[00:00] Speaker 1: (instrumental music plays) Are you ready for new dimensions and countless possibilities today and for the future? It's an exciting new time and the answers are out there. So join Mary Jane Pop as she explores the unique and unusual for a better life on Pop Talk, in search for the truth. And here she is, Mary Jane Pop.

[00:23] Speaker 2: And welcome once again to Pop Talk. How, you know, we've got such good stuff all the time. This one, this hour is strictly about what is our life like? Um, what can, what can be coming in our lives? And hopefully things will get better. (laughs) You know? It's just kind of crazy out there. I don't know how you feel about it, but I get up in the morning and I, I w- I force myself to watch the news and then I go, "Oy." You know? (laughs) What am I doing? But I do th- w- the only thing you can do is the best you can. So let's try giving you some good advice on how you can achieve that right here on Pop Talk. (instrumental music plays) Boy, what a crazy world we live in. You know, we don't know what's coming daily, right? Now, I bet though that world-renowned astrologer, Constance Stellos, has some insight for us. Her Greek heritage led her to what she's been doing today, using common sense and a look at the planets. She's an astrologer.

[01:32] Speaker 2: Now her books cover it all in life, from The Hidden Power of Everyday Things to, this is a good one, The Everything Sex Signs Book: Astrology Between the Sheets (laughs) and more. She's written so many books. Constance, nice to have you with us on Pop Talk.

[01:50] Speaker 3: Thank you. Thank you. Always a treat here. We're sweltering. I guess, uh, I- is it good weather to be in Sacramento?

[01:56] Speaker 2: It's not bad. Not bad up here.

[01:58] Speaker 3: Oh, good. Good.

[01:59] Speaker 2: You know, it's still hot but, you know-

[02:01] Speaker 3: We're lucky. Pretty hot.

[02:01] Speaker 2: Welcome to summer (laughs) in California.

[02:04] Speaker 3: Yeah. True. True.

[02:04] Speaker 2: Um-

[02:05] Speaker 3: True.

[02:06] Speaker 2: ... what in the world is going on in the world? What is... I just don't get it. It seems like-

[02:11] Speaker 3: Well-

[02:11] Speaker 2: ... every day gets worse and worse instead of better.

[02:15] Speaker 3: We, we, we are in, I mean, this is an understatement, an enormous period of change, and radical change and unforeseeable changes in the short term. But in the long term, it will be beneficial to the entire planet. I'm not gonna say how long term, because then you start counting and (laughs) we get nervous as us-

[02:37] Speaker 2: Can you give me a ballpark?

[02:39] Speaker 3: ... more anxiety hit.

[02:39] Speaker 2: Give me a ballpark. I don't know what it's gonna be a-

[02:41] Speaker 3: Well, I think there's a couple of... Well, let me say before that.

[02:44] Speaker 2: Okay.

[02:44] Speaker 3: We have to think about the planet Earth as a school and we're here to learn evolutionary lessons, if you wanna put it that way, to move the planet forward. And sometimes that's pleasant and sometimes it's not so pleasant, but there are many things at work in the cosmos to have this planet survive.

[03:10] Speaker 2: Hmm.

[03:11] Speaker 3: And then we also can exa- uh, examine other planets in the universe for what they are learning. But that's not, uh, immediate, you know? And I, and I, I, I don't know anything about outer space ships or anything but I do know astrology.

[03:27] Speaker 2: Okay.

[03:28] Speaker 3: And the reason we feel out of control, chaotic, confused is that the furthest planet from our sun is Pluto. And Pluto is now at a, uh, 2020 in the sign of Aquarius, and this hasn't happened for over 250 years. In fact, it is exactly in the same position as Pluto was when this country was founded.

[03:59] Speaker 2: Oh.

[04:00] Speaker 3: So... Yeah. And, um, Aquarius is the vibration of change, maybe eccentric change, breakthrough mentally, theoretically, medicinely. That's not a word but in medicine, in all sorts of areas of life but it is not calm and we, we like calm, we want calm, and we will get to calm but we have to go through some breakthrough thinking, uh, to get there.

[04:33] Speaker 2: Seems like, uh, I'm never gonna see that. You know? (laughs) It's just, it's too far away. You know?

[04:40] Speaker 3: Well, there are little ways every single day, like, I mean, thinking about generations, right?

[04:47] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[04:47] Speaker 3: One generation says, "This kind of music is, is the best." The other says, "Well, that music is boring and, and doesn't give anything to anybody and, you know, I want, I want the heavy metal. It's not, that's old-fashioned already, or house music or whatever." But each generation comes to their own place in understanding what they, what they like and it's more than just personal understanding, it's what is offered in the, in the cosmos so to speak.

[05:22] Speaker 3: So about the universe seeing it, we are seeing bits and pieces of it right now-

[05:27] Speaker 2: Like what?

[05:27] Speaker 3: ... but you have to look.

[05:28] Speaker 2: Give me an example. Like what?

[05:31] Speaker 3: Well, this is a superficial example but it always strikes me as wild, people who make their hair green or blue or purple or whatever.

[05:40] Speaker 2: Oh. (laughs)

[05:41] Speaker 3: Yeah. You know? And, and I think, "Well, it's certainly not my taste but it's kind of colorful and daring to be, be very, uh, eccentric."

[05:52] Speaker 2: Different. Yeah.

[05:53] Speaker 3: Okay. Other things more important, we are coming to grips with the population of the whole planet and what it needs in terms of food.And that's a big question that is in the process of being solved but not quickly. Um, and I think that that will change a lot when we have better food for all people.

[06:21] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[06:21] Speaker 3: And the sticking point now is, is that we're really divided-

[06:25] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[06:25] Speaker 3: ... in this country between the haves and the have-nots, and who gets to be a have.

[06:30] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[06:30] Speaker 3: And the extraordinary, uh, disparateness, that's a word, between very, very wealthy and the middle class or working class.

[06:42] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[06:43] Speaker 3: And that's really something that politically is a hot potato, but it- it doesn't help the evol- evolution of the earth to have some people with a- with, um, paying no taxes, with all of- (laughs) of the, uh, um, abilities of- of- of a small nation.

[07:05] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[07:06] Speaker 3: You know? That- that's how wealthy they are.

[07:08] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[07:08] Speaker 3: Okay. So we're very good at diagnosing the problems in the school, and we are moving towards solutions, but there's a lot of fracas going on, so it's hard to steer it.

[07:21] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[07:22] Speaker 3: So for you, I would say, don't get up and watch the news. You can pay attention to it. I mean, the news is your business. But it's not your fight. It's not your fight what's going on. It's not my fight. It's a power struggle, let's say in the cosmos, that eventually will lead to a happier, more peaceful solution. And I don't mean, you know, millennia.

[07:46] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[07:46] Speaker 3: I think that the 2027- 2027 will, um-

[07:52] Speaker 2: See a little?

[07:53] Speaker 3: ... provide some breakthroughs.

[07:54] Speaker 2: Oh, really?

[07:55] Speaker 3: And, um, '33, 2033, which sounds so far away.

[08:01] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[08:01] Speaker 3: But the planets are always moving, and they're moving in cycles, and these cycles are always repeated.

[08:09] Speaker 2: Can you hurry them up a little bit? (laughs)

[08:12] Speaker 3: What is a repeat? What?

[08:12] Speaker 2: Can you hurry them up a little bit?

[08:15] Speaker 3: H- Can I hurry them up?

[08:16] Speaker 2: Yeah. (laughs)

[08:17] Speaker 3: Sure.

[08:18] Speaker 2: (laughs) I wish we could hurry them up a little bit.

[08:20] Speaker 3: Sure. I'm- I'm- I'm on it. I'm on it. (laughs)

[08:22] Speaker 2: Okay. (laughs) That's great. Well, you know, I worry-

[08:24] Speaker 3: No, but let me tell you, we can hurry it up. You know how we can hurry it up?

[08:27] Speaker 2: How?

[08:29] Speaker 3: Each person deciding what it is that they can do for the, let's say, the greater good.

[08:34] Speaker 2: Oh.

[08:35] Speaker 3: If you're a protester, protest. If you're not, don't go near a crowd. There's no, "You must do it this way."

[08:42] Speaker 2: Okay.

[08:42] Speaker 3: And we have freedom of choice, and, um, by paying attention to that, we are contributing to the energy of forward motion.

[08:54] Speaker 2: Okay. Well, the-

[08:54] Speaker 3: So I'm not saying be fat and happy and don't do nothing.

[08:57] Speaker 2: No, no, no, no.

[08:58] Speaker 3: That's- that's not gonna help.

[08:59] Speaker 2: I get you, but you know-

[09:00] Speaker 3: But you choose...

[09:00] Speaker 2: ... what worries me, I've been doing this work, uh, with radio and television for 50 years.

[09:08] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[09:08] Speaker 2: I'll finally admit it. 50 years I've been doing this. Uh, and there was a time when I thought free speech was wonderful, and has been-

[09:17] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[09:17] Speaker 2: ... always has been part of our country. I feel stifled now. I really do. If I see something-

[09:22] Speaker 3: Because of the political correctness?

[09:24] Speaker 2: Yeah. Not only political correctness. Just political, period. And yet I'm watching-

[09:30] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[09:30] Speaker 2: ... over my shoulder to see if somebody's listening to what I'm saying because I may be on somebody's hit list because of what I say. It's ridiculous.

[09:38] Speaker 3: W- Well, I think, uh, you have a point, and I also think that some people that have nothing to do with the media feel like they're on a hit list.

[09:46] Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[09:46] Speaker 3: Because the rapid- the- the rapid change in structure and systems is not... ha- has never been experienced in this country.

[09:56] Speaker 2: No.

[09:57] Speaker 3: But people do speak out, and sometimes powerful, wealthy people do speak out, and we have to kind of push them along, um, and agree with them because there is safety in numbers. I'm not saying that, you know, any day now, uh, the- the utopia is gonna reign upon us.

[10:17] Speaker 2: No.

[10:18] Speaker 3: But the fear that we feel, and it's all over, it's confusion and chaos, is because the system is evolving and it needs to break down more before it evolves.

[10:30] Speaker 2: Oh, boy.

[10:30] Speaker 3: Sorry.

[10:31] Speaker 2: Oh, boy.

[10:31] Speaker 3: But that's the truth.

[10:32] Speaker 2: How- how are we finding-

[10:33] Speaker 3: So you do whatever you need to do to keep your- your- your head above water. (laughs)

[10:37] Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, uh, I- I've felt... 20 years ago, 30 years ago-

[10:42] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[10:42] Speaker 2: I felt better about being... saying what I thought needs to be said on the air.

[10:48] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[10:49] Speaker 2: Now, I s-

[10:49] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[10:50] Speaker 2: ... I second guess myself. And that is-

[10:52] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[10:52] Speaker 2: ... that bothers me a lot. (laughs) You know? I- I wanna say something and then, "No, wait a minute, think about this." (laughs) You know? What are the ramifications if you say this? And I didn't feel that way 20 years ago. I just didn't. I didn't feel that way 10 years ago. Uh, it's just... I- I don't know.

[11:08] Speaker 3: Well, maybe there's a learning curve for you. I'm not sure exactly, but- but-

[11:11] Speaker 2: No, it's not a learning curve. I've learned enough. I've learned enough in this business.

[11:14] Speaker 3: Yeah, I got this.

[11:16] Speaker 2: You know? And... but it's-

[11:16] Speaker 3: I got this.

[11:17] Speaker 2: But it's one of those things... I mean, I- I listen to some... and like you said, I am in the business of news and I've gotta keep up with it, but, you know, people throwing accusations at everybody and name-calling and-

[11:29] Speaker 3: Oh, I know. It's horrific.

[11:30] Speaker 2: ... uh, threatening. And threatening, for gosh sakes. That, you know... I- I... are we headed toward World War III? I don't know.

[11:37] Speaker 3: No. No, I don't think so. We're- we're not in a good place re- vis-a-vis war, but World War III is potentially the end of the story, and that's not going to happen.

[11:50] Speaker 2: Okay. Okay, I believe you 'cause I know you're looking at-

[11:55] Speaker 3: Yeah.

[11:55] Speaker 2: ... the planets and... How- how often do you look? Like, every day?

[12:00] Speaker 3: Oh, no, because the planets that we're dealing with don't move so slowly.

[12:04] Speaker 2: Oh.

[12:04] Speaker 3: Like Pluto is in Aquarius but it's... let's see. It's at, um...... two degrees, 46 minutes of Aquarius. So it's gonna stay at two degrees for at least, uh, a year and a half.

[12:17] Speaker 2: Oh, okay.

[12:17] Speaker 3: These things move slowly.

[12:19] Speaker 2: Oh.

[12:20] Speaker 3: So, it's the, uh, y- what you're talking about is the, the aggravating daily (laughs) planetary movement-

[12:27] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[12:27] Speaker 3: ... which is mostly the moon.

[12:29] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[12:29] Speaker 3: Because we're all familiar with the phases of the moon, how they, how they, um ... uh, the new moon and the full moon.

[12:36] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[12:36] Speaker 3: But the moon changes signs every two and a half days.

[12:39] Speaker 2: Oh.

[12:40] Speaker 3: So when the moon is compatible with your chart, you feel better. When it's making antagonistic aspects, then you don't feel so good. But it only lasts for two and a half days, so you can get through it.

[12:52] Speaker 2: Oh, okay.

[12:53] Speaker 3: If, if people are interested, I, uh, I write for Substack and I put my lunar predictions, uh, week by week. So if you sign up, you would get it in your inbox on Sunday and know what the moon's

[13:10] Speaker 2: Now wait, Substack? Tell me what Substack is.

[13:15] Speaker 3: Substack is, uh, um, a forum where you can invite people to follow you.

[13:21] Speaker 2: Oh.

[13:21] Speaker 3: And you can write articles, you can, you can post, uh, for astrology, uh, the motion of the, of the planets. It's, um ... And it's ... It is free speech. You can say anything you want. It's not owned by, by anybody who's prominent that you have to watch out for.

[13:39] Speaker 2: Okay.

[13:39] Speaker 3: You can put long writing. So it's, it's called Substack. And, um ... That's my name.

[13:44] Speaker 2: You Google it, or is it a dot com?

[13:46] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. Google it, but you don't have to. Just go to constancestellas.substack-

[13:52] Speaker 2: Oh.

[13:52] Speaker 3: ... dot com.

[13:53] Speaker 2: Okay.

[13:53] Speaker 3: And you sign up. And some people ... I mean, there's a woman named Heather Cox Richardson who is a historian, and she posts fabulous, fabulous articles, uh, on Substack.

[14:06] Speaker 2: Oh.

[14:06] Speaker 3: And you can join her feed, and then you can pay in appreciation and to get kind of content that isn't usual. So there's tiers of it, but-

[14:18] Speaker 2: Huh.

[14:18] Speaker 3: ... for free, you can find out where the moon is any old time. (laughs)

[14:21] Speaker 2: I love it. You know, it's interesting because, uh, I'm doing another show called Pop Star Talk.

[14:29] Speaker 3: Uh-huh.

[14:29] Speaker 2: And this ... I was ... It, it's actually a podcast.

[14:31] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[14:32] Speaker 2: Um, and I was approached and said, "How many, you know, interviews, celebrities that you've done over the years?" I said, "In 50 years I've done a lot." You know? (laughs) A lot of it.

[14:41] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

[14:41] Speaker 2: And I've kept them. I've actually kept them. I date back to when-

[14:45] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[14:45] Speaker 2: ... they were still on cassettes, for gosh sakes. Um ...

[14:47] Speaker 3: Right.

[14:48] Speaker 2: And I ... And they ... So I'm ... The show that I'm doing is called Pop Star Talk. It's ... All you have to do, uh, you ... Any of the platforms. I mean, you can do Pandora, Apple, RedCircle, uh, iMedia, YouTube.

[15:00] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[15:01] Speaker 2: All of them. Uh, so if you go there, and we've, we launched it in April. And the reason I'm saying about this show is that some of these shows go back 30, 40 years.

[15:14] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

[15:14] Speaker 2: And, you know, we're still ... The stuff that we're talking about today, we talked about back then. And-

[15:21] Speaker 3: That's right.

[15:21] Speaker 2: And we haven't solved them, you know? (laughs)

[15:23] Speaker 3: That's right.

[15:24] Speaker 2: It's amazing, you know? Uh, and I ... 'Cause I go back and I don't ... 'Cause people say, "Well, what did you ask that person?" "I don't remember, you know, 30 years ago." I have to go back and listen and, and show where the edits should be done.

[15:36] Speaker 3: Well, that might be a great way of, of getting yourself out of the feeling that everything's going to hell in a handbasket. (laughs)

[15:42] Speaker 2: Yes. Yes.

[15:44] Speaker 3: You know? If you, if you, if you, uh, speak, or if you review them and see ... I mean, because the celebrity, uh, the stakes have gotten higher-

[15:53] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[15:53] Speaker 3: ... for the celeb- celebrity world.

[15:55] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.

[15:55] Speaker 3: Because it's, it's more extreme and, and we have, you know, the royal interests and all sorts of different, different things. And what the, the, let's say, revealing parts of celebrity lives have become a lot more sordid sometimes.

[16:14] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Yeah. And it-

[16:16] Speaker 3: So, you, you can do that. That might be a uplifting exercise for you.

[16:20] Speaker 2: There you go. Uh, but it, it's wonderful listening back to it, because we didn't have answers then, and we still don't have answers now. (laughs) And that tells me-

[16:30] Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

[16:31] Speaker 2: ... we're still working on it, and hopefully we will find some, some answers. But I don't know.

[16:36] Speaker 3: We will.

[16:36] Speaker 2: I- it's just ... It, it's frustrating in a way, because here we are, you know, 30 years or 20 years later and we haven't solved some of these problems. And it's just ... Some of the problems are just kicked down the line, you know, kicked down ... The can down the road, you know? (laughs)

[16:52] Speaker 3: There's truth, there's truth in that. But when you think about this planet Pluto, it's known to be c- called the dredge. The dredge, because it dredges the muck.

[17:03] Speaker 2: Oh.

[17:03] Speaker 3: And, well, it, it ... We haven't experienced it in this country. For example, um, France had a Pluto return. It was called the French Revolution.

[17:13] Speaker 2: Oh, wow.

[17:14] Speaker 3: (laughs) When things changed.

[17:16] Speaker 2: Huh.

[17:16] Speaker 3: So I'm not predicting that we w- ... I mean, we are, we are undergoing a revolution, uh, of sorts in this country, because everything ... Many things have not, uh, turned out to be the way the for- founding fathers thought.

[17:32] Speaker 2: Yeah, I almost feel like, uh, and I know you don't get into the alien stuff, and I'm not talking south of the border. I'm talking about the ones (laughs) that come from other worlds-

[17:41] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[17:41] Speaker 2: ... and other planets. Um, uh, yeah, but I, I'm almost to the point thinking they're gonna probably come down and ... Eventually they'll let us know that they're here and say, "We gotta do something with you people, 'cause why can't you just get it?" You know? And, and-

[17:55] Speaker 3: Well, that's a good thought, and I do believe that they are already here, not in mass quantities, and, and they don't have, you know, weird antennae or anything. But there, there are people that come from other planets, and they come to the Earth because we are a planet of emotion and, um-... love and hate and everything in between. And they have things to learn from that, you know, like Dr. Spo- um, uh, Mr. Spock.

[18:26] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.

[18:27] Speaker 3: Mr. Spock had no emotion- but eventually everybody's on the page of evolving towards something better.

[18:37] Speaker 2: Oh.

[18:38] Speaker 3: And I think the better that we've experienced is, uh, machine-based and in medicine, but then the question is, is all these people are gonna be living longer lives, what are they gonna be doing? And-

[18:51] Speaker 2: Maybe. We're, we're not the- we're not even there yet. The- I've been talking to researchers and doctors, uh, on, on various areas, and they're saying that people are not living longer. It was always that we were all living longer before our, our parents, our pre- predecessors.

[19:08] Speaker 3: Right.

[19:08] Speaker 2: It's not that way anymore. We're falling behind.

[19:12] Speaker 3: Well, if I go- if- if I go back to the food question, I mean, th- the average American diet is toxic.

[19:19] Speaker 2: Oh, it stinks. Yeah, it's bad. (laughs)

[19:21] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[19:22] Speaker 2: I agree, I agree. Now what about-

[19:24] Speaker 3: And, and, and that-

[19:25] Speaker 2: ... what about artificial intelligence? Where does that fit into our world?

[19:29] Speaker 3: Mm. Well, first of all, it's a very Uranian, uh, invention, so to speak.

[19:34] Speaker 2: Uh-huh.

[19:34] Speaker 3: Uranian, uh, because it, um, mimics, it mimics human, uh, thought.

[19:42] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[19:42] Speaker 3: And the- the platforms are getting more and more st- sophisticated.

[19:46] Speaker 2: Yep.

[19:46] Speaker 3: And the ways that you can use them are more and more interesting. And, uh, there is a company that their business is reassuring people that AI isn't gonna take over the world. (laughs) It's a cyber th-

[20:01] Speaker 2: Well, I don't know about that because I've had researchers who are working on these, you know, androids, robots, whatever you wanna call them.

[20:10] Speaker 3: Right.

[20:10] Speaker 2: You know? Uh, and I- I always finish off with asking them, will or is it possible that AI eventually, uh, not in this lifetime, who knows how many lifetimes, could reach sentience and start thinking for themselves? Uh, because-

[20:26] Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely it's possible. It's- they're doing... Some of the programs are so, are so good they're doing it now.

[20:31] Speaker 2: Well, they are 'cause they're creating chess game, uh, chess moves and soccer plays.

[20:37] Speaker 3: Right, right, right, right, right.

[20:37] Speaker 2: And they say, "Oh, well that's because it's been programmed." No, that specific, um, play has never been programmed, but they put the information together.

[20:46] Speaker 3: Right.

[20:46] Speaker 2: That's what we do in our brain, you know? Uh-

[20:49] Speaker 3: Right, right. But we do other things in our brain. See, the big hu- the big hump for AI is intuition.

[20:57] Speaker 2: Hmm.

[20:58] Speaker 3: And AI has no intuition in the same way that a human being can have intuition, which is usually illogical and not step by step. It just kind of comes to you like a notion, a hunch.

[21:13] Speaker 2: Oh, okay.

[21:15] Speaker 3: And AI can't really do that.

[21:17] Speaker 2: Yet. (laughs)

[21:18] Speaker 3: I mean, maybe someday, but-

[21:19] Speaker 2: Yeah. (laughs) Yeah.

[21:21] Speaker 3: ... we would have to say their, their, its, uh, its strength is accumulating, sorting, and realizing what data means.

[21:31] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[21:32] Speaker 3: So, for example, for health, the statistics are if you smoke, you have a m- a higher likelihood of having back problems when you get older.

[21:43] Speaker 2: Oh, interesting.

[21:44] Speaker 3: So if they know this, then insurance will say, "Well listen, we're not ha- we're not handling any back surgery because-"

[21:53] Speaker 2: Oh.

[21:54] Speaker 3: "... you were a smoker and we know the outcomes are not good." That's the point, you know? That- so I mean, that sounds Dragonian, but if you, if you factor in the system, what you need to have better outcomes for things like surgery or, or whatever it is, then that's very productive.

[22:16] Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I-

[22:17] Speaker 3: But it doesn't help you remember to get a special gift for somebody you love, which is kind of intuitive, you know?

[22:23] Speaker 2: Yeah, I, uh, I get it that, you know, AI is here to stay. We know that. Uh, but I also look at... There were, there were- this is years ago, maybe 20, 30 years ago, there were a couple of movies where AI got to that point that they were-

[22:39] Speaker 3: Right.

[22:39] Speaker 2: ... so frustrated with humans, you know? (laughs) They basically said-

[22:43] Speaker 3: Right.

[22:43] Speaker 2: "... they're too illogical, it- they're warring all the time, they... we just need to get rid of them and take over and this will be our society."

[22:51] Speaker 3: (laughs)

[22:51] Speaker 2: And, and-

[22:51] Speaker 3: Is that, um, Inception? Are you thinking about Inception?

[22:54] Speaker 2: It might be. I, I don't remember the name of it, but I do remember how it worked and I'm going, "You know, we're headed there." You know? (laughs) Just... And I think, uh, I question. I- that's what I've been doing for 50 years. I question everything. I question people, I question processes, uh, I question inceptions, whatever, um, because I love to find out what the possibilities are. You know what I mean?

[23:20] Speaker 3: Well, one possibility is to determine or to distinguish the difference between human and mechanical, machine.

[23:29] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[23:30] Speaker 3: And-

[23:31] Speaker 2: Yeah, but people are starting to have relationships with machines. That's scary.

[23:35] Speaker 3: I know.

[23:35] Speaker 2: That's scary.

[23:37] Speaker 3: Well, I think, I think ultimately it's unsatisfying, but it is curtailing the, the, the give and take of, of let's say social intercourse. (laughs) It sounds very old-fashioned.

[23:52] Speaker 2: No, it's true. Well, you know, old-fashioned ain't bad. (laughs) It's not so bad.

[23:57] Speaker 3: No.

[23:57] Speaker 4: (laughs)

[23:57] Speaker 3: At least it-

[23:57] Speaker 2: Now, you have... Before we run out of time, which we're just about there, uh, you have a program coming up called Promoting Hope.

[24:03] Speaker 3: Yes.

[24:04] Speaker 2: When is that?

[24:05] Speaker 3: I'm, I'm doing, I'm doing a workshop at a beautiful hotel in Upstate New York, in the Catskills actually. The place is called Hemlock Neversink. (laughs) Neversink is the name of the town and the hotel is Hemlock. And it's g- it's a workshop over a weekend, last weekend in September this year, where people will be-... plunging into astrology with the idea that there are ways that anyone can use astrology for better health, for knowledge, self-knowledge, and, uh, to take also a look at what the global situation is, and as you say, what can we do so that you don't wake up in the morning thinking, "Oh my God, I can't make it."

[24:50] Speaker 2: Yeah, (laughs) I've had it. I don't wanna listen to it anymore.

[24:52] Speaker 3: So it's called Promoting ho- uh, Promoting Hope-

[24:55] Speaker 2: Okay.

[24:55] Speaker 3: ... Through Astrology in Times of Personal and Global Chaos.

[25:00] Speaker 2: So how do they find out more about it?

[25:02] Speaker 3: Um, they can go to my Substack. They can go to my Facebook, which is Constance Stellas on Facebook. Um, and, uh, what else? Um, I will be ... Oh, I will be posting on Instagram about the, about the workshop, so you can jo- join that as well.

[25:20] Speaker 2: Fantastic. As always, Constance, it's a pleasure talking with you, and I know we're gonna be doing it again.

[25:26] Speaker 3: Okay, Mary Jane. That's fine with me.

[25:28] Speaker 2: And you-

[25:29] Speaker 3: Be well.

[25:29] Speaker 2: You too. Take good care of yourself, okay?

[25:32] Speaker 3: Uh, yep. You too. Bye.

[25:34] Speaker 2: Okay. Coming up, we got the astrology. Now we're gonna find out the psychic in maybe not only what's happening now, but maybe the word miracles. I, I wanna get a definition of what miracles are all about. So let's see if we can find out on Pop Talk.

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[33:10] Speaker 2: She's a dream analyst. She's a medium. And to top it all off, she's a psychic in the top 100 in America. From healer to intuitive counselor, Joyce Keller has done it all. From Coast to Coast with George Noory to Oprah, and I can mention a ton of other celebrities that she's been on shows and, and knows them personally. She counsels worldwide to help everyone navigate life, and it's getting pretty confusing out there. Oh, and I should add, she's authored some 10 plus books, including The Joy of Miracles. Hi, Joyce. How are you?

[33:51] Speaker 11: Hi, Mary Jane. Did you notice how I got my name into the title of the book, Joy?

[33:56] Speaker 2: Yes. (laughs)

[33:56] Speaker 11: Those who love me. (laughs)

[33:58] Speaker 2: (laughs) I would not have-

[34:00] Speaker 11: Thank you.

[34:00] Speaker 2: ... I would not have expected any less. (laughs) You know.

[34:04] Speaker 11: Well, thank you, thank you. And you know what, Mary Jane? Thank you for that great intro. I appreciate it. And I was reading... Look, I'm not gonna talk about you, but even though I want to.

[34:12] Speaker 2: That's okay.

[34:12] Speaker 11: I was reading Marilyn, Joe, and Me.

[34:15] Speaker 2: Uh-huh.

[34:15] Speaker 11: And I see your pictures on the cover, and I didn't know that was you with the little tiny short bangs. What were you-

[34:21] Speaker 2: No, no.

[34:22] Speaker 11: What were you thinking?

[34:22] Speaker 2: No, that's not me.

[34:23] Speaker 11: Oh.

[34:23] Speaker 2: That's not me.

[34:23] Speaker 11: No?

[34:23] Speaker 2: That's June DiMaggio.

[34:26] Speaker 11: No, I'm the Joe. That's June?

[34:28] Speaker 2: That's June. That's June DiMaggio.

[34:30] Speaker 11: Oh, good. I was so afraid it was you because those bangs are really short.

[34:33] Speaker 2: No. (laughs) No.

[34:35] Speaker 11: (laughs) But you're on the back cover.

[34:36] Speaker 2: No. That was June DiMaggio, the, the niece of Joe DiMaggio, and the stories in the book are from her life and knowing Marilyn Monroe and Joe DiMaggio. It's called Marilyn, Joe, and Me. Yeah, and the me is June DiMaggio. No, that's June, that's not me. (laughs) Look on the back.

[34:53] Speaker 11: Is it-

[34:53] Speaker 2: Look on the back. That's mine.

[34:53] Speaker 11: Yeah, but there's a fabulous picture of you in the back, um, right on the back cover with your co-author, and you look really terrific. So I just wanted to say that. It's a wonderful book. People absolutely have to read this.

[35:04] Speaker 2: Well, thank you.

[35:05] Speaker 11: And-

[35:05] Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Sure.

[35:06] Speaker 11: ... I'm honored to have it, so thank you.

[35:08] Speaker 2: Oh.

[35:08] Speaker 11: Thank you for having me on.

[35:09] Speaker 2: My pleasure.

[35:09] Speaker 11: I appreciate it.

[35:10] Speaker 2: Okay, sweetie pie. What... Define the word miracle.

[35:15] Speaker 11: That's so funny because, you know, you think back to the time, like days gone by, the sun came up in the morning, people said, "It's a miracle!"

[35:25] Speaker 2: Yeah. (laughs)

[35:25] Speaker 11: No. (laughs)

[35:28] Speaker 2: It's... Okay. (laughs)

[35:28] Speaker 11: Just things we don't understand, you know, like 100 years from now, they'll say, "Why did Joyce write that book about miracles? It's so stupid," because now we understand the whole thing. So, uh, I wrote this book because these are things that actually happened to me. I finally had the opportunity of writing a book about me. I wrote 11 books before this that were about universal teachings. But with this book I said, "I've had enough of that.

[35:55] Speaker 11: I'm write- I'm gonna write about some of the crazy things that have happened to me-"

[35:58] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[35:59] Speaker 11: "... and some of the miracles that I've experienced."

[36:01] Speaker 2: Okay.

[36:01] Speaker 11: So that's what this book is about.

[36:03] Speaker 2: Okay. Well, give me a couple examples.

[36:06] Speaker 11: Oh, wow. Um, well, I mean, we have the obvious ones, like one time... Uh, usually when the light turns green, we all just go.

[36:16] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[36:17] Speaker 11: And I certainly was one of those people because I'm a Gemini and I'm always in a hurry and I'm always rushing. But, um, this one particular time, I, I put my foot on the gas and I very clearly heard a voice say, "No, don't go."

[36:32] Speaker 2: Hmm.

[36:32] Speaker 11: And so I just did not go, even though light was green, and, and people were honking behind me. But a great big Hess gas... I, I couldn't think of the name Hess for a second. Great big green Hess gas truck-

[36:45] Speaker 2: Oh.

[36:45] Speaker 11: ... came barreling through the red light.

[36:47] Speaker 2: Oh.

[36:48] Speaker 11: And I, I would've been like a blob on the street. (laughs) You know? Like-

[36:51] Speaker 2: Oh. Mm-hmm.

[36:51] Speaker 11: ... what, what was that? So that was one of the miracles I experienced in my life. And-If, if I can just tell you another one-

[37:00] Speaker 2: Yeah, please.

[37:00] Speaker 11: ... I don't know if it's a miracle or just strange experiences that we all have. I was living with my parents and I was about 16, and it was a very, very cold night. And, uh, along around 3:00 o'clock in the morning, one of my angels came to me and tapped me on the shoulder and said, "You have to get up now." And I said, "No, I don't think so," because it's very cold out and I don't... I'm toasty and warm in bed, and it's 3:00 o'clock in the morning. And they said a little bit louder, "You have to get up now, and you have to stand up." They were so insistent, I couldn't go back to sleep. So, I stood up and I said, "Okay, what is it? What, what am I supposed to do?" And they said, "You have to go down to the basement." Now, the basement was a place I never went to.

[37:47] Speaker 11: (laughs)

[37:47] Speaker 2: Really?

[37:48] Speaker 11: And I did not like to go down the basement, because it was dark and basementy. So they said, "No, no, put on your slippers and go down to the basement." I said, "I can't believe you're making me do this." So, I very reluctantly... When angels speak very loudly to you, you have to listen, Mary J.

[38:06] Speaker 2: They need attention, yeah. (laughs)

[38:08] Speaker 11: So, okay. So there I was, 3:00 o'clock in the morning, I turn on the basement light, I go down the stairs very reluctantly and they said, "Okay, keep walking, keep walking. Walk over to the oil burner." And I said, "Oh, boy. Okay." And they said, "What do you see?" I said, "I see an oil burner," and one of my clothes on. (laughs) I had one eye open.

[38:27] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[38:27] Speaker 11: And they said, "Okay, look at the pipe over the oil burner. What do you see?" This is all intuitive in my head.

[38:34] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[38:34] Speaker 11: It was just telepathic, you don't actually hear the words in my case. And they said, "What do you see over the oil burner on a, on a pipe hanging over the oil burner?" (laughs) I said, "It's a filthy, oily rag." And they said, "Do you see that it's starting to smoke and smolder?"

[38:49] Speaker 2: Oh.

[38:51] Speaker 11: And I said, "Yes, I do." And they said, "Take..." They said, "Take the rag and cr-... gently take it off the pipe." You know, we had received an oil delivery earlier in the, in the day and the oil burner man left his oily rag over the pipe and it was starting to-

[39:07] Speaker 2: Oh, my.

[39:07] Speaker 11: ... combust. So I took the rag very gingerly and it was hot and smoky, and by that time, my dad was up and he was at the top of the stairs, and he said, "What are you doing in the basement?" And I said, "Dad, look at this." And he said, "Wow, it's a smoky, oily rag. Let's take it outside." So, he... I said, "Okay, I think I can rinse my hands off and go back to sleep now." (laughs)

[39:34] Speaker 2: Yeah. (laughs)

[39:35] Speaker 11: So, (laughs) you know. Or, um, my father said, "Well, how did you know that?" And I said, "I'll tell you tomorrow," but I never told him. And, um, I had so many experiences like that, that we all do, if you stop and think about it.

[39:49] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[39:49] Speaker 11: So that's-

[39:49] Speaker 2: I got... I have to share one with you, 'cause I... the... this actually was quite a few years ago. But I was headed from the station, uh, which is located actually in Auburn, California, down back to Sacramento. And I, I was driving in the fast lane, (laughs) which I usually do. Um, and all of a sudden, I felt a little bit of a vibration in, in the, uh, steering wheel. And I thought, "Oh, you know, I probably hit a rock or a divot in the road or something." And all of a sudden, like you said, it... it wasn't a voice, but it was something I heard in my head.

[40:30] Speaker 2: And it said, "You know, you should move over and get over into the slow lane." And I thought, "Why would I wanna do that?" And then I-

[40:41] Speaker 11: (laughs)

[40:41] Speaker 2: ... then I thought, "Well, maybe I'll do that," 'cause I felt another little jolt, just a little jolt. So I moved over to the middle lane, then I moved over to the s- slow lane. And I swear, I just barely got into the slow lane when all of a sudden, I felt a jolt like you would not believe, and I pulled off the road. And as I pulled off the road to the side, my right side f-... it was the front wheel, yeah, it was the front wheel went flying past me.

[41:15] Speaker 11: Oh, no. (laughs)

[41:16] Speaker 2: The wheel... The whole wheel had come off.

[41:19] Speaker 11: (laughs) Oh, my God. (laughs)

[41:20] Speaker 2: And it was rolling, you know, o- on the side of the road in front of my car, (laughs) you know, and I'm going, "Oh, my God." I would have had a terrible accident, and who knows how many people I would have taken with me, 'cause I was on a, on a big highway at the time. So-

[41:37] Speaker 11: I mean, it's... The question is, why are we always warned why there are accidents? They're probably supposed to happen. Well, there's a good reason for it.

[41:45] Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, this one, my an-... I, I kept s-... the only thing I said was after I, you know, my... I brought the car to a stop, um, and I just said, "Thank you, my angels, for saving my life," you know?

[41:57] Speaker 11: Yeah, they're so good. They're so good to us.

[41:59] Speaker 2: Yes.

[41:59] Speaker 11: Not always. If there's a lesson, they're not that good-

[42:02] Speaker 2: Oh, really?

[42:03] Speaker 11: ... you know, they... (laughs)

[42:04] Speaker 2: Did you... Oh, really?

[42:06] Speaker 11: Well, sometimes we're supposed to go through some rough experiences, but they s-... they do their best to work with us and to try to temper it as much as possible.

[42:14] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[42:15] Speaker 11: I wanted to share another experience with you-

[42:17] Speaker 2: Okay.

[42:17] Speaker 11: ... about miracles. And this one is not... I forgot to write about this one in my book, but I'll share it anyway, if that's okay.

[42:23] Speaker 2: Yes.

[42:24] Speaker 11: Thank you. I, um... Earlier on in my career, I, I guess I was on with Oprah and all of that, I decided that I was gonna make the best of it and hire a publicity agent. And these people are no longer called publicity agents. Now they're called marketing people, I believe.

[42:40] Speaker 2: Yeah, marketing or public relations or something like that.

[42:43] Speaker 11: Right, okay.

[42:43] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[42:44] Speaker 11: So I, I went to... At that time... I don't know if you all remember Ruth Westheimer. She's, uh-

[42:49] Speaker 2: Oh, oh, yeah. Dr. Ruth. (laughs)

[42:51] Speaker 11: Yeah. I said, "She's doing so great, I'll, I'll hire her publicist." So I went into, uh, Manhattan. I went into the office and I said, "I'd like to hire you for publicity. I'd like you to take my name and, you know, get it out there."... and they said, "Okay, you can have an agent," whose name was Muriel. And I said, "Fine." They said, "She's, she's the best." And I said, "Fine, okay." They said, "We'll send you a contract." And I said, "Wonderful, wonderful." So I went home, and that night, I had a dream, and my guides came to me, and they showed me in a dream that I should not sign on, not only with Muriel, but not with any PR agent. They did not want me to have a PR agent ever.

[43:33] Speaker 11: (laughs)

[43:33] Speaker 2: Oh.

[43:33] Speaker 11: So I've never had one, by the way. But they said, um, "We'll show you why you cannot sign on with Muriel," who, by the way, when I met her, looked very, very healthy and well.

[43:43] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[43:44] Speaker 11: They showed me Muriel covered with maggots and dead.

[43:48] Speaker 2: Oh, dear.

[43:49] Speaker 11: They said, "She's going to pass away very s- very soon, so you cannot, you cannot sign on with her or with anybody, 'cause we, we, we don't want you to have PR." (laughs)

[43:58] Speaker 2: Oh.

[43:58] Speaker 11: They never explained why. (laughs) But in any case, uh, the next day, I received the contract, and I remembered the dream about not to sign the contract, and then so I held off, and two days later, I received a call from the agency that said, "We have some bad news for you."

[44:21] Speaker 2: Oh, no.

[44:22] Speaker 11: "Muriel is the only agent we had available to represent you, but she's in the hospital." I said, "Hospital? What's wrong?" And they said she had pancreatic cancer.

[44:33] Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

[44:34] Speaker 11: She passed away within one month.

[44:37] Speaker 2: Ugh.

[44:37] Speaker 11: 'Cause at that time, there were, there were not the cures they have now, not... They didn't have the h- the help at that time. This was, like, in the '90s. I don't even remember when it was.

[44:45] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[44:46] Speaker 11: But the, the reason I'm sharing this is that we need to pay attention, and if our guides come to us and you say, if you're in the, in the light of God or you ask for a blessing, say, "I really would like this to be the truth, and I'd like to understand what the message really is." And so that was my experience with PR. I never signed- (laughs)

[45:07] Speaker 2: Oh.

[45:07] Speaker 11: That's why nobody knows who I am. (laughs)

[45:09] Speaker 2: No, no, no, of course not.

[45:10] Speaker 11: I never had PR. I just continued to work and work and work, and, um, enjoy being in the media, but not really rising to great heights. And I, I guess it wasn't my destiny to do so, but that's fine, and I appreciate being on your show. (laughs)

[45:26] Speaker 2: Oh.

[45:27] Speaker 11: I love being on your show, Mary Jane. Thank you.

[45:29] Speaker 2: I love having you. It's, it's great fun, and I don't... Uh, you know, but I've, I've started out a lot of people on my shows over the years, and, um, a couple of people come back and say, "Oh, thank you so get- for getting us started." I say, "Well, if you didn't have the talent, I wouldn't have got you started," (laughs) you know?

[45:45] Speaker 11: (laughs)

[45:46] Speaker 2: Um, but when you have ability or talent or a message, uh, I think that's why I was put here, uh, to share information with people, so they can make better decisions.

[45:58] Speaker 11: Absolutely. You know, one time, uh, you know, I don't want to drop names, but I have to-

[46:03] Speaker 2: Okay.

[46:03] Speaker 11: ... because you and I are in showbiz. (laughs)

[46:05] Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah. Oh yeah.

[46:07] Speaker 11: When Cher, the actress, singer, Cher came out with a new perfume line, she had a huge party in Manhattan to launch her perfume.

[46:17] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[46:17] Speaker 11: And she had midgets on little tricycles.

[46:21] Speaker 2: Oh.

[46:22] Speaker 11: She had, um, naked trapeze artists in champagne glasses, and she really went all out, and fountains of champagne. It was fabulous. And then she hired me (laughs) to be dressed as a gypsy and sit on the sidelines-

[46:35] Speaker 2: Oh, gee. (laughs)

[46:37] Speaker 11: ... and doing readings from, uh, doing readings for the celebrities.

[46:39] Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

[46:40] Speaker 11: Right? So she, she paid me a lot of money, so of course I said yes. (laughs)

[46:44] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[46:45] Speaker 11: So, so, so there I was, sitting on the side, doing all these little mini-readings at a little round table with a candle, and, like, she gave me a crystal ball, which of course I would never use.

[46:54] Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

[46:55] Speaker 11: And she said, "Oh, we have to go all out." Okay, so I did a lot of readings, and at a certain point, Christopher Reeve, my one and only Superman, came over to me, and she had so many wonderful people there, so many celebrities. And Christopher came over to me, and he was so gorgeous and had these beautiful blue eyes-

[47:15] Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

[47:15] Speaker 11: ... and he was so healthy and strong. He came over to me and he said, "Can you please give me a reading?" And of course I was sitting with some person who may- nobody ever heard of, and I said, "Please come back in two minutes in, you know..." He came back three times, and each time he came back, I was not able to read him because I had someone else at the table with me.

[47:35] Speaker 2: Oh.

[47:37] Speaker 11: So finally, he didn't come back anymore, and the day ended, and I went home, and I was so distressed. And my husband, who is much wiser than I am, (laughs) said to me, "What's wrong?" And I said, "Jack, Christopher Reeve, he... I love him. He came over to me three times." And Jack said, "I love him, too." "He came over to me three times, and I couldn't read him." And then Jack said, "Well, maybe it's because you weren't supposed to."

[48:03] Speaker 2: Ah.

[48:04] Speaker 11: "What? Really?" (laughs)

[48:06] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[48:07] Speaker 11: So a few months after that, as we all know, Christopher had that terrible, terrible accident where he was thrown off the horse, and-

[48:14] Speaker 2: Yes.

[48:14] Speaker 11: ... he was never the same after that. He was always in a wheelchair, and then he passed away. But to this day, I always thought to myself, "What if he had actually sat with me and I had to do a reading for him?"

[48:26] Speaker 2: Would you have been able-

[48:27] Speaker 11: My guides-

[48:27] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[48:29] Speaker 11: Yeah. That would've been very challenging for me, and I would've had to... I, I... To this day, I really don't know how I would've handled it. I probably would have... Uh, you can't interfere with a person's destiny.

[48:41] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[48:42] Speaker 11: You can't say, "Well, don't go near horses," because m- he loved horses.

[48:46] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[48:47] Speaker 11: So I know, you know, that would be the wrong thing. But Mary Jane, what do you think about that? I mean, how, what's the correct answer to that? You have any idea?

[48:54] Speaker 2: You mean what you should've told him?

[48:57] Speaker 11: L- yeah.

[48:57] Speaker 2: Oh. Okay.

[48:57] Speaker 11: If I had actually had the opportunity of, of reading him, what would I have done? What should I have done?

[49:04] Speaker 2: Well, it depends on-What comes up in your own mind and your own heart. Um, uh, most people that I've, uh, talked to on the air that are psychics or, you know, mediums and all that, uh, they never want to say anything bad happening to a... really bad, like you're gonna die tomorrow or something-

[49:25] Speaker 11: Right.

[49:25] Speaker 2: ... you know. Um, but maybe just giving them a little bit of hope would have been fine. If you saw a terrible thing happening to the person, no, you can't give them a warning because... Yeah, I always look at it this way. There's a big old calendar in the sky and there's a number on it, and when your number comes up, that's it. I don't care where you are, who you are, or what you're doing. It's your time. So, maybe you can mis- make it a little easier for them by saying, "You know, things are fine. You're gonna be, you know, in a good place." You know? And tell them it's a good place, 'cause it is a good place. When we pass over, thank heavens we have something to go to, because this ain't something I wanna be in, in too long.

[50:13] Speaker 11: (laughs)

[50:14] Speaker 2: Uh-

[50:14] Speaker 11: I know.

[50:14] Speaker 2: ... but, you know, y- you're gonna, you're gonna be in a good place. You know? It... So you make it positive even though you know eventually... But eventually we all go. Eventually we all have tragedy in our life. Uh, we can't run from it. You know what I mean? Uh, and all you can do-

[50:32] Speaker 11: Well, I- I-

[50:32] Speaker 2: ... is maybe make it a little more comfortable, a little more palatable, um, so that it doesn't hurt so much.

[50:42] Speaker 11: Yeah. I mean, that's, that's a brilliant answer. Uh, I, I just have a real problem with, um-

[50:50] Speaker 2: When you see bad things?

[50:51] Speaker 11: Yes. (laughs) How it has to be, uh, tweaked to become positive, but we don't-

[50:56] Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you a question. When you see bad things, do you feel that you can tell them how to, um, overcome it or do-

[51:08] Speaker 11: See, I-

[51:08] Speaker 2: ... get around it?

[51:09] Speaker 11: That's a very g-... That's a very good question. That's where psychics go wrong. We'll have to write my next book, Where Psychics Go Wrong. Okay. Um, I would say I would have to listen. At that point, I would really have to channel the answer because it's above and beyond what I would be able to deal with. If I saw a tragedy like what I saw with Superman-

[51:28] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[51:28] Speaker 11: ... you know, with Christopher, I would have, um, depended even more so on my guides. Usually, I, I override what I'm hearing intuitively and I use my own intuition, which is not brilliant, but, you know, I get by. Um, I would say listen closely to your highest mind, which is really the God connection-

[51:48] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[51:48] Speaker 11: ... and handle it that way. Uh, listen to what you're being told and...

[51:52] Speaker 2: And, and just think of what you could have said to him because of what you know what was coming, that he would be able to, in his... and not, not s- specifically, "You're gonna fall, you're gonna be paralyzed," and all that. But, "Hey, something that you... is coming in your life that you'll be able to reach out to others to have a better life." And he did.

[52:16] Speaker 11: Oh, absolutely.

[52:17] Speaker 2: And he did.

[52:17] Speaker 11: No, really, that's very... And that's... You should really be in the business. Oh, you are?

[52:21] Speaker 2: Oh, no.

[52:21] Speaker 11: (laughs) You're in the business of giving hope. I think what psychics are supposed to do is give hope-

[52:28] Speaker 2: Yes.

[52:28] Speaker 11: ... when there isn't any.

[52:29] Speaker 2: Yep.

[52:30] Speaker 11: And right now, the planet is so wobbly and people are just so distraught-

[52:34] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.

[52:34] Speaker 11: ... and so worried, uh, about our economy, about poli-... You know, t- turn it all off.

[52:41] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[52:41] Speaker 11: Just go into a quiet place and say, "God is good." And that's the whole meditation. You don't have to do a whole big thing. And just be at peace with yourself. Try to go outside, get some sunshine, drink water, put your feet in the grass. That's, that's my whole philosophy. That's, that's it. You know?

[53:02] Speaker 2: That's good.

[53:02] Speaker 11: Go shopping. Do whatever it takes to make you feel better.

[53:05] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[53:06] Speaker 11: And, uh, most of all, laugh. You have to laugh and enjoy your life.

[53:10] Speaker 2: Oh, boy.

[53:11] Speaker 11: You... I wanna... (laughs)

[53:12] Speaker 2: Yes.

[53:13] Speaker 11: One of the things I love most of all about you, Mary Jane, is that you're always funny. You and I have a lot of laughs together.

[53:19] Speaker 2: Yes. And, and-

[53:20] Speaker 11: And I-

[53:20] Speaker 2: ... we need more of that because there is a... And I mentioned this, uh, earlier, uh, in the show, that there was a time... 'Cause I've been doing this for a long time. I'm talking five decades. And early on, I felt very comfortable sharing what I felt, what I see, uh, whether I agreed with it or not. And today, and I don't mean today like this specific day, but this time, uh, I don't feel comfortable doing too much of that anymore. And that bothers me. Uh, it's almost like I second guess myself before I say something, and I don't like that.

[54:03] Speaker 2: But-

[54:03] Speaker 11: That's because you, you're wise. You're becoming much w... You and I are becoming very wise (laughs) just by picking up the wisdom of experience.

[54:12] Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And-

[54:14] Speaker 11: And we-

[54:14] Speaker 2: But it bothers me a lot because... It's not that... You know, I still say what I feel for the most part, but I kind of, um, I don't know how to say it. Um, I put a little bit of thought before I say it. (laughs)

[54:31] Speaker 11: (laughs)

[54:31] Speaker 2: Like, what are the consequences? What are the repercussions? All these kinds of things. And that didn't used to be. Now, maybe it's 'cause I'm getting old. I have no idea. (laughs) Uh, but I don't think so because I still speak out in what I think and what I believe if I'm asked. I don't beat people up with my thoughts and my ideas. Um, I try and give them as many possibilities as there are, uh, so that they can make the right decision for their life.

[54:59] Speaker 2: But if people-

[54:59] Speaker 11: Yeah.

[54:59] Speaker 2: ... ask me my opinion, I have no problem sharing it (laughs) if you know what I mean.

[55:05] Speaker 11: (laughs) Exactly. That's brilliant. You know, right now on the planet-... there really is such terrifying prophecies given about World War III and all that, and what I would say to that is, if mankind was actually in control, we'd be dead by now.

[55:24] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[55:24] Speaker 11: I don't believe that we are, and I don't believe there's gonna be World War III. I think there will be interference. I think there's a lot of... there are obviously so many bad things happening. But I also believe that ascended masters and God really do control. Many, many missiles have been shot off that never landed anywhere. (laughs)

[55:43] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

[55:44] Speaker 11: They, they were dissolved or... You know, we have nothing to worry about. Uh, uh, if you go just above and beyond the, the morass of what's happening, the, the noise, you'll be fine. So what you said before is very profound and clever. I, I appreciate hearing that.

[56:01] Speaker 2: Well, it... What good does it do to tell a person, "Well, you better get yourself in order because you're gonna be dead in 10 days." I mean-

[56:10] Speaker 11: (laughs) Oh my goodness.

[56:11] Speaker 2: What good does that do?

[56:12] Speaker 11: You're probably wrong. (laughs)

[56:13] Speaker 2: You know, but that, the thing is, what good does that do? Does it solve-

[56:18] Speaker 11: Well-

[56:18] Speaker 2: ... that they're gonna live again? Probably not. But at least let them have those 10 days and be happy, (laughs) you know?

[56:26] Speaker 11: Do you, do you have another moment for me to tell you about the white poodle or not?

[56:30] Speaker 2: Uh, yeah. I only... About three minutes. Can you do it in two?

[56:32] Speaker 11: Okay. I can... I can-

[56:33] Speaker 2: Okay.

[56:33] Speaker 11: ... try to get it under three minutes. One thing I don't like doing is, is going out to meet neighbors or going out in the street. (laughs) I don't do that.

[56:41] Speaker 2: Okay.

[56:41] Speaker 11: Like, I'm not friendly. Okay. So we were living in a h- house on the street, and I didn't go out. And then one day, my guides told me, "Joyce, you have to go outside and stand on the street." And I said, "No, I don't wanna do that." And they said, "You have to go outside and, and you have to stand on the street." And I said, "My neighbors will come over and talk to me." (laughs)

[57:00] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[57:01] Speaker 11: It's not that I'm not friendly, it's just that I was doing something else.

[57:04] Speaker 2: Yeah.

[57:04] Speaker 11: They said, "Stop what you're doing and go outside." (laughs) I said, "Okay." All right, so I went outside, I'm standing on the street and nothing is going on. To my left, all of a sudden, I see a great big Cadillac barreling down the street. I don't know if people still buy Cadillacs, but there was a Cadillac coming down from my left. And I said, "Oh, that's interesting." He was really coming fast. And then to my right, diagonally across the street, I see a small white poodle who decides to break out of his yard and go into the street.

[57:32] Speaker 2: Oh, my.

[57:32] Speaker 11: And I said, "This is, this is not going to be good." Well, obviously the little white poodle was run over by the great big white Cadillac.

[57:40] Speaker 2: Oh, no.

[57:41] Speaker 11: And, uh, he was dead on the street, and people came over and were crying, and the kids came over, they put a blanket on him. He was really dead. His eyes were out of his head.

[57:50] Speaker 2: Oh.

[57:50] Speaker 11: He was gone. And then my guides said to me, "Joyce, go over to the dog with the blanket on him and put your hands on the blanket, and he'll come back to life." I said, "Oh, please don't make me do that." And they said, "Go ahead, go do that." So all the kids were all standing around crying and carrying on. And I bend down, put my hands on the poodle for about a minute, and the poodle jumps up. And I said, "Oh God." (laughs)

[58:15] Speaker 2: Oh, no.

[58:15] Speaker 11: So my neighbors all said, "She's a witch."

[58:18] Speaker 2: (laughs)

[58:18] Speaker 11: "I'm not a witch. What's wrong with you?" And the dog ran off. The guy with the Cadillac ran away and, uh, everybody was gone like in two seconds.

[58:26] Speaker 2: Oh, for heaven's sake.

[58:26] Speaker 11: And I said, "What the heck?"

[58:28] Speaker 2: Yeah. (laughs)

[58:28] Speaker 11: And that's my little story. (laughs) And I'm done. (laughs)

[58:30] Speaker 2: I... Well, thank you for sharing it. That is wild. That is so wild. I knew there was something about you.

[58:36] Speaker 11: My whole life has been wild.

[58:36] Speaker 2: (laughs) Uh, Joyce, let people know how they can get ahold of you, 'cause we only have about a minute left here.

[58:42] Speaker 11: It's just my name. It's just joycekeller.com. And by the way, I put in your name today into AI. It was so impressive. I cannot believe what you've accomplished and what I have accomplished. (laughs)

[58:53] Speaker 2: You, what...

[58:54] Speaker 11: Y- Y- It's amazing. But if you go to my website, it has everything in there. It's Joyce Keller, with an R, not Kelly. It's Keller, with an R, dot com.

[59:02] Speaker 2: K- K- Yeah, K-E-L-L-E-R. Thank you as always. It's been a pleasure. I love talking with you. I love talking with you on the air and off the air. (laughs) It's just fun.

[59:11] Speaker 11: On yours, my darling. I love you. (laughs)

[59:13] Speaker 2: Oh-

[59:13] Speaker 11: Thank you, Mary Jane.

[59:14] Speaker 2: Right back at you. And you take good care now, okay?

[59:17] Speaker 11: Thank you. Thank you, darling. And thank you to our audience. God bless us. Bye-bye.

[59:20] Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. You bet. Stay where you are. Don't go away. In the meantime, live simply, laugh often, love deeply. And above all else, dare to dream and live the best life that you can right now, this moment. (uplifting music)