married him. It was his persistence.

How many guys have persistence nowadays? I'm hearing from girls or women that I'd be counseling with that, oh my golly, men have no persistence, you know? If they think you're going to turn them down, they run, you know. And I try to tell the people on counseling, the women, that, you know, it's not you. It is you, but it's not you. In other words, you know, men have to change and become part of their femininity, too.

And they don't want to. That's the last thing in the world they want to. But they have to. And one way it can be done is to become intimate with a female who is Christ-centered or God-centered. And when that happens, it pulls all the baggage, maybe not all, but pulls a lot of it out of the man. Because otherwise he just hang on to it.

He has every crevice in his body. He knows where to bury it. You know, he buries you like a dog with a bone. And so you have Ruth and Boaz married, and they have a child. And that child's name was Obed. And Obed was or had a child named Jesse.

And from Jesse came the Christ in an incarnation as David. And David was the one who as a young boy could kill a lion with a rock. And so he was anointed because Saul was fast losing the crown of the Jews. And so David was anointed that he would someday be the king over them. And that didn't go ever well as people spread news and rumors as they sometimes do. Goodness, gracious.

There's so much rumors go around. And they could change just like everything else, you know. But at the time it gets through the 15th person. Oh, it's not even the same names, you know, that is talking about. And yet how much do we do that gospel? It has to stop.

You know, if you want to gossip, gossip about Christ in his life. And I honestly have done what the angels have told me or the Holy Trinity. And one of them was, walk up to somebody in the supermarket and ask them, do you pray? And whatever the answer, well, it is the law of God that you do every day. And I had one guy in the wheelchair and I said, well, I said, do you pray? And he says, I try.

He said, but some days I just don't feel good. And I forget. And I said, well, it is the law of God, but God understands, but try to do it and see what happens. Okay, I will. And so I got [unclear item] off the shelf for him and he went away. He was in the wheelchair.

And so Sandy and I walked around the store. But at the time we got around the store at the front of the store where the cashiers were, I looked up and I called Sandy over and we looked down the aisle and you could see them and he had gotten out of that wheelchair and he was like dancing a jig, you know, and all of the cashiers were looking at them because they all knew him. And they knew he couldn't walk. All of a sudden he could. And, you know, I was just amazed. It had nothing to do with me.

Evidently, he set a prayer right after that to God and ask for whatever it was he needed. And he promised that he would do it every day. And God gave him it immediately. Now, it doesn't always happen immediately. You know, you may have to prove that you are real, that you will do what God asked you to do, you know, more than once. You know, there has been someone through the Holy Trinity that has come through and said, you know, Jim, the one thing that we like most about you is that there is nothing that we have ever asked you to do that you didn't do.

And some of it was almost impossible. But when you come back, we'd say, you know, you had a 7% chance of, you know, surviving that. So you didn't tell me that before I left. And 7% though, I came to realize that 7 is God's number. In other words, God not been with me. I wouldn't have survived.

I was okay with that. You know, I mean, I always have been. I mean, I go out of a limb sometimes, but it's not always popular. And even Sandy said, well, what if the person doesn't want you to talk to him about God or what if there are another religion? I said, I can talk to a Muslim and I only use one thing as a quote. And that is, well, don't you believe that there's only one God?

Well, yeah, we do. So if nothing else, do we have in common, except that we both believe there's only one God, then that should be all it takes. Now, from this point on though, you are not my responsibility. I mean, you know, sometimes I may see them again, but you can see in their eyes that something changed, you know, because they fully expected that you were going to say something to them when you walked up that was just derogatory. Now, why? Well, good, what to do?

And so I say, only one God. And if you believe there's only one God, then what's that one God saying? And whatever it is, it's what we should be doing, not just reading or listening, doing. You know, doing has to be a part of it. It does not move. It does not create unless there is activity of movement in it.

And that's just the way it is. You can build in your mind a mansion, but you know what? If you don't put spirit into it and let it move, it will never appear. That's just the way it works. Their creation only occurs in movement. So guess what?

You are going to be required, and you have been required, but God has allowed, you know, that we didn't always get the right proper information. And he's saying it now, though, move. And he said it to the Israelites, as they were standing along the seashore after they had been let go from slavery from Egypt. And here come the chariots and the soldiers, and they prayed to God, what should we do? What should we do? The answer came back.

Why are you calling on me? That's the unusual thing that you never expected here from God, huh? Why are you calling on me? Because God had given them in that, in that leaving of Egypt and taking away their slavery, he gave them a higher state of consciousness that they never, they no longer needed to, you know, hope and pray that it would happen. They could, they could command it to happen and it would happen. And so God said, well, walk.

And they thought, walk, you walk first, you know, then you walk first, because the only thing that was there was sand and the river in the Red Sea. And they said, well, we don't understand, we mean, you know, walk, walk, take a step. And as they did, Moses took his staff and put it into the ground and the water started parting and they crossed on dry ground. What a beautiful, beautiful way, you know, they got had to give them and show them the power they had. You're no longer like third dimension. I mean, you know, you have now the ability to utilize, you know, what you have and command it to happen and it will you have anything you need.

I mean, use it. If you don't use it, it will never manifest. And so first one took a step into the water and then the next one, first thing you know, they're all crossing one dry ground. Now, I have never actually come to a conclusion on this myself, that whether the ground was actually dry or did they walk through some enough water to be baptized. I don't know. I can't answer that for you.

But I do know this that whatever you're baptized in has to contain the equivalent of 5760 medium sized hens eggs. I thought, oh my goodness gracious, I have to pop up with an egg and measure it. I thought, no, I'm going to use it that a hens egg medium size is probably [measurement unclear]. And so the water should equal that much when you average it out in water. And my guess would be unless the church is really, you know, really listening to God when they build their, their, you know, their baptismal that it could be just a couple of hens eggs short, you know, and we're going to be ashamed. It wouldn't be right.

And the baptism would not take place. It has to be at least that much. And it started in the year 2000. And we are walking into the Aquarian age. And it is the time of the water bearer. And what a great idea that now the, the baptisms are even a hundred times more powerful.

And if we get everybody baptized, we're on our way. So I want to share that with you. If you're interested, you can get to this far West Virginia. We're up close to 81. And if you can get here, you know, we can find a place in the middle even and, and hold it or if you can get five people together. Well, you know, we could maybe make the trip.

But either way, I won't fly on a plane that it's sure as well. Just so you know. But other than that, you know, a baptism, he must be baptized by the spirit and of water. And Nicodemus said, are you talking about we have to go back into our mother's womb? And Jesus said Nicodemus, you're one of the Pharisees. I mean, you're one of the teachers of the masses.

You're one of the individuals that they can come to and receive the real purposes of God's love. And from that point on, Nicodemus took everything to heart. And he started really studying and looking at everything. And it was Nicodemus that gave his own tomb where the stone was rolled back for the very old Jesus. I mean, he couldn't stop his own valid people from doing what they did. But he loved Jesus and Jesus loved him.

But none of them were at the crucifixion. Can you imagine how lonely that was? I mean, goodness gracious. I mean, every part of him had to separate into three parts. And I mean experience, death, rejection, all the sins of the world, all the sadness of the world, each part, soul, you know, and spirit and the material body separately. They were unconnected from each other and unconnected from the Spirit of God.

And he had to experience that death on the cross that way. Oh my goodness gracious, I can't imagine going through a day like that. But so I added that part for you. And you're going to ask any pastor and I hope he knows if not, have him give me a call. But Sandy, you want to go?

Speaker 1 - Sandy:
Yeah. Okay. So now we're going to cover on the separation and the unity. And a good example is Jacob and Esau, you know, the reconciliation that after the separation in Genesis 33, it tells of Jacob after years of conflict with his brother Esau, meeting him with humility and offering gifts and Esau forgives him. And they part as brothers again showing how forgiveness can heal deep divisions. And you know, Jacob never expected that.

He showed up when the meeting was called, you know, and wanted Jacob to show up where Esau was going to be. But Esau had an army of his own and Jacob figured that there was going to be a battle. And it wasn't because they believed in God and forgiveness. Absolutely. And another one in the same thing is this is a biblical story of Joseph and his brothers where forgiveness and unity in Genesis 45 and 46, it recounts Joseph's forgiveness of his brothers for selling him into slavery, where he restores the family unity saying, as for you, you intended evil against me, but God intended it for good. Genesis 50, 20.

So this story models how God can turn pain into purpose. And maybe you want to elaborate more on that one.

Speaker 2 - Jim (with brief interjections from Sandy):
Well, and not just pain. I mean, as you were telling this story, I mean, it says that what you thought was just pain. And you must have did something wrong, but God healed. And all of a sudden it became apparent that, you know, the glory of God is shown sometimes through the healing. And that's how it ended up with this story. Although with Jacob, he's the one who wrestled with the angel.

When we come into this material realm and we're born, we have to take on, because it was agreed to. I don't remember sounding anything, but it was agreed to that we would take on what's called a counterfeit spirit. And the first time I ever encountered that, I thought, is that like Cliff Wilson with that little guy on his shoulder with the tail and the pitch for you know, trying to get him to do something he shouldn't do? Absolutely. That's exactly what it's like. And we take it on as part of the makeup of the material body.

And the rulers of this system said, yeah, you can come in, but you're going to have to take this with you to keep an eye on you. But it doesn't more than to keep an eye on you. It tries everything it can do to get you to do it wrong. You think you might be heading in the right direction and all of a sudden you turn around and you're nowhere where you thought you would be. And it does that throughout your life with Jacob. He happened to camp out.

Now, is this coincidence camp out in an location where the angelics of the highest spheres would come down to the earth and back up, you know, into the upper realms. And they don't seldom do that. They don't hardly ever do it, where you can see them doing it. I have seen angels and exactly, you know, to me what they look like, but they may look different to other people. But, you know, to me, they look just like the ones that you see in the store. I mean, with the garb and the ribbon and the whole nine yards.

But most of them are blondes or redheads for some reason. Yeah, I know because you're a redhead. But, you know, and that's how I see them. But maybe that's because of the way I think they should look. But so, you know, don't fault yourself if you see them differently. But you want to see an angel, you know, let your wife go to bed earlier before you.

And, you know, when you go in, you open the door and look. And if you can look out of the corner of your eye, you may see this influx of energy. I mean, it's moving, it's swirling. And you may even see what looks like hands. And as the hands go up and down, it's casting light into a person that's laying on the bed. And healing.

I mean, and I mean, first time I think I ever saw an angel, that way was Sandy. And I thought, hey, wait a minute. Maybe I should have went to bed first, you know. But, I mean, they've always, always loved Sandy. And they've always had a specialness with her. And, you know, she needs healing.

They're there. I'll just do this. And, you know, how often do we ask? Before we go to bed, do we ask, you know, if you're not feeling well, or you got pain, or you asked, you know, could an angel of healing, which the main one is Archangel Raphael. I told Sandy when she told me his name that I thought that was an injured turtle. But, but, you know, I have seen so many.

And I mean, they're pretty tall when they come in, but they size themselves, you know. I mean, but I've also seen angels that were on the very basement story, but you don't see a portion of them. You go up to the next floor, there's another portion. Then you go up to the third floor, and there's the rest of them. I mean, they're that tall. And I've actually seen them as tall as 40 feet when I went to church with my grandmother once.

We got out of the car. We both saw at the same time. And she told me, she goes, are you seeing what I'm saying? I said, I think I'm seeing what you're seeing, you know. And she said, well, don't take that to mean that the minister, you think, is not so pure. I said, you know, that's why that angel is here.

That angel is here for protection for all of us. Okay. Okay. And I called her granny. Okay, granny. You know, and I went in, but I sat in the pew by myself, and that preacher couldn't help coming down off that pulpit and walk right up to the bench I was sitting on and look right at me like he was preaching to me.

And I think he was because he was going through a lot of turmoil. And I didn't want him to be lose his job or whatever, but I knew there was something not quite right. And come to find out that his entire family were wiccans, or his entire family were witches, and warlocks, and except for him. And my guess was, he didn't know how to tie into spirit enough to keep that back. And so they were just doing, you know, one magic show after another against him to take away any power he might have for Christ, which was a shame, huh? It is.

Yeah. So Jacob, his sons became the 12 tribes of Israel, and they were jealous of one of the sons who was Joseph. And Joseph was one of the offspring of Jacob and Rachel. And it's been said that Rachel was the love of his life. Now, love, it says, and it's, it's chosen out as material love. Now, you know, I think material love is a vorten.

And so is spiritual love, but this particular relationship was material love. And he worked seven years for her father so that he could marry her. And when he got to the up to the pulpit and they did the service, guess what? He pulled the veil back and it was her sister, her older sister. Now, would you have just walked out said, you know what? I don't think so, you know, or started real chaos.

I don't know, but Jacob didn't. He said, well, I'll tell you this. I'll work another, I'll marry this girl, but I'll work another seven years, no tricks this time. And I want Rachel. And he did, but he only works six years for the second. And he thought, you know what, I don't, it's, I just should be working those seven years.

And he had accumulated camels and donkeys and all kinds of things that, you know, prosperity was, but how did he know which was his and which was his father-in-law's? So he took his staff and shoved it down into the, the river bed or on the side of the river bed. And from that point on, anything that was of Jacob's lineage, you know, cows and cattle and that kind of stuff, all had spots on it. And in that, in that interesting spot, well, that, that was starting to tell you, and that one's mine. Well, you know, let's, let's follow spots. You know, I mean, you know, they don't have spots.

So that would certainly be an answer and a way to show. And when he left, he left with Rachel after six years and he took both wives and he had concubines and as they did those days, because they were trying to build a army in a civilization that had been plundered so many times and they needed to have children born. And so, you know, it was okay that he had six or seven women, you know, someday we may have to, I suppose, may have to be part of, you know, raising a civilization, just kidding. But, you know, Rachel was the love of his life, but she passed early. And Joseph was very intuitive. And one day at breakfast, he gave a premonition.

He said, I had a dream. What does this mean? And he said what the dream was. And everybody looked at him, including his father, and said, so what you're saying is that I will someday have to bow to you, not the other way around. Well, his father had a big ego. He just did.

And, you know, all those sons who were to become the 12 tribes of Israel. And, I mean, and like I said, a big ego. So, you know, while they were out hunting one day, the brothers thought, you know, why don't we just sell Joseph off, you know, and make the money and we'll take home a skin that's full of blood and swear that's something got him. That's what they did. And the man who bought him turned him over to, as a slave to Potiphar. And he had, he was, the Pharaoh loved him and trusted him.

And he had a huge estate, but not one of his slaves could read a map until Joseph came along. And Joseph said, well, I can read that map of how you want this all laid out. Really? And so Joseph started laying everything out and the place became absolutely beautiful. Until one day, Potiphar's wife said, you know what? I don't like that, Joseph.

He's kind of cute. You know? And so she pursued him aggressively. And nobody turned down Potiphar's wife. I mean, he was like third in command under the Pharaoh. And he said, you know, Joseph said, I can't, I can't do that.

You're very. And I would be breaking the law and under pain of death. And she said, pain of death. I can show you pain of death if you want that. And she ripped her blouse, clean open, and tore his. And then went running out of the house screaming and yelling, he's trying to rape me, he's trying to rape me.

And so the council was gathered. And Joseph was asked, did you try to rape Potiphar's wife? And he said, absolutely not. He said, under pain of death, I say these words that I never ever touched her. And she told her story, just the opposite. And Potiphar said, what do I do, Joseph?

He said, I'm a tendency to believe you, but if I don't punish you, and everybody's going to look at her and go, she's whore. And she, I don't even get close to her. He said, and you know, you want to have your family at least respect you. And so Joseph didn't know what to do. And he said, are you saying that my wife's lying? He said, absolutely not.

There is something to be learned there that he was asked, are you saying my wife is a liar? And Joseph said, no, I'm not saying that. And you know, she was absolutely lying, but he would not accuse her of lying because it's, the evidence is there. Everybody knew her preferences and the things she did. And you know, and Joseph was not going to be the one that, you know, called her a liar. And maybe there's times in our lives where we should do the same when we get somebody that wants to just say that bad things about us.

And we don't have to call them a liar. Our lives and the way we live and the way we pray and how we believe in God should be enough. And it was enough for Potiphar. Although he did have to, you know, find Joseph guilty, but he put him in a prison with the overseer and said, you take care of this man. I don't want not one hair of his head hurt. He means a lot to me.

And I believe him, but I still had to put him in prison until the one day that shows up the baker. And I always want to say the baker, the candlestick maker, you know, but the baker and the wine holder were put in prison because a necklace, a very valuable necklace, had been stolen. And you just didn't do that in those days. And the wine maker, you have to trust because if somebody wants to poison the king and poison was a biggie back then, you know, and poison the wine, well, you could kill the Pharaoh. So the Pharaoh had to trust you. And he didn't know what to do.

So he put him in prison as he did the baker because you have to trust the baker too. So he put the baker in there until he could make up his mind which one was guilty. And Potiphar said to the Pharaoh, he said, I know, man, he used to work for me and he's in prison now, but I have people who watch over and the Pharaoh said, you want me to take advice from somebody who's in prison? He said, you if you can hear him out, you make your mind. If you don't want to or you don't believe it, you don't have to. But I would you know me well enough to know, I would not raise my mind or my lips even if it weren't for the fact that I know this man.

So Pharaoh called him forward. I went to this man in my court such as it was taken there. Now, he said, first of all, he said, I've had a dream. And Joseph said, I know. And the Pharaoh said, well, what do you mean you know? I haven't even told you yet.

He said, you don't need to tell me. Now, he's magicians, the Pharaohs, you know, people who could do readings and all that kind of stuff. It was all fake. None of them could do it. And he even gave them what the dream was. And instead, Joseph said, why don't you let me tell you what the dream was?

And that just, I mean, Pharaoh was just dumbfounded. Okay, go ahead. And Joseph laid it out. Every piece of that dream. And he said, well, so what's the answer? He said, well, I've already given the answer to, you know, to your, your baker and to your wine holder.

He said, and Pharaoh said, what is that? He said, I told the wine steward that he would be restored to his seat. And he would continue to take care of the Pharaoh and supply him with his drink. And he was innocent. And what did you tell the second one? Well, he insisted I wasn't going to tell him anything, but he insisted.

So finally I said, well, in three days, you got to find your head on a pole. You know, I mean, and the birds are going to be eating from the top of your head. In other words, your brains. Well, you know, I get that very well. And he's tried to attack Joseph. But again, you know, Oliver had people watching over Joseph because he knew how special he was.

And the king said, the Pharaoh, you know, I want you in my household and I want you to be second only to me. [unclear phrase] Wow, how far did he come? You know, as one of the youngest boys of what, 13 and 14. And then out in the middle of nowhere, they dig a big hole, and shove them in it until a caravan comes by and they sell them. And he ends up being sold into slavery. And he goes through all of this.

I mean, the beatings and all of the stuff until, you know, he comes time to tell the Pharaoh what that, the meaning of the dream was. And he told him, and he's raised to a position just under the Pharaoh. He only had to answer only to the Pharaoh. And you'll find that throughout the history of the Hebrews, that there was always somebody that was second in command, you know, whether it be a Pharaoh, or whether it be a king or a prince or whatever it may be, that will be under, just under, second and second, just like the son of God is, you know, just second to father. And not that there's anything lost. He has every ability that God the Father has.

And so does the Holy Spirit. They make a triune or trinity. And so Joseph was raised to that position. And Potiphar walked over to him and he said, you know what, isn't it funny how you came to me and you were just a slave in rags? He said, and then I had to throw you in prison. So I tried to make sure you were taken care of.

He said, and today you are above me in rank. You rank above me, you know, nobody ranks. Even close to you. You're the top, except for the Pharaoh. And isn't it interesting? What do you have to go through?

But he always said, I won't do this because on pain of death, it's against my religion. My God, he believed in his God. And I think it made a difference to Potiphar and to everyone who saw what happened from the time he got there. And you know, little do we know that there was Esau and those Jacob and Jacob had the 12 tribes of Israel. His children. And one of his children, eventually became, if you believe in reincarnation, became Saul.

And that was Benjamin, the second son of Rachel and Jacob. But yes, the peace was established between the two brothers. But it wasn't really Jacob's fault. I mean, yeah, he took over as the heir apparent. But when babies were born at that time and they were twins, whatever hand come out of their first, they tie a red string around it. Tie a red ribbon, you know.

I mean, and they tie a ribbon around it. And so it didn't matter who came out first, the one that stuck his hand out there first. And it was, it was Esau. And so Esau was a hunter. He had hairy arms. And, and I mean, he was a hunter gatherer.

And Jacob was a mother's boy, a mama's boy. So to speak, he always stayed around the house. He helped in every way he could. But he didn't have the hairy arms and didn't have the physique that Esau had as a hunter. And when it came time for Jacob to give the estate to one of his sons, of course, it would go to the firstborn. And the firstborn was Esau.

And yet, Jacob's mother took a piece of lambskin with the hairiness on it and put it over, over Jacob's arm. Because the father had gotten to a point where he couldn't see. He was pretty much blind. And so he said, come to me, that I can know that you are the heir apparent. Jacob walked over and I can't even imagine what was going through Jacob's mind. You know, oh my God, if he finds out, you know, but he puts out his arm, his father runs his hand across the fur, the hairiness.

And he said, yes, you are my son, the heir apparent. And he gave him the blessing of the kingdom. And it wasn't much longer till here comes Esau back from hunting. And he says, hey, what's going on? I should have the heir apparent, but you see, when he come back from hunting one time, there was a pot of stew, and he said, 'Oh, what's in the stew?' And Jacob said, yeah, how bad you want it? You know, give up your part of the kingdom to me, make me the heir apparent.

And that doesn't mean you can't have, you know, riches and wealth, but, you know, make me the heir apparent. And if you can do that, you can eat all you want. And of course, you know, Esau not having any wisdom, you know, he can shoot up an arrow on pretty short, pretty good, but so what did he do? I want the whole pot, take it all, you know, and he ate until he was as full as he could be. And then he went back out into the woods, and it wouldn't talk a few years later, the word came that he had an army of his own, and he wanted to meet with Jacob to settle this once and for all. It had already been settled.

Now, Jacob's name is Jakob. Well, it also could be Jim, but the name does have a vibration, and Jakob is that he took something that maybe should have gone to somebody else. It should have gone to Esau, but Esau gave it up. He gave it up on his own, but still can carry a vibration, especially if the other person's really mad at you. So Jacob had to go through this all his life every time he turned around. One of his sons was, you know, was being deceitful, not telling what was really going on, and they told his father that Joseph had been killed while they were out hunting, and they gave him a bloody piece of coat.

And so Jacob, it was the worst day of Jacob's life. But when Pharaoh came to Joseph and said, you know, as my, as the one I rely on, you know, I had a dream, and Jacob said, I know. It was seven fat calves and seven lean calves. Yes, he said again, I don't know how you do that, but yes. He said, the fat cows that you saw represent a time of plenty, seven years of plenty, you know, more than the people could eat. And the other cows that were lean cows, they represented seven years of famine after the fat cows.

And Jacob said, or Pharaoh said, so what do I do? I'm supposed to just, you know, let people die. I mean, you know, I mean, I'll certainly ask something to eat, but, you know, and this Pharaoh, one of the answer, and if you could get one, which he did, because Joseph said, here, this will take care of it. If you take for the first seven years, the years of plenty and ration out portions to everybody, and the extra, you store away. And I believe it was stored in the pyramid, believe it or not, because when they finally took it out, some of it was moldy. But you know what?

They were the healthiest Egyptians that ever existed, because mold is what? Or, you know, in one sense, mold is associated with penicillin. So they had an antibiotic built into it. But it actually worked. And the Pharaoh just could not believe how well. And Joseph had two children, I believe, and they were Egyptian.

Now, the law said, if you're Hebrew, you have to be married to a Hebrew, so that the lineage is passed in a Hebrew way. Well, two people in history, which one was Joseph, the other one was Moses, they believed that the law was meant to be by the spirit of the law, not by the letter of the law. And if people had just lived by the spirit of the law, even, things had been okay. But they could not even do that. I mean, come on, I mean, they didn't even get over the Red Sea and on the sand before they were screaming out how thirsty they were. Really?

Well, I happened to have a Pepsi here somewhere, you know. But she realized how many there were. From what I've been told, there's about 500,000 that made the Exodus. Only two actually made it to the promised land, Joshua and Caleb. So, you know, they kept screaming, screaming. And Moses was like, Oh my God, these people are going to drive me nuts, you know, try having 500,000 people screaming at you, they're thirsty.

So he took his rod and he hit a rock and the rock broke open and water poured forth. All that they could drink. Wow. You know, are you getting it now? I mean, you know, all you had to do was say, walk and walk. You did, and guess what?

The water's parted. And when you got to the outside, you know, I mean, they were thirsty. But yet, you had to go to Moses and say, we are thirsty and maybe we should have just stayed in Egypt and died in Egypt, because at least we had water. Really? I mean, really? So, I mean, Moses gave them the water.

And the next one, we want meat. We're tired of eating stuff that's not meat. I mean, you're coming out of slavery and you're now free, you know, free bird. And they, but they wanted meat. So, a north wind, I believe it was, you know, which it was unusual, turned and it turned toward where the Israelites were camped. And it blew off the quail, which were getting ready to leave for migration.

And as they went into the air, that wind blew them into the camp of the Israelites. And it's been said that there was 1.2 million, you've got an interesting number, Sandy. 1.2 million quail landed in the camp. It was knee high for everybody there. I mean, God doesn't do things in little things. He could have had one quail per person. You got your meat, didn't you?

Those cheeks are really good. And I'm not kidding. I have eaten quail and the cheeks of the quail are the best part. They're little, but they're good. And so they ate to their full. And that's how God works.

God's not a God of just enough. God's not a God of too little. God is a God of overflow. So they were knee deep in them in those quail. I mean, knee deep. And so that satisfied for a little while.

They kept complaining though. And Moses tried the best he could. He finally had to put in place judges, you know, because too many people were having problems. But they couldn't come to the realization that God had lifted them out of third dimension and placed them into a dimensional space where they could create their own miracles. And they just they could never get it. I mean, they just couldn't.

I mean, he's up on the mountain for three weeks. And I mean, with Joshua waiting for him at the bottom. And three weeks, I said three weeks he was up on the mountain. And they could hear the thunder and the lightning and they were afraid, but they decided we got to melt down that gold to make a calf. A calf. Yeah, a calf.

So they made an altar and they started human sacrifice. Oh my God. Look where you have come from. But are we sometimes like that too? Maybe we might not, you know, sacrifice a child, you know, like they did first born. But if they thought it was going to get them lots of food, lots of money, gold.

You know, but God said, I'm going to keep feeding you. But what I give you can't share. You can't share or keep it. It won't you want to be allowed to keep it overnight or store it. But it'll be there every morning for you. And it was manna.

And what is manna? What is it? See, that's the question. And that is the answer because that's what manna means is what is it? And so it's of God. But it's bread, the bread of heaven.

And it was all that they could eat. And there were some that just couldn't help themselves. They would bury it under their pillows or, you know, or in their clothing or, you know what, Moses was pretty psychic, he was a psychic himself. And so he had put to death all those who hoarded the manna. And it didn't matter anyway because by morning, the manna was moldy and had rotted. So how often do we get something and we think, I'm going to hide this, I'm going to put it away and, you know, hold on to it.

And you know what, it doesn't work. Why? Because sometimes we're not meant to be able to hold it because there has to be movement in creation. So what's the movement? The movement was you've got the manna to eat, move through the desert like you're headed towards the mountain to receive 10 commandments and then continue on. And they could have went to, they fasted for three days, I think it was, and, you know, and prayed for those three days and yet they still were not able to ascend the mountain with Moses.

Joshua could, but they could not. Why? Oh my goodness, because they didn't believe. And even with the fasting and everything. That's why, you know, I hear people say all the time, well, fast 28 days, I ask, why 28 days?. Why?

A moon cycle. I don't know anywhere in the Bible, which says anything about fasting for a moon cycle. But, you know, but once in a while, you should forsake something that you really want or buy it and give it away. If that's what you want to do. How many go to church or they give 10%. You know, if you really think that the 10% that you give is going to, you know, get you through those pearly gates and keep in mind those gates open downward, not outward.

But even so, you know, it's not. If you are making big money and you're giving, even if you're given 10%, can you afford 15, 20 maybe and still have 80? I mean, you know, what God's looking for is a sacrifice on your part. He sent Christ. And Christ was literally a holographic image of God himself and placed him into the body of a man. And so the things Jesus did were the things that we come up against.

I mean, when he cleared the temple, he did it in anger, but it was anger was perfect as a man. And when he loved, it was as a man and it was perfect. Everything he did was perfect. And he gave us a way to see it. And we look at it and go, yeah, but he was God or the Son of God. And so, you know, I mean, he had a, yeah, a little bit of an extra, you know, peace there that we don't have.

No, that's not true. He walked it as a man. And he got on that cross as a man. He was not the same person when he was resurrected. When he was resurrected, the power that come out of him scared people. And his look changed because he started incorporating, you know, other lifetimes of people that, you know, that had come before him.

And so, it changed the look a little, but it's still the look that we should have too because we were made in his image. And so, do what, don't do what somebody tells you. Do what God tells you. And ask. And if you're, if you got, you know, a hundred thousand dollar check, if you're given 10%, well, it may not help you. I mean, as much as you may think, you know, but if you gave 15, that's more than the law requires.

And why not? Right? You know, and so, I'll say one last thing about it. And that was that, you know, Jesus, as again, as I said, he lived as a man, God is a man, and resurrected as God. When the world was formed, being formed, or being created, it was being created in the mind of God. And in the mind of God was the logos.

And that was the Christ that we're talking about here. And he, through the all of the, you know, symbols and things like that, that were being given to him, he was creating a universe. And it was going to be different. It was a child universe. And it would be, it would allow for, for free will. And so, he called forth all the animals and he named them.

And some people would say, come on, how could you set in that garden and call every animal you think are going to come and stay in line? No, because they haven't been born yet. They haven't even been created yet. But as he called them forth, he created them, and he named them. And that was with all of creation. That's what he did within the mind of God.

And he had access to all of the symbols that needed to be used, and all of the light that needed to be used. And he created the world for us that we would be more than likely the only ones that ever had free will. Let us make man in our image like us, that they will be like us. Wow. I mean, when you think about it, so don't ever think that or say, you know, I hear you, but, you know, just because Jesus did, it doesn't mean I can do it. I mean, he was Jesus, and then He became God.

Yes, he did. So what's that mean for you? If you can do it, or even try, sometimes try as counting and try, you too can be a part of God and still know that I self to be individual. Wow. I mean, what is that? What gift could you actually receive in the material realm that would be that great?

And yet, are you doing it? Are you doing the thing you know to do? You're praying every day. Are you getting up in the morning and asking God to take your life and move you through it and your will in his? And believe it, and as you move through the day, always ask, you know, let me stay in your will and you will find that life becomes like you're in a boat on a river flowing calmly. Or you can be the guy on the shore that's trying to trip over the rocks itself.

So seriously, it's that simple. And yet, I know it's hard, but God's there for you. God never leaves you. Christ never leaves you. He is always with you. He is omnipresent.

And so that means he can be everywhere at once. And that's why he's God. And so would you pray to Jesus, you know, his real name was Yeshua. But you know, the Greeks and the Romans, their highest God was Zeus. So that's how they wouldn't know beyond that. You know, to give them any credit, must have been Zeus, it was here.

So, you know, that's how the name came about. You know, it's acceptable, but the real name is Yeshua, our God and our Savior. The Father is Yahovah or Yahweh, either way, and the Holy Spirit is Shekinah. The Holy Spirit is Shekinah. And they ask that the Holy Trinity, three is one, come forth, and in each of their roles, you know, take hold of your life and bring you home when the time is right and hold to it. Because right now, this world is far from it.

You know, the last I checked, it was 60-40 with the 60 being bad, the 40 being or the 60 being not so shiny. How's that? The angels use that. And the 40 being Christians or spiritual people. And half of those are Christians only in Word. Are they following Christ and what Christ did?

Are they trying to bring others to Christ? Are they holding baptisms? Are they giving out extra food? People they've never met. Do they stop somebody's supermarket and say, hey, how you doing? My name's blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

You know, and I was just guided to walk over here and see if there's anything you really need without judgment. You know, do you not give somebody something because they're black and you're white or you're white and they're black or either way, you know, or somebody from the Middle East, I think can walked up to someone who was Muslim and I use the fact that there's only one God, right? And every one of them always agree, oh yeah, there's only one God, then there shouldn't be any conflict between us. You know, I don't judge you. You don't have to judge me, but I'm going to do everything I can to bring people to Christ. But there's only one God, right?

Yep. And they'll walk away and it amazing Sandy. She looks at me and she goes, how do you know they wouldn't pull a knife? They ain't have don't think that I didn't scan them. I do. But at the same time, you know, not to be rude.

I mean, I scanned them just because I scanned anybody I woke up to. It's been sore to make sure they don't have a, you know, a sword in their pocket. But West Virginia, you can carry anything you want. If you're allowed to carry it, you can carry it. And I told her, [name unclear] went to them and said, can you get me a little bazooka? Did they make bazookas that like a sit down in my pants?

And he looked at me and he said, would you really want a bazooka if you could get it? And I looked at him. I didn't answer. I just looked at him and he asked, he said, yeah, you would, wouldn't you? Well, you know, it could come in handy, you know, it could save your life someday, maybe. So, you know, I don't want to hurt anybody.

It's not in my thought form. And the angel said to me one time, they said, you know, thing about you, Jim, is that you won't have any idea in your mind of actually hurting someone. But if it meant the life of your, of you, or now your wife, or your kids, or, you know, then you do whatever it took. And God accepts that. So I'll turn it back over saying again.

Speaker 1 - Sandy:
Okay. Well, as you know, as our title was sadness, hope, separation, unity, and love, you know, with sadness and separation, they're often the starting points or reflecting the reality of our human brokenness, where hope and unity, well, they emerge through God's grace, his forgiveness, and the choice to love and reconcile. You see, God's work can transform pain into purpose, and division into unity. So we must trust our own times of loss and separation, because God can bring hope and reconciliation. Even in our darkest times, there is a redemption showing that no human condition is beyond God's grace. Sorrow is not the end, but it's a necessary part of the soul's growth.

It's preparing our heart for deeper understanding and compassion. We certainly don't want to have to go through it, but it offers us something larger in the end. You see, the biblical narratives are not just historical accounts about spiritual lessons, about the souls, you know, journey. It's that sadness revealed God's enduring love and the possibility of transformation. And together, they formed a timeless guide for living with compassion, resilience, and faith. When sadness or depression becomes a problem, it's recommended that you maybe read and study inspiration materials, you know, passages from the Bible, the 23rd Psalm, chapters out of John, maybe some of the 14, 15, 16, or 17, you know, something to uplift you.

Speaker 2 - Jim:
And we talk about the 23rd Psalm. It's not just a story. Right. I mean, literally, if you read it, read it three times, but read it closely, carefully, and ask God to reveal it to you, so that you can be lifted up, because it will do it in a New York minute. We just don't always see it that way, you know, because the way it was written in ancient times by the biblical writers, but, oh man, it has power. It does.

It really does. You know, and the Bible can be viewed not only

Speaker 1 - Sandy (with a brief interjection from Jim):
as a literal history, but as a soul map of multi-layer narrative that reflects the universal human journey from separation to unity with the divine. You see, the biblical stories are symbolic representations of inner spiritual processes. And can I say something? Had if they weren't that way, we would just be forgiven and going about choices, then we would just do it again. That's true. And to know also that the themes of separation and reunion are central to understanding them, because you see, in the fall of man, and we'll say the Tower of Babel, it's linked to the soul's descent into ignorance and fragmentation.

So it was probably not at a lower time that had actually been as there was when that happened. Right. Now, in the unity through Christ, the Christ spirit is available to all who seek it. See, Jesus, as the final incarnation of the Christ, embodied love, service, and the victory of spirit over matter. And his crucifixion and resurrection were both historical and symbolic, representing the overcoming of separation and the promise of eternal reunion. And in the separation at the end time, Jesus vividly describes the separation of people in the parable of the sheep and the goats.

In Matthew 25, verses 31-[ending verse unclear]. Can I ask a question? For the goats representative of the female? I'm not sure. I'm just asking. Okay.

Okay. But he explains that when the son of man comes in his glory with all the angels, he will sit on his throne and separate people as the shepherd separates sheep from goats. And the righteous, which represented by the sheep, are placed on his right and are inherent the kingdom prepared for them. While the wicked represented by the goats are sent to eternal punishment. And keep in mind that when they talk about, even in the Bible, about the great white throne of judgment, standing before it are half a dozen people or so. And they say, oh, Lord, have mercy on us because we have followed you.

We have healed the sick. We have, you know, helped people that have been downtrodden. And we have raised the dead in your name. And God said, I know you not. He said, you know, be taken to your place. And why?

I mean, oh, my goodness. I mean, what they were saying, I mean, should have been a positive, but it wasn't, you know, why? Because they did it with almost magical because they used the sacred names of God to create an energy that could do all of that. And it's still there, still available to even to us. But we don't want to get it too soon because we'll misuse it. But they were not giving God the credit.

They were taking the credit and it didn't work. Right. Now, this separation of the sheep and goats are based on moral and spiritual choices. It's emphasizing the acts of compassion and obedience to God's will, such as here's examples of feeding the hungry. You know, how many people are volunteering to do that or clothing the needy or visiting the sick and not just family. I mean, as a matter of fact, it shouldn't be family.

Not another family member do it, but help somebody who would never think it would come from you. And you will find that person, I mean, praise for you every night and they'll treat you differently from this point forward. And, you know, it's always nice to help out family and friends, but you know, this goes beyond that. This goes into helping people you don't even know. And can you do that? Are you willing to reach out that far?

I mean, and if I had to guess, it would be that when you help people you don't even know, God will take care of your family. And you won't even know it. I mean, you go, where did that come from? You know, we don't know. It just appeared. Right.

Now, on the cross, Jesus experienced a profound spiritual separation from God the Father. Yeah, it's quoting in Psalms 22, my God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Well, this moment reflects the penalty of sin being placed upon him as humanity's substitute. And while Jesus remained fully divine, his human nature endured the agony of separation from the father, experiencing those physical deaths, which will be the separation of the body and the spirit and spiritual death.

Speaker 2 - Jim:
And let's not forget too, the spitting on him, the ridicule, the yelling at him that he had to endure, because there was nobody there to take up his cause. They were all hiding somewhere, wanting to make sure that they didn't get caught up in it and crucified too. So all the people that had been his friends, that he had taken care of, that he loved for so come. And I can't even imagine, I mean, you know, these people, I mean, they saw the miracles didn't matter. Miracles will never save a person, but and not one of them showed up. Right.

And like I said, and he also had

Speaker 1 - Sandy (with brief interjections from Jim):
to experience the spiritual death, which was the separation from God. And to reconcile humanity with God, he had to experience this. This separation was not a rupture in the trinity, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, but a real human suffering necessary for salvation, demonstrating the depths of Christ's sacrifice and the bridge he provided between God and mankind. Jesus's teachings and actions reveal that separation is both a future divine judgment and a present spiritual reality, emphasizing accountability, justice, and the transformative power of his sacrifice. When we can understand the depth of this and what he went through for us and how he is there for us when we call upon him, why would we ever want to reject him? You know, if we're coming into these times in the very, very near months of major changes on this planet where many lives can be taken and these earth changes were these possible warlike activities, you know, we have to look at, you know, are we prepared?

Do we, are we so egotistical that we think we can survive anything on our own? You know, it will come a point of judgment. You know, God will be judging us. Are we willing to, you know, bow down before God and accept him as our Lord and Savior? Or do we think that our egos are big enough that we can just do it all on our own? Right.

Or like they've been taught, well, when you were 12, you said you wanted to give your life to God or to Christ. And so therefore you're saved. You don't ever have to worry about it again. Right. And you know what? Nothing that stands still has any power at all.

There has to be movement. And in anything created, there has to be movement. So you have to move from that point on at 12, if that's when you got baptized or christened or at age of five, from that point forward, you were dedicated to God and there had to be movement. Right. And when you go within and you really view your life, you know, and what you're doing in the present day, you know, when you weigh it out, are you happy? Are you contented?

Do you feel like that you're serving God? You know, what emotions do you carry within you? Don't guilt yourself. I'm not asking you to do that. I'm just asking you to evaluate yourself. And if you do move, you know, and try, then there is no reason for guilt.

That's exactly right. But it's never too late to turn to God. God is a very forgiving God. And he wants all of his children to be able to make it through these changing times. He wants to be able to lift everyone to a higher level of awareness and consciousness. But you realize that if you're lifted to a higher level of consciousness, but you're still holding on to all your emotional baggage, you're going to create so much chaos for yourself.

Because it will be quickened. The energy is within you will be quickened. It will create a storm around you. It will. It will draw things to you because you're like a big magnet. Whatever is within you.

If you're holding love, you draw more love to you. If you're holding anger, you're going to draw situations that's going to make you more angry. And so start now and making the changes that are necessary so that it doesn't have to go there. Right. Right.

Speaker 2 - Jim:
And humbleness. Wow. Have you seen much humbleness in most people? You know, everybody thinks that, you know, they're not going to say that about me. I'm going to defend myself. And if I have to go out there and fight for it, I'm going to fight for it.

You know, yeah, you know, it's like, but do you understand that? Do you even know the big picture of the people that you're fighting against? Do you know why they're doing what they do? You know, it's like every religion has basically, well, most religious, not every, but most have one God. Okay. And this God's the same God, you know, and it's like, why are we fighting against each other?

Well, we're all believing basically in the same thing, you know, it's just that there is so much political stuff going on and so much negative belief systems embedded in us. Oh, but we've got, you know, this president that's in there now, it's going to change. Yeah. You know, so we put so much judgment on everything that we get so confused. If somebody says, I need you to go out there and fight and kill, then you go do it. You know, why?

If you really looked at most of the people and you got down to their basic needs at one, it's all about one thing is everybody wants to be loved. And, and so if that's the bottom line, okay, why can't that happen? You know, where, where is the separation happening here? That's wanting us to kill rather than to be our brothers keepers. Well, we're lied. Let's face it.

We are lied to so much anything that was not made or built or done with their mind on Christ. And, you know, him fully embraced in your heart and you following him wherever he leads you will, will tear apart and fall down. It cannot stand because it has to have restoration on a regular basis with light. And if it doesn't, it cannot stand. You're building something that is worthless.

Speaker 1 - Sandy (with brief interjections from Jim):
And do you realize that the earth is a living entity and everybody that's on the earth contributes their energies, whether they be emotional negative ones or emotional positive ones. And if a mass amount of people begin to all focus on a specific side, negative or positive, okay, it begins to affect the whole planet. And when our planet begins to resonate at a frequency that is negative, the sun has to interact with its huge coronal mass ejections with its photon energies. It's going to slam us to bring very vibrational light into our bodies to help us see. It doesn't feel very good. That you're doing is wrong.

The resonance of your planet is in discord to the whole solar system. You know, so we are all connected, not just on earth, but in our whole solar system and our galaxy and our universe. And when we become so discord out of tune that our vibrations on the planet disturb the whole solar system, there's a problem. And that is the old adage, isn't it, that if a butterfly flaps its wings in China, it could cause, you know, a wind to occur, you know, in the United States. Right. It really is true.

So if we intentionally make a point to emanate love, no matter what the situation is around us, that is a more dominant energy. And it will, it will expand outward, not just to the person that you're reflecting it to, but to all around. And imagine that if more and more people did that, we wouldn't have war because people wouldn't feel the need to have war. We were even told by the Holy Trinity that, you know, one person, if you can get them to smile, it can change all the way across the world. It is an illusion that we are separated from God. It is an illusion to believe that, that we are more powerful than God.

It is an illusion and it is a trickery. It's Satan's way of tricking you into believing something that's not true. And all you have to do is look at it. I mean, it's not hard. If you look at it and it doesn't have God in it, then stay away from it because it's not real. It's fake.

It's false. And what do you remember the most in your life? You remember most of the things in your life that touched your soul? It was you, baby. It was the love that you have said coming from people, places, you know, nature, coming from, you know, into your heart. It, that, it, it changes you.

It makes you feel in unity with God. And you flow. Right. And so if these are the things that we remember the most, then why do we want to have retaliation? Why do we want to, you know, project such horrible, negative, evil things? Because we let it get to the point where it's so bad that we think the only way to change it is to hit it with a nuke.

And it will never end. You know, negative things only create more negative things. Right. It has to be a point where you say, enough is enough. Right. [unclear phrase].

Right. Enough is enough. And the world stands up for what it's supposed to stand up for God. And we hold in our hearts and souls no matter how much repercussion that you, that you stand against that doing the right thing, doing, following the Ten Commandments, following the laws of God. That's what's going to earn us our place in heaven.

Speaker 2 - Jim (with brief interjections from Sandy):
And keep in mind that Jesus after he, you know, ascended the three days and ascended into the heavens, he became our God. He's no longer the son, so to speak. He knows himself to be individual. Yet he is one with the whole and the father, the original father, has moved backward into the original universe and has allowed his son, so to speak, Christ, as many know him, to have total control over the whole universe because he earned it. Right. And the one thing that we have to realize is that we are a spark of light from God.

And we should never look as though that we are less than, that we are so ignorant, that we will never be of any account or value to anybody else. We should never allow these thoughts to be placed into our consciousness because we have the opportunity to be anything we want to be. And if we follow in the laws and the light of God, literally it is said, if we are that powerful and connected to God, we can move mountains by just commanding it. But you know what, we all so often, or too often, take the easy route. We do. We're too afraid to stand up for what is right because what?

We may be killed. You know? You're going to die anyway. I mean, it's just that way. Would you rather die with the mark of fate on you? You know, or would you rather die standing up for what God has asked you to do?

Right. Where everything becomes part of what you can have and still know yourself to be who you are. Right. You know,

Speaker 1 - Sandy:
life is short and we need to realize that we only have a small amount of time before massive change is going to start hitting us. It's already happening. But thank goodness. It could become worse. You know, do we really want to live for 25,000 years? You know?

Oh my golly. I mean, you know, yes. But in this short period of time, if you knew you only had X amount of time to live, what would you want in your life? What would you want to do? What would you want to leave behind as your legacy? You know?

Would you believe that, you know, no, I'm just going to be an evil person and make other people miserable? Or do you want to make a difference and

Speaker 2 - Jim (with a brief interjection from Sandy):
lift them up and allow them to have more opportunities? And you know, I gave Sandy. I gave Sandy the answer to that for me. I told her I said, I want to be cremated, but do not. Everybody out there listening do not allow her to flush me down a toilet. I don't think that's going to happen.

I hear you, but I'm just making sure. Yeah. But you know, we can look back when we're sad on moments in our life

Speaker 1 - Sandy:
where they were really pleasant that made you laugh, that made you happy, and the mind will create that energy immediately around you. And so if you're feeling down and sad, think of those moments where it was so wonderful, that you know, so pleasurable, and just allow yourself to bask in those energies. And if you want to laugh because you're down, call me. You won't talk to me for more than just a couple of minutes, and I have you laughing. And you know, it's always nice to watch a funny movie that will make you laugh. We have some favorites of our own.

And My Cousin Vinny. That is a funny one. You know, but you know, listening to upbeat music, you know, something spiritual, something that is has some kind of vibration of higher intentions. You know, you know, this is always good. And understand that just saying like the 23rd Psalm or the Lord's Prayer, these open up the energy systems of the body and align it to your higher being's light. And please don't make it such that if the world doesn't get this under control and everything is rolled up like a scroll, and then it is the new Jerusalem and a new planet.

And we start over again. I can't tell you that we haven't already done this and failed, but let's not do that this time. But we only got a very short time. So let's do what we need to do, because I've

Speaker 2 - Jim (with a brief interjection from Sandy):
already told my wife, you know, if I have to come back again, you know, and have to repopulate this earth, I'm going to have a harem, okay? You know, because it was allowed back then. As she said, I hear you big boy, you can't even handle me. It's funny, you know, but you know, think about the

Speaker 1 - Sandy:
things that you do, the things that you say and be conscious, because growing into higher consciousness is all about being conscious in the moment. What you do, what you say, your intentions, your thoughts, you know, we think, well, if I don't say it, it doesn't matter. Yeah, it does, because your thoughts hold a vibration. And that is emanated out from you. You may not say the words, but they feel the energies you're projecting. Well, and you put you down when

Speaker 1 and Speaker 2 - Sandy and Jim (closing exchange):
when we were first given the orders, marching orders, to start telling people we love them. I love you. Even if we don't know who they were, you were really convinced. You told me you said, you say that to a single woman, and I'll tell you what, she's either going to slap you, you know, I mean, or, you know, just walk away, mad. I said, why? Because she's going to think you're hitting on her.

Really? She said, yeah, I said, well, I don't have any choice. And you know what, it hasn't been that way. Nobody, not one time, has thought that way. And women are the ones that need to be empowered the most. Probably.

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