Speaker Identification
Speaker 1 - Charm, Host
Speaker 2 - Justice, Guest
Speaker 3 - Song / Music Segment

Speaker 3 - Song / Music Segment:
You remember her?
There was a time she stood so tall,
A shining light above her song.
Now we rise.
Yeah, we stand again.
Bring her back to life.
Let her spirit rise again.
Look at your arms.
Hear the call.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
Wow, that song gets me going every time.

Welcome, everybody, to another Luk-E Charm Show. I am your host, Charm, and I just want to thank everyone so much for listening today. I am so absolutely blessed to be in everybody's presence.

Welcome to Ascension on steroids.

My debt of gratitude to those who have guided and encouraged me to do this show will always be immense. A couple of shows ago, I was speaking with my friend Mary, who is actually a schoolteacher. I told her I wasn't prepared. I had not made any preparations for the show or anything like that. She kind of put me on the spot and said, "Why didn't you prepare?"

I said, "I don't know. It just comes out real and authentic when I don't. I don't want to sound like I am reading off a script."

But truth be told, I am prepared. I have actually been preparing for this my whole life. So here we are.

I do have a very, very special guest with me here today. I'll do some housekeeping before I introduce her.

Real quick, the purpose of this show is to empower and acknowledge you, the people. This is for you. This is not the Charm Show. I am just a conduit for you, and I want to hear from all ranges of people. As we go on, you will understand better what I am trying to do here. My goal is to get a minimum of a billion listeners.

I was talking to someone the other day about soccer. I am not a big fan of watching sports. I am more of a "go play, don't be the observer" kind of person. But I asked him, "What is it you like about soccer? What is exciting?"

He said, "This is the one time in four years that the whole world comes together. It's just exciting. You're not thinking about anything else. Everyone is focused on the same thing, win or lose."

I thought, wow. Then he said he was kind of sad that the World Cup was going to be over. I thought, isn't that interesting? So it is not about winning and losing. Every four years, people actually feel connected. We are not at war with each other. This is kind of what I want to create here. I would like this to go global, of course, with the help of the amazing BBS Radio. I cannot thank Don and Doug Newsom enough for their leadership, and I know that with their help, we will be able to do this.

Without any further ado, I would like to share a really short, quick poem. I am not sure who this is by because I could not find the name, so we will just say anonymous. It is called Rise Again.

Because strength is not loud. It does not ask for applause.
It lives in the quiet moments when no one is watching.
The breath you take instead of giving up.
The choice to rise instead of surrendering.
The whisper of hope that refuses to die.

You are not shaped by the moments that broke you.
You are shaped by the courage that rebuilt you.
Every rise adds to your story.
Every comeback adds to your crown.
And every step forward is proof that you are becoming something stronger than anything that ever tried you.

I hope that resonates with you.

Without any further ado, I would like to introduce my next guest. Her name is Justice. I recently met her, but I feel like I have known her for a very long time because we connected immediately. She is an absolutely beautiful person inside and out.

I have really been wanting to bring on the younger generation to talk to us. I am tired of us saying what we want, what our complaints are, and whatever it may be. I just want to hear from the younger generation how they see their world, what they are going through, and what they are dealing with, because they are our future.

Justice, hi.

Speaker 2 - Justice:
Hi. How are you?

Speaker 1 - Charm:
Great, thank you. Thank you for accepting my invitation.

Speaker 2 - Justice:
Of course.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
Did you ever think you would be on a radio show?

Speaker 2 - Justice:
No. Never, ever.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
Go ahead.

Speaker 2 - Justice:
I thought it would be something cool to add to my resume of things that I have done. So here we are.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
Right? Tell me, when would you say your journey began? I know there is a date that we are born, and then there is that time when your journey actually begins, which I call a spiritual journey, or whatever you might call it. When would you say that started for you?

Speaker 2 - Justice:
I would have to say that it started a few years ago, around 2022. I experienced a lot of heartbreak and things like that, and it kind of pushed me to want to better myself and never feel like I was at the lowest of lows again.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
That is really, really interesting. Did it feel like it was coming at you from every angle?

Speaker 2 - Justice:
Oh yeah, definitely. I lost my mom that year. I lost my relationship. I lost a bunch of friends. It was a whole year of nothing but loss. I just had to get up and build myself back up, make new friends, and find a new job.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
Wow. I didn't know that. Just for the audience, I am not going to give them your exact age, but you are in your twenties. You are young enough to be my daughter, which I have adopted you as. You are now my daughter. I don't know if you know that.

Speaker 2 - Justice:
And your best friend, of course.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
Exactly. Because she is like family now, whether she likes it or not.

So all these things happened. Did you have a mentor? Did you have someone guiding you? How did you crawl out of the mud, if you will?

Speaker 2 - Justice:
Honestly, it was my dad. He was my rock in all of this. He made me move back into the house with him. He was like, "You know what? You're going to live down here. You're going to find a job." And that is what I did.

I was working at a warehouse job. I worked a lot of jobs. I was trying to get into healthcare, going to all these interviews and not getting a single one. Then finally I landed one, going into healthcare.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
Nice. So you had support.

Speaker 2 - Justice:
Yeah. I had my dad.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
That is awesome. How would you describe him? What kind of support did he give you?

Speaker 2 - Justice:
He was just the safe space that I needed.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
Safe. That is the key word, isn't it?

Speaker 2 - Justice:
Yes.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
Not many of us have that.

Speaker 2 - Justice:
No, no. I am super blessed and happy to have him in my life still.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
That is beautiful. That is absolutely beautiful.

The reason I am asking this is because I come across quite a few people who feel stuck. I don't know if you have experienced people like that, but they want X, Y, and Z, and they have all these excuses and reasons why they won't do it. They kind of settle.

You came across as someone who was like, "I am not settling. I am not giving up. I am not doing it. Watch out. I am going to figure this thing out."

Speaker 2 - Justice:
I am still figuring it out.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
And I thought that was absolutely beautiful. Would you say you went within? How did you find yourself?

Speaker 2 - Justice:
Honestly, it was hard. In my previous relationship, it was my first real relationship. When we had gotten together, it became just about him and him only. At the end of our relationship, it was just him, and I had nobody else.

I was stuck for the longest time. I did not know what I liked to do, what I did for fun, or who I was. I kind of lost myself in that relationship. It took a bunch of therapy for me to finally be like, "You know what? Okay. I just need to start doing things."

I picked up a book that I used to love and started rereading it. I hit up my old friends and said, "Hey, do you want to hang out? Do you want to do this? We can go try this."

It is just getting up and doing it, no matter how scared you are to leave. Even me doing this interview right now - I am absolutely terrified. I am still terrified. I know I am rambling, but...

Speaker 1 - Charm:
I love that. Thank you for feeling the fear and doing it anyway.

Speaker 2 - Justice:
Sometimes you just have to take that leap. You don't know where it is going to get you or what doors it can open for you.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
Wow. Leap of faith, huh?

Speaker 2 - Justice:
Yeah.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
You took the leap of faith.

Speaker 2 - Justice:
Yeah, and here we are.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
Isn't that amazing? This is what I want people to hear, because this is not just related to relationships or heartbreak. It could be that you are at a job you hate. It could be anything, and people are afraid to make a change. What do you suppose that is?

Speaker 2 - Justice:
People are just comfortable. It is being content and settling. As long as there is a routine in place and it is paying the bills, sometimes that is all most people can ask for.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
Why do you suppose that is? I have been trying to understand human behavior my whole life. I don't understand why we keep doing things we don't want to do. Why do you live somewhere if you don't want to live there? Why do you work there if you don't really want to? Why are you doing something you don't want to do?

Speaker 2 - Justice:
I think it just comes down to fear. Say, for example, you take that leap of faith and it does not end up working out. You could lose everything, and you have to rebuild yourself from the bottom up. It is just being unsure.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
Isn't that amazing? People expect the worst. Very rarely do people say, "What if it turns out better than I thought?" They are always thinking of the worst-case scenario. It is amazing to me how quickly the brain thinks of the worst possible thing. I am part of this too. I am human too.

Were you scared?

Speaker 2 - Justice:
Yeah.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
What were you scared of?

Speaker 2 - Justice:
Just having to start over. Having to rebuild my life. Not from the bottom, because I had my family, but having to start over in a new setting, finding new people, and finding a way to feel like me and love myself. It has been a journey. It has been hard. It is not an easy thing to do.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
Because we were not taught this.

Speaker 2 - Justice:
Yeah.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
Imagine if we were taught this in kindergarten. It would be a lot easier, wouldn't it?

Speaker 2 - Justice:
Honestly, it would be.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
It is amazing how fear takes over. I come across so many religious people - not all, but some - who are very quick to preach certain verses in the Bible. Yet if you tell them to do X, Y, and Z, they won't because they are afraid. Wait a minute, you just told me not to be afraid.

They know fear is used to control.

Speaker 2 - Justice:
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
But we still fall for it.

Speaker 2 - Justice:
Yeah, we do.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
It is pretty amazing. So you met yourself. You have a relationship with yourself.

Speaker 2 - Justice:
Yeah, I do. I figured out what I like to do and who I am. Now it is just building time for me and my loved ones.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
That is so beautiful. You are helping a lot of people.

Speaker 2 - Justice:
I hope so. I hope with all my yapping that I reach somebody and they feel like they can take that leap of faith and just do it. What is the worst that can happen?

Speaker 1 - Charm:
That is true. I have tested this thing out my whole life. I kind of live on the edge. I have let fear drive me, and I get the results. Then I have let myself take the leap of faith, and I get that result. They are two completely different results.

Speaker 2 - Justice:
It is a gamble. It is fifty-fifty. You don't know what you are going to get. You can take that leap of faith and win it all, or you can take that leap of faith and lose it all.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
But I find that when you take that leap of faith and it totally comes from your inner core, no matter what happens, I don't regret it as much as I do when I function fearfully, if that makes sense.

Speaker 2 - Justice:
Yeah. I think once you figure out who you want to be, there is just no settling anymore, whether it comes to relationships, jobs, or the people you surround yourself with. I don't want the bare minimum anymore. I don't want to just keep surviving. I want to live. I want to live my life. We only get one life. For all of us, this is our first time being here on this planet. I want to live my life the way that I want to.

There is just no settling anymore. Once you know, you know.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
Yeah.

Speaker 2 - Justice:
I have bounced around from job to job, and I finally found a place where I enjoy working. I enjoy my coworkers. I enjoy what I do. I am able to go back to school and further my education now to continue my growth within this job. Now it is just about pushing myself to try harder and harder.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
That is really beautiful. At such a young age, to get this is spectacular, because I know a lot of people struggle with this. It is absolutely beautiful.

I heard somewhere that you are not healing to handle trauma, pain, anxiety, or depression. You are used to those things. You are healing to be able to handle joy and accept happiness back into your life. I think that is what you are doing.

Speaker 2 - Justice:
Yeah, that is what I am trying to do.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
You are allowing happiness into your life, and that is amazing.

Now that the audience has gotten to understand you and know where you are coming from and where you are at - you are in a good place emotionally, mentally, financially - I know we were talking about some other stuff that is weighing on everyone right now. It is not a subject I love talking about, but I feel like we are all dealing with it.

Here you are. You have done the work. You figured it out. And now you are dealing with, "I don't know if I can live here."

You love your family and you are very close to them, and this thing is showing up. Is it fair to say it is like a thorn or a splinter, like it is nagging at you?

Speaker 2 - Justice:
Definitely. I absolutely adore my family, but I do wish I could afford to live in my own place. With rent being about $2,000 for a 400-square-foot studio, I can't afford that on my own. A one-bedroom can be $2,500, and I can't afford it. I am not the only one who can't afford it. I know a lot of people who are still living with their family. Everything is getting more and more expensive. Groceries that used to cost me $50 are now costing me $80. Things that used to cost $30 cost more now. It is getting too expensive.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
It is kind of nagging.

Speaker 2 - Justice:
Yeah.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
Just for the audience listening, there is no political affiliation here on either side. I love you all. This has nothing to do with politics. I want to be clear. I am not blaming the government or anything like that. We are just talking this out, because I know a lot of people are going through this.

I cannot tell you the number of people I am seeing sleeping in their cars right now. It is wild. Expensive cars. That is why I am bringing it up.

Since COVID, we had this awakening. A lot of us found ourselves. A lot of us are emotionally in a better place. We found peace, and all that good stuff. But then here is this. What do we do?

Speaker 2 - Justice:
This is the one part of my life where I feel kind of stuck. I thought about moving out of state, but that means being away from my family and friends and having to start all over again. I am not opposed to starting all over again, but I don't want to move anywhere else. I was born and raised here in California. This is my home. This is my state.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
At such a young age, you shouldn't have to worry about that, should you?

Speaker 2 - Justice:
No, I shouldn't, but here we are. I have had a lot of people ask me why I have not bought a house yet. I look at them funny because how do you expect me to afford a house when it is half a million dollars or more? Mortgage payments can be around $5,000, and that does not include utilities, insurance, or property taxes. If I can't even afford an apartment on my own, how can I afford a house?

I am super grateful and blessed that I have my family, because if I didn't have them, I would probably end up in the streets.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
It is as if they want all of California to be homeless.

In my personal experience, I have traveled quite a bit recently. I have been to some beautiful, breathtaking places that I will keep going back to, but I always end up missing my family. Sure, you can go buy a house outside of California for a lot cheaper, but that means separating from people you care about.

Speaker 2 - Justice:
Yeah. There are a lot of people moving out of California and going to Texas because it is a bit cheaper out there.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
That is a tough thing to navigate right now.

Speaker 2 - Justice:
Oh, I can't even imagine. I cannot tell you how many people I know in this situation.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
What do you think? A lot of people, I feel, are blaming the current government. That may all be true. I have my own opinions, but I am not going to pretend I know. I have not met any of them. I have not talked to any of them. I don't know what is happening behind closed doors.

But what I do know is that at some point, someone used to tell me, "When you point a finger at someone, there are always four fingers pointing back at yourself." I feel like at some point we, the people, have some responsibility. Wouldn't you say?

For example, in a specific area, there are over 3,000 Airbnbs available and only about 20 rentals. There is a shortage because houses are being used for other things, like Airbnbs. People will complain about that and say it is Airbnb's fault that rent is going up and there is a shortage. But who is participating in that? It is the people. We are paying for it, aren't we?

Speaker 2 - Justice:
I think sometimes there are no other options. Hotels can be expensive, so people look on Airbnb and find one that is $300 cheaper, and that is what they can afford right now. Sometimes they have no other home.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
I know what you are saying. At what point do we have some responsibility? If we keep paying for these things that are actually hurting us, what happens? I am not saying you personally. I mean in general. It is just something I was thinking about. We have to take some responsibility at some point.

Speaker 2 - Justice:
I get it. Because of the Airbnbs, they could have just rented the house out and had a long-term lease. But sometimes somebody needs a short-term lease.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
And they need to make more money.

Speaker 2 - Justice:
Yeah. It is a business. There is no hate toward people who do Airbnbs. I get them wanting to build their futures and support their families.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
So what is the solution? I am not asking you to have a solution, but I would like the audience to think about it. What can we do? What are we going to do? I don't feel like we can ignore it.

Speaker 2 - Justice:
I think there just needs to be more affordable housing. There are a lot of people experiencing homelessness, people with no jobs, people addicted to drugs, and people not given the proper resources to survive and actually live their lives. Children in elementary school should not be experiencing homelessness.

You can go down to Skid Row here in downtown LA, and you will see children. You will see people of all ages, from babies to people in their eighties, on the streets. My God, it is just getting too expensive, and all of us are one bad situation away from being in their shoes.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
There are ways, like I was telling you, that I got out of it, but maybe that is not for everyone. What I do may not be for everyone. I could have easily just gone away and lived on top of a mountain somewhere and been okay, but I could not do that. I feel that if I can be of help or service to people, then I am going to show up. One day I will share my story here.

It is not okay. Something has to be done, and more people need to be upset by it.

Speaker 2 - Justice:
Right.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
That is why we are going to have a billion listeners.

People want to say, "It is because the president is doing this," or "the current administration," or "the governor," or whatever. That may all be true. I don't really look into that stuff enough to know, but if that is true, what do we do? Can we call them?

Speaker 2 - Justice:
Who do we talk to? Nobody.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
Can we call Gavin?

Speaker 2 - Justice:
There is no one really to call. You can call your local government and complain, but how far is it going to go?

Speaker 1 - Charm:
Don't you think that is a little odd? Calling our local government, but we can't get ahold of them?

Speaker 2 - Justice:
Yeah.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
These are just questions. I don't know anything. I have my own opinions, but typically when I have an issue with a company, I am able to call and try to resolve it. But with these things that are happening, I can't call anyone. Then there are people like us talking among each other. We have podcasts, YouTube channels, Facebook - everyone is complaining. What is that going to do if we keep complaining to each other?

I do believe it will all work out. These are just questions for people.

I met a gentleman a couple of weeks ago at a gas station. The people working behind the counter were not in the best mood, let's say. Then this guy walks in, and he is cheerful and laughing. I said, "Wow, you are having a good day, huh?"

He said, "Yeah, I am cool."

I asked, "What do you think about the gas prices?"

He said, "Oh, I don't care."

I said, "Really?"

He said, "Yeah, I gave up my car. I am riding a bicycle. I live close enough. I ride my bike."

He was genuinely at peace because he did not have to worry about the gas price. I said, "Well, that is one way of doing it." He said people kind of make fun of him and look down on him. I told him not to even give them the time of day.

Speaker 2 - Justice:
That is a smart thing to do, regardless of what other people think. If he is happy and content, people can say all they want, but they are the ones stuck with a $400 car payment, insurance, and gas. He is happy on his bike.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
He was so genuinely happy. Maybe that is an option for people. Maybe work closer to home.

Speaker 2 - Justice:
Sometimes that is not an option. It took me over two years to get a position close enough to my house. I was having to drive about 45 minutes away just to be able to work and earn money. I kept applying for places and getting rejected, and then finally this location was like, "Okay, you're hired." Now I am 10 minutes away from my house. But it took a really long time for me to get this.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
But you didn't quit.

Speaker 2 - Justice:
I didn't quit. I had to keep going.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
Nothing I am talking about is easy. There is no cookie-cutter answer. I am definitely not saying I have figured everything out. I am right there with everyone. But I have lessened my weight, I will tell you that. I am just throwing things out there for people to think about. It is not easy.

Speaker 2 - Justice:
No, it is not easy. It is not easy thinking outside the box. Things will come up and discourage you from continuing, but you just have to keep going.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
What keeps you going?

Speaker 2 - Justice:
This might sound a bit selfish, but me. This is my only life on Earth, and I want to make the most of it. I am going to enjoy every minute of it. I am not going to settle for bare-minimum relationships. I am not going to settle. I am going to keep pushing myself. I don't want it any other way for me.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
That is so beautiful and refreshing.

That word "selfish" is so interesting. When you tell someone, "I love myself," they get triggered and say, "Oh, you are arrogant and selfish." Do you want me to hate myself? I don't understand why it is such a taboo thing.

Speaker 2 - Justice:
Yeah, liking yourself. It is so weird.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
Thank you for recognizing that. It is beautiful. I am selfish too in the sense that the reason I want to be here is because I get joy out of talking to people. The word selfish has been made taboo in the wrong way, I believe.

What advice would you give to parents for their children? How can we help our children?

Speaker 2 - Justice:
Honestly, just be there for your kids. It is going to be hard. There are going to be times when you want to scream your head off and argue with them, but you made the active decision to bring these kids into the world. You are now responsible to love them unconditionally.

Just be patient and take it day by day, because life has a weird way of throwing curveballs that you don't know you are going to get. I am rambling, sorry. Just take it day by day. Love your kids. Tell them you love them. Talk to them. Hug them every day, because we only get one life and we have to appreciate every moment of it.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
Beautiful. I feel like that goes for your friends, your family, anybody. Just be kind.

What is next for you?

Speaker 2 - Justice:
Next for me is continuing my growth as a person, continuing my education, and saying yes to everything. You never know what you are going to get. I don't know exactly what is next for me. I am just going to see where life takes me, because there is no guarantee I am going to end up where I think I am going to end up five years from now.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
There is never a guarantee, huh?

Speaker 2 - Justice:
Never.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
Life here is pretty interesting, isn't it?

Speaker 2 - Justice:
It is. Never a dull moment, unless you play it safe.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
And then you are content.

Speaker 2 - Justice:
And there is nothing wrong with that either.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
Not at all. Thank you.

It has been such a delight. It is so refreshing, and I know the audience and everyone listening hopefully feels the same way I do, to hear from you and your words of encouragement. I know you will have touched many listening.

One thing I want to announce to everyone: if there is anybody listening who knows someone, or who themselves designs jewelry - stainless steel, silver, whatever that may be - please contact BBS and let them know to let me know. I would be so grateful. I will be waiting for that.

We are about to close out. How would you want to close? What do you want people to know before we close?

Speaker 2 - Justice:
Just take everything day by day. It is all going to work out eventually. If you don't think so, give it time. Remember, you are surrounded by people who love you and people who care. If you don't think so, just reach out. Reach out to people. You don't know where it can go and what can happen. Just remember to be kind to one another.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
That is so beautiful.

I have noticed something about you. You don't talk about the past. You don't really like going there.

Speaker 2 - Justice:
For me, there is just no point. What happened happened. It is just about living in the present for me.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
That is so beautiful. That is one of the secrets to your success. Your best life is in front of you, not behind you.

Speaker 2 - Justice:
Exactly.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
If that were not the case, we would have eyes behind our heads. We don't. We have eyes in front of our heads so we can keep looking forward.

Speaker 2 - Justice:
Exactly.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
What if it works out? What if the best is yet to come? It is a choice to believe or know. You are either telling yourself the worst is yet to come or the best is yet to come.

Speaker 2 - Justice:
Exactly, and you don't know unless you take that leap of faith.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
But you will be right in a way. I have played with this multiple times. If you say, "Something bad is going to happen," then that is what is going to happen. Expect the best, because I promise you, the best is yet to come.

Speaker 2 - Justice:
Exactly.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
Thank you so much for doing this with me and helping me.

Speaker 2 - Justice:
Of course. Thank you. Thank you for letting me join. It has been an experience. I can cross it off my bucket list now: things I have done, been on a radio show.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
That is so awesome. Would you mind if we check back with you in a little bit and see what you are doing?

Speaker 2 - Justice:
Yeah, that is fine.

Speaker 1 - Charm:
I would love that. I know I will see you again soon.

Thank you, everyone, for listening in and taking time out of your Saturday to be here with me. It means the world to me. I will see everyone again in two weeks. My love to all of you. God bless. Have a beautiful, beautiful Saturday.

Thank you, Justice.

Speaker 2 - Justice:
Of course. Thank you so much for having me. Have a beautiful day.

Speaker 3 - Song / Music Segment:
No silence, no more fear.
Her voice is stronger when we are here.
Bring her back to life.
Let her spirit rise again.
Look at your arms, light the way.
Bring her back, starting today.